Friday, January 13, 2017

Chris Kalin: Analysis Report

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5 January, 2017

Analysis: The interview of Chris Kalin conducted by Steve Croft, with narration. 

Analysis Question: 

Is the subject (Kalin) truthful in his answers?

Subsequent:
If he is deceptive: 
What content does the subject reveal in his answers?
What areas of sensitivity warrant exploration?
Does the subject reveal any specific areas of fraud and/or deception?

I.                Transcripts
II.             Transcripts with Analysis
III.           Conclusion


I.               Transcripts

Our introduction to this world of citizenship by investment came in Dubai – the gleaming, international bazaar – that was hosting the ninth annual global citizenship conference. Gathered here were government officials, lawyers, bankers, and real estate developers who facilitate and profit from the trade of citizenship for cash.
Chris Kalin: Good evening, and a very warm welcome...
This is the man who more or less invented the business: Chris Kalin, chairman of Henley and Partners, a consulting firm with offices, where else, but in Zurich, Switzerland. For a fee and healthy commissions, Kalin helps countries set up their program, rewrite their citizenship laws, and recruit people of means looking for a second, third, or fourth passport, which he sees as just another travel accessory; a passport of convenience.
Chris Kalin: You probably have more than one credit card, I would assume. And, you know, if Visa doesn’t work, Mastercard will do. So I think any wealthy person nowadays should have more than one credit card. And likewise, you’d have more than one passport.
Steve Kroft: But you need to have some money to do this?
Chris Kalin: Yes.
Steve Kroft: To be able to do this?
Chris Kalin: Yes, absolutely. It’s just for wealthy people, of course, yeah. ...
It’s provided St. Kitts and Nevis with hundreds of millions of dollars for infrastructure projects, private development, and tourism but a lot of the money is unaccounted for. More than 10,000 people have purchased citizenship here, but it’s almost impossible to tell who they are because the information is not public. Chris Kalin doesn’t like the words citizenship for cash, or any suggestion that all you need is money to get a passport.
Chris Kalin: You have to go through a process. You have to apply. And you have to answer a million questions. And you have to undergo a background verification. And you have, at least in the properly run programs, you have to be a reputable person. And that’s checked.
But evidently, not that carefully. About the only way to identify people who have purchased St. Kitts citizenship is if they happen to turn up on a list of international fugitives or get in trouble with the law, and St. Kitts and Nevis has more than its share for two sleepy, little islands. Its passport holders include a Canadian penny stock manipulator... a Russian wanted for bribery... a Kazak wanted for embezzlement... two Ukrainians suspected of bribing a U.N. official... and two Chinese women wanted for financial crimes.
Chris Kalin: I think it’s no secret that these islands have made decisions that are not always optimal.
Steve Kroft: They’ve taken some bozos, as you would call them?
Chris Kalin: Yes, exactly.
Steve Kroft: What about crooks?
Chris Kalin: Yes. It’s goes all the way down to crooks, yeah, absolutely. And it tended for some time to attract quite a few people that I would never let into the country. But I’m not the government of St. Kitts and Nevis.
Steve Kroft: But you set up their program.
Chris Kalin: We helped to set up the program. But, you know, as it is, advisers advise, ministers decide.
With vast sums of money flowing into these island nations, and more and more countries selling their citizenship, there is consensus that still more oversight and transparency is needed. But privacy and secrecy have always been a major selling point for people buying multiple passports, including Chris Kalin, the man who invented the business plan.
Steve Kroft: How many do you have?
Chris Kalin: I have multiple.
Steve Kroft: So you don’t wanna tell us how many you have?
Chris Kalin: There’s a few things in my life that, that I don’t talk openly about. And I keep for myself. But I am Swiss originally and many people think I’m very Swiss and so I’ll leave it at that.




II.              Transcripts with Analysis. 


Our introduction to this world of citizenship by investment came in Dubai – the gleaming, international bazaar – that was hosting the ninth annual global citizenship conference. Gathered here were government officials, lawyers, bankers, and real estate developers who facilitate and profit from the trade of citizenship for cash.
Chris Kalin, Good evening, and a very warm welcome...
This is the man who more or less invented the business: Chris Kalin, chairman of Henley and Partners, a consulting firm with offices, where else, but in Zurich, Switzerland. For a fee and healthy commissions, Kalin helps countries set up their program, rewrite their citizenship laws, and recruit people of means looking for a second, third, or fourth passport, which he sees as just another travel accessory; a passport of convenience.
Chris Kalin: You probably have more than one credit card, I would assume. And, you know, if Visa doesn’t work, Mastercard will do. So I think any wealthy person nowadays should have more than one credit card. And likewise, you’d have more than one passport.

The subject uses the universal “you”, which is appropriate.  He speaks for himself, with “I would assume”, which is strong, as a pronoun, but not with assumption.  

What does he, himself, willingly assert?  That there should be more than one credit card.  He again asserts himself with “I think…” as he offers his opinion that “any” wealthy person “should” have more than one credit card.  

The theme of “credit card” in the plural is important to him.  This should alert us to the importance of using more than one credit card in the subject’s language. 
Why is it important for “you” (universal) to have more than one credit card?
a.      “If Visa doesn’t work, Mastercard will do.”  The language begins with a hypothetical, “if” but continues with the imperative:  “Mastercard will do.”  This is to say that the process of using credit is expected.  This is often the language of sales.  It reduces the “if” of the sales to “when.” 
***Have more than one credit card... would have more than one passport
Target audience is no longer the wealthy.  Consider both those who are less wealthy and the possible introduction of false identities created and the successful obtaining of credit cards under such.  
Steve Kroft: But you need to have some money to do this?
Chris Kalin: Yes.
This is a strong answer.  He needs no other words to buttress his affirming "yes."  

 “Money” is answered without sensitivity.  The IR will now increase the defensive posture by not listening: 
Steve Kroft: To be able to do this?
Chris Kalin: Yes, absolutely. It’s just for wealthy people, of course, yeah. ...
a.      “yes” would suffice
b.     “absolutely” is added to further strengthen it.
c.     “just” compares wealthy with those who are not wealthy
d.     “of course” is a statement in which the subject wants us to accept without question.
e.     “yeah” revisits the answer unnecessarily.   This is as a result of the IR not listening and accepting the affirmative.  It puts the subject on the defensive, and has shown a sensitivity towards money. 
With “just” a dependent word, it indicates simple comparison.  With money needing some emphasis, we should consider that the subject (Kalin) has a strong need to exclude non wealthy people from this.  Why?  This needs exploration.  It is only due to the lack of money, or is there more within the subject’s thinking? 
With money being important, why would the subject care to limit this only to the wealthy?  He is introducing something here that we should not miss.  
What is there within those less than wealthy that the subject does not wish to discuss here?
What are those with less wealth like? 

Who are they?  

Do they pose a threat? Or, are they legitimate customers, too?  
More information is needed.
Question for Analysis:  Will the rest of the statement affirm that he only wants the wealthy?  

We look for his words to guide us, going forward, allowing the information to influence us...

Narrator:  It’s provided St. Kitts and Nevis with hundreds of millions of dollars for infrastructure projects, private development, and tourism but a lot of the money is unaccounted for. More than 10,000 people have purchased citizenship here, but it’s almost impossible to tell who they are because the information is not public. Chris Kalin doesn’t like the words citizenship for cash, or any suggestion that all you need is money to get a passport.
Chris Kalin: You have to go through a process. You have to apply. And you have to answer a million questions. And you have to undergo a background verification. And you have, at least in the properly run programs, you have to be a reputable person. And that’s checked.
The subject begins with the pronoun “you” which is the universal usage and appropriate.  It designates no single person, outside of the already characterized “wealthy.” 
Next, we look at the order of his answer:
1.      A process
2.     Apply
3.     Answer a million questions
4.     Background verification
5.     Reputable person (qualified).
The order shows priority.  There is a “process” that begins before application.  This is the first verbal indicator of possible deception and fraud within this answer.  (please note that the limitation to “wealthy” is unanswered to this point in the interview.)

1.      A process.  Please note that it is “a” process and not any specific process.  By coming before “apply” suggests preliminary contact and communication before one applies. 
2.     A process is specifically non-descript.  The vagueness and the use of the article “a” suggests a fluidity of this process; that is, it is not a set procedure which opens to the possibility of fraud, by the very need to not identify it as a specific process.
3.     Apply:  the person in question, “you”, is not here identified only as the “wealthy” but identified in the 2nd person universal.  Since he previously identified the wealthy, with the words, “of course”, meaning to take his word for it without question, it is something Statement Analysis does not do.  The wealthy do not go through this process (“the wealthy applicants”) but “you” do.  This leaves open what must be accomplished before an application is made. 
4.      This should question is there are different “applications” for different people, including the wealthy and the non-wealthy. 
5.     And you have to answer a million questions” uses hyperbolic language.  This is often found in deceptive statements in which the subject wishes to persuade, rather than honestly report.  The use of the hyperbolic language suggests a need to make this “process” and “application” very complicated; therefore, very thorough. One should consider that this need to convince his audience belies the truth:  that the non-descript procedure goes back to money, rather than details itself.  The investigator should not only consider multiple processes, but possible fraud. 
6.     “a million questions” also suggests potential vetting issues.  The need to persuade reveals weakness. 
7.     Background “verification” is not background checking, nor background vetting. To “verify” is to avoid vetting and only require a single confirmation. It does not address criminality nor anything other than to verify a name.  This is increasing in importance as we progress. 
8.     Reputable person also avoids anything distinct or even dangerous.  Yet, this is made even weaker by his own qualification:
9.      And that’s checked” is unnecessary language.  The “process” itself is a system of “checking” and by adding that which is utterly unnecessary, the subject is revealing, from his own language and understanding, that this process does not include any of the normal security vetting done.  Like “verification” of one’s “background” (like a single ‘person’ saying, “yes, I know him”) we now can have “Yes, he’s a good person” with any name, real or otherwise, “verifying” the person.  By emphasizing that “that” is checked, he is signaling to us that other aspects are not checked. The “reputable” is not only subjective, it is undefined.  The best question to ask would have been, “Tell me about what “reputable” means to you…”

Here, the subject has revealed a very thinly veiled attempt to sound thorough.  The need to persuade this shows the very opposite.  The analyst/investigator should not only be on alert for fraudulent “rubber stamping” of approval, but should remain open that “you” includes more than just the wealthy. 
The language shows that the subject, himself, is acutely aware of this “process” and has a need to conceal the actual procedures “you” go through.  A “million questions” has the need to exaggerate rather than report.  This reveals, not only the process, but the subject himself, and what he is wiling to say and do to be successful. 

Narrator:  But evidently, not that carefully. About the only way to identify people who have purchased St. Kitts citizenship is if they happen to turn up on a list of international fugitives or get in trouble with the law, and St. Kitts and Nevis has more than its share for two sleepy, little islands. Its passport holders include a Canadian penny stock manipulator... a Russian wanted for bribery... a Kazak wanted for embezzlement... two Ukrainians suspected of bribing a U.N. official... and two Chinese women wanted for financial crimes.
Chris Kalin: I think it’s no secret that these islands have made decisions that are not always optimal.
Please note that he begins with the pronoun “I”, meaning that the information that follows is likely to contain some reliable points.  He continues to speak for himself, which helps us gain insight. 
Next note that he only “thinks”, rather than “knows”, which reduces his commitment to his own sentence. 
“It’s no secret” is passive language.  This allows him to bring forth a thought without personal responsibility. 
He uses the word, “optimal”, which  is ‘best choice’, but avoids any reference to legality.
This is minimizing language which suggests that he has a need to minimize.  What does this mean?
It means he has direct knowledge of wrong doing, and a need to minimize it.   

***These islands (closeness) have made decisions…islands do not make decisions.  Identity or specific reference to decision makers is withheld
Steve Kroft: They’ve taken some bozos, as you would call them?
To classify as “bozos” is a mistake, allowing the subject to only affirm, without definition, who “bozos” are.  TV interviewers focus upon themselves, seeking to gain attention for their own selves at the expense of information. 
Chris Kalin: Yes, exactly.
Steve Kroft: What about crooks?

Here is a different classification.  We all reveal ourselves when we speak but in the professional interview, we must limit our choice of words whenever possible.  A defensive subject is going to limit information, and a contaminated sentence is going to limit analysis.  
Chris Kalin: Yes. It’s goes all the way down to crooks, yeah, absolutely. And it tended for some time to attract quite a few people that I would never let into the country. But I’m not the government of St. Kitts and Nevis.
Here is a linguistic indication that suggests knowledge of more than just “crooks.”  He uses a scale of comparison:  “it goes all the way down…” with emphasis.  It is to affirm, with emphasis (“yeah, absolutely”) the assertion made by the IR.  This agreement with emphasis puts the subject at a position he is comfortable with.  By his own language, he places “crooks” at the bottom.  This is a comparison (“those at the top”) where we are led to believe that the very worst possible would be a thief.  This assertion, using comparison, tells us that the subject is likely aware of those who are “worse than crooks” who are going through the vague “million question” procedure. 
With a “process” coming before application, the investigator should be fully aware of being possibly vetted.  Caution warranted.

***“Islands” are now government of St. Kitts and Nevis.
Steve Kroft: But you set up their program.
This is an accusation which will increase defensive posture.  Thus far, the subject has answered for himself, and even with some weakness, has continued to keep himself, psychologically, in his answers. 
We always note the first departure from this norm, or standard and what caused it:   
Chris Kalin: We helped to set up the program. But, you know, as it is, advisers advise, ministers decide.
a.     Note the immediate response with the pronoun “we” here.  This is a strong indication that the subject (Kalin) does not want to be “alone” in this response.  This is often associated with the psychological need to share guilt and responsibility. 
b.     Note secondly the word “helped” is used.  This, too, reduces responsibility on the part of the subject, himself.  He did not “help”, but “we” helped.  “We” did not facilitate this transaction, but only “helped”, which reduces responsibility.  We note that these two elements are consistent with one not wishing to bear responsibility nor guilt. 
He, himself was accused, and he, himself as established the base pattern of authority with the pronoun “I.” 
Now, confronted with an accusation, instead of saying, “I did not…” he avoids a Reliable Denial.
This is a common form of deceptive denials:  not only does he avoid responsibility, but in doing so, he ‘hides’, psychologically, from guilt.
He could have said, “I did not process the applications of crooks” but to lie outright is to cause internal stress and it is to be avoided.  Instead of denying it, he not only passes off responsibility to others (note that he does not say that the ministers decided), but the use of the pronoun “we” breaks the pattern which tells us that this accusation is so strong that it has caused him to “retreat” and “surround himself” with others.  This is given instead of a denial.
This is a strong indication of his own guilty knowledge and likely participation in the process. This further shows us his need to persuade the vetting procedure of “million” questions. He knows what he is doing, he knows what he has done, and has specific need to not be left alone with this allegation.

But, you know,” as it is, advisers advise, ministers decide.  “But” refutes what comes before it.  “You know”- shows an increase of awareness of the Interviewer (and audience) at this point. 
Deception via inference or interpretation.
Statement Analysis does not interpret what one says. 
Here, he does not say that he was in an advisory role vs decision making role, but wants that to be inferred. This, added to the sensitivity already seen, including the audience reference, indicates an awareness of direct involvement in this. 
Narrator:  With vast sums of money flowing into these island nations, and more and more countries selling their citizenship, there is consensus that still more oversight and transparency is needed. But privacy and secrecy have always been a major selling point for people buying multiple passports, including Chris Kalin, the man who invented the business plan.
Steve Kroft: How many do you have?
Chris Kalin: I have multiple.
Steve Kroft: So you don’t wanna tell us how many you have?
The IR (interviewer) recognizes that the question was avoided making the question, itself, sensitive to the subject (Chris Kalin).  By avoiding a direct answer, the importance of the topic (“how many”) is now elevated.  The question is worded in the negative, which is contrary to gaining information as it puts the subject on the defensive.  For analysis, we must consider that the defensive posture is now impacted by the language of the IR. 

Chris Kalin: There’s a few things in my life that, that I don’t talk openly about. And I keep for myself. But I am Swiss originally and many people think I’m very Swiss and so I’ll leave it at that.
1.      First notice that the pronoun “I” now returns to the subject.  This is a personal and direct question and he recognizes it as such.
2.     The subject is put on the defensive, and introduces a plurality of elements (“few” is generally 3 or more) that he withholds.  He states that there are other things (elements) associated with the answer he avoids giving.  This is very important because these elements likely impact one another.  
3.     Note the use of “openly” can be associated with sexuality.  It is not definitive, but should be considered.  If it is part of the equation, it is only one part and any investigation into fraud (diversion of money, ‘entertainment expenses’)  must consider the topic of sexual activity, including prostitutes, black mail, etc, as part of the overall investigation. 
4.     The subject is ‘openly’ concealing information.  Not only is the number of passports he possesses sensitive to him, activities associated with these passports is sensitive to him.  This suggests that criminal activity (or any activity that triggers guilt) may be associated with the locales involved.  This may be unrelated to “how” the passports were gained (though some fraud may be involved) but it is the locations, plural, that there is a need to conceal.  (see “Swiss originally” and “very Swiss.”). 
5.     But I am Swiss originally” suggests a disconnect between his behavior as a Swiss (very Swiss) person and behavior that he doesn’t talk “openly” about.  If Swiss culture is “open” and “tolerant”, it is a verbal indication of involvement in something the Swiss are not likely to accept or be tolerant of.  This is likely criminal in nature. 

Does the subject have illegal accounts or criminal involvement in these other locales (beyond Switzerland)?
Has he engaged in illegal activities, including sexual, in these other locations?
Is the evidence of criminal activity (including fraud) at these other locales.

He could have given an answer that would have satisfied the question, such as “two”, (which, if he has three, remains a technically truthful answer, as he does have these two; a common form of deception) but this would lead to “where is your other passport…?” which would mean revealing a location.

This avoidance heightens the need to conceal location.  It is very likely to go well beyond just the means of obtaining a passport.  He does not wish to identify any other location for a reason and the reason is “very sensitive” information. 

Analysis Conclusion:

Deception Indicated.

Chris Kalin is not truthful in the interview regarding fraudulent selling of passports.  This fraudulent activity is very likely to include elements preceding the sale of passports. 

He uses various means of deception which suggests illegal (and unacceptable, culturally) behavior involving the selling of passports and this is seen in specific elements, beginning with the process. 

Unnecessary Information

When a subject gives us “unnecessary information”, it is an indication of very important information. 

Case in point:  First, only the wealthy can afford to purchase a passport. 

2nd case in point:  only the educated can navigate a “million” questions.

3rd:  only the ‘right’ people can pass the background “verification” with good reputation.

It is unnecessary to say that only the wealthy can afford to purchase foreign passports.  This is very important to him and will likely be very important in the investigation. 

Of particular interest is the selling of passports to those who are less than “wealthy”; that is, to those he knows are not purchasing passports for enjoyment of riches, but have other motives involved; motives he does not wish to discuss. The wealthy do not worry that their Visa card will be declined so they will use their Mastercard, but those of newly processed identities will struggle.  He wants to be seen as only selling to the wealthy who are looking for vacation lands.  This attempt to move the conversation away from others highlights that “others”, those who are not wealthy, may constitute either the majority or a very high minority of sales.  They are important to the business and likely contains people with illicit motives.

The investigation should include the manufacturing of false identifications.  This may be part of the “process” one goes through specifically before an application can be made.  This false identity would then need, not investigation, but “verification” and may lead to the failed attempt at one credit card, but successful at another. 

Identity theft should be considered. 

By his own classification of “crooks” at the bottom suggest more nefarious clientele which may include terrorism, arms traders, drug traffickers and possibly even the movement of women in the prostitution trade.  (see “open” in his language, and compare this to Swiss culture or acceptance). 

He deliberately obfuscates the process of obtainment and with the “pre application” step, combined with a televised interview, he and his company will be screening deliberately for investigators into the scam. This should not be ignored as it is a priority in his language:

Steps needed and taken before application is made. 

This may be where the investigation has the most success infiltrating the scam. 

He gives indication that his crimes are not restricted to any one locale, but likely has specific illegal activities in the very places where the passports are given.  This indicates guilty knowledge and association with those “ministers” of whom he distances himself from.

The subject is of above average intelligence and is likely well connected to various underground movement; particularly those of a criminal vein. 


In the deceptive language is the awareness of guilt in deliberately providing criminal element or those “not” of ‘good reputation’ and the implementation of various means at his disposal. See his broken pattern of “I” where he changes to “we” as a signal of specific and personal guilt of a criminal nature.  

Looking Forward

He will likely have an immediate change of practice, particularly in the few months following the airing of this interview, before the loss of revenue becomes acute, forcing him back to his previous methods (or even more lax methods) to rebuild the business.  Infiltration into the “process” will be more difficult in the immediate future, but this is not likely to last. 


The strong emphasis on money and the lack of responsibility suggest recklessness.  This is where a strong intellect can betray itself under the lure of both success and money.  As money decreases, impatience can drive him to careless error. 

In the airing of the interview, expect a team of lawyers to have already brought in new application “questions” to echo his exaggerated claim of “millions” to further legitimize what he revealed to be a most illegitimate process.   This may not, however, impact the “pre-application process” that is important to Kalin, making “verification” something important to him. 


Peter Hyatt 


Disclaimer:  This is the personal opinion of Peter Hyatt and Mr. Kalin is judicially innocent until charged and convicted in a court of law.  This material may not be reproduced without written permission from Hyatt Analysis Services.  


30 comments:

Bobcat said...

A million questions could be leakage related to millions of dollars.

Someone who is not "wealthy" could be someone who is a fugitive or a criminal who has the cash, but is not well-regarded.

Anonymous said...

Going on the premise that people essentially tell the truth particularly when being deceptive.

Strong answer
Steve Kroft: But you need to have some money to do this?

Chris Kalin: Yes.


A strong affirmation the consumer needs a vague amount of "some" money - not necessarily a very large amount of money, such as the minimum $250,000 investment needed for St Kitts and Nevis. The vagueness surrounding the amount of money rings alarm bells for me and suggests that much smaller amounts are at play.

Weak answer
Steve Kroft: To be able to do this?

Chris Kalin: Yes, absolutely. It’s just for wealthy people, of course, yeah. ...

"just", "of course", "absolutely", yeah..." all weaknesses and language of persuasion / perception management.

Interesting post. It's sounds like a very smart person doing some exceptionally dumb things. I would suspect that Dr Kalin did actually start out as a decent man. When you have a system that does not sufficiently regulate human conduct then even decent people can turn bad.

Peter Hyatt said...

Anonymous wrote:

It's sounds like a very smart person doing some exceptionally dumb things.




Great quote.

I just learned that he issued a press release from his attorneys..

surprise surprise.

Nic said...
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Nic said...

Peter,
This is excellent and fascinating analysis. Thank you.

“It’s no secret” is passive language.

Is this in the same vein as spreading the blame/we? Or being "above reproach"?

Something else I see when I look at “no” secret, (aside from introducing the word secret) it’s an affirmative statement, yet stated in the negative, IMO, making it sensitive. It's like saying, nothing to see here/NTP. However, those “in the know” (per his word "secret") may be aware of many problems within the process making the approval process, "illegal".

Anonymous said...

OT,
Something bugging me about the worst tragedy in Baltimore, MD.
6 out of 9 children perished in a house fire yesterday.
The Father was at work, Mother was at home.
The 3 kids who survived weren't rescued by their Mother.
An 8 year old saved her 2 siblings according to multiple sources.

Just found a Washington Post article and something about it is bugging me.
The Mother's reported reaction seems so muted to me.
Wouldn't any Mother of nine kids risk being burned to TRY and save her babies? ?
The only kids who lived were ones who were saved by their sibling !

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/6-children-missing-after-baltimore-house-fire/2017/01/12/16e6eb4a-d8c0-11e6-9f9f-5cdb4b7f8dd7_story.html?utm_term=.008f79c8b26


Am I off base here ? Perhaps I don't understand enough about shock, but since I have read reports that neighbors could HEAR the screams of the kids in the house, why did't the Mother do everything possible to save them ?? Why be so numb when there was some slim hope ?

Mother's exchange with neighbor while house was on fire.
From WaPo:
"As flames shot from windows of a home teetering on collapse, Robert Spencer saw his neighbor approach from the glow, her face blackened and burned.

He had been awakened Thursday by the sound of shattering glass followed by a whoosh shortly after midnight.

“Where are the babies?” Spencer asked Katie Malone as the heat grew more intense.

“It’s three of them in the back yard,” she answered quietly, walking toward Spencer as if in slow motion, a numb look on her face.

“Where are the other ones at?” Spencer asked.
“Upstairs.”

Spencer wanted to rush inside to rescue the children, but the flames were too intense.

Hours later, after firefighters combed through burned rubble by hand and used a cadaver dog in their search, they recovered six bodies believed to be the children of Katie and Bill Malone.

...................

An 8-year-old daughter helped two of her younger brothers escape to the back yard.

Anonymous said...

OT pt2 Baltimore fir:
One more interview with same neighbor
Witnesses say the home was engulfed before anyone could even call 911.

Neighbors tried to help.

Robert Spencer ran across the street, but the blaze blocked him from getting to the children trapped inside.

“The little kids, I heard them yell. I saw the mother come from the flames around there. I thought I was in a movie,” said Spencer.

“I spoke with the mother and I asked her, ‘Where the other kids at?’ and she said ‘The other kids is around the side.’You know, I thought all of them was there, but the other ones was upstairs.”

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2017/01/13/cause-of-house-fire-investigated-as-community-mourns-6-children/#.WHlRQZkP_i0.twitter

She thought all of the kids (including a 9 month old baby) were outside ????????


And darn it, Dad's statement even bugs me. I can not imagine losing my loved ones and the next day talking about gofundme !@!@@@@#@

The children’s father, William Malone has released a statement to the public:

“My family and I are deeply grateful for the outpouring of love and support we have received in the wake of the tragic fire my wife and children experienced. We continue to receive kind offers from many who wish to help. We ask that monetary donations be sent to the GoFundMe account we have set up at https://www.gofundme.com/malone-housefire. We will have information regarding non-monetary donations at a later date. As you can imagine, this is an extremely difficult time for my family, and I ask that our privacy be respected at this time.”

John mcgowan said...

OT:

12-year-old girl disappears after heading to school bus stop in St. Louis Wednesday morning

ST. LOUIS • Police are searching for a missing St. Louis girl who left for her school bus stop early Wednesday and hasn’t been seen since.

Kameill Taylor, 12, left for the bus stop about 6:10 a.m. from her home in the 5300 block of Labadie Avenue, near Union Boulevard, police said.

The girl was to meet a friend and then walk to a bus stop a few blocks away at Maffitt Avenue and Union, her mother told police.

But Kameill never showed up at her friend’s house and never arrived at Carr Lane Middle School. Her mother said this is unusual behavior for Kameill.

“She loved going to school,” said Shonta Taylor, 31. “She was bubbly and energetic. She was not wild or the kind of girl who would get in trouble."

This is very early (3 days) for a biological mother to use past tense language. Does she believe or have knowledge that she is deceased. Have LE or anyone gave her reason to think this way?
The past tense is consistent and may not hold as much weight if she had slipped into past tense language then corrected herself and returned to present tense.

Peter!

She was chosen student of the month for December, and her photo was taken there Monday to go along with the honor.

Taylor and family members have been searching alleys, vacant houses and the route Kameill was to have walked to the bus stop. Police have been canvassing the area, Taylor said.

It’s like my baby vanished,” she said.

Kameill is about 5 feet 7 inches, 160 pounds and has medium-length braided hair. She was wearing black and purple Nike Air Jordan tennis shoes, black scrub-style pants and a black polo shirt with a dark-colored plaid coat. She carried a bright-colored plaid book bag.

Authorities asked anyone with information about Kameill’s whereabouts to call 911.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/year-old-girl-disappears-after-heading-to-school-bus-stop/article_2d735ce7-82d5-5a47-bc36-4a43c96b7452.html

Bobcat said...

Kameill has been found and is in the hospital.

There are a few more quotes from the mother - present tense.

http://www.kmov.com/story/34248296/police-searching-for-missing-12-year-old-girl

BOSTON LADY said...

I have two comments. The first is to Anonymous who wrote at 7:03pm about the horrific fire that caused the deaths of 6 children. I looked at the Go Fund page and was astounded to see they are trying to raise $500, 000 ! Where did they come up with that figure just a day after the fire? They have raised half of that in 3 days. That's a large sum of money.

The second is the John's post about the missing 12 year old girl in St.Louis. That's quite clearly past tense when the mother described her daughter's actions. It immediately reminded me of Hailey Dunn's story where she was headed to her friend's for a sleep over, per her mother's boyfriend, but never made it. Eerie. And Hailey went missing in 2010. Her remains were found a few years ago. Hailey's case remains open. However, I just read an article from Big Country where Billie Jean Dunn, her mother, stated that a show Crime Watch Daily was getting involved to do a series and would give the case publicity. I hope it does and arrests will be made. Hailey was a beautiful little girl and her story grabbed the attention of this entire country.

Billie also spoke of Hailey in past tense on the Nancy Grace show. :(

John mcgowan said...

Re my OT:

FOUND! Missing 12-year-old last seen walking to bus stop is safe

A 12-year old St. Louis girl, missing since Wednesday, has been located and is now safe.

Police say Kameill Taylor was found Friday night in the upstairs of a vacant house in the 5300 block of Terry in north St. Louis.

Taylor was alone when they found her, police said.

Police only shared limited details about their investigation, but emphasized they do not believe she went into this home on her own. The home is located within walking distance of the bus stop at the corner of Maffit and Union where her family says she was walking to on Wednesday.

12-year old Kameill Taylor has been located. She has been transported to the hospital for treatment. We will provide additional details soon— St. Louis, MO Police (@SLMPD) January 14, 2017
Police say Taylor was found conscious, with some clothing and her backpack. She suffered some trauma and is being treated at a local hospital. Police would not share more details about her injuries.

Earlier search efforts in this area had turned up nothing, but tonight police decided to look again in this area where there are several vacant buildings. It was during this renewed effort that she was found.

"We just started going from block to block, house to house – and we weren’t going to stop," said Lt. Perri Johnson, Commander for the Juvenile Division of the St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department. "We were going to search every house that we could until we found her."

Johnson credits the community support, federal partners, and detectives with the department for a successful search.

According to the missing person report, Taylor left her home on the 5300 block of Labadie Avenue at around 6:10 Wednesday morning, but never made it to school.

Her mother said she typically met a friend at Terry Avenue on the way to the bus stop at Maffit and Union, and the two walk the rest of the way to the bus stop. On Wednesday, her friend said she never saw Taylor and Taylor never made it to school.

Police said the icy weather and dropping temperatures made an important search even more critical.

"We couldn’t take a chance, it was very critical," he said. "It's hard for somebody to survive out there in these elements by themselves -- Let alone, being a young girl. We knew time was against us and we knew we had to exhaust as much as we could."

Police shared few details about Taylor's condition and their investigation.

http://www.ksdk.com/news/found-missing-12-year-old-last-seen-walking-to-bus-stop-is-safe/386017580

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John mcgowan said...

I'm wondering if the mother was asked questions in the past tense.

Did she like school?
What was he personality like?
etc..

Did she speak in the free editing process?
Was she entering another's language?
Was the weather (bad) a factor?
What was her health like?

Bobcat said...

I'm curious about Kameill Taylor.

Why did she leave two hours before school started, to walk approx. 5 minutes to a bus stop, to catch a bus that would take at max. 15 minutes to the school, which had a bell time of 8:05 a.m.?

Sunrise was approx. 7:15 a.m.

Was her mother Shonta notified by the attendance office at school that Shonta was missing?

Bobcat said...

Disregard my previous timing comment. I calculated distance from Kameill's bus stop to the wrong school. There may have been a number of stops in between her pickup and the school.

Bobcat said...

From Kameill's mom on facebook 1/13/17 @ 1:02 am
https://www.facebook.com/shontarealistbytch.harris/posts/1629756937040184

"CAN'T SLEEP So i have to say something.
.thanks for evey one prayers please keep them coming ..
...BUT i HAVE TO VENT ....(So in my loudest voice i can ever make) kameill an'renee Taylor were are you .mommy so worried call me same number 3146006458 i waiting on u on ladadie member i told u the #4 r # 13 bus will all ways get u home if you ever get lost" i love u IM Here IM up lights on # NO MATTER WHAT TIME"

Bobcat said...

https://www.gofundme.com/kameill-taylors-recovery

John mcgowan said...

Kameill Taylor's recovery


GFM

Hello, all, my name is Andrew Black Jr, the uncle of Kameill Taylor. As a family, we've recenlty experienced heartbreaking trumoil and trauma. With God Almighty being in control, wounds will heal and scars will fade away! Her mother, Shonta Taylor has been an outstanding warrior standing firm during this whole ordeal. During this extremely emotional road to recovery, Kameill will need means to help heal her mind, body and soul. Any amount of proceeds will be used to benefit the family in everyway possible. This would mean the world to Shonta, Kameill and the rest of their immeadiate family. We will be forever grateful.
Help spread the word!

https://www.gofundme.com/kameill-taylors-recovery

tania cadogan said...

Interesting.

Order is important and he starts with As a family, we've recenlty experienced heartbreaking trumoil and trauma.
It is not they who suffered, it is Kameill (allegedly)
Surely she shouyld be the priority.
Order is important, we have turmoil and trauma
I would have thought trauma would have been more important due to physicality than turmoil which would be confusion and upset.

With God Almighty being in control, wounds will heal and scars will fade away!
Whose wounds and scars?
He does not tell us.
Mental and/or physical?

Her mother, Shonta Taylor has been an outstanding warrior standing firm during this whole ordeal.
Full social introduction for the mother yet Kameill is not given a name, she is referred to only as her
Praise is given to the mother who is described as an outstanding warrior standing firm during this whole ordeal
A warrior is a fighter, what was the mom fighting for?
Surely it would be Kameill who was the warrior standing firm, enduring, being brave and then being found.

Kameill will need means to help heal her mind, body and soul. Any amount of proceeds will be used to benefit the family in everyway possible.

Any amount of proceeds
There is no limit to the amount of money that will be used to help the immediate family.

It is however the family who will benefit in every way possible.

Note the money will not be used to solely benefit Kameill, she who supposedly would need it most.

Are we now seeing leakage as to perhaps a motive?

What is meant by every way possible?
Are we talking new car, shopping trips, vacations?

Why not use the money to benefit the alleged victim?
It is she who would need counseling if the crime happened as claimed.
Why not put the money towards college even?

This would mean the world to Shonta, Kameill and the rest of their immeadiate family. We will be forever grateful.
Again this speaks to me of motive, a possible scam even.

Shonta is placed first, making her the priority, the most important in relation to donations.
Kameill (the alleged victim) is placed second, even though by rights she should be the priority.
The rest of the immediate family is placed last.

The author is the uncle of Kameill.
He ends with We will be forever grateful.
Who does he class as the immediate family?
Does he include himself as he uses the pronoun we indicating unity and shared cooperation?

There is something off with this story.
Was this faked in order to get donations?

I would be looking at the family dynamics, financial history such as debts, criminal or CPS history.

tania cadogan said...

https://www.gofundme.com/kameill-taylors-recovery

$240 of $5,000 goal
Raised by 5 people in 13 hours


Hmm this makes me think there are others who are thinking something is off.

Looking at the donations

$20
Anonymous
11 mins ago

Share
$10
Anonymous
5 hours ago

Share
PS
$10
Patricia Scott
6 hours ago

Share
SB
$100
Stacy Belton
11 hours ago

Share
$100
DeAngela Belton
12 hours ago


Please share! Anything will help! Thanks in advance!


The two highest donations made me wonder if they were related or knew Kameill.

Deangela is Kameill's aunt.

From her FB page: DeAngela Belton

https://www.facebook.com/deangela.belton.9?lst=534610909%3A100006432159104%3A1484488815

Yesterday at 1:53am · Ferguson, MO, United States ·

My niece has been found. Thank you for your prayers.

Stacy Belton also seems to be a relative as well.
I can't access her FB but the Finding Kameil Taylor group on FB would seem to indicate a relationship.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/216502108810799/.

The two biggest donors are family, whilst 4 anons have donated 2x$10 and 2 x $20 ( i wonder if they are related?)

They aren't going to get much with $240.

Nic said...

John,
I'm wondering if the 12 year-old met someone on-line and they arranged an early morning "hook-up".

Police say Taylor was found conscious, with some clothing and her backpack. She suffered some trauma and is being treated at a local hospital. Police would not share more details about her injuries.

It sounds like the relationship between mom and daughter is tenuous,i.e., daughter growing up fast. 5 feet 7 inches, 160 pounds. She's off the charts for a 12 year-old, appearing "older" than her peers.

" i waiting on u "


jmo

Nic said...

tania said,
There is something off with this story.
Was this faked in order to get donations?


You could be onto something. The mother doesn't address a third party in her broadcast. She is addressing her daughter directly.

"i waiting on u"

Nic said...

"CAN'T SLEEP So i have to say something.
.thanks for evey one prayers please keep them coming ..
...BUT i HAVE TO VENT ....(So in my loudest voice i can ever make) kameill an'renee Taylor were are you . mommy so worried call me same number 3146006458 i waiting on u on ladadie member i told u the #4 r # 13 bus will all ways get u home if you ever get lost" i love u IM Here IM up lights on # NO MATTER WHAT TIME"

The mom isn't looking, she's "broadcasting".

The mom is not trying to appeal to anyone who might have her daughter.

She's showing herself to be a good m"mommy" (if you ever get lost).

She is not "missing" or "taken" she is "lost" (and can be found).

I, I, I, I, I,.....

lights (trauma, wounds)

tania cadogan said...

They are now up to $695 on their gofundme.

I asked what the money would be spent on benefiting the family, i did not donate.

Will they respond?

lane said...

@Tania
Someone did.
"
Flenecia Black
29 mins ago

Tania, the funds will be used for feeding her other children, funds for transportation back and forth to the hospital, keeping up with day to day needs as she us unable to work at this time while she cares for Kameill."

CptKD said...

O/T
Anyone watching the Leah Remini special on A&E re: Scientology?
I'm curious as to others 'thinking' & BELIEFS -As to this supposed 'church'¿
Peter, thoughts?
Have you had a chance to view any of these 'airings'?
Have you ever 'analyzed' anything/anyone/any statements pertaining to Scientology?

Nic said...

CptKD,

Unfortunately A&E has to be "purchased" here in Canada. I gave up cable. I still get TV (by law) but I don't get anything up above Channel 13, which is "limited". i.e., like parliamentary channels. Super interesting, edge-of-your-seat kind of viewing. :0)

lane said...

GFM Kameill Taylor's recovery
$5,100 of $5,000 goal

@Tania

"Kimberly Momphard
1 hour ago

Tania, I don't know if you will read this, but I feel your question was rude. It is common sense what this family will use this money for. And for that matter, even if it was for being able to live comfortably while this mother sits by her child's side. She should have to worry about nothing, EXECPT love her family. She has had one child that has been through god only knows what. Plus having to comfort her other children while trying to crack the hell up herself. So, what she shouldnt have to worry about. Is money plain and simple. smdh."

Dan said...

To come back to the analysis of Chris Kalin, it seems he has lied throughout his interview.

Having been privy to information around the St. Kitts & Nevis passport program. It was Chris Kalin who recommended that the date of birth be taken off the passports and placed in a chip. This had serious repercussions with banks and anti-money laundering regulation. Combined with the nefarious individuals going through the program it presents a serious international concern.

When Chris Kalin talks about being an adviser, not a minister, he is projecting the blame. The government depended on his expert advice which has backfired. Further to his statement about advisers advise, and ministers decide - This is a fact, not an answer, its somewhat of a smokescreen to divert the conversation.

I suspect the reason he wanted to divert the conversation is because he is the Honorary Council of St. Kitts & Nevis to Zurich. So he is a diplomat! So he IS the government of St. Kitts despite what he says. This would also explain why he was deceptive and evasive when asked about how many passports he owns.

Peter Hyatt said...

Good comments, Dan, in particular the refusal to take responsibility is quite strong. This is insight into how to interview him.

Peter