Peter Hyatt on "Crime Wire": The Murder of Amanda Blackburn
February 23, 2017, Peter Hyatt will be a guest on "Crime Wire" live broadcast, and will be taking your calls and questions at 9am to 1030AM EST.
Amanda Blackburn was a victim of a sexual homicide in which arrests have been made.
Questions, however, remain in one of the most bizarre 'solved' murder cases of recent years.
Peter Hyatt will share analysis of the case, including deception detection techniques, and what this may mean for justice.
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I think the minions were running the Newspring show, but damage control after Amanda's murder required Pastor Perry to read his part of the script so all the people would fall in line and say "Amen". I don't get the sense that Perry knew Davey all that well, but that he does get googly eyed when in the presence of his "beautiful" Davey.
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Perry quotes about "Crazy"
11/11/15 Eulogy:
"And one of the things I love to do is, as the pastor when we’re interviewing people, I love to meet the interview and, and their spouse, because, um if somebody joins your organization, that’s great, but if they bring crazy into the organization then they bring crazy to work with them every day. And so, we just try to identify crazy right from the start. And um and I was like, “Davey, I want to meet your fiancée, and, um, that will kind of be the final interview.” And he said “Okay.” And I never will forget where I was, I never will forget the first time I saw Amanda, and they walked in and I said, that thing that’s, hasn’t been quite right with Davey just got made right once she walked in the room."
4/2016 Blog promoting Davey Interview at Newspring:
"When Davey graduated from college, a guy on our staff said that we needed to consider hiring a guy named Davey Blackburn. I couldn’t put a face with the name until someone said “You know! Crazy Davey!” We went through some interviews, and he did great. In the process, I found out that he was engaged. When we interview people, I love getting to meet their spouses. You can tell a lot about a person by who they’re married to so I told Davey that for his final interview, I wanted to meet his fiancée. When the day came and I met Amanda, that thing that wasn’t quite right about Davey was made right when she walked into the room."
4/24/16 Perry's script changes...Now, it's Amanda that might be crazy.
"I remember interviewing you. Um, we brought you in for the final interview, and I said, I, um. We ALWAYS interview the spouse. Uh, and some people go, ‘The spouse isn’t coming on to work’. And I’m like, ‘Yeah, but, if, if the spouse does work, ‘cause if, if your staff member marries crazy, um, they bring crazy with them to work every single day,’ and some of you know that that’s true. Um, and I remember, I remember, you know, I was, I was 90, you know, I was almost convinced that you were the right guy. And then when you and Amanda walked in the room, I just walked in, I was like, ‘Yep. Yep. He’s ready. We got a,’ because she just walked in the room and just lit the place up."
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2017/08/the-mentors-changing-story.html
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I don't think so. I do think Perry was the person who used to get on here and call himself Cucumber Sandwich and all those crazy names and do those mulberry bush rhymes. It was about the same time he was endlessly ranting on twitter months leading up to being fired for alcohol abuse. It stopped about time he went to rehab. Just my thoughts
August 22, 2017 at 8:33 PM
HAHAHAHA!!!
perspective, people....perspective.
You do understand that this blog comments section is not that important? The fact that a (very) few people spend their days and nights writing cheap mystery fiction here doesn't mean anyone takes it seriously. I continue to read here and intentionally annoy the bunch of you because you're so ridiculous and actually believe you're doing something important by posting thoughts on a murder about which you have absolutely no true knowledge. Not only does your ignorance not prevent you from propagating these cheaply written crime stories, you truly believe you're detectives!
Hilarious!
Anon has a need to persuade (him/herself, at least), along with a need to explain why he/she keeps reading here?
Mystery fiction or - crime stories? Certainly there is a crime story, as related by Davey - he didn't even think Amanda's murder was a crime before he was informed of it, at least according to him. That in itself has to be troubling, particularly to those who gathered at Amanda's deathbed and saw some of what had been done to her. The contrast between Davey and Jono's perspective with regard to Amanda's condition - striking. God prevented Davey from having a true perspective - God's grace, according to him. Cheaply written - depends on your perspective - some contributions are obviously quite costly in terms of time and effort.
#nothingiswasted #sodontworryyourself #thebestisyettocome
https://www.facebook.com/nobleperry/posts/1220495141372308
#1 - There Are Consequences For Sin. ...
I had a secret.
I knew it was wrong.
At first I thought I could control it; however, it wound up controlling me.
#2 - Jesus Paid For My Sin.
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, Romans 8:1
There are no words to describe the level of guilt and shame I have experienced.
#3 - Asking For Help Is A Sign Of Strength, Not Weakness ...
I lied to myself.
I told myself to stay silent, and that by doing so everything would somehow get magically better (as I typed that sentence I realize how ridiculous it sounds…but…that’s what deception does, takes something ridiculous and convinces us that it is reality.) ...
If you are in the middle of a storm, the greatest thing you could do is ask for help. And, when you do - be 100% honest, don’t say you have a little issue when it’s something that may be dominating my life.
#4 - Going Through A Fire Reveals Who Your True Friends Are.
There are people who I thought were mere acquaintances who have been way more supportive than I could have ever imagined. Their consistency in calling, texting and inviting me to be a part of their lives has been one of the most incredible things I’ve ever experienced.
On the other hand there are those I thought would always stand with me who have gone silent, and in some cases, a tad hostile. I’m not angry with them. I understand they experienced a level of hurt in this as well. They thought I was someone, and when the curtain was pulled back and my struggle was revealed they could not handle it.
#5 - The Best Really Is Yet To Come ...
David committed adultery and murder, and yet was described as a man after God’s own heart.
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The cookies needed to go on a higher shelf.
My opinion:
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"They thought I was someone, and when the curtain was pulled back and my struggle was revealed they could not handle it."
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Perry once explained his creative methodology of sharing the gospel as "putting the cookies on the bottom shelf."
This methodology attracted a pastoral 'gang' of bottom feeding minions who all get "get out of hell free" passes from Jesus every week.
Perry himself is no angel, and his bottom feeders think he will be OK with any sin...
But Amanda's execution/coverup crosses his moral line and bothers him greatly.
Great work, Bobcat. We now see the significance of "The Best Is yet To Come" statement. Could not be more eerie.
#5 - The Best Really Is Yet To Come
As I look in the Scripture people fell and got back up...
David committed adultery and murder, and yet was described as a man after God’s own heart.
Davey's statement after Amanda's murder:
"As deeply as I am hurting I am hopeful and confident that good things will come of this....I hold firm to the belief that God is still good, that He takes our tragedy and turns it into triumph, and that the best truly is yet to come.”
In between "The best really is yet to come"
and "David committed adultery and murder"
Perry chooses:
"...For though the righteous fall seven times, they rise again...
...fell and got back up..."
Perry's leakage regarding knowledge of Amanda's crippling suffering?
:-(
Bobcat, I don't think Perry, or any of them, were concerned about Amanda's suffering. I think Perry's referring to Davey and himself committing sin (and more) and rising up again to be God's favorites.
Cheryl,
You may be right. I shouldn't project my own humanity onto them.
Why are the inflammatory, bullying comments from Anon @6:07 (and elsewhere) permitted to stay, but the comments in response to her, removed? It seems unfair. She has clearly stated (repeatedly) that her reason for being here is to agitate, insult and ridicule others. What's going on?
Anon @6:07 said
"I continue to read here and intentionally annoy the bunch of you because you're so ridiculous ....."
Charming.
OT Hey Jude. The Dippolito case does seem farcical. Even more so when you consider her defence, which was that she, Michael Dipolitto and the hitman were all working together to produce a "reality TV" style reel, to help Dahlia get acting work. Bizarre.
Can I retract my comment @3:18? "Concerned" might have deleted her own comment. Anyway, angry anonomous needs sympathy, not censure. Peace.
Just wanted to let you guys know that Resonate is having a big sale on their "merch"! Don't miss out! 75% off!!
OT
Trudy -I haven't got as far as her defence yet - still looking for a channel which might have the videos uploaded in correct sequence - they are all over the place, and so many retrials. I wonder how can there be so many retrials when it was obvious from day one what she did, or thought she had done.
The best bit so far has to be where she says to her husband, 'You're not even trying!'. I listened to it again, and it seemed even funnier - like it *should* be fiction, it can't be real, yet it is.
New Blog Post from DB. Weston will be in the classroom with one of the first responders for Amanda.
“Yeah, I believe you would have met my husband, but you may not remember him. His name is Chris and he’s a Sergeant for the IMPD—the police department. He was one of the officers who responded to your 911 call the morning Amanda was killed.”
I thought fire dept called the police?
Classroom with the child of first responders I meant
The new blog is sickeningly syrupy. It sounds like it was written by a woman, targeted for MOPS.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BYLgsYWlyEn/?hl=en&taken-by=daveyblackburn
What about when I grow up I want to be like Daddy. Oh paaaleeeaaase! That is the first time I have seen a parent ever put something like that on a back to school sign. He just can't help himself can he?? Also, it is obvious Meg made the sign as it reflects lettering from her sign making. DB can even make his sons first day of school all about him.
Bobcat, agreed on your post
Also, what about all the references to Weston peeing on himself. He soaked through 3 pairs of clothes in one hour? That is a bit disturbing. What is going on? High anxiety? Also,Davey brought plenty of clothes for Weston because he didn't want him to look like a Goodwill model? What the heck? I believe Davey wrote that. ha
Thanks Bingo. Davey's self love, obsession with outward appearances, envy and resentment of others, tinder box temper and cruel steak are once again, on display, for the world to see, on this latest blog. I have no doubt that he wrote it, himself. It reeks of crazy Davey.
I sincerely hope that someone who is close to the Blackburns, will identify the warning signs (excessive urination) of childhood diabetes, and get Weston checked out by a doctor. ASAP.
I agree about the sign. It was obviously written by Megs, although Davey seems reluctant to acknowledge it. (Someone complimented the writing in the comments and Davey just said he wished he could take credit for it, but didn't bother to mention Megs.). He also says that he feels that he has been Westons "sole" carer, which, as we all know, is bullshit. Davey spends far more time away from Weston, than with him. No doubt it will be Megs who drops Weston to preschool from here-on-in, photo opportunities aside. Im not sure what to make of the presence of LE at the preschool. Just another helluva coincidence? I'd be worried if I was crazy Davey.
Trudy, I didn't delete my comment.
Done by the administrator. So odd.
New Blog Post from DB. Weston will be in the classroom with (the child of) one of the first responders for Amanda.
"Yeah, I believe you would have met my husband, but you may not remember him. His name is Chris and he’s a Sergeant for the IMPD—the police department. He was one of the officers who responded to your 911 call the morning Amanda was killed.”
I thought fire dept called the police?
Of COURSE Weston is in class with the child of one of the IMPD officers who responded to the 911 call.
Randomly. Another amazing coincidence in the story, such wonderful dots God has connected that their paths would cross like this in this strange scary world. What are the chances ?
Yes, absolutely the fire department called the police and I am sure they wasted no time in doing so when they walked into the Blackburn house expecting their patient named Amanda Blackburn to be knocked out and with maybe a cut on her head from a concussion or a fall - and instead found everything they found and saw everything they saw.
Davey's blog makes it sound like IMPD Officer "Chris" was one of the very first responders to walk into the Blackburn residence aka Davey's house on that morning. Not just an investigating officer or detective who happened across the scene later - but one of the VERY. FIRST. ONES to respond to Davey's 911 call ! !
But - the Affidavit of Probable Cause names six IMPD officers who showed up in conjunction with the three 911 calls that morning - none named Chris.
https://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/291143533/Affidavit-of-Probable-Cause-in-Amanda-Blackburn-Case
Page 13 - "Jacola Searsbrook called 911 to report a burglary of her apartment at 5756 San Clemente Drive. Officer Thomas Aguilar responded to make a report".
Page 13 "Alison Becker called 911 to report a burglary of her home at 2830 Sunnyfield Court. Officer Elise Torres responded to take the report."
Page 14 "At 8:22 A.M......David Blackburn called 911 reporting that he found his wife, Amanda Blackburn, injured and unconscious on the living room floor of their home at 2812 Sunnyfield Court. Indianapolis Fire Department Engine 12 responded to the scene. At 8:30A.M., IFD 12 requested that the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department respond for a possible assault.
At 8:44A.M., Officers Richard Crosby and Larry Crowe arrived at the Blackburn residence as medics were carting Amanda Blackburn from the house.
Sergeant T Michael Wilson and Officer Carl Grigsby cleared the residence.
The Affidavit of Probable Cause documents nobody on Sunnyfield Court from IMPD that morning named Chris....
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-continued from last post-
Page 14-
Detective Pete Perkins responded to Methodist Hospital ...
Page 15-
Detective Dan Kepler obtained a search warrant...
Crime Scene Specialist Colleen Clark documented the scene with video, photographs and a sketch.....
Page 16-
Detective (Pete) Perkins, Sgt Mark Prater, Lt Roger Spurgeon, Captain (Craig) Converse, Detective Rich Mahon,
Lt. Craig McCartt, and Detective (Dan) Kepler canvassed the area.....
No Chris ! - definitely not as one of the four IMPD personnel who were FIRST on the scene and would be considered to be "the ones who responded to Davey's 911 call" in the context of the story. Not even a Chris later on, at the hospital or in the ensuing "investigation" of the already 150% cleared grieving pastor.
This story does not ring true- even the words used to relate it on the blog smack desperately of storytelling. There would be no need for Victoria to say/ clarify "IMPD - the police department" to Davey - he well knows what IMPD
is compared to IFD.
Plus which - Davey does not use the word "killed" when talking about everything that happened to Amanda and I find it hard to believe that this random parent would just blurt it out like that either.
Page 5 and page 11 list all of the state's witnesses and titles if any (IMPD
officers are noted with their rank before their names and "IMPD" behind their names). Nobody named Chris there either .....
......yet Victoria and this mysterious IMPD responder Chris are an integral part of Weston's first preschool experience.
Now the light bulb over my head has clicked on -- "CHRIS from IMPD - the POLICE department" - was one of the officers "who responded to your 911 call" (responded first). As in -IMPD (!) responded to Davey's 911 call that morning - not IFD - and we all know it was IFD who responded first and then called IMPD.
Crime Scene Specialist Colleen Clark documented the scene - I bet she was wondering why they (IMPD) weren't aware that there was a crime scene at 2812 Sunnyfield Court at 8:22am when Davey called 911 - why IFD had to call them to the scene.
Oh yeah that's right -IMPD had no idea they were needed to document and investigate a crime scene -
- because Davey had no idea anyone had been in his house and thought they had just lost the baby right here, but um.
The 911 call is KEY. Interesting that it should make an appearance now, in this blog post. And extremely interesting / maybe NOT a coincidence that Victoria and "there was no IMPD responder to 911 call named Chris" befriended Davey at preschool.
"He was one of the officers who responded to your 911 call the morning Amanda was killed."
Regardless of "Chris" responding or not, the blog authors' NTP is that Amanda was killed on the morning Davey made the 911 call.
I believe that Amanda likely suffered critical injuries a day before the morning of 11/10/2015. The reported "head wound" was a strategically mapped out, carefully plotted ploy; a "masterpiece"; to conceal her true killer.
Flight, Victoria commented on Davey;'s IG post. Her last name is Wilburn. Here's here instagram (private). Is there a Chris Wilburn with the IMPD?:
https://www.instagram.com/vicwil/?hl=en
Here's her comment:
vicwil Chris and I are completely humbled by your words. Thank you for sharing your story with us these past few years, you've made an impact on us more than you know. We love watching God unfold His master plan and we are so grateful you and Weston are part of our story now. Jesus is on the move in Indianapolis, excited to love our sons and guide them together this year! PS parenting bonus points today with those early morning fruit snacks 🙌🏼
Answered my own question.
According to Ofc. Christopher Wilburn: "It's important to note that we have somewhat of an image of the individual. It's our hope that we can piece this puzzle together. We're being very meticulous with what information that we have. And I know that we're being very, um, we're limiting what we're releasing. And that's on purpose. We have to protect the integrity of this investigation."
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNo8Oo3iOFE
http://fox59.com/2016/09/12/video-impd-sgt-chris-wilburn-sings-national-anthem-at-colts-game-on-911/
As I circled around the room I heard a voice in front of me, “Davey?” It was Victoria.
“Hello?” I responded searching her face for a memory of some sort. Had I met this girl before? How did she know my name?
“My name’s Victoria. We go to Trader’s Point Church—where Amanda’s celebration of life service was.
Davey knows where Amanda's celebration of life service was - Victoria would have no need to say this to him. This is setting the scenario for THE STORY, the blog.
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My husband and I have been following your story since the beginning. My little boy, Jude, is in Weston’s . . . uh, it’s Weston right? Weston’s class."
I would bet that anyone who has been following the story from the beginning would know Weston's name for sure.
No matter how many times it occurs in a given week, I’m still taken aback when I meet a random person who has been following our story.
NOTHING about this case and anything that has happened since is RANDOM - not the songs coming on the car radio or Pandora radio, not someone coming up in Starbucks and saying they knew Amanda, not the prisoner who allegedly wrote the letter, not Amanda's prayer that God would just use them in a really big way, not her "final journal entry", not the getaway car being dropped on a certain street, not Kenneth Wagner tweeting that he loves his WEEKLY convos with Davey. NONE OF IT.
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I nodded and smiled as I responded, “Oh wow! It’s great to meet you! Thank you so much for your support and your prayers. It truly means the world to us!”
I MUST NOT HAVE BEEN READY FOR WHAT WAS COMING NEXT.
“Yeah, I believe you would have met my husband, but you may not remember him. His name is Chris and he’s a Sergeant for the IMPD—the police department. He was one of the officers who responded to your 911 call the morning Amanda was killed.”
Maybe I’m growing too accustomed to running into people who are connected to our story, because while I thought that was certainly cool and even a bit providential that this family happened to be in the same class as Weston and I, the significance didn’t hit me until the next day as I’m dropping Weston off from school and Chris, Victoria and I walk our boys down the hallway together.
I'm reading this again - SERGEANT Chris - which narrows it down even more. The Sergeant's first names were T Michael and Mark. There was an Officer Carl and a Captain Craig and a Lieutenant Craig (first names).
Surely the name of an IMPD (you know, the police department) Sergeant named CHRIS who responded to Davey's 911 call that November 10th would have been documented in the Affidavit of Probable Cause or listed as one of the state's witnesses (or both!).
And about not being ready for what happened next - of course it was another AMAZING coincidence ! And now Victoria and "Chris" are part of the story and talking about watching God's master plan unfold - Victoria said it in the instagram comments.
Here's hoping God's master plan includes finding out the truth about what happened to Amanda that morning and finding out everyone who had anything to do with it or knew anything about it.
To whoever upthread said that Davey has a way of making even Weston's first day of preschool all about him - it's so true. Talking about Victoria and Chris being in the same class as Weston and I (not just their child being in Weston's class - DAVEY is not in a class !). That stupid sign that Meg made saying "when I grow up I want to be like my daddy" - like Weston really thinks that at his age. And if he ever finds out the truth about how his daddy treated his mommy while she was alive (even IF he had nothing whatsoever to do with her murder), he will not want to be like him anymore.
And yeah the syrupy, risk of sugar shock if you read it more than once, blog post was not written by a guy - and was totally trying to pull at MOPS heartstrings.
"He was one of the officers who responded to your 911 call the morning Amanda was killed."
Regardless of "Chris" responding or not, the blog authors' NTP is that Amanda was killed on the morning Davey made the 911 call. I believe that Amanda likely suffered critical injuries a day before the morning of 11/10/2015. The reported "head wound" was a strategically mapped out, carefully plotted ploy; a "masterpiece"; to conceal her true killer.
I didn't catch this - needing to persuade that the 911 call Tuesday morning was in the same timeframe as all of Amanda's wounds and injuries - i e that she was killed ON TUESDAY MORNING. I
It goes along with Davey documenting (by saying to Weston) in his blog "and that was the last time you saw her". What if Amanda didn't / couldn't tuck Weston into his crib and kiss him goodnight on Monday night because she was already incapacitated by then - but Davey needs to persuade that all was normal that Monday night.
Davey doesn't specify that Monday evening was the last time Weston saw Amanda. He says 'the night before she was killed', which could have been Sunday night. Also, he puts Weston "with" Amanda on Monday morning.
Amber says "Why did it have to happen in front of Weston?"
Amber and Davey both put Weston "with" Amanda at the point of "goodbye."
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Why does Elizabeth call it an "accident"?
Wonder if Chris knew Davey before Amanda was "killed" (the woman was MURDERED!).
Traders Point Christian Church | Facebook
https://www.facebook.com › Places › Whitestown, Indiana › Christian Church
... likes · 1103 talking about this. Traders Point is one church in multiple locations around the. ... Christopher Wilburn You blessed me brother! March 4 at 3:44pm.
Chris is a religious man and is affiliated with Grace Church in Indianapolis. He even sings the lead in a play " It's a beloved, award-winning musical about a man plagued by a crime he committed long ago. Now, someone known for catching criminals is actually playing the fugitive, Jean Valjean, in "Les Mis.""
http://fox59.com/2014/10/15/from-the-streets-to-the-stage-impd-officer-wilburn-performs-song-from-les-mis/
Victoria's Twitter is not private:
https://twitter.com/vandcwilburn?lang=en
Concerned and Trudy RE: Deleted Posts
In case you missed it- Peter posted on the Trump article blog post (if I remember correctly) that posts responding to a troll will be deleted. He doesn't want to encourage a senseless conversation as said posters merely post to inflame, irritate, annoy, demean, and devalue...adding nothing productive to the conversation and wasting everyone's time. Motivation and intent are evident; they're not interested in seeking truth nor in spurring others on to learning SA principles. Personal insults leveled at you, your intelligence level, or education are the hallmark of troll.
Christopher and Victoria are affiliated with Traders Point Church:
Victoria Wilburn @VandCWilburn Jul 22
183 years ago the congregation of @TradersPointCC was praying for the salvation of my family, that's a deep legacy! #freedom
Victoria Wilburn Retweeted
Aaron Brockett @AaronBrockett 11 Nov 2015
Asking you to join with me in prayer for my friend, Davey Blackburn and his son Weston. Yesterday… https://instagram.com/p/99hrRsPdt5/
0 replies 21 retweets 10 likes
It's obvious that Christopher and Victoria knew the Blackburn's before Amanda went to be with Jesus. Chris even led worship sometimes at Trader's Point Church, the same church that Amanda's bizarre "Celebration of Life" was held at:
Victoria Wilburn @VandCWilburn 24 Jan 2015
Chris helping lead worship this wknd, & this one & I are starting our journey vol. w/special needs. @TradersPointCC
Also, the Indy PD had several meeting with local leaders and pastors.
Victoria Wilburn Retweeted
aaronbrockettGreat meeting today with law enforcement, community leaders, and pastors discussing ethnic reconciliation in our churches and city. #onerace #onechurch #gracerelations
https://www.instagram.com/p/yKppBtPdpJ/
The guy that Victoria always retweets, Aaron Brockett, is a friend of Davey's. No wonder he was cleared "150%" the day after the murder. The police spokesperson is a very religious guy that hangs in the same circles as Pastor Davey:
Davey Blackburn
Last night a crew of us did the Passion WOD to remind us of the pain Jesus underwent and sacrifice He made for us on the cross. It's the Crossfit version of communion. So thankful for my @crossfitdash family for the community and inspiration they bring to my life. A special shoutout to @aaronbrockett for joining us! --------------
100 Double Unders
800m carry with 135lb
100 Burpees
https://www.instagram.com/p/BS6TZ4kFpsJ/?hl=en&taken-by=daveyblackburn
Victoria Wilburn Retweeted
Lindsey EatonVerified account @LindseyEatoNews 13 Nov 2015
"We never will be able to repair the damage to the Blackburn family but we will bring justice." @IMPD_News @FOX59
Aaron Brockett is the lead pastor of Trader's Point Church. It's obvious that Davey is connected to Indy LE.
AARON BROCKETT
Lead Pastor
A humble and passionate leader of Traders Point Christian Church, Aaron Brockett holds an undergraduate degree from Ozark Christian College in preaching and biblical studies, which is evident in his communication and ability to connect the Bible to real, everyday life. After serving in ministries around the country, Aaron and his family moved to Indianapolis in 2007 to serve at Traders Point.
Flight, at the time of the murder, I think Chris was the IMPD Public Information Officer. He was promoted to Sergeant later, according to Victoria's Twitter.
Wow. This comment section is amazing. Thank you, everyone. We don't always agree on things, (I think CD wrote that blog himself for sure) but hearing your opinions, deductions and predictions is fascinating. The link between crazy Davey and LE and the church, explains a lot. Since the beginning, people have questioned how crazy Davey could be so expeditiously ruled out (150%). Well that is clearer, now.
I haven't had any personal contact with crazy Davey in any way, (I have not commented on his blog,Twitter, fb etc) but in light of this recent blog; (specifically Weston's excessive urination, temper tantrums, difficulty in waking) I wonder if I should. These are all symptoms of diabetes. It's probably nothing, but.....diabetes.(?!)
Related is Westons consumption of fruit snacks:- (A fruit snack is a processed food eaten as a snack in the United States. Fruit snacks are very similar to gummi candies.[1] The main content is sugar, especially sugar derived from concentrated white grape juice and apple juice.[1] Some fruit snacks have more sugar than gummi candies.). which could be exacerbating his condition.
Am I worrying about nothing? Please tell me I'm worrying about nothing.
Davey - 'Maybe it was the terrifying memory of what happened the day before at the hour-long parent open house.'
Weston having a potty mishap was not the terrifying memory. That happened in the car and the parking lot, before they had gone into the hour-long parent open house.
What's likely to be most terrifying to Davey?
Weston wetting himself
Cop who has had some involvement in the case, at the school - who has a son who is in Weston's class
Happy Days - play dates - kid talk.
I think they all don't know each other very well - Davey likely didn't go to the church/community meetings - not in the early days - he was always all about Resonate, and insular, putting down other churches - God called Davey to Indy because no-one else was doing church like Davey does. Terrifying or terrified appeared twice in that blog post - he wasn't terrified that Amanda was murdered - he's not terrified about Weston not being able to manage pre-school without Daddy - he was terrified by the presence of the police officer, IMO - then he calmed down, when he realised he also was a parent, and now he's reassuring himself, and everyone else that he's not (really) worried.
Failure of any kind is terrifying...
Failure at growing a Resonate Megachurch resulted in Amanda's death (she died so the church could grow...)
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Is this a preschool that requires all children to be potty trained?
Wouldn't it be a jillion times easier to just keep using pull-ups instead of changing clothes all.the.time?
When they're ready, they're ready. No need to make everyone miserable when they're not fully mastered. You may 'fail' at the potty training brag session, but you will Ace having the easygoing kid who doesn't have toilet nightmares.
Good points, HJ.
He is sucking up to and flattering Mr. & Mrs. Wilburn, the 'cute young couple'. They are both older than Davey, Sgt. Wilburn by almost ten years! @@@@
Of course it would be easier to put Weston in pull ups, if he's not potty trained, especially in an unfamiliar area. Also, the idea of "bribing" a 3 year old with fruit snacks, to keep his pants dry is ludicrous. I'm still waiting for some reassurance about diabetes. Excessive urination is one of the first signs.
The toadying to the Willburns is so contrived. Look at how much space these strangers take up, in a blog about Westons first day at preschool. Paragraphs and paragraphs. It's totally out of whack. Especially considering crazy Davey didn't even speak to Westons teacher, on the first day. (Great parenting) Surely Mrs. G deserves at least a few sentences in a blog about Westons first day. We know more about the Willburns than Weston's teacher.
Why does he call the Willburns an "activist" family? What does Victoria do? Is she in LE? He praises both of them as "protectors". " people who show up when people need protection". He's really laying it on thick but they didn't protect Amanda. It's a bit like Vernal Kunz praising LE for not finding Deorr.
I note, too, there is no direct speech between Chris and Crazy Davey, which seems unusual. The social introduction of the "cute couple" is odd and incomplete.
"Maybe no one else at Weston’s school would see them as a symbol, but this morning as I was wrestling with feelings of [terror of being arrested ? and...] my son’s little life slipping out from under my grip, I certainly did."
A private preschool should not cause the terror of the "cruel dark world where there is so much potential for hurt, shame, embarrassment, ostracizing, marginalizing, and teasing" that DB needs to vent about on his lengthy blog.
IKR.. It's preschool for God's sake, not Thunder Dome.
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Maybe Weston becomes stressed when he's alone with demanding Davey, and more likely to have accidents. I think Davey sounded impatient and rushed - he had to wake Weston earlier than normally he wakes - Weston's school clothes weren't laid out, so he had to decide what he would wear, and spare clothes - Weston was cranky, and didn't want to be photographed Davey fed him treats on the way as an incentive not to wet himself - Davey believes Weston has bladder control - so does he think Weston has accidents at will? He 'pulled' Weston out of his car seat, the day before - impatient, or annoyed because he saw he was wet? Davey is anxious about how he is perceived as a parent, he is comparing Weston to three years old who are potty trained and reading Henry James - though intended humourously, he is keen that Weston should be on a developmental level with his peers - he is already putting them ahead of Weston. The potty issues are a source of annoyance to Davey - is he capable of patient dealing, not communicating his frustration to Weston, or does he exacerbate the problem through disapproval and rough handling? He 'pulled' him out of his car seat.
I think he is projecting an awful lot on to pre-schoolers? Is that projection or something else? For the most part, three year olds just want to have fun, playdough and stories - and their own way; he's seeing them as potentially a threat and quite malevolent towards Weston, who will, if allowed, probably make lots of friends, and be a popular kid, at least if his cheeky grin is anything to go by. Wondering if he will pull him out of pre-school, or change school, to avoid the daily reminder of the 911 call, and the possibility of having to make small talk with the activist 'family'. The four year old is an 'activist', too?
I find that blog post is concerning; should one be concerned by the sentence Bobcat posted at 2.08? - to me that sounds unexpected in relation to your child's first day at pre-school - I think he is overly possessive and anxious, in relation to Weston. His 'grip'. Well, hopefully he is just being a drama queen, and Weston will love pre-school and soon manage the potty.
I think Davey wants Weston to be the model/perfect three year old, as a reflection upon him and his parenting skills, and as he is not measuring up to Davey's expectations, mainly due to the potty mishaps, that makes Davey feel inadequate.
Another thing he slipped in there...he pulled Weston out of his car seat "to discover"
The same language he uses in finding Amanda in a messy condition.
Among the concerning terror, he is normalizing his use of 'to' if ever questioned, and again reinforcing the need for 911 on Tuesday the 10th.
Trudy, according to twitter, Victoria is a professor at IUPUI -Indiana's premier urban public research institution.
^ Indiana University–Purdue University Indianapolis
Chris Wilburn was not at Davey's home the morning of the murder. He was filming a movie in downtown Indy. This article has a picture of him that morning, filming the movie. Victoria lied or Davey lied.
"Advance Indiana, by chance, captured a couple of photos of the "Car 86" film crew filming a scene in the downtown area with Wilburn early on the morning of November 10, about the same time local Pastor Davey Blackburn reportedly returned to his northwest side home on Sunnyfield Court and discovered his wife, Amanda Blackburn, laying face down on the couple's living room floor in a pool of blood, dying from a head shot wound she suffered at the hands of a serial home invader, "
http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2015_11_01_archive.html?m=0
,^^ The advance Indiana blogger Gary Welsh was found dead in his Indy stairwell in April 2016.
^^ One of the comments after that article mentions that Wilburn's street duty resulted in two deaths. There were no supporting links provided, but I wouldn't be so sure about Weston being "protected" anywhere in Indy.
It seems Chris Wilburn is not only a police officer, he's also a model (and probably an actor).
http://www.helenwellsagency.com/portfolios/christopher-wilburn
I can see why Davey is terrified and kissing up. Praise law enforcement - it's something the guilty do.
Wilburn is bigger and stronger than Davey, likes to perform front and center, carries a gun, and IS the IMPD mouthpiece. Does he have a "need for respect"?
Wilburn used to live in the Boston area. Interestingly, the fox affiliate in Boston saw fit to publish this short story about a suspect that died in custody in Indianapolis. The article sounds like they don't believe the story...
http://www.fox25boston.com/news/indianapolis-police-say-suspect-dies-while-in-custody/20670188
Wilburn also lived in the Chicago area. Interestingly, the Chicago news writes an article about what sounds like vigilante justice in Indianapolis.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/midwest/ct-grand-canyon-hiking-grandfather-killed-20160110-story.html
This would be interesting for SA:
http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/news-opinion/my-gun-story-impd-cop/
My Gun Story: The IMPD Cop
February 25, 2015
Daniel S. Comiskey
Christopher Wilburn
In December 2012, officer Christopher Wilburn of IMPD responded to a call on the north side that would change two lives—his and that of the man he killed.
"It was a simple “secure the residence” call. You don’t get much information in advance with those, and they’re often the most deadly. I was in the area, so I arrived pretty quickly. I was met by the homeowner, who showed me a broken window near her door. Someone had climbed in, and it didn’t appear he had climbed back out. That’s when the hairs on the back of my neck went up: We had a caged intruder in the house. So I ushered the homeowner out and called for backup. My partner and I cleared the house and were finally met in the basement by the suspect. We saw him hiding under a bunch of coats in the corner. He was not obeying verbal commands, and at some point, he reached into his waistband. We perceived that to be a threat to our lives. I fired, striking him multiple times and killing him. It turned out he was not armed, which is where the guilt comes in. But there were multiple weapons and ammunition within close proximity. And officers don’t have time to debate why a person isn’t showing their hands in a dark basement.
When an officer is involved in a deadly shooting, Homicide is called to the scene. Witnesses are separated. The same procedures for a civilian shooting apply, but there are more of them. The process can last as long as a year. I was totally cleared for this incident.
After experiencing this and the emotional toll, some might hesitate to pull their gun again. You fear you’ll lose your home or be criminally charged. That can lead to deadly encounters for the officer in the future. I hope I would make the same decision if it ever happened again."
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Interesting, if unrelated to the Blackburn case, that Gary Welsh is referred to as a blogger, including by the police speaking of his death, rather than as an attorney - his blogging identity was significant - he was a whistleblower, and something of a conspiracy theorist, according to some, I read some of the comments, in which much dissatisfaction expressed that his death was immediately classed as a suicide, no investigation (really?) - while rumour has it he died from two gunshots to the back of his head. It's only rumour. Lots of comments that 'nobody commits suicide in a stairwell', and that he was ambushed entering or leaving his apartment. A blog post indicated that he might not be around to see the outcome of the election of the new president - some say that indicates he intended to kill himself, others that he believed he might be murdered. Poor guy, whichever - he was a dedicated blogger, intent on uncovering corruption in Indy - maybe he was too dedicated for the comfort of some.
They are wrong - some people do kill themselves in stairwells - I am thinking of Primo Levi, though he threw himself down a stairwell - at least allegedly.
Thanks for the dates, Bobcat.
Maybe Davey did ask for the police, but they sent the fire dept instead - maybe they were all at the site watching the movie being made. That's unlikely - weird though, that the young woman of the couple said her husband was a responding officer when he wasn't - if she did say that. Why would Davey lie - even if he had a reason, he would anticipate she would read his blog or hear about it from someone who did. That's curious.
He doesn't ever say he asked for the police, only that he called 911 - He would have no reason to ask for police if he thought, as claimed, Amanda was having a miscarriage. Though, actually, he didn't ever say that either - we cleaned his words up. What he said, on a couple of occasions, was that he thought 'something had gone horrifically wrong with the pregnancy.' Horrifically. Would suspecting miscarriage in the first trimester cause anyone to believe something had 'gone *horrifically* wrong'? It would be tragic, and awful, but would it be horrific? Is that expected? Would someone who didn't even want another baby at that time describe it as something 'gone horrifically wrong'? Then he goes on to say he thought they were 'just going to lose the baby'' which sounds like it was not so horrific to his mind, to 'just' lose the baby. IDK - what happened to Amanda altogether, to bring 'horrific' into his language in relation to 'just' losing the baby?
I watched his early interview again, where he deflected questions with talk of how much Amanda loved people, loved the unloveable, lived her whole life for Jesus, and how 'we feel' this, that, and the other, but Davey feeling for himself, no. So scripted, he was going to say those things regardless of what the interviewer asked - most striking still is his complete lack of outrage or distress for what Amanda went through.
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Amanda's organs were donated, or rather 'harvested', to use the term the reporter used - I thought they were, but then could not remember - I heard that yesterday on an early news piece when looking back at Davey's first interviews. How he can be so exuberant, so lacking in self-awareness is a mystery to me - his lack of regard for Amanda . - it's as if she didn't really exist to him.
Anon, thirteen days ago, said:
'I think Phil's language turns to the bible. In this case, Genesis.
"So God made the wildlife of the earth according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and creatures that crawl on the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good." '
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A problem there is that Amanda was not livestock, or a creature that crawled on the ground. Another problem is that if Amanda had been reduced to crawling on the ground like a creature, it would not have been according to her kind, or good. I don't see how Phil would find an association there with his daughter. It's all so disturbing, bearing in mind the 'blood smeared everywhere', and the possibility that Weston either witnessed what happened, or later made his way into the bloody scene.
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Bobcat - catching up slowly, This which you posted caught my eye:
'Amber says "Why did it have to happen in front of Weston?"'
I wonder do you remember where and when she said that, and if please you will post a link if you have one?
It that means what it appears to mean, confirming he never was asleep, in his crib, upstairs, the whole time - well, why did Davey keep saying otherwise. Maybe I leap to conclusions without context, and she is referring to something besides Amanda's murder - I have suspected for a long time that Weston was not asleep in his crib - upstairs.
HJ,
Amber said it during the podcast recorded in May. Transcript here:
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2017/07/52017-nothing-is-wasted-podcast-parts-1.html
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It makes me wonder, because both Davey and Amber have placed Amanda "with" Weston at the point of "goodbye". In Davey's words, that was Monday morning. I've also found possible indications in language that Amanda may have suffered crippling injuries ...[I pause and sigh and frown every time I think about the possibility :-( ]
Anyway, I don't know what ALSO may have happened in front of Weston on TUESDAY...
Here is the blog regarding the possible "crippling":
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2017/08/was-amanda-incapable-of-walking-before.html
HJ @ 10:04
Phil's statement about "crawling" makes me SICK. To use James' word, it's PUTRID. [frown]
It also was the tipping point which made me think the other quotes were more than just sensitivity indicators.
From DataLounge:
"you're insane and making such horrible statements about someone who is innocent and had [active or passive?] his wife and their unborn child murdered. You are disgusting. No I'm not Davey or a member of his church, just someone with common sense and not hung up on trying to be fucking Jessica Fletcher solving a case that has already been solved with tons of evidence against those in prison and none against Davey. If you feel so strongly about his guilt, please contact the Indianapolis police, I'm sure they'd love to have your assistance."
https://www.datalounge.com/thread/19181685--smoking-hot-pastor-s-wife-killed-after-failed-robbery-part-8 [see comment 129]
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Interesting use of "had". It reminds me of the inconsistent way Robin Byars used it here:
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2017/05/22017-faith-biblical-counseling.html
I’d had [active] my second cup of coffee, and, um, my phone went off [passive].
They had [active or passive?] some men come into their house to rob the home, and um, um they got her debit card.
We had [passive] people and friends fly in from all over and people came to love on us, and encourage us, and, um.
Thanks for all that, Bobcat - I'll listen to the podcast first.
I think in the second and third instances Robin uses 'had' to mean something which happened rather than something which was caused by Davey, and Robin/Phil, respectively. IDK, though - does she consistently use it in that way? I think there's not that much (comparatively) which has been said by Robin, so that might be difficult to determine.
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I noticed Robin's use of 'handicapped' and 'crippled' too - it is disturbing language, but I don't think it is unexpected in a grieving mother, as the death of a child creates such a sense of helplessness, the effects of which can be described as 'disabling' and 'crippling' - I have described it in those terms at times. 'Handicapped' seems the more used term in the US - here, that word fell out of use during the 1960s/70s, so it always sounds strange and 'unexpected' to me, but I don't think it is strange or unexpected for Robin to use it.
Phil's crawling things on the other hand - I don't get that, *unless*' as you say, he has knowledge that Amanda was crawling - which he might. If that was so, perhaps investigators have shared some forensic information with the family. They would want to know where was the blood which Davey described as 'smeared all around' - how high was it, whose it was - Phil may have asked for and been given that information. It could be that Phil has created an image in his mind of Amanda crawling from information shared. If so, it may be that when he now thinks of Amanda, his mind at times cannot help but go to crawling things - creatures. Amanda's murder was so violent that Jono did not recognise her, - it was an intentionally dehumanising murder - it seems from the references made to kicks in the teeth by at least Perry and Kenneth - not sure if anyone else? - that her teeth were likely kicked out. Amanda's condition, from Jono's account was monstrous. I should think, neither initially, would Phil or Robin have recognised Amanda. Is it not possible that trauma, memory of Amanda's condition, nightmares, and imagination combined could create an association with 'crawling things'?
I think Phil is a heartbroken, angry, grieving father, living with whatever guilt he does for having entrusted his daughter to Davey. I think they are a remarkable family, sustained by their faith, and it is that which enables them to keep on embracing Davey in what would, for most people in their circumstances, be an impossible life. Phil's anger towards Davey has been palpable at times, yet he contains it - somehow he has not 'reached out' to strangle him - that Davey left the door unlocked would, for other men, be reason enough in itself. I think Phil is a very gracious man.
Interesting, how views on Phil differ. I get the frustration at him, and all of them, for embracing Davey, but I also think it is only they, and perhaps a few others, who understand how they have determined to live their life - and they still love Davey - even if through gritted teeth, which I think must be the only way that could be sustainable.
I think, 'Trust in the Lord, and lean not on your own understanding' is a lot of what they are about, alomg with guarding Weston's interests.
Thanks for the podcast transcript, Bobcat.
Amber: I never doubted God. I think that’s what I was thinking. Questioning – I started to think through, like, some of the questions that I had, um. And, I think the biggest one for me was, um, why did it have to happen the way that it happened. And so, like if you’re gonna take Amanda, like, if you’re gonna, couldn’t you have like, picked something else? Like, anything else, um, which is hard because I think if it happened another way, I probably would have felt the same way. Like, did it have to be that, you know? Did it have to be in her home, in front of Weston (37:39). I mean I know he was upstairs but did Weston have to be there? Um, I, the, ugh! I hate the fact that she was pregnant. It, like. I just remember thinking, if you knew - God knew - um, she was going t-, this was gonna happen, why did you even let them get pregnant? Like why did it have to be, both of them, and, so, I mean, why w-. And, and even, of course I’m like, why did you choose, Amanda?
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'In front of Weston' came out first.
I think it's reasonable to continue to suspect that Weston's handprints, footprints (remember the 'sound' of little 'footprints' on the stairs - said by Amber, some time earlier - she meant foot-steps, but 'footprints' came out instead). showed up in blood, that he had been downstairs before he was asleep, in his crib, upstairs - even if an attempt was made to clean up a trail, luminol would reveal where any blood had been - I think they would only have used it if they suspected an attempt to clean up. Investigators returned in the evening of the day the house had been cleaned, as I recall - if there were prints, they would still have shown up, and it's interesting they returned for further investigation, as the scene would already have been well documented. So, there was a reason they returned, something did not sit right with them between the scene and the story? The family knows if Weston was cleaned up and put in his crib before Davey called 911 (as soon as he could), but they are humouring Davey in his narrative while they must? Well, if he did that, it would be a slam dunk that he was guilty.... At least of interfering with a crime scene - though of course, he claims he didn't realise it was a crime scene. The only logical reason to deny such knowledge, seems to me, because he needed to plead ignorance. Some things looked out of place. He could talk, or have believed he had talked his way out of interfering - he could have said he couldn't leave Weston in that state, or distress the rest of the family by leaving the 'blood smeared everywhere' or saying Weston had been with Amanda - plus he didn't know it was a crime scene, just something had gone 'horrifically' wrong with pregnancy, so he had acted in all innocence. It could have gone like that, and that would make explicable his denial of knowledge there had been a crime. Plus, he did say his worst nightmare was 'sitting' on the floor when he walked into the house. Amanda was not sitting, and Amanda's death does not appear to have been a nightmare to Davey, at least not in the early interview days. Either way, if he was referring to Weston or Amanda, it is unfortunate for him to have said that.
I really can't wrap my head around Amanda's family support and canoodling with Davey, even if somehow they knew that Davey had nothing to do with Amanda's murder. His behavior alone gives them a pass from supporting him. The way he brushed her death off and started a full out marketing campaign before she was off the ventilators was so disturbing. The crazy blogs he keeps posting saying Amanda died at the perfect time and he never asks for his mom, only Davey. The post where he actually said, "sure Amanda died but...". The tweet saying Amanda wasn't well-read or well-traveled. Davey getting up at Phil's church and calling them a bunch of dead bones that required God having to let Amanda die so they could come alive spiritually. The evil gun sermon posted a few days after Amanda was gunned down ALONE would be enough for the family to absolutely despise Davey. WHY are they supporting and vacationing with him? Either they are covering up for him and trying to make the best of a horrid situation (which is not ok to protect a criminal) or they are blind to all he is saying and doing? Do they not notice his complete change in appearance, his new toys, the big McMansion, Meg moving in Amanda's spot. It is mind boggling to me!
Bobcat, that same Datalounge poster has been following that thread since the beginning and throwing shade anytime someone points out another inconsistency. The continued use of the term "fuck" would have me think it's not one of the parents. From 2016:
There is ZERO evidence that Davey was involved with this. Stop trying to be Jessica Fletcher, Jr. and breaking a case. Move the fuck on and stop being so delusional, cuz you are.
—Anonymous
reply 244
03/09/2016
https://www.instagram.com/p/BYLgsYWlyEn/?hl=en&taken-by=daveyblackburn
This latest pic of Weston and that syrupy blog. Gag me! Who puts their child wants to grow up to be like them on a back to school sign? That is just the most obnoxious thing I have seen in a long time. IMO, it is just another slap in the face to Amanda. She is erased from the picture, he gets to raise Weston exactly the way he wants to and hey look, Weston wants to be just like him! In the blog, instead of spending so much time talking about how Weston didn't cooperate and peed on himself 3 times, why not say something like how much Amanda would have loved to have shared that moment. How much better for Weston. She would have made it super special for him and it would have been a great moment for her. Weston's anxiety is obviously high to have all of the accidents. (I adopted a child at almost Weston's age and his anxiety was high because he was left alone in dark hotel rooms constantly prior to coming to our home. He peed on himself all of the time due to his anxiety.) Weston's life is going to be very hard. Davey can try to pretend that Weston is just fine without Amanda but that is never going to be true. He wants to prop Weston up to make himself look like he is super busy, super pastor, super important, and still a doting dad but the cracks in the dad facade are obvious. Davey also posts tons of instavideos of himself and Weston. You can tell Weston doesn't want to be on camera. He covers his head sometimes. Davey is too dense to see. Poor Weston. Pretend all day long Davey that Amanda died at the perfect time but Weston has a hard road head and so do you.
ZERO... One of Perry's (and angry anon/Brenda) favorite numbers to use in his many insults.
If the dark lord Noble has influence (#dontgiveup) over the Byars, it could explain their utter defeatedness.
Bobcat, your SA skills are truly lacking. You have the wrong anon....again. I don't use the F bomb. I have said on other occasions that there is zero evidence against Davey. In that, the F bomb anon and I agree.
Bingo (and others), how did Davey "brush off" Amanda's death? Does it ever occur to you geniuses that you don't have the entire story? What you could see and interpret in your unique way, isn't everything that is happening. The Byars spend time with DB that you have no clue about. People often say and do things publicly that don't fully represent them and the circumstances.
You failed sleuths are so focused on Davey, you don't give a rat's A who is really guilty. There is no evidence against Davey. You have shown no evidence. All you losers here can do is offer speculation and interpretation based upon your own limited experience, then, you call it evidence.
The angry Jessica Fletcher poster at Dataloune that has been hounding anyone who says DB is guilty has quite a history of zero evidence posts. The poster also calls itself the "Tooth Fairy" on several occasions. One of the posts by angry Jessica Fletcher mentions milkshakes. Milkshakes have a definite history in the Davey/Amanda relationship saga.
You all need to go to McDonald's and get a milkshake, because you're grasping for straws.
There is no evidence tying DB to his wife's murder. Stop trying to be a modern-day Jessica Fletcher. A lot of angry people on this thread who can't deal with anyone questioning their wild imaginations. Up your meds.
—Anonymous
reply 367
11/28/2015
seriously, please let it go. Life is too short for you to be wasting your time imagining things about someone you don't know. You don't trust him? He doesn't give a fuck because he doesn't know you and never will. Another man was murder by this same guy who murdered Amanda, yet you're not trying to put imaginary puzzle pieces together about his murder because his relatives aren't as famous and noted on social media as Davey, but that guy died just as random as Amanda. You're not Jessica Fletcher and going to somehow crack this case to prove Davey did it. He didn't, the evidence is overwhelming that the 3 strangers who have been arrested are the guys who did it.
—Anonymous
reply 598
06/05/2016
LMAO, they have a ton of evidence the 3 guys did it. None that Davey was involved. Please go back to your delusions about other things. You ain't Jessica Fletcher on this one, fools.
—Anonymous
reply 86
08/14/2017
[R322], he has been proven innocent by law enforcement having evidence proving the guilt of others. Simpleton, much?
—Truth Fairy
reply 331
11/27/2015
Starting with the gun-waving sermon, what did Davey and Amanda do on the 8th and 9th?
Starting with Amber's documented return flight to Indiana/Illinois (she doesn't specify), what did Amber and Amanda do up until the morning of the 10th?
Will phone records support the stories?
Also from Datalounge was the FB links to Davey et al. The links no longer work but the written trail is still there:
MaggieNovember 27, 2015 at 12:42 PM
"Just looking through Facebook - a female friend of Alonzo Bull is also a friend of someone listed as a friend to DB. Interesting."
and...
"DB is friends with someone named TRJ who is friends with a girl BW. BW is also friends with Alonzo. Don't know how much more I can post.
AnonymousNovember 27, 2015 at 2:27 PM
TRJ also has Davey Blackburn in his friends list. . . Reply AnonymousNovember 27, 2015 at 2:28 PM
Alonzo and the guy on Davey's friend list....it says they have 171 mutual friend...hmm, that's interesting.
https://www.facebook.com/friendship/100005889694465/treezy.jones.3/
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The angry Jessica Fletcher poster at Dataloune that has been hounding anyone who says DB is guilty has quite a history of zero evidence posts.
Haha!
Yeah, good grief....evidence, of all things! Such a pesky little detail. Who needs it??
Anon @2:28, Davey's conflicting statements are collateral evidence. There is a boatload of circumstantial evidence against Davey. The huge life insurance policy is motive. One of the thugs talking would just be icing on the cake (or should I say whipped cream on the milkshake *wink*wink)
Evidence of alibi setting and a coverup?
Like provenance of the Trader's Point Video, and original date and time stamp on Amber's photo of the kids at Trader's Point?
Bobcat, supposedly Amanda went home and journaled about the fantastic life changing sermon that she was able to see with her own eyes. I have a really hard time believing that Amanda loved that sermon. I also doubt that there was a lot of life change in that auditorium from a sermon that discussed teeth getting knocked out and Davey shooting a gun at a dude. And the poster that asked why we think Davey brushed off the murder and moved on? Well, there are so many things but posting the gun sermon to Resonate's website of Davey shooting someone over and over right after his wife was brutally murdered by gun shot. That alone with nothing else showed that he cared nothing for his wife and what happened to her. Who would do that? The sermon should have been canned and never shown again.
My mistake at 2:01. Amber wrote that her return flight was to Indianapolis on Sunday the 8th.
It's impressive that you armchair detectives have been able to do what LE detectives cannot. Why, you can take the most rudimentary information that only the entire public has available to them and determine that Davey is guilty of murder. LE, on the other hand, has access to so much more evidence .... things that we can't imagine, and yet, somehow, detectives are missing that Davey murdered Amanda.
LE obviously does not read here, or they would notice all your imaginative theories and open their eyes! But, if they do read here, they must not put much stock in your many theories (or SA, itself), because they aren't following any of these leads. If they are investigating your leads (do they wake up every morning and read here to see what you two or three geniuses have imagined for the day?), so far, none of those "leads" have had results.
Darn LE. Just because their evidence doesn't support your incredible fiction writing, they could still go after Davey because you three know far more than all LE does. They somehow seem to miss that. Imagine that.
Isn't it impressive that you three or four armchair detectives can determine Davey's guilt by knowing nothing more than public information? Meanwhile, LE detectives who have access to evidence we can't even imagine, are unable to link DB to the murder.
Amazing. How can this be? If LE reads here, they have to see all the imaginative theories you three geniuses come up with. Either detectives don't read here, or they are following and investigating your every lead only to come up with nothing.
Bumbling incompetents.
The anonymous armchair detective analyst (who hangs on our every word?) apparently does not like attention called to Amber's return flight into Indianapolis on Sunday the 8th.
Why did Amber return early from the family trip to California ?
Why did she fly into Indianapolis instead of whichever airport they used for the outbound flight ?
I think it was Jono's blog that indicates Amanda's parents had finally arrived at Methodist after catching a return flight and having to drive down to Indy (from Chicago?)
Would the whole family have flown together from and to the same airports for this nice family trip ? When Amber arrived (if it was indeed on Sunday), Amanda was still *supposed to be* ok and unharmed - what would be a reason for her to break away from her family and return early into an airport so much farther from her home ?
Amber may have flown in and out of Indy for logistic reasons. Mamaw's house is closer to Indy, and that's where her daughters were supposedly staying.
Do the travel records and phone movements support that story?
Again.....I'm simply amazed that LE doesn't catch on to things the way you three do. Do they even read here??? How can they just overlook all this clear "evidence"?
There are far more than three people discussing this case on this board and DataLounge and others.
How to quell some of our discussion ?
Please give a solid explanation of how Davey can keep saying - after all of the descriptions given of the crime scene in the Affidavit of Probable Cause and of Amanda's condition/appearance in his brother Jono's blog and in the APC -
(1) that he had no idea anyone had been in his house
and
(2) that he honestly thought Amanda's injuries and beating were the result of a miscarriage (expressed by him in different words).
The refusal of anyone to answer these questions and explain Davey's conflicting statements is evidence that there is something to hide - and/or that these statements were necessary to support what was said and (more importantly) not said in Davey's 911 call.
I'm not trying to quell conversation. Why would you think that? Discuss all you want; I enjoy reading it because it's so easy to punch holes through it. If a person points out your inconsistencies, do you melt? You seem to be very sensitive to any disagreement.
Again, I will ask....do you think there's any possibility at all that LE has checked out everything you three (and no, HERE, few people are discussing it) people conjecture here? Do you think everything you mention here is factual and evidential, or is it more your interpretations generated from a specific point of view? Do you think LE reads here? If they do, why don't they pay much attention to your theories? Do you think they just don't take them seriously, or is it possible they have MUCH more knowledge of the crime, including evidence, you have no access to?
Why do you think you know and LE doesn't?
Good Anon @6:50. Since you're not trying to quell our conversations and you're not going to answer any of our questions, we'll continue with our discussions and we won't answer any of your questions either. So stop asking them. Okay? Okay.
Sincerely,
MsDp.
I've answered your questions over the course of months, but you won't....you can't answer mine.
4.29, probably in the same way as they "overlook clear evidence" in countless other cases. To hear you bang on (and on and on) you'd think that LE were infallible, and nobody ever gets away with murder. can I have a ride on your unicorn?
I wonder why LE is overlooking all the clear evidence of jessica and vernal Kunz being responsible for DeOrr's disappearance. Are they bumbling incompetents, too, Angry anon? Why did it take 5 years for Mark Redwine to be arrested? Bumbling incompetents, again? Your question "do you think you know more than LE" is no. Please don't ask again. You've asked about 50 times and you keep getting the same response. Even Peter answered you, directly. The answer is no. Understand?
As to why crazy Davey has not been named a suspect in his wife's murder, and arrested yet, I don't know. Sometimes it takes a while for the guilty to come to justice. It happens. In some cases people get away with murder.
PS. As it is not my job (or anyone else's here) to make gather evidence, make arrests and levy justice, it is moronic of you to insist that discussing Amanda Blackburns murder makes me a bumbling incompetent. That's more on you, troll.
I want to hear crazy Davey's 911 call so much. I wonder why they won't release it. LE says it's part of the ongoing investigation. Investigation into who, I wonder. Sigh. Sadly, LE has evidence of the crime that we don't have access to. (Heh, see what I did there, angry Anon?) when it is finally released - fingers crossed - I'll be interested to see how close it is to the predictions made here. (Salutation, asks for help from himself, ingratiating, says thank you and/or sorry, improper social introduction of Amanda, repeats questions, gives alibi, laughs, fails to ask for help for victim, misdirection re: pregnancy, subtle disparagement of victim etc etc.)
Trudy said....
...anyone else's here) to make gather evidence, make arrests and levy justice, it is moronic of you to insist that discussing Amanda Blackburns murder makes me a bumbling incompetent. That's more on you, troll.
Trudy, I didn't say you were a bumbling incompetent (although you and the other two here are, with your inane theories). I was speaking of the obvious bumbling incompetence of LE. The fact they can't recognize DB's guilt with all the evidence (that we know nothing of) they have is puzzling. I mean, you three here, who have access to only public information, are able to use that alone and arrive at your guilty conclusion.
You are geniuses. LE are bumbling incompetents. Right?
Anonymous said...
4.29, probably in the same way as they "overlook clear evidence" in countless other cases. To hear you bang on (and on and on) you'd think that LE were infallible, and nobody ever gets away with murder. can I have a ride on your unicorn?
August 27, 2017 at 8:39 PM
And where is your clear evidence against DB?
Again, I ask, if you think the drivel presented here is so incriminating, why does LE, upon reading here, not agree with you? Oh wait.....do you suppose it's possible they don't take you three very seriously?
Oh, BTW, the difference between DB and Redwine, Kunz, etc., is Davey has never been a suspect.. There has never even been evidence to make him one. LE has never named him a person of suspicion. No evidence.
Big difference.
Isn't it impressive that you three or four armchair detectives can determine Davey's guilt by knowing nothing more than public information? Meanwhile, LE detectives who have access to evidence we can't even imagine, are unable to link DB to the murder.
Amazing. How can this be? If LE reads here, they have to see all the imaginative theories you three geniuses come up with. Either detectives don't read here, or they are following and investigating your every lead only to come up with nothing.
Bumbling incompetents.
Anon @ 5:05,
"Davey has never been a suspect.."
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He was the very first suspect.
Davey: "You gotta understand that, immediately before they arrested everybody, I was the first suspect. And even after the investigators said ‘OK, he’s totally not the suspect, at all’; and released that publicly, Megyn Kelly, on Fox, and Judge Jeanine Shapiro went on and said the husband is a suspect. Everyone needs to look there."
CLEARED...
Police now say they have cleared Amanda Blackburn's husband Davey, on any involvement in her murder.
Eyewitness News has confirmed the husband of the pregnant mother killed in a home invasion has been cleared in her death.
After talking to Amanda’s husband, detectives told Eyewitness News that Pastor Blackburn is 100% cleared of any suspicion in this case.
Police said Davey Blackburn has been "100% cleared" in the investigation.
Detectives cleared Pastor Blackburn early on, saying video confirms his whereabouts at the time of the murder.
RULED OUT
Police officers wanted to tell me last night, and they wanted to emphasize this. The officer I even spoke with said: 'We are 100, we are 150% ruling out Davey Blackburn as a suspect in this case.'
Just days after the killing, police quickly ruled her husband, Davey Blackburn, had no part in the killing.
NOT A PERSON OF INTEREST...
Attorney and Fox News anchor Gregg Jarrett emphasized that the pastor is not a person of interest, but must be investigated because in so many cases, husbands and boyfriends are involved when a female is murdered.
A source told PEOPLE that Blackburn is not CURRENTLY listed as a suspect in his wife’s murder, but that detectives have yet to rule out anyone as their investigation continues.
police said they were withholding some information about the case as a way to protect the investigation. The 911 call has not been released.
OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS...
Indianapolis Metro Police Sgt. Kendale Adams told ABC News that neither her husband nor any other family members are suspects, and investigators have obtained time-stamped surveillance footage from a local LA Fitness that shows Davey Blackburn arriving and leaving the gym that morning.
Police tell us, ABC News that no family member is a suspect right now.
Amber didn't share her perfect happy memory of November 9th until eight weeks later and she had an 'alibi' video to share.
Ashley didn't share this photo until January 10.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10206043269227811&set=a.3065014471376.2125562.1443930430&type=3&theater
Need To Persuade?
It was taken November 6
On Friday night, when this picture was taken
Tagged: Dalton Wilson, Megan Griffith, Emily Shilts, Kent Shilts, Zach Woolever, Tommy Travis, Lauren Ann Woolever, Amanda Grace Blackburn, Derek Barrett, Ryan Elisa Neal, Travis Andrea Arnold, Amber Byars Wilkinson, Robin Byars and Leah Nicole Wilson.
I had forgotten about the post from Ashley. Something about Jesus preparing their hearts for Amanda's murder just rubs me the wrong way. Are they saying God was planning her horrific slaughter murder while tenderly caring about everyone around her? Davey most especially. Amanda's murder was all about his selfish self. God prepared his heart with Levi Lusko video. God protected DB from really knowing what went down in the house that morning. Sure, Amanda died but it has given him more passion and influence. All about Davey, Davey, Davey. Amanda is like this sacrificial lamb for the rise of Crazy Davey. Even her funeral was all about him. Every picture around her casket included Davey. No pics of any of her friends or her by herself. His profession is listed in her obituary. I really think we need to start a memorial page for her. No one else seems to really care about HER life especially not her douche of a husband.
‘OK, he’s totally not the suspect, at all’
Well, I think Davey might have edited the investigators' words there.
Good analysis of why Davey should have been (should be) investigated and not cleared. Helps that Davey knew members of LE and that many in LE are very religious and obviously don't think a pastor could do this.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/11/18/should-indiana-pastor-be-cleared-murder-pregnant-wife
On some post above, did I see that Davey was actually already friends with the lady (first responders wife) he said introduced herself to him at the preschool? If so, Why is Davey lying about just meeting her? Also, was it really proven that the responder wasn't actually there at the scene? This case just keeps getting stranger and stranger if this is what I read? Anyone?
Bingo, here is what he wrotes:
'The day before at the open house, I walked into a room full of chatting adults and wondered if I was the only new parent who didn’t know anyone in this school community. I grabbed a cup of coffee and began meandering around the room to scout for someone who looked like they needed a conversation buddy too. Here I was learning how to help my son get adjusted to a new school environment and I felt like the new kid in a new town attending a new school.
As I circled around the room I heard a voice in front of me, “Davey?” It was Victoria.
“Hello?” I responded searching her face for a memory of some sort. Had I met this girl before? How did she know my name?
“My name’s Victoria. We go to Trader’s Point Church—where Amanda’s celebration of life service was. My husband and I have been following your story since the beginning. My little boy, Jude, is in Weston’s . . . uh, it’s Weston right? Weston’s class.” No matter how many times it occurs in a given week, I’m still taken aback when I meet a random person who has been following our story.
I nodded and smiled as I responded, “Oh wow! It’s great to meet you! Thank you so much for your support and your prayers. It truly means the world to us!”
I MUST NOT HAVE BEEN READY FOR WHAT WAS COMING NEXT.
“Yeah, I believe you would have met my husband, but you may not remember him. His name is Chris and he’s a Sergeant for the IMPD—the police department. He was one of the officers who responded to your 911 call the morning Amanda was killed.”
Maybe I’m growing too accustomed to running into people who are connected to our story, because while I thought that was certainly cool and even a bit providential that this family happened to be in the same class as Weston and I, the significance didn’t hit me until the next day as I’m dropping Weston off from school and Chris, Victoria and I walk our boys down the hallway together.'
It might be unexpected he writes 'It was Victoria.' - as though he already knew her name - or it could be that he just uses her name because by the time he writes, he knew what her name was. I wouldn't write it that way - in context, at that point, he did not know her name, yet he uses it, which gives the impression he already knew her name. Maybe he did, and pretended not to know, or just clumsy phrasing. iDK. In his position, he would meet so many people and not necessarily remember them unless they introduced themselves again and said where previously they had met. She doesn't say they previously had met, or that she or her husband attended Amanda's memorial - she says she and her husband had been following his story from the beginning. She gives the impression she is not sure of Weston's name, when, as they have been following the story, they would know for sure was Weston. I think polite, strained conversation - what shall I say next, oh, check his little boy's name, sort of thing.
He's so manipulatively assuming - 'thank you fso much or your support and your prayers.' Well, she had only said she was following his story, not that she was necessarily also believing and supporting him in it.
'Random' - he maybe was aware of police officers and their families in Trader's Point church.
Maybe by 'responded', she meant her husband had 'responded' within his own role - spokesperson/publicity? - rather than as a first responder - there is an interview with him on YouTube - he was involved early on, but I forget what was his title/role.
^^ 'thank you fso much or your support and your prayers.'. - typo, should have been. ' thank you so much for your support and prayers'
Thanks Hey Jude. I thought someone posted that Victoria tweeted or facebooked right after it happened and said Praying for my friend Davey." I may be just dreaming all of this!?
She didn't need to introduce herself - might have been interested in his reaction. Uncomfortable making, I'd say. '
'It truly means the world to us!' What truly means the world to 'us'? The support and prayers he claims, but which he does not say she offered. They have been following his story from the beginning. Their son is in Weston's class. It's Weston's class. Do parents naturally say that - does your son belong in the other child's class, does the other belong in your son's class, or are they both in the same class? Whoever put it that way, Weston is given precedence over the other, older little boy, and it's Weston's class rather than the teacher's class. :). Well, interesting. I wonder whose choice of words that was - Victoria's, or Davey's in the re-telling. I wonder how much Davey spins and tweaks what other' actually said. Quite a bit, if 'Okay, he is totally not the suspect, at all' Is anything to go by, I should think.
As John Girton would say, it's just a minor embellishment to enhance the story.
I missed or overlooked that, Bingo.
Well, that is curious - yes. Makes me more inclined to 'It was Victoria' appearing where it did because he did already know her name. It could be he had seen her FB post at the time though, and didn't really know or remember her much. She might have called him 'friend' if they'd met once or twice, he might not have had a clear recollection of who she was. iDK, though - sounds like I am making excuses for him.
A court just ruled that Facebook friends are not real friends, so there's always a get out clause. Don't know if that is backdated and applicable to all FB friends, at all times and in all places. I didn't read the article, only the headline. :).
"Praying for my friend Davey". - I don't know about Victoria, but there are many people who can't resist associating themselves with a local news story. Anyone can describe a pastor as their friend, they probably all have many 'friends' with whom they have had very little engagement, and wouldn't recall, unless reminded.
I don't think that Davey and Victoria may previously have met means police corruption and a cover-up. She knows who Davey is, everyone local must, and he probably is playing ignorant about remembering her, because he was disconcerted - he probably panicked to see her, the next day, her police officer husband at the school - worse their activist four year old son is 'in Weston's class'. Happy Days. :) Weston soon will be invited for a play-date - I bet Davey can't wait.
If Victoria actually said her husband was "one of the officers who responded to your 911 call" - then that gives the impression that Sergeant Chris Wilburn was on the scene in the Blackburn house as one of the first IMPD officers to walk in after Davey called 911 as soon as he could.
On the morning Amanda was killed (and I don't think for one second that Victoria would have used that abrupt of language to refer to that morning when introducing herself to Davey supposedly for the first time) - Chris Wilburn was a spokesperson for the IMPD, since promoted to Sergeant if I understand correctly.If Victoria actually said her husband was "one of the officers who responded to your 911 call" - then that gives the impression that Sergeant Chris Wilburn was on the scene in the Blackburn house as one of the first IMPD officers to walk in after Davey called 911 as soon as he could.
On the morning Amanda was killed (and I don't think for one second that Victoria would have used that abrupt of language to refer to that morning when introducing herself to Davey supposedly for the first time) - Chris Wilburn was a spokesperson for the IMPD, since promoted to Sergeant if I understand correctly.
The names of the IMPD officers who entered the Blackburn house and canvassed the neighborhood are documented in the APC - Chris Wilburn was NOT listed. He is also an actor and he was elsewhere filming a scene for a movie at the time - nowhere close to the Blackburn house - as noted by the Advance Indiana blogger and investigative reporter who was mysteriously found dead in April 2016.
And yes Victoria would have known it was Weston and not have to confirm the name - nor would she have had to clarify to Davey that Trader's Point church was where Amanda's celebration of life service was held - he was well aware of that.
Storytelling.
Whoever wrote the blog would have done better to not voice it in "Victoria's' words" in quotes as though she ACTUALLY spoke those words verbatim.
If the story (the untruthful story also known as a flat-out lie) about Victoria's husband being a responder to 911 call on the morning Amanda was killed and how cool is it that their child is in the EXACT same preschool class as what's his name - it's Weston, right? was to be told, it would have rang more true if told as though Davey was explaining it to his readers - not as though Victoria was explaining it to Davey.
Davey knew Victoria - as to why he is acting all like "who was this girl, do I know her? - was she maybe someone who did my makeup for one of my media blitz interviews ?" - I have no idea. But it makes for a more compelling story right? - just as with the many (SO many) other RANDOM coincidences Davey points out.
And why lie about Chris Wilburn being one of those who,responded to the 911 call - giving the impression that he was.a first responder is very different than fact that he was an IMPD spokesperson being the mouthpiece and giving media updates? Because it makes a cooler story - see the dots the Lord is connecting here?
Unless Victoria was saying Chris was one of the responders to let Davey know that her husband had eyes on the scene at Davey's house that morning and that he (and she) know that the scene could never be mistaken for a miscarriage and that there had obviously been a home invasion (or staging as one).
god/Providence/the Lord/jeezus is always whispering to and connecting dots for Davey.
Signs and wonders... Davey has to keep publishing a steady stream to keep the ever ready tears springing to his readers wool blocked eyes.
- he probably panicked to see her, the next day, her police officer husband at the school - worse their activist four year old son is 'in Weston's class'. Happy Days. :) Weston soon will be invited for a play-date - I bet Davey can't wait.
Maybe it really is possible that Victoria knows what Davey has been repeating about not knowing anyone had been in his house and honestly thinking all that had happened to Amanda was that they probably just lost the baby right here but if we get her to the hospital she'll be ok...
And she is playing with Davey's mind letting him think that her IMPD Sergeant husband was there that morning and that he saw what Davey walked in to find....ALL of it
Everyone knows that Davey is not being truthful about everything he saw and everything he thought when he walked in that morning. He may be being truthful about seeing his worst nightmare sitting (not lying) right in front of him - if Weston really had not stayed upstairs and cooed behind the still-closed door the whole time.
Davey talking about seeing Victoria after she called him Davey - "Who is this girl - how does she know my name ?"
Seriously ? How do you think she knows your name, crossfit boy ?
Davey ensured that probably everyone in Indy (and he hoped across th-the nation and uh, even the world) would know him, his church, his face - by going public with his media blitz immediately after the murder and now continuing to instagram and blog and tweet and appear at various random churches and other venues telling HIS story.
Who couldn't pick Davey Blackburn out of a lineup ?
I was trying to read it as though he were giving her a truthful account, and thinking how it could be truthful - but he does give the impression that Chris Wilburn was a responding officer, or rather he causes Victoria to say that. and that her son is in Weston's class. And without saying it, as she must not have said anything he could actually misquote, he puts prayer AND support for him into her words. Chris Wilburn must have been at the house at some point that morning for either of them to be able to say he responded to the 911 call - perhaps he went later - but he still 'responded' - many would have gone there, perhaps not all on the record?
Perhaps she wanted to spook him. I can't see he would write that it if it was not more or less what she had said, especially as he would know she would be likely to read it. He can brazenly assume prayers and support, it's a lot different to putting a police officer where he wasn't, and saying she said it. So, I think she said it... Like she approached him - she didn't need to introduce herself. She wanted to weigh him, and see his reaction? That's how it looks to me. Davey does exaggerate, stretch and twist the truth, especially when he's ad lobbing - he's writing though, in the knowledge Victoria is likely to read it, so - IDK.
Well, what do Chris and Victoria say at home when they talk about Davey to one another? 'No suspicions, poor Davey, he's totally not the suspect, at all' - doubtful. What does Davey fear they think? I think it's all there, and he's projecting the suspicions he thinks they have, or might have (and those of other parents), onto the kids who will be Weston's friends (if he lets them).
^as though he were giving a truthful account^.
^ad libbing^. - (though it seems like he is lobbying...)
Yes, of course Davey knew that Victoria would know who he was - all the parents must know, which is why he is so worried and projecting onto their kids. how he thinks the parents are likely to feel towards him - IMO. Plus he's bound to be worried about, 'My dad said your dad...'. type conversations, though he is ahead of Weston's time.
Quotes as Puzzle Pieces...
Davey: God I, I feel like your promises, the dreams that you put in my heart for Amanda and I. I feel like they failed.
Perry Noble: His life is falling apart. His wife is telling him, ‘Give up.’ Everything is stacked against him.
Davey: ‘Cause the thing that was most important to me in my life was taken from me.
After November, I would have given up.
Ken Wagner: One thing you need to know about our family is that we, we are a family that likes to compete and we are a family that likes to win. there’s one particular family member who … was about ready to get knocked off the face of the world, in the game of Risk, and right before the last kinda dice was thrown there, he got up and he says he “accidentally” knocked the corner. All the pieces went off, and then we said, “Dude, you lost”. And he goes “We’ll never know, we will never know what woulda happened here”.
Davey: There's a different enemy that has - has orchestrated all this - it's Satan himself.
Derek Barrett: Now we thank you (Jesus) that you were there, that you’re for us, even, as we’re singing, even when our eyes can’t see. … That you order our steps. That you orchestrate our moves.
Ashley Barrett: (11/6/15) It seems as though Jesus was preparing her heart. I'm not saying that she knew what would transpire in the next few (FEW = two or three days, ending 11/9/15) days, but that Jesus was pulling her closer to Himself, and that she had reached a level of unity and intimacy with Jesus like some of us so long and strive for. I'm so thankful for that moment that we all shared as a team. And I believe that Jesus was preparing each of us as well for the impossible road ahead.
Jeremy Hendricks: Something none of us saw coming.
Perry Noble: Every person in this room, has had a, ‘Oh, come on.’ moment. And, and, and they, they, they, they differ.
None of us this time last week (Sunday November 8, 2015) planned on being here, tonight. No one.
Elizabeth Enfield Henderson: Little did I know, 24 hours later I would receive a phone call that would rock my world.
Davey: The word shepherd doesn’t mean anything to us, so I wanna change that to the word boss, because we ‘get’ boss. Because bosses direct us, and although sometimes you may have an evil boss, or you may have a boss that you don’t like. Bosses hand out orders, and you keep your job when you follow the orders of your boss. Our God is a perfect boss that always has perfect plans that when He directs us into his perfect plan and we follow those orders look what happens. I Shall Not Want.
The Monday morning before, so that Monday was the last day I had with her. And I remember like, getting up, and having all these to-dos swirling around my brain, you know, I gotta go do this, I gotta, drop this thing off, I gotta run this errand, I gotta, take care of this I gotta go meet with this person, right, so I get up, get my shower, you know, get ready to go. Weston’s up, she’s up with Weston, and she’s kinda taking it slow, Monday morning... All I remember is I had all these things in my head of all this stuff that I needed to do, all these things, uh, this agenda that I needed to take care of.
And my wife got caught up in the scuffle of it.
And I walked in and I didn’t see her in her normal spot sitting on the bed … so I looked around the corner
And so I, you know, rush into the bathroom while she’s, getting ready and I, kiss her goodbye.
And I looked back, and beside the bed; she was kneeling.
And I’m standing on either side of her.
Then the person I thought I could never live without was ripped, from under me.
The enemy is not who did this to Amanda. It's not the, the TWO OR THREE GUYS that did THIS to Amanda HERE. (Spoken at Resonate 12/23/15)
She loved you more than life itself. She gave her life so you could have yours. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt she did what she had to do that morning to protect you.
Nice summary Bobcat. Kenneth Wagner also said he received a call "that would rock my world forever" and that his wife fell to the floor when she heard the news.
There is so much need for everyone to convince that they were reeling and so surprised and affected by this, that they miss Amanda more than words can say, that they never saw it coming - yet her husband takes the news so calmly because he says the Lord prepared his heart leading up to Amanda's death and he knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that all things work together for good and that Amanda wanted to be used in a really big way and knows God is the author of this story.
I made a mistake in the last post. It should say Ken Murphy, not Wagner.
Yes, flightful. There are so many more quote pieces that fill in the puzzle of hell.
About Davey's blog and Victoria's (alleged) statement of her husband Chris Wilburn who Davey "may not remember" as "one of the officers who responded to your 911 call" - if she said it, maybe it WAS intended to spook him. Or - maybe he is getting bolder - or more desperate for a neat and ever-more-increasingly interesting story.
Most of Davey's stretches of the truth or outright lies are indeed a lot different compared to "putting a police officer where he wasn't, and saying she said it."
Yet we know the Sergeant was across town filming for his movie scene during the time IMPD officers were at the Blackburn house on the morning of the murder. So did Victoria say this - or did Davey say it and put it in quotes as though Victoria said it?
I totally agree that maybe not everyone present (in and out throughout the day) in the house and neighborhood that morning was listed in Affidavit of Probable Cause - although the APC seems quite thorough and Chris Wilburn is not stated as being on scene or involved in any way - or even quoted in it. I also agree that neither Davey or Victoria would want to get caught in a lie if the Sergeant husband wasn't there and someone picked up on it.
IF he wasn't there as an early responder though, why would Victoria say it- unless maybe she didn't say it and Davey added this detail to the story to make it even more of a beautiful serendipitous coincidence - and counted on the fact that nobody would read the names of the responding officers and detectives and realize that Sergeant Chris Wilburn wasn't first on the scene....
....just as he probably never expected Bobcat to realize the Sebring getaway car was actually NOT dropped off on the same street as Amanda's ex-youth pastor lives (cool story and an amazing coincidence and detail if it was true, right?) but instead was dropped off on a random street that has no connection to anyone Amanda or Davey knew before.
If Davey had said the getaway car was dropped off NEAR Amanda's ex-youth pastors street - that's not even remotely as good of dots for the Lord to connect as if it was - LISTEN (Davey's instructions in the appearance when he told this story) - dropped off on the EXACT same street as the ex-youth pastor lives.
The my husband is officer who responded to your 911 call on the morning Amanda was killed story appears to be the same type of situation to me - Davey doesn't take into account that people compare his statements and things he writes with other statements and things he has said and written in the past - and compare them to the Affidavit of Probable Cause and web and print news articles and interviews and appearances.
He and/or his ghost writers needs to start realizing this.
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His statements constantly conflict - it must be so hard to keep it all straight ! And this is just one more instance. Whether Victoria actually said her husband responded to the 911 call that morning -which I seriously doubt now- or whether Davey wrote it and planned to claim a misunderstanding if Victoria or Chris ever called him on it, it is shading the truth to attempt to place Chris there at the house at 8:45am-ish - as Victoria's statement as quoted or written makes it sound like he was.
If Sergeant Chris was a spokesman who materialized on the scene later the same day and gave updates early on and throughout the week, that is still WAY different than being someone who responded (implied first responded, initially on scene) to Davey's no doubt stumbling and stuttering 911 call that he had to script and decide what to say on the fly after walking in and finding Amanda still breathing and not dead.
So why the (seeming to me) emphasis that Victoria's Sergeant husband responded to Davey's 911 call - - was there that morning - - and why would she need to clarify to Davey (if she did, it's in quotes so we are to expect that her words to him are exact) "IMPD - the police department"? There would be no need whatsoever to state to a recent crime victim that IMPD is the police department.
But there would be a need to explain to a certain group, to readers of a blog who might just be embarking on this fascinating journey - that IMPD means "the police department" and also that Trader's Point church is "where Amanda's celebration of life service was held".
Just the emphasis in this one line - I MUST NOT HAVE BEEN READY FOR WHAT WAS COMING NEXT - indicates COOL DETAIL COMING UP GUYS - stay tuned and now L O O K at how neat it is that Weston and I are in the same class as the cute young couple Sergeant Chris Wilburn and his wife !
....so weird for Davey to include himself in a preschool class....safety in numbers perhaps ? - he is lumping himself with Weston to not be alone in this terrifying scenario. I bet he is totally spooked, especially if he has to interact with ANY IMPD offficer - much less one that knows Davey's story of what he saw and thought that morning does not remotely compare to what the APC says he saw and thought on that morning.
Anyone got a few thousand dollars for a 9 day holiday to Israel with crazy Davey and Phil Byars? 4 and half star accommodation y'all. This extravagant trip won't take place until January, so there will be plenty of time to get in some golfing holidays, relaxing mountain retreats, mani/pedis, day spas and shop, shop, shopping before we go. (don't want to look like a goodwill model in the Holyland.) I wonder if PN is going, too.
Poor Davey. He wants to help the destitute, hopeless, miserable, far-from- God peeps in Indianapolis. He want to intercept a generation of at-risk youth; he just keeps looking for them in the wrong places. He should just sit at home, quietly, early on a Tuesday morning with the door unlocked. Maybe they'll come to him.
PN has his OWN trip to Israel planned in May/June! You could go twice with ALL the players...
I would recommend exploring ANY other option at faithbasedexpeditions.
"So why the (seeming to me) emphasis that Victoria's Sergeant husband responded to Davey's 911 call - - was there that morning - - and why would she need to clarify to Davey (if she did, it's in quotes so we are to expect that her words to him are exact) "IMPD - the police department"? There would be no need whatsoever to state to a recent crime victim that IMPD is the police department."
IMO, the blog is his big announcement to the rest of the parents that DAVEY IS A BIG DEAL and is already "IN" with the other BIG DEAL "cute" parents. He definitely isn't the meltdown-in-the-parking lot stripping-Weston-down Dad. Was there also some verbal "stripping down"? HE BLOGS ABOUT OTHER IMPORTANT PEOPLE HE 'KNOWS' WHENEVER POSSIBLE.
If there was any other power couple that appeared to outrank the Wilburn's in Weston's class, I bet Davey would have worked them into his blog.
From DBs blog: "What happens when kids (and parents for that matter) find out what happened to his Mommy. What will people say to him? What will people say about him?"
If Davey was innocent, I doubt these questions would occur to him.
What does crazy Davey think people (kids and parents) will say? What does one say to a 3year old child, whose mother was murdered, while he cooed softly, in his crib, behind a still closed door? Why would crazy Davey think they'd say anything TO Weston? Why is he worried? Wouldn't they just repeat the party line ie. Mummy is in heaven, mummy was a martyr, Mummy gave her life so that people would come to know God, it's all part of Gods plan for mummy, the best is yet to come, nothing is wasted?
What could the kids (and parents for that matter) say ABOUT Weston that could possibly hurt him? What?
What Davey didn't write about was how 'Weston's First Day at Pre-school' actually turned out for Weston. It's a very long introduction for not getting round to saying how his first day went.
Davey's going to be stressing so much.
I agree with whoever said they expect he will soon enlist someone else to take and collect Weston from school. - if he even keeps him at that school.
I think Victoria likely said her husband was one of the officer's who responded to his 911 call that morning, in the way she said it, in order spook Davey - I think at some point that morning her husband was at the scene. Davey wouldn't have reason, and it wouldn't serve him, to lie about something like that - it's unlikely she would have made it up either. I think she might well have said 'the morning Amanda was killed' - it's been a while, that's what happened; she's a police officer's wife so she will probably be more used to straight talking - 'killed' is 'soft' considering it was a murder. It wouldn't even be accurate to say 'passed away', as Amanda was kept alive for two days, though in reality she had been murdered two days earlier - or three, to those who are tending towards Monday morning.
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Is there any more thought on why Davey said he thought he had another day with Amanda? I forget the details and context - just wondering if Amanda was possibly killed a day earlier than planned because someone heard there was film crew in town. Like maybe some fame-hungry person got the wrong end of the stick, and thought it was one of those police reality tv shows, where the film crew follows that day's crimes. Too far out a possibility, okay. :)
Of course Weston's first day of preschool was not about Weston. It was all about Davey. Who knows or cares if Weston had a good day. Davey had to get to the "office" (gag me, Amanda blood money finally got him out of Starbuck's) to write about how HIS emotions about Weston's first day. Davey even had to make the school sign about himself. The first day of Weston's school and his emotions not Weston's. The friends DB met instead of friends Weston made. It is so very sad.
"Here in the same classroom as Weston and me was this activist family, these protectors of our city, who stood as a symbol of safety and the front lines of response to crisis. "
Stood? Past tense? Shouldn't these "protectors" stand as a symbol? Anyway, It's a bit hard to believe 4 year old Jude, and his mom, are "front lines of response to crisis".
The whole blog is a shamelessly sycophantic pile of BS. Seeing LE, unexpectedly, up close and personal, has shaken crazy Davey to the core. He's scrambling, in damage control mode.
In part of the blog he questions:
"What happens when kids (and parents for that matter) find out what happened to his Mommy. What will people say to him? What will people say about him?"
I doubt these questions would cross his mind if crazy Davey was innocent. What does he think people(kids and parents for that matter) will say TO and ABOUT Weston? What does one say to a 3 year old whose mommy was murdered, while he cooed softly in his crib, behind a still closed door? Why doesn't crazy Davey think people would just parrot the party line? "Mommy is in heaven, mommy was a martyr, mommy died so that lots of people would get to meet Jeesus, mommy is with the Angels, the best is yet to come, nothing is wasted, sure mommy was killed but...."
What could people (kids and parents, for that matter) say TO or ABOUT Weston, that could possibly hurt him?
The fact that these questions even cross crazy Davey's tiny mind, speaks volumes.
oops. 9:57 is an edited version of 9:25. Sozz for any confusion.
On what planet is it ok to leave your three year old child in a classroom on his first day of school WITHOUT speaking to his teacher?
" I turned back toward the door and started exiting to the hallway without saying anything to his teachers. I couldn’t let them see the mist in my eyes."
Crazy Davey couldn't get out of there fast enough. Meeting LE the day before, at the open day, was enough for his guilty self to hightail it out of there without speaking to the activist family, again, never mind the teacher. I suspect it had more to do with the guilt written all over his face, the elevated heart rate, and panic, than mist in his eyes.
I think he's worried kids will repeat to Weston things heard at home, and that parents may not include Weston in play dates or parties because of Davey. Well, I'd think twice if it meant the possibility of having to try to make small talk with Davey - I'd go out of my way to avoid being invited to Resonate. Victoria mentioned they (already) go to Trader's Point Church - she's off to a headstart in having a reason not to listen to Davey's sermons, or tithe however much to Resonate. Practical considerations of other parents - if they are pally with Davey, they are likely to soon be invited to Resonate. He already knows they mostly won't want to, so might avoid him - he's afraid Weston will be socially ostracised on his account, by the parents - some parents tell their children which of their classmates to play or not play with, for their own convenience. He's probably worrying too much - if he invites them, which he might think will be expected, and might want to do, parents will either accept, or say they already go to a church, or they are not church-goers, and politely decline.
Anon, he is worried they could say, 'My daddy said your daddy Is - (whatever)' - and he is worried it as not be complimentary. Davey doesn't know what any child might have heard at home, or what might be said to Weston. Davey knows he is under suspicion from some locals - did he not speak about 'haters' at one point, not in reference to online comments, but to some people in Indy? I think so, quite a while back, there was discussion of it here. He is bound to worry about how he is perceived, and how that might impact upon Weston - that his son, and he, could be excluded socially because other parents may be unwilling to deal with Davey, and Weston. I don't think talking about death, or heaven, are high on the agenda for parents of quite such young children. Some will be kind, and some will want to avoid Davey and the problem of Amanda, and find it to their own comfort to exclude Weston, and to hold out as long as possible on the 'Why doesn't Weston have a mommy?' questions. It's not as though Amanda just died young - they won't want to tell the truth, and they will worry in case their children hear it from an older child.
One might assume Weston only has the 'Mummy died and went to heaven' version of events, but what, actually, has Davey told Weston? What might Weston know for himself, even if the knowledge is not of a type which he can articulate or understand? Remember when Davey, months ago, was going on about Weston's favourite film being Nemo, which he liked to watch over and over, because it reminded him of what happened to him and his daddy. Davey might have said all manner of unhelpful things to Weston, tried to give him too much knowledge. There was some thing about monsters, and teaching him to smash doors open, and his fear of the dark toy room, where 'only blessings' were - some of that before he was even two? It bothers him also how the disturbance created in Weston will work out in pre-school? He wants to control him; pre-school means His 'son's little life is slipping out from under' his 'grip'. I don't know what that means in that context. I have not heard a parent describe a first day st school in such terms.
"Is there any more thought on why Davey said he thought he had another day with Amanda? I forget the details and context - just wondering if Amanda was possibly killed a day earlier than planned because someone heard there was film crew in town. Like maybe some fame-hungry person got the wrong end of the stick, and thought it was one of those police reality tv shows, where the film crew follows that day's crimes. Too far out a possibility, okay. :)"
HJ,
I reviewed the transcript of Monday just to make sure I had it right. The title of the Sermon is "What Happens When You Die Week 5". My only thought as to why DB thought he had another day is because she was supposed to die on the 11th, exactly four years after they moved to Indy.
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/09/942016-what-happens-when-you-die-week-5.html
"Some days that I didn’t take advantage of that I should have ta-taken advantage of. I remember, you know I found her on, on a Tuesday when I came home from the gym but the Monday morning before, so that Monday was the last day I had with her. And I remember like, getting up, and having all this, to-dos in my- swirling around my brain. I'm like, I got- I gotta go do this, I gotta, drop this thing off, I gotta run this errand, I gotta, take care of this, I gotta go meet with this person, right. So I get up, get my shower, you know, get ready to go.
Weston’s up, she’s up with Weston, and she’s kinda taking it slow, Monday morning. And um, I don’t really remember much about our conversation, honestly. I don’t remember much about what was going on. All I remember is I had all these things in my head of all this stuff that I needed to do, all these, uh, this agenda that I needed to take care of.
And so I, you know, rush into the bathroom while she’s, getting ready and I, kiss her goodbye, and I, walk out of the house. And, n-and I spent the rest of that day, doing things. ( ) Pushing the ball forward. ( ) Building a church. ( ) Meeting with people. ( ) Pouring myself out. [Davey pauses for three seconds with a finger on his lips.]
And then at night we went to bed, and, she was watching, dumb finds on Instagram, like, laughing hysteric-, I’ve never heard, like just, gut laughing. You know? And, and I was like, would you, I’m trying to go to bed, I’m, would you stop laughing? You know? Like I’m trying to sleep, I’m trying to read so I can fall asleep. And she’s like 'hahaha' like I’ve never seen her more carefree and happy, but listen, I was annoyed with it. Know why? I didn’t know, that I only had 3694 days. I thought I had another day, to appreciate the annoying things."
^^ In the above, I find:
Shower
go (left-1)
goodbye (near time of death?)
walk out (left-2) [double left?]
Four dropped pronouns (six if you count pauses)
And then (temporal lacunae)
"I've never heard" and "I thought I had another day" = Deception Indicated
How horrible that one of crazy Davey's last memories of Amanda, is of him being annoyed at her for laughing (of all things) while he was trying to read.
I couldn't bear it, if it was me. What a painful memory. I wouldn't share it. I'd be too ashamed. Couldn't he have just said that she was happier and more carefree than he'd ever seen her, and left it there? It might have been a small comfort. It might have been something for her loved ones to hold onto, and so much better than knowing that her pig of a husband was annoyed at her, on her last night on earth, before being beaten, sexually assaulted and shot in the head. I wonder if crazy Davey has any remorse. Are sociopaths capable of remorse?
Anon @ 10.09 - 'he couldn't get out of there fast enough.' - or as we like to say here, 'he legged it.'
He sure did - he was probably a mile away before he remembered he hadn't spoken to the teachers.
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-- Every suppressed emotion that had been carefully hidden by the activity of that morning rushed forward and tried to seep from my pores as I watched him....'.
Emotions, carefully hidden, rushing forward and trying to seep through pores...
What does that mean? He must have been in a lather of perspiration?
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'I looked into my little 3-year-old-going-on-30’s eyes'
Weston is so like Amanda and Phil, but three year old going on thirty - that is a strange thing to think and say.
Was he seeing and thinking of Amanda? Amanda should have been there, as someone already said - it would have been such a proud day for her, but that did not merit a thought.
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He watched the couple. This is interesting.
'. I turned back toward the door and started exiting to the hallway without saying anything to his teachers. I couldn’t let them see the mist in my eyes.'
He *started* exiting to the hallway. Paragraphs later - actually the final paragraph - he says:
'As I watched Chris and Victoria walk down the hallway, I looked back at Weston. By this time he had migrated to the play dough on the table near the front of the room. A big smile was plastered on his face as he rolled the dough back and forth.'
That sounds like Davey lingered in the doorway - long enough for Weston to have finished at the block station and to,have moved to the play dough table at the front of,the room. He watched (waited?) as Chris and Victoria walked down the hallway. Didn't stop to speak to teachers but then didn't leave the classroom either, only started to exit - he stopped to watch Chris and Victoria as they walked down the hallway. Is that why he says they are a cute couple, because he just had to stand and watch them awhile - 'cause they were so cute, not because he waited to avoid walking with them, or speaking in the parking lot.
Well, could that have been an original plan, that Amanda would die on the 11th to coincidence with the anniversary, but in the days leading up to that, did someone get wind of a film crew in town with the police department on the 10th, and so brought the murder date forward, in hope of the scene being covered by a reality tv show? Though it was not a tv show, it would be an easy mistaken assumption for anyone to make, as there are so many of those shows and Indy has such a high crime rate, a likely place for that type of show to be made.
It has bugged me - 'I though Imhad another day...'. Why just another day? That is such an odd thing to say - why not, 'I thought I had another fifty years...'or 'I thought there would be so many other days..' . - 'another day' sounds too specific in the circumstances.
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I think he said Amanda was laughing uncontrollably, and that he was annoyed, in order to account for noise which may have been heard by neighbours or passers-by. I agree, why say it, why put himself in that bad light if it was not necessary - chances are, it was necessary. I don't believe Amanda was laughing - she was making some type of sound, as also was he, for which he attempts to account out of concern it was heard.
That, 'I thought I had another day..' I think it was a slip, and he hadn't intended to say it. Like, originally he thought he had another day, but plans changed, that's why he was so busy on the Monday - plans changed, the tenth was suddenly better than the eleventh?
IDK. Too outlandish?
Yep. It took crazy Davey a while to circumnavigate Chris and Victoria. He starts to exit, he's worrying before his feet hit the hallway, then he sees C and V waving from the hallway. I'm trying to picture it. Who says guilty feet ain't got no rythmn.
This is super cute comment from a KW on the blog.
..."By the way...Back in the day, I went to pick Gavin up at preschool and the teacher handed me a note and told me to ask Gavin what happened that day. He had hit another little boy with one of the little wooden hammers up side the head...when asked why?? His answer was, because he was in my way! And the list goes on and on about that crazy boy. Lol. Love ya!!!!"
WTF? Awwww. So. Cute. A wooden hammer. Lol.
Thinking you had "one more day" does not make it ok to be annoyed at your wife for laughing and being carefree. Amanda dying on the 11th makes for a better "story". Does anyone remember the post Davey made about problems with "planning things too early?" The Worship is a weapon sermon was 4weeks in the planning and I think it contains many details about the murder. (Telegraphic)
"Thoughts" in SA are to be flagged for sensitivity.
IMO, Amanda's noise "like" laughter was likely the sounds of labored breathing, which continued through the night and was STILL going when Davey returned from the gym.
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"Yep. It took crazy Davey a while to circumnavigate Chris and Victoria. He starts to exit, he's worrying before his feet hit the hallway, then he sees C and V waving from the hallway. I'm trying to picture it. Who says guilty feet ain't got no rythmn."
I wonder how long it took his BP to return to normal.
Is this the last time I'll see Weston as a free man?
Am I going to get picked up in the preschool parking lot?
He was so camera ready, and hungry for fame - tv interviews were always likely, but a film crew in town, already in situ, all set and filming, so early that morning? It might have seemed a possibility, like something which would happen - capturing the distraught, the paramedics, the police..everything.
I see that could only be a possibility if the murder was staged, rather than random. I already think it was not random, but I doubt a murder would be that staged. I think that Weston was probably roaming round the murder scene was an unexpected spanner in the works, but what the works were - and whose works? One perpertrator - more?
Sometimes, Davey's early gleefulness makes me think it was not him - yet the murder was personal and vicious. Who would do that to Amanda? As he said, she did not have an enemy in the world. He was 'baffled', when, if it was random, he should not have been baffled, as it would be explicable as a wicked random crime, and not due to there being a 'baffling' unknown enemy. The enemy was not in the world, but in her own home. In her own home lived Davey, and sometime latterly, Meg, who had followed them to Indy, but since moved out of their home.. They - many in Resonate - were prepared (allegedly by God) for Amanda's murder, which keeps being said as an 'alibi' for the inappropriate and lacking response to the brutal slaying of Davey's wife, and of so many people's listener and friend.
The acceptance, and lack of outrage, is very strange - reminiscent of David Payne saying of Madeleine's disappearance, that they knew something was going to happen, but not this,
Can't find the post, but I think it was Hey Jude that mentions DB ' S misty eyed moment when he is afraid of Weston ' s life slipping out of his grip. That is scarey! It feels to me like he needs control over Weston. Along with saying Victoria ' s family are activists, including their son, makes me think he was really scared of having to talk to them. He probably knows they are too smart to fool. Then he goes home and makes that post, like he is answering questions that have never been asked. He does that alot, says things like it's normal, kinda coming up with reasons and answers as if he his covering bases before someone mentions something, so he won't be caught up in nerves and St the wrong things. Hope that makescsense. Yes, Perry there's something about Davey. Maybe you all hit on something that has made him scared, or he's getting nervous about what's going on with the perps, and he is worried what might come out.i don't think he's so happy lately. And IMO, he knows nothing about caring for and teaching his son. He just has to tell everyone how much Weston loves him, in his posts. He is going to screw that poor baby up mentally, big time. So heartbreaking.
HJ @ 12:44
Davey says he would have given up after November.
12/23/15 - Listen here at 15:47. https://vimeo.com/150141195
You hear the emotion of failure in Davey's voice, although he recovers quickly.
When Perry visited Resonate in January 2016, he talked about Job, whose wife was telling him to give up...
He also goes on a tangent about receiving a phone call while on vacation to hear about a bunch of problems at his home. Plug that into the context of Resonate, and it could be leakage of receiving a call from Davey, telling him that Amanda was pregnant and Resonate was not providing enough to support his family.
Perry (in the January sermon) goes on to tell about how the Lord sent Satan to destroy Job's life, but not to lay a hand on Job.
Perhaps Perry's instructions to Davey were to do Whatever It Takes to keep Resonate going...without realizing how far Davey would really go?
Davey: "The word shepherd doesn’t mean anything to us, so I wanna change that to the word boss, because we ‘get’ boss. Because bosses direct us, and although sometimes you may have an evil boss, or you may have a boss that you don’t like. Bosses hand out orders, and you keep your job when you follow the orders of your boss. Our God is a perfect boss that always has perfect plans that when He directs us into his perfect plan and we follow those orders look what happens. I Shall Not Want."
It's a conundrum.
"Don't worry, boss. I know a guy". Is that how the weird "goodfellas" conversation, that Davey just happened to overhear, went? He has said some other unusual things about bosses. In one of his sermons, he said something about how difficult it is when a boss asks you to do something that you know is wrong.
Siren@1:08 I agree. He often answers questions that haven't been asked in a sort of pre-emptive strike. In this case, the question of why he didn't hang around to talk to Victoria or Chris, or (more importantly?) Mrs. Girton. He's been shaken, badly, by the presence of LE at Westons preschool. Good.
He's going to come undone.
Pssssst, Davey. Next time you write a blog on a milestone of Weston's, you might think about including what Amanda would have thought, felt, said and done on that special day. RIP Amanda.
The more you read the blog, the clearer it ain't.
First he says he's always taken aback when he meets someone who is "following our story". Then he says he must be too accustomed to people following the story because he didn't realise the significance of Chris and Victoria's presence. That little contradiction happens in the space of two paragraphs.
Why tf would it be "cool and "a bit providential" to have the son of an LE officer in the same class as Weston. It's not cool at all.
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"the significance didn’t hit me until the next day as I’m dropping Weston off from school and Chris, Victoria and I walk our boys down the hallway together. "
Off FROM school? They walked in together down the hallway? But he stood and watched them walk down the hallway when they left. Ok. Whatever. When will the real significance of LEs presence at Westons preschool, hit crazy Davey?
Davey trying to connect all the dots of this "event" is insanity. Pure selfishness (sociopath) coming out again. Ok, so let me get this all straight! God prepared Crazy Davey's heart so that He could allow evil to step in and beat the life out of Amanda and riddle her with bullets. He then orchestrated the getaway van to be placed directly on a specific street.(lie) He plays the perfect song for Davey to hear at just the right moment as Amanda was "passing into the party portal.(lie) Sure Amanda died, but God gave Davey more passion and a platform. You know because as Davey would say, death can lead to your destiny! (say what?) God also allowed Amanda to die so that Phil's church could have life again. Davey's amazing jeezus even let Amanda die at just the right time for Weston! I mean, how miraculous is that? And now, oh my goodness, God is so awesome, he is letting Weston go to school with the son of an Indy policeman who is (according to Davey, supporting and praying for D and W) I mean, wow! This is such a great story. What a revival must be sweeping the ends of the earth because of this unbelievable story.
Bobcat - laboured breathing, the death rattle is not 'like laughter', though, nor anything like.
anon @ 11.25 said:
'What a painful memory. I wouldn't share it. I'd be too ashamed. Couldn't he have just said that she was happier and more carefree than he'd ever seen her, and left it there? It might have been a small comfort. It might have been something for her loved ones to hold onto....'
Yes, he's routinely insensitive, but he didn't need to share that - I think, like the McCanns, he comes out with additions to the story in an attempt to cover and account for discrepancies, justify himself, etc - here I think he only said that because it was necessary to account for sounds Amanda made, and which may have been heard by neighbours or a dog-walker in the stillness of that late hour. Laughter is not 'like laughter' or 'like, just gut laughing' - some people scream or screech in a fit of laughter - the volume of hysterical laughter would be nearer to (gut-wrenching?) screaming or screeching - Like 'laughing hysteric'', but not laughter, than it would to laboured breathing. People scream or screech in laughter, or in fear and pain - laboured breathing is relatively quiet - by comparison.
And he's trying to go to sleep, he's annoyed, yet politely asking would she please stop laughing - or he was maybe telling her to shut up, because he had never heard such a noise, ' like, laughing hysteric'. - well, everyone surely HAS heard such a noise, of someone laughing so much that they either joined in, just because that person laughing so much was funny in itself, or became concerned they might have a heart attack through laughing so much - well, people have died of laughter, though that is rare. It can also be like a figure of speech, 'I never heard anyone laugh so much', but probably most people have? Maybe not everyone, but I should think most people. I'm more willing to believe he had never heard whatever sound he is trying to explain away as hysterical laughter.
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To me, it seems he is covering, accounting for sounds possibly heard. I agree - why would he not just leave the memory of Amanda laughing, happy and carefree? From videos, that is not believable, but as Davey has appeared oblivious to Amanda's unhappiness, he might think others would believe she was happy and carefree (despite the Worship as a Weapon sermon the day before).
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Or one could say, well, that is just what happened, and the 'remorse' is in the telling - he shared it because he felt bad about it. He doesn't say he felt bad, rather that he was annoyed. The story doesn't ring true, as in the context of that weekend, Amanda was unlikely to have been as carefree and happy as he had never seen on account of Instagram - funny videos might have given her some temporary distraction and amusement, and caused her to laugh but they would not also have created a state in which she was fundamentally 'happy and carefree' - that is not how life works. I don't believe any of that happened.
HJ, there is a gigantic range of noises a dying person may make, depending on their circumstances. I was with my father during hospice. For theost part, he was undrugged. A peaceful drugged death rattle is vastly different than a 'hee hee hee hee' of labored breathing. Imagine all the noises a woman laboring through a natural childbirth and the breathing soundd she makes while struggling through contractions. Although in Amanda's case, it's hard to know what state of swelling had reached what part of her brain stem by Monday evening. Davey said "I've never heard" a sound "like" "just" gut laughing when describing Amanda's noises. It's unreliable.
The pastor of Traders Point Church talking about Amanda's Celebration of Life. He almost apologizes for the lack of emotion shown by Davey and Amanda's family. 37:37 mark
https://www.tpcc.org/sermon-archive/series/camelot-is-burning/
This is the same church that Sergeant Chris attends and sometimes preaches at. Victoria retweeted the pastor's "pray for Davey and Weston" right after the murder in 2015. Victoria knows all about the Blackburns, and so does her husband,
To the commenter who suggested a memorial for Amanda. I love the idea. What would you do to celebrate her? My thoughts wandered to...
Getting my nails done.
Praying for Weston
Repairing wood furniture.
Rearranging and redecorating rooms.
Reading Proverbs 31.
Baking chocolate chip cookies with extra sugar in the dough.
Going to the beach and eating grapes.
Running and walking.
Playing basketball.
Someone from Traders Point posted part of the program for Amanda's funeral: "Although we are heartbroken....we are at peace with God;'s plan to take her home. We join with you now in prayer that Amanda's testimony will encourage multitudes to desire to follow her first love, Jesus Christ."
https://twitter.com/JeremyIndy1/status/666010512652705792
Davey didn't even take time for a cup of coffee before moving on.
For those who do not know, we will not have Catalyst tonight because we are celebrating the life of Amanda Blackburn. Her husband Davey had requested to use the church tonight at 5 for a celebration of his wife's life. He also wants to use his experience to reach out to people who do not know Christ or who are looking for something to believe in. So tonight at 5, come to @traderspointcc to celebrate Amanda's life whether you knew the Blackburn family or not.
Traders Point Christian Church
4:40pm 11/15/2015 0 36
http://www.thepicta.com/media/1118919596501971997_179548660
Anon @ 12:04,
Thanks for sharing that video. The tree analogy is excellent. I still wonder why every tree reminds Phil of Amanda. Maybe it is that she was a branch of his and is now gone?
IF my suspicion of Amber's Trader's Point video has merit, the series "Camelot is Burning" is an interesting choice for TPCC during the time following Amanda's death.
Titles:
Camelot is Burning
Controlled Burn
When Family Fails
Davey and Amanda both went to the Park at Traders Point Church often. Victoria and Chris are very involved in Traders Point Church and have a son the same age a Weston. Good chance their paths have crossed before the murder.
(From SA poster) "Another thing. Months later my sister was visiting The Park at Traders point Christian Church, where Davey spent quite a bit of time chatting it up with the skinny single blonde mom's. With his son, nowhere insight. It's just disturbing."
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"Among those things were the connections she made with other young mothers at a place called The Park, an indoor space at Trader's Point Christian Church northwest of Indianapolis. Spending time there with her sister, Amber, and their kids the day before her death is one of the last memories Amanda's family has of her."
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“Amanda’s last physical appearance was at Traders Point Park, her and her sister amber and their kids they were there the day before this all happened,” says Robin Byars, Amanda Blackburn’s mother."
The full text of the tweeted celebration of life program (in addition to "we are heartbroken..... but at peace with God's plan to take her home", WAY too soon to be so peaceful) includes these words
saying the family will never be able to repay people for their love, prayers and encouragement
....as we've walked through, -perhaps, the deepest valley of our lives this past week...
Perhaps the deepest valley of our lives? An interesting extra word. What deeper valley could there be to remotely suggest with the use of "perhaps" - than having this happen to your daughter, mother, sister/sister-in-law, wife - losing her in the first place but in such a brutal way. They had (tm Robin) someone enter their home and Amanda ended up beaten, scratched and cut and bruised, teeth knocked out, assaulted and shot three times - once to the back of the head.
Why include perhaps - it seems that this *should* have been the deepest darkest valley of all of their lives, no question - unless whoever wrote this program was considering the possibility of an even deeper darker valley in the future.
Which might include the utter and total humiliation of having his face plastered on national tv not by choice this time -- no airplane trips, no pool, no SUV, wearing an orange jumpsuit, losing access to Weston, losing Resonate and the dream of having a mega church and being its lead pastor.
Perhaps.
Davey also wrote on twitter or instagram something about someone standing beside him through the worst time of his life thus far (not exact words except for "thus far") - also indicating the expectation or possibility of a darker time to come.
I watched the Traders Point video referenced by anon at 12:04
Interesting that when referring to the strength and peace of the Blackburn family, the pastor says at 38:23 -
...so that when something as tragic as that - and I can't think of maybe a worse situation happening to a family than THAT
He stops immediately after this and looks out into the distance / at the crowd - and then starts speaking again - but the words show a major contrast between him and whoever wrote the celebration of life program with the word perhaps in it.
The author of the program thinks everything that happened to Amanda - losing her in the first place but even more in such a way that it actually happened - is PERHAPS the darkest valley of the families' lives.
The pastor of this church can't think of a worse situation happening to a family than that (what happened to Amanda).
Video series introduction from Traders Point website -
Camelot is a fictional place associated with the legendary King Arthur, which became a symbol of idealistic and romantic perfection. A lot of us are living like Camelot is achievable, as if our homes and our lives can look like the covers of magazines. We have a picture in our minds of what perfection would look like in our homes, relationships, parents, families, and kids....
Bobcat said...
IF my suspicion of Amber's Trader's Point video has merit, the series "Camelot is Burning" is an interesting choice for TPCC during the time following Amanda's death.
Titles:
Camelot is Burning
Controlled Burn
When Family Fails
Perfection - the perfect image that the Byars family (and Blackburn family, but especially Amber and the Byars family) wants to maintain.
Camelot = perfection - like utopia.
I wonder if pastor Aaron was onto something too.
“Amanda’s last physical appearance was at Traders Point Park, WHAT??? What an odd thing to say! Last physical appearance? Does that seem like an odd thing for a mom to say? Didn't they all have dinner at Maw Maw's the night before her "passing"? What does she mean by physical appearance?
Yeah that was weird to me too (SO much about this case and the words and actions of the friends and family are weird to me too).
Someone said hundreds of posts ago that Robin's description of Amanda at Traders Point was like the last time Jesus appeared to his disciples (physically) on earth before ascending into heaven.
But yeah wasn't there the family dinner at the grandparents house where Amanda sat on the couch and laughed as Davey chased Weston around...and when Amber hugged Amanda goodbye when it was finally time for her to go home (or actually didn't hug her because her arms were full but that was ok because they were going to be seeing each other ALL day tomorrow...)
Is Robin talking about outside the Blackburn house - or not at a relative's house - or in public? Amanda's last physical appearance (the last time they saw her on earth) was actually in the hospital before she was taken off life support, right?
"But yeah wasn't there the family dinner at the grandparents house where Amanda sat on the couch and laughed as Davey chased Weston around...and when Amber hugged Amanda goodbye when it was finally time for her to go home (or actually didn't hug her because her arms were full but that was ok because they were going to be seeing each other ALL day tomorrow...)"
I know I'm repeating myself but there appears to be some new anons here...
Amber's story of November 9th with accompanying alibi video wasn't shared until a full eight weeks after Amanda died. IMO, her written account is heavily contaminated.
They were all aware of SA by the time it was released. Even the point she makes about going over and over every detail of her final hours with Amanda is published to fit into the "expected" in SA, but again, the lovely memories weren't shared for EIGHT weeks (and included an alibi video).
There are two HINA clauses regarding going to the Trader's Point gym.
Even within her contaminated statement, there are some tidbits that stick out:
The "laughing", and the "goodbye".
The blogger that wrote about Chris Wilburn filming a movie at the same time that Daveyw as calling 911 and who died mysteriously last year, had reservations about this case:
When news reports first announced early this morning that IMPD had arrested the young black men they believe were responsible for the home invasion and killing of Amanda Blackburn, wife of the local pastor of Resonate Church, Davey Blackburn, questions about the timeline of events recounted by police and prosecutors became a central concern of skeptics. Police said three men, Larry Taylor, Amanda's 18-year old accused killer, and two accomplices, Jalen Watson (21) and Diano Gordon (24), broke into two other homes in opposite parts of town prior to the Blackburn home invasion. That created a problem since the first break-in on San Clemente Drive had been reported to have occurred at 5:30 a.m. on the morning of November 10, about the same time police believed the trio had broken into one of the Blackburns' nearby neighbor's home. A probable cause affidavit filed in connection with today's announced charges against Taylor and Watson alters that timeline by close to an hour to account for the earlier timeline discrepancy.
According to the probable cause affidavit, the first break-in of an apartment at the Cottages of Fall Creek on the City's northeast side in Lawrence occurred earlier than 5:30 a.m. The apartment's owner says she awoke to discover the robbery of her apartment while she and her two daughters slept at 4:30 a.m. That's when she noticed her cell phone was missing and her patio door was left open with plants knocked over. Upon further search of her apartment, she realized she was missing a computer, along with her purse and keys and her Chrysler Sebring in the parking lot. The burglarized apartment owner waited almost an hour until 5:23 a.m. to report the break-in according to the police affidavit. The victim had a security system in her apartment that was motion-activated, and upon review by police, three men were captured by still images rummaging through her apartment. The burglars disabled the camera after their images had already been recorded.
http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2015/11/making-sense-of-amanda-blackburn.html?m=0
More from the blogger. If they have evidence of a sexual assault, why aren't they prosecuting that?
Fox 59 News is reporting that IMPD is questioning three four people described as suspects in last week's tragic shooting death of a pregnant mother, Amanda Blackburn, wife of Pastor Davey Blackburn of the Resonate Church. Also, WTHR's Steve Jefferson is confirming what Advance Indiana told you last week--Amanda Blackburn was sexually assaulted by her assailant(s) during the attack and police have DNA evidence to prove it. Jefferson also reported last night that Blackburn packed his bags and left town headed for an undisclosed location for a few days while he continues to mourn the death of his late wife and unborn child.
Steve Jefferson @scoopjefferson
IMPD to suspect: "You left behind evidence". (DNA) Sources confirm Amanda Blackburn's killer sexually assaulted her.
11:27 AM - Nov 19, 2015
5:23 a.m. – Security camera footage captures three subjects breaking into a home on San Clemente Drive. The thieves steal a laptop, purse and a 2007 Chrysler Sebring.
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/timeline-the-murder-of-amanda-blackburn
Is Chris Wilburn the officer at the far left?
https://twitter.com/jdisis/status/665184482274750465/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fadvanceindiana.blogspot.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Damanda%2Bblackburn
Gary R. Welsh said...
Those of us who've lived in Indianapolis long enough know that our local news media is nothing but a propaganda machine for the police department. Until they get permission from IMPD to talk about something, you're only going to read in the newspaper or see on the local TV news stations what IMPD has spoon fed to them. Notice how none of them are clamoring for IMPD to release the 911 call.
If the lady whose car was stolen was burglarized at 5;23am according to surveillance video and her 911 call, then the black SUV that was seen speeding down Davey's street before the murders (and of which there is surveillance video) needs to be further investigated.
but again, the lovely memories weren't shared for EIGHT weeks (and included an alibi video)
And Amber's lovely Facebook post did not include any selfies of the two of them (Amanda and Amber) together - or pix of Amanda with Weston. No pix of the family together at the grandparents dinner either - wouldn't the grandparents want a pix of everyone together ? - especially because it was rare that they were together in the same city since Amber and the children (and Gavin but he wasn't there) live up in Elkhart.
My brother has brunch almost every Sunday with our parents at their residence in Florida and he always - every time - takes a selfie picture of the three of them around the table and texts it to me. In our case, it's partly to rub it in that I live on the other side of the country and don't get to go to brunch with them - and the other more sobering reason (which he doesn't say but I know and I feel it too) is because he knows there may not be many more brunches and chances for pix together since they're in their mid eighties already.
I said long ago that this case is crying out for an hungry investigative team like the Boston Goobe Spotlight team to get on it and seek answers and find out the truth and expose it - just as the Spotlight team exposed what the Catholic Church priests had done and were doing.
I can't believe the 911 call has been suppressed for this long - maybe the words spoken and not spoken on the call which might or might not conflict with words spoken at other times by the grieving pastor husband are a slam dunk case for the prosecution and they are biding their time. I am not an attorney but I cannot see why it would need to be withheld as part of active investigation against those already in custody.
Yeah, the first impression was sexual assault but then IMPD backed off of that and no charges were ever filed against anyone in custody. I always thought that was because they found Davey's DNA and assumed there had been consensual (?) sex in the context of a marriage - even if it appeared rough, not to put too fine of a point on it.
Wandering off now to google HINA clause and look for that bookmarked Facebook post of Amber's day she will ALWAYS remember.
This is looking more and more like the entire family has conspired in the murder of Amanda, even though LE is missing all the clear evidence and thugs have already been charged because of plenty of evidence. You do remember Larry Taylor, don't you? Or have you lived in the fantasy world of fairy tale theories so long you forgot about him?I wonder if it's possible there's been no talking from the thugs.
Oh well. Insignificant. Let's dwell on our wild and crazy theories here...the ones that are not supported by any evidence, whatsoever, no matter how you three want it to be.
Now, where were we? Oh yeah. Amanda's family. Yes..........Amanda's family didn't take selfies. If that isn't a clear indication of their guilt, I don't know what is.
Has anyone listened to Up and Vanished? The case of the Georgia beauty queen who vanished in the middle of the night and was never found. I am only 6 episodes in but there was so much cover up, manipulation of evidence and bad initial investigating. This podcaster goes down to Georgia and gets to the bottom of it. I wish he would go to Indy and unravel some of this mess? Sounds like the Indy machine is not easily exposed. I sure hope they didn't put a hit on that blogger but it sounds suspicious to me. Also the Indy media was super easy on Davey and treated him like he was some kind of hero.
anon @7:11, that is what is known as association fallacy. You three practice it routinely here.
Is what the deceased blogger wrote accurate? The timeline was altered by close to an hour in order to account for the earlier timeline discrepancy, which would have put the three accused in two places, at different sides of town, at the same time?
Does anyone know who, and where, are the skeptics who questioned the timeline?
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'When news reports first announced early this morning that IMPD had arrested the young black men they believe were responsible for the home invasion and killing of Amanda Blackburn, wife of the local pastor of Resonate Church, Davey Blackburn, questions about the timeline of events recounted by police and prosecutors became a central concern of skeptics. Police said three men, Larry Taylor, Amanda's 18-year old accused killer, and two accomplices, Jalen Watson (21) and Diano Gordon (24), broke into two other homes in opposite parts of town prior to the Blackburn home invasion. That created a problem since the first break-in on San Clemente Drive had been reported to have occurred at 5:30 a.m. on the morning of November 10, about the same time police believed the trio had broken into one of the Blackburns' nearby neighbor's home. A probable cause affidavit filed in connection with today's announced charges against Taylor and Watson alters that timeline by close to an hour to account for the earlier timeline discrepancy.'
^. Does that relate to the woman who apparently waited an hour to report that she had been burgled? Seems unlikely, especially if that was the one from whom also the car was also stolen. Did she wait, or not realise for an hour that she had been burgled?
When I think about the affidavit, it read to me initially like there was some wiggle room for further investigation. It is right there that Davey sat in the driveway for a looong time before going in and calling the paramedics not the police. Also, it is clear that Davey told detectives he knew someone else had been in the home even though he didn't call police and he is telling everyone it was a miscarriage. I don't think the police shut down the investigation completely on DB or like I said maybe left some wiggle room.
Speaking of wiggle room or very little of it, I thought we needed a little comic relief. Davey loves his tight pants. He has a pair just like the ones Will Ferrell is wearing but DB's are even about an inch tighter. "Everybody's looking at my tight pants, I got my tight pants on."
https://www.facebook.com/FallonTonight/videos/10153961976473896/?hc_ref=ARTG6amRypLr_49lHU7VT-rpuXme2a1WRmJuqj_IkjcOSHxPKJrsJYoUerdH7idyTIk
"My parents tell me while I was in Israel he asked about me incessantly. He never asks for Amanda. I can’t explain this, other than when she was killed his cognitive memory hadn’t developed enough to remember that she was present. So now he doesn’t necessarily feel her absence."
How can her parents tolerate this jerk??? My dad would be after my husband if he said anything like this about me. Her family continues to vacation in luxury with him. Shameful. I wish Peter or someone would do a podcast of the freakishness and callousness of Davey Blackburn.
Someone posted earlier that during his own podcast with a genuine grieving spouse, he accidentally told her that he can't imagine what she is going through. (Amanda was abruptly and brutally killed at about the same time as her husband died from a long illness)
HJ, this initial report of the timeline has the burglary where the Sebring was stolen at 5:23am. It also says phone records place Watson and Gordon at this burglary at rhat time and then moved to Davey's neighborhood at 6:25am.
Sprint phone records indicate the number listed by Jalen Watson in his parole documents was in the area of East 56th Street and I-465 during the time of the burglaries and the homicide. Police say this is the area where the original burglary on San Clemente Drive occurred.
Phone records also indicate a cellphone owned by Diano Gordon, one of Watson's associates, was near San Clemente Drive at the time of the burglary, and then moved to the 2800 block of Sunnyfield Court at 6:25 a.m., around the time of Amanda Blackburn's murder. The phone then moved to the 6800 block of North Michigan Road, were the failed ATM transaction took place.
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/timeline-the-murder-of-amanda-blackburn?page=2
Here's Jordan Fischer's (the journalist who wrote the story) email, if anyone wants to ask him about the discrepancies and also ask if anyone in LE is suspicious call6@wrtv.com.
Has any surveillance photos from inside Alison Becker's home been released? The affidavit of probable cause states that "Becker's interior video depicted a subject who disabled the system at 5:36am." It says "A SUBJECT", not subjects. Surveillance video from inside Jacola Searsbrook's home shows several suspects.
Didn't Alonzo Bull and his gf made it a point to say that Watson wore Bull's jacket?
Monday, November 9th, 2015. Amanda was in a posture of surrender on her knees when Davey walked out of the house. Amanda then rose up after Weston's morning nap and met Amber at Trader's Point Park.
Memories of that special day were actually captured in a video that one of The Park’s staff had taken and sent to the Byars family, after learning of Amanda’s death.
http://www.goshennews.com/news/local_news/amanda-s-legacy-family-starts-community-fund-for-slain-daughter/article_3f0abdb1-6512-5767-a215-660ec41bcfeb.html
A sweet lady came over to me and asked if I had been there on Monday with my "friend". ... She was volunteering that day, and offered to look up video footage from the security cameras from the time we were there on Monday. ... She ACTUALLY sent me the video.
https://www.facebook.com/amber.b.wilkinson/videos/10208026172233877/?hc_location=ufi
Female volunteer/staff records at TP need to support this story.
When pointed questions are asked about Monday activities, many posts are made about random Tuesday details.
A few strange details about Amber's post about being picked up at the airport by Amanda. She said Amanda had to coax her to stay a few extra days and then basically dropped her off at MawMaw's and rushed home to Davey & Weston. It would seem that if Amber really was only staying one night originally, then Amanda and Davey would have planned to have dinner at MawMaw's with Amber. Or at least Amanda and Weston?
Also, Davey talks about all of the meetings and gotta go here, meet this person, run this errand, etc. on Monday but never says that he also had to go to Mawmaw's for dinner.
Davey is on a fancy fishing boat in South Carolina right now. While most churches are gathering and sending resources to the Houston victims, Davey takes another luxurious vacation. By the way, How is that turning Indy upside down thing going? It seems like that might be hard when you are never in town.
Bobcat, has this been transcribed? Davey preaching in Feb at Amber's church.
https://www.facebook.com/thriveworshiptogether/videos/1226098054105264/
A sweet lady came over to me and asked if I had been there on Monday with my "friend". She said - "I just couldn't help but watch you two interact. You touched her belly, and it was just such a sweet moment. I knew you had to be the best of friends." She was volunteering that day, and offered to look up video footage from the security cameras from the time we were there on Monday. She said it would be something to help me to ALWAYS REMEMBER her by.She ACTUALLY sent me the video.
Why / how would this volunteer know Amber would need a video for her to ALWAYS REMEMBER Amanda by ?
Did this volunteer ACTUALLY make the connection when she saw Amber at the indoor PARK "just a few days after everything had happened" that Amber was the one who was there on Monday hanging out with Amanda who was the same girl who had been murdered in her home? Wow what powers of observation that volunteer has!
And then she thought Amber (who does not live in Indianapolis or even close, so was probably very rarely at the indoor PARK) was Amanda's "friend" - not her sister. it would make way more sense IF the video was found and given to a family member (if the volunteer had known Amber and Amanda were sisters) and not just to a random friend.
How many other friends did the volunteer notice together and then approach them at a later date with footage of the two together ? - I bet zero.
I still want to know more about that black SUV that sped through the neighborhood the morning Amanda was reported bumping her head. I never heard any more about it, after it was reported as part of the investigation. If it wasn't involved, did they ever say so? I keep thinking it could have been Davey. Or it could have been Bull, who never got even a slap on the wrist for talking to thieves in the commission of their crimes, let alone arrested like the others for possibly being an accessory to murder, like Dano and the other guy who were with LT. something is so wrong with this whole picture, I actually got excited that V&C might be on to CD.
TJ,
Partially, yes.
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2017/08/21717-thrive-worship-night.html
Amber talks about Amanda holding Weston "in her arms" as Davey loaded the car when it was finally time for her to go home. She didn't even get to hug her goodbye...
They were all supposedly at Mamaw's house.
Davey and Weston stayed at Mamaw's house after Amanda died.
Talking about the house bother's Davey. He refuses to see WHO he was staying with.
Following are some quotes regarding staying at Mamaw's house.
Last night, we were just hanging out. We were about to eat dinner, and uh, Weston starts pointing over at the, the, the, the door, there’s like a glass door at the house that we’re staying at 1/31/16
So, we have this separate room in the house we’re staying in, where all of his toys are 2/21/16
And I flew back into the city, landed, and I started to drive. ( ) Didn’t have a home at the time. It was, it was a crime scene and so, ( ) drove to, family member’s house and I drove right through downtown 7/17/16
I’ll never forget, about uh, about a month after this happened, I was staying at a house … But I'll never forget, several months ago, um, a couple months after we went through the hardest thing in our entire lives, we were staying at a, a house, um, with somebody else, just trying to figure out how to put life back together 10/23/16
We were staying at a uh, um [frown], uh, someone’s house. It was a, a, a, family who was just kind enough (moves head side to side) to let us stay there temporarily. 2/17/17
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What happened at Mamaw's house, between Amanda jumping in leaves with Weston, and not hugging Amber goodbye before she finally went home?
What happened to the Chevy Cruze?
Bobcat, how do you know he was at Mamaw's house. I swear from his writings that I thought he was staying with a family friend that was kind enough to open their home after the worst thing imaginable happened.
And I wouldn't be surprised if A. Bull was the new, proud owner of the Chevy Cruze. As a poster upthread said, that guy should be in jail. But he was smart enough to move out of Indy.
Thanks, Bobcat. I sent video and your transcripts to a body language expert. Curious to see what he says about Davey. A friend that is an author has decided to start researching the case and is doing some investigation on her own before she dives in.
I skipped around the latest sermon to see if CD talked about the preschool incident. I found it about 14:40. Davey proudly announces that Weston will be attending the Elite preschool in town. He said they received financial assistance to attend. Say what?? The guy who travels on luxurious vacations about 75% of every month has somebody else is paying for Weston's Elite preschool? He also explains that ALL families that go to this preschool are elite. He says surely Weston will not embarrass him when they visit this elite school for the first time. (so sad) Davey mentions how cute he dressed Weston and said to Weston "You will make the Blackburn name proud by going in and being in a cute outfit". He talks about "pulling" Weston out of the car seat and how Weston was completely wet. He said he stripped him naked in the car and all the kids were pointing at Weston. He said "I am absolutely embarrassed by my kid who could not make it from the commute to the drop off." He said he then went to a parent mingle and came back to Weston's class and he was in another pair of pants. He said he pointed to Weston and said, "We will talk when we get home." He also said as they were walking out to the car, he told Weston all 3 year old’s have accidents except for Blackburn’s (oh my gosh) Crazy Davey then mentions that the next day he again had Weston dressed so cute. Davey said on the entire commute to school, he pulled the Blackburn card “Blackburn’s stay dry, Blackburn’s don't have accidents.” He then uses that horrible, psychologically disturbing parenting scenario to compare identity in Jesus. Poor kiddo. That is all I could watch. I may try to transcribe it better later but you guys get the gist.
Oh, here is the link to the crazy sermon. The embarrassing his son part by saying his son embarrasses him starts about 14:40
https://resonateindy.com/sermons/better-together/whats-in-a-name
Here's what The orchard, the private school that Weston attends, costs. Also, parents that request financial aid have to fill out an application:
Fees include tuition, daily lunch, books and activity fees for the entire school year.
MultiAge/Three-Day Partial Day (8:00 am - 1:00 pm) $ 9,346
MultiAge/Three Day Full Day (8:00 a.m. - 3:20 p.m.) $11,538
MultiAge/Five Day Partial Day (8:00 am -1:00 pm) $15,576
MultiAge/Five Day Full Day (8:00 am -3:20 pm) $19,231
New families who wish to apply for financial assistance should complete the Parents' Financial Statement (PFS) Application online at sssbynais.org/parents.
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