Peter Hyatt on "Crime Wire": The Murder of Amanda Blackburn
February 23, 2017, Peter Hyatt will be a guest on "Crime Wire" live broadcast, and will be taking your calls and questions at 9am to 1030AM EST.
Amanda Blackburn was a victim of a sexual homicide in which arrests have been made.
Questions, however, remain in one of the most bizarre 'solved' murder cases of recent years.
Peter Hyatt will share analysis of the case, including deception detection techniques, and what this may mean for justice.
Imagine Publicity Blog : broadcast of the show on Madeleine McCann 2016.
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«Oldest ‹Older 3601 – 3800 of 4996 Newer› Newest»^^ More statements BY AMBER which support that Amanda was allowed to suffer on Monday, IMO.
One more thing, Amber doesn't look very well to me since Amanda's death. But makes me wonder about Gavin. Are he and CD still friends? If Gavin has suspicion of CD, then seeing his wife devastated must be very, very difficult, especially if he doesn't like the way CD is acting. I feel there have probably past run ins with CD, with Gavin, Amanda's brother, maybe even Phil. I can't see CD not getting on the wrong side of people with his arrogance and me, me, me personality. Sorry for all the typing errors in my posts, I cant keep up with what my tablet is doing changing my words, and adding letters, lol. Thanks for allowing me vent my thoughts even though I'm no sleuth.
Bobcat - I wonder why Amber felt the need to explain that Amanda had eaten small healthy meals and drunk lots of water on the Monday. Perhaps the autopsy results had shown an empty stomach - I don't know how precisely an autopsy can establish when a person last ate a meal.
As Amanda was unconscious for quite some time, perhaps it would be difficult to determine what she and eaten on the Monday. Would what was in the digestive system show on an x-ray?
I mean it would maybe be difficult to determine by the time of the autopsy - but that Amanda would have been x-rayed quite early on the Tuesday morning, I should think.
Bobcat wrote -
On 1/31/16, Amber tells us:
(The last day we spent together she was religiously drinking her water and eating her "small healthy meals" like she always does when she is pregnant.)
"small healthy meals" is in quotes. Text within quotation marks, if it is not a direct quote, indicates the writer has assigned a different meaning to the words than is normally understood.
Did Amanda eat on Monday?
"like she always does" is a variation of "Normal".
Amanda's food/water consumption was not normal on Monday.
https://www.facebook.com/amber.b.wilkinson/videos/10208201759423447/
-- Amber's saying "like she always does when she is pregnant" makes it sound like it was Amanda's fifth pregnancy- but there was just her first pregnancy with Weston so there was not a pattern or habits for Amanda to ALWAYS have done.
Saying she was eating and drinking "like she did when she was pregnant with Weston" would have made more sense if all had been normal that day. I think we are increasingly seeing signs that that day was absolutely not normal - despite all the flowery speech and information/anecdotes intended to convince us that it WAS (normal).
Bobcat I appreciate your explanations very much !
I appreciate everyone taking the time to post and share thoughts here!
Right on schedule this morning, Perry Noble posted #Dontgiveup. @@
Autopsy and Last Meal - Forensic Pathology, if anyone wants to plough through it. Interesting stomach emptying slows down or can even stop in the case of traumatic injury.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=6bW4WSRgfKoC&pg=PA110&lpg=PA110&dq=autopsy+last+meal&source=bl&ots=CgxiFw0xiy&sig=TG8sllBJALF60iwZIen-n9n6gYs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjXseLzzrbWAhVKJsAKHfn9DVgQ6AEIMDAB#v=onepage&q=autopsy%20last%20meal&f=false
Drinking lots of water "religiously" aids digestion and elimination. Amanda's digestive system was likely empty on autopsy.
For some reason, Amber feels the need to put an aside in an "blog" that Amanda was not eating or drinking normally on her last day.
Sick.
#Dontgiveup
#Stayfocused
#Dontlookback
http://www.exploreforensics.co.uk/stomach-contents-as-a-means-of-evidence.html
Stomach Contents as a Means of Evidence
By: Jack Claridge (8 Nov 16)
In most autopsies the contents of the stomach are an important piece of evidence, which can sometimes prove to be the difference between accidental death and foul play.
MsDp
^^ This. it will be interesting to learn about the autopsy results, if we ever get to see or hear them.
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I cannot explain what happened as if to a five year old, because I do not know what happened. Why Larry Taylor remained either at the Blackburn house, or somewhere on Sunnyfield Court, I can't get my head round. Unless he was watching Weston, knowing when approximately Davey was expected to return, so staying for him for as long as he could, yet without risk of their crossing paths. This earlier suggestion went down like a ton of bricks, so I expect that is unlikely to to be any different for the passage of time. Weston, alone, crying, while his mother lay dying would be so pitiful, anyone's heart might go out to him. If by that time he was already out of his crib, would not anyone finding him and Amanda distract him to go into another room, try to quiet and calm him? I don't know why otherwise he would have stayed there risking himself to be discovered and accused of Amanda's murder. It would make most sense to believe the explanation given in the affidavit, but I don't.
Bobcat wrote
Davey is deceptive through omission, but Amber is a fabricator.
She helped clean up the house to it's "perfect" state with everything in it's place, IMO.
- part one of two -
https://www.facebook.com/amber.b.wilkinson/posts/10211253533595894
Amber wrote in ^^ this ^^ Facebook post about walking back into the Blackburn house for the first time only three days "after your life had been taken" (minimizing much?) and seeing the Christmas tree -
I didn't even have time to look around, because right in front me was the magnificent glow of your beautiful Christmas tree. I remember you telling me a few days earlier that you had bought a tree at a garage sale for $15.00! I envisioned a tiny little Charlie Brown tree - I didn't expect it to be 10 feet tall!
So was the Christmas tree already up when "everything happened to" Amanda ? - from this Facebook post -
https://www.facebook.com/amber.b.wilkinson/videos/10208026172233877/
(we talked about) "the $15.00 GIGANTIC Christmas tree she bought at a garage sale and just put up a few days before "...
. . . so why was Amber expecting a tiny Charlie Brown tree when she walked in on Friday instead of the 10 foot tall tree that was there - after remembering so well that Amanda had said it was GIGANTIC in her description of it only four days earlier, on Monday? - and the caps in "GIGANTIC" were Amber's, not mine.
What if Amber HAD been the one who straightened everything up and made it nice? Is this a need for Amber to persuade that she hadn't been there, hadn't seen the tree, was not the one who cleaned up and decorated - making it sound like it was totally unexpected to her to find everything in place and the GIGANTIC tree glowing when she walked in?
And - if Amanda had just put up (the tree) a few days before the Monday that Amber will ALWAYS REMEMBER - that massive tree would've been up while everything was happening downstairs in the Blackburn house - it was not a super large living room space, yet there was no mention of the tree getting knocked over in the "scuffle" on Tuesday morning or even being there at all ? This has been mentioned by many posters before but it bothers me too.
Why would Amber write the blog posts with all of the flowery memories of walking back into Amanda's house for the first time since everything had happened? - one reason really could be to persuade that Amber hadn't been in the house on Monday the 9th or Tuesday the 10th.
On the other hand, he was seen walking out of Sunnyfieled Court speaking loudly on his phone - why would he draw attention to himself like that If he knew he could be accused of Amanda's murder? So he might just have been off his head on drink and weed, and crashed out in the Becker house, so they abandoned him, and he woke up, and got all mad on the phone, demanding they pick him up.
I thought one of them was seen trying the front door of the adjacent house - someone said they got the wrong house, but some burglars do just systematically try doors until they find one unlocked. At that time of day though, when people are most likely to be at home? Say they were doing that though, that would be a plus towards it being a random home invasion - but that they went all the way to Sunnyfield Court, to hang out in a house where the resident was away, is a minus. When trying the door he might just have got the wrong house, and moved onto the Blackburns. If that was so, they hadn't been watching from the Becker house, waiting to see Davey leave for the gym, so perhaps they were not particularly focussed on entering the Blackburn house. They stil could have been set up, just to be on Sunnyfield Court burgling at the time. They may have been tipped off only about the Becker house, or maybe also told some people in that cul de sac were known not to lock their doors. It's such a conundrum.
All Larry Taylor himself said to investigators was that he was so out of it, he stayed in the car - he didn't remember going into the Blackburn home. If it was him on camera exiting the street, he obviously didn't stay in the car. Yet there is the story of the borrowed jacket - one person might have been be misidentified as another.
- part two of two -
referring to Amber -
She helped clean up the house to it's "perfect" state with everything in it's place, IMO.
https://www.facebook.com/amber.b.wilkinson/posts/10207974233535442
Amber wrote in ^^ this ^^ Facebook post about how perfect everything looked when she walked in on Friday November 13th "in spite of everything that had happened inside only a few days before".
By Friday, the professional cleaners had already been into the house and done their biohazard crime scene cleanup but Davey (from what I understand anyway) had not been back inside to do any decorating or arranging or whatever - he was staying with Mamaw but didn't want to say he was staying with them for some reason - any light anyone can shed on this is welcome for sure (why would he skate around that he and Weston stayed with family? )
And the crime scene cleaners would not have been arranging things nicely and putting everything back the way Amanda ALWAYS had it - in the first place, how would they know where things were supposed to go - plus which I don't believe they wouldn't have taken the time even if they did.
So how did everything get so perfectly placed, just like Amanda would have had it, for Amber to walk in on Friday and see it and then write the flowery Facebook post about it ?
Who would have known the exact location of the items and placed them there - and what about the Christmas tree? If Davey didn't straighten and place everything properly (because he wasn't there) - did Meg ? Did Amber ? One of them would have almost HAD to (or both of them working together) to make Amber's story plausible.
And the timeframe is tight - they were all gathered around Amanda's bedside all day Tuesday - she was pronounced dead Wednesday morning - the biohazard crime scene cleaners had finished by Wednesday afternoon - that leaves Wednesday night and all day Thursday for "someone/ NOTDavey" to put the house back together in time for Amber to walk in to discover it on Friday in absolutely perfect order with not a thing out of place (and Amanda's Bible and journal where they always were).
I guess that timeframe actually would work, even putting up the Christmas tree if it wasn't up yet - if someone was motivated to get it done. They could work all night on Wednesday and Thursday too if needed.
Discussed in the past, but Amber's description of the things in the house and their exact places were described in detail - except for the Bible and journal as "where they always were". . .
Off this topic but about the journal - I thought it was hilarious in one of Davey's initial media blitz appearances when Davey said he didn't have Amanda's journal with him that day but that he "could paraphrase something from it" - and the interviewer was like, uh, no thank you, then. . .
Amber's happy birthday Facebook message to Gavin - a lion doesn't need to roar
https://www.facebook.com/amber.b.wilkinson
It seems like just yesterday we were huddled around a bonfire in your backyard - with half of your football team - eating s'mores and celebrating your 16th birthday. I think we were in that stage where we were still pretending that we "didn't like each other". So now, 16 years later, I want to go on record and state that I don't just LIKE you, I really REALLY love you. I never imagined in that moment around your bonfire that I would one day be your wife - or that we would have three incredible tiny humans that we brought into this world together - or even that we would be as strong as we are today. I know we aren't perfect and that there are still days I may pretend I don't like you, but please know that the incredible guy I fell in love with around a birthday party bonfire, is the same man that continues to amaze me each and everyday. You're pretty special Gavin Bryce. And I love you more than anything in this world! Hope this year is better than any other! Happy HAPPY Birthday!
Siren @ 3:12
"I believe that everyone was so shocked and grief stricken, especially Amanda's family, that they may have been very vulnerable to CD and looked to him for answers, comfort and spiritual help. And whatever CD did, said, preached and the way he acted, they drew strength and trusted him without reservation."
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Robin says otherwise on 9/11/16. Apparently, Amber had the thousand mile stare and wanted to be with the Blackburns, but not the rest of the family.
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/09/9112016-family.html
Question: “How do you stay close as a family in the midst of your loss?”
Robin: "I will share, the first few weeks, it was really difficult, um. I remember walking up and hugging Amber ... and she was ... half alive. And we have always been a tight family where we have received, like, love and affection and encouragement from one another, and I was very worried in the beginning. And what I realized was we were all in so much pain and I remember her telling me the first couple weeks, “Mom, I feel like the Blackburns are, um, filling me and feeding me right now.” Uhh. And it hurt me a little bit but ... I got it because we were all in such, a level of pain we had never experienced before so ... we’ve recovered from that, and um, w-we’re growing in that, and it’s getting, a lot better."
Flightful:
"And the timeframe is tight - they were all gathered around Amanda's bedside all day Tuesday - she was pronounced dead Wednesday morning - the biohazard crime scene cleaners had finished by Wednesday afternoon - that leaves Wednesday night and all day Thursday for "someone/ NOTDavey" to put the house back together in time for Amber to walk in to discover it on Friday in absolutely perfect order with not a thing out of place (and Amanda's Bible and journal where they always were)."
Davey's father went to the house on Wednesday the 11th and the tree was up and looking perfect.
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My Speculation (which fits in the language) is the tree was somehow affected by the struggle/scuffle, and it was restored to showroom appearance (by Amber) sometime before Davey left for the gym on Tuesday. The efforts with the tree are likely traumatic memories that neither Amber or Davey want to recall, IMO.
However, the handiwork was appreciated by Davey's father when he entered the home on Wednesday.
Amber finally writes about her trip to the house on Christmas Eve 2016, but the truth still sneaks into her "blog". She writes "I could hardly even stand to look at it."
https://www.facebook.com/amber.b.wilkinson/posts/10211253533595894
Does anyone else see images of Vincent (Davey), Jules (Amber), and The Wolf (Perry Noble) when they think about cleanup efforts on Monday the 9th?
The tree timeline:
11/22/15
Davey's father says the tree was up on Wesnesday the 11th.
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/11/11222015-weathered-willow.html
12/29/15
Amber writes about visiting Amanda's house on Friday the 13th.
She does not mention the tree at all. The house is described as it would still be decorated for Autumn.
https://www.facebook.com/amber.b.wilkinson/posts/10207974233535442
1/5/16
Amber now recalls Amanda telling her about the GIGANTIC tree that she had "just put up a few days before" Monday the 9th...
Amanda was in Cincinnati surrendering her agenda on the 6th...
Back home putting up the tree on the 7th...? "a few days before" the 9th...
Watching Davey wave his gun in church, and then picking up Amber on the 8th...
https://www.facebook.com/amber.b.wilkinson/videos/10208026172233877/
12/24/16
As flightful pointed out, Amber forgets that the $15.00 tree was described by Amanda as "GIGANTIC".
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10211253533435890&set=a.2591341624581.2145596.1285843155&type=3&theater
Bobcat wrote
12/29/15
Amber writes about visiting Amanda's house on Friday the 13th.
She does not mention the tree at all. The house is described as it would still be decorated for Autumn.
https://www.facebook.com/amber.b.wilkinson/posts/10207974233535442
Quote from link -
You see, there was a beautiful wreath hanging on the front door. In spite of everything that had happened inside only a few days before, her house was spotless. Her Autumn candle was sitting on her kitchen countertop.
Seeing the autumn candle (still) on countertop disagrees with seeing the GIGANTIC Christmas tree that Amanda had put up just a few days before being completely and beautifully decorated, as Amber seems to describe -
It was the most beautiful sight. I slowly walked over to it, as each ornament and picture and memory caught my eye. There were ornaments I had never seen, and ornaments that have been on your tree every year since you've been married. There were tiny vintage frames with pictures of each person in our family.
It wasn't like Amanda had started decorating for Christmas and not finished the tree - it sounds like it was finished - all of the ornaments were there - yet Amanda left the "autumn" candle on the kitchen countertop ? As impeccable as Amanda was known to decorate and with everything in place, would the autumn candle have been replaced by a Christmas candle if the Christmas decorations were up and everything was immaculate? Not to mention 2 1/2 pieces of candy corn in a bowl - not peppermint sticks?
I think so. I think for sure. Maybe even peppermint sticks or candy canes in the bowl on the counter - Christmas candy instead of "two and a half pieces of candy corn" - seriously, who notices that exact amount of candy corn in such detail in the midst of such great sorrow?
Storytelling.
Oops, Amber. Your two Facebook posts describe the same date, Friday November 13th - and how you felt and what you saw and remembered about walking into the house and spending time in it - yet one of the posts describes a house not yet decorated for Christmas - and the other one describes Christmas decorations including a tree that you was supposed to have been surprised to see (the size of it, you say you were expecting a tiny Charlie Brown tree even though Amanda had told you just a few days ago that it was G I G A N T I C ! ! ! and you remembered that and Facebooked about it).
And yes yes to Bobcat's timeline counting backward from Monday to putting up the tree "just a few days before" - - would Amanda have rushed to put up a tree and get the house decorated for Christmas before going on that retreat to the hotel in Cincinnati where everyone gathered in the old abandoned basement ex-gym room and Amanda told God that she wanted His agenda for her life to be her agenda for her life? - there wasn't a huge window of time if one counts the days backward from when Amber and Amanda were supposedly talking about the $15 tree.
"two and a half pieces of candy corn" - seriously, who notices that exact amount of candy corn in such detail in the midst of such great sorrow?
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^^ Someone who subtly insults the victim.
Davey's dad went to the house on Wednesday the 11th? - he says
There was something at the house that Davey needed, and I didn’t want Davey going back into the house.
I wonder what time he was there - he says news crews were staked out in the cul de sac - Amanda was pronounced dead on Wednesday morning - weren't the professional cleaners there on Wednesday as well and had finished and left by Wednesday night?
Dave Blackburn says he saw the the "beautiful- beautifully decorated Christmas tree" but says nothing about any other type of disarray. And it seems that things would still be in disarray that soon after everything had happened (tm Amber).
Did Dave Blackburn not mention the conditions in the house out of respect for the situation (as opposed to his son who never missed a chance to point out that there was a pool of blood with Amanda in it) - or somehow had everything already been put back together after the cleaners left ? That seems almost impossible if he was really there on Wednesday.
I wonder what time the house was released so Davey's dad could even go inside it to retrieve whatever Davey needed (maybe snagging Amanda's journal was part of the mission ? - but Amber said her Bible and journal were "where they always were" and "on the living room table" when she was there on Friday 13th - so maybe the journal Davey carted around to his media appearances and said was Amanda's wasn't her real one).
Beautiful Christmas tree decorated and appearing unmolested on Wednesday 11th - when was it put up - when was it put up again if it was trashed in a scuffle on Monday or Tuesday before Davey left for the gym - what else did Dave Blackburn see - did he cross paths with the cleaning crew, were they gone by the time he arrived ?
"two and a half pieces of candy corn" - seriously, who notices that exact amount of candy corn in such detail in the midst of such great sorrow?
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^^ Someone who subtly insults the victim.
Meaning that Amanda should've had the bowl full of whatever candy it was?
Is candy corn considered to be "autumn candy" - I think so, my brother and I always hated to get that in our Halloween treat bags. It's definitely not Christmas candy.
If Amanda put up the GIGANTIC Christmas tree, I think she would've extended her efforts into the kitchen and switched out the autumn candle for a Christmas one.
So Amber sort of / subtly points out Amanda's imperfections - the stuff she didn't get quite right - under the guise of praising her and "missing her" ?
Hey Jude, yes please to your Christmas tree thoughts if you feel like posting them !
The mention of "small healthy meals" sent me back to an Instagram post made by crazy Davey in the weeks after Amanda's murder. It was a picture of plate of food with the words "eating healthy, who have I become?". It was a little thing but it annoyed the hell out of me. Talk about subtle insults to Amanda! how f*%ing rude. "Who have I become"? GTFO.
Cross fitting and healthy eating, murderer. Clearly he was amazed and impressed with his transitioning self. Amanda was obviously holding him back.
The idea of CD counselling the bereaved, at his luxury home come retreat, is alarming. Let's all hope that little money grubbing venture does not get off the ground.
Here's a pic from inside Davey's house on Nov 2, 2015. Still looks like it's decorated for fall. There is a bible on the table but no journal. And doesn't appear that the Christmas tree is up yet.
https://www.instagram.com/p/9m6qvoOH_U/
Oh great. Mom Con. Heavy emphasis of the "con".
daveyblackburnWe're on our way!! Can't wait to be with friends and to see what God is doing at #momcon2017
Anon @7.17
Is that a burglar alarm on the wall?
Nice pumpkin. Do y'all decorate for Christmas before Thanksgiving?
I'm still thinking on them Flightful. The tree is not in Davey or Amber's memory - I don't believe they 'blocked' the Christmas tree from their memories 'cause it fell,over It just is not there either when Amanda was murdered, or when Amber first writes about her first visit to the house after Amanda's murder. There is no GIGANTIC tree in the house. It is there by Wednesday, but it wasn't there when Davey sat on his sofa, when Davey sat in the living room beside Amanda, when he took mental snapshots of things which seemed out of place, or when he had his almost OBE and surveyed the murder scene from the balcony. No Christmas tree. It would be so interesting to know if there was a Christmas tree there by the time the paramedics arrived, if it's in the crime scene photos - weird if so, because it is not in Amber or Davey's memories.
I think it might be a bit of a red herring, and Amber or friends or neighbours put it up, in expectation of Davey returning home - but he didn't.
These are from Nov 10 and Nov 17. There are 2 cars in the driveway. One is the black SUV. The other looks like Amanda's black Honda. Many of the early reports had two cars in the driveway. I'm pretty sure Davey drove the Honda to the hospital, so someone had come back to the house. There are other news reports during the week after the murder with only the black SUV in the driveway.
https://www.wthr.com/article/coroner-pregnant-woman-dies-after-violent-northwest-indianapolis-home-invasion
https://www.wthr.com/article/impd-investigates-gun-found-15-blocks-away-from-fatal-home-invasion
Nice pumpkin. Do y'all decorate for Christmas before Thanksgiving?
If I remember correctly, in one of the Love Song videos Davey said they started playing Christmas music on November 1st (and then he immediately said "SAY SOMETHING", like "don't ridicule me").
But Amber said the autumn candle was on the kitchen countertop on Friday 13th - and in the separate Facebook post she said that the 10 foot tall Christmas tree was there on Friday 13th. . .and Davey's dad said the Christmas tree was up on Wednesday 11th. I dunno. The timeline doesn't make sense the way it is written right now. When would someone have had time - between when the house was released and when Davey's dad and Amber started showing up - to reinstall the tree and decorate it (10 feet tall would take awhile) and also straighten everything up to the point that it was ? - and who would have done it?
Think of this timeline too -
Th- the home inva, invasion, um, in Davey's house - along with whatever was done to Amanda - was supposed to have happened on Tuesday morning.
After Amanda was "carted from the house" by the medics, Davey and family (along with hundreds of others according to Amber) were gathered in the hospital all day Tuesday and part of Wednesday - I don't know how long they would've stayed around Methodist after Amanda was pronounced dead on Wednesday morning at 7:55am - once Davey knew there was not going to be any revival throughout the hospital because of Amanda's miraculous story (which was his original statement and hope).
By Wednesday evening (1) the house had already been released back to the family and (2) the professional/biohazard crime scene cleanup team had already come and gone and (3) IMPD had returned to the house to take another look at something (and was probably shocked / surprised that the biohazard cleaning crew had already come and gone).
So I wonder what time the house was released and then what time the cleaning crew arrived - could someone (cough Meg cough) have gone in and arranged things before the cleaning crew arrived - or after they left? SOMEONE had placed everything back the way it was supposed to be - even the 10 foot tall Christmas tree with the special photographic ornaments - by Friday when Amber walked in.
Meg lived in that house up until a short time before the events of Monday vs Tuesday - she would most likely remember where things were supposed to be located - I cannot remember any mention of Meg being around Amanda's bedside (not that she wasn't, but she was occupied with a major Etsy sale at the time - which she shamelessly plugged in the same social media post as saying she had lost a friend or whatever - so it doesn't seem like she would have been with the singing and worshiping mob) - she might have even made the arrangements for the cleaners.
Meg was Davey's (extremely loyal, from all appearances) assistant. Would she do whatever it took to protect him and help him out? And I still don't like it that she posted on Instagram about casting the mountain that is before her into the sea - right around the 10th (I bookmarked it but I do not have the exact date handy right now).
Maybe crazy, but when I hear Everett I think Everest - Davey stated in the WTHR interview that it was too early to know, um, the gender - but Amanda was sure it was a girl - I don't believe for one second that Amanda would have chosen that name for her little girl so for Davey to say "we" were going to call her Everett / Evie - whatever - is such a stretch.
And Everest is the highest and most formidable mountain in the world - and a second pregnancy would be a massive obstacle for a struggling church and family, not to mention unwanted by one of the partners.
Perhaps we could explore how Amber forgot how to spell banister?
1/20/16
No one else I would want to have next to me as we tossed our bouquets over the banister.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10208127883816603&set=a.2591341624581.2145596.1285843155&type=3&theater
12/24/16
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10211253533435890&set=a.2591341624581.2145596.1285843155&type=3&theater
Davey wanted the garland put up on the bannister just like you used to do.
HJ, maybe the tree isn't in Amber's memory at certain times because someone else did her writing at times?
Disney and Hollywood are unimaginative in comparison to Davey and Newspring creatives.
How does one define "all week"?
Amber 1/5/2016
https://www.facebook.com/amber.b.wilkinson/videos/10208026172233877/
"We had the BEST day on Monday. We met after Weston's morning nap at our most favorite place - the indoor PARK at Trader's Point Church. We have been there so many times. We sat on a park bench as we watched our kids play"
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"I went back to the indoor PARK just a few days after everything had happened. The kids had been stuck inside all week and desperately needed to burn some energy - I didn't know where else to go."
In the first section, Amber and Amanda take the kids to the park on Monday.
In the second section, Amber says the kids had been stuck inside ALL WEEK. Weren't the kids at the park on Monday?
And to repeat myself, the bolded sections above are both HINA clauses.
Thank you, Bobcat. I didn't remember that. But Amber sure turned to the Blackburn's, and it took than a year to work it out. That is weird to turn from your own family like that, weird to me.
Amber had a busy day on whatever day this was - was it the same day?
Not only did she go to the Sunnyfield Court house where "everything had happened inside only a few days before". . .
but she also went to the indoor PARK "just a few days after everything had happened" . . .
Of course they had to end up at the indoor PARK, how else would the volunteer be able to remember Amber with her "friend" and so helpfully look up the surveillance video and give it to her ! Saying that the kids had been cooped up all week is a plausible reason to go there and what a neat coincidence that the volunteer recognized her as the sister/friend/whatever who was with Amanda and then KNEW she would want the video to ALWAYS remember her (Amanda) by.
This case has more uncanny coincidences, things that happen to the day, things that fell so neatly into place - one might think it had been carefully orchestrated and choreographed almost to the minute. Time will tell.
Bobcat, is a HINA clause meant to explain "why", or does it indicate a certain type of information surrounding it -or what. I've googled it and I have not been successful at learning how to pick them out and understand what they mean.
These clauses appear in Amber's writings - which, I agree, might not always be written by Amber - especially because she obviously takes a great deal of time in writing these things and I imagine she proofs them over and over, more perfection desired - she would probably have caught the spelling of "banister" as "bannister" right?
Sirensong, Amber might have turned from her own family because she felt guilty to be around them and/or was afraid she might slip up, if indeed she was part of a coverrup or if her inaction caused harm to Amanda.
I wonder if Benjamin Franklin's quote "three may keep a secret, if two of them are dead" has any relevance here? It looks like Amber has already started slipping up in her spoken words as well as in her Facebook posts - she knows things, she is revealing them either unintentionally or on purpose.
A HINA Clause answers a question that has not been asked. It is of extremely high sensitivity.
"We met after Weston's morning nap at our most favorite place - the indoor PARK at Trader's Point Church. We have been there so many times."
Amber's first usage "We have been there so many times." not only answers a question that has not been asked, it answers a questions that is not necessary to ask. She has already introduced the park as THEIR FAVORITE PLACE. It is unlikely that one would ask her how many times she has been to the park with Amanda.
The sentence follows one in which she has already introduced the PARK as one of their favorite places to go. The second sentence not only is of the highest sensitivity, it is a Need to Persuade that being at the park was "normal".
So, how many instances is that now that Davey and Amber have used "normal" to describe Monday the 9th? It was not a normal day by a long shot, and Monday the 9th is also the day HJ won't explore. I wonder why.
Amber's "I didn't know where else to go" is another HINA clause, answering a second unnecessary question that has not been asked. She has already stated in her first HINA clause that the park was their favorite place to go and they have been there many times.
Because of the multiple HINA clauses of extreme sensitivity, her statement should be set aside as "contaminated." The accompanying alibi video is suspect, IMO.
Well, responding to myself at 10:16...
The kids were stuck inside ALL week (including Monday the 9th?) because Davey and Amber and Amanda were, uh, busy doing other things? Too busy to call 911?
Why does Amber capitalize PARK when writing about the indoor park?
Why did she feel the need to explain and justify why they were going there (both with Amanda and then with her kids just a few days after everything had happened ?
Thank you for the HINA clause explanation Bobcat, that cleared it up nicely !
Bobcat said:
So, how many instances is that now that Davey and Amber have used "normal" to describe Monday the 9th? It was not a normal day by a long shot, and Monday the 9th is also the day HJ won't explore. I wonder why.
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It is not that I won't, Bobcat. I have written several times on the Monday, mainly around the conversation Amber said she and Amanda had at the playpark, also that I think what Davey said about Monday morning was more likely Monday evening. If you are saying I have not thus far explored Monday in a way which has enabled all my thoughts to accord with all your thoughts - yes, I can agree with that. I am going at my own pace, I am still thinking about the Christmas tree, and about Amber's Friday visit to the house.
I think that 'all week' could well have begun from when Amanda was in the hospital because that would be such an interruption, psychologically, to how the week was meant to have been, it could be as if 'the week' started or re-started there and the Monday would or could be like it belonged to the previous week. There would be life before Amanda was in the hospital, and life after. So, I could see 'all week' there meaning since the Tuesday.
"If you are saying I have not thus far explored Monday in a way which has enabled all my thoughts to accord with all your thoughts - yes, I can agree with that."
It's not about my thoughts.
It's about Davey's and Amber's statements supporting each other. Davey will not speak of what happened after he kissed Amanda goodbye in the bathroom in the morning, other than she was cackling at night keeping him awake.
Amber (or someone else?) writes elaborate stories about Monday "I could go on and on and on" within extremely sensitive and contaminated statements, while Davey will not speak of it.
I've not thought about it like that until now - how Davey says virtually nothing about Amanda on Monday - yet Amber not only remembers everything - and in such extreme detail - but will ALWAYS remember it.
Quite the discrepancy - I am not sure which speaks more loudly - Davey's silence or Amber's flowery Facebook posts. They do contradict each other.
That might be because Davey did not see Amanda through the Monday when he was doing his errands, and sorting out his agenda, and also because they possibly were not on speaking terms at the time - whilst Amber did spend the day with Amanda, so has memories, even if they differ from the way she has written. Only might be. There wouldn't be anything he could say if he didn't see Amanda through the day, or later when they were together, if he and Amanda were not on speaking terms. He didn't SAY goodbye to Amanda that morning, he kissed her goodbye. Why - because she was dying, which I think Bobcat proposed, or because they were not speaking to each other? He maybe didn't really kiss her goodbye.
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IDK. Is that like 'I told her I loved her' - but he can't bring himself to say that, so he says he kissed her goodbye, instead? iDK. Went off and left Amanda incapacitated in the bathroom all day... I think it all happened that evening. If not, where was Weston all that day? Who looked after him? Why would not the person who looked after him come forward to contradict Amber's playpark, Mamaw and shopping accounts?
***I went back to the indoor PARK just a few days after everything had happened. The kids had been stuck inside all week and desperately needed to burn some energy - I didn't know where else to go. Weston was there, and oh how surreal it was playing with him in the exact spot I stood only a few days before with Amanda. It was almost more than I could bare. A sweet lady came over to me and asked if I had been there on Monday with my "friend". She said - "I just couldn't help but watch you two interact. You touched her belly, and it was just such a sweet moment. I knew you had to be the best of friends." She was volunteering that day, and offered to look up video footage from the security cameras from the time we were there on Monday. She said it would be something to help me to ALWAYS REMEMBER her by. She ACTUALLY sent me the video. It is 47 seconds with no sound - but it doesn't matter. It means more to me than I'll ever be able to explain. God knows what He is doing, and He sure does know how to take care of His children. I thank Him everyday for the gift He gave to me this day. It is a memory I can't forget - and one I will always, ALWAYS remember.
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Amber says ‘….I didn't know where else to go. Weston was there….’
Amber avoids saying who accompanied Weston to the playpark. She makes it sound as though she went there casually, not expecting to see Weston - ‘I didn’t know where else to go.’
Who does Amber so much need to eliminate from the play park memory? Why? She makes it sound as though Weston just decided to go and hang out at the playpark all by his then one year old self.
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Also, here Amber varies from her usual ‘ALWAYS remember’ by also saying, ‘it’s a memory I can’t forget’. Is there any significance to that? Is ‘can’t forget’ something she would prefer to forget? How do you say when a person keeps saying they will ‘always remember’? Is that how people really think? I don’t think ‘I will ALWAYS remember’, I either remember something, or I don’t. Do people think like that about remembering, whether they will or not? Not forgetting or ‘can’t forget’ seems quite different from ‘will always remember’ - like, that’s intentional, something you are going to do.
Out of interest and if anyone wants to respond - how do you phrase your recollection of a really good memory, and is it consistent? How also of a bad memory, and is it consistent?
Davey's choice of words about Monday 9th after he kissed Amanda goodbye -saying he had a whole "agenda" along with the other words - correlates with Amanda's prayer which both Davey and Ashley Barrett quoted in Facebook posts - about her praying and being sorry for making her life about her agenda and that she wanted God's agenda for her life to be her agenda for her life.
That word "agenda"- it's not common. Maybe just me, but to me it is a much stronger word and expresses more of an urgency in a task - it's a list of things that MUST be accomplished - compared to just running around and getting stuff done on errands, making all of the stops you have to make throughout a certain day.
And it has been said and repeated (I realize, over and over) that wow, what a coincidence
- that Amanda prayed on Monday morning that God would just use them in a really big way
- that she prayed in the leadership retreat the weekend before she was killed that she wanted God's agenda for her life to be her agenda for her life
- that her journal said even if the "what ifs" happen that she knows God is the author of her faith and the author of this story - and we don't know what the future holds but we know who holds the future - and thanking God for letting her get to see all of this with her own eyes . . . three journal posts of many that support Amanda being "all good" with being the sacrificial lamb and giving her life for Indy.
it goes on and on and on and on. SO obvious.
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It definitely seems strange that Davey - who tries to be such a communicative speaker and visual picture painter in his blog posts - says so LITTLE about what Amanda was doing, how she was feeling, what she said - on Monday morning and Monday night - as well as what she was doing on Tuesday morning when he left her . . . left for the gym and left the front door unlocked.
Even if she was just peacefully sleeping when he left on Tuesday morning - surely there are some words he could use to describe that - but he will not. Or cannot.
Everything he said about Amanda on Monday morning (except for kissing her goodbye) has supported his agenda. He says she was "just praying that God would use us in a really big way" - he says she was "on her knees leading the way in surrender" - and then he kisses her goodbye - and says nothing else about her until she is annoying him laughing at dumb finds on Instagram while he is trying to sleep.
I understand Davey won't have the "all day" memories on Monday that Amber had - assuming that Amber and Amanda really did do all of that running around together in the late afternoon after jumping in the leaves at Mamaw's and before meeting back for the "family dinner" of which there are mysteriously and inexplicably no selfies, no pictures of everyone around the table - nothing posted to social media about the last time they were all together.
Sure, Davey was off pouring himself out, meeting with people, pushing the ball forward and meeting his agenda and whatever the hell else he said he was doing on Monday - so he supposedly was not with Amanda at all during that day. BUT - were they, or were they not, all together at Mamaw's on Monday night - with Davey chasing Weston around and Amanda sitting on the couch laughing? Is there absolutely nothing that Davey can write about that night, no memories to share?
Invisible doesn't even begin to describe it. And almost too visible in Amber's renditions of things - but yet not visible at all. Amber's thundering on remembering EVERYTHING almost smacks of hiding in plain sight - with all the information given, it is easy to lose sight of the fact that all of this quite possibly did not happen the way we are supposed to believe it did.
Hey Jude, I also wonder who took Weston to the indoor PARK - he obviously didn't get there alone. Amber just says "Weston was there" - was Davey there too, and if so, why didn't she say it?
Here's a post copy/pasted from a "grieving" message board - from someone whose husband died and her memories of the last time they were together- beautiful and sweet especially compared to Davey's last stated interaction with Amanda which was him being annoyed at her laughing at "dumb finds on Instagram". . .
My husband died on 5/1/15 so it's not all that recent but I can't seem to get passed it.
I love to tell the story because to me it was just so romantic. A little background, we met later in life, I was 46 and he was 55. Not long after meeting, he had heart failure and had a triple bypass and a pig valve put in his heart. We talked about our hopes and dreams and in the meantime, we buried his parents and his only sibling. It was just the two of us.
I came home from a little part time job that I had in a greenhouse and he met me on the porch with a cold beer in each hand. I laughed because although I was not opposed to a cold beer, he didn't drink. He said, I want to have a beer with you and take the dogs for a walk. So we did. He told me on the walk that he really hadn't made anything for dinner and would I mind if we just had grilled cheese and tomato soup. When I responded that I thought that was a great idea, I couldn't believe those words were coming from my mouth since I don't like grilled cheese and tomato soup. He said great! you make the sandwiches and I'll make the soup. So we ate and it was really, really good.
I told him that I was so tired and I was going to lay in bed for about an hour and then get up and take a bath. Well, when i woke up, it was midnight and he was watching tv.
I walked into the kitchen and he came in and said, okay, changing of the guard, i'm going to bed and I said I was going to stay up on the computer. He took my face in his hands and told me that he loved me and I said I know you do and he said no I don't think you do. I really really love you and I said ok silly go to bed and he did. I went in at 7 in the morning to get that bath that I needed and found him dead.
I love that we had such a simple no nonsense night and he had a beer for me and I had a grilled cheese and soup for him. It may sound corny to some but to me it's the memory of a lifetime.
Flightful - It could be Amber had arranged to meet there with whoever had Weston, or Davey turned up with Weston, knowing Amber would be there, in order to use Amber as an excuse to ask for the video. Someone posted some time back that it was Davey who had asked for the video. Was that ever verified, or just a theory?
Was Davey concerned about what might have been on the video - was he on it at some point, had he gone to the playpark in search of Amanda on Monday - is that possibly why Amanda ‘raced’ from the carpark to Mamaw’s?
Amber may have avoided saying who had brought Weston, because it was Davey, and because she knew Davey had asked the volunteer for video of the Monday. Amber makes it sound as though the volunteer was spontaneous in offering the tape, and as if she had not even known she and Amanda were sisters -‘your friend’ - but it would be interesting to know if she had first been asked for it, and if rather than give it to Davey, she had spoken to and sent it to Amber directly. It’s fair to say local suspicion of Davey was high, the volunteer probably would have informed the police if someone asked for the video. The police may have told her how to respond - there may have been some delay as it was ‘sent’ to Amber. Amber might have considered it best not to say, if Davey had asked for video, so edited out his presence from the playpark, making it seem spontaneous gesture on the part of the volunteer to offer her the video, but - Weston was there. Well, the video Amber received may have been edited so as to only show Amber and Amanda, and the bits in which Davey was interested, not included. He tracked her with findmyiphone app. Maybe he didn’t want her to go with Amber on Monday - worried she was hatching a plan to leave him, working it out with Amber. Wonder why she was going slow on Monday morning.
I do see how Amber opens herself to so much suspicion, but I continue to think it is because she herself is afraid of Davey.
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So much speculation - I don't know if Davey asked at the reception if there was video. I believe someone posted here that he did, but it's in the same tray as 'they only had one key' as far as there being no verification for it. Would have most likely been Davey or Meg at the playpark with Weston, though. They would have been in and out at Traders Point arranging the funeral over a couple of days, probably.
Flightful @6.40 - Sad -It sounds like he knew or sensed he was soon going to die.
"He tracked her with findmyiphone app. Maybe he didn’t want her to go with Amber on Monday - worried she was hatching a plan to leave him, working it out with Amber. Wonder why she was going slow on Monday morning."
Did he track her on Sunday when she "got lost" with Amber?
IF he had already had a plan to have Amanda murdered (on Wednesday the 11th - four years TO THE DAY after moving to Indy), but she decided to leave him anyway, he had to restrain her earlier than planned.
That would make his described annoyance at her on Monday evening make even more sense. He wasn't pissed off so much at the noise she was making, but because she had thrown his master plan off by a day.
"I thought I had another day, to appreciate the annoying things."
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/09/942016-what-happens-when-you-die-week-5.html
We know Davey does like his "to the day" dates so arranging a murder to fall on that certain day sounds like him (beware Weston and the rest of the family on any other significant dates in the future - that statement is partially tongue in cheek and partially serious - that would be too obvious even for Davey).
But Davey and Kenneth Wagner were speaking every Tuesday, as Kenneth tweeted and as he said in the "How Did We Get Here" appearance at Resonate (and what you need to know about this story is that me and Davey would speak every Tuesday). . . and Tuesday was the 10th . . .
. . . so if Davey was shooting for the 11th to have Amanda murdered (see what just happened - I chose that word in a microsecond while I was writing on the fly and noticed as soon as I typed it that "shooting" ----> Amanda was shot). Wild. It gives a whole new meaning to me now as far as what comes out in Davey's words, in Amber's words, in their writing - especially before they were aware of statement analysis.
Anyway, if Davey was shooting for the 11th to have Amanda murdered to make the story more significant -- four years ago to the day these courageous church planters uprooted their lives and moved to Indianapolis. Amanda laid down her life so that hundreds and thousands of people in Indianapolis and across the n-nation, even th-the world, would come to know Jesus. . . . -- then he and Kenneth should have been talking on Wednesdays not Tuesdays.
Even in Davey's infinite carefully choreographed planning, he couldn't have predicted that Amanda would linger on life support into the 11th - right? but that timing worked nicely for his story.
Why does he say Amanda gave her life, paint her as a martyr like Stephen who was stoned for his beliefs, continually point out that she had to die to breathe life into the church? He needs to make up his mind about the story - but it's too late for that. Amanda didn't give her life - it was taken - these were supposed to be random burglars who surprised the homeowner - not people who were telling her to renounce her faith or die !
I think Amanda was going to leave him. The Love Song Week Six Q&A was taped in October (18th I think). Amanda made no secret of her feelings in that video - nor did he for her. When Davey talked about getting around the internet filters, it was like a light clicked on.
And I agree with those who have said that if Amanda's family got wind of what she was thinking, they might/would have wanted to encourage or urge her to stick with Davey to preserve the image of the perfect family with best friends married to sisters, and the son in law is a PASTOR even - Camelot. Even above her well-being, happiness and safety - the image was / and still appears to be - everything to them.
With respect to Davey being annoyed at Amanda on Monday night - I continue to like the theory that he had to explain a reason for her "sounds" to anyone walking outside the house who might've heard them through a window. That, or it just goes to show what a selfish ass he is that he had to tell everyone that he got annoyed at his dead wife because she was laughing while he was trying to sleep on the night before she was killed.
Why not tell something Amanda did "right", when you are talking about her? Oh yeah right, poor computer-illiterate Amanda wasn't well traveled, well read or well to do - but the minute she stepped into eternity she heard "well done". Yeah I know it's the words to a song - but no less disparaging because of that.
"That, or it just goes to show what a selfish ass he is that he had to tell everyone that he got annoyed at his dead wife because she was laughing while he was trying to sleep on the night before she was killed."
Dead/dying wives don't laugh...
I meant "late" wife - or deceased wife . . . when Davey was referring to her in that appearance. From what he says, Amanda was still alive on Monday night - but in what condition? Had she already been beaten, tooth/teeth knocked out (even if accidental during a scuffle as opposed to being kicked in the teeth like Davey says) - had she already been shot one or more times ?
How about Amanda was going slow Monday morning because she wanted Davey to think she was all relaxed, and content, and leisurely and not thinking even a bit about trying to leave him, or trying to leave him again - and she maybe overdid it, and that made him even more rather than less suspicious.
Was that gifted car maybe taken up and stashed away somewhere near Amber's place, Amanda would need it for when she left Davey, her old car was on its last legs. Maybe they didn't really gift it, and Amanda just told Davey she was going to, and then that she had, because she was going to need it herself. Then when it got a speeding ticket in her name, he knew it wasn't gifted, Amanda still had it. maybe. He'd know she intended to leave him, she'd have issues to write about in her journal, and 'an agenda' of her own. Just a thought - I think we don't know what happened to the car. He had it after Amanda died, or only before? How long did they have it - how long after Amanda said she wanted to gift it? Imagination in over-drive again, sorry 'bout that.
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Yes, Bobcat - he thought he had another day, but 'everything that happened' had to happen sooner than it was meant to, because Amanda was trying to run away and to fulfil her own agenda, which probably was just to live. It's so awful to think she probably anticipated that something terrible was going to happen to her, or to Weston, because of Davey's desperation to grow his church - 'Whatever it Takes!' <-- Too many coincidences, they surely all can't be just misfortunate.
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Why did Amber come back from the holiday early? It is not as though she returned for a job, or an appointment she had to attend to, as she then decided to stay on at Indy for a few days - she could have continued the family holiday for those days. Did Amanda ask her to come back because she was afraid of Davey? Where they were going when they got lost - did Davey find them? Wouldn't Amanda have taken a different phone from the one Davey used to keep tabs on her with the findmyiphone app?
Hey Jude wrote -
Why did Amber come back from the holiday early? It is not as though she returned for a job, or an appointment she had to attend to, as she then decided to stay on at Indy for a few days - she could have continued the family holiday for those days.
^ ^ This ^ ^
Amber came back early, leaving the rest of the family in California.
She came back on a flight into Indianapolis, when the rest of the family flew back into Chicago and then had to drive down to Indy.
If she had to return for work or whatever and just happened to be flying into Indy because flights weren't available into Chicago or a closer airport to Elkhart on that travel date, then she wouldn't have been able to stay around for a few days at Amanda's encouragement.
It's a mystery why she cut the vacation short and just happened to be in Indianapolis and be able to hang around there for a few days.
And yeah I wonder if something was going to happen to Weston, like Levi Lusko's daughter (although she had an illness I think - I've not read the book or watched the video) - and Amanda stepped into his place somehow. Did she have an idea it was either Weston or her? She "rose up and protected the precious life she had brought into the world" - Davey says she was protecting him - so did Davey's dad. So many of their statements and Davey's blog posts indicate that Weston needed to be protected and that was why Amanda died.
Perhaps Amanda didn't know he was tracking her - the app is meant to be for finding your own phone, not so someone can keep tabs on you. Maybe Amanda wasn't driving Amber to Mamaw's at all, and they didn't get lost, she just was not headed there. Maybe they were going to the safety of Amber's house, where Gavin would be, but didn't get there, because Davey was tracking her. It's unlikely they got lost - They both would have known the route from the airport.
I suspect she was given the choice, - you or Weston, Amanda - you choose. That's the only way I can make sense of all Davey's bizarre martyr and laying down her life talk. That's somehow real to him, if not to anyone else. and it does not fit with Amanda being the victim of random home invaders, who as you say, would not have been concerned in the idea that Amanda should renounce her faith, or die.
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Levi Lusko's five year old daughter was an asthma sufferer - she died, in hospital, from an asthma attack.
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Davey was greatly influenced by the book, and made Amanda read it with him on their 'romantic getaway' to Chicago, just a couple of weeks before Amanda was murdered. See how unhappy she was in the videos. I think Amanda might have had an inclination then that her or Weston's days were numbered. Well, they do appear to have been, if one short, as he did say 'I thought I had another day'. not as would be expected, 'many other days', or 'years', or the rest of their lives - just 'another day'.
I think people don't 'appreciate' the annoying things' about a person. He had already said how annoying he found Amanda's laughing hysteric, like he had never heard, so he would be unlikely to 'appreciate' it any more the next day.
Or it, can be used as an alternative to 'understand' - as in, 'I appreciate that is what you believe' .
recognize the full worth of.
"she feels that he does not appreciate her"
synonyms: value, respect, prize, cherish, treasure, admire, hold in high regard, hold in esteem, rate highly, think highly of, think much of, have a high opinion of, set (great) store by
"by this time, the college appreciated me rather more"
2.
understand (a situation) fully; grasp the full implications of.
"they failed to appreciate the pressure he was under"
They had been married quite a few years, so it's unlikely he had not heard Amanda laughing so much in all that time up till then - so I think she was not laughing, and would not have found anything to laugh about at that time. He maybe knows that too, so he 'finds' something for Amanda to have been able to laugh about so hysterically AND late at night - dumb finds on Instagram. He could have said she was laughing at something she saw online, but he makes sure to say it was at 'dumb finds on Instagram', and she was keeping him awake, as if to say she was being inconsiderate.He's blaming Amanda, even though that didn't happen, IMO. I think it's an invention to account forl 'hysteric' noise coming from Amanda which he thinks could have been heard from outside.
Amber says Amanda had the BEST laugh, which might be to contradict Davey's claim that she had that annoying hysteric gut-laugh - which he had never heard before. She is maybe trying to say she had never heard Amanda laughing in such a way either - she had the BEST laugh. She doesn't contradict Davey directly, but it could have been intended as a contradiction.
In the video posted the other day about Davey and Weston's life, he says Weston has Amanda's gut laugh - which was 'rare' - that 'Dumb finds on Instagram' laugh explanation is still on his mind? As if to say, it's true, Weston has the same laugh. A problem is that a two year old's laugh is nothing like that of any adult's - Weston might laugh like Amanda laughed when she was two, but that is not what he is saying - he shares that 'rare' gut laugh of Amanda's. I think only he has described hearing Amanda 'laugh hysteric' in that way. Must be because it is 'rare'. She rarely laughed like that, but if dumb finds on Instagram produced such a laugh, it would surely be heard quite often - I'd think she would have to have been quite a fan, if she even would watch them in bed, while Davey was trying to sleep. I don't believe any of what he said about that, excepting the word 'hysteric', Amanda was hysteric about something, and that Davey was telling her to shut up, but not politely, as he claims.
If Amanda had 'laid down her life' - chosen to die - he could believe it was not murder, because she had chosen to die. As with Jesus, to whom Amanda has been likened. It is not said that Jesus was murdered, but that he laid down his life - he knew he would be killed if he went to Jerusalem, he even knew who would betray him - he chose to die, for our sake. Davey's justification for Amanda's death, in terms of sacrifice, and laying down her life so that Weston could live, and of her martyrdom is strong - I believe him. What he says is not just the irrational rambling of a grieving widower pastor trying to make sense of his wife's murder - if it had been, it would have soon passed. He persisted, it was a theme, a message, though it is against all logic, and not how it could have been, if Amanda had been the victim of a random home invasion, burglary gone wrong. So, I believe something else happened, along the lines of what Davey keeps saying. Amanda laid down her life so that Weston could live, and in order to grow Resonate church, and so that the story could go out into the whole world, reaching millions (also making millions?).
I wish a good investigative podcaster would get on this case. It is amazing how many fumbled cases that exist all around. If Payne Lindsey had not gone to small town Georgia and put the spotlight on the Tara Grinstead, the case would still be cold. It is amazing how many people were keeping secrets. That case should have been solved within a week.
Not one person asked Davey Blackburn any tough questions at all. If he is not guilty, he should be happy to talk to someone about the case, even someone who has questions about his gun sermon and posting it after her funeral, leaving the door unlocked, his quick acceptance of the death, the varying stories of what he walked into, the scene he walked into-how did a ladder get knocked down but a glowy tree stayed up. Who went in and cleaned everything up so well that Amber was able to walk into such a perfect, serene scene. Why the rush to call professional cleaners. I doubt the police would be willing to be interviewed by the podcaster but why clear the husband of pregnant lady within 24 hours when you don't even have a suspect.
I think there is an investigative reporter on this case. I don't know any details but I sure hope someone can get to the bottom of all the inconsistencies, story telling and odd Davey behavior. If he is not guilty, I would think he would be eager to clear his name.
If he is not guilty, I would think he would be eager to clear his name
I would think so too.
Especially after 22 months of this -
So many people - not only in Indianapolis or the USA but literally around the world- have issues with all of the inconsistencies and coincidences and weird actions and statements by and from Davey Blackburn - and they have pointed them out and documented them on various message boards and blogs.
Even his own brother Jono shined a spotlight on Amanda's appearance in the hospital and that blog post of his more or less stated to the world (to anyone who was fortunate enough to read the blog) that his brother wasn't telling the truth about Amanda - comparing Jono's description of her to Davey's "I honestly thought" it was a miscarriage story makes Davey's version of what he saw and thought completely impossible / implausible.
Peter's panel of detectives said "nobody is this lucky".
Movie spoiler for "The Fugitive" follows now -
In the movie "The Fugitive" - with Harrison Ford as Dr Richard Kimble and Tommy Lee Jones as FBI agent Gerard - Harrison Ford looked to be guilty of killing his wife. He did not kill her. And he went to all extremes to clear his name - he repeated it and never stopped - he literally screamed at Tommy Lee Jones "I DIDN'T KILL MY WIFE ! ! !" while he was being chased.
Spoiler finished -
And yet we cannot get even a tiny fragment of this from Davey - no attempt to clear his name, no attempt to explain his statements and answer our questions.
All we get is justification - that he guarantees Amanda would give her life to see people saved, that she in her death impacted so many more people than she EVER would have been able to impact had she lived, that she's better off in heaven having the time of her life
and excuses - she was about to get up anyways so I didn't lock the front door
and lies - I had no idea anyone had been in my house - and- my first thought (or I honestly thought) that something had gone horrifically wrong with the pregnancy
Davey has addressed some things on his blog in response to statements made on the various message boards - such as starting to mention the unborn baby in his writings and appearances and even giving her a name, after people were commenting that he never mentioned a baby (which he didn't - his carefully prepared initial statement released almost immediately after Amanda was pronounced dead had nothing to do with the unborn baby).
But he has not addressed the biggest elephants in the room - maybe because there is no way he can defend or explain some of his words and actions. He has explained alot in an attempt to appear innocent - but he has never directly or even indirectly denied having any involvement whatsoever, in any form, in what happened to Amanda.
And I cannot see any way he can explain away the conflicts between what he told Detective Perkins in the Affidavit For Probable Cause compared to what he has told thousands upon thousands of people in his multiple appearances this past 22 months.
Davey's still not charged and arrested? ????
Just thought I'd check in and see if LE has followed through on this ingenious investigation from you armchair sleuths.
Anonymo 6.42. Even if Davey is arrested and charged, he should still have the right to the presumption of innocence unti he is found guilty by a court of law. Don't be so closed minded. It's called due process and he's just as entitled to it as you are.
Yeah.....but......but.....you sleuths here know he's guilty and have since the beginning. How can you know so much more than LE?
Hmmmm
Unless.....
You're wrong GASP
You're wrong if you don't think Davey Blackburn has the right to a fair trial. Just like Mark Redwine does. Due process.
Where did you get that impression? I mean...I've been reading here since the murder, and these expert online sleuths have talked it all out and decided a long time ago that Davey is guilty.
I just don't understand how these geniuses can know so much more than LE. Why.....they convicted Davey almost immediately.
As difficult as it is for you if you are suspicious of a murderer, you cannot ignore his right to due process. you should know that 6.42. Just because a person is arrested and charged, doesn't mean they are guilty.
Ironic that you speak truth in a forum that has had Davey convicted of murder from the beginning. It's also rather funny that you don't get the sarcasm of my post.
If it's so obvious, why does LE not have anything substantial to charge him?
I think the genius sleuths here are pretty lousy.
By the same token, just because a person isn't arrested and charged doesn't make them innocent either.
1. He is however, presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
2. He is entitled to due process in a court of law, with a trial by a judge or jury of his peers.
3. In legal terms "proven beyond a reasonable doubt" does not mean proven beyond a/any/all shadow of doubt.
Anony, 10.44. Were you being sarcastic? Sorry, I couldn't tell. LOLOL. My point is just to say just because the police arrest him and charge him, doesn't mean he's guilty. It doesn't mean he's innocent if he's not arrested or charged either. That is right.You shouldn't jump the gun. Due process is a right for all. You can think the genius sleuths here are pretty all day long if you want to but the truth is Davey Blackburn and Mark Redwines innocents or guiltless is a matter for the legal system and the law courts. It's not for you to decide if the genius sleuths are right or wrong or if the police are right or wrong to charge him, that's for the courts to decide. I hope that clears up your little misunderstanding. ;)
It seems that Davey might have overlooked at least one small detail when he was preparing Amanda's story aka Davey's story to share with his audiences. . .
A small detail, yet very important.
This was supposed to be a random home invasion/burglary by unknown thugs, yes ? - guy goes to the gym early in the morning, his house is "broken into" while he was gone, another house on the same street was also hit around the same timeframe, and the guy's wife encountered the thugs and they inflicted all of these injuries and gunshots on her - yet they only stole an ATM card, a couple of books and a laptop?
So IF thugs did indeed enter your house and beat your wife, knocked out her teeth, pulled up her shirt and removed her underwear and shot her three times - wouldn't you have wanted to be sure to stick to the story that someone had been in your house and had done all of these things?
If you had no idea anyone had been in your house. . .
. . . why did you tell Detective Perkins that there was a Swisher Sweet package on the kitchen counter that did not belong in your residence ?
. . . and why were you taking mental snapshots of things that were out of place while you were waiting for the paramedics ?
. . . did you not see the duct tape, earbuds, ladder and lamp turned over, change scattered on the landing, credit cards scattered on the floor ?
To Resonate Church, Davey's parents, Byars family, Kenneth Wagner - news flash, your pastor - son - brother-in-law, son-in-law, best friend is flat-out lying when he says he had no idea anyone had been in his house. Jono already knows his brother is lying about this. There is no other way to explain this contradiction in Davey's conflicting statements when comparing what he is saying in appearances to what he told Detective Perkins that morning.
Davey had to start saying he had no idea anyone had been in his house - because he didn't indicate on the 911 call that he thought anyone had been in his house.
Anonymous Bella said...
Anony, 10.44. Were you being sarcastic? Sorry, I couldn't tell. LOLOL. My point is just to say just because the police arrest him and charge him, doesn't mean he's guilty. It doesn't mean he's innocent if he's not arrested or charged either. That is right.You shouldn't jump the gun. Due process is a right for all. You can think the genius sleuths here are pretty all day long if you want to but the truth is Davey Blackburn and Mark Redwines innocents or guiltless is a matter for the legal system and the law courts. It's not for you to decide if the genius sleuths are right or wrong or if the police are right or wrong to charge him, that's for the courts to decide. I hope that clears up y
Clears it up? LOLOL! I think your mind is more than a bit muddled. You seem dense as a post. However, you're right. The genius sleuths here need to understand their condemnation of Davey is unimportant ..... irrelevant. His guilt or innocence will be decided legally.
Fact is, he hasn't been arrested. He isn't under suspicion. He isn't being investigated, so the ongoing two year discussion by the genius sleuths here is absolutely irrelevant.
Hope this clears up your misconceptions.
Does anyone else besides me find it weird that Amanda's laying there dying (because Larry Taylor allegedly just shot her repeatedly),he's got a cell phone to communicate with Watson and Gordon, and he's just waiting around to be picked up when there's a vehicle there with keys likely in her purse that he could just steal? Why would he not just walk out into the driveway or garage, get in the vehicle and drive away to meet them remotely and ditch her vehicle? It's not like they hadn't already stolen a vehicle that morning? It seems odd, especially if this was an unplanned shooting. Why would Taylor wait around for a pick-up, only to have to walk out of the neighborhood, when he could drive out? Which attracts more attention (and increases the potential for being either confronted and escalating the situation or being more easily identifiable) walking down the sidewalk past numerous houses and residents out and about or simply driving away?
Why would Taylor & Co. not take her wedding rings or any other jewelry or watches she had to pawn? Why would they not ransack and take Davey's gun from his grandfather? Their checkbook?
The other thing I'm not getting is that Davey waited months to "mention" offhandedly that he was the one who left the front door unlocked (both the handle set and the deadbolt), but not one mention of their alarm system (sensors visible directly above the front door)
https://www.instagram.com/p/gyRazDr6ZL/?taken-by=amandagblackburn https://www.instagram.com/p/1HQbdbr6Xp/?taken-by=amandagblackburn
So, he left the door unlocked and the alarm system deactivated? Even though there had been recent break-ins ain and around their neighborhood? Even though even he alluded to the fact that Amanda was feeling vulnerable, discussing security concerns with the neighbors? Even though the neighbors had in recent months formed a Neighborhood Watch?
Davey told IMPD early on the morning of November 10th that he left the front door unlocked.
Very forthcoming with that information, wasn't he? Could that be in response to a comment by the detective about no evidence of forced entry? I bet Detective Perkins was curious as to why the 911 dispatcher only send EMTs to tend to an injury and didn't also send IMPD to investigate a breakin.
The Affidavit of Probable Cause says this - (bolded mine)
"At 9:01 A.M. Detective Pete Perkins responded to Methodist Hospital to investigate the nature of Amanda Blackburn's injuries. . . . .
Police spoke with David Blackburn at Methodist. Blackburn said he left his home around 6:00 A.M. in his black 1997 Honda Civic to work out at L.A. Fitness at 4015 Shore Drive. Blackburn stated that he left the front door unlocked when he left. He left the gym at approximately 7:10 A.M., and was talking on the phone with his friend, Kenneth Wagner. Blackburn stated that he remained on the phone on the way home and was still on the phone when he arrived home at approximately 7:30 A.M. He stayed on the phone in the driveway until he entered around 8:20 A.M."
And the gym and phone call alibis were in place from the very beginning as well.
Datalounge has uncovered some VERY interesting information. The house that Taylor was dropped off at after the murder is owned by someone named Barrett.
Has datalounge revealed what happened on 11/9/15?
Davey looks strained in this picture from the Mom Con thing. He doesn't look as jovial and light-hearted as he did the week after Amanda left for the party portal.
Right after Amanda "passed" https://www.facebook.com/AmandaBlackburnStatementAnalysis/photos/a.308973289517983.1073741832.155083181573662/363966404018671/?type=3&theater
A few days ago
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10212368507500567&set=a.3752895573726.152979.1016503601&type=3&theater
His smile looks strained and he has aged quite a bit. The week after the conundrum, he looks like he hit the lottery.
Compare the picture from a few days ago to this one approximately eight weeks after - talk about looking like hitting the lottery, both Davey and Zack Woolever too. The third guy - not so much.
https://www.facebook.com/Jutice4AmandaBlackburn/photos/rpp.1652577575022706/1726992424247887/?type=3&theater
Yes, struggling to put on a happy "all is ok, the walls are NOT closing in on me" face for thef moms.
Rehash & Ruminating- LOL Feel free to scroll and roll
Thinking about that Worship as a Weapon sermon Davey preached two days before he left his front door unlocked, alarm system deactivated, and his pregnant wife was shot to death in their home.
He posted a pic of his sermon planning on October 14, 2015
daveyblackburn @daveyblackburn 14 Oct 2015
"My blood is PUMPING already to preach this message in 4 weeks! Sometimes planning way ahead has its downsides"
He listed his biggest worries/stressors- bad news from a doctor, medical bills, unplanned pregnancy, etc.
Amber's statement that Amanda was "eating her small healthy meals religiously" and drinking her water as she always did when she was pregnant. A prone to reading her journals as Davey was (and is), as aware of Amanda's whereabouts as he was (Find My I-Phone) as Davey was, and as self-disciplined as Amanda was, there's a good chance Davey already suspected Amanda was pregnant before she actually "told Davey". By the morning of November 8th, he seems to be hitting all the marks for a pregnancy he just found about and yet the sermon was planned 4 weeks in advance.
On the Monday morning prior to the murder, Davey places Amanda not in her "normal position propped up on their bed studying her Bible and praying" while he was doing the same elsewhere in the house, but on her knees next to the bed "in a position of surrender". I'm wondering if Davey wasn't being snarky there and Amanda was actually battling morning sickness on the floor (Amber's odd need to comment about Amanda's eating habits when pregnant- many women who struggle with morning sickness are "religious" about eating those small healthy meals to minimize that).
With that in mind, Davey came out early after
Amanda's murder saying that at the Resonate Leadership Retreat Nov. 6-7,"Amanda led out in prayer" asking forgiveness for making it all about her and her agenda-"surrendering". The irony is that the actual picture accompanying that particular post is of Davey in the center of the circle on his knees dramatically praying and bowing, with Amanda across the room.
Does any of this automatically make him a murderer? No. But it does mkae Dave even "luckier". ;)
From the worship is a weapon sermon: The, the first time that I saw World War Z (2013), I began to go home and plan out how I was going to combat against, the zombie apocalypse. You know? I got a gun. I was like, 'You ain't coming in here.' You know?
So Crazy Davey was ready for the zombie apocalypse. A home invasion while his pregnant wife and infant son slept in their beds...not so much, unfortunately.
And where is the gun, now? Good question. The above was not the only time Davey referenced his gun and his willingness to use it. In one sermon he says "I believe in gun control. If you come into my house, I will control you. With my gun."
I guess that only applies if you're lucky enough to rob dangerous Davey's place in the 90 minute window he happens to be away, at the gym between 6:00 - 7:30 am. On a Tuesday. Talk about serendipity. Those burglars could have been shot like Amanda was.
Amanda, "on her knees in a posture of surrender, praying that God would use her in a really big way". is so alarming. (When it was questioned whether Amanda might have been experiencing horrible morning sickness, crazy Davey added the words to the scenario ie. II was praying...." Originally, seeing Amanda on her knees, beside the bed in a posture of surrender was enough for crazy Davey to know Amanda would "have still said 'Yes.'" To being murdered.
I wonder if the autopsy showed any abrasions, or carpet fibres/burns to Amanda's knees. Crazy Davey references Amanda on her knees in the balcony scene, as well. It is very disturbing.
To read the "Would she still have said yes" blog post, along with the repeated assertions that Amanda was more than prepared to suffer all sorts of pain and trouble, disease and discomfort (does anyone have the quote about Amanda willingly getting cancer?) her willingness to do "whatever it takes" to bring the unforgiveable, unloveable, miserable people, to God, etc. etc., and that "she knew it would be worth it, and is now, in her martyrdom, so so happy sipping Virgin piña coladas in heaven; one might be forgiven for wondering if Amanda actually committed suicide.
Enough, already with the repeated insinuations that Amanda wanted to die for God and that she is glad that she's dead. It's too much.
If it was true that 3black males randomly beat Amanda and shot her three times, THAT should be crazy Davey's platform. If he had a "brave heart" he would track down those responsible (not too hard since they're in jail) and demand their souls for Jesus. What a powerful message that would be. How about this, for example? you took Amanda away from Weston and me. you murdered my sons mother and my pregnant wife, and I cannot forgive you, but Jesus can. Your actions have made me stronger. You have made me dangerous for Christ. That is why I am not afraid of you. Satan has done his worst and there is nothing left that can hurt me. Satan has claimed you, and though, as a human, I want you to suffer the torture of eternal damnation for murdering Amanda, I know God wants you to be saved. Im trying to save your soul for God's sake. Not for your sake. I hate you. But God loves you."
Why doesn't he go and do what he said he was going to do? Save souls. Here is his opportunity. Get to the prisons, Davey. Preach your message there.
He won't. He can't. He'll keep soft selling Amanda's murder as a good thing (with the best yet to come) to gullible moms, pastor bros, teenagers at reasonate church, the media and if he has his way, those grieving from the genuine loss of genuinely loved one.
PS. I think the "the best is yet to come" thing is so jarring is because an expression like that, comes AFTER something GOOD Eg. That dinner was lovely but -the best is yet to come - dessert!
Putrid disgrace and cancer... Did Amanda have a cancer that developed from hpv, which was given to her through Davey's infidelity?
Does anyone know what the DL recent comments said that appear to be gone now? From the retired judge?
How recent, Amy ?
Comments 391-98 are gone.
This is 402: Methinks Retired Judge just uncovered the link between Davey and the hit-thugs.
And there's a shared cell-phone connection? Jesus. Some heads need to roll among the investigators right along with an indictment and conviction for Davey.
I still see all of those comments Amy - and I have screenshots of all of them too. Comment 402 was posted on Sep 24, 2017 3:39 PM +00:00
I didn’t know if there were more recent ones than 402 that had disappeared - it doesn’t seem like it.
Link to DataLounge page part 8 (there are SEVEN more parts with hundreds and hundreds of posts about this case) for those who’ve not yet seen it -
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.datalounge.com/amp/thread/19181685--smoking-hot-pastor-s-wife-killed-after-failed-robbery-part-8
Copy and paste DataLounge comments 392 to 402 - first comment R392 was on September 24, 2017 at 9:58 AM +00:00 and last comment R402 was on September 24, 2017 at 3:39 PM +00:00 -
- R392 -
I was looking at the Affidavit of Probable Cause again. It says the cell phone Larry Taylor used was associated with Taylor and someone named Hayley Andreason. There is a Hayley Andreasen who lives at 5814 Dapple Trce Indianapolis IN 46228 in a nice house in a nice neighborhood. This is also the neighborhood that Taylor said that he stopped at in the morning of the murder before he went to Davey's neighborhood (56th and Guion Creek). Taylor was also dropped off back in this area after the murder. This neighborhood looks really nice and not an area that Taylor would be hanging out in. Who is this person and why did Taylor have her phone and also go into her neighborhood before and after the murder?
I found this info about a Hayley Andreasen 45 yrs, Indianapolis IN
Hayley Andreasen is 45 years old. She lives in Indianapolis, IN. She's a big fan of Room Raiders. Hayley loves watching Bet, Laguna Beach, Pimp My Ride and Fresh Prince Of Bel-air. Among her favorite movies are Aquamarine, Roll Bounce and Stick It. Online, Hayley goes by the alias saevonlovespace.
—Anonymous
(Map image of 5814 Dapple Trce Indianapolis, IN 46228 included in DataLounge comment)
- R393 -
Can't find Hayley's social media yet but she's related to this guy.
David Andreasen https://www.facebook.com/david.andreasen.75
—Anonymous
- R394 -
So, there is a also a Kim J Barrett, (317) 293-9194, 5814 Dapple Trce, Indianapolis, IN who lives at this house of Hayley Andreasen . Derek and Ashley Barrett are Davey's housemates and right hand man. It's a common name so not sure of the connection yet, if there is one.
—Anonymous
- R395 -
Some of the people who have lived at the house:
Chase Andreasen tt Status: Homeowner Education: Graduate or professional degree Email: h...@yahoo.com
Kim J Barrett, 67 t317-293-9194t Status: Homeowner Education: Associate degree or higher Email: k...@aol.com
Patricia Barrett, ~71 t317-293-9194t Status: Homeowner Occupation: Clerical/White Collar Education: Associate degree or higher
Paricia Barrett t317-319-0637t Status: Homeowner Occupation: Sales Occupations Education: High school graduate or higher
Patty L Barrett t317-319-0637t Status: Homeowner Occupation: Sales Occupations Education: High school graduate or higher
—Anonymous
- R396 -
Hayley Andreasen is Patricia Barrett's granddaughter and lives at the house. She just had a baby.
—Anonymous
- R397 -
Taylor said he was going to see some guy named "Cheese". Very close to Chase, who also lives at the house.
—Anonymous
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R398 -
Here's Hayley's pic from 2010. Somehow, she is connected to this.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=166246216736859&set=pb.100000544465050.-2207520000.1506288431.&type=3&theater
—Anonymous
- R399 -
Y'all are going in deep.
The next thing you know, one of you all will reach out to the insurance company who no doubt have a team who's job it is to get their money back.
—Anonymous
- R400 -
Hmm. Just noticed that parked in front of Hayley's house is a black SUV. There was a black SUV that was speeding down Davey's street the morning of the murder.
And, we must be getting close, huh [R399] ?
—Anonymous
- R401 -
[R400} Y'all are going in deep.
The next thing you know, one of you all will reach out to the insurance company who no doubt have a team who's job it is to get their money back.
Patience, Davey. All in good time, son.
—Meanwhile: get out; enjoy the sunshine and freedom while you still can.
- R402 -
Methinks Retired Judge just uncovered the link between Davey and the hit-thugs.
And there's a shared cell-phone connection? Jesus. Some heads need to roll among the investigators right along with an indictment and conviction for Davey.
—Anonymous
Re the DataLounge comments, some random thoughts I have
Do Ashley and Derek Barrett still live with Davey and Weston now that they have a new baby of their own? (congratulations to them, seriously - they look so happy !)
https://www.facebook.com/ashley.barrett.7798?hc_ref=ARTqLGezfXHHJM2RlIgS6VRh7hHqkcmzSXoNHhLNtnJKgphxx6ZXWPRHXrVS0AS2uMU&fref=nf
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10211964972578264&set=a.10207860976460926.1073741830.1191030065&type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10210566957557192&set=ecnf.1443930430&type=3&theater
Any chance that Derek Barrett and David Andreason are related / brothers? - comparing all of their Facebook pictures not just these - they bear a resemblance
Derek Barrett
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200852560494907&set=ecnf.1191030065&type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10209022308981943&set=ecnf.1443930430&type=3&theater
David Andreason
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=188219114539569&set=ecnf.100000544465050&type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=163014450393369&set=pb.100000544465050.-2207520000.1506357159.&type=3&theater
Is Derek Barrett related to Patricia/Patty Barrett and/or Kim J Barrett who are listed as residents of the house on Dapple Trace in Indianapolis?
Did Davey substitute teach at Northwest High School ?
"Cheese" and "Chase" do sound similar.
Larry Taylor's cell phone was associated with Haley Andreason who is also a resident of the house in the neighborhood where Larry Taylor went before the murder and was dropped off after the murder ---> she is related to David Andreason--> ? ? who looks like he could be Derek's brother. Is there a random connection between / with Derek Barrett who shares the same last name as other residents who have lived in the house (Patricia/Patty Barrett and Kim J Barrett) and this guy who looks like he could be related to him?
I think back to Derek and Ashley on the news video the night of November 10th while Amanda was still on life support - speaking of her in past tense already, smiling and calmly saying she would want them to carry on the mission. . .
R399 on DataLounge part 8 sounds like Davey could have written it -
Y'all are going in deep.
The next thing you know, one of you all will reach out to the insurance company who no doubt have a team who's job it is to get their money back.
—Anonymous
And the next two posters seem to think he did - reply 400 writing that we must be getting close and reply 401 talking directly to him - this comment which said "meanwhile: get out; enjoy the sunshine and freedom while you still can" is probably good advice to Davey.
It is obvious that those who have an interest in finding out the truth about this case are not going to give up on it.
The retired judge on DataLounge and the investigative reporters (more than one from what I understand) are going to sort this case out in due time.
Something smells like an elaborate ruse to point suspicion away from Davey and Amber.
What happened on 11/9/15?
Thanks. I see the comments on DL now.
I was thinking and hoping that DataLounge might be onto something because Watchkeep (who has link with / contact to investigative reporter) was looking for the missing comments and if these certain comments had disappeared, that would look like hiding something that might need to be explored.
I hope (I need a far stronger word than just "hope") suspicion continues toward Davey and Amber - there is so much that has been written and said to support their involvement and coverup. I console myself with the knowledge that there is no way Davey's story will hold up when he is on the stand as a witness against "these guys" - I am almost positive that the 911 call will show that he was not straight up with the dispatcher.
All of these church individuals are very close - I think it is possible that more in the inner circle (not just Davey and Amber and Robin, but Meg and maybe Derek and Ashley) know what happened. And nobody can say anything or else the whole house of cards will collapse.
Oh if only there was a fly on the walls at 2812 Sunnyfield Court starting on Sunday November 8th and staying there all the way through Monday and into Tuesday (actually through the whole week so we could know who straightened everything up and worked with the gigantic Christmas tree) - a fly that could tell us exactly what was seen and done between those walls, in secret. Especially on Monday 11/9/2015.
Actually we would want more than one fly - downstairs was where everything "was supposed to have happened" - and / but I would want one upstairs looking at Weston's door to see if it remained closed with him softly cooing the whole time everything was going on downstairs.
Was there a church meeting on the Monday night before the murder? Davey had said that was his routine:
"Maybe it was because Tuesday evenings used to be family night. Amanda was vigilant about keeping them sacred. She would never let us schedule anything on our calendar for Tuesday nights. After long days pouring out to people on Sunday, pushing through the Monday spiritual hang-over coupled with a late-night leadership meeting, and writing all day Tuesdays, Tuesday nights were the first time in 3 days we were able to take a breath."
And nobody is pointing suspicion away from Davey. If this Hayley is involved, it just gives clear evidence that this was not a random burglary gone wrong.
Yes, they all must "follow suit" in the house of cards.
The "church" wall of silence is strong.
Was a sliding glass door broken at Mamaw's house?
flightful wrote:
R399 on DataLounge part 8 sounds like Davey could have written it -
Y'all are going in deep.
The next thing you know, one of you all will reach out to the insurance company who no doubt have a team who's job it is to get their money back.
Agreed. Didn't Davey use the wording "going in deep" when he was at Levi's Montana home?
Yes - he used that word - and he didn't just say deep.
Davey said "Going in hard and deep at Fresh Life tonight with @levilusko" on Instagram post May 21, 2016.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFsTNJoh4Oi/?taken-by=daveyblackburn
No mystery that he pings the DataLoungers' radar. No straight guy would choose those words to describe that experience at "church".
Another Instagram post describing the same weekend with Levi Lusko but with different (straighter) words - post from May 22, 2016
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFvDkwQh4MB/?taken-by=daveyblackburn
DataLounge new post -
Davey at [R399], now that you have admitted that you had a life insurance policy on Amanda, why don't you spill on how much it was for? Did you go as high as $2,000,000, or was that too obvious?
—Anonymous
I wonder how much of a life insurance policy it was - for Amanda, a stay at home mom/homemaker with a nice / side business refinishing furniture for a bit of extra money coming in. And I wonder how much life insurance Davey had on himself in case something happened to him - and Amanda and Weston had to live without his income?
It seems it would be a red flag to an investigator if he took out more insurance on Amanda's life than on his own, no?
Was Davey's car in running order on the 10th November, 2015? Didnt he take Amanda's car to the gym? I wonder if LT intended to take whatever car was in the driveway, but was unable to because it wasn't working. That's why he was seen walking on Sunnyfield, and the others had to go back for him.
(I'd love to know what happened to the Chevy Cruz)
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One of the comments above mentioned that Davey took a month to prepare the Worship is a Weapon sermon and he must have known Amanda was pregnant when he wrote it and it got me thinking.
The worship is a weapon sermon is all about worry, and how and when to deal with it.
"And here's the thing. What, what happens is we try to deal with worry by- Sometimes we dwell on it. Right? Which doesn't help, because it just perpetuates the worry. Sometimes we try to- we try to ignore it, which ultimately doesn't help either because the things that we're worried And here's the thing. What, what happens is we try to deal with worry by- Sometimes we dwell on it. Right? Which doesn't help, because it just perpetuates the worry. Sometimes we try to- we try to ignore it, which ultimately doesn't help either because the things that we're worried about probably needs to actually be taken care of and dealt with. Not dwelled upon but dealt with, and if we don't deal with it then it's just going to end up perpetuating itself even more, and come back with more of a vengeance in our life."
In other words, problems need to be nipped in the bud. They need to be dealt with. With a weapon.
So instead of talking about new life, growth, birth, regeneration, the miracle of pregnancy, joy, fertility, the gift of life etc,Davey is talking (on and on) about getting rid of unwanted problems.
Is that unexpected for an expectant father? I think it is.
50 'Well God, what about that, what about, what about that, that relationship? She made - she said that thing to me - made me so mad. Fight the battle! Do the judgment thing! BAM! DO IT!
There’s a, there's a verse in Psalms that says, 'Break the teeth of my enemies,' right? That’s what you feel like. What about that? God’s going, 'Um, yeah,
2 Chron 20:12 O our God, will You not execute judgment on them?
I would love to see God, like, actually execute judgment. Right. He a judge with a gallows, just, like BAM! Like, wouldn't that be awesome? When something coming against you, it's like, 'God, would you execute?' BAM! 'Got 'em!'
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Leak. Leak. Leak. He couldn't be more obvious. Sociopath.
Anony at 9 .37 you said
Clears it up? LOLOL! I think your mind is more than a bit muddled. You seem dense as a post. However, you're right.
Are you sarcasm again? I'd hate to see what you would call me if I was wrong!!! LOLOL. I'm sorry not cleared up for you and the post was dense. I understand you want the genius slueths to solve the crime and the Police to charge and arrest Davey Blacburn and it is been taken a long time too long for you, even years. but even if the police arrests Davey they will still need to go to trial in the court system and he is innocence until proven guilty through due process, no matter if you are disappointed,
God kicking in teeth and executing people for Davey, makes exactly the same noise as using a worship as weapon to battle worry, does.
BAM BAM BAM
What a coincidence.
In the same timeframe before Amanda was murdered, Davey also talked about (not exact words, same train of thought though) thinking you know who your friends are and then BAM, you wind up pregnant and uh. . .
Clearly a new pregnancy was something to be feared in Davey's mind and life - at least at that point in time - not something to be celebrated. It wasn't like he and Amanda were in high school and not married and she ended up pregnant. "You wind up pregnant" has a negative connotation to it for sure.
Definitely yes to the statement above that Amanda being pregnant with their second was an unwanted problem in his life. He didn't even bring Amanda up onstage to celebrate the announcement on that Sunday November 8th. It was all about Davey - I worry about my kids, Davey did you just say "kids"?, yes I did, look at studly me, I got my wife pregnant again.
He didn't bring her up on stage, no. He didn't even mention her by name, ffs, despite gushing over Ashley, Derek and Travis.
Davey's December 12, 2015 tweet -
Jesus is a master surgeon. Though it may be painful, trust His healing scalpel
https://twitter.com/daveyblackburn/status/675666691918032896
And looky here, another journal entry posted in December 2015 confirming that no matter what may come as a surprise or if life goes differently than planned, she knows enough to trust God and that there is a reason for everything . . .
https://twitter.com/daveyblackburn?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
I don't believe Amanda wrote this journal entry either. . .it fits too neatly with "the story", especially in context of the other journal entries Davey has posted - and especially "her last one" that she supposedly wrote.
Yes. Everything in Amanda's last journal entry was something said by crazy Davey in the Worship is a weapon sermon. Everything.
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Here's another gunny coincidence from the Worship is a weapon sermon. Crazy Davey refers to the song "turn down for What? By DJ Snake and Lil Jon.
These are some of the lyrics, accompanied by the clicking of a cocked gun.
Fire up that loud
Another round of shots
Fire up that loud
Another round of shots
Fire up that loud
Another round of shots
Fire up that loud
Another round of shots
Turn down for what?
I found a bunch of Facebook pages last night, trying to find friends in common. I found David & Hayley Andreasen, Derek, Ashley, Derek's brother, the Blackburns. The Barrett's listed in that one house don't seem to be related to Derek. I did find Michael Head mentioned on Ashley's facebook. He is the attorney that put CD ' S house under the NIW, Serendipity paperwork. I had looked him up before and found his law firm. They do "different" kinda stuff, not the run of the mill type of lawyers, IMO. I searched for quite awhile to find a link with then Gov. Mike Pence, to the Blackburns or PN because I still wonder why he went to Amanda's funeral. Just PR for all I can see. He became evangelical catholic whatever that means, but he likes the evangelical movement. I have not had time, but thought I would compare names on friends lists of Dave's circle. If anyone wants the links just let me know. Ashley did read the "negative" things pist murder and it bothered her alot. I do feel she loved Amanda and is like everyone else, under Davey'spell.
I meant Hayley's FB page ^
If you follow Davey's Instastories, you will see he mostly plays golf and travels. Way to turn Indy upside down Davey! Glad Amanda laid down her life so that you could reach your destiny. I am glad it gave you such a passion and purpose. Indy would be lost without you. What a hero!
He is going to Israel again too, and trying to get people to sign up (pay) to go there with him.
I wonder if Perry Noble will go along to once again admire and comment on Davey's abs when they are at the pool and Davey takes his shirt off, like last time.
Even at Amanda's "celebration of life" - it was hardly about celebrating Amanda - Perry Noble's "eulogy" for her talked for a decent amount of time about how beautiful (among other words) Davey is. At a FUNERAL for Davey's wife !
Something between these two? - besides just mentor and ex-employee ?
I wonder if Perry Noble was the one who was monitoring Davey's internet usage (during which Davey knew how to circumvent the filters).
Psychopathy Profile Scale In Statement Analysis
https://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2014/10/psychopathy-profile-scale-in-statement.html
Flightful, Perry was fired partly for his posture toward marriage. Davey is most certainly homosexual. Even Datalounge knows
DataLounge claimed him as one of their own on the very first thread about this case - here is link to that thread -
https://www.datalounge.com/thread/16049523-smoking-hot-pastor-s-wife-killed-after-failed-robbery-
The initial poster said his first thought was a closet queen who tricked with the wrong guy but by the third reply, this was the impression on that board -
Call me cynical but pastor + dead wife and I think "hit" with the husband behind it.
—Anonymous
Reply 5 said -
You're not the only one, [R3].
Although, I also wonder if maybe the pastor did the killing himself, and then ran to the gym as a cover?
How do we know he was even at the gym?
—Anonymous
Part of reply 8
White. Middle class. Pregnant wife. Husband "at the gym."
This has hit written all over it.
These comments were on November 12th - two days after Davey's appearance at the gym somewhere between 6:25am and 7:00am (which is not necessarily the timeframe during which anything happened to Amanda). Right from the start, countless comments on the news articles and YouTube videos said this was a hit set up by the husband.
And now there are eight threads about this case on DataLounge alone, with more threads here on this board as well as elsewhere - and all of these threads have the interest and attention of people who know there is more to the story than what has been revealed so far (revealed both intentionally as well as unintentionally by Davey, Amber and others through SA and body language).
The DataLounge posters in particular seem to be relentless in uncovering the truth in cases that draw their interest, and there are many posters here as well who will not stop in the quest to find out what really happened that week in November 2015.
And this is IF IMPD and FBI really did look the other way back then - and I for one do not believe they did that - I think (hope and pray as well) that things are happening quietly behind the scenes from their end as well (without anyone else's input).
We had a blast! BAM.BAM.BAM. Shots for everyone.
daveyblackburnLast Sunday I invited some friends to help me wrap up our #BetterTogether series! We had a blast! If you missed the message you can check it out with the link in my bio!
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Just so you know: When people like Davey and Perry put together groups
of people for trips to Israel, all their own travel expenses are covered.
I've had friends who organized these to a variety of places.
Just for giggles, I looked up what hotel they'll be staying at. You could basically "shadow" their adventure for far less $$$ than their tour group, without being subject to all the blathering. #dontworryihavebetterthingstodothanstalkamandaslyingabuserstoisrael
Can anyone work out how much the tour group jaunt to Israel is going to cost?. (it is unthinkable that crazy Davey would pay his own way - although Amandas life insurance would cover it, easily)
It doesn't look cheap. What do you think?
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2017/09/112715-brother-james-interview-wsbt22.html
Zach: When you heard about those arrests, what’d you think?
James: “Thankful that they’re caught, that they’re off the streets. Um. It was hard, because of the fact that you’re now putting a faccccce, tooo the heinous thing that happened to your little sister.”
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James knows whose face did a heinous thing to HIS sister.
YOUR little sister is a different matter...
I never felt any sort of anger until arrests were made.....
Davey only has anger when his congregation fails to invite enough people to church. I mean, come on congregation, Davey brought a car on stage, emptied his family's savings account and relaunched the church for the billionth time. You can at least do your part in making him the next megapastor of the North. Too bad the South had already been claimed by Furtick, Noble and Hodges.
This is not a big deal but it kind of goes along with the image of perfection, picture perfect thing, they always color coordinate. How exhausting that must be all of the time. Just to go to the lake Amber and her kids all dressed alike for the perfect picture
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10213868098998395&set=a.2591341624581.2145596.1285843155&type=3&theater
Color coordinated for anniversary picture
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10213788004276077&set=a.2591341624581.2145596.1285843155&type=3&theater
Color coordinated for Weston's birthday party. Davey went along with it in his tight jeggings and skin tight t-shirt
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10213504790555911&set=pcb.10213504841037173&type=3&theater
This is just in Amber's feed in the last few weeks. I get exhausted the one time every few years trying to get our church family picture color coordinated. I can't imagine doing it on a weekly basis. Picture perfect must be tiring.
I decided to torture myself and watch some of the last sermon. It is hard to get past the tight pants and skin tight t-shirt. Oh my word. I have to skip around because he spends about 8 minutes talking about a dentist visit when he was a child. However, as a whole, This one might be worth watching and transcribing. He talks about the trial. He is super uncomfortable talking about it. I just know he was hoping Larry Taylor would have been completely found at fault and would settle for a plea deal. I believe that was the plan. No way he thought almost three years later it would be going to trial. That must really gripe him since it pushed his book back. (Darn justice has to be served.) He will have to testify. That should be interesting. Anyway, I'll try to transcribe when he talks about wrestling with how he feels about the thugs. He also talks about everyday he has to wake up and forgive. I am sure waking up in a luxurious mansion and looking forward to that day's golf game sure helps, eh?
Oh and of course he makes fun of a Southern pastor he met at a retreat (man, I wish I could go on so many retreats) He makes fun of his accent and that he couldn't even understand the man. Davey is a super mean spirited person and he sure does hate the South. He constantly makes fun of it in his sermons.
Toward the end of the sermon, Davey starts some major propaganda "My heart is breaking for the guys who killed Amanda and I can't explain it. Why do you think we are down in the Riverside area trying to intercept kids before they step into this? Because I am hoping that our church's heart breaks too. I believe wholeheartedly when Amanda stepped into eternity she felt a moment of brokenness for what was in front of her. Compassion."
So as Amanda (supposedly) was being beaten to a pulp and having bullets riddled at her she felt compassion for the men doing it to her? After this odd little statement, Davey starts comparing his story to Jim and Elizabeth Elliott (as he has done before). Jim Elliott was killed while trying to minister to a unreached group of hostile natives. Um, Davey, Amanda was inside her home where you left the door unlocked. STOP this comparison. He talks about how bravely Elizabeth Elliott went back to the same people who killed her husband and shared the gospel. Oh please Davey don't ever, ever compare yourself to Elizabeth Elliott.
He then proceeds to say this "I surprise myself that I can choose to forgive men that murdered my wife and yet hold resentment against someone who levied the smallest offense to me." Yeah, that has surprised all.
I think it is interesting how Davey is now saying all the men murdered her wife. He is trying to make himself look saintly. He is now saying murdered instead of "passed". Interesting. It feels like a PR campaign to me.
Oh gosh, now he is saying he is looking down the barrel of God thrusting him into an Elizabeth Elliott story. Oh my gosh. STOP IT! He then talks about meeting with the same chaplain who regularly meets with the "guys who murdered Amanda". He then talks about a white guy setting up a black guy and the black gets sent to prison. It is just all messed up and weird. It sounds like he is subtly trying to make himself look great, the guys like savages (but of course need Davey's forgiveness so Davey can be set free of bitterness) He then calls the whole church into the story. Manipulate, much?
Bingo, I have been transcribing some of that - you already posted the best/worst quote., and I have not got that far :-/. Meh. Again though, his weird theology features quite a bit in this one - just say the one time all magic words and receive instant forgiveness for every sin, past, present and future, no probs. It's as if he believes becoming a Christian, aged seven, gave him a license to sin, and to do whatever he likes, because forgiveness is guaranteed. He must have overlooked the bit about the man who puts his hand to the plough, and then looks back. Not being fit for the kingdom of God. IDK. Weird.
It really is a good one to listen to, I agree, especially in trying to understand more Davey's belief regarding forgiveness of any sin, past, present and future - to him, being a Christian gives him a license to sin. His justification is well hedged by a selection of bible texts. Also, listen re 'concept' and 'cognitive' as opposed to belief .
Bits from:
Better Together - Forgiveness and Reconciliation - two weeks ago.
9.30. What’s my heart look like in relation to other people? Because while outside circumstances can’t destroy you, what’s inside can destroy you. I’ve heard it said before that your greatest enemy is the in-o’-me. You know you’ve got circumstances are gonna happen, it’s not a question as to whether or not things come against you, or whether or not you’re gonna experience some kind of pain, whether or not you're gonna experience some kind of hurt, the question is how are you going to respond when you do? An’ over the course of the past couple of years especially I’ve recognised that it’s pivotal to begin to wrestle with, to how you’re going to respond- because I’ve preached messages about forgiveness and reconciliation before Amanda was killed. And then I had a moment where I had to wrestle with it face to face. And I still wake up every single day and have to wrestle with it face to face. And we’re going to move into a season in the springtime where the - the guys who, who’re on trial for the alleged - uh murder, they’re they’re -I’m going to have to wrestle with that literally face to face. So I need you to know forgiveness is something that cognitively in my head I preached a lot before Amanda was killed, but now in my heart it’s something that I feel deep. It’s a burden that I really carry - because I feel like God is thrusting me, and us, into this story where we have an option on how we’re going to respond to the circumstances that have surrounded us. Both great circumstances and small. An-and the way we respond is going to determine how our community around us is changed, how it’s influenced. I think God is giving us a season right now to wrestle with that internally so that it goes from here to here, because what happens [touches hand from forehead to chest] here and what stays in here is the only thing that can destroy you.
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25.58 By the way, isn’t it a powerful thing, that by a word, by a - by - by a motion, by one instant, all of our sins can be completely eradicated - they can be completely departed from us, completely washed away - literally everything we’ve ever done, everything we are currently caught up in, everything that we will ever do, can in one moment be wiped away, just by the word of our Heavenly Father, and the work that Jesus did on the cross, by us receiving it in that moment - he says, “I don’t count your sins against you. In’that a powerful thing, to think about? Think about all of the heinous things that you’ve done in your life. ‘Well, I haven’t done a whole lot of heinous things.’ Think about all the heinous things you’ve thought in your life. I’m gonna tell you right now, if you were to put all of my thoughts up here on the screen for everybody to see I would be completely disqualified as being your pastor.
It’s interesting how Jesus - he came on the scene and said, “Hey, you’ve heard it said, “Don’t murder”, but I tell you if you’ve been angry with your brother, you’ve already committed murder in your heart.” He said, well you’ve heard it said, “Don’t commit adultery don’t sleep with someone who’s not your spouse, but I’m telling your right now, look at a woman lustfully, dude, you’ve already committed adultery in your heart - you’ve already gone there.” The offence has already been levied. It’s already there. So if I were to put our offences, most of us would be mortified. When we think about the gravity of our offence, and then you think about the weight of God’s grace, the price that he paid by sending his Son Jesus, to die for us, and all of that’s been wiped away, it begins to change your perspective on forgiveness and reconciliation. You see, again I’ve heard it said that you can’t forgive somebody unless they’ve asked for forgiveness, and I would say that that’s untrue. I tell you where God’s really taught me a lot about forgiveness, obviously in the past two years - but it’s, I go back to this one scene of my life. It was the scene where I met Jesus as my Lord and Saviour.
Do you remember when you met Jesus as your Lord and Saviour? Do you remember that moment? I think it’s important for us to remember that moment because oftentimes we’ll stray away from that moment, we’ll forget about it, the enemy will cause us to doubt whether or not we were actually forgiven, ever, or whether or not we can be called sons and daughters of God, whether or not we’ve been changed. I think it’s important to go back to that moment oftentimes and remind the enemy that you are saved, that you have been changed, that you are continually changing - and so I go back to this moment when I was seven years old, and I was at an Easter play at Gardendale Baptist Church…
30.27…and the scene pauses, the pastor comes out and says, ‘Jesus was murdered for your sin and mine.’ And then the scene starts back, and all you hear is Jesus go, “Father, forgive them, for they don’t know what they are doing.’
Now let’s take that logic back to forgiveness. In order for forgiveness to be received there has to be a mutual exchange. In order for forgiveness to be extended the one who was offended just has to take a step. And in that moment I realised, now at seven years old, how much bad had I done? - not a lot. But in that moment I realised the gravity of my sin, and that every sin I was going to commit, that was an offence to God, Jesus was murdered so that I could be forgiven. When you experience that, there’s so much grace, there’s so much love, there’s so much peace that washes over you. And I’ll never forget, I went to the end of that pew and I just started cry - I just started bawling, I was embarrassed because I was there with some friends, but there was something that was just so overwhelming it overtook me - I went to the edge of the pew and I started crying and I knelt down, and I was like God I didn’t know, I had no idea, i’m so sorry, I had no idea, I don’t even know what I’m sorry for, but I’m just sorry that what I’ve done and who I am - and this straying away and this broken person that I am - that’s what put you on the cross, that’s what murdered you - and I experienced this forgiveness of a holy God. I experienced something I never experienced before because of grace and forgiveness that was extended to me. It is not an emotional thing for us to extend forgiveness, it is a spiritual thing.
I missed out the bit about Judgement Houses, and how he became a Christian, aged seven - worth listening to and transcribing, though, for the emotional manipulation/fear factor placed on a seven year old, and also as to how maybe he came by his ingrained (?) theology regarding forgiveness, which I think in the past he has described as 'not being a get out of jail free card' (as though countering a criticism of his theology?) - whilst still appearing to believe it is.
Also, I found interesting that he was told, aged seven, that Jesus was 'murdered' for him - is that really how Jesus' death is presented in some churches, even to young children? Horrendous, no wonder he has issues, and daddy issues,
Davey said
And we’re going to move into a season in the springtime where the - the guys who, who’re on trial for the alleged - uh murder, they’re they’re -I’m going to have to wrestle with that literally face to face.
The "the guys who're on trial for the alleged, uh murder" huh? Not "the guys who're on trial for killing Amanda"?
Similar to when he said "the guys who were, uh, arrested for Amanda".
HE CANNOT SAY IT !
Or - maybe he just started saying it in response to posters saying he cannot say it - because in the most recent appearance that Bingo is watching (struggling to watch :/ ?) and quoting, he actually does say "the guys who murdered Amanda".
From that appearance and Bingo's post -
He then proceeds to say this "I surprise myself that I can choose to forgive men that murdered my wife and yet hold resentment against someone who levied the smallest offense to me." Yeah, that has surprised all.
I think it is interesting how Davey is now saying all the men murdered her wife. He is trying to make himself look saintly. He is now saying murdered instead of "passed". Interesting. It feels like a PR campaign to me.
His saying "murdered" instead of "passed" also responds to comments made all over the web about his minimizing/ sugar coating what happened when using the word "passed" - that choice of words makes it sound like Amanda peacefully slipped into eternity or died after a long illness.
Holding resentment against someone who levied the smallest offense to Davey - like someone who dented his grill or called him out for lying in the Love Song Week Six Q&A or kept him awake with laughing about Instagram? He clearly harbors and resents this last offense, to the point that he would bring it up so many months (well over a year) after it happened.
Isn't it more expected for someone to want to cast their loved one in the best light after they've died ? I don't buy that story of "if I knew I didn't have another day then I would've appreciated the annoying things" about Amanda and then including that detail about her laughing at dumb finds.
Including that story about Amanda laughing was a way for Davey to simultaneously disparage her yet again and also attempt to explain any unusual sounds that someone outside the house might have / would have heard that night.
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And I agree completely with the "license to sin" concept of Davey's life.
All of this talk about forgiveness and no matter how heinous your thoughts or your crime, God will forgive you and make it all clean - I guess that helps Davey sleep better at night. He has punched his ticket to Heaven no matter what he has thought or done on earth.
Perry Noble today:
"The Lord reminded me of something this morning while I was folding laundry...
Often times things seem messy, out of control and it looks like there is no way out (pile on the left).
However, over time and through perseverance He works in us and through us to take the mess and turn it into a miracle (picture on the right!)
He doesn't always do it FOR us - but rather does it through us - day by day...
So...if you find yourself in the middle of a messy situation...don't give up...do the next right thing and trust that, in His time, He will take your mess and turn it into a miracle!"
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Is the lord speaking to Perry while he is folding laundry (cleansing) like the lord speaking to Davey in the shower? @@
https://www.instagram.com/p/BMG44PYBHL1/?taken-by=daveyblackburn
"Last year at this time our leadership team went away to plan for what God had next for us. 3 days later our world was flipped upside-down and none of us could have planned for what was laying ahead of us."
That was posted on Friday, October 28, 2016.
The previous retreat was Friday, November 6, 2015.
3 days after Friday is Monday.
What happened 11/9/15?
On the subject of family trying to appear normal when in the presence of a suspected killer -
http://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2017/09/boyfriend-charged-pregnant-girlfriends-murder-ordered-held-without-bond/
Pregnant schoolteacher shot in the back of the head by her boyfriend who was seeing another girl. Police held a news conference to allow the boyfriend to speak. Parents had to pretend not to suspect him and that all was well even though they were all but sure he knew what had happened to her . . .
From the article -
Wallen said his wife, Gwen, was shaking during the news conference — an event staged so that police could hear what their prime suspect, Tessier, would say.
“It was all we could do to be seen as a unified family with him,” Mark Wallen said. “He is a monster and he is a liar. It was absolutely the hardest thing my wife could do … to sit next to him and hold his hand.”
So it's not too much of a mystery that the Byars family (picture perfect even in every photo, as Anon pointed out above - and I looked at Amber's Facebook again and it's TRUE ! - yeah it must be hard to maintain the illusion every waking moment or at least every moment that's described and photographed on Facebook) - anyway - not too much of a mystery that they would pretend that all is well between them and Davey no matter what they suspect.
Plus which, they don't want to lose access to Weston.
After seeing this, I think IMPD could have given Davey so much rope at the beginning SO he would go on his media blitz and they could see his actions and words. I continue to believe that they didn't think he was a danger to anyone else and wasn't a flight risk at that time so why not give him an inch and see what happens.
At least this guy Tyler on the video was marginally more successful than Davey was at mustering up some sadness -
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/missing-pregnant-teacher-found-dead-and-suspect-arrested-for-murder-police-say/2017/09/13/0ff48a62-98d3-11e7-87fc-c3f7ee4035c9_story.html?utm_term=.c3cddd5644a9
And this family offered a $25,000 reward for anyone who might have information to locate her - compared to $1000 in Indy. . .
Isn't it a "conundrum" how both LE and insurance co. have missed Davey's involvement in Amanda's murder?
"You have to forgive me" x 7
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZhC2lVrFQo
'Think about all of the heinous things that you’ve done in your life. "Well, I haven’t done a whole lot of heinous things." Think about all the heinous things you’ve thought in your life.'
Davey instructs his audience to think about all the 'heinous things' he assumes they have done in their lives. I wonder what 'heinous' means to Davey, as it's unlikely many, or even any of them have done anything which would be considered 'heinous'.
I should think this is Davey's understanding of heinous:
'Indianapolis Police Chief Richard Hite called it "a heinous murder." Major Eric Hench warned the suspect, "You left behind evidence... we will find you, and we will not stop until we get you." '
Such a description would no doubt stick in his mind - he could not have missed that correct use and meaning of 'heinous' . I wonder, is he wishing to miniminise in the listeners' minds the 'heinous' nature of Amanda's murder, by making 'heinous' mean something less than it is? The police expressed concern at the brutality of Amanda's murder, and called it 'heinous'. It's a little used word, yet Davey suggests his audience have done lots of 'heinous' things in their lives. Then he responds on their behalf, "Well. I haven't done a whole lot of heinous things" - even there, he still wants them to believe they may have done some 'heinous' things. Amanda's brutal murder was 'heinous'. He needs to put them all on the same level as Amanda's murderer.
The other attempt at minimisation is this:
"It’s interesting how Jesus - he came on the scene and said, “Hey, you’ve heard it said, “Don’t murder”, but I tell you if you’ve been angry with your brother, you’ve already committed murder in your heart.” He said, well you’ve heard it said, “Don’t commit adultery don’t sleep with someone who’s not your spouse, but I’m telling your right now, look at a woman lustfully, dude, you’ve already committed adultery in your heart - you’ve already gone there.”
I think Jesus is not recorded as having said that, rather - in Matthew Ch 5:
21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment:
Murder and anger are not the same. To be angry is not to commit, or wish to commit murder, though extreme anger may lead to murder. I think Davey is using that to say 'we're all in the same boat' as though an angry thought and an act of murder are actually equivalent.
I think the sayings are intended to encourage humility and reduce the tendency people have towards stone-casting rather than to be used as justification for either murder or adultery, as though the thought and the act really were the same. Davey doesn't want to be alone in his sin.
It's wrong and demeaning, I think, for a pastor to suggest and to assume his congregation/audience have done, or at least thought, lots of 'heinous' things. They are mostly young people who will be given to the usual youthful misdemeanours - anyone would think by his use of 'heinous' that he was in a prison chapel preaching to a congregation of lifers.
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2017/09/91717-better-together-forgiveness-and.html
"I'm sorry" - Seven times. I believe that is a record.
"My heart is breaking, for the guys who killed Amanda. And I can't explain it."
"Freaks me out to st-s-s-stare these guys in the face, and turn over everything that I feel, and choose to forgive. [covers mouth] But I know that’s the only way that change can happen. And that’s the only way that I’m not destroyed."
Davey doesn't want to be alone in his sin.
It's wrong and demeaning, I think, for a pastor to suggest and to assume his congregation/audience have done, or at least thought, lots of 'heinous' things. They are mostly young people who will be given to the usual youthful misdemeanours - anyone would think by his use of 'heinous' that he was in a prison chapel preaching to a congregation of lifers.
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It appears that he is trying to get used to the idea of just that. He says he met with the Chaplain at Marion County Prison.
He sees himself as "destroyed" if he doesn't hide his feelings and "choose to forgive" ...
But then he sets up the congregation for a great return, assuming LT gets out of jail and then Davey does his time. They'll hook up after he serves and do awesome things together a la Jameel and Andrew. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/on-the-road-innocent-michigan-man-ends-up-working-alongside-crooked-cop-that-locked-him/
And of course the Wesleyan Church sees fit to license the Dirty Cop ex-con Andrew Collins?
https://scottwoodsmakeslists.wordpress.com/2016/04/19/should-read-crooked-cops-legacy-continues-to-be-racist/
^^ Best quote:
"This story is like digging through a septic tank, finding a kernel of corn, eating it, and proclaiming it the best meal you’ve had all year."
^^ That could apply to a lot of Davey & Amber's 'Amanda's death was a beautiful thing' blogs.
"My heart is breaking, for the guys who killed Amanda. And I can't explain it."
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Yes, what does that mean, besides that he is lying...?
Has he ever said his heart is broken because Amanda was murdered, and for what she went through?
Or that his heart is broken for Weston, who has to learn and live with what happened to his mother?
Or because he didn't lock the front door?
Maybe he said all that, and I missed it.
I wonder how many times Davey says 'face' in that message - it's quite a lot. The sight of Jesus would melt your face, face to face, you're face, face of God, staring these guys in the face... I think other instances also.
Does anyone know is there significance in repetitive use of the word 'face'? I know repetition is sensitive - but how close together do the repetitions need to be in such a long message, to be sensitive -or is it still any repetition? Is 'face' sensitive to Davey? If so, why?
Speculation:
The burner phone (probably the one stolen from the 11/3/15 victim) was used by Davey, and he had communicated with "these" guys by phone.
When he sees them in court, it will be the first time "face to face".
"They just told us that the trial, is probably going to happen in the springtime. And for the first time I’ll stand in a room, and look these guys, in the face. And I’ll have to choose to forgive."
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https://www.facebook.com/amber.b.wilkinson/posts/10207457479656918
I still wonder who the "friend" was that Amber needed a phone for...
"My heart is breaking for the guys who killed Amanda."
Forgiveness and heartbreak for the guys who murdered your pregnant wife. Resentment and insults for the shoelint who dare to question your involvement. Is that fair?
Why is your heart breaking, anyway, Davey? To hear you yapping, 'the guys" did Amanda (and God and the church) an enormous favour by shooting her in the head. It was the best day of her life, wasn't it? All worth it? Amanda wanted to be used in a really big way? God needed his bride, the church, to come alive? The best is yet to come? So why is your heart breaking? Don't you know God uses bitter ingredients to make sweet, goodness and mercy cakes, that will follow you through the valley of the shadow of death (or something?)
Moot points, anyway. You need to actually have a heart for it to break. And you, Davey, don't have one.
I agree that crazy Davey uses the concept of God's forgiveness as his own personal get-out-of-jail free card. Not only that, but when God asks him to do crazy, bizarre things that don't make sense, Davey just does them, because he is so faithful. Like Abraham. Crazy Davey can further absolve himself from any guilt for doing crazy bizarre things; because, you know, God told him to.
Two things:
Anytime someone begins with "I believe wholeheartedly...", they do not believe what they're telling me so why should I believe it or them? If not with your heart, how else can you believe? With your head? That would be to think, not to believe. "I believe wholeheartedly..." is heavily NTP (need to persuade). If you're working so hard to persuade me, you're practicing manipulation because you want or need something from me.
Davey goes on and on about his heart being broken for these men (alternatively referenced as "guys" by Davey), but he has yet to visit any one of them in prison for the last 3 years. My friend is a Prison Chaplain and I personally know two ex-offenders who've gotten their life straight and gone through the vetting process; they go in and minister to/counsel inmates. Having worked with a prison ministry for the last 7 years and served on their board, you have to fill out a ton of paperwork and be well-vetted if you're going in to minister. You have to request a visitation in advance and the Inmate has to agree to the visitation, then it has to be approved. The visit can be revoked if the Inmate commits an infraction, changes his mind, there's a shake-up or a lock down at the facility, the administration has legal/security concerns, there's a suspicion that the "forgiving" party is courting publicity (especially with an eye to profiting from said visitation), or the Inmate gets transferred (as facilities often do to "mix things up" so Inmates don't get too well entrenched). It's been pretty educational. LOL
Had Davey been the fount overflowing with grace and forgiveness that he seeks to portray himself to be, he'd have been at Visitation 3 years ago and repeatedly since, being as "burdened" as he is. He's not going to run into the "guys that, uh, hurt Amanda" at Cross Fit, on the beach/the Cubs infield/Nascar stands, at lunch with his publisher, crafting sermons at Starbucks, making videos of himself in his living room with his camera crew, at Gauntlet/NewSpring/Snow Camp, at Dave Ramsey's Financial Peace Headquarters in TN, in Israel "walking where Jesus walked", or at MOPS/MomCon. He talks a good talk-all show no substance. He won't go visit Taylor, Watson, or Gordon. He's too afraid. Something about the sound of those locks methodically closing behind you as you navigate the checkpoints might be a tad unnerving for him.
Hey Jude- Reading your post on Davey's repetitive use of "face" and repetitive words being sensitive within a statement, the condition of Amanda's face was unmistakable and likely unforgettable (quite a shock to Jono Blackburn). So much so, that he felt the need to write about it, trying to process what exactly happened to Amanda. That was a very good post, Hey Jude!
I think Davey's got somewhat of an issue because miscarriages don't make head, facial, and upper body injuries. Falls and hitting one's head don't result in upper body injuries and mostly naked victims either. He can't have it both ways. Multiple gunshot wounds and obvious trauma to the upper body are inconsistent with a miscarriage. -SMH
I think it's a little odd and unusual that for all of Davey's capitalizing and proselytizing of Amanda's murder (She died so that the Church might live/that the dry bones Church might come alive -be resurrected), that Davey's not openly capitalizing on the the Three Days angle (since he's working hard to solidify her "sacrifice" with Jesus' sacrifice on the cross). Resonate's leadership retreat was Friday night and concluded on Saturday. Davey's counting 3 days from Saturday to Amanda's "passing", "killing", "murder"(Sunday, Monday, Tuesday). It is amazing and coincidental that Davey had a working theology already in place and ready to roll out so quickly for his numerous press interviews and speaking engagements just days after Amanda's murder.
Trudy at 9:08 PM September 27, 2017- LOL! That was perfect! Someone's been paying attention in class. Great post!
"Resonate's leadership retreat was Friday night and concluded on Saturday."
How do you know?
Hi FFOF, great posts, but Amanda was murdered in November 2015. So it's been nearly 2 years, not 3 years. It probably seems like 3 years because, well because, crazy Davey is so exhausting, and he never bloody shuts up.
Just thinking about Mel. Over three hundred Boxer dog owners were asked whether Boxers, as a breed, make good guard dogs. A whopping 86 percent said yes, citing the breed's alertness, menacing bark, and size. Many commented on their loyalty and protectiveness of family (especially children) if threatened, with one commenter saying their boxer would lay down its life to protect family.
Mel was an inside dog who was allowed to sleep on the lounge. Amanda referred to her as part of the family. There was an SM post that said "when one baby goes to sleep it's time to give cuddles to my other baby". There is another post of Amanda and Mel (with her head on Amanda's foot) with the caption "she literally never leaves my side". So. Why was Mel locked in a bedroom while Amanda was fatally beaten and shot in the living room?
(And how could crazy Davey give away his murdered wife's beloved dog?)
https://iheartdogs.com/knowledge-base/breed/boxers/would-you-say-that-boxers-make-good-guard-dogs/?pageNum=6&totalAns=245
My dad owned a boxer and I was scared to death of him. That dog would have killed someone to protect my dad. The boxer is one of the biggest red flags to me.
Ok, anyone throw up a little about Davey comparing himself to the Elliots? Staring down the barrel of an Elizabeth Elliott story? Of course it has to be a gun reference. It just disgusts me that somehow Davey got to walk free from obvious involvement and he fills people up every week with trash like that.
Fools at 9:45
"I think it's a little odd and unusual that for all of Davey's capitalizing and proselytizing of Amanda's murder (She died so that the Church might live/that the dry bones Church might come alive -be resurrected), that Davey's not openly capitalizing on the the Three Days angle (since he's working hard to solidify her "sacrifice" with Jesus' sacrifice on the cross). Resonate's leadership retreat was Friday night and concluded on Saturday. Davey's counting 3 days from Saturday to Amanda's "passing", "killing", "murder"(Sunday, Monday, Tuesday). It is amazing and coincidental that Davey had a working theology already in place and ready to roll out so quickly for his numerous press interviews and speaking engagements just days after Amanda's murder."
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Davey has tried the "stuck in Friday" shtick a few times. I don't think he likes it.
Perry thought it was so brilliant in his eulogy that it made him smile.
You are absolutely right...It IS AMAZING and coincidental that Davey AND PERRY had a working theology already in place and ready to roll out so quickly (None of us this time last week planned on being here, tonight.) just days after Amanda's murder.
I still say - IF these were random burglars - there was no need to have a working theology and unlikely that Davey would have a prepared statement so quickly. If this was random, God didn't have a plan to use Amanda for good. It just happened !
All of the journal entries and Amanda praying that God would just use them in a really big way and so on - are part of THE STORY.
It is so obvious that this wasn't random.
Maybe the memory of Amanda's smashed out teeth and face become more unsettling as he thinks about the trial, and that what was done to her will be part of the evidence. Random burglars are not known for smashing up faces - that's an up close and personal crime.
When did Larry Taylor beat up Amanda? Apparently he shot her (in the back) because she 'charged' at him. If she had charged at him, the gunshot would be in her front. He didn't even know where the gunshot was, neither did the CI - 'upper body' - not even front or back was stated.
When was the 'struggle' Robin talked about? Amanda must have been at a distance in order to have 'charged', therefore not engaged in a struggle. That is probably the point at which the listener is meant to understand that Amanda 'rose up' and died defending Weston. It's such a bull story.
It is such a bullshit story. Random burglars also would not have left multiple credit cards scattered on the floor when they left - Amanda's purse was on the kitchen counter if I remember correctly - these random burglars left the purse on the counter and credit cards on the floor and took just that one solitary single ATM card ?
The credit cards being left behind are one of many major red flags. They are so portable, easy to hide and carry. Someone with ill intent can do alot of damage online in a quick amount of time with a stolen credit card because with the physical card in hand they would have the expiration date and the security code along with the number. So why not take the credit cards too, if these were really random burglars who just happened to find a house with the front door unlocked and walked in through it?
And the card was used at the ATM so close to Resonate Church - many other posters here and on DL have pointed out that if they just wanted money, there were many more ATMs from that bank closer to the Blackburn house and farther away from Resonate.
"The trial is probably going to happen in the springtime." - DB
Springtime huh? In the springtime, when all the flowers begin to grow, green leaves unfurl and life bursts forth anew. Springtime. Birds are singing. It is a time of hope and promise.
Just say Spring, or name a month, Davey. You're an adult male, not a Disney princess. Shove your whimsical "springtime" up your ass.
Isn't it interesting that Davey talks so much about how beneficial Amanda's murder was for the church, and how much God wanted it, and how happy Amanda, herself, is that she was murdered in her own home, so that more people would come to know Christ. And his heart breaks for the murderers of his wife and unborn child. And how important forgiveness is and how he chooses to forgive every day; but he shies away from talking about false accusations?
"Blessed are you, when they revile and harm you, and speak all evil against you, untruly, in My name"
That's from the Beatitudes.
Jesus had quite a bit to say about those who bear false witness. But crazy Davey says precious little about all the commenters on blogs and youtube and Facebook, who accuse him of being involved in Amanda's murder. His virtual silence on the subject speaks volume. He tries to shut down the voices by ignoring them and disdainfully referring to those who accuse him as "miserable people" not worthy of his time. (Note: no forgiveness for them, in fact he wants sharp and pointy things embedded into their tongues, IIRC)
People who have been unjustly accused tend to defend themselves. They are angry and issue reliable denials of the accusations. Here is a chance for Davey to be like Jesus and other martyrs who suffered the pain and indignity of being unjustly accused. But nope. Just ignore it and hope it will go away. Will he ever issue a reliable denial? He won't because he can't.
Thank you everyone for keeping this discussion going. There is so much to think about that, sometimes, I think it is easier to concentrate on one aspect, than the big picture. Eg Mel the dog. The insurance policy. The crime scene and what was and wasn't present. The Chevy Cruz. Davey's internet history and stolen computer. The Alison B robbery. KW and the driveway phone call. The multiple phones pinging everywhere. The timeline. Amber being in Indianapolis. The Christmas tree. The journals. There is so much. It all ties together, I know, but my brain can only handle a piece at a time. Someone made an analogy to a case being like a jigsaw puzzle bought from a yard sale. Some of the pieces are missing and there appear to be pieces from another puzzle mixed in. This case is a bit like that.
Especial thanks to Bobcat. The transcriptions are fascinating to read and contain so much. I think the Worship is a Weapon telegraphed Davey's intent. This is one of the earliest things that I heard and read and that convinced me crazy Davey was more than capable of planning a death through a series of, seemingly coincidental, steps.
"But be- I began playing out, the scenario in my mind. And I began to go, 'Oh my gosh.' That tree, is going to, shatter, my window, and then a shard of glass, is going to fly across the room. And embed itself into the drywall across the room, right above the light socket, where the wires run. It's gonna, clip the wire, send a spark onto, my carpet, that's going to ignite my carpet in flames; thereby causing, my smoke alarm, to, go into this high piercing frequency, that causes the fan, that's above me - the ceiling fan - to begin to rumble and, and shatter. Shattle. Shatter. And- and then- and then- and then it's gonna fall down on top of me, and I'm going to die a slow painful incendiary death!
And the black SUV that was in the neighborhood, stopped at the neighbors, right? While CD is still home, when he should have been gone already. Not to be mentioned ever again.
Jalen & Diano had a hearing today. Diano did not appear.
Jalen's next hearing is 10/27/17
Diano's next hearing is 11/17/17
Sigh
Davey has not been arrested, charged, and if he's being investigated, certainly nothing is sticking. Looks like you sleuths have spent weeks and years of your lives barking up the wrong tree....not to mention Peter's erroneous "guilty knowledge" SA conclusion.
All this effort.....gone with the wind.
Brenda. Nasty as ever. Did you see that Ayla Reynolds has been declared dead after being missing since 2011? Now her mother will be able to sue Justin Di Pietro for wrongful death. You might remember that Justin Di Pietro was not arrested or charged for Aylas murder, although he is certainly guilty. Perhaps after weeks and months of "barking up the wrong tree" something is finally sticking. Perhaps you would like to reread Peter's conclusions about Di Pietro (and Blackburn) and reassess your assumptions. Let's just wait and see if Peter's analysis is "erroneous". Where do you get off, anyway? Isn't this your stop?
Anony at 6:37. You are wrong. Davey is being investigated.
Somewhere out there, someone suspects they know the identity of BG (Bridge Guy) aka the animal that murdered Libby and Abbey in Indiana. (Known as the Delphi murders), and their suspicions are correct. Let's hope that there is nobody haranguing them, and trying to make them feel foolish for their suspicions and deriding them, by telling they are a "pathetic arm chair sleuth - barking up the wrong tree". Etc etc.9:27. You should consider whether mocking and insulting posters could result in people staying silent (your obvious aim) and allowing a murderer to go free.
Justice for Amanda, Libby, Abbey, and Ayla.
Uh...you're not nearly as necessary to the case (solved case) as you dream of being. You post on a rather obscure blog. That's it. You have NO access to evidence that John Q. Public doesn't have. The only difference is your fertile and infantile imagination.
BTW, you're tend to love comparing cases, as if that lends credence to your fiction writing. Hilarious.
The DataLounge part 8 thread has over one hundred recent posts with some new thoughts and information and maps - there are more discussions happening besides on this forum for sure.
I will say it again - those who dare to dream that this case is going away - it isn't - especially now that DataLoungers are on it. They seem to absolutely hate this guy (Davey) and have all but sworn that they will pursue the truth and keep the investigation in the forefront.
https://www.datalounge.com/thread/19181685--smoking-hot-pastor-s-wife-killed-after-failed-robbery-part-8
DataLounge post 392 was last Sunday
DataLounge post 500 was three hours ago (Friday night 6:31pm PST)
Those who post there think Davey is reading and posting, reply 471 has drawn some responses from them.
Reply 472 includes this line -
And fuck off, Davey at [R471]. We're just getting started.
Reply 485 addressed to Davey - first line not pasted here because of content. This is the second part of that reply and I believe it is true -
You are fooling absolutely no one here. And we ARE closing in on you. We will not rest until you are arrested for your wife's murder no matter how many "Parts" this thread must extend on DataLounge.
—You are fucked.
The question is, will Davey do whatever it takes to avoid being found out for this? Would he rather die in a mysterious accident than be arrested for Amanda's execution (whether the truth comes out that it was by his own hands or that he was involved by setting it up as a hit?)
I think so. His image would shatter if he was "caught" - but if he tragically died, he would never have to face the families and his "church" and his friends again. How can he explain, really, when the 911 call is released and it contradicts everything he has said this past 22 months? The DataLounge thread shows SO many people who know there is more to the story. Amanda's friends and family know too, if they are being "honest" and not sticking their heads in the sand like ostriches.
When Davey has to testify as a witness for the state and tell what happened and what he saw and honestly thought, his story is going to unravel more than it already has and everyone is going to know. Imagine the stuttering and stumbling in that courtroom. I believe his days are numbered, one way or another.
I dream I am necessary to the case so I post on an obscure blog. I compare cases to lend credence to my fiction writing. Hilarious.
Flightful, others have noticed a certain Josh Powellishness about crazy Davey. I hope you are incorrect, but I fear you may be right. Trenton Duckett's murderer springs to mind.
11:13. Hey stupid. I compare cases to rebut your repeated insinuations that the failure of LE to arrest a person equates to that person's innocence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Cunanan
New FB page to explore case from beginning. With trials finally on the horizon, this page will seek to go through all information with an open mind if possible. Certainly husband's odd behavior will be part of the discussion but all aspects will be addressed, Come join in discussion https://www.facebook.com/amandablackburncase/
Anonymous Trudy said...
11:13. Hey stupid. I compare cases to rebut your repeated insinuations that the failure of LE to arrest a person equates to that person's innocence.
September 30, 2017 at 1:36 AM
But dumbass, you forget one thing--there is no "case." The murderers have been charged and arrested. DB has not been implicated in any way or by anyone, including the trigger thugs.
The only place this case is "open" is in the hallucinatory minds of about three hysterical types on this blog.
Why don't you go investigate all that evidence you have that LE doesn't have and write more stories to publish on a little blog while thinking your solving a murder that has been solved. I'm sure LE will see the light between their bursts of laughter at you armchair sleuths.
Such idiocy.
*you're
I'm speaking generally, not specifically, about cases, as you are perfectly aware and too obtuse to admit. And you're the one that brought it up. Remember? Your repeated insistence that Bloggers here think that they are sleuths, who important to the Blackburn case are foolish and baseless. You are wrong, but you won't be told. I am embarrassed for you. This blog seems to be a itch that you can't scratch, and it's irritating you to the point that it is affecting your ability to contribute anything but bile, ridiculous accusations and hatred. You are irrational, and vulgar, my dear. Time for you to take a break. You aren't doing anyone any favours; least of all, yourself. Let it go.
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Great post, Flightful!
Brenda, did you read Flighfulbird's post?
I thought some of you would enjoy this.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=8977064574089264510&as_sdt=2005&sciodt=0,5&hl=en
No Trudy. I like to poke at self important people. Have you noticed how few are engaged here?
Davey Blackburn's concept of forgiveness jars me. If he has to choose to forgive, on a daily basis, what has already been forgiven, well that's NOT forgiveness.
Anon at 7:24. You should read the posts before you respond. It might help you make more sense of what's going on.
Forgiveness is a decision. And it's a decision I have to make every single day. So here I am, almost two years later, and I have to wake up, and say I choose to forgive. Tomorrow I’ll wake up and um, choose to forgive
Can you imagine poor Amanda, worrying whether past transgressions (like the dented grill) will be forgiven, anew, every single day. Every. Single. Day. How awful it would have been; waiting to see if crazy Davey has choosen to forgive you, today.
Really? Temporary Forgiveness which lasts 24 hours and then needs to be reassessed - That is a terrible message from anyone, never mind a Christian pastor.
Yes, Brenda at 7:24. I have noticed how few self important are engaged here.
September 30, 2017 at 8:20 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anon at 7:24. You should read the posts before you respond. It might help you make more sense of what's going on.
I'm going to "learn what's going on" from your slanted interpretations?
HAHAHAHA
There is no way to skew or "slant" an interpretation of this -
Davey Blackburn told IMPD Detective Pete Perkins on the morning of November 10, 2015 at Methodist Hospital that there was a Swisher Sweet package on the counter that did not belong in their residence.
He has since said in multiple appearances onstage and in blog posts that
- he had no idea anyone had been in his house
- that he was taking mental snapshots of things out of place so he could tell investigators later
IMPD detectives noted earbuds, duct tape, credit cards scattered around Amanda - the decorative ladder and a lamp turned over. Are these the things that were out of place - the things of which Davey was taking mental snapshots? And if he had no idea anyone had been in his house, does he think Amanda did this? How does he think Amanda ended up "in the condition she was in?" Why would he need to take mental snapshots to tell investigators if he honestly thought all of this was caused by a miscarriage?
If you want a fanciful story created by a hallucinatory mind to explain this, how about - Amanda was wearing earbuds and climbed up the decorative ladder to duct tape the flat screen television more securely to the wall. The ladder tipped over with Amanda on it, she grabbed the lamp on the way down and tipped it over- and happened to be holding some credit cards in her shirt pocket which were dislodged during the fall and strewn about her. Her shirt got caught on the ladder during the fall and pulled up towards her head. Her underwear also got caught on the lamp or ladder during the fall and that was what pulled it all the way down and off over her feet and laid it beside her.
The fall to the floor also caused all of these injuries in one fell swoop - -
severe head trauma to the back of her head/skull, wounds to her left arm/bicep and right back/shoulder, multiple teeth to be knocked out, a black eye, cuts and scratches.
This impossible above scenario is what it would take to explain everything that happened to Amanda without anyone else being in the house. And NONE of this would indicate a miscarriage. Davey's first honest thoughts should have been this - somebody has been in my house and beat the crap out of my wife, there is blood everywhere and there are things scattered around that shouldn't be here. . . .
Does the 911 call reflect this? I would wager heavily that it does not. Injured and unconscious - period. The Affidavit of Probable Cause obviously does not show the entire contents of the 911 call but I believe it would have indicated if Davey had reported a breakin along with an injured person - just as it indicated that Jacola Searsbrook and Alison Becker had reported breakins.
Even if Davey didn't know there were gunshots, um - there was more than enough other evidence TO HIM to know this wasn't only a miscarriage and that Amanda couldn't have done this to herself by accident.
- continued next post -
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Davey's own brother blogged about his impressions when he saw Amanda in the ICU - from that description alone (not seeing her in the actual crime scene), Jono gives the impression that there is no way in hell that Davey could have mistaken Amanda's injuries for a miscarriage.
Yet Davey repeated over and over (and still is repeating it) that his first honest thought was that something had gone horrifically wrong with, uh, the pregnancy, um. In all of its various incarnations, repeating that over and over does not make it any more plausible or even remotely possible.
The fact that Davey didn't mention the baby/ miscarriage to his dad, to Amanda's parents, to Perry Noble - it was always "pray for Amanda, she's fallen, she's unconscious, she passed out, she has a head wound".
- Davey is expecting people to actually believe these two things -
He had no idea anyone had been in his house
He honestly thought they had just lost the baby and that was all it was, that if they just got Amanda to the hospital she'd be ok
It looks more and more ridiculous every time it happens, when someone posts on here about farsical stories and active imaginations and stories created in our own minds. Davey's own words and actions on that morning and ever since then - the comparisons between his stories and thoughts - have implicated him far beyond anything we on this board or DataLounge or anywhere else could have ever imagined or dreamed.
"Slanted interpretations” means that there are different ways to interpret Davey’s words - comparing the words he spoke on the morning of November 10th to the words he has spoken since then. There are no different ways to interpret his statements and no way to reconcile his statements to make them, taken together, make sense.
The 911 call - yes please !
There is no need to copy and paste the entire comment that you are responding to, every single time, Brenda. It's a waste of time. And I didn't say "learn what's going on." If you are going to quote me, please, at least try, to be accurate. Thank you.
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Flightfulbird, yes please from me too. I'd love to know how close the 911 call is to our predictions. I'd like to hear Jacola S and Allison B's 911 calls, too.
It has been complained here that on this board we are fabricating stories, questioning things that surely IMPD would have thought of, making up wild scenarios to fit our speculation and make Davey guilty.
So in light of this -
If you take away all of the thoughts about Amber covering up what happened - all of the thoughts about Meg knowing something - all of the thoughts about how people grieve differently and maybe Davey handled Amanda's death so smoothly because the Levi Lusko video had prepared his heart leading up to it. . .
If you take away all of the questions and scenarios of where Weston might have been and whether he was cooing behind the still-closed door or not - about how long it took Davey to call 911 after he walked in and saw Amanda - about whether Davey staying on the phone for almost an hour with Kenneth Wagner was an alibi or not . . .
If you take away all the thoughts and questions about WHEN anything actually happened to Amanda, whether it was on Sunday night or sometime on Monday or on Tuesday morning or a combination of the above . . .
If you take away all of the questions about why Mel wasn't barking and why she was locked up in a bedroom. . . and all of the other coincidences and things that happened to the day and journal entries supposedly written by Amanda supporting that she was totally ok with whatever happened to her if it was God's plan for her life . . .
. . . can ANYONE explain how, in light of the severity and location of Amanda's injuries and the random stuff scattered around the house and sitting on the kitchen counters - and in light of Davey's statements to Detective Perkins and documented in the APC -
that Davey could then later say and KEEP saying -
that he had no idea anyone had been in his house
and
that he thought Amanda had lost the baby, miscarried, something had gone wrong with the pregnancy, in whatever words
Broken record much (me?), about these two statements of Davey's - yes definitely. But this is one of the keys to the whole thing. If this was a random home invasion, then he should've said to 911 that someone had broken into his house and attacked his wife - not that he had no idea anyone had been in his house, that he found out at the hospital that there had actually been a h-home, uh, invasion.
And everyone knows that there's no way the scope and severity and locations of Amanda's injuries could ever be mistaken for a miscarriage. All of those multiple teeth being knocked out alone would have indicated an assault to her ---> crime scene ---> IMPD. Add in the shirt pulled up and underwear off - and gunshot wounds even if he didn't know there were bullets (ok sure) - the more Davey repeats the miscarriage story, the more stupid it looks.
But he has to stick with that story now after saying it so many times, yes?
The walls are going to close in, and soon.
Flightful, I agree. I would add that it took him 5 minutes to call 911 and he didn't check Weston, touch Amanda or try to help or cover her. To me , not covering her or helping her means he knew it was a crime seen and didn't want to
touch the scene and possibly leave evidence pointing to him.
Meanwhile, Taylor and Watson are sitting quietly in prison, not talking because of fear of repercussion....willing to be charged with murder, and LE is too stupid to recognize this.
It's so comforting to have you fantasizing crime solvers on the case.
Taylor and Watson have not taken plea deals. Now it goes to trial and I bet DB is not at all happy about that. A lot of things are going to be going public like possibly autopsy photos and 911 call. Davey will have to take the stand. That should be very interesting.
This week in Davey Land, he played golf at least twice, planned a church staff fun day, brainstormed for the Nothing is Wasted retreat and went to St. Louis. (all from his Instastories) Turning Indy upside down!!
Yeah, if ever the time to speak out.......
With LE having access to the 911 call, presumably they have combed through it for evidence, but rather than incriminate DB, it seems logical that it has exonerated him; otherwise, why would they be sitting on their thumbs with evidence?
You crime-solvers' tv-based drama effect of LE pouncing on DB in court once the 911 call is heard, is simply juvenile dramatics. This is not a tv drama......only among you three in this blog.
It's irrational.
Hate to break it to you, but the fact you sleuths haven't heard the call is beyond meaningless.
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