Thursday, February 23, 2017

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Peter Hyatt on "Crime Wire": The Murder of Amanda Blackburn 


February 23, 2017, Peter Hyatt will be a guest on "Crime Wire" live broadcast, and will be taking your calls and questions at 9am to 1030AM EST.  

Amanda Blackburn was a victim of a sexual homicide in which arrests have been made. 

Questions, however, remain in one of the most bizarre 'solved' murder cases of recent years. 

Peter Hyatt will share analysis of the case, including deception detection techniques, and what this may mean for justice.  

Imagine Publicity Blog  :  broadcast of the show on Madeleine McCann 2016.  

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Anonymous said...

And marriage too what a horrible institution. Marriage was merely a trap Davey used to snare Amanda into a life of pure misery shackled to his homosexual self who didn't want her to feel desirable because he wanted all the men looking at him. Just disgusting, and tragic, and so nauseating hearing him make a grotesque parody out of marriage with his diabolical talk of "shepherding his bride". Such a filthy creature he is.

Bingo said...

"Davey 'stewarding' Amanda 'for a season' - that so gives the chills, it sounds far removed from the intention to love, honour, and to cherish Amanda for life. Marriage vows do not entail stewarding partners for a season, like cattle for the market or a crop to the harvest. I still can't believe he said that, though I do."

Exactly! Alarming statements. And he personally presented Amanda to Jesus. What a swell guy! Confession and justification!

Bingo said...

Davey sure does have an odd way of describing his closest friends.

About Perry:And he took several shots FOR me as I walked through the darkest season of my life thus far

About Meg: a punching bag. She takes a lot of crap for Weston and me

He just loves to talk about shots and punches even when praising his friends. He is one messed up, dark individual.

Anonymous said...

in spite of the onsetught most people still believe homosexuality is a perversion of human sexuality reproduction of the species thing

I just don't think you can get mental health treatment anymore cuz people in that biz are scared of the backlash I play basketball and in the locke room the guys talk one way and are grossed out but don't dare say that in public

I have gay friends and they definitey have issues but they are still my friends One bud admits he knows it is not normal He has sex with 4 or 5 guys a night that are strangers ever y night of his life he says he would never get action like that from women

We talked about Pastor Dayve and everyone that saw the video says "duh" he is gay. they think he off'd her but some thing he just got lucky like good timing thing but Amanda was his cover

Hey Jude said...

Anon - it seems you have a base and narrow view of all women if you really believe all that you write - do you not know many women?

I think you don't make much effort to try to put yourself in the subject's shoes, or to see how one person's words or behaviour would be likely to impact another in any situation.

Strange if you think a brother and sister in law cannot have a brother-sister like affection - or disaffection, for that matter. Davey, for instance, at least until it was highlighted, spoke of Amber as 'Amanda's sister' -suggesting distance - she is Amanda's relative rather than his. Jono, on the other hand, refers to Amanda as his sister in law, his sister, like a sister, which is complimentary as it makes her closer than is socially polite and necessary - he wants to convey Amanda's standing in his eyes by saying she is his sister, which also conveys that the nature of his affection is that of a brother.

Hey Jude said...

I don't think Amanda was punched in the mouth by Davey or any of the three accused - he, or one of them would have had bruising if that happened.

I think Amanda's teeth were kicked out, and that's why '..now I just kick them in the teeth' entered Kenneth's Wagner's language. He couldn't prevent himself from saying it to Davey's congregation, and he was there under sufferance. Successful pastors do not generally go round kicking people in the teeth, or joking that they do - so he was not really talking about himself, and while intended as a sort of 'joke', there is often truth in a person's joke. I think he knew Amanda was kicked in the teeth, and it's likely investigators had told him that, or even Davey told him, claiming he couldn't believe it when they told him that, sort of thing.

Punch or kick, it is awful to know what was done to Amanda - one can only hope that and other things were done after she was unconscious.

TJ said...

From Jono's blog:

"If this does not stop, her heart will stop. They are asking Davey if he wants her to be resuscitated if this happens.”

"Davey has made the decision, along with her parents, not to resuscitate her if it gets to that point.”

Is anyone else seriously surprised that Davey said "No" to resuscitation? It was probably more like "Hell, no!"

Anonymous said...

Jude said

"Anon - it seems you have a base and narrow view of all women if you really believe all that you write - do you not know many women?"

How is it a base view of women Jude? The people here have a narrow view of women including Amanda, acting as if she is so "chaste" (meaning what? She is not chaste once she is in the marriage.) she would be content having her sexuality totally unfulfilled (husband is gay) and having her sexuality killed off by her husband (publically) making sodomy rape jokes about HER. If someone actually believes that, which one of the posters upthread does), that poster is incredibly naive. No woman is happy in a relationship/marriage where she does not feel desired, sexually fulfilled and made to feel attractive, and yes you can choose to believe it or not, but any woman in that situation is looking around at men, fantasizing about cheating, and once the opportunity presents itself, she will "cheat". If you don't believe this, you are incredibly naive! Men who do not fulfill women and don't make them feel desired, yet are in a relationship with a woman, are oftentimes gay.
These gay men, as we see in the case of Amanda, not only do not make their wives feel attractive, desired, of loved (a situation I assure you NO WOMAN IS content with), but they also attempt to "kill" the woman's sexuality, in this case, DAvey uses sodomy rape jokes. A normal heterosexual man is thrilled to make a woman feel beautiful and sexy, because he thinks that women are beautiful and sexy, heterosexual men desire women strongly, and he also knows it will also make his life nice if he does so. Gay men who are with women, however, are jealous of their wives sexuality and womanhood, knowing that their wife has something so naturally alluring to men that they LACK, and they wish they had it. That is why we see DAvey trying to construct an almost feminine silhouette with his skinny jeans, longer shirts etc.
And that is why he tried to kill off Amanda's sexuality using rape jokes and rape references about her.
Any man who does not make their partner feel beautiful and sexy doesn't deserve to be with her. What is the point for the woman? To have someone sitting around who makes her feel undesirable who she can clean up after and listen to his bullshit blah blah blah I want to be a pastor (or whatever). Men have very very overblown ideas of how important they are, thinking a woman would be interested in merely that...no, she is looking around at other men, she is fantasizing sleeping with them, and if the situation presents itself, she will do so. And this is not wrong. What is wrong is a gay man marrying a woman, or any man marrying a woman who does not find his wife desirable, that woman owes that man nothing including fidelity.

You can believe what you want, but I assure you any woman in Amanda's position, spends a lot of mental energy fantasizing about men other than her husband, she is not going to say this the way some men might verbalize "oh shes' hot etc) but she is will be looking around and also fantasizes about leaving the husband to be with a normal man who makes her feel desirable. If a hetero man makes her feel beautiful and desired and there is opportunity/time she will cheat with him, because that man is offering her something so superior to what the husband who does not make her feel desirable. Nothing else outweighs it--money, companionship, etc etc/ There is nothing "base" about this. What is base is a gay man marrying a woman. That's beyond sick and selfish and deceptive.

Anonymous said...

Look at it this way. If Amanda had cheated and left DAvey, she would most likely still be alive today. That is how toxic the situaiton was. A woman's sexuality can help lead her out of very toxic situations, where her whole body is telling her "this in not right" you need a man who is normal who makes you feel desired....if she had listened to this, she would have gotten away from DAvey. DAvey killed her sexuality and then he killed her.

Also whoever is saying that Davey would have had bruises if he punched her in the mouth, how do you know he didn't use gloves? I'm sure he didn't want his precious hand to get cut or break a nail. Maybe he wore leather gloves or something. He punched her in the mouth according to SA due to his telegraphing that exact thing days before it actually happened to Amanda.

Anonymous said...

Resonate has a bait & switch facebook page now. No more Jesus-pose Davey cover photo. Zach & Lauren front & center, BUT...you still get to suffer through sermons by "Lead Pastor" Davey.

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I'm still pondering this from Amber:
https://vimeo.com/146148634
Amber 18:20

Probably what’s the most ironic thing about, having a baby sister, like a little sister, um, because you kind of feel like, you have to protect them and, um, like, (18:35 Crying ? But Still Talking) just watch out for them all the time and, it’s just amazing how, um, looking at- it- just in the last probably 10 years of our life um. I look up to her more than, almost anybody in this whole world.”


I look (present tense) up to her more than almost anybody in this world.

Present tense
"Almost anybody" is a very low common denominator.

It's like saying I don't look up to her at all.

She is comparing things with the use of "just" three times.

Anonymous said...

This stuff is hilarious on one level but rather pathetic and even tragic on another.

There is not a shred of evidence for the entire months-long narrative and what is becoming an evolving exercise in story-writing. The few commenters who remain here have repeated and exaggerated their nonsense....so many false statements, conjecture, theories presented now, after all this repetition, as truth....that facts are now obscured, and this discussion doesn't resemble, nor does it include, the FACTS of the case.

There is no quest for truth here; rather, you fake practitioners seek to apply your bogus brand of statement analysis with the constant objective to prove and/or fit your theories. It's not a good example or recommendation for statement analysis. Fortunately, most people are not this stupid as evidenced by the exodus of the majority of commenters here. It's the same old ones, and you people continue to cling to your stories, which, of course, are constantly changing.




Anonymous said...

Blogger Bobcat said...
Resonate has a bait & switch facebook page now. No more Jesus-pose Davey cover photo. Zach & Lauren front & center, BUT...you still get to suffer through sermons by "Lead Pastor" Davey.




Well, bobcat, you just keep us informed with your information that I'm sure no one notices until you point it out. Way to go there.

Can you explain the significance of this erstwhile "bait and switch"? I'm sure it somehow will lead LE to arrest of Davey. Right?

Anonymous said...

Davey...Dave...David

Anonymous said...

Also, something else that should be noted: Hetero men have an uncanny ability to pick up on when a woman is not being cared for by her husband or partner (sexually but also in any other way, they can sense when another guy is not taking care of business) and will gravitate towards her. I think it must be some primal evolutionary thing, but also I think the instinct to protect as well as please women is so strong in heterosexual men that they almost have an "antennae" to pick up on this and will literally gravitate towards the woman who is stuck with a man who is not caring for her. It is most interesting.

Regarding sex specifically, for hetero men pleasing a woman through sex is not just about the act itself, it really is how they affirm their masculinity. Oftentimes, they will feel like "the man" after intimacy that is actually normal heterosexual sex that pleases the woman. Men who do not desire to feel that way like they are "the man" are usually gay. Period. There is such a difference between gay and hetero men. Hetero men are generous...they want to protect, they want to help, they want to please a woman. Gay men are very detectable bc they simply do not feel these instincts towards and typically do not feel them towards men either. So, point being, I guarantee there were at least a few hetero men who knew Amanda was not being cared for and at least wanted to help in some way. I assure you there were--hetero men literally can sense this and they will gravitate towards the woman to try to "help". It's very interesting actually.

Anonymous said...

...Little Davey

flightfulbird said...

TJ said...
From Jono's blog:

"If this does not stop, her heart will stop. They are asking Davey if he wants her to be resuscitated if this happens.”

"Davey has made the decision, along with her parents, not to resuscitate her if it gets to that point.”

Is anyone else seriously surprised that Davey said "No" to resuscitation? It was probably more like "Hell, no!"



TJ I was thinking exactly the same thing when I read that - I'm sure that was a very difficult decision for him to make (NOT).

There's no way he would've agreed to resus - imagine his surprise that morning when he walked in (from the gym) and found Amanda STILL breathing. He couldn't take a chance on having her wake up and reveal anything she had seen that morning.

flightfulbird said...

From Amanda's parents' standpoint, it would be kinder (and the right thing) to not resuscitate if Amanda would never be the same if she woke up. But Davey had an agenda that was different than theirs.

Anonymous said...

And since her parents were included in the do not resuscitate decision, were they excited and unhesitant as well?

You freaks discredit yourselves.

Anonymous said...

Yeah.....yeah.... that's it, flightfulbird.

Anonymous said...

They can't pinpoint when she was shot. Brain swelling could have been on day two already, with damage done as there was no craniectomy to relieve pressure.

If she could have stayed alive, albeit brain-damaged, her body might have supported the pregnancy to term. Then they could have made further decisions.

I wonder if she kept going after being shot in the head. Did she 'rise up' with a bullet in her head? Was the kick to the face after being shot? Poor thing...

Anonymous said...

“The swelling is happening rapidly and pressing on her spinal cord, increasing her blood pressure, which will cause her heart to stop. The doctor says she won’t come back from this. Davey has made the decision, along with her parents, not to resuscitate her if it gets to that point.”

Jono wrote this, quoting a text from his mother, while:
Davey was at the hospital with Amanda.
Jono was driving from Alabama.
Brenda was driving from North Carolina.
Amanda's parents were flying from California.

Amanda's parents weren't there yet, so we don't know if they spoke to doctor's or Davey (were they in the air?), or what Davey texted or told his mother that was relayed to Jono.

It's hearsay whether Amanda's parents had any input.

Hey Jude said...

Anon - you demonstrate again that you don't understand. Amanda was chaste - she took a purity pledge as a young girl; chasteness is a state of mind and being which would have been a big part of who she was from a young age. You confuse chastity with abstinence if you believe sex within marriage is not chaste - chastity and abstinence are not the same. If there were temptations, she would have not allowed herself to have been tempted - you seem not to understand how that type of self-integrity works. For Amanda's mindset, it would be only Davey who could have compromised or violated her chasteness, if he demanded of her acts which she did not regard as pure or acceptable within marriage.

Anonymous said...

Bobcat, is it hearsay that Davey agreed to that decision?

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 6:00,

It's hearsay that "Davey has made the decision". Grandpa Blackburn was also supposedly present and could have been relaying messages.

I wonder why Jono made no mention of Amber at Amanda's bedside, since Amber says she held Amanda's hand for two days.

flightfulbird said...

About Davey's decision to DNR Amanda -

This prepared statement released almost immediately -

"although we are hurting tremendously, we are still hoping and still believing that great things are still yet to come from this"

was prepared by a guy who had already moved on.

Discontinuing life support or signing a DNR was just a formality. The decision had already been made.

And (in my opinion) Davey was not anticipating Amanda to ever make it as far as Methodist Hospital that he would even have to consider whether to remove life support or sign a DNR - he was thinking it would be the coroner that came for her and not IFD Engine 12.

Concerned said...

This case has introduced me to a number of people very different from
my friends and family. Most extreme are the Perry Noble/Davey/"Pastors"
and their followers and the Alonzo Bull/Kilz Gang/Donae Mitchell bunch.
(One is as bad as the other.)

I sometimes look at Donae's Facebook page and feel, because of her rants
about Alonzo, that she will one day be the weak link, telling it all to LE. Today
I saw her fretting about the fact that she was walking into court with her mother
who may be going to jail for 3 years. She just finished serving 10
years which means she's been in jail since before Donae was 10.

I find this all so sad and wonder how this 20 year old with two small children and no
job, no skills will make it in this world. She obviously is involved in criminal
activity, always asking if FB friends want to make some fast money and speaking
of her drug use.

As much as I pray that Davey pays for his treatment of Amanda and that he
is stopped from capitalizing on her death, I pray for the Donaes of this world who
hardly have a chance.

Anonymous said...

Hey Jude said

"Anon - you demonstrate again that you don't understand. Amanda was chaste - she took a purity pledge as a young girl; chasteness is a state of mind and being which would have been a big part of who she was from a young age. You confuse chastity with abstinence if you believe sex within marriage is not chaste - chastity and abstinence are not the same. If there were temptations, she would have not allowed herself to have been tempted - you seem not to understand how that type of self-integrity works. For Amanda's mindset, it would be only Davey who could have compromised or violated her chasteness, if he demanded of her acts which she did not regard as pure or acceptable within marriage."

Hey Jude, You are free to believe whatever you wish. I am simply telling you something about human nature that you can choose to ignore if you want to. When a woman, I don't care how "chaste" she is is in a relationship with a man who violates her as a woman (for a man to joke about sodomy rape towards his wife in public qualifies very much so!!!) the desire to have a sexual relationship with another man who can give her a loving connection will be STRONG. This will be an inward desire to be sexual with another man. Women do not willingly or easily allow their sexuality to be killed off, and when women are treated with sexual degradation by their partner, there is a natural urge, a very strong one in fact, to sleep with a man who can connect lovingly. It doesn't matter to me if you believe this, I assure you it is true, and if you don't want to believe it that's your choice!

The same also goes for a woman whose partner does not make her feel desired or sexually fulfilled due to his being gay that would be one reason, yes, she will attempt to not be "tempted" by other men, but this will only work for so long and in time, she will begin actively fantasizing about other men and if the opportunity presents itself she will sleep with another man who is making her feel desired and attractive.

You think Amanda would not ever feel that way? I assure you she felt no attraction to Davey post sodomy rape jokes (and I assure you that is only the tip of the iceburg of what Davey was doing), yet she would have felt attracted to other men. She in fact would have felt a strong urge to connect with another (healthy) man after DAvey's treatment of her.

You can choose to believe this or not, I assure you it is all true. Self-integrity has nothing to do with it. Women do not feel attached to, attracted to, or loyal to men who make rape jokes about them, and they do feel attracted to other men, in fact strongly in an attempt to heal what has been done to them by their partner.

There is more I could say about this, but it's pointless, because you are so naive about human nature and you also act as if it would have been immoral for any woman to try to connect with a man who has a loving sexuality after having rape jokes said about them by their supposed husband. Davey was no husband, and Amanda knew that he was destroying her, and other men would have been very attractive at that point. If you think a woman is going to block out temptation after having sodomy rape jokes made about them OR if they are treated as undesirable, denigrated etc you are quite plainly ignorant. Deeply ignorant in fact and you seem to view women in a very one-dimensional way, like "she was chaste--she would block out all temptation for her husband who jokes about rape sodomy". Keep telling yourself that. You're wrong.

Anonymous said...

Also, it really doesn't matter how you choose to paint Amanda in such a one-dimensional way: she was not one-dimensional. You have a very underdeveloped idea of women, as well as an ignorance of what they seek in a relationship with a man. It's actually quite stunning how foolish your views are. As well as the fact you think that women who are sexually denigrated or just made to feel sexually undesirable (which I assure you jokes about sodomy rape would have that effect) are so one-dimensional they would not have inner feelings about this, they would not desire another man. Do you view women as robots? It's clear you see women as very one-dimensional--there's no concept of them having an inner life or their own sexuality--you see it like they are just automatons revolving around their "man", thinking only about their "man" no matter how repulsive the sex experience (sodomy rape jokes very repulsive). You are ignorant, there's nothing I can tell you to help you understand.

TJ said...

HJ, don't waste your time with Anon. it's apparent that this person's only goal is to derail this thread and take up needless space. Trying to read Anon's post scratches my cornea. I say we all make a pact to ignore Blackburn, er Anon.

Anonymous said...

Oh poor you TJ. What about it "scratches your cornea"? The fact it doesn't agree with your immature, one-dimensional views of women? Your disgusting views on how women should behave? Thinking they should Remain in a "chaste" relationship with someone who jokes about sodomy rape towards their wife? Not being willing to comprehend the facts I've told you? Not understanding that when men sexually denigrate their wife or make her feel undesirable that yes, other men look very good to her, not the husband, and she would want to be with other men, and you are not at liberty to say who would or would not act on it. You do not have any insight into women, nor are you entitled to claim you know what was going on in Amanda's mind or in her life. I'm so sick of the various posters who make Amanda into a one-dimensional cardboard cut-out just bc they are reading her alleged journal which was most likely forged and does not reveal everything that goes on in her mind and also may well have been written in a specific way knowing DAvey was snooping in it. Some men are very naive and assume they can sexually denigrate, or insult a woman (call her fat, etc), make her feel undesirable and think that the woman would continue mentally orbiting around him sexually. I assure you ANY woman treated like that begins looking immediately at other men and in time will act on it. She is not going to come out and tell her hubby this or write about it in a journal she knows he is snooping in, but nonetheless rest assured this is what happens. This shouldn't be problematic knowledge to any man who treats his woman well.

Anonymous said...

It absolutely disgusts me that any poster here would think that ANY woman should cultivate "chastitiy" (sacred connection/fidelity or whatever) towards a man publically joking about sodomy rape towards his wife. ONce a man does something like that, a woman owes him nothing in terms of fidelity. What is she? HIs sex slave? Fuck that. I hope she did cheat on him, and if you don't think she wanted to, you are not a woman, that's all I can say.

Having her own husband joke (in front of thousands!) about sodomozing her forcibly without her consent using "butter" is fucking repulsive, and the fact this guy is a "religious leader". Fuck him. I hope he goes to jail. The scary part is that those jokes and that sexual degradation was a RED FLAG of what he was capable of which was MURDER of his wife and unborn child. Had she gone with another man she may very well still be alive right now as well as her baby.

Hey Jude said...

Yes, Anon seems to be obsessed with sex and thinks everyone else must be the same, she also has such a strange stereotypical idea of women, it's either all projection, or it's been gleaned from reading too many of her son's boy magazines. I sometimes feel like I should take a shower after reading your posts, Anon.

Hey Jude said...

I didn't say Amanda should have cultivated chastity towards a man publicly making sodomy jokes about her - I said that she would have remained chaste in her marriage. It is the mindset, the wife submits to the husband, or believes she should - the caveat is that he should be godly, and worthy of her, in which case he will not require submission, but do everything out of love to please her, and she him. So Amanda remained chaste in her marriage, while she prayed and waited and trusted in God to fix Davey.

Anonymous said...

Hey Jude, you have no idea what Amanda was thinking. Do you think she is stupid? Do you think she was praying for God to fix DAvey? No, she knew he was unfixable. I'm so sorry if me repeating what he said about her angers posters. I find it to be particularly disturbing and I also despise people who humiliate other people which Davey did to Amanda by making that "joke". No woman feels attracted to a man who makes sodomy rape jokes about them and yes the guy is gay so no he did not make her feel desirable. Women in that situation do strongly desire a loving sexual connection with a man (Im sorry is that so offensive for people here to hear that oh my gosh yes that's just so outrageously dirty for me to say that!!! Oh my God!!!) and they are not going to be picturing their husband who makes rape jokes about them. What is so controversial about me pointing that out? If you don't like what I say, then don't read it. If Davey can make rape sodomy jokes about Amanda and that can be discussed here, then I have every right to say that these "jokes" would have caused her to desire a different man. If someone disagrees with me, that is perfectly fine, but that is what I believe and I most certainly wish she had cheated on him, as she would most likely be alive if she had.

Anonymous said...

Jude said

"I didn't say Amanda should have cultivated chastity towards a man publicly making sodomy jokes about her - I said that she would have remained chaste in her marriage. It is the mindset, the wife submits to the husband, or believes she should - the caveat is that he should be godly, and worthy of her, in which case he will not require submission, but do everything out of love to please her, and she him. So Amanda remained chaste in her marriage, while she prayed and waited and trusted in God to fix Davey."

This is so intellectually dishonest because what you wrote negates the first sentence. You say she doesnt need to cultivate chastity towards Davey but then you write "Amanda remained chaste in her marriage while she prayed and waited and trusted in God to fix Davey."

How do you know this? How do you know she prayed and waited and trusted God would fix him? You don't. Why would she want God to "fix him" after what he said about her? He had done too much very bad shit to her. She wanted out of that relationship. Davey is disgusting on every level. So disgusting to joke in front of thousands about raping your own wife. He should go to jail just for saying that.

Anonymous said...

And Jude, I believe you are a man, therfore you have little insight into any woman's mind including Amandas. As a woman, I feel great sorrow for her she was trapped in that marriage with that lying homo who made rape sodomy jokes about her and attempted to destroy her sexuality and then actually killed her. I have every fuckin right to feel that way. If you don't like it, I don't give a shit.

Anonymous said...

Look at Amanda's expression from 5:30 and on for 20 seconds or so, and tell me she wouldn't have been receptive to a nice caring heterosexual man. That is a look of pure disgust of someone trapped who wants the hell out. Hate to burst the bubble of people here who think she was praying to God to change him, she wanted the hell out. Think what you want, the one-dimensional view of her as a masochistic saint praying for Davey to stop being a psychotic tight-wearing homo is ABSURD and OFFENSIVE.

Hey Jude said...

Yeah, I do know some of what Amanda was thinking - Davey said Amanda asked God in her journal to fix him - that's probably why he monitored her journal, to make sure she didn't keep writing that stuff. No, I don't think Amanda was stupid. Amanda lived in the culture within which she was raised, with the shared mindset, and was surrounded by likeminded women who keep faith with their husbands, and count it failure and shame to walk away from their marriage.

It is you who is angry - did you notice you are ranting? I am not angry at you.

I'm angry because Amanda was murdered, and that Davey ended up the way he is.

Young men raised in that way also feel the pressure to marry and to produce children - if they are gay, they often will not admit of it, not even to themselves, if they do, it is not likely to be while they are young. They are raised to view homosexuality negatively, and as sinful, so are apt to deny and hate that in themselves. If the father expresses disdain or mockery of homosexuals, the son is not likely to feel able to say he is gay - often the intention, 'no son of mine will be gay' Result, not healthy. They will marry and try to be happy heterosexuals, but it is not who they are. In those circles there is not much leeway _ to be gay and choose abstinence ,believing homosexuality is sinful - there will likely to be pressure to marry anyway, because to be gay, even if not wanting any relationship, is not often an acceptable option to others - he should marry and settle down and be 'normal'. To be openly gay - not even a consideration. It is easy to condemn, but life is not easy for such young men - they do not mean harm in marrying, as some here seem to think, though obviously it may result in harm - they are trying to do what they believe is right, while they are young. Their marriages may or may not work out - they may or may not begin to lead secret double lives. Many women, knowingly or less knowingly, are married to gay men of the type who wish they were not gay, and who battle against those desires.

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Yes, it's quite possible Amanda would not be dead if she had left Davey - it's also possible that she may be dead because she was planning to leave him, and that was too much for his ego. We don't know - shouting is not going to change anything.

Hey Jude said...

Of course by the time she was murdered, Amanda wanted out - I believe that was her crisis, and where lies Amber's guilt. You really do go out of your way to misrepresent with your simplistic and inaccurate summaries of what you claim I think and believe.

Still, this is life, and it was ever such.



Hey Jude said...

Anon's Logic:

'And Jude, I believe you are a man, therfore you have little insight into any woman's mind including Amandas,'

Because you believe I am a man, I therefore can have little insight into any woman's mind including Amanda's mind.

My insight is dependent upon what you believe about me?

You might want to think about that one. :)

Hey Jude said...

If someone does not conform to your degraded stereotype of a woman, that means she must be a man?

Lol. Well, that is quite funny.

Anonymous said...

Jude wrote

"It is easy to condemn, but life is not easy for such young men - they do not mean harm in marrying, as some here seem to think, though obviously it may result in harm - they are trying to do what they believe is right, while they are young. Their marriages may or may not work out - they may or may not begin to lead secret double lives. Many women, knowingly or less knowingly, are married to gay men of the type who wish they were not gay, and who battle against those desires."

Yes, they do mean harm in marrying. They are using the woman as a prop, as a narcissist's object devoid of feelings, wishes, desires, in short, of any humanity of her own. Separately, I don't know why homosexuals deserve so much pity and excuse-making and why they feel special entitlement to deceive on the level of a sociopath. Their entire act of marrying a woman is gaslighting at it's finest. Why do they deserve special pity? Life is hard for everyone, and by no means do homosexuals have harder lives than many other people. I was severely abused as a child. Does that give me the right to lie to other people, or use them, or trick them, or arrange fake situations for myself? No. How about people who are disabled? Do you ever hear disabled people claim that since life is such a bitch that gives them the right to lie, trick people, use people. No. It is only homosexuals that claim because their life is so hard that gives them a free pass on using, lying to and actually destroying women. Is their life hard? Maybe. Does that give them the right to use, lie to, trick and destroy other people? No. Not for a minute.
I know there are some slight minority of women like Mormons who marry men knowing they are gay and those women are masochistic, instead of love and desire they receive disgust. There are masochists who do many strange things, and that is one example is knowingly marrying a gay guy who is disgusted by the fact they are female.

Anonymous said...

Jude said

"If someone does not conform to your degraded stereotype of a woman, that means she must be a man?"

No, you are the one with the degraded stereotype of women where you buy into the idea that women are narcissistic objects with no needs, desires, wishes of their own. They're just the good woman, no needs, no desires, just kneeling and praying on rice that their gay husband will turn straight and stop making sodomy rape jokes, they would never check out a construction worker or be receptive to the advances of a nice kind heterosexual man of course not because they have no needs or desires. Keep telling yourself that. I am being attacked for stating a fact. A woman in her situation will be receptive to a man who makes her feel desirable and is offering a loving connection. Period. If that's a degraded stereotype to you, then you might want to get your head screwed on straight, because that is HUMAN NATURE.

Anonymous said...

Plus, how can anyone argue that DAvey was merely trying to hide his homsexuality when, once Amanda was dead, he turned into a flamer for the whole world to see? Is he hiding it now? No. I have a gay male friend and he is awesome, sweet and kind person, so I don't dislike gay men, however, some gay men have very dark energy and what they are doing by marrying a woman is trying to siphon her energy and life force and attack and destroy her both psychologically and sexually. Why they do that I am not sure. Of course they would say it is out of self-hatred blah blah, but I don't believe that. Many are simply black holes sucking in all that is around them into their narcissistic nightmare. DAvey is a perfect example and I am very sorry if I offended people's sensibilities by illustrating just how unfulfilling a marriage to DAvey would be for the woman married to him. Now commenters are confirming that yes she wanted out of the relationship which is what I said. I almost feel like on some energy level DAvey "sacrificed" Amanda to steal her feminine essence. How come now after he "sacrificed" her he is wearing skinny jeans, too tight women's jean jackets etc. HOw come after he killed her and her unborn baby, her "pregnancy", her ability to give life at least to that baby, he is now posturing as a "Mom"...he is going around with Weston like he is the "Mom", he even dresses like a "Mom". Gay men like any men and like any person can have very dark energy just as a hetero can have, but it just seems so clear to me that Davey was jealous of Amanda's femininity for reasons I am not clear on, he wanted to steal that from her. He was very jealous of her and it is not clearcut why, I am sure he thought he was better looking than her, sexier than her, but perhaps it was the fact that she was female and was more alluring to men due to that fact, he was also jealous of her ability to become pregnant and bring forth life, perhaps feeling himself God-like he resented her having that ability and wanted it for himself and that is why he destroyed her pregnancy and why he is posturing that he is a single "Mom".

Hey Jude said...

I think maybe you don't get how some people are raised, or how narrow their experience, mindset and expectations can be. Still, as you see my difference of perception as an 'attack', I will leave it there, except to say, again, you are wrong about what I think and believe.

Anonymous said...

Hey Jude said....

Yes, it's quite possible Amanda would not be dead if she had left Davey - it's also possible that she may be dead because she was planning to leave him, and that was too much for his ego. We don't know - shouting is not going to change anything.





So......which is it? Davey killed Amanda because he wanted to get rid of her to slingshot his career...personal ambition? Or....he killed her because she was planning to leave him? There is a subtle difference in those two theories.

Did Davey personally kill Amanda? Or did he arrange her murder with the thugs? If he arranged with the thugs, how were they paid? LE should be able to trace that payment. DB was not rolling in dough at the time.

Or have we now moved on from Davey .... Megs ..... Amber ....... to Jono?

(Please pay attention to concerned. The anon from Florida who is hung up on homosexuality, seems to hate men, and appears mentally unstable .... Uh..... I am not that anon.)


Anonymous said...

Lol

Concerned deleted her comment, but she was reminding you that Peter had cautioned not all commenters here are mentally healthy, and she advised you to not allow the poster from Florida who has used many different names here to derail the discussion.

From this point, I will copy and save comments for my own reference.

Hey Jude said...

Anon, there need not have been only a single motive for Amanda's murder.

Also, bear in mind Amanda and Davey were both very young when they were married, and how people can change over time, for the better, or for the worse, and that many divorce if the going gets tough. That would have been very unlikely to have been an option in either of their minds - for Davey, there would be no work for a divorced pastor who could not keep his wife, while a widowed single parent with a tragic story might just become a celebrity pastor.

Somewhere in the back of his mind, was that idea of himself just 'stewarding' Amanda for a season. The idea of stewarding was strange in application to his wife - at the least it says that from the beginning he was better able to manage the prospect of marriage by thinking it would not need to be forever. That he had that thought does point to it being a marriage of convenience to him, and he has said as much - he and Gavin married sisters, so that he and his buddy could continue to hang out together.

I think Davey needs people in his life, his Newspring family, now his Resonate family, but that he does not do intimacy well, so Amanda's ordinary expectations of marriage - even that they would eat dinner together, and make time for conversation, were too much for him, and he will always rather be alone, or in a crowd, than deal with the expectation of being his authentic self with a woman.

I don't see him as vampiric, more fallen - a Lucifer type, impressed by his own beauty, full of pride, in rebellion against God, desiring power, and trying to put himself where God should be.

It is so easy to caricaturise Davey though - I shouldn't do it - the reality is that people are very complex.



Anonymous said...

Hey Jude,

DON'T TAKE THE BAIT!

Hey Jude said...

Well. I doubt anyone is only ever a troll.

Anonymous said...

"Somewhere in the back of his mind, was that idea of himself just 'stewarding' Amanda for a season."



Jake aka Jail Baird, who met (for "blown away" 'coffee/breakfast' at the, um, um, 'table') Davey early on in his Indy years, and lost his wife (inconclusive) to death eight days after their child was born.

Davey "had no idea" that three years later he would lose Amanda.

Anonymous said...

You know when Davey was "kinda side stage" lamenting Larry Taylor not having awesome youth experiences, at the Wesleyan 2015 Follow Youth Conference?
(7 weeks after Amanda's death and his trip to Newspring)

Amber was there with him!
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207983625090225&set=a.2591341624581.2145596.1285843155&type=3&theater

Anonymous said...


(cont from above post)


You want to believe Amanda had no desires for someone better than Davey, how the hell could she not have, it doesn't matter how limiting someone's life expriences may have been, a woman will hate if their husband is making rape sodomy jokes about her--NO woman thinks their future husband will do that.

And I was told it was disgusting that I said that a person's husband making sodomy rape jokes about them would cause them to have a strong urge to find a loving sexual connection with another man (whether they act on it or not)? That is true unless the person's spirit has died and they have just give up, because people naturally want to heal and DAvey was doing very sexually/emotionally injurious jokes, statements and I am sure actions towards her. That is mental illness to suggest that? OK. Yeah that's crazy! So off the wall. Yes Amanda would have been repelled by DAvey but she would not ever want to possibly talk to another man or be with another man. Great thinking!!!

Anonymous said...

I will say one final thing. Those sick "jokes" he made about Amanda, his wife, conjuring up incredibly humiliating and violating images of his wife being raped by him anally using butter and also of her "sex toys" being put away in WEston's toys box----That type of severely degrading sexuality is how some gay men talk about their partner(s)...that is normal discourse from dominating gay men in their culture. Apparently they find masochistic males who tolerate it, but a woman would be so deeply repelled, injured, repulsed, and the violation would be so deep and painful yes she would want to be treated in a kind caring way by a healthy heterosexual man to help get rid of the pain.

I will point this out, I think it's disgusting. It's clear he subjected her to what is normal in some sections of the gay community from the dominating male partner--that is the filthy degrading way they speak of sex and they find partners who are deeply troubled masochists. A woman would find it, however, deeply repellant. If that is mental illness for me to point that out, then oh I am so very sorry!!!

I will point it out, because I am a woman, and DAvey's shit he did to his wife is deeply repellant and I know how it would make a woman feel. So I have every right to speak out about it!!!!!!!

Hey Jude said...

Yes, it's sad he met that pastor, and that he also fell in love with Levi Lusko's tragedy, a side-effect of which was that it brought Levi so much success. I think those must have been unfortunate influences, along with Perry, and whatever he witnessed of his mentor's disintegrating marriage. For years he would have observed Perry's public success, and considered he wanted and could have the same, except perhaps it would be better without the hinderance of a too devout wife, spoiling his fun. White Lucretia was probably blamed for driving Perry to drink. - women are usually expected to accept the blame, or at least share it. If it wasn't for Lucretia... One could see it in action in the Josh Duggard saga, where Josh's wife is held responsible for not adequately fulfilling her husband's needs, notwithstanding her pregnancies and three babies.

I think if Davey had met different people and been less ambitious, things might have turned out quite differently, his mind might have been set on a different track, at the least he might have dealt Amanda a fairer hand. The Jake pastor, the Lusko story, served to water the seeds he had already planted when he had the thought of stewarding Amanda for a season before offering her to God as a sacrifice. If he had gone a different path, met other people, things might have turned out so differently, he might have let go of the negative thoughts he was harbouring.

Well, I think he did have an idea, and he looked out people and reading material which helped him to feed and grow that idea. I don't suggest it was knowingly or intentionally, on their part.


Hey Jude said...

Anon - are you are making up what Davey did to Amanda, because that is what you want to believe? So far as I can see, you base all that on a locker-room type comment he made to impress people in the audience. It was crass, and he shouldn't have said it, but that particular comment did not humiliate Amanda because as Davey said, 'it went over her head.' Amanda didn't know what he was talking about, from which one can surmise that as she did not know what he was talking about, she had no experience of it either. You said you were good at comprehension.

I think there was little sexual activity in their marriage, so great is Davey's need to persuade. I'll have a listen to those Q&As again sometime, and the station video, but I doubt they will convince me of your fantasy-fuelled bedroom scenes. Wasn't Davey more interested in pornography than Amanda?

Also, it's strange if you think Amanda didn't and wasn't able to bring out the good in Davey, and that she must have lived in seven years of sexual slavery to a perverted gay madman. She could have overcome her pride and gone home to her parents if things were that bad. Davey's interest is in growing his church, and his hobby seems to have been pornography. Amanda loved God (of which genuine devotion Davey was jealous) - besides her church activities, she liked to keep house, write her journals, and to restore furniture. She also got a dog, despite Davey's reluctance, so he did let her have her way, in some things, and maybe in many. Amanda decorated the house - Davey's style is quite different, so it is likely he let her make the home as she wanted it. He tried to do things round the house, but sometimes Amanda's dad got called to do or finish the job properly - at least Davey tried. It probably was a reasonably satisfactory life for both of them for most of the time, until Weston arrived, financial pressure became too much - Amanda outed Davey for his pornography habit, the humiliation of which might have been pivotal - it was current to the last weeks of Amanda's life, to the Q&A, in which his resentment and rebellion was so apparent - I think those last few weeks were when the sometimes played with stewarding idea was finally taken off hold.

Anonymous said...

"She could have overcome her pride and gone home to her parents if things were that bad."


Doesn't the family always congregate at Mamaw's house? Poppy the evangelist's wife (the one associated with the creepy guy who has been BANNED from operating girl's homes - who STILL owns property being run as a private elementary school...)


Dad would have called an "Infamous" family meeting to discuss everything openly, with Davey included. Cognitive Dissonance would have been the elephant in the room. The meeting would be called quickly with no advance agenda or option for attendees to add issues to the agenda. They would all cry and agree to try harder, pray harder, etc. Amanda would pray and assure everyone that she would be OK. She was strong. Davey would try and fail, Amanda would suffer and pray. Repeat.

Perhaps she was planning her exit (with NO allies), while Davey was planning her exit (with a lifetime of manipulation experience) as well.

Anonymous said...

Blogger Bobcat said...
"She could have overcome her pride and gone home to her parents if things were that bad."




The idea that "things were that bad" comes from the comment section in this blog. It's been repeated and embellished for so long, it is now discussed as truth.

It's what is known as fabrication.

Anonymous said...

Something was definitely bad that led to Amanda being executed in her home.

Anonymous said...

Jude and Anon, can you take your fight off site. It's gets tiring coming to this board to see if there is any progress in the case only to see Jude and Anon with page-long responses towards each other that really have nothing to do with this murder.

Jude, I respect your insight on Amanda's murder and Davey's creepiness but you and Anon are driving people away with the constant banter. You do realize that Anon is completely playing you and you're falling for it. Anon is not the anonymous poster you think they are.

Anonymous said...

Correction:

Something was definitely bad that led to Amanda being executed.

There is enough sensitivity from Amber regarding "in her own home" to question that part as a need to persuade.

Anonymous said...

Anon/bobcat @hey Jude admonishment:

I am not that anon, but who the heck do you think you are???? You do not run this blog, and quite frankly, much of the crap you post is just that---crap.

Back off with your self importance.

Anonymous said...

Bobcat, once again, you're unable to distinguish between posters here. Why would anyone take your analysis seriously when you're obviously so flawed in your conclusions?

I'll ask again, but I doubt you freaks have answers:

So......which is it? Davey killed Amanda because he wanted to get rid of her to slingshot his career...personal ambition? Or....he killed her because she was planning to leave him? There is a subtle difference in those two theories.

Did Davey personally kill Amanda? Or did he arrange her murder with the thugs? If he arranged with the thugs, how were they paid? LE should be able to trace that payment. DB was not rolling in dough at the time.

Or have we now moved on from Davey .... Megs ..... Amber ....... to Jono?

Anonymous said...

Jude, the butter comment didnt go over my head. I didnt know the movie reference either but using simple context clues--they were discussing date night, better have sex before they fall asleep...Davey says "that's alright I 'll being the butter"....I could figure out that at very minimum he was talking about having sex with her while she was unconscious using butter. Her reaction was a disgusted "what?" like she was embarrassed. What husband conjures an image of putting his wife's alleged sex toys away in their sons toy box? How humiliating. What husband sits beside his wife while she squirms looking so disgusted saying how the wife needs to submit sexually to the husband no matter what? Are you so naive to think he treated her respectfully in a non-denigrating, non-violating fashion when they actually sex, like he just suddenly turned respectful?
As I said there are many gay men who speak that way of sex in a sadistic humiliating denigrating way about their partners and others in the gay community who are masochists. It is so disgusting how he spoke of her. Also, why would a husband make a disgusting joke about his godly wife having sex toys (which Im sure she did not)? He just wanted to conjure up an image of her as humiliating as possible and also subtly to convey he is not attracted to her so therefore she is using toys (which Im sure she did not). The guy is f&cking disgusting. It's also just such an unloving humiliating image for him to conjure up. Amanda should have been allowed to ANNUL THE MARRIAGE the very second her husband made a sodomy rape joke a out her. Instead the Catholic Church keeps women trapped in very dangerous marriages which are violent and sexually violating and quite frankly w all of his and Jono's references to disease, disease in body of mother/baby, I wouldn't be surprised if Davey has HIV and was shitting his pants worried that he possibly gave it to Amanda which would also infect the baby and which would be discovered during her pregnancy bc they test EVERY WOMAN for that during pregnancy.

Anonymous said...

Uh.....they aren't Catholic.

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Anonymous said...

Why so much leakage Re: Disease in mother, disease in body of baby. I don't know any expectant fathers or uncles who talk that way about their wife/unborn baby, yet noone here considers the possibility of HIV fears

What about the fact that sometime when someone finds out they have a disease they will overcompensate through bodybuilding ie. Montel Williams when he found out he has MS.

Hey Jude said...

So, you acknowledge the unlikelihood that Amanda owned sex toys, and that Davey was making that up - it was so much locker-room talk to 'impress' the audience, and to shock. If you and I know that Amanda was very unlikely to have had sex toys, then so did the audience, at least some of which knew Amanda.

Yes, I do think Davey probably left Amanda alone for the most part - he was so much talk, so probably no action. He sounded immature, puerile - the jokes probably a diversion from having so little to say. He probably tried to embarrass Amanda to cover his own embarrassment and inexperience. IDK, I need to watch the videos again.

It would be difficult to explain anything too outside of 'normal' in a family meeting - surely Amanda would have complained to her father, and there would have been a meeting if Davey was making unreasonable demands. IDK, though, because of the thing about not discussing marital problems except with the spouse - like some things family meetings don't cover.

Well, if there was a meeting, your expectation for how it would have gone sounds depressingly like it might have gone, but we can't assume there was any meeting.

Phil, told a story of Amanda when a little girl, a boy tried to kiss her, and she went home to Phil, and complained about the boy. He said, either See to it, or sort it out - and so the next time the boy tried to kiss her, Amanda pushed him over. Amanda learned early to stand up for herself, and not to accept unwanted advances.

Amber said Amanda was stubborn, did things her own way.

If there was any abuse she probably would not want it dealt with in the way of a family meeting, which likely would have gone as Bobcat said.

Still, this is to go round in circles, and most of it has already has been discussed several times.

Hey Jude said...

Excuse confusion there in who I am replying to, part Anon, part Bobcat.

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Anonymous said...

Amanda lived by the truth.
This was a problem.



I suspect that Amber is a fabricator.
She is a master of secret codes.

TJ said...

I;m in agreement with the Anonymous poster who asked that the Hey Jude vs. Anon war please stop. The sidebar that has taken over is irrelevant, to say the least, and it is very annoying. I also respect Hey Jude's insights but this thread has turned into a member of the Blackburn family using an Anonymous moniker to try and pick fights with the faithful posters- Bobcat, Hey Jude, Flight, mom2many, etc. Unfortunately, Hey Jude took these stupid attacks personally. This thread has become unreadable.

Hey Jude said...

Sorry, The thread was already a bit random, and probably not many people are reading it by now. I did not notice my posts were becoming warlike - I see now they were, as at least one begins with 'so' - which I see is my way of being a bit challenging of another's opinion. I shall restrain myself forthwith. Well, possibly. :)

Anonymous said...

Hey Jude, It doesnt matter if audience knew it was a joke. That is such a humiliating image for Davey to conjure and "share" with an audience! Nevermind the fact that the idea of "sex toys" does not conjure up the idea of loving sex between a couple...he's trying to paint a picture that is so intrusive unloving and sexually violating. Very humiliating for Amanda. Same with boob grab. Sodomy rape jokes and all the other garbage that comes out of his mouth. If he were my husband I would have ZERO sexual interest in him...his "jokes" about rape, sex toys, I would not let him near me, so I would be surprised if she actually wanted him anywhere near her. I have a high tolerance for what I can deal....jokes about rape or sexual humiliation of me there would be no further intimacy ever, that is one thing I cant get beyond it is deeply repellant ,so as I said I am surprised if she wanted him anywhere near her. Most women would not want any further sexual involvement with a man who made those kinds of comments nevermind publically.

Hey Jude said...

It's not a Blackburn, as the poster appears to hate Davey, which if I find unnecessary. must be much more so of his family. I think it is our resident Anon, who has an aversion to gay men, whilst also allowing some to be her friends. Still, I will be quiet now, unless something comes up, or I can't sleep and might think of something to say.

Hey Jude said...

Sorry, Anon - I'm thinking I am going to be quiet now.

flightfulbird said...

I am still reading here and understand that if we stop posting because of fight-picking anons and barking Fido (hit dogs) reacting to our posts - then they have accomplished exactly what they intended and hoped to do.

It has been said before but bears repeating - nobody is forcing anybody to come to this board and read it. Everybody here is not going to have the same opinion about all of the issues we discuss on this board. It is interesting to note the reactions that occur after various posts - to see which posts bring out the wildness.

Trolls can be hard to ignore but it is imperative that we do so. The focus needs to be on pointing out Davey's conflicting stories, adding to the timeline, noting the discrepancies - watching him continue to spin his web of deceit and waiting for someone who can do something about it to notice.

Keep our eyes on the ball. . .

TJ said...

Someone on Datalounge posted this old news clip from right after the murder. A defense attorney and reporter are recreating the scene. They show the house 2 doors down that was "robbed". Then start walking towards Davey's house and say the house in between Davey's and the house that was robbed was also an attempted break-in? Never heard this before. But if surveillance video shows that the thugs went to the front door of this house and realized it was locked, that would be a definite sign that this was staged. They go to the back door of house #1 to get in. Go to second house's front door but it's locked. They realize that they are looking for an unlocked door and go to the next house, which surprisingly has an unlocked door and a woman with a large insurance policy on her inside.

The report also said that one of the thugs was caught via Facebook. Interesting because there was a Facebook connection to Davey and two of the thugs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzsGa5HjytY

TJ said...

And what about the reports that there was a black SUV seen driving down the street earlier. Davey has a black SUV. "Neighbors said they heard gunshots about 6:45 a.m. and saw an SUV peeling out of the otherwise quiet street. The next day, the getaway car — identified by police as the 2007 Chrysler Sebring — was found a few miles from the Blackburn home." Police have never responded to the dark SUV that was seen. A Chrysler Sebring is a car, not an SUV.

I doubt LE even bothered to check Davey's phone records since he was cleared so early on but they should at least check his phone records and also see if he had a burner phone.

Btw, good post, flight at 12:02 am. I like your commentary and always laugh when I read one of your posts with "spent some time in the word" in it.

Bingo said...

Davey grinding out the justification for Amanda's death as though it was the greatest, most triumphant thing that could have happened! He keeps pushing his agenda. I find it laughable that he had to do the videos in his FNL dry bone church to have an appearance of a crowd. He may think Phil Byars had a dry bone church that required the beating and murder of his bride to bring life inside but at least Phil can get some bones in his church. Davey is so troubled.

"God ALWAYS uses tragedy and he ALWAYS uses pain to advance his kingdom even further and that is what we always felt like even at the VERY beginning happened there was a ripple effect that took place where people were being impacted from the outset byyyy Amanda's death. OUR church began to GROW. We started receiving letters from all over the world by people being impacted by this story and so even in the midst of the the tragedy and the trial and the shock of it all there was this feeling that there was something so much bigger than us going on."

https://www.facebook.com/ResonateIndy/ Have It All song.

flightfulbird said...

Compliments to DataLounge anonymous poster for linking this video with the caption

Mel showing her loyalty. No way this dog sleeps through a murder of Amanda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPtaIWQ9pVw&feature=youtu.be



DataLounge thread #7 link -
https://www.datalounge.com/thread/17752942--smoking-hot-pastor-s-wife-killed-after-failed-robbery-part-7

Bingo said...

This is Crazy Davey marketing the son Refuge and glorifying his wife's assassination. God got to rescue her in the most wonderful way! Lucky Amanda. Davey had to sort through his inability to rescue her. Maybe he should do a campaign on how important it is to keep doors locked. Never once heard him discuss that. It might taint how great it was that she was gloriously rescued by God so Davey could become rich and famous. Notice how he says the desire to rescue, not the desire to rescue Amanda.

Refuge is kind of build upon this feeling that we as a church had AS SOON as everything happened and the feeling that I had AS SOON as everything happened that God lifted us out of the ?? He set our feet on a rock and he is our refuge and he is our hiding place. He is our fortress. He is our strong tower that we can take shelter in. We wanted to make sure it was a feeling too that represented what we believe happened with Amanda. As a husband I felt the desire to rescue and I didn't have the opportunity to rescue and I had to sort through that a lot in my heart and realize that God was there to rescue her to take her out of the snatches of death in that moment and he sheltered her and provided a refuge for her in a way that none of us could.

Bingo said...

CD promotes "Faithful to the End" with more pretty packaging of his wife's brutal murder. I love how he says it was God who brought them to it. He loves to remind everyone that God did allow it to happen. God did bring them to this horrible murder so he could show them he can get them through it. Because Amanda was shot three times, sexually assaulted, teeth knocked out and brutally beaten, God can show his faithfulness. I got a chuckle how he gives Derrick the credit for making up the phrase "faithful you've been, faithful you'll be" . He said Derrick came up this beautiful phraseology that can now be a mantra. Yup, that phrase had never been heard before until Resonate brilliantly made it up. ha!


"You get to this place in grief where you FINALLY recognize that Jesus is the only one who can heal you that there is no one else that can heal you and so when you get to that place there becomes this resolve where you say you know what I may not be fully healed, I might not be fully out of this but I know that God's faithful and I know he is going to carry me to the end. I know that if he brought me here, brought me to it, he's going to see me through it. The phrase we taught our church is the best predictor of God's future faithfulness is his past provision and Derrick took that phrase and did this incredible thing where he condensed it and he said faithful you've been and faithful you'll be. Its a beautiful phraseology that is a mantra where we say ok you've always been faithful to us in the past. We've seen it clearly through all the points of our journey and so because of that we know that you will be faithful moving forward and we believe that even if we don't feel it."

Bingo said...

Flightful, there is no way Mel would not have been all over the thugs. That should be a really big factor in this case. Why was Mel shut up in a room. Did they test Weston or the dog for any drugs in their system? Mel had to have been sedated. My dad had a boxer and he would have attacked anyone that tried to harm him.

Hey Jude said...

I think that is too many words, Davey.

'God is our refuge and our strength, a very present help in trouble.' - so few words, and pre-prepared.

I did not notice much of trouble, rather of lot of hiding behind celebratory slogans, which are not God.

'We have nothing to hide."

'Whatever it takes.'

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'We as a church' - hiding in a crowd.

'God was there to rescue her...in a way none of us could.'

Well, God could not have locked the front door, but Davey could. So simple, and it would have saved Amanda (apparently).

If they believe Davey, they must also believe Davey himself could have prevented Amanda's murder just by locking the front door, yet they allow themselves to be drawn into and made part of the fabrication that God was Davey is a victim. What did he say earlier? - he questioned why God did not protect Amanda. If only God had been more Godlike, sort of thing, none of it would have happened. Maybe he still doesn't get that God did not save Jesus from his cross, either.

'As a husband' he 'felt the desire to rescue and he didn't have the opportunity...'. Well, that's interesting. How could he have 'felt the desire to rescue' if he did not know Amanda needed rescuing? Clumsy wording, perhaps.

What does he mean? Is that a way of saying he felt like he wanted to do CPR, but actually. he had to sit there taking mental snapshots instead, because some things looked out of place, and he had no idea anyone had been in his house... IDK. He ties himself up in such knots with so many contradictions.

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'We wanted to make sure it was a feeling too that represented what we believe happened with Amanda.'

Well, as Christians they believe Amanda is at home with the Lord, however they express that. What is that - 'they wanted to make sure it was a feeling too' - Davey is not about feelings, or emotions, as he so often says. Maybe that's why he has difficulty expressing many that look and sound genuine.








Hey Jude said...

^ That should read - *part of the fabrication that Davey was a victim*^

Also, my post was in response to Bingo's post at 11.51 am

Anonymous said...

In the video at the top of the post, what was the date he filmed himself babbling about how women should submit to (gay) husbands? His justification for it is that, according to him, men are called to do so much more than submit...he says "We (men) are called to die". You people do realize that that is a telegraphing of what he planned to do to Amanda right? That she was called to "submit" to sexual humiliation/assault as well as she would be called to "die". what does SA say about his leakage "CALLED to die". CALLED =PHONE CALL??? phone call in driveway with Kenneth Wagner? Watch that section of the video.

Anonymous said...

Also, something just hit me while watching the video at the top of this thread. When Davey is talking about sex, I realized that he reminds me of the main character in the movie "40 year old Virgin" who tries to join in with his friends when they are talking about sex but it becomes obvious by the way he talks about it that he has never had sex before. I know he is supposedly a father, but every time he mentions sex it doesn't sound realistic, and also when I thought about it, neither he nor Amanda has ever said anything that confirms that they have ever had sex for example, Amanda says something to effect of how on date night they say somethihng to the effect of 'well we'd better have sex now before it's time for bed we'll just fall asleep if we don't do it now"; but that puts it in the hypothetical not as an event that has actually occurred. Anyway, that is what he sounds like is the 40 Year Old Virgin....I wonder if there is some chance that the marriage was mever consummated?
(Wesron could have been conceived through artifical means...fertility type technique?

Anonymous said...

I;m not joking about this either. I know there has been a lot of talk about SSA, but sometimes guys that are still virgins when they are like 30 yrs old will talk that way that Davey does especially about emphasizing if they haven't had sex for a while how they will just be so eager to have it (when they actually have never had it) and that is what I notice in Davey saying when he has been on a business trip he just can't contain himself when he walks in the door. It is so over the top like he is overcompensating for not even knowing what he is talking about. Also, why does DAvey say about mid-way through video regarding sex that "that life has been robbed from him"? There is also leakage that "it is awkward to talk about and he understands bc that life has been robbed from him." Is it possible he has some injury or something that makes having sex impossible for him? Why would he say that that "that life has been robbed from him"?

Anonymous said...

At 12 min in the video, look under his Davey's mouth. (chin area) ..it looks like maybe someone scratched him with a fingernail.

Anonymous said...

At 12 min regarding mark on his face, that was during the time period where they had not caught the thugs yet, so it is very shortly after the attack on Amanda. I've accidentally scratched myself in the face with one of my fingernails while I was sleeping and that is how it looked the way the mark on his face looks. That is how it looks from kinda just clawing your face for a second with a long fingenail.

Anonymous said...

Someone please look at that. Look at 10:50 on: The mark actually begins at the corner of his mouth and goes down, looks like he was scratched by a fingernail starting at corner of his mouth but then the nail really dug in half way down his chin. It looks like he was scratched by a fingernail. Is that a defensive wound?

kimisan03 said...

@Jude,
I'm still reading on here, but it's getting really annoying trying to weed through all the trolls and all the regulars who feed them.
Can we please not go down the road of blaming Jono? When I read that blog, my first thought was, "FINALLY, someone who has kind words about Amanda AND fear about the situation." That was the emotion I've been lacking from DB. He seemed to have genuine love for his sister-in-law.

Hey Jude said...

Davey, in the first of a series named 'Moodswingers', is speaking a lot about his emotions, and of Weston's - he's talking about Moses, and emojis, and Snapchat - about Snapchat a lot. He's going on about people letting their emotions lead them to post on SM things which might distance themselves from their family. He's gone back to 'He raised from the dead' - 'resurrection' is maybe a special word he only uses on Easter Day - well, it might be at least a bit unexpected if he had not.

Anonymous said...

How did he get the scratch on his chin? It is there shortly after Amanda was killed.

Anonymous said...

You people want to prove he did it. Look at the scratch on his chin while perps are still on the loose. It goes from corner of his mouth down. Something scratched his face--looks like a fingernail scratch.

Anonymous said...

There are no red marks/scratches in his face except right after Amanda was killed. Check it out in video above.

Anonymous said...

Was that mark on his face there at the time a few days before Amanda was killed during his gun sermon? I don't think so. How come his face got scratched right around time Amanda was killed?

flightfulbird said...

10:50 to 12:00 in which video, anon, to see the scratch on Davey's face - could you post a link?

We know from the APC that fingernail scrapings were taken from Amanda - apparently two separate forensic exams were done.

Anonymous said...

It's at 10:05 for 2 min in video Peter posted at the top of this thread. I can see it better on a computer screen than my cell phone. On the computer screen I can see that the scratch starts at the corner of his mouth and goes down and then it looks like fingernail dug in leaving the round red mark. If they took scrapings from under her fingernails how would they know if it matched Daveys DNA if they dont have his DNA? But yeah that looks like it's from a fingernail.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous flightfulbird said...

It has been said before but bears repeating - nobody is forcing anybody to come to this board and read it. Everybody here is not going to have the same opinion about all of the issues we discuss on this board. It is interesting to note the reactions that occur after various posts - to see which posts bring out the wildness.






My, how insightful. It would be of great benefit to you if you were to apply these words personally.

Anonymous said...

Bobcat said....

Something was definitely bad that led to Amanda being executed.






Executed by thugs who broke into her (and several others) home?

You see, you are operating on a false theory.....a fabrication, even, that has been presumed for months here in these threads. Instead of wanting to get at the truth, you want to mold events to your theory, which has never been taken seriously by LE.

zingzing said...

Davey was good man supporting wife best way he knew how working in fitness to me healthy
man of God he took Bible verses to his heart to build love for wife.

flightfulbird said...

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/indianapolis-pastor-speaks-pregnant-wifes-slaying-35249202

On Good Morning America, George Stephanopolous asked Davey "Do you have any idea why anyone would want to hurt Amanda ?"

Expected answer pattern from Peter's analysis (not exact words) - "no, but there were guys in our house and I guess she was shot while they were trying to get away"

Instead, we got this stammering answer, as Davey makes dismissive noise while turning his head -

There’s not, there’s …Amanda didn’t have an enemy in the world, um she , I, I can’t, I can’t imagine any reason why um, that’s why this has baffled us as much as, as anybody, and so we are trusting the investigators, they’ve been so (lifts and spreads his hands) good to us thru this whole process, um, tryin’ to keep us up to speed on what they have, and uh, we trust that, that ya know, they are , they are doing the best they can, and they’ve told us they have all the resources at their disposal right now to, um, ta, ta, catch who, who did this.


and then Davey pitifully stammered even more through this when asked "what do you want to tell those people who might know something about this?"

Well, I mean, I , mean, we, we would beg them ta, ta, give any information that they have , uh, we would be extremely grateful for that, ya know, um (chucks his teeth), It..it’s really hard to sort thru all of the emotions of what we’re feelin’, ah, about all this, absolutely we, ya know, eh, eh, eh, we, we, we’re confused, we’re, we don’t understand why, we um, ya know there’s, we’re angry, we’re, we’re, we’re not really sure what to do but, um, well, (smiles ahh) I, I, read Amanda’s journal entry just a few days before…she journaled everyday of her life, and just a few days before she was killed, she put somethin’ in there that just spoke volumes to us that we’re deriving strength from , she said, (hands spread apart in front of him now bobbing up and down) we don’t know what the future holds but we know who holds the future, and that’s Jesus (one hand striking downward for emphasis on the word Jesus) and so..we’re, we’re drawin’ our strength from that an um, and, and, we know that Jesus holds the future and we can’t see it clearly, but she (moving hands downward to emphasize words) sees it clearly now because she’s in heaven with Jesus and we’ll, we’ll see her soon..so..um..we would just..

What would you tell someone who might know something about who killed your wife - and this in bold was Davey's answer to the question - before he launched into justifying Amanda's death because of what she wrote in her journal just a few days before she was killed "we don't know what tomorrow holds but we know who holds the future", and that's Jesus.

Well didn't that journal entry work out nicely - sort of like Amanda allegedly writing in her very last journal entry "thank you for letting me see all of this with my own eyes" - or when she allegedly wrote (talking to Jesus) that "even if the 'what ifs' happen, I know You are the author of my faith and the author of THIS STORY" - or when she allegedly wrote about feeling safe but knowing it's not always going to be this way. . . that's four entries alone that so neatly fit into and support "the story".

We need to start a list of journal entries and see how neatly they fit into and support "the story" - and how they are meant to reinforce or confirm that Amanda was ok with this happening to her if it was part of God's plan.

flightfulbird said...

this in bold was Davey's answer to the question "What do you want to tell anyone who might know something about this?"

Well, I mean, I , mean, we, we would beg them ta, ta, give any information that they have , uh, we would be extremely grateful for that, ya know, um (chucks his teeth)

One sentence answering the question - and then all of this random stuttering and stammering -

"It..it’s really hard to sort thru all of the emotions of what we’re feelin’, ah, about all this, absolutely we, ya know, eh, eh, eh, we, we, we’re confused, we’re, we don’t understand why, we um, ya know there’s, we’re angry, we’re, we’re, we’re not really sure what to do but, um, well, (smiles ahh) I, I, read Amanda’s journal entry just a few days before…she journaled everyday of her life, and just a few days before she was killed, she put somethin’ in there that just spoke volumes to us that we’re deriving strength from , she said, (hands spread apart in front of him now bobbing up and down) we don’t know what the future holds but we know who holds the future, and that’s Jesus (one hand striking downward for emphasis on the word Jesus) and so..we’re, we’re drawin’ our strength from that an um, and, and, we know that Jesus holds the future and we can’t see it clearly, but she (moving hands downward to emphasize words) sees it clearly now because she’s in heaven with Jesus and we’ll, we’ll see her soon..so..um..we would just.."

Bobcat said...

Anon 8:28,

Executed. According to Davey, her execution was ultimately part of a meticulously plotted ploy, a masterpiece.

Some guys tried tuh, (shakes head no) steal some stuff and ultimately ...

EXECUTED

Amanda.

Anonymous said...

Yeah you can tell GEorge Stephonopolus thinks he's full of crap.


Davey is so fake. He can't even be convincing that he's mad at the perpetrators, I'm sure that's because the perpetrator is HIMSELF.

He is so fake in the interview when he's asked if Evie would have had Amanda's dimples.

" I, I, read Amanda’s journal entry just a few days before"

He is stating that he invasively read her journal a few days before she died. He did not read the journal after Amanda died.

Anonymous said...

Davey says "she put something in there (into journal)".

Is it possible that this is leakage that she actually put some type of paper/form/object into the journal to try to hide it and Davey found it while snooping?

ie. divorce papers, phone number, letter or card from someone else?

Anonymous said...

He doesn't say "she wrote something in there"; he says "she put something in there (into journal)".

Then, he says that what she "put in there", he is deriving strength from. I wonder if what she put in there was something she was deriving strength from, like a card or letter from someone else, divorce papers, or a phone number maybe to an abuse hotline or to another guy who wasn't a total jerk.

Abusive men will sometimes "imitate" their partners. My ex sometimes does this to me, where he tries to even copy the way I talk (not in a mocking way, like he just wants to sound like me and use the vocabulary words I use and he also tries to "steal" my emotions; this is something he started doing after he became totally psycho. It's actually incredibly disturbing. But what I wonder is if Davey is trying to "steal" her emotions like if what she "put" in her journal was actually something she was deriving strength from (and linguistically I think it may have been an actual piece of paper, card, or form she put in there) and Davey is now "stealing" that emotion and is saying it is something he is deriving strength from.

Anonymous said...

Because I think that abusive partners who go so far out of their way to put their partner's down, do in one sense look down on their partner but paradoxically they are also very jealous of the partner's qualities, emotions, etc. I think Davey was jealous of her. He was also very jealous of what she put in the journal, he was jealous that noone gave that kind of thing to him whatever it was (card, letter, phone number).

Anonymous said...

she put something in there

Maybe she was in love with someone else, that could cause excessive giddiness.

But regardless, maybe when she was bent over behind the bed she had been looking at a picture, card, or letter and jumped back there to hide it and then crammed it in the journal, hoping Davey would not take the journal from her and look inside it.

Anonymous said...

The journal is so sensitive with DAvey and Amber. Maybe she did actually put something in there that he did not like. I don't know what it was, but even the fact that he tries to justify her death using the journal entries she wrote, I think something major went down regarding the journal and possibly something she put in the journal to try to hide it from him temporarily like she was looking at whatever it was and he walked in and she puts it in there to try to hide it from him but he grabs the journal from her and looks inside of it.

Anonymous said...

Elizabeth Enfield Henderson aka Liz Hendy
...
is the friend who went on the news and shared an imessage that Amanda had sent her, supposedly on Monday Nov. 9th at 5:38 PM.

Does anyone remember what day Liz reached out to the press and showed off her text message?

The only article I can find is this: http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/amanda-blackburns-best-friend-amanda-inspired-me-in-so-many-ways

If the purported text was received on November 9 - by the time Ms. Henderson was interviewed a week later on the 17th, the date would no longer say "Monday" in the imessage window.

Here is a link to a copy of the image:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nko1biuI968/WNRdS2vTvRI/AAAAAAAAA3E/_xXrk2vEaOcFpZvkbzlRDIwWFjhDpx0dgCLcB/s640/text.jpg

Anonymous said...

Who physically shot Amanda? Did Davey pull the trigger? If so, the time frame should be altered, because it doesn't allow for Davey to be the shooter.

Did Davey pay the thugs to kill Amanda? Where did Davey get the bucks for payment? Wouldn't LE notice an exchange of money? It wouldn't be a small, insignificant sum. Has LE accounted for the insurance payout? If there were suspicious expenditures, Davey would be under investigation. Is he?

Bingo said...

Bobcat here are Elizabeth's interviews

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAmMtwvIciY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1JNQV3Hh9U

Bingo said...

I agree with the poster about Jono. Thanks to him we finally get a realistic account of what happened. I am so sick of DB's wrapped in a pretty bow version of her passing and being super happy about it.

Hey Jude said...

Here is a transcript of Liz's interview - it's the longer of one Bingo linked above. There are also these, one is the same one Bingo found, I was going to post them earlier, but saw Bingo's - I transcribed it as it's the longest.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a1JNQV3Hh9U
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IADN-Tkgnh4

These were published on 18th November

In the longer one, which is heavily edited, reporter commentary is interspersed between each statement, and no questions are included - don't know what she was replying to.

'We all have those special friends that really understand your heart.'

'we were sitting in my driveway, talking about life, and - and her new baby on the way'.

'She just had this magnetic personality.'

[Looking at laptop, appears to be reading the next sentence - she could as easily be talking whilst viewing photographs]

'She was convinced she was having a girl - she loved the name Everett.'


'We would go Christmas shopping together, we would look forward to it all year. '

'The first night, um, we visited Amanda in the hospital - I held onto this glimmer of hope - and I thought you know, as I held her hand, I kept expecting that she'd wake up and look at us, and say, 'Hi, guys, I'm okay' .

'When I got in the car that night I just kinda knew that she wasn't there.'

'Amanda would say, 'Liz, stop crying, go on with your life and have fun with your girlfriends.'

'Throughout the last week I've just prayed so much that God would give me peace, and right now I'm praying for answers.'

'She sent me a text, she said, 'Happy Birthday, Liz, I love you so much.'.

[inaudible, a few words] '.... inspired me in so many ways. To not only love God but to live a life with purpose and that's really hard to think about without her.'



Hey Jude said...

I still don't believe family and friends, including Liz, knew about the pregnancy from Amanda, excepting Amber - they knew it from Davey, after the fact, as is supported by Jono's blogpost.

I believe Liz is not telling it quite how it was, and I also think that's gleanable from what she said above. I'd be interested to know if anyone else might find what I think is indicated there, or if I really am just determined to make what they say fit my own narrative.

I might post more later - I would be interested for any analysis of Liz's words. I am willing to accept that I might be wrong, or that I am wrong and that she did know from Amanda herself, that she was pregnant, if that is demonstrated.


Hey Jude said...

I get a bit narked when anyone says we are all twisting things to fit our own narratives, because that would be a rubbish thing to intentionally do. At the same time, it is quite difficult to avoid seeing things in a way which might or do favour one's own bias/opinion, once a bias has formed.

I doubt the people who keep saying that have actually listened to and read ALL or even half of the material upon which anyone here is still posting. Some of us have a fuller picture than others of Davey's words and behaviour, and of the others who knew Amanda.

I am trying to test my own bias, in asking for analysis of what Liz said, transcript above, if anyone would do that.

My question is:

Did Liz know, from Amanda herself, that Amanda was pregnant, hoping for a girl, and had chosen the name Everett?



flightfulbird said...

Bobcat wrote upthread a few days ago -

I'm still pondering this from Amber:
https://vimeo.com/146148634
Amber 18:20

“Probably what’s the most ironic thing about, having a baby sister, like a little sister, um, because you kind of feel like, you have to protect them and, um, like, (18:35 Crying ? But Still Talking) just watch out for them all the time and, it’s just amazing how, um, looking at- it- just in the last probably 10 years of our life um. I look up to her more than, almost anybody in this whole world.”



I just watched the portion of the video from the beginning of this thread which showed the mark that could be a scratch on Davey’s face - it was that WTHR interview where the camera operator kept zooming in on his face later seeming to be looking for tears - and it struck me that Davey and Amber (might) have the same “gift". Start at 10:25 into the video to lead up to Davey also “crying (?) but still talking” (bolded portions) -

she was, she um, it was too early to know the um, the gender. . .but she was sure it was a girl - and uh, I was sure it was a girl. . . um - 'cause I always wanted a ‘lil boy and I wanted a ‘lil girl

and so um, we were gonna name her um, Everette. . . Everette Grace - um, we hadn’t decided on a middle name but I went ahead and decided on a middle name just to um, keep a little piece of Amanda in that and um. And we were gonna call her Evie, so. . . .

and then the interviewer asked “was she going to have the/your dimples?” - I cannot tell if it was "the dimples" or "your dimples" - and Davey looked down and up and around and said in this attempt at a tearful broken voice "I hoped, I hoped. . . yeah. . . I hoped"

Absolutely pitiful - major acting fail. It is so obvious when someone is trying to do this. It is even more obvious almost a year and a half later - this guy was doing this interview literally just DAYS after his wife not only died - but was assaulted and beaten and shot three times.

Someone has commented before that if you mute the sound on any of those videos (GMA, Fox and Friends, Fox News, WTHR) - you'd never know the guy's wife just died a week or so ago and much less in the way she did - that without sound he looked like he was talking about a trip to Disneyland much of the time.

This attempt at tears happened again in the same interview when he was reading Amanda's “last journal entry” which he states was written on the day before she was killed (of course it was) - and got to the part that said "thank you for letting me get to see all of this with my own eyes" and tried to make his voice break and looked at the interviewer for a reaction.


No tears. Desperately trying for emotion and to look broken up and devastated and touched - but not succeeding.

Keith Papini, when talking about his disappeared wife Sherri, was really crying - whether he had anything to do with her disappearance / hoax or not - those were real tears. Amber and Davey remind me of Courteney Cox playing Monica Gellar on Friends when she and Chandler were getting engaged - doing a convincing emotional cry wasn’t happening in that scene for either of them - although they tried.

Like Davey in the WTHR Interview. And his “tears” there did remind me of Amber’s in Bobcat’s video link.

Anonymous said...

We know Amber knew about the pregnancy. After all, that's why she was offered surveillance video, bc of how lovingly she was touching Amanda's pregnant belly.

To solve your case, try thinking outside the box.
Why did the Mom say "Amanda never gave me 5 minutes of trouble her whole life".

Oftentimes, people will gush about the positive qualities of their departed loved one. She was "kind, loving, wanted to help the unfortunate" is an example of how this typically sounds.

Why is the Mom's praise stated in the negative "she never did (something negative--"never have me 5 min of trouble".

Jono says "we had no idea" Amanda was pregnant. (This is unreliable).
Amber says "she broke the news" to Davey about being pregnant.

There was something "troublesome" about this pregnancy to more people than just Davey.
Even Jono linguistically projecting the idea of "disease in body of mother, body of baby"...this is leakage that the whole group of them was not "at ease" (dis-ease) regarding the news of the pregnancy,

Why? It is NOT just Davey that had a problem with it. I don't know why, but they did.

flightfulbird said...

Did Liz know, from Amanda herself, that Amanda was pregnant, hoping for a girl, and had chosen the name Everett?

Tim and I chose not to have children so I am speaking only from what I've read and heard friends and family say.

Many of our friends and Tim's sister and brother chose to have children - more than one child - and they would always wait a certain number of weeks before telling anyone - something about being a certain number of weeks along being a safe zone that things would proceed to full-term.

I understand it was in case something went wrong and they lost the baby - because then they would have to answer all of the questions about how are you feeling and names and stuff from friends who were innocently just making baby-related conversation and didn't know of a miscarriage. And sometimes because they didn't want to hex themselves or whatever - no reveals until they were far enough along that they could know the baby *should be* safe (I guess you never really know until they are crying in the birthing room).

So is it possible that Liz Enfield Henderson was closer to Amanda than any other of her chain of friends, to the point that she would know much sooner than the rest of them - or sooner than Amanda and Davey's family ? I'm not sure but it seems unlikely.

The same thing with the name. The unborn baby needed a name to create the picture, the story. And how perfect to choose the middle name Grace "just to keep a little piece of Amanda in that". A little piece of Amanda. Little pieces of Amanda all over the country (iDavey said that in reference to selling T shirts and wouldn't it be great to see).

He could have said he went ahead and chose the middle name "Grace" to HONOR Amanda, or in Amanda's memory - any reason would sound nicer than "keeping a little piece of Amanda in that" - that creates some images of Amanda's body in pieces.

flightfulbird said...

Anonymous at 5:32am wrote -

Who physically shot Amanda? Did Davey pull the trigger? If so, the time frame should be altered, because it doesn't allow for Davey to be the shooter.

Did Davey pay the thugs to kill Amanda? Where did Davey get the bucks for payment? Wouldn't LE notice an exchange of money? It wouldn't be a small, insignificant sum. Has LE accounted for the insurance payout? If there were suspicious expenditures, Davey would be under investigation. Is he?



This post talking about altering the timeframe because it doesn't allow Davey to be the shooter (because everyone knows Davey was seen on camera at the gym) . . . Davey couldn't have pulled the trigger because the timeline doesn't add up . . . so change the timeframe. . .

This is another confirmation of the possibility/probability that Davey is counting on the gym as his alibi.

And the questions in the second paragraph are all good questions and also are things Davey (if he was involved and wondered if the net was closing on him) would want to know, similar to the list of questions Bobcat posted that were asked by someone many threads ago and she saved it for future reference.

Bingo said...

This is Davey's quote under a picture of him in a tight white t-shirt and skin tight jeans holding Weson's hands. I am sure Megs (the punching bag) took the picture.

daveyblackburn My favorite thing in the world is when he says, "Daddy, hold my hand and come with me!" . . . I want my relationship with the Lord to look like this.

This would pretty much sum up Davey's own relationship with his jeezus. Come with me God, let me direct and orchestrate you as I see fit. Sorry, Davey it doesn't work that way.

Bingo said...

Davey spoke at a young girls retreat and conference this weekend. CREEPY! I would love to see what he said to them. Sit-ups and push-ups done on stage possibly?

Anonymous said...

I found a closeup of Liz Hendy's phone that shows the Monday date as expected. I think she posted the original text image on her facebook during the first week, but then removed it. But then she reshared it on instagram in 2016.

It is odd how she parrots the same phrases that are found in Amber's 11/13/2015 fb blog.

Anyone here with accounting experience? You know how sometimes if you're working with a million numbers and your eyes start getting googly? You need to step away, clear your mind, and then come back?

I need to do that.


Fabrication.

I keep thinking back to Davey's blog "Would she still have said yes?"

http://daveyblackburn.com/posts/would-she-have-still-said-yes

"I thought about the prayer she prayed at our leadership retreat in the old fitness room of a Cincinnati hotel the weekend before she was killed. We were spending some time as a leadership team praying and worshiping, honestly preparing our hearts to listen for the plans Jesus had next for our church.
...
Amanda led out in prayer. In tears she said, “Jesus I’m sorry for the times I make my life about my agenda. I want my agenda for my life to be Your agenda for my life.”
That simple prayer opened the floodgates for prayer after prayer from our team all congruent with this one theme: SURRENDER. Amanda led the way in surrender. Surrender to a greater plan. Surrender to a greater story. Surrender to a greater God than anything she could have ever imagined or fabricated." [bold - my emphasis]



"Surrender to a greater God than anything she could have ever imagined or fabricated."

^^^ That is disturbing as hell. Demonic.

Anonymous said...

The fact needs to be acknowledged that Amanda's pregnancy (for WHATEVER REASON) was problematic to more people than just Davey.

Amber: is offered surveillance video due to how lovingly she was touching Amanda's pregnant belly
Amber: just happens to fly in and stay longer than expected right after Amanda "breaks to news to Davey about preg

Jono: "had no idea" about preg (unreliable)
concerned Amanda may have collapsed due to disease in body of mother/body of baby
Mom: Amanda never gave me 5 min of trouble (Did Mom feel Amanda suddenly had given her "5 min of trouble after being perfect for so long?

One of Ambers friends (was it Meg?) writes about how "Amanda was sure that the new baby was convceived while all 4 were vacationing in a hotel. (This is unusual for someone to know exactly when a baby with their husband was conceived UNLESS the couple, for example, didnt use a condom one specific time so it's likely that that would have been the date of conception BUT usually the date of conception feels like personal you don't just go around telling people! So, to summarize usually married couples do not know the exact date of conception and even if they do think they know, they dont go around telling people. Further, if a friend did confide that info to me, I would not write a story about it!!! Why is the friend so interested in such personal details as the date of conception of her friends baby as well as sharing that info with the world. This inexplicable fascination with the date of conception indicates that there is SOMETHING sensitive about the "conception" (date of conception or other details regarding conception and yes there is the possibility that the sensitivity could revolve around who exactly contributed to the conception. Was it even Davey?

Let me put it this way. If a friend of mine conceived a baby with a man other than her husband and wants to keep that secret, I could see myself saying "oh yeah my friend ----- told me she's pretty sure that new baby was conceived when her and her hubby "went skiing".....normal people do not take interest in the exact date or circumstance of sexual activity which led to a conception of a baby by their friend & their friends husband. I have literally never encountered anyone taking interest in that type of detail about a friend. There is a reason that Amanda's friend took interest in that info about time/place of conception. It is because THE INFO IS SENSITIVE.

WHY???

flightfulbird said...

One of Ambers friends (was it Meg?) writes about how "Amanda was sure that the new baby was convceived while all 4 were vacationing in a hotel.

This was Ashley Barrett, and think it was in her Facebook post about not being as close to Amanda once Amanda was expecting and Ashley and Derek "weren't in the same season" or whatever.

flightfulbird said...

http://daveyblackburn.com/posts/friendship-distance-and-forgiveness

Here is the link - it was on Ashley's Facebook and then Davey used it as a guest blog post - but it was Weston that she said was conceived while all four of them were at the hotel in Chicago -

Soon we both began to feel a new season approaching. We both felt like we were ready to be moms. One weekend, the four of us all went to Chicago for a fun getaway, and Amanda was pretty sure that in the hotel room down the hall, Weston was conceived (don't be weird about it). Earlier, in that same week, Derek and I had decided that it was probably wise that he and I wait. As much as I couldn't wait to be a mom, I knew in my heart that that season wasn't mine just yet.

Anonymous said...

Hey Jude said .....

I doubt the people who keep saying that have actually listened to and read ALL or even half of the material upon which anyone here is still posting. Some of us have a fuller picture than others of Davey's words and behaviour, and of the others who knew Amanda.




Yes, the arrogance of you commenters is quite evident. I suppose you have a fuller picture than LE, right? I don't even have to wait for an answer to that. You do believe that.

Pathetic.

flightfulbird said...

And Fido reappears

flightfulbird said...

Hey Jude, I was thinking when I wrote the post above about Ashley (not Meg) being Amanda's friend who knew about the hotel room conception - that it's sort of sad that I knew and remembered this off the top of my head.

Seriously.

Yet it's quite possible that those of us who have been following this case to this extent might have information that LE might not - they don't have time to wonder why Davey said Amanda was "still breathing" - or that the Lord used the Levi Lusko video "to prepare my heart leading up to Amanda's death", uh, shit - did I just say that in my video to Resonate ? because there's no way I would need to prepare my heart if I didn't know if it was going to happen - let me cover it - "He used it to, uh, comfort my heart in all of this process".

We are reading statements Davey has said and written and are commenting on them. It's not a stretch to think that LE could have been given things to read to draw their own opinions about whether it means anything to the case or not. LE has been given timelines and information - what they have chosen to do with it is up to them. But they do have it.

Anonymous said...

I don't care if Amanda cheated on Davey, or if Davey is HIV+ or Amanda's baby had a chromosomal abnormality.




Amanda was EXECUTED, and Davey had foreknowledge. He has spun the story from the 911 call on, and many have bought into and repeated the spin.

Amanda was EXECUTED, and people are *trying* to cash in on the "greater" "story".

It's absolutely disgusting.

flightfulbird said...

Yeah, teeth punched or kicked out, badly beaten, three gunshot wounds with one of them execution-style to the back of the head so close - this was personal. It was NOT just random burglars, as much as Davey would like for us to think this.

Whoever did this to Amanda was angry, vengeful - if it was just a matter of having her out of his life there are much more quiet, clean, peaceful ways to accomplish it.

Anonymous said...

The ENTIRE story sounds like a promotional campaign, with talking point hashtags and slogans being distributed to the mouthpieces at regular intervals.

Sleazy hucksters.

Anonymous said...

Bobcat said

don't care if Amanda cheated on Davey, or if Davey is HIV+ or Amanda's baby had a chromosomal abnormality.




Amanda was EXECUTED, and Davey had foreknowledge. He has spun the story from the 911 call on, and many have bought into and repeated the spin.

Amanda was EXECUTED, and people are *trying* to cash in on the "greater" "story".

It's absolutely disgusting."

Bobcat, you are missing the point. I don't care either, but others who knew Amanda DID care. I don't believe Davey was the only one with foreknowledge and/or involvement. Some are not just "repeating" his version of the story.

As far as Ashley writing about saying Amanda believed that Weston was conceived in the hotel when all 4 were on vacation, OK, she is talking about Weston, not Evie, but why is she writing about when/where Weston was conceived? Everything I pointed out applies equally to the conception of Weston, couples do not normally know when exactly a child was conceived, but even if they do, they do not normally tell people about it, and as Ashley pointed out, she and Amanda were not close at that time, so why would Amanda have said "Guess what I think Weston was conceived when me and Davey did it in that hotel when all of us stayed there!" I can't stress enough that that is a personal thing, that, if you do know when the baby was conceived you might share it with your best friend, but somewhere down the line if the topic came up. The only time you are going to know exactly when a baby was conceived with your husband is if you normally use protection but did not use it that one specific time. I can tell you that I am not a prudish person, yet I would hesitate to share that information even with my closest friend, because I realize that it is very personal and people do not normally want to hear intimate details about another person's sex life. We are supposed to believe that Amanda eagerly shared this personal detail with someone she was not even close with. And then, on top of it, we are supposed to not question why this individual is so fascinated with the detail that they write about it years later for all to see!!! This needs to be scrutinized. It is NOT the norm.

Re: Amber: surveillance video was offered as a result of her loving reaction to the news of Amber's pregnancy (this is so far-fetched as to be preposterous, and it makes Amber's "positive" reaction to the pregnancy VERY sensitive

Re: Jono: he had "no idea" (unreliable)
he thinks maybe disease in body of mother or body of baby (this is NOT a positive thought regarding the pregnancy) caused the collapse

In short, I have never heard anyone talk about another close friend or family member's pregnancy in the way that these people talk about Amanda's pregnancy. I have difficulty thinking of the exact word to describe it....it's like these people are overly fascinated with the pregnancy (even with the pregnancy of Weston), their interest is invasive, their "happiness" seems feigned and saccharine, their readiness to question whether something is "wrong" with baby or the pregnancy is unexpected; there is an undercurrent from both Amber ("break the news") and Jono ("we had no idea/maybe disease in body of mother/baby") that the pregnancy is a negative or malignanct occurrence.

(cont)

Anonymous said...

cont from above post

It is impossible to ignore this fact at this point. It is impossible to figure out exactly what happened and exactly who was behind what happened without considering this bizarre reaction of those close and not so close to Amanda to this pregnancy with Evie.

Anonymous said...

Ashley wrote:

"Amanda was pretty sure that in the hotel room down the hall, Weston was conceived (don't be weird about it)."

I am going to analyze this statement, bc it needs to be done.

This information first of all is invasive for AShley to be sharing and that is why she write "don't be weird about it". because it is WEIRD she is sharing it!!! She is the weird one!

Amanda was "pretty sure"

--Ashley wants us to know that Amanda was not certain where Weston was conceived, yet chose to share with Ashley, whom she was not close to, a thought she was only "pretty sure" about.

in the hotel room

--this has negative connotations "hotel room" and it is absolutely abnormal to point out not only WHEN your friends baby was conceived but WHERE

--"down the hall"

Ashley does not specify "down the hall" from what or whom, she merely states it is "down the hall" making location ambiguous

She also does not place Davey there in the hotel room linguistically.

"Weston was conceived"

This is passive, and leaves out who the participants in the conception were.

In my opinion, Ashley is perhaps unconsciously painting a picture of possible promiscuity (which I do NOT believe Amanda was promiscuous!!!) Ashley, similar to Davey, conjurs up invasively personal images for the masses to conjur up regarding Amanda's sex life.

The image Ashley conjurs is of Amanda in a hotel room down the hall (she does not say what it is down the hall from) conceiving Weston (this is stated passively "Weston was conceived"--Ashley does not tell us who else was there, who participated in the conception.

Note also the phrase "Amanda was pretty sure"---this phrase is often used when someone is not sure of paternity ie. she is "pretty sure ---- blank is the father" etc.

What may be going on is that Davey in fact was the promiscuous one and his promiscuity took place with some of these women who were supposedly friends of Amanda's. So that would be projection on their part of having invasive interest in Amanda's sex life and subtly painting her as possibly promiscuous.

Also, these women acting as if the pregnancy is "bad news" or in some way malignant is also more typical for someone getting pregnancy out of wedlock. It is bizarre how Amanda's pregnancy is spoke of that way. Again, if Davey is being promiscuous with these other women, then that would be projection--them projecting Davey's promiscuity/badness onto Amanda.

It is my belief at this point that something like that was going on.

Anonymous said...

The other notable thing is that Ashley discusses the conception of Weston in terms of the physical promximity to herself, where she herself was located at the time, which was "down the hall" "in another hotel room." Why?

I'll tell you why. The only logical deduction is that Davey was sleeping with these women. He was telling them stuff like Amanda doesn't fulfill his needs, she hardly ever even sleeps with him, etc etc.

Ashley conjuring up invasive sexual magery of "she was pretty sure" "hotel room", etc--she is projecting her own promiscuity onto Amanda. Period.

Anonymous said...

You people are clueless.

SA takes a hit every time you post your fantasies and stories.

Anonymous said...

From Ashley:

"It felt like we had EVERYTHING in common." (caps Ashley's)

Did they also have Davey in common? Why does she say with caps that they had EVERYTHING in common?

Anonymous said...

"Executed" prompted six anon posts, so far.

Anonymous said...

All attempting to point fingers away from Davey.

Anonymous said...

Screw you. You don't value anything that I say. You might want to actually listen to what I say, because you people miss a lot of obvious shit.

Amanda's friends and family are NOT normal. They take invasive interest in her life including in her journal. Her girlfriends seem jealous of her, and it is for a reason, it is because Davey is leading them on making them think that they are "the one" for him. I would not want friends or family like them. Also very telling is the $1.000 chump change reward for finding the perps they came up with. Absolutely pathetic.

Anonymous said...

NO Davey was involved but others hated her too.

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flightfulbird said...

As far as Ashley writing about saying Amanda believed that Weston was conceived in the hotel when all 4 were on vacation, OK, she is talking about Weston, not Evie, but why is she writing about when/where Weston was conceived? Everything I pointed out applies equally to the conception of Weston

Exactly, anon at 7:08, 7:27, 7:41 - whether the same poster or different - nice posts. My post upthread was to note that it was Ashley and not Meg who wrote about the hotel room activities - with the fact that baby was Weston included as an aside, to be accurate. Anon is right, this is personal - whether it was Weston or Evie - and it is weird - and out of bounds, talking about when it might've happened.

From Ashley:

"It felt like we had EVERYTHING in common." (caps Ashley's)

Did they also have Davey in common? Why does she say with caps that they had EVERYTHING in common?


I am thinking about Ashley's demeanor when Amanda was on the vent that night and she and Derek were interviewed, sitting on their couch smiling and chilled out - talking about what Amanda would want them to do (carry on the mission) - talking about her in the past tense as if she was already gone - with the smiles - creepy smiles . . .

Even if it had been a car accident that killed Amanda (caused her to "pass", I hate that) - I would've thought there would be shock and grief and wet eyes and troubled hearts - not sitting so calmly and moving forward. And this was an EXECUTION - no question. Or maybe at that point they still thought it wast the result of a lightheaded fall and a hit on the head (not).

This is hard to write, but if Ashley and Amanda had Davey in common - and Amanda was out of the picture . . . who gains?

Ashley posted Instagram or Facebook post with Davey laying out in the sun on the beach and Derek under an umbrella - with the caption something like "these two guys couldn't be more different". She posted Instagram (?) of herself and Davey dressed in training clothes saying they were glad they had found a Crossfit box on a beach vacation (with non-athlete Derek also in the picture in regular clothes sitting drinking coffee or something) - again contrasting how much she and Davey have in common compared to she and Derek. And now they all live in the same compound, with Ashley (childless) tending to Weston and around Davey all the time.

It's not too much of a stretch to think a spark of something could've happened between them, or is still happening between them.And Ashley is refinishing furniture and selling it now just like Amanda did.

Anonymous said...

For comparison, I actually found an "expected" comment from someone who KNEW Amanda!

This from a fellow 'repurposer' in the Indy area:

"I'm asking each and every one of you to pray, pray for a miracle, for my friend Amanda Grace Blackburn of Weathered Willow who was the victim of this heinous attack today. I'm absolutely beside myself...this woman is one of the sweetest, kindest and Godliest that I've ever met. Thanks to God for keeping her precious Weston and unborn child safe from this madman. (Amanda is in the middle in this photo.)"
https://www.facebook.com/dianne.colquitt/posts/10203486681606460

Anonymous said...

April 4, 2017

Someone named Holly Wells gave $8900 to Davey's personal givesendgo donation page. The same page that started directing donation to Resonate on 11/12/2015.

But it still accepts donations, specifically $8900 from Holly Wells on April 4.

I wonder what that was for?

https://www.givesendgo.com/GBED

Anonymous said...

Flightful, Thank you for the compliments on my posts.

Ah yes, I remember the video of Ashley grinning diabolically as Amanda lay dying.

Davey is a player. As a player he is going to be hitting on any woman he finds remotely attractive including sisters of his partner.

The pics Ashley posted (thank you for telling me about that) contrasting all that she has in common with Davey as opposed to Derick...why is she doing that? Because Ashley is a frumpy woman of terrible character...she feels attractive and sexy vicariously through proximity with Davey as opposed to frumpy Derrick. Has Davey slept with her? Do I need to answer that? I would guess YES he has. Ashley is a woman who has gotten minimal attention from men, probably a homely boyfriend or two she wasn't really into, one or two one-night stands with frat guys who were to drunk to see. Davey's attention to her, and his "working out" with her has given her a high she has never known...she feels gorgeous and sexy, while Davey is giving her attention that is. Once he goes away, the empty down-trodden feelings return.

As a player, Davey's main ploy will be to turn women against each other (far beyond what is actually necessary to accomplish his goals of sexual access), he needs his women to hate each other, he will do this by exploiting each and every vulnerability, both physical and emotional, often times however they will focus on the physical appearance of these women, my guess is he compares the women's weights with each other too, exagerrating the importance of 5 or 10 lbs, probably told Ashley that Amanda hated her for losing 5 or 10 lbs (which would be a lie but he has fed her information leading her to believe other women are jealous of any weight she has lost or they have gained...Amanda would have been higher on the physical appearance hierarchy, however Davey would have made AShley feel both inferior and superior to Amanda...he would have focused on telling her she was more sexy, more athletic, but he would have made it clear that she was inferior looks-wise, that he prefers blonds and turned her against Amanda by telling her Amanda had said bad stuff about her which he would have invented....Amanda becoming pregnant during their affair, especially after I am sure he told Ashley she was a prude who wouldn't sleep with him, would have enraged Ashley. Ashley has nothing good inside of her to fall back on, DAvey would have sensed that and exploited it also, telling her she was not as Godly, not as domestic, not as motherly as Amanda,,,this would have led Ashley to wish to see Amanda as the useless "whore" she feels herself to be...Davey would have subtly conveyed that sense to Ashley that she is a whore while also feeding her the irresistible message that she is also sexy and attractive while she is with him.

As a narcissist, I am sure he poisoned Amanda's name to everyone around him and her. I am sure he lied to everyone around her about what Amanda felt or said about them.

Sad. It all goes back to Davey and the terrible deeds he has done.

Anonymous said...

Some nice ladies saying unedited, unvarnished things about Amanda:

"She's darling".
November 10, 2015 at 10:14pm

"As sweet and kind as she is darling"
November 10, 2015 at 10:17pm

https://www.facebook.com/dianne.colquitt/posts/10203486688286627?comment_id=10203486704767039&reply_comment_id=10203486711447206&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R3%22%7D

Hey Jude said...

You might have fallen off your trolley there, Anon.

I think Ashley's blogpost was not the best introduction she could have made of herself, neither was her earlier TV appearance - also her photography skills might be a bit lacking

it sounded like her taste in garden furniture might be a bit questionable, too, though, on the positive side, she apparently makes a great pot of chilli - at least she did that time they all got together tor the Christmas tree decorating party at Davey's new house, when they hung the new 'It's a Wonderful Life' bauble Amanda got for the $15 gigantic Christmas tree - which Amber thought was going to be a teeny tiny Charlie Brown tree. I have got over that now, I am right over it - mainly due to lack of understanding.

I think what you wrote is really weird - Davey was supposed to be a perverted gay madman yesterday - today he's chasing all Amanda's girlfriends around and having an affair with Ashley - that's so absurd. Why would you write all that horrible stuff, like as though you just woke up and decided you were going to have a 'Hate Ashley' day, or night, or whatever time it is to you, and make up any **** to,say about her.

---

I am still waiting in hope of analyses of Liz's words in interview of which there are no questions - it does got, got, got to be analyses please, rather than an opinion, though that is interesting, too, and thank you for yours, Flightful. If there is nothing in there, then I will know I am seeing things which are not there. I am sure there is stuff in there which indicates Liz did not know it from Amanda.







Wanderer said...

Thank you for teaching us this program statement analysis.

Anonymous said...

Whatever Hey Jude

You wrote

"I think what you wrote is really weird - Davey was supposed to be a perverted gay madman yesterday - today he's chasing all Amanda's girlfriends around and having an affair with Ashley - that's so absurd. Why would you write all that horrible stuff, like as though you just woke up and decided you were going to have a 'Hate Ashley' day, or night, or whatever time it is to you, and make up any **** to,say about her."

Hey Jude, Davey is bisexual--he prefers women but he likes attention from men mainly because he likes to be admired by all. My conclusion that he is mainly hetero came from watching the video Peter posted atop this thread--his body language on stage is designed to attract women...he's trying to imitate black guy body language to the best of his ability...it was hard for me to tell if he is straight or guy...he dresses gay now but his body language is hetero...

My analyses comes from further information I have gotten from reading Jono's posts which i analyzed quite a bit and just the fact that it is clear that Davey maligned Amanda to all around them, the sensitivity of the pregnancy, the leakage from Ashley, the clear sexual jealousy fromm Ashley towards Davey and Amanda's relationship and Ashley's vicious view of Amanda coated with deceptive saccharine words barely disguising a thinly veiled seething bitter hatred for Amanda.

Anonymous said...

Ashley's hatred for Amanda in her blog post is both palpable and unsettling.

Anonymous said...

Hey Jude,

Keep in mind, that narcissist can be both. He is quite flexible (no pun intended) and can be both sadistic gay madman as well as a deceitful and calculating player of women, driving wedges between even the most precious of friendships such as Ashley and Amanda possessed before Davey worked his charms on Ashley. What was once a precious bond turned to bitter rivalry from the essentially heartless Ashley towards the kind and loving Amanda. Davey exploited a deep void in Ashley which was the desire to be glamorous and sexy, to be a movie star, to walk into a room and have all heads turn, to look in a mirror and to be spellbound by her own gorgeous reflection. Davey gives her this delicious illusion of herself like a drug she cannot put down. Davey has poisoned Amanda's name to all who knew her. He is a coward who wears many disguises. Keep that in mind as we work to solve the case.

Anonymous said...

The wording on the $1000 reward is interesting.

"According to Detective Thomas Lehn on 11/10/2015, Amanda Blackburn was killed in her home at 2812 Sunnyfield Court."

There are seven words that 'weaken' Amanda being killed in her home. "According" to Detective Lehn allows for alternate possibilities 'according' to others. 'According to' is similar to saying 'He believes'; which is to say others may believe differently.

The small dollar amount is almost a clue in itself. They are not looking for information regarding Amanda being killed in her home because ... that's not what happened?

Oh what a tangled web.

Anonymous said...

What happened to the Chevy Cruze?

Anonymous said...

Updates for May included:

http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/09/timeline-of-events-surrounding.html


HJ,

One thing Liz said that you didn't get in your transcript:
"12 hours before Amanda’s accident she sent me a text and she said “Happy Birthday Liz. I love you so much."


Why would Liz be calling it an "accident" 8 days later?

I think there was heavy pressure from Davey/Newspring that everyone knew he would control the story. Shot/murdered/attacked etc. was not approved language. Approved language was "she went to be with Jesus" or "went to heaven".

Sirensong said...

The police don't know anything about Davey, they cleared him what, the same day? That means no looking at money trails, friends, statements. He's laughing all the way to the bank, while they are looking only at black guys that were on video. Once they learned one of them allegedly raped and murdered before, that was that. It was never even thought by the police that this white preacher had anything to do with his wife's murder by hiring them to do it. I'm sure to them it's absurd and they will never look any further. I agree that Dereck, Ashley and Meg are so far up CD's butt, that they would protect him even if they thought or knew he was guilty in any way. I still keep thinking, what congregation? I only see a hand full of teens in his audience and I can't imagine their parents listening to that every week. Something is terribly wrong with the people in Davey's circle. He's raised so many red flags, how can not one of his members and peers see it.

Anonymous said...

Simple.

He has not raised "red flags" for murder. He has raised red flags for being a narcissistic, bad husband. That doesn't necessarily mean he murdered his wife.

BTW, do you think Davey pulled the trigger on Amanda?

Or, as is another oft-repeated theory here, did he hits it done?

Anonymous said...

*hire

Statement Analysis Blog said...

Anonymous said...
Simple.

He has not raised "red flags" for murder. He has raised red flags for being a narcissistic, bad husband. That doesn't necessarily mean he murdered his wife.

BTW, do you think Davey pulled the trigger on Amanda?

Or, as is another oft-repeated theory here, did he hits it done?
May 2, 2017 at 5:08 AM


No, you miss the point.

Statement Analysis: His language indicates deception. In context, it is WHILE his wife is murdered. Yet, we must be open for SSA and relief of being out of this marriage. He is narcissistic, true, but that is not what indicates deception.

Behavioral Analysis is very strongly associated with guilty knowledge of the murder. This is why detectives and analysts say,

"no one gets this lucky."

Statistically, when a pregnant woman is murdered, the father of the baby is connected.

The low level gang hit this house and killed her.

Did Davey know about it and stay on the driveway just to be done with the "sacrifice so the church could live"?

1. He had motive
2. He talked openly about motive
3. His post murder behavior showed no fear of the killers
4. His post murder behavior showed exploitation and he struggled to conceal his glee.

This is someone who is very intelligent and very manipulative.

If years from now, we learn of a connection between a high gang member and someone connected to Davey, I will not be surprised.

This is a very manipulative and self centered person.

Anonymous, since you know he wasn't involved, who are you trying to convince by posting anonymously when you know most of the people here think he is connected?

What do you get out of posting?

What do you think you accomplish by ridicule?

The police say he didn't do it. Why not just leave it there?

It is fascinating to read condemnation of obsession by those obsessing.


Peter

Statement Analysis Blog said...

Anonymous said...
Ashley's hatred for Amanda in her blog post is both palpable and unsettling.
May 2, 2017 at 1:56 AM



Who is Ashley?

Do you have a link to the blog post where hatred is palpable and unsettling?

I'd like to look at it.

Peter

TJ said...

Bobcat, Davey didn't wait until Nov 12th for the cash grab you posted upthread. If you go to the "updates" tab on the page you linked, he actually put that link live on Nov. 11 at 5:20pm and then added something on Nov. 11 at 10:46pm. She was still alive at the time of this site being set up. And so much for the story that they were all glued to Amanda's bedside, praying and singing worship songs all night. Someone had the time to create this page and the gofundme page and make changes while Amanda was taking her last breaths.

TJ said...

Peter, Ashley is married to Derek, who is Davey's right-hand man, and both work for Resonate and have lived with Davey since Amanda was murdered. Ashley was supposed to be like a sister to Amanda but wrote the blog linked below, where she basically says she was bitter that Amanda got pregnant before her and started distancing herself from Amanda after Amanda got pregnant wit Weston.

http://daveyblackburn.com/posts/friendship-distance-and-forgiveness

Bingo said...

From Davey's Blog:
"You see, Weston, that’s what I experienced with your mom. We were married for seven years. Seven perfect years. Did we have our arguments, spats, frustrations, and annoyances with one another? Of course. Every married couple does. But early on someone spoke into us that each year our marriage could get better and better, and let me tell you something . . . it did. The last year of marriage with her was one of the most glorious years of my life."

Perfect and Glorious. Hmmm?? Sounds like Scott Peterson.

Davey knows his marriage was anything but perfect and glorious or he wouldn't be able to coldly say, "Sure, Amanda was killed, but through that a new vigor for seeing lost people find new life in Christ, a new passion for restoring hope to the hopeless, and a new tenacity for helping people break the strongholds that restrain them has been birthed within me.

Peter, there has been so much "justification" in Davey's language for Amanda's death. Would you ever consider doing an SA on justification language in a blog. Just in the last few months, Davey has been pushing the reason Amanda died more than ever.

flightfulbird said...

http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2015/07/honestly-in-statement-analysis.html

When you hear "honestly", it may be:

a. The person has been less than honest or "forthcoming" prior to this;
b. The person is being honest at this point, wanting to be believed;
c. The person is now deceptive, calling up a strengthening word to buttress the weakness of deception;
d. The person has an association with deception
e. The person has a professional association with deception, such as professionals (Try asking a HR professional personal informant about a fellow employee and you'll hear this word because the professional withholds personal information from others routinely)
f. The person has an association with social deception
g. The person is a criminal
h. The person is a sales person who routinely is deceptive
i. etc
j. etc
k. etc

The many variables all require due diligence and not a rush to judgement in deception indication.


-continued next post-

flightfulbird said...

-continued from previous post-

From the above-linked blog post -Ashley's words

While my bond with Amanda didn't weaken, I naturally felt myself aligning my schedule and conversations with women who were still in the same season as me. Honestly, while all I wanted to do was talk about and know all of the details of Amanda's pregnancy, there was a little bit of relief in my heart when I could just chat with other girls about our dog-babies and non-mom life. Please hear my heart, it was not jealousy or bitterness that I was feeling at the time, but a relentless longing in my heart that could not yet be fulfilled.

The use of "Honestly" at the beginning of the statement "all I wanted to do was talk about and know all of the details of Amanda's pregnancy"

and

"Please hear my heart" at the beginning of the statement "it was not jealousy or bitterness that I was feeling at the time"

Is this need to persuade that these are true words and feelings ?



I imagine (understandably) that Ashley would've rather talked about and known almost anything else than all of the little details of Amanda's pregnancy - and done anything else to not have to talk about it.

So it's interesting that she writes "all I wanted to do was talk about . . ." - because that is stronger statement than just '"all I wanted to talk about".

It would already be an extreme stretch for Ashley to say that all of the details of Amanda's pregnancy were what she wanted to talk about, especially because she was feeling bummed that it wasn't time for her and Derek to become parents yet.

To go a step further and say "all I wanted TO DO was talk about all of the details" - saying this was all she honestly wanted to do -talk about and know about what was going on with Amanda's pregnancy - as opposed to going for a run or the gym - or laying out in the sun or grabbing a pumpkin spice latte at Starbucks or shopping - that's even more strong (and unconvincing as well).

Ashley needed to convince someone in this blog post that

(1) not only did she (honestly) WANT to talk about and know all of these little details about Amanda's pregnancy

(2) but that it's all she wanted to do.

I can think of ten things I'd rather do today than talk - about anything.


And like Davey, Ashley also likes dates - October 10, 2015 - one month to the day before Amanda was murdered ("just one month before Amanda went to be with Jesus")- was their lunch where they sat down and aired their feelings.

And when she says "looking back now and knowing what would transpire" - I think it was Bobcat that noted this months ago - did she know or have any idea then what "would transpire" one month to the day from that lunch?

It would be so interesting to see a analysis of this whole blog post by Peter !

link to video of the peaceful interview with Ashley and Derek while Amanda was on a vent -
http://fox59.com/2015/11/12/a-role-model-for-everyday-life-church-family-remembers-pastors-wife-shot-in-home-invasion/

flightfulbird said...

Peter, there has been so much "justification" in Davey's language for Amanda's death. Would you ever consider doing an SA on justification language in a blog. Just in the last few months, Davey has been pushing the reason Amanda died more than ever.

Yes please !

Anonymous said...

https://twitter.com/mrsabarrett?lang=en

https://www.instagram.com/p/BQvDV3xDaPB1zkC3ZFJMMZ-DQG0RXHZ8Xp951Y0/ - Ashley on maternity pillow with Weston snuggled up beside her.

Did anyone here know that Ashley and Derek are expecting a baby (girl, apparently?)

Anonymous said...

I agree--I wish Peter would analyze Ashley's blog post

Statement Analysis Blog said...

flightfulbird said...
Peter, there has been so much "justification" in Davey's language for Amanda's death. Would you ever consider doing an SA on justification language in a blog. Just in the last few months, Davey has been pushing the reason Amanda died more than ever.



It is part of formal training.

Amanda wasn't murdered, she died so that the church could live. This is his language and it goes well beyond justification. It is his "marching orders."

as to analyzing the other person's post: we have to know what we are looking for.

Are we looking for this person's opinion on the case? Her disposition towards the victim? Etc. If so, how would this impact the case?

We need a focus for analysis; to know what we are looking for.



Peter

Hey Jude said...

Anon - why do you blame Davey and make it his fault that Ashley was jealous? Ashley wanted a baby, Amanda was pregnant. Ashley has her own mind - she can be jealous on her own account.

Ashley has nothing good inside of her to fall back on, DAvey would have sensed that and exploited it also, telling her she was not as Godly, not as domestic, not as motherly as Amanda,,,this would have led Ashley to wish to see Amanda as the useless "whore" she feels herself to be...Davey would have subtly conveyed that sense to Ashley that she is a whore while also feeding her the irresistible message that she is also sexy and attractive while she is with him.'


'The pics Ashley posted (thank you for telling me about that) contrasting all that she has in common with Davey as opposed to Derick...why is she doing that? Because Ashley is a frumpy woman of terrible character...she feels attractive and sexy vicariously through proximity with Davey as opposed to frumpy Derrick. Has Davey slept with her? Do I need to answer that? I would guess YES he has. Ashley is a woman who has gotten minimal attention from men, probably a homely boyfriend or two she wasn't really into, one or two one-night stands with frat guys who were to drunk to see. Davey's attention to her, and his "working out" with her has given her a high she has never known...she feels gorgeous and sexy, while Davey is giving her attention that is. Once he goes away, the empty down-trodden feelings return.'

'What was once a precious bond turned to bitter rivalry from the essentially heartless Ashley towards the kind and loving Amanda. Davey exploited a deep void in Ashley which was the desire to be glamorous and sexy, to be a movie star, to walk into a room and have all heads turn, to look in a mirror and to be spellbound by her own gorgeous reflection. Davey gives her this delicious illusion of herself like a drug she cannot put down.'

What is your justification for saying any of that? Wherein lie the statements, or any other material, upon which you base your extreme vilification of Ashley's character; where are the statements which show Davey's very specific manipulations of her? Ashley doesn't show herself to have the best character, and she was not a good friend to Amanda, but from where are you getting all the rest? As It is without any basis - at least you have not shared any material from them to support the claims - it comes across as if you decided to hate on Ashley for reasons known only to yourself.

Ashley has nothing good inside of her to fall back on....

How can you say that?

mom2many said...

"We were married for seven years. Seven perfect years."

Perfect
Meaning absolute; complete.
The Meaning of Perfect
The word "perfect," in the Bible, can and does mean "complete" or "finished."
http://www.centervilleroad.com/articles/perfect.html

Seven
What were the seven last words of Jesus Christ on the cross and what do they mean?
(1) “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
(2) “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing”
(3) “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise"
(4) “Father, into Your hands I commit my spirit”
(5) “Dear Woman, here is your son!” and “Here is your mother!"
(6) “I am thirsty”
(7) “It is finished!”
https://www.gotquestions.org/seven-sayings-Christ.html

Seven is one of the greatest power numbers in Judaism, representing Creation, good fortune, and blessing. A Hebrew word for luck, gad, equals seven in gematria. Another Hebrew word for luck, mazal, equals 77.

The Bible is replete with things grouped in sevens. Besides the Creation and the exalted status of the Sabbath, the seventh day, there are seven laws of Noah and seven Patriarchs and Matriarchs. Several Jewish holidays are seven days long, and priestly ordination takes seven days. The Land of Israel was allowed to lie fallow one year in seven. The menorah in the Temple has seven branches. The prophet Zechariah describes a strange celestial stone with seven eyes (Chapter 4).

This emphasis on seven continues post-biblically with seven wedding blessings, seven circuits performed about a groom, and seven days of mourning after the death of a close relative.

Events, prayers,and esoteric observances that involve multiples of seven are also common. Entities both natural (gold) and supernatural (angels) are often grouped by sevens (I Enoch 20; II Enoch 19). Seven is a factor in many occult elements and events.

The first verse of the Torah consists of seven words and seven is the recurrent number in Pharaoh’s divinatory dreams in Genesis. The walls of Jericho fall after the Israelites encircle it seven times. In the Zohar, the seven lower sefirot are those aspects of God that are present in asiyah, our world of action. Seven is also the preferred number in spells, magic squares, amulets, and the like (Genesis 7:2; I Kings 18:43; Deuteronomy 16:9; Pesahim 54a; Sotah 10b).
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/judaism-numbers/

Anonymous said...

Blogger Peter Hyatt said...


Statistically, when a pregnant woman is murdered, the father of the baby is connected.

Yes, I'm aware of that. I will quote statistics:

"ABC News claim that about 20 percent of women who die during pregnancy are victims of murder.[9] However, according to the CDC "The pregnancy-associated homicide ratio was 1.7 per 100,000 live births".[10] In other words, the chances of a pregnant woman being murdered was around 0.0017%.[11] "




The low level gang hit this house and killed her.

Did Davey know about it and stay on the driveway

just to be done with the "sacrifice so the church could live"?




Does this mean he colluded with this low level gang to murder his wife? If so, what did they get out of it? Would they do it without compensation, simply because Davey told them to? Or did Davey work with a higher level gang member? If that is true, surely the gang leader would not just be doing Davey a favor out of the goodness of his heart. If some form of payment had been made by Davey, how difficult would this be for LE to discover that?



Exactly what do you mean as far as his level of involvement when you say "guilty knowledge"? Where would he acquire this knowledge?






Anonymous, since you know he wasn't involved, who are you trying to convince by posting anonymously when you know most of the people here think he is connected?



I don't know that, but NONE of the comments here are a convincing argument for his guilt. He's assumed here by commenters to be a murderer with various outlandish theories and scenarios created by people who like to write stories, then discuss them as if they are true and accurate depictions.


I point out these things.


I post anonymously, as do a number of people here, including bobcat when the mood suits her, but I've never hidden who I am, and most people here know who that is, including you.




What do you get out of posting?


I get out of posting here what everyone else does....discussing this murder, faintly hoping to discover someone has valid evidence.



What do you think you accomplish by ridicule?


I could ask the question in reverse. I've been ridiculed, name-called, and sworn at because of my opinion .... from the beginning. Now, I'm ridiculed, name-called, and sworn at because I ridicule and name call while questioning the reasonableness of comments, although I try to curb the swearing.



The police say he didn't do it. Why not just leave it there?



Yes. Do you think LE has shown incompetence? Do you think Amber was involved, as one of the various theories is discussed with regularity here, and the police are being hoodwinked?


Why? I think it's called discussion. Not everyone is on the same page in a discussion.




It is fascinating to read condemnation of obsession by those obsessing.


I'm obsessing because I point out the absolute folly of the more outrageous stories published here? I'm not sure I categorize commenters as obsessive, although I may have. (Do you find them obsessive?) for me, it's more about the outrageous and impossible theories.


When I first began to read this blog, I found the concept of SA fascinating, and I still believe your analyses are revealing. Initially, the comments contained intelligent commenter discussion, but as it has gradually deteriorated into ridiculous conjectures too numerous to list (although I can do that if you're interested), the more mentally stable and intelligent commenters have moved on.


I've asked a few times if these theories allow for Davey pulling the trigger. I've asked if he hired the hit. There are problems with either of those oft-repeated theories. You're smart enough to recognize what those problems are.


BTW, when you say it is "fascinating," are you being genuine? Deceptive?

Me2l









Peter

May 2, 2017 at 7:34 AM

Anonymous said...

Hey Jude, You asked how do I know Ashley is not a good person. Well, let's see. She has a husband and could have had her own baby, but instead she becomes jealous of Amanda's pregnancy with Weston. As Amanda lay dying, Ashley is on a news interview grinning.

Is any of this raising red flags that she may not be a good person?

Well, if you need more proof, consider the fact that she now lives with Amanda's husband (and also Derick lives there too--this is quite natural because Ashley is greedy so she wants both--the committed husband who's not going anymore as well as glamorous Davey). Consider the fact she is now working out with Amanda's husband as well as raising Amanda's child who she was so jealous of only a few short years ago.
Read her blog post. If a friend wrote that stuff about me, I'd be scared, and I am alive, Amanda was not alive while that blog post was written about her.

You're asking me to site specific manipulations of Davey towards Ashley?

The woman who was so jealous of his wife as well as his wife's pregnancy now LIVES WITH HIM and raises Amanda's child, Amanda having been brutally murdered. This did not happen randomnly with no input or manipulations from Davey. Davey is a somatic narcissist, and my description of his behavior with women is how somatic narcissists operate. Yes, he also enjoys attention from men and I'm sure is attracted to them, but he is also manipulating women. Ashley is basking in the attention that Davey gives her as well as his proximity to her and enjoys posting photos of Davey contrasting his good looks and physique with her plain, unkempt husband. I know very well how men like Davey operate and how they turn women against each other, and the way in which they always go well beyond what is necessary to attain sexual access...they do this I think just to get that extra little bit of high that oh they are so wonderful, now these women hate each other! I also think a lot of player men, despite their seeming love for women, have underlying homo urges and sometimes it is probably an unconscious compensation...if they can manipulate tons of women and get the women hooked on them, then they must not be gay.
As far as Davey speaking badly about Amanda, of course he did. He spoke of her horribly IN PUBLIC as well as in sexually degrading and humiliating ways.
Hopefully this answers your question.

ps. One other observation. The way Ashley insinuates that all Amanda talked about was every little detail of her pregnancy, I doubt that, because Amanda does not seem like the self-centered type who would go on and on about herself. I think what happened was that Ashley did not want to hear one damn thing about the pregnancy and Amanda dared speak of it. It really shows the degree of jealousy and resentment Ashley felt towards Amanda.

Bingo said...

MOM2Many, I found the seven perfect years alarming as well. Thanks for that extremely insightful post. Seven, perfect glorious years and then Davey presented her to Jesus, personally according to his words. Creepy

flightfulbird said...

I've asked a few times if these theories allow for Davey pulling the trigger. I've asked if he hired the hit.

Asked and not answered, yet - similar to these questions. It's frustrating isn't it, to ask and not get answers? Maybe this time we can get some insight on this.

I've asked far more than a few times why Davey would -

(1) say and keep saying that he had no idea anyone had been in his house

(2) say and keep saying that his honest first thought was that Amanda had a miscarriage, that they just lost the baby right here


when everything we've been told and read about the scene that morning indicates there's no way he or anyone else could've honestly thought either of those things


(1) obviously someone else had been in the house besides Amanda, Weston and Mel - with duct tape on the floor, furniture turned over indicating evidence of a struggle, and everything that was scattered about - the Swisher Sweet package on the counter that Davey said should not be in their residence (how the hell does he think it got there then - if nobody had been in his house) - and Amanda in the condition she was in.

(2) miscarriages do not cause massive bleeding from the back of the head, bleeding from the upper back and left arm. Nor do they cause upper (from Jono's blog post) and lower (from the Affidavit for Probable Cause) teeth to be knocked out. Nor do they cause shirts to be pulled off and underwear removed. Nor do they cause. . . you get the picture.

LE got the picture too. IFD Engine 12 had to call for IMPD after they got to the residence - don't you think IMPD wondered when they got there why they weren't rolled at the same time, with the scene as it was? Could it be because the scene wasn't completely described to 911 dispatcher?



Yeah I'll write it one more time (at least one more time, because this isn't going away) - I think the story had to evolve to fit what Davey said and did not say in the 911 call - and now it is backfiring massively.


- He reported Amanda to be injured and unconscious, whether in those exact words or not (words from the APC). He did not report a burglary or home invasion, otherwise IMPD would've rolled along with IFD Engine 12 - because we know from the APC that IMPD responded to the reported burglaries at the residences of Jacola (Isawake, heh) Searsbrook and Alison Becker.

- Saying he had no idea anyone had been in his house and that he thought it was a miscarriage or a lightheaded fall (which is it, for he has said to different people that he thought it was one or the other of these) would cover why he did not report a home invasion

- And if the 911 dispatcher got a call from a guy who just came home from the gym and found his wife on the floor (injured and unconscious) but nothing else like a home invasion was mentioned - or the extent of her injuries - or all of the stuff scattered around her - then the 911 dispatcher would have no reason to think there was a need to dispatch any equipment but medical / IFD Engine 12.

Statement from Marion County Prosecutor's Office re 911 call -

https://twitter.com/watchkeep/status/774061176770600961/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwatchkeep.blogspot.com%2F2017%2F02%2Fa-serendipitous-murder.html



The timeline of events surrounding the homicide of Amanda Blackburn blog -
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/09/timeline-of-events-surrounding.html

The I had no idea - Davey's ever evolving story blog -
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/06/11102015-i-had-no-idea-daveys-evolving.html

Hey Jude said...

It's strange, as Ashley was apparently so jealous about the baby, and adored him so much, yet about all she says about Weston after he was born was she that he 'tagged along' with them. She makes him sound like a nuisance friend, or a stray dog - and as if a baby could 'tag along' of his own accord.

Ashley says she and Amanda spent a 'tooooon' of time together - ,what is a toooooon of time? If it is a ton, one cannot spend a ton of time any more than an ounce of time with anyone - time is not quantifiable by weight. I find it a bit iffy when something which can't really be weighed is called a ton, or tons. Probably Ashley does too, as she messed with the word - you can't spend a ton of time - -a little, some or a lot of time, even a specific amount of time, but a ton leaves me thinking, 'Nah, I don't think so.' Ashley avoids writing 'ton' because it does not ring true, look or sound right - that would be because it was not true. So they spent some time, but it was less than Ashley would like people to think.

flightfulbird said...

ps. One other observation. The way Ashley insinuates that all Amanda talked about was every little detail of her pregnancy, I doubt that, because Amanda does not seem like the self-centered type who would go on and on about herself. I think what happened was that Ashley did not want to hear one damn thing about the pregnancy and Amanda dared speak of it. It really shows the degree of jealousy and resentment Ashley felt towards Amanda.

So true. All of it.

And this

The woman who was so jealous of his wife as well as his wife's pregnancy now LIVES WITH HIM and raises Amanda's child, Amanda having been brutally murdered.

Maybe this is why Ashley looked so peaceful (or gleeful?) during that tv interview, saying (Derek too) what Amanda "would have wanted" and that the church "was their family" and how Amanda "was" always this or that.

This was while Amanda was still alive! - in major trouble obviously, but isn't this far too early to be talking about someone in past tense unless you had already had time to wrap your mind around it - foreknowledge.

Maybe too many movies for me, but when police are called to a homicide and the grieving individual says to them almost as soon as they walk in, really early on - "he (or she) was whole life" or whatever, it flags them to think maybe the decedent was gone already in the person's mind?

Was Amanda gone already in Ashley and Derek's minds? They had prepared for the upcoming season of pain. Ashley quoted that Amanda had prayed that she didn't want her agenda for her life to be her own agenda, that she wanted it to be God's agenda (same words as Davey used).

Upthread, speculation that maybe there was something between Ashley and Davey on that trip to Chicago, with Ashley needing to stress where she was (down the hall) in relation to the room where Weston "had been conceived". And now she's living in the mansion/compound, cooking and cleaning for Davey, feeding and snuggling with Weston. . .


Peter wrote -

as to analyzing the other person's post: we have to know what we are looking for.

Are we looking for this person's opinion on the case? Her disposition towards the victim? Etc. If so, how would this impact the case?

We need a focus for analysis; to know what we are looking for.


I'm looking for disposition toward the victim, foreknowledge that something might or was going to happen to Amanda, motive, anything to be gained by this individual if Amanda was no longer in the picture.

Link to "How is Weston Doing" blog post - describing the new living arrangement (and defending it)
http://daveyblackburn.com/posts/how-is-weston-doing

Ashley
My worship leader, Derek, and his wife, Ashley, live with me now. People have their own opinions about this living situation, but frankly I don’t care about anyone else’s opinion. They don’t have to live this thing out 24/7 like I do. I’ve learned to be very leery of taking advice from people who either (1) have never lived through the situation, or (2) don’t have to live out out the advice with you.

Both Derek and Ashley have helped tremendously in carrying the weight of household responsibilities. They have helped me make our home a haven for Weston. Ashley was Amanda’s very best friend. Her love for Weston and her involvement in his everyday life is something that would make Amanda beam with joy! She does all the cooking for us, she helps keep the house clean, she helps get him to and from places, and she spends time with Weston as if he’s her own. I love seeing this. As affectionate as I am with Weston, it is still so important for him to have consistent female/motherly affection in his life.










Hey Jude said...

No, Anon - I want to know how you can say that, in terms of what statements or other material from Ashley or Davey you are specifically drawing upon in order to be able to make all those claims.

Hey Jude said...

To posit a theory - the lunch was an alibi lunch - although Ashley was not Amanda's friend in any true sense of the word, we all must know that Ashley and Amanda had made up, and were the best of friends In the days leading up to Amanda's execution. Final touches, last minute preparations for 'the season of pain', which they all had been building up to, yet which only Amanda, as it turned out - at least by all of their post-murder reactions - was destined to endure.

I expect that is just too cynical, but it has crossed my mind.

Anonymous said...

"If a friend wrote that stuff about me, I'd be scared, and I am alive, Amanda was not alive while that blog post was written about her.
The woman who was so jealous of his wife as well as his wife's pregnancy now LIVES WITH HIM and raises Amanda's child, Amanda having been brutally murdered.

This did not happen randomnly with no input or manipulations from Davey."




There are TWO women, former friends of Amanda living in the house. Is the circle closing in? Is the main blog writer (they ALL have the same style) pointing fingers?

Anonymous said...

I only have a second, will write & read more later, started reading from bottom up, read Hey Jude's post: Hey Jude, regarding if lunch could have been an alibi....we are on the same wavelength...I had a thought, slightly different but in keeping with it being possible alibi, and I don't know why this came into my head but I had a sense of could it have been she met Amanda after all that time (in a public place) so that someone else (hitman) could see what Amanda looked like per orders of Davey. This is speculation, but yes I agree there is something "off" about the lunch itself.

Hey Jude said...

I think Amanda looks very anxious and troubled in that video where they are at the station - she might have been worried that Davey had bad intentions towards her, but was unable or unwilling to believe it, and always trusting in God, and God's will.

---

As Ashley said she wanted a baby but they decided it was not 'her season', it is most likely that Davey had 'counselled' Derek against he and Ashley having a baby around the same time as he and Amanda, as that would make them all less available for growing the church during the same 'season', which reason I could see would have caused Ashley jealousy, as she had been thinking in those terms, two babies, playmates, play dates, imagining a nursery, and generally was all psyched up for her and Amanda becoming mothers at the same time - but then it turned out that only Amanda was allowed to have her baby, while Ashley would have to wait. I don't see there had to be all the necessarily Machiavellian manoeuvrings accounted to Davey by Anon, more it was a 'practical' consideration, from the point of view that Davey's priority was growing the church, which Derek would have shared, without realising how much upset and jealousy it would cause Ashley for Amanda to be pregnant, while she had to wait.

I think Ashley focuses on the hotel as where probably Weston was conceived, because it was around that time - she said it was in the previous week - that she learned (though she says they decided) that she herself could not yet have a baby. If they were all at the hotel, she and Derek in their room further discussing or 'deciding' they were not having a baby, it might have played on her mind later, when she learned Amanda was expecting, that when she thought back to dates the due date matched the Chicago trip as the time of conception. She says Amanda was pretty sure, which if Amanda had said that to her (or if Davey had said it) - it was that which made her bitter, as it was like adding insult to injury, to her. She had been told no baby - at the same time Davey and Amanda were making one. She probably felt betrayed by Amanda - 'Soon we both began to feel a new season approaching. We both felt like we were ready to be moms.' They were planning to be moms at the same time.


http://daveyblackburn.com/posts/friendship-distance-and-forgiveness

Hey Jude said...

Davey - 'Ashley was Amanda's very best friend.'


What?

Why is he saying that?

Ashley's post shows that after an initial period of friendship. they were not on good terms, and while they were on good terms she did not spend as much time with Amanda as she would like people to believe. A friend does not allow themselves to grow that level of jealousy, if really they are a friend. She had stopped being Amanda's friend, she may even have become an enemy.

Hey Jude said...

Well, theories are one thing - but is there anything to support them?

flightfulbird said...

Hey Jude, I don't think it's too cynical to think that could be an alibi lunch.

The very best of friends, grew apart (to put it lightly), but then aired everything out and grew close again and "I'm so glad I had this last month that was THE BEST MONTH of our friendship,(channelling Amber) - and I can cherish the memory of this last lunch together" - another amazing coincidence that just one month to the day after that fateful lunch, Amanda was gone.

Bobcat quoting anonymous poster -

"If a friend wrote that stuff about me, I'd be scared, and I am alive, Amanda was not alive while that blog post was written about her.
The woman who was so jealous of his wife as well as his wife's pregnancy now LIVES WITH HIM and raises Amanda's child, Amanda having been brutally murdered.

This did not happen randomly with no input or manipulations from Davey."


There are TWO women, former friends of Amanda living in the house. Is the circle closing in? Is the main blog writer (they ALL have the same style) pointing fingers?

It seems so. Maybe a "a hive can only have one queen" type of scenario. Davey has chosen his queen - Meg's coronation was in that Instagram post last week.


Hey Jude said...

Is it so that Derek and Ashley were neighbours to Davey and Amanda - did they live just around the corner? I have that idea, but I don't know why I think it, perhaps from an early news report, or I read it somewhere, but I can't find anything about where they lived before they moved in with Davey.

---

I'd like them to explain why they were so accepting of Amanda's death in that tv interview, despite that Amanda had not been declared brain dead at the time they gave it. No fear, no shock, not sure I would go so far as to describe them as having 'diabolical' smiles or grins, or maybe I am just being too polite. I will watch it again, with Ashley's later blogpost in mind. If they had been neighbours, living just round the corner, I'd expect them to have shown something like concern for living in the area where Ashley's very best friend had been so brutally attacked and shot and left to die, while her baby was in his crib, upstairs, or sitting on the living room floor covered in blood, - well, whichever might be the most true of those.,while Davey was at they gym, and The. Rushed home to sit on the drive for the most part of an hour.


flightfulbird said...

And "the woman" who not only lives with Davey and raises Amanda's child -

- also goes to Crossfit boxes with him while her husband drinks coffee and cruises in a chair - she lays out in the sun (with Davey?) while her husband stays under the beach umbrella - she writes that "these two guys couldn't be more different" (which might be true, but it can't make Derek feel all that comfortable). She refinishes furniture and sells it now. It's kind of like she has stepped right into Amanda's life in many ways.



Hey Jude said...

Or to shower - that's why he said he went home, then didn't. Or maybe he did that too.

Hey Jude said...

She and Meg, a shoe each - Flightful - Davey felt Megs needed some affirmation on Twitter the other day - maybe a bit of tension between Megs and Ashley. Makes you think Amanda's life maybe involved a fair bit of watching as the vultures circled.

Anonymous said...

flightful @ 4:43,

That was not a coronation for Meg. It was Administrative Professional's Day and Davey totally blew it off, so he posted an instagram after he realized what day it was. Then he told Meg to make sure she put it in his calendar for next year.

I think Meg is jealous of Ashley's status in the compound, relative to her own.


I fear for Weston in that toxic environment.

Hey Jude said...

Davey's first Moodswingers sermon is quite concerning - he speaks a lot about how sick his heart is, really, really sick, sort of thing. The video cuts out and it goes to audio towards the end - technical difficulties, they say.

Anonymous said...

I know it's an old routine, but who would want to point fingers at Ashley TO TAKE FOCUS OFF THEMSELF?

What other woman is living in the house?

MEG.

Hey Jude said...

I can't help thinking it's a ploy for more money so they can bring the message 'more excellently' to the world, via internet, per Davey's intro. Well, it would be technically 'more excellent' if the video didn't cut out, but the content of Davey's 'messages' is not likely to greatly improve just because Resonate might receive more donations. I migtht transcribe some of that Moodswingers talk later - it's interesting.

Anonymous said...

"The woman who was so jealous of his wife as well as his wife's pregnancy now LIVES WITH HIM and raises Amanda's child, Amanda having been brutally murdered."

^^^ Describes Meg.

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