Saturday, March 18, 2017

Donna Brazille Statements and Morals


  Donna Brazille has recently spoken out about her cheating (giving Hilary Clinton advanced questions) and lying to the American public regarding the 2016 presidential election.  

Has she now expressed regret at both cheating and lying?  

We need only to listen to her words.  Her words, like all of us, reveal our background, experiences, priorities and morals, as well as personality traits.  

Wikileaks is, for many, the most "pure" news source in that they present without commentary the information given to them.  They present the information without editing. 

This means it "reports news" as the news is, with no interpretation nor classification.  

During the 2016 presidential election, Wikileaks revealed emails that showed that DNC Donna Brazille sent Hillary Clinton the debate questions ahead of time to give her the advantage.  

What her statements reveal is not only how she uses deception, but how she justifies deception.  

This week, she has said it is a "mistake I will forever regret."

Was it a "mistake"?

What about what she said about the email?


For Donna Brazille, an incriminating revelation from Wikileaks turned up in John Podesta’s leaked emails. It  is a message sent by Donna Brazile with the subject, “From time to time I get the questions in advance.

Megyn Kelly asked her about this. 

Question for Analysis:  Is Donna Brazille truthful or deceptive? 



MEGYN KELLY: You're accused of receiving a debate question whether a CNN town hall where they partnered with TV One that you had this question on March 12th, that verbatim, verbatim was provided by Roland Martin to CNN the next day. How did you get that question, Donna?

The question is "How did you get that question, Donna?" using her first name for emphasis.  This brings emphasis to the question itself.   

DONNA BRAZILE: Well, Kelly, as I play straight up and with you, I did not receive any questions from CNN

The Reliable Denial has 3 components but when there is either addition or subtraction, it is no longer reliable.  Here we have additions to the denial.  Note

a.  "well" is a need to pause, showing sensitivity to the question. 
b.  The present tense language 
c.  The inclusion of the word "play", which is associated more with "games" than with truthful reporting.  That she says she "plays straight up" not only reduces reporting to a type of game, but it suggests that she has not "always" (past tense) "played straight up" with weighty events such as this.  

d. Besides classifying what she does as a "game", she uses the present tense "play."  This is a very common form of an unreliable denial that is closely associated with deception. 

Why?

It is not only an Unreliable Denial, it is also a type of avoidance.  She is telling us what she does now. 

When asked if one lied, a common response is to avoid saying, "I did not lie" but to say "I don't lie" or "I'm not one who needs to tell lies", and so on.  

I analyze statements daily in which this, in some form, is found.  

These words added to her denial nullify it causing us to classify it as "unreliable."  We now look to see if she will issue a reliable denial, and affirm it truthfully, or if she will show us why she issued the unreliable denial, by further giving us information that includes deception.   


KELLY: Where did you get it?

Kelly, the Interview, noticed the introduction to the denial, but she also noticed the additional wording, "from CNN."   

Since she denied getting it from CNN, the question is, "Where did you get it?" 
 

BRAZILE: What information? Allow me to see what you're talking about. 

We note that the question is "where did you get it?" and the question is answered by a question.  This means the question, "Where did you get it?" is very sensitive to Brazile. She not only avoids answering it, but then affirms its existence, asking only to be allowed to see it.  She wants to know the source.  

This is another form of diversion.  

Note the interview is about the Wikileaks emails that came out. 

KELLY: You've got the Wikileaks showing you messaging the Clinton campaign at the March 13th CNN debate.

The IR answers the question allowing for the subject to deny the connection.  

"I didn't write that", or something similar, would be a denial.   

BRAZILE: As a Christian woman, I understand persecution. your information is false. What you're -- well, for suggestive e-mails were stolen. You're interested and you're like a thief that wants to bring into the night the things that.
We note several interesting points in the answer:

1.  "Christian" is similar to the entrance of "Deity" to an answer.  This is a strong indicator of deception.  It shows the need to persuade the listener why she would not lie  

2.  Gender is now invoked.  This is, in context, "victim mentality status" which, with "Christian" is used to not only avoid making a denial, but to appeal to victim status, specifically, Christians and females.  It is, in this sense, an attempt to portray strength by appealing to women.  It is manipulation and it helps classify the subject has a habitual or pathological liar who employs her intellect in deception.  Her need to have 50% of the audience (considering a 50/50 gender split) reveals weakness besides manipulation.  

3.  Note "I understand persecution" is in the present tense. She does not say "I am being persecuted because I am a Christian woman."  Most (90%) avoid direct lies.  She is not being persecuted, nor does being Christian or female part of persecution.  This is a deliberate tangent or avoidance, which seeks to change the topic.  This is another signal of deception.  

She has been accused, via the released email, of sending to Clinton the advanced question.  It is very easy to deny.  It does not take many words to do so.  

This is similar to one writing many pages of a letter or hold a news conference rather than issue a denial.  The factually innocent state the truth.  

4.  "Your information is false" does not specify which information she is referring to.  This avoids saying, "I did not write that email that Wikileaks revealed..." 

5.  Broken sentences = self censoring.  This indicates missing information. 

6.  Accusation:  "you're like a thief" is another avoidance technique in which the "victim" now accuses the "persecutor", though she is unable (or unwilling) to follow through with the accusation.  This is another signal of deception.  It is also another indication of the habitual nature of her language.  

7.  The last sentence is an attempt to quote the Bible. This, too, falls under both "avoidance" and "Deity" are is a signal of deception in her response.  

8.  It is important to note that she introduced theft into her statement. 

Does she consider what Wikileaks did in revealing this information to be "theft"?  Or is it the one who gave Wikileaks the information?

Remember, the party itself blamed the Russians for losing the election; not the material contained itself . This is the equivalent of refusing to answer the message, choosing to blame the messenger instead.  



Brazile argued she will not "validate falsified information." Brazile said the e-mail is "altered."


"altered" and "falsified" are different than "fake" emails.  It is interesting to note that in her accusation there may be thought of how CNN told the American public that it was illegal for them to read Wikileaks, as CNN read Wikileaks on camera.  
KELLY: CNN' Jake Tapper said this was unethical. Someone was unethically helping the Clinton campaign. He said this is very, very upsetting. 

BRAZILE: I love CNN.

This is very likely a truthful statement. It is also another point of attempting to manipulate.  Before it was "women" and now it is those who are fans of CNN.  


KELLY: This is Jake Tapper: 'My understand is that the e-mails came from Roland Martin and said this is very upsetting and troubling.'

That is your old colleague at CNN not Megyn Kelly. Who gave you that question? 

The interviewer sensed that someone other than self, is blamed, as she introduced "theft."  Megyn Kelly does not allow herself to be blamed.  

Brazille has not denied authorship of the email, but has used deceptive diversion coupled with manipulation and victim status.  This is an above average habitual liar.   


BRAZILE: Megyn, I'll say it on the record.
Here we have the denial for the record.  Will she say, "I did not author the email released by Wikileaks"?

Wikileaks maintains that they have never released false material and that they own a 100% reliable news record.  

This statement, "I'll say it on the record" is an unnecessary statement which further delays, via avoidance, the denial.  


I'm not going to try to validate falsified information.
This avoids saying the material is false.  It is a avoidance. She is answering an allegation that has not been made.  


 I have my documents. I have my files. 

She tells us what she possess while using this tangent to avoid the denial.  





Thank God I have not had my personal e-mails ripped off from me and stolen and given to some criminals to come back altered. I have my records and files. And as I said repeatedly, CNN, I never received anything.

 The subject continued to avoid answering a question and she continued to avoid issuing a denial. 

We now are given the reason why "theft" has entered her language. She does not say it did not happen, nor does she say that the email released is false.  She uses many words to avoid the truth.  This is something done by one well familiar with deception.  

"I never received anything."

This avoids:

a.  the past tense verb "did not"
b.  identifying the email. 

If she never received "anything" from CNN, would this include her paycheck? 

Yet, that is  not what she said. 

"CNN, I never received anything" even this avoids saying "I never received anything from CNN."  This is someone willing to even trip over her words rather than be honest. 

She also reveals herself as one who does not take personal responsibility for her actions.  

Analysis Conclusion:  Deception Indicated.  

Rather than simply deny the allegation, the subject uses repeated diversion tactics and attempts to portray herself as a victim, rather than directly lie outright.  

The deception also affirms that the wikileaks emails from the subject are genuine.  

When someone holds to a belief for forty or fifty years and suddenly, at the prompting of a politician, "changes", it signals that the public cannot trust them. Here, after the election, she introduces us to her "conscience."

This is where we are able to look into her character, priority, and history.  


“My conscience — as an activist, a strategist — is very clear,” Brazile said in an interview with SiriusXM host Joe Madison, adding, "If I had to do it all over again, I would know a hell of a lot more about cybersecurity.”

She qualifies her conscience here, no longer as a "Christian", nor as a "woman" nor even as one who "understands persecution."  She now is speaking "as an activist, a strategist" and this is a very important statement. 

It is in her role in politics that she possesses a "very clear" conscience for cheating and lying. 

This is very important. 

Cheating and lying are justified by her when she is an "activist."  This is insight not only into her but the party she serves.  This is where the ends will justify the means.  They know what is best for others and if it means cheating (stealing the election, false votes, breaking laws, etc) and it something that will "clear" a conscience.  

The conscience is the "informed decision."  

But it is not only in "activism" that both cheating and lying are elements of a clear conscience, but it is in "strategy" that these elements may be employed.  

This is where our country's greatest split lies and why we are seeing free speech under attack from colleges.  

This is an example of moral narcissism.  

The moral narcissist holds that his or her belief is so superior to others that it even justifies violently coercing others into accepting it.  

This is why we are under a threat of civil war and why the rule of law is no longer in consideration.  

When her hero, Barak Obama, said he was "saving refugees, women and children", and "we don't discriminate on religion, we're better than that", he justified the importation of Islamic fighting age males, and the "refugees" ran between 97%  and 99% Islamic, revealing the willingness to lie.  We now see this in his followers, and even in judges who were presented with the exact same temporary travel bans, but who took no action when they came from the Obama administration.  In Europe, the deceptive officials admit that less than 28% are Syrian refugees, and admit that between 70 and 90% are males, with most 18 to 35 years of age.  As Merkel, Obama, Soros, and others sought to bring demographic "change", they have done so by importing a criminal supremacy ideology that is based upon violence, with sexual violence as a specific.  This was masked in a way that would appeal to those with the need to feel morally superior to others.  "If you agree with me, you are morally above those who do not agree.  "  In this, host citizens were not told the truth, nor given the choice of whether or not their tax dollars would be taken from them to pay for others; those that Muslim countries refused to take in due to danger.  

This is why when you disagree with someone who is a moral narcissist,  the rage burns and you are labeled  mentally ill (phobic) and morally unfit for their presence (hateful, nazi, racist, etc).  

This is how the winds of wars begin; personal hatred and fight for control.   

The need to silence opposition is not an element found within  truth.  

Donna Brazille's most recent statement?

"It is a mistake I will forever regret."

What is?

Putting it in email form rather than calling?

Cheating?

Getting caught?

Lying about it?

This is a moral narcissist who holds the world in contempt.  She shows a strong intellect, well familiar with deception, manipulation and diversion techniques.  

Although she attempts to quote the Bible, invoke Christianity and Deity, she must oppose the ideology of Christianity in order to justify her actions and have a "very clear" conscience.  

This is a strong indicator of what those around her can expect from her in the future.  

She is a habitual liar.  

53 comments:

Anonymous said...

I don't mean to sound racist, but I have known some black people who will tell tall tales with colorful imaginations. Not all!!! But some.

Anonymous said...

The moral narcissist holds that his or her belief is so superior to others that it even justifies violently coercing others into accepting it. Kinda like: COALITION OF THE WILLING?

If you agree with me, you are morally above those who do not agree. Kinda like: YOU'RE EITHER WITH US OR YOU'RE AGAINST US?.

Anonymous said...

Its 4am. Go to sleep.

Anonymous said...

Make sure you let the sheep out before you go. Feed the hens. Give the cold pizza to the goat so he stops chewing on the downspouts and calms down. Then you may go to class.

Anonymous said...

Well, if you do visit just dont try swimming across. You're right. It'd take a long time and there's pirates. Stay outta the pub a few weeks and use the money to fly across. Only takes an hour. If you try swimming, it'll take about 8 days and you could end up in the west indies. I heard that happened awhile back. A Spaniard I think.

Anonymous said...

**it was like this... I heard sounds. Footsteps you see, they're getting closer...to my window. I heard them. Their booted feet. They went to the back porch. They opened the screen. They put their hands through.**

It was a warm.summer night. He was awake. He was shocked. He was four. He told his parents but they thought it was another one of his nightmares. Two men were later found guilty of sneaking into children's bedroom windows.

Anonymous said...

There is something sad about the beauty of her voice. I can't put my finger on it. Her voice sounds supernatural and celestial, but that's not it. Maybe the rarity of it. Like an exquisite flower that there is only one of in the whole world and only ever will be one.

Anonymous said...

I can hear bells in her voice and harps when I'm drinkin my Hennessy! Top O' The Morning to Ya!

Sascha Stange said...

Isn't it good who will come like a thief in the night? Meaning we always need to be prepared for the divine (and act accordingly).
Her attempt of a blibical quote didn't fit the context she was trying to create. In this case the publication of her mails would be like divine judgement against her. Maybe deep down she can't help but acknowledge her guilt?

lynda said...

Isn't everybody in D.C. a habitual liar?

Unknown said...

"She is a habitual liar."

Of course, she is. And so is the rest of the DC crowd. The mafia that controls finance, intel, army, media, education, academics, and of course politics in the US and the whole Western world works - surprise, surprise - like a mafia.

People are carefully screened by negative selection. People who don't cheat, steal, lie, deceive, rape and kill don't need to apply.

You think I am exaggerating? It saddens me to say that it is you who is living in la la land.

Peter Hyatt said...

Sascha,

fascinating and worth exploring.

Its the kind of analysis we do after a full review. It is when we get deeper into her personality.

Peter

elf said...

"If I had to do it all over again, I would know a hell of a lot more about cybersecurity.”

I know the quote above isn't exactly a confession, but it seems awfully close. It's like she's putting the blame on a lack of cybersecurity knowledge on her part. Or maybe that she would've hid the 'evidence' better.

Anonymous said...

DailyMail
A bully has taken my son to death': Heartbroken mother of 11-year-old boy who hanged himself in his closet says her son took his own life because he was being 'pressured to sell drugs.'

Over 1,000 drug dealers released from prison by BHO. Non violent offenders.....

Ode said...

Power of Media Globally

A very intriguing man who reports on London
this is a much watch for all minds. Thought provoking
doesn't even begin. Hide nothing, all in plain sight.

https://youtu.be/X6pZSXKie30

Linda Lazo said...

Yeah, that would still be lying, no matter the race or color

Anonymous said...

OT
Delphi murder of Liberty and Abby

Interview with property owner, he describes the crime scene as "very very pristine".

Is this normal talk?




The morning of finding the bodies:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...0/ptab.01.html

the bodies were found around 12:15 pm


Ron Logan---SOURCE A VIDEO CLIP(not linked in transcript) Your home being your sanctuary, it was -- I don`t feel that way about it anymore. It`s very concerning. Something happened here like this in my back yard. It`s just -- I just can`t get my emotions around it. It`s crazy. It`s unreal.
LOGAN: Yes, that`s true. I did not find out about it until after about 6:30 PM in the afternoon. People stopped here and asked for permission to
go back on my property and said two girls were missing, and that`s the first I heard about it. It`s been a -- it`s been a -- OK.
CASAREZ: So how did you find out that their bodies were on your property?

LOGAN: It was shortly after they were found. I had been in town, in Delphi, and was coming home, and I saw the -- when I went to town, they
hadn`t been found yet. When I came home, they had been, and it was.........
CASAREZ: So did you go -- did you go out -- since this was your property, you find out that they are there. Did you go out to the crime scene
yourself?

LOGAN: The crime scene has been closed off. It was not -- my property was not released back to me until late Wednesday. I went to the crime scene
Thursday morning to try to get a feeling of it. And it`s still difficult to just...
CASAREZ: You didn`t see any blood? You didn`t see a gruesome scene?

LOGAN: No, nothing. The area was very, very pristine. There was nothing there to see. I mean, really...
CASAREZ: Was there one crime scene and one location from what you could tell, or two separate crime scenes because there were two victims?

LOGAN: Just one. One scene. And apparently, I assume that both were found in this area because that`s -- what I`m pointing at to now is all
that -- is all that was there.
CASAREZ: Do you recognize the person in the photograph that law enforcement is saying is the main suspect at this point? Do you recognize
this person?

LOGAN: No, I do not. If I had any idea who it was, I would have certainly said so before now. I have no idea.

CASAREZ: What are you hearing? Does anybody recognize this person?

LOGAN: I have not heard anyone say they recognize him. It`s a -- it`s a total blank right now.

Anonymous said...

Cause of death not released. Why? The old man is likely in shock. His photo all over the news because of a minor parole violation. Its like a news blackout on this case.

Alexandra said...

Logan: LOGAN: Just one. One scene. And apparently, I assume that both were found in this area because that`s -- what I`m pointing at to now is all
that -- is all that was there.

He shows linguistic indicators of knowing what the original crime scene looks like imo.
He knows what it looks like now "very very pristine", but he also shows knowledge he knew what it looked like before they cleaned "all that was there".

Logan: "Your home
being your sanctuary...it was very concerning"

Logan is talking like a home invasion was done TO HIM. He makes himself the victim. He is concerned about HIMSELF, not the 2 murdered girls. Im sure he does find it "concerning" his property and house are being searched bc he is probably the killer

Authorities may want to consider that if Ron Logan drove 20 miles to buy exotic fish, he may very well have made the drive to Iowa to kill the 2 girls killed in 2012 (Evansdale killings).

rob said...

She's just working for the 'greater good'. or what people like her Obama and Hillary think is the greater good. good for them, good for the select few that they deem worthy. The rest of us low-life workers just need to shut up and get to work, and feed the kitty that they dole out to the non-workers to keep them in line, lying around all month for the day the check comes and the couple of days after that they still got a dime in their pocket. Then the waiting period starts again. If they can't make it till then, then a little crime, or taking from grandma to fulfill the wants.
Sorry, short rant.
Hillary couldn't even beat Bernie, a self-professed socialist, with out cheating, yet we are to be surprised that she couldnt' beat Trump. And we are to listen to the nightly news, and the polls and Chuck Todd and hear what a bad job Trump is doing. Yet go online and read the comments on articles against him and they run about 50 to 1 supporting him instead of against. BUT, maybe Trump people read and respond more, even though they would have you believe we're all a bunch of illiterate idiots.
I give Trump one thing, he's turned the system upside down, and made people look at things a new way. Old dogs like Lindsay Graham and McCain just refuse to get on board, but I'll do my part in shutting Graham down in the next election, hate I can't vote against McCain. Every time I wonder if we'll regret voting Trump in, I just remember the alternative, and feel confident that WE did the 'greater good' for our country.

Anonymous said...

Except LE said he's not a suspect.

Alexandra said...

@209, Is that why he's under arrest and being held w no bail and why they are searching his house AGAIN? Because he's not a suspect?
I think he did the Evansdale killings in 2012, didnt get caught and that raised his confidence level to the point where he figured he could get away with doing a similar double killing on his own property since his property is vast w lots of other people hiking there everyday who could be considered the possible perpetrator.

Anonymous said...

Thats what LE stated. He's not suspected.

Anonymous said...

This case is receiving inadequate reporting for some reason. If girls were approached by a menacing person why not call 911? Or did they? Recorded a voice via phone & a photo. Did family member who dropped them off & went to get them at trail see anyone or a vehicle nearby? Phone records would reveal commumication w/others that knew where they were going and may've planned to meet them. Nobody has revealed how they were killed after 1 month. Does community know how? Were they told not to say? Go back to begining and listen to LE statements. No threat to community!!! Whats going on here?

Anonymous said...

Anon 3:13-

Very little reporting, you are right.

Evidently the area doesn't heave cell phone reception, what was recorded by Libby was probably on cloud.

Libby recorded a video, they got image and audio from there.

Lots of info on Webseluths.

Media reported witnesses who saw a man and a couple, supposedly accounted for except suspect in photo. Also, there was mention of a man in black, perhaps a second suspect since LE said man in photo is suspected of "participating" in murders.

Yes, social media and phone records would reveal if they were meeting someone.

There are local reports on how the girls died and were found, but nothing official. Also that their bodies were moved.

No, officials haven't revealed details to preserve the integrity of the investigation.

The police chief's ambiguous statement was mentioned previously. SA anyone?


“I think people are smart enough in our community to draw their own conclusions about what they should feel and shouldn’t feel,” Delphi Police Chief Steve Mullin replied. “Our people are very smart. They are a very good community and they are very strong. And they are able to draw their own conclusions about this whole situation I think quite successfully.”

Also property owner's comments.
(link above in previous comments)


Ron Logan---SOURCE A VIDEO CLIP(not linked in transcript) Your home being your sanctuary, it was -- I don`t feel that way about it anymore. It`s very concerning. Something happened here like this in my back yard. It`s just -- I just can`t get my emotions around it. It`s crazy. It`s unreal.
LOGAN: Yes, that`s true. I did not find out about it until after about 6:30 PM in the afternoon. People stopped here and asked for permission to
go back on my property and said two girls were missing, and that`s the first I heard about it. It`s been a -- it`s been a -- OK.
CASAREZ: So how did you find out that their bodies were on your property?

LOGAN: It was shortly after they were found. I had been in town, in Delphi, and was coming home, and I saw the -- when I went to town, they
hadn`t been found yet. When I came home, they had been, and it was.........
CASAREZ: So did you go -- did you go out -- since this was your property, you find out that they are there. Did you go out to the crime scene
yourself?

LOGAN: The crime scene has been closed off. It was not -- my property was not released back to me until late Wednesday. I went to the crime scene
Thursday morning to try to get a feeling of it. And it`s still difficult to just...
CASAREZ: You didn`t see any blood? You didn`t see a gruesome scene?

LOGAN: No, nothing. The area was very, very pristine. There was nothing there to see. I mean, really...
CASAREZ: Was there one crime scene and one location from what you could tell, or two separate crime scenes because there were two victims?

LOGAN: Just one. One scene. And apparently, I assume that both were found in this area because that`s -- what I`m pointing at to now is all
that -- is all that was there.

Anonymous said...

Could a bear have attacked them? Male bears did not hibernate this year due to the lack of snow, so they are hungry and wandering around. A bear would not take the phones. Just saying.

Anonymous said...

Bears can do SERIOUS damage when they attack --could they have wandered close to a mother bears den?

Anonymous said...

Supposedly no breeding bear or wolf populations in Indiana but these animals DO pass through from neighboring states. Also I think people do not realize how prevalent these animals are...they have no way of knowing what lives in forests. I myself have seen a few animals which are of no known species. (People are arrogant to think they know which animals live where--animals, especially nocturnal are experts at remaining UNSEEN. That's why they are nocturnal. DUH.

Anonymous said...

From wiki regarding black bear attacks:

A Dr. E. T. Vere of Srinagar, Kashmir wrote of how his hospital received dozens of black bear victims annually. He wrote that, when attacking humans, black bears will rear up on their hind legs and knock victims over with their paws. They then make one or two bites on an arm or leg and finish with a snap to the head, this being the most dangerous part of the attack.[13] There are no records of predation on humans by Asiatic black bears in Russia[14] and no conflicts have been documented in Taiwan.[15] However, in India, attacks on humans have been increasing yearly and have occurred largely in the northwestern and western Himalayan region. In the Chamba District of Himachal Pradesh, the number of black bear attacks on humans has gradually increased from 10 in 1988–89 to 21 in 1991–92.[16] Recent bear attacks on humans have been reported from Junbesi and Langtang National Park in Nepal, and occurred in villages as well as in the surrounding forest.[17] Li Guoxing, the second person in history to have received a facial transplant, was a victim of a black bear attack.[18][19] Nine people were killed by black bears in Japan between 1979–1989,[20] and more recently, in September 2009 it was reported that a black bear attacked a group of tourists, seriously injuring four, while they were waiting at a bus station in the built-up area of Takayama, Gifu in central Japan.[21] The majority of attacks tend to occur when black bears are encountered suddenly, and in close quarters. Because of this, black bears are generally considered more dangerous than sympatric brown bears, which live in more open spaces and are thus less likely to be surprised by approaching humans.[10] They are also likely to attack when protecting food.[22]

Anonymous said...

Do black bears speak english?

Anonymous said...

The way black bears kill matches the manner of death people are talking about online Re the way the girls were killed.

Could the girls have been trying to videotape a bear? Could the voice saying "down the hill" have been someone trying to help the girls get away from/get out of sight of a black bear or bears?

Anonymous said...

Don't tell me that after more than a month, LE wouldn't be able to determine if it was a bear attack! Please! Be serious.

Anonymous said...

Why havent they said what the DNA results were? Was it even human DNA if found under fingernails?

Anonymous said...

Why didnt the killer take anything? Phones, clothes, etc. Unusual behavior for a killer.

Anonymous said...

Why dont they say what happened ie. manner of death?
Is it bc they can't figure it out?
Rumor is they "had the shit beaten out of them" and then their throats were slit and that one of the girls stayed alive for 20 hours.
It could have been a bear or bears that did it. I have seen what a bear can do to cardboard when they are eating out of it and it literally looks like Edward Scizzorhands attacked it. They make long razor sharp slices and take lengthy triangular pieces out also...I have seen this happen to cat bowls, and you literally cannot figure out exactly how they do the damage they do...oh and they also crush the bowl in half (like folded over) in their jaw. You literally cannot figure out how they do it! Also the damage they do is excessive. Very strange...Im just saying...is it possible they are not saying manner of death bc they cannot figure it out? Like it was real bad but they can't figure it out? Could be a bear did it.

Anonymous said...

Why would they videotape the Bridgeman? Why? Bridgeman is looking down--why would they think he was in pursuit of them? Maybe they were trying to video a bear in the distance? The girls lingered at the bridge taking pictures for how long? Point being, how likely is it that Bridgeman was stalking them if he was so far behind them? Because if they lingered at bridge for even 15-20 minutes it just seems like Bridge man was far behind them time wise and therefore probably wasnt stalking them, and why would they even think he was....they would have been FAR ahead of him out of his sight.

Anonymous said...

So you think it was BEAR DNA?
and again with the cat bowl story.
yep, you are prolly right...it was a bear, and the cops are too stupid to consider that.

Anonymous said...

So you think it was BEAR DNA?

It could have been. Do you wonder why they haven't even said that it was male DNA?

and again with the cat bowl story.

And again with your "icloud" craziness. A video on a phone is on the phone NOT on icloud.

The phones were left there. The cops have the phones. I'm sure of it. And if the killer does have the phones, wouldn't LE want to release that info so that if someone knows the perp or he has a family, maybe they will notice him with a strange phone and turn him in?

The problem with the picture of Bridgeman is that I believe way too often investigations focus on a "person seen in the area" when the person who was seen has nothing to do with it, and this phenomenon derails the investigation. There is no logical reason why Abby would have videotaped this man. There is no reason to believe he is the killer. AS I pointed out, he is walking with head down and was by no means stalking them as they had lingered at the bridge for at least 15-20 min, probably longer, so how could Bridgeman have been stalking them if he was so far behind them and why would Abby have been suspicious of this man??? People need to think outside the box as to why she videotaped him. WAs she videotaping him or something in the distance?

Look, there is no reason why LE shouldn't be giving a summary of what they found both with the girls being discovered and with what was on the phone. How do they expect to catch the killer if noone has any clues to go on? What weapon did the killer use? Why not release that info so that people can better identify the person. You have people on the internet saying that the fanny pack Bridge Man is wearing was his "kill kit". Give me a break.

Noone is profiling the killer except for a few crackerjacks doing pathetic one paragraph-long profile attempts on I think websleuths. No info released. A possible red herring with BridgeMan. No known info about perp. They have not even said he was male.

A psychological profile of this individual CAN be done. Will it be exact? No. But why hasn't it be done by FBI?

I believe if a human did the killing then, yes, as I said, this is an individual who experienced severe abuse as a child as well as severe trauma from watching a sibling (probably younger sibling) be abused also. Possibly, the killer was in a war and was a POW and watched a close friend be tortured/killed. I am being very cautious in profiling anymore than this right now because I want this profile to be accurate.
Also I believe this individual did grow up on a farm and was often abused outdoors. I believe the individual has slaughtered animals on a farm and had a brutally abusive parent. I do believe this individual is an older perp (50-70 years old). That is all I am profiling right now.

Anonymous said...

And I also see no way that the Delphi killer would not have also been the Evansdale killer. Why would police say it is a coincidence? What is their basis for that?

Anonymous said...

The killer is also very authoritarian. He can interact with others pleasantly but would have been known to at times work himself up into a rage in the context of ordering others around. He is well-liked by some, but those who know him closely or who have worked for him are afraid of him at times, they have seen a darker side. I do believe he is in charge of people at his workplace, and can lash out at people sadistically (probably through screaming and verbal humiliation and "punishments") when they do not follow his orders to his liking. I picture him working in a factory setting in charge of an entire floor of people.

I believe he is married and has children. His wife and children know him best and are terrified of him. He rules the house using terror tactics.

He completed college. He may have even gone beyond college level in education. He studied engineering.

He has killed animals before.
He has been known to abuse his family's pet or animals on his farm but this is not well known. He feels he loves his animals but is verbally harsh and sometimes physically harsh with them. They are scared of him.

He drives an efficient vehicle in good condition, but nothing fancy.

He often wears a tie. This is to gain respect from others he feels he deserves. He has good manners, enough to fool people he can be trusted. He is obssessive compulsive about cleanliness and demands his house be kept be kept in perfect order. Everything must be "in it's place"/

Sandee said...

Thanks for your hard work profiling! Hopefully this will help LE catch him!

Anonymous said...

The killer is quiet IRL but loud OTI.

The killer has many online identities for research to relate to certain ages.

The killer is boyish looking. Young girls find him fetching. He's acts coy. He gains their trust. He appears harmless. He has a small cute dog that looks like a puppy. Long ears. Long hair. The dog he borrows sometimes. He's a smoker. Unfiltered.

This is what I sense about the killer I have extra senses because I lack in other areas. I'm not psychic. I'm sensitive. I give readings by accident. Meaning, I don't know when I'm doing it.








Anonymous said...

The profile I wrote just kinda came to me. After imagining what is this person's psychological problem, I could visualize this individual's personality.

I just googled for Ron Logan videos to look at him and compare him to the profile I visualized.

In my profile, the killer "has been known to abuse his family's pets or animals on his farm but this is not well known. He feels he loves his animals but is verbally harsh and sometimes physically harsh with them. They are scared of him"

I just rewatched a video with Ron Logan being interviewed and now I can't find it anywhere but it is the one with his horse. Look at how his horse looks at him and reacts to him when Ron starts petting him! The horse looks terrified! I have had experience with horses and this is not how horses look at a person they are happy to have near them. Horses usually love being pet and brushed. Look at the horse looking at him--a look of terror. I can't find the video though!!!

Anonymous said...

I watched it and then opened another tab and lost the video and can't find it now for some reason damn!!!!!, but please look at how the horse reacts to him when he begins petting it. The horse looks spooked and his eyes are terrified. Ron has abused that horse.

Anonymous said...

If anyone can find the video of Ron Logan with the horse, I would be so grateful if you could put it up.

Look at the horse's terror when Ron is petting him.

That horse may have seen him hurting the girls if he brought them to the house (or barn) first.

That horse has seen Ron Logan do some bad shit.

Anonymous said...

I found the video.

Please watch at 40 sec mark onward at the horse's reaction to Ron petting him. Look at the horse's eyes--the horse is wary and outright terrified of Ron. Even after Ron stops petting him the horse moves his neck and head away from Ron.
The horse is scared of him, but I also feel like the horse saw him do something really bad and feels disgust and apprehension towards him and that's why he cranes his neck away. The horse is repulsed by Ron. I believe Ron is the killer.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TT7NoIJr5zE

Anonymous said...

I don't think Logan is the killer.

The killer grew up in the area. Knows the lay of the land. He wears red flannel shirt. He's not married. Girls rejected him when he was an awkward teenager. These are revenge kills. He was bullied by teenage girls. Made to believe he was liked then ridiculed to the point of psychological damage.

Anonymous said...

Good observation about the horse. There could be something there, or the horse may have picked up on Logan's emotions on the shocking subject of a double murder of teenage girls who were found on his property. His home.

Trigger said...

Great Post!

Alexandra said...

2:42, You don't think he's the killer bc the killer knows the land? Ron lives on the land and owns it.
That's interesting that you think the killings are revenge kills for Ron being rejected when he was a teenager (kind of like Ted Bundy). My thought is that the killer enjoys bullying and terrifying weak helpless creatures (animals, girls). He chooses weak, defenseless targets.

Anon at 3:07 Thank you. You could be right that the horse is picking up on emotion. The thing that makes me think it is more than that is the way the horse seems so wary of his physical presence...when Ron is petting him the horse turns his eye to look at Ron scared of what Ron might do to him. When Ron stops petting him and steps away, the horse again turns his eye to stare at Ron...it seems the horse is afraid Ron is going to hurt him. The horse looks like he is trying to hide how scared he is of Ron but the fact you can see from his eye movements that Ron's friendly petting of him does not put him at ease shows that the horse does not trust Ron at ALL and his petting does not put him at ease. His treatment of the horse must be very erratic where the horse cannot figure out when it will be mistreated by Ron. Because if the horse had learned that OK when Ron's in a good mood and petting me, I don't have to worry then the horse would not be wary like that even if Ron sometimes mistreats him. Ron must treat the horse very badly like maybe sometimes talking to him nicely and petting him and then hurting him right after so the horse cant read him. I had a half a year of experience riding and brushing horses when I was a kid, and that is not a normal reaction from the horse to being approached or pet.

Alexandra said...

Also he could have seen Ron doing something bad to the girls. Horses are so smart. The horse is so wary of Ron...the horse "wants keep his eye on Ron". Like the horse might have seen him do something bad to the girls...that would have upset the horse and make him look at Ron differently, make him scared of what Ron is capable of.

Anonymous said...

No, the killer also knows the lay of the land. He killed them somewhere else then left them there to be found.

The killer is quiet but known in town. It's always the quiet ones they say. He has a kind smile so people wouldn't think he'd hurt a fly. He has a hobby that needs a lot of supplies.
Woodworking maybe. He used a hunting knife for the killing. He still has it.

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Anonymous said...

Colleges have never been bastions for free speech. I went to college 20 years ago and the professors at that time marked me off for (intentionally, not wanting to participate in political correctness) using the male pronoun instead of the gender neutral pronoun she/her. This is nothing new and has nothing to do with the current political climate.