Tuesday, December 26, 2017

Baby Ayla: Justin DiPietro 911 Call



Analysis by Peter Hyatt

The following is Statement Analysis of the 911 emergency call made by Justin DiPietro to report his child, Ayla Reynolds, missing, from his home. 




Justin DiPietro, father of two children, while unemployed, took out a large life insurance policy against one of his children, Ayla Reynolds, and not his other, weeks before making this call. 




Is this call a genuine call for help for Ayla, or is it a deceptive ruse to cover a crime?

Statement Analysis gets to the truth. 

I.  The expectations of a kidnapped child 911 call
II.  The text and analysis
III.  Analysis Conclusion


I.  The Expected

What do we expect Justin DiPietro to say to the 911 operator about his daughter, Ayla Reynolds?

In a call to report a missing child, we expect the caller to seek help for the child, and express concern for the child.  The victim is a toddler with unique needs and one incapable of self protection. The caller is the biological father, which unique paternal instincts.  


We expect him to commit to kidnapping and to express direct concern for what the living kidnapped child is experiencing, and to facilitate the flow of information to accomplish the success return of his child. 

We look for a complete social introduction indicative of a good relationship:  "my daughter, Ayla" is a good sign, using her name, title, and the possessive pronoun.

We look for a sense of urgency.  A child is in danger...imminent danger.

We look for a sense of need, since the child is incapable of self protection, and expressions of such.  We think the parent might mention that she needs her "blankie" or her "binkie" or favorite toy, medicine, or food.

We look for a deep rooted panic and parental anxiety, protective instincts inflamed from the caller, with a sense of urgency, not for himself, but for his child.

We listen for a sense of impotency and utter frustration and fear, in a parent, left utterly bereft of strength to help his vulnerable child.

We listen for impatience, even rudeness, as the father cares only for his child, and not politeness, or worse, over-politeness, in a manner more consistent of guilt. 

We expect to even hear foul language as the father of a missing child may become unhinged at the thought of terrors facing his beloved daughter. 

Will he ask for help for Ayla?

How often will he use his daughter's name while speaking of her?

Will he ask for help in finding her?

Will he offer tips to the police to assist them?


Will he demand on communicating with the kidnapper?

This is very personal and acutely instinct provoking. 
 We expect to hear a father filled with resolve in finding his daughter working to get the most information he can to the police.  

II.  The transcript with Statement Analysis 


911:  Where is your emergency?

In Enhanced 911 systems, this is unnecessary and the better question is, "What is your emergency?" which allows the caller to chose his own words and begin his response according to his own priority. 

A:    *** Waterville

911:  "What's going on there?"

Instead of "What is the emergency?"

JD:    "Ah, I woke up this morning, my daughter is not here."

Please note that the order of the call tells us what is most important to him. 

"I woke up this morning" is mentioned first.  What is first said in an emergency often speaks to priority.  To this caller, that he was asleep is first. 


This is his priority:  before I tell you that my daughter, Ayla, has been kidnapped, I don't know what happened to her because I was asleep.  

"my daughter is not here" is a truthful statement.  He does not say she is "missing", only that she is "not here."  To a deceptive caller, "missing" would not be truthful.  Only that she is "not here" is reported.

People rarely lie directly, as lying causes internal stress.  Most lies are by omission, or missing information.  

Order speaks to priority.  What is most important to the caller is that police believe he was asleep, by reporting first that he "woke up"

Please notice, however, the additional wording, "this morning", which is not necessary.  This should make investigators question whether or not he was asleep, since he does not say so, and he feels the necessity of adding that he woke up "this morning."

Please note the name:  "my daughter" is "not here", and not, "my daughter, Ayla" or "my daughter, Ayla Bell..."

This is an incomplete social introduction (ISI) and indicates a troubled relationship.  She is his daughter while she is "not here."


She is not kidnapped. She is only "not here." 


911:  Okay, how old is she?

JD: She is an infant she's only twenty months years old.

Here is the mention of her young age.  It is that she is "only" twenty months that means she is vulnerable and incapable of self protection.  It is here we expect to hear something about her characteristics, particularly in regard to being so young.

Nothing more is reported, however.  This is not expected. We expect that since she is "only twenty months" we will hear linguistic reference to her needs and her inability to take care of her self.  


We expect him to tell us that she has been kidnapped.  

911: She is how old?

JD: Twenty months old.

911: Twenty months old?


Will he show linguistic concern for her?

Remember:  he began with linguistic concern for himself:  he was sleeping.  
JD:  She's not even two- twenty months old.


At this point, with "only" and now "even", (dependent words) we expect that her "only" and "even" being twenty two months old will have linguistic concern points made.  

He repeats her exact age. 

What causes the sensitivity?

The context is with no words of concern.

The subject is likely attempting to sound concern, without expressing concern, and presenting himself as a "good father" since he knows her exact age. 

Yet, he has not expressed any concern for her well being "even" though she is "only" 22 months of age. 
911: Was there anybody else with you overnight?

The question is specifically to "overnight"

"Overnight" is when he would have been asleep if he woke up this morning.  The answer should be in the past tense.  The operator heard his priority:  that he was asleep. 

JD: My sister's here, her daughter and my girlfriend and her son are here.

Note that he does not say if they were there overnight, but speaks in the present tense. 
Note the order:
1.  Sister
2.  Her daughter
3.  my girlfriend
4.  her son

Please note the incomplete social introduction as he does not use his sister, Elisha's name, nor does he use his girlfriend, Courtney Roberts' name.

911:  Hang on, I'm putting you through- this is in Waterville?

JD: Yes sir.

911: What number are you calling me from case I lose you?

JD:  ***-****

911: Okay, hang on, I'm putting you through, do not hang up.

      

WCC: Waterville Communications Center, what's the address of emergency?

911: DPS Augusta.  I'm putting through a report of a missing child from a residence at *******.

WCC: Okay.

911: Sir, go ahead.

WCC: Hello.

JD: Hello.

A greeting is not expected, though this is simply responding to the greeting.  We now expect him to report his child kidnapped, use her name (closeness) and express his verbal concern for her well being at such a young age. 

WCC:  Hi, How long ago did you see your child?


The question is "how long ago?"
JD: When I put her to-

Note interruption likely due to phone going dead.  He began, not with an answer of how many hours, or even what time, but he began his answer with his own activity. 


This is consistent with his report of an emergency:  "I was sleeping..." 

AV: December 17, 2011
      08:56:00

911: 911, where is your emergency?

JD: Yeah, I, I was just, I'd called, my phone just died and I have another cell phone now, so

Please note the stuttering on the pronoun, "I", which shows increase in anxiety.  Please note that the pronoun "I" is used millions of times and is not likely to be stuttered on since its focus is the person itself, unless the person is a stutterer.  Note no other stuttering. 



In Statement Analysis, this is called the "stuttering I of anxiety", since humans are highly efficient at using this pronoun.  


Next, note the focus on himself.  He was sleep. When he put her to... and now "he was just...his phone died...he has another phone..." all the focus is upon him.  

Note also that he did not lose connection but his phone "died."

911: okay, where are you located?

JD: *******

911: ********, is this regarding the juvenile?

JD: It is, yes sir. 

Note the respectful and short response.  The respectful response is not expected during such an emergency, and neither is such short responses.  An overly respectful 911 call may cause some to question whether the caller is trying to 'make peace' or 'be friends' with law enforcement, rather than the demanding of help for the child.  He offers nothing but affirmation of what is asked.  We expect him to interrupt and say, "Ayla's been kidnapped!"


911: Hang on, I'll put you back through Waterville Com.

    (dial tone/telephone ringing)

WCC: Waterville Communication Center, what is the address of your emergency?

911: DPS, putting through

JD: Yes ma'am I was just on the phone with you and my cell phone died.

Note again that while his toddler is missing, he has the presence of mind to use respectful language.  Those who know him best would be able to say whether or not this is his norm.  This is not evidenced by his other statements.  It is not his norm, according to his televised interviews. 


We do not expect the parent of a kidnapped child to be so polite and patient.  

We do not expect the parent of a kidnapped child to not use the victim's name.

We do not expect the parent of a kidnapped child to avoid saying, "Ayla's been kidnapped!" and we do expect demanding, impatient, urgency for the sake of the victim.

That he would be very polite to police, while under such extreme circumstances, is indicative of one attempting to please police and be seen in a favorable light, rather than a frightened, urgent father. 

WCC: Okay yep, I tried calling you back it went right to voicemail.  What is your daughter's name sir?

                          END

WCC: Waterville Communication Center, what is the address of your emergency?

911: DPS Augusta- putting through a report of a missing child from a residence at *****.

WCC: Okay.

911: Sir, go ahead.

WCC: Hello

JD: Hello

WCC:  Hi, how long ago did you see your child?

The question is specific to Justin DiPietro:  how long ago, which is time period, did you, Justin, see your child:  

JD: When I put her to bed  last night.  My sister had checked on her.  Um, woke up this morning, went to her room, and she's not there. 

Any information that goes past the boundary of the question is to be considered very important information. 

1.  He answers the question with:  "when I put her to bed last night." instead of saying "when I put her to bed"; he adds, "last night" which is not necessary.  This unnecessary information, along with woke up "this morning" brings the time frame to the place of being considered "sensitive" information that may prove unreliable. 

2.  He went beyond the boundary of the question:  "my sister had checked on her" and not "my sister, Elisha," or "Elisha";

3.  "my sister had checked on her" using "had" to elongate time.  This makes the time frame, again, sensitive.  "My sister checked her" would have been sufficient. 


This should have been a strong indicator into his personality for the interview and investigation:  he would very likely pounce upon any excuse or blame shifting that alleviated his guilt. 

4.  "Woke up this morning" has dropped the pronoun "I" making it unreliable. He does not say that he woke up this morning, therefore, we cannot say it for him. 


This is a strong indicator that Justin DiPietro did not go to sleep that night, but was up while Ayla was killed. 

5.  "Went to her room" also drops the pronoun, reducing commitment.  He is unable or unwilling to say that he woke up, and he went to her room. 


 We cannot say it for him. 

 We cannot say that he went to her room which will cause readers to believe that Justin DiPietro is revealing that he knew she was not there to be found prior to entering her room.  

6.  "and she's not there" is to speak in the present tense, and not the past tense.  The test for reliability in language is the pronoun "I" connected to an event by a past tense verb.  He violates this by dropping his pronouns, and switching to present tense verb. 

This is another  indictor of deception in his speech. 

WCC:  Okay, how old is she?

JD: Twenty months old.

WCC: Twenty months?

JD: Yes ma'am.

He stays very close to what now appears to be a 'script' giving very short answers with little additional information.  He is only answering questions.  He is denying them valuable information. He is showing no linguistic concern for Ayla, the victim. He is hindering the flow of information by caution. 


WCC:  All right.  So you saw her last sometime in the evening?

911 operators should avoid leading questions and specifically avoid introducing new language whenever possible.  Training in Analytical Interviewing needed. 

JD: Yeah, yeah, I put her to bed (inaudible)  at 8:00.

The 911 operator gave him reason to agree.  Note the repetition of "yeah" making this agreement important to him. The leading question was likely comforting to him. 

WCC:  Alright, hold on just one second while I get somebody started right over there okay, don't hang up the line.



WCC: Sir.

JD:  Yes ma'am.

WCC:  Hi, I've got officers on the way over there.  What is your name sir?

JD: ****** ********

WCC: ******* ********?

JD:  Yes ma'am.

WCC: And you said ***** or ***** sir?

JD: ********

WCC:  Alright.  What was she wearing the last time you saw her?

JD: Um, she had some pajamas on, um, they were green pajamas.

Note the extra word "some" to describe the pajamas.  The subject is initially vague and inconclusive in his description of the pajamas, then describes them as "green." Why would the subject's initial description of his missing daughter's clothing, an important piece of information in locating her,  be vague? 


We continue to wait for him to report her kidnapping, including, "someone broke into the house and took her!"  

Remember:  parental instinct overrules everything else, including politeness.  

He is not seeking the flow of information, he is hindering it by limiting his answers so that he can fulfill "cooperation" while not cooperating.

WCC: Green pajamas?

JD: Yeah

WCC: Okay, can you remember the exact time you saw her last or somebody saw her last in her crib?

    

Please note that unless an inaudible portion in the transcript contained the word "crib", we have not heard Justin DiPietro use this word.  If so, the 911 operator should have followed the rule of not introducing language and should not have assumed she was in a crib.  

This is an error.  

JD: Um, Elisha, when was the last, when is the last time you went in her room last night when you saw her?

He feeds Elisha the information.  This is insightful into his intellect and may suggest a lack of willingness on Elisha's part to lie for him. 


Note that rather than ask the question, he gives additional information which reveals scripting by agreement, with the reminder of their story. 

He could have simply entered the language of the operator and asked "when was the last you saw Ayla, Elisha?

Instead, he has not yet used Ayla's name (outside being asked her name) and he uses the additional, "when you went into her room"; making this needless.  Here is why:

If she was, really, in her room, and Elisha checked on her, there would be no other room to check her in.  Yet, DiPietro feels the need to add the location which should have been presupposed. 

This is indicative of scripting by Justin DiPietro. 

EP: 10:00

JD: 10:00, 10:00

WCC: 10:00 okay.

    (radio communication)

WCC: (inaudible) units responding, she was last seen her crib wearing green PJs approximately 2200 hours  last night.

WCC: What's a good phone number for you sir?

JD: ***-****

WCC: ******, okay.  I've got officers on the way over there right now sir and well help you, okay?

      (disconnect/return call)

WCC: What is the address of your emergency?

911: DPS, putting through

JD:  Yes ma'am I was just on the phone with you and my cell phone died.

WCC: Okay yep, I tried calling you back it went right to voicemail.  What is your daughter's name sir?

JD: Ayla Reynolds

WCC: I'm sorry, Ava Reynolds?

JD: A-Y-L-A

WCC: E-Y-L-A, okay.

Thus far, he has not used his daughter's name except when asked.  This is distancing language and not at all expected from an innocent father, nor about a child "kidnapped." 

WCC: Okay, and you've checked all through the house, is there any way she could have climbed out of her crib?

JD: No ma'am, she, there is no way she could ah.  got, there's no way she could.

Self censoring is when one stops himself from completing a sentence.  What was he going to say here?  "there is no way she could a got..."?  Gotten out of the house?  Out the door?

Note that he attempts to only answer the question by using the 911 operator's words.  This is not expected.

This is minimized responses.  

An innocent parent will, when given an opportunity like this, not only use his child's name, but will jump in and speak of her characteristics, how well she was walking, climbing, opening doors etc. 

The lack of information here is unexpected from an innocent father. 

It should also be considered that the caller self censored here because the child was not in a crib, as this may have been language introduced by the operator.  If the child was not in a crib, it would be difficult for the caller to place her there in his mind and subsequently his language. Remember, he already indicated that he did not go to sleep overnight and that "some" pajamas may be missing. 

WCC: Okay.

WCC: Okay, the officer is there with you right now. I want you to go out and speak with her, okay?

JD: Okay.

WCC: Alright,  Bye-bye.

     END

III.  Analysis Conclusion


Deception Indicated. 
Justin DiPietro said as little as possible and entered into the language of the 911 operator whenever he could.  His priority was self protection and a presentation of cooperation. 


In every call, the operator gets the sense that the caller is working with the operator to facilitate the flow of information, or the caller is not working to facilitate the flow of information.

This caller sought to limit information solely to the point of answering the questions only. 

He did not report Ayla kidnapped. 

He did not in an open sentence, use Ayla's name. 

There is no urgency in his words, no impatience for Ayla. 

He does not ask for help for Ayla, nor even for himself to find Ayla,

He gives no description of her abilities, character, nor even her needs.  This is strongly indicative of distancing himself from the child. 


His deception and specifically, the lack of any words to describe Ayla's needs, unique vulnerability in any form, indicate that the victim is beyond what parental instincts and protective capacities are capable of:

Ayla is dead.

He does not use Ayla's name, other than to answer the direct question.  This is strongly indicative of distancing language showing the need to remove himself from Ayla. 

Not once does he express concern for the child.  He does not speak of her being vulnerable, nor in danger.  In fact, not once does he say anything that shows concern for the child. He does not mention her needs (medicine, blankie), her being afraid, etc. 


We look for a sense of urgency.  A child is in danger...imminent danger, and find none

The caller is below average intelligence and one who is very likely to blame another. 


Priority:  establishing an alibi for himself.  If he was "asleep", he could not have done anything to Ayla.  This is his need.  

Even shorter answers, such as about the phone, focus upon him, himself.  

He began his answer wanting the police to believe he was asleep overnight. This need, itself, told police that he was not asleep, nor was Ayla in her bedroom, nor in a crib, that fateful night. 

He did not ask for help for Ayla. 
He distanced himself from Ayla. 
He did not offer tips to police, nor even suggest what might have happened, or who might have taken her. 

He offered nothing other than direct answers in minimum wording. 


He showed the agreed scripted language when he spoke to his sister, Elisha.  

This makes her a co-conspirtor.    


This was a scripted call and it is deceptive and is designed to deceive police into believing that Ayla was fine that night and in bed, when she was not.  

The original analysis published when the call was released was:


Statement Analysis indicates that Justin DiPietro has guilty knowledge of the fate of Ayla Reynolds, and his call was scripted and an attempt to deceive police.   

From the first time the father spoke, Statement Analysis revealed:

1.  Ayla was deceased
2.  Justin DiPietro fabricated a break in and kidnapping 
3.  Justin DiPietro needed an alibi 

For training in Statement Analysis:  Hyatt Analysis Services 

77 comments:

Anonymous said...

It certainly IS something worth noting, wherein 'ONE' of first common 'Mentions' - In MANY of Statements; Whether through 911 Calls, and/or other Forms/Forums of Reporting Missing Children, some FOLLOWING the initial contact with LE. Continuing with MSM, TV Shows, Social Media & Other Internet Blogs, Etc.,
Seems the 'Familiar' phrase - Which is becoming NOT just repetitive, But 'REDUNDANT'
"I was sleeping & Just WOKE UP this morning ..."
As if, SLEEPING is the 'BE ALL' - To END & ELIMINATE ALL any chance of anyone 'Thinking' or BELIEVING, NVM 'Accusing' You of having anything to do with your child's disappearance, and/or possible and probable resulting DEATH.

In THIS Case in particular, what I also found troubling with the 911 call - Dear Dad doesn't mention anything else about the 'Green' Pajamas. When in most cases, all children's PJs have a theme or decor of some sort & rarely simply a mere, one sole color.

NEXT is Ayla in the crib; And assuming that she even WAS in one, NTM that in ANYWHERE never was it mentioned that little Ayla had one arm in a 'CAST' as she DID have a 'Broken' Arm. Alongside of the pain & discomfort that comes with 'Wrenched LEGS' from angry & bitter Diaper changes . . .

Baby Ayla wasn't wandering off, ANYWHERE - ESPECIALLY, on her own!
&
I believe, she'd of had a heck of a time, trying to get HERSELF 'Out' of a Crib, with the physical impairments & impediments, which I mentioned above!

Along with THAT - I'll add HERE & THIS is IMO,
Ayla was probably frightened by now - KNOWING what her 'Dad' was like & Having LEARNED His 'Reactions' to her resulted in PHYSICAL Abuse! Ayla would have been too FEARFUL - To try to get out of some Crib!

CptKD

Kelley~ said...

I agree CptKD. Too scared and in too much pain. No way all her blood got everywhere in that room and she walks out on her own. His mother and sister ...I can't fathom why they cover for him. So sad.

Bobcat said...

"My sister had checked on her."

I have much to learn, but ^^ this does not sit right with me.

Was "checked" like Billie looking in on Hailey but not touching her?
Was "checked" past tense of "to check", giving a reason 'why'?

Is Ayla dead because of being "checked" on by Elisha?

Anonymous said...

I also feel Dereck is very shady and I feel there may be a link between Derek and Phoebe.

habundia said...

there is no way she could ah. got,

"Out of bed"?
A two year old with a broken arm is not able to climb out of her "crib" even if she wasnt scared/frightning
Could it be that she was laid in her bed after the crime? Untill they had made a plan to "let her disappear?"

Ive been saying the same about many of these "innocent" parents who began their statements with "just woke up".......these words have me always on aleet when used.
Cant come up with a case that parents used this frace and the were not deceptive......anyone who knows a case where innocent parents woke up and the child really was abducted (or missing)

Anonymous said...

Did Justin mention Phoebe in the call?

Anonymous said...

Why was Dereck visiting Justin & Ayla the afternoon before her dosappearance?
Why did Dereck suggest Justin by life insurance on Ayla?
Could Dereck have been hurting Ayla?
Why was Ayla's life so worthless to him?

Anonymous said...

Whoever "wrenched" her leg may have been sexually abusing her.
So, who "wrenched" her leg & left bruises?

Anonymous said...

Child molesters are HIGHLY manipulative. Which one of them is highly manipulative?

Anonymous said...

Why did Dereck visit the day before?

Anonymous said...

Peter, could Aylas age be sensitive to Justin in the 911 call bc of the life insurance, like maybe he had to fill out on the life insurance form that she is an "infant" or under 2 yrs old?

Anonymous said...

Did he want custody of her at all?

habundia said...

Ayla Reynolds’ grandmother, Phoebe DiPietro
https://www.necn.com/news/new-england/Ayla-Reynolds_-grandmother-speaks-out_NECN-240454401.html

In her first television interview, the missing’s child’s grandmother, Phoebe DiPietro says she’s living a nightmare.

‘You’re waiting for a phone call, hoping the police have your granddaughter”

But so far that phone call hasn’t come. Not a single word have come about what happened to Ayla Reynolds. The toddler who’d now be 21 months old, seen in this video shot last fall, disappeared in the middle of the night, a week before Christmas.

‘She’s quiet, very sweet, her eyes, she got the blues eyes and the longest eyelashes”

DiPietro says Ayla’s father Justin put her to bed around 8 o’clock, the next day before 9 am, he called police to report her gone.

There’s no accident that could have happened that night?

“No”

Among anyone here?

“No”

You, Justin?

“No”

The other people that were here?

“No, no, no”

Something covered up?

“No. No.”

What other adults were there, exactly what happened that night, weather anyone checked on Ayla, police won’t say, nor wont DiPietro. Investigators warned them against Jeopordizing the case.

“I can tell you there was not a party here at the house”

People had dinner? Watched television? Eventually went to bed?

“Pretty much, uhm yeah, I really have to avoid that question so”

You didn’t hear any noise?

“I did not hear anything”

Steps away from phoebe’s living room, seen here, is Ayla’s bedroom she shared with her cousin who’s untouched that night, her face is blurred. Justin told his mother Ayla was missing.
When you found that she wasn’t there. What did you think?

“I thought that I didn’t want my son to go get any of his friends and go kicking in doors looking for her”

I take it you don’t think some stranger walked in off the street and did this?

“It is a very creepy feeling to think that somebody have been casing your house, they’ve been watching the families activities.”

After Ayla vanished her grandmother told detectives some things around the house didn’t look the same.

“Some audity’s that I had noticed and we told the law enforcement, what those were.”

She would not reveal them to us. Without a search warrant Ayla’s grandmother a loud police to turn her house upside down for about two weeks, because she says, she has nothing to hide.

“I would give everything I own, if we can have her back.”
Ayla’s parents never married and lived apart. The child’s mother who’s spent time in rehab, her family says. Questions if Justin mistreated Ayla. Suspicious about a soft cask she had on her left arm that night she went missing. Justin’s mother says she was home when her son triped when he carried Ayla into the house. In other words an accident.

“Justin is a great dad. He truly truly is, and I know he loves Ayla.”

This sparkling red dress, and books were among Ayla’s Christmas gifts, never wrapped.

“I have to believe she’s okay”

Do you have anything to say to whoever took Ayla.

“Please bring her back, please just bring her back.”

So she can see her dancing again.

habundia said...

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/crime/2012/01/18/hln-special-ayla-reynolds-grandmother-speaks.cnn

Is this family who lives in this house, in any way connected with her disappearance?

“No, no, no, the only way that we are connected is that this is my house and they lived here, that is the only connection. Nobody has taken her, nobody knows where she’s gone, nobody got anyone to take her. My family did not take Ayla.”

And for anyone who thinks that anyone here in the house that night had anything to do with it?

“We did not”

There’s no accident that could have happened that night?

“No”

Among anyone here?

“No”

You?

“No”

Justin?

“No”

The other people that were here?

“No, no”

Something covered up?

“No no”

Is it possible anyone here in the house that night had anything to do with her
disappearance?

“No, no. I know that, I know it in my heart, I know with my soul that my family and anyone that was here was not involved in Ayla’s disappearance.”

I take it you don’t think some stranger walked in of the street and did this?

“It is a very creepy feeling to think that somebody have been casing your house, that they’ve been watching the families activities. Uhm they had to have known, there were sheer curtains in the girls room uhm some sheer panels. There’re not…they’re no longer there.
That was one of the first things I went out and bought was ticker curtain, with backing on them, but I don’t know whether somebody was planning this, obviously they…they were very good in what they did.”

Phoebe do you think she’s alright?

“I have to believe that she’s okay. I believe that Ayla is somewhere and that who-ever took her, took her because they wanted to have a little girl. She’s sweet, she’s special. She’s …she doesn’t really cry out but when she did it upset her lower lip, her little Josh Kwivers(?). I said no to her once and it almost broke my heart, that she just (gives example of the way Ayla would lower her lip). She just …I have to believe that she’s okay. I have an image in my mind, I shared this yesterday, and it, there’s a detective on the Watervile police force and we worked with quite closely, his name is Lincoln Rider(?), and I uhm I just in my mind, I picture him handing Ayla to Justin, and of course I’ll be hugging both of them, because I don’t think he would let her go but yah that is the picture that I, in my mind’s eye I have to hold on to that. They are gonna find her and she is, she is okay.”

Do you talk to her?

“Actually I can’t say that I have talked to Ayla, I have to ask God to watch over her and protect her which I believe he is.”

What kind of person does do this? What do you think?

“I hope it’s not somebody sick and twisted, because if it really was, then would my granddaughter be save. So I have to believe that it was someone that wanted a little girl, especially as sweet as Ayla. I am really not sure but I have to believe that she is save and she’s okay.”

In some way, when you walk into her room, even though it’s hard, do you feel her presence at all? In some way?

(Long silence)”she no playing on the rocket horse, playing with blocks, just.”

You picture her in, in there.

“Yeah”

“I just have a hard time going in there”

Why is it hard?

It was the last place Ayla was. It’s a real close and reminder. And you wonder why? How? What kind of person does this? I need just….i don’t know”

tania cadogan said...

Anonymous said...

Peter, could Aylas age be sensitive to Justin in the 911 call bc of the life insurance, like maybe he had to fill out on the life insurance form that she is an "infant" or under 2 yrs old?


An interesting question.
Would an insurer be interested in why someone was insuring an child's life?
Would there have been a choice of policies with different premiums?
If so, what choices were there?
Why did dipietro pick the policy he did?
Did the salesman ask questions as to why dipietro wanted an insurance policy on Ayla?
Did he ask questions as to what sort of policy dipietro wanted?
Did is suggest adding dipietro's other child relatives to a policy?
If so, what policies did he suggest?
What was dipietro,s response if he was asked about policies for the other children?

Was it suggested dipietro insure his own life and make his daughter his beneficiary?
What was dipietro's response?

Has he tried to claim on the policy?
Has the claim been accepted or denied?
If accepted, why?
If denied, why?

If denied, is there a chance it could be paid out at a later date?
What clauses were there on the policy?
Whilst Ayla was missing, did dipietro continue to pay the premiums?
If he didn't why not?
Was it as above in that he tried to claim?

Is dipietro still paying the premiums on the policy on Ayla?
If not, when did he stop paying?
If not, why did he stop paying?
If yes, is he planning on making a claim now that Ayla has been declared officially dead?

Given what allegedly happened to Ayla, has he or any other family member taken out insurance policies either on the other children, other family members or themselves?
If so, with which company?
If so, was derek the salesman?
If so, who are the beneficiaries?

Given Ayla is now officially dead, Could Trista lay a claim against dipietro and the insurance policy he took out on Ayla?
Since he is the prime suspect in the death of Ayla (and the fact he telegraphed something would happen to Ayla) would this have any effect on the policy if still active as in instead of him getting the money it would go to Trista or maybe another family member?

General P. Malaise said...

Anonymous said...

Peter, could Aylas age be sensitive to Justin in the 911 call bc of the life insurance, like maybe he had to fill out on the life insurance form that she is an "infant" or under 2 yrs old?


life insurance is offered to parent of children as a nest egg for the child's future not to protect the parents livelihood.

It is sometimes designed to be cashed out to pay for university etc (whole life policies). it is also a way of guaranteeing obtaining a policy at a low price in the future. many people have trouble getting a policy later in life. A child is easily approved and usually have riders to ensure future insurability.

while I don't think that is the case here. insurance agents do not think people plan to kill their children.

most people do not understand life insurance and its uses and many people balk at the idea of life insurance for children but it is an excellent tool for investment that is a gift that many parents and grandparents bestow on children.

Anonymous said...

Phoebe: "It was one of the first things that I bought".

Hmmm. Interesting.

What other things did she buy after the purchase of the sheer curtains that "disappeared"? Why did she buy these things?

Anonymous said...

Phoebe: "I said no to her once"

Subtle desparaging of the victim, implying Ayla was demanding or spoiled.

We see a lot of Phoebe desparaging Ayla.

elf said...

Four years ago, my neighbors trailer caught on fire on New Year's Eve. An elderly lady and her adult son lived there. My boyfriend ran over to see if he could help while I called 911. I could see the adult son in the yard and the trailer was engulfed in flames. I dont remember what I said exactly but I do remember being very impatient with the 911 operator because to my knowledge the elderly lady was still in the trailer. What I realize now is the operator was just trying to calm me down and do her job but I got mad at her because I thought she was wasting time and kept repeating that she needed to tell the firetrucks to hurry because the elderly lady was still inside. I was panicking. I felt helpless. I was frustrated because I didn't think she heard or understood the urgency of the situation.
I didn't know the elderly lady but the horror of what was happening was too much.
It turned out that an extension cord plugged in to a space heater caused the fire and she had never had a chance. It just happened too fast.
I didn't know the elderly lady or her son except to nod hello to. But that night I was just beside myself with fear for her. It didn't take long for firetrucks and an ambulance to get there.


Where was that panic in Depietro?

Anonymous said...

Money & buying things is a priority to Phoebe.

tania cadogan said...

Off topic

Kate McCann: 'I still buy a Christmas present for Madeleine 11 years after she went missing'

by: Kate McCann
22 December 2017 • 5:17pm


The last Christmas I ever spent with my daughter, Madeleine, is a very vivid memory for me. She was three-years-old then and at nursery had just started to learn some Christmas carols. She also loved doing the accompaniment to Dean Martin’s Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer. I can still hear her singing it now. For her present that year we had bought Madeleine (and her younger brother and sister) a kitchen station which we wrapped with a bow and left for her to find when she came downstairs.

I remember seeing her face when she walked in. She was beside herself. She was so excited and got straight to work preparing us all a meal. That was a lovely moment. I have bought a Christmas present for Madeleine every year since then but that toy cooker was the last one I ever saw her open.

In May 2007 she went missing from our rented family holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in Portugal and has never been seen since. This Christmas will be the 11th my husband and I have spent without our daughter. For families like ours who have to live with the agony of a missing child – or indeed any relative – Christmas can be a hugely painful time.

The festive period is a time to be together as a family and for most people is such a happy occasion. That almost expected joy makes it even more difficult for those that are suffering. You learn over time that you simply have to make the best of it and lean upon the support that is out there – wherever it comes from.



The first Christmas we had after Madeleine went missing I couldn’t do anything. I felt so numb that I couldn’t buy presents or cards or even put up the Christmas tree. It all felt so wrong. In the end somebody else had to do all that and we went and stayed with family elsewhere. Each year I’ve made a bit more effort and we’ve dealt with it as best we can. After all, our other two children who are now 12-years-old deserve a Christmas as well. That doesn’t mean it isn’t hard. Everything is tinged with pain.

That absence is tangible for all our family, the emotion still palpable. It’s impossible to shake off that heaviness ever-present on your chest. But you just have to try. Before Madeleine’s disappearance I had never heard of the charity, Missing People, which The Daily Telegraph is backing in its Christmas Appeal. My husband Gerry and I stayed in Portugal for months after she had gone, continuing to search in vain.

It was only when we got back that we were properly put in touch by a relative. The work the charity does for families like ours is vital and I am proud to be an ambassador championing their work. Hundreds of thousands of people go missing every year. This is something that affects so many families and it can destroy them.

tania cadogan said...

cont.



The charity is there every hour of every day. Without them people would be totally lost. The Missing People charity team are simply very normal, genuine, caring people that you could come and have a cup of tea with. I’m sure that’s part of the secret to the charity’s success. We often talk about our missing persons ‘community’, or ‘family’ and every Christmas get together for our annual carol service at St Martin-in-the-fields united in our emotion and hope.

We are all cushioned and supported by the presence of each other. Unless you have experienced what families like ours have it is impossible to describe the anguish of missing a loved one. I know without the support of so many we would not have made it this far. We have found that support in many places. A candle still burns for our daughter in the village and Madeleine and all missing children still get mentioned in prayers at our local church – and in many others I’m sure.

With so many things in the world to pray for just now, we are very grateful for this. At times the pain of losing our daughter has been almost too much to comprehend. You don’t know how strong you are until you have no option. Gerry and I are united in our aim of finding Madeleine and our love of our children and making life as good as possible for them.

It doesn’t mean there aren’t times when things are emotional, testing or strained. But we’ve got through it so far. In spite of how hard the festive season has been for our family over the years our younger children are still really excited about Christmas and that’s lovely to see. I have to remind myself to be cheerful and get into the Christmas spirit with them. I suppose I have learnt over the years that it’s important to have enjoyment yourself too and, more than that, it is OK to try.



You don’t have to feel guilty. And if there’s one thing I love, it’s real quality time spent with my children; cuddling up on the couch under a throw and watching a DVD together. We do a Christmas stocking for them and also one for Madeleine. The presents I buy for her usually have to jump out at me. She would be a teenager now so I always try and pick something that would be suitable and enjoyable for her no matter what age she is when she gets to open them.

In my head I guess I just want everything for be right for her when she comes back home. The loft is filled with the presents I have bought for Madeleine and her wardrobe, too. Like many families of missing children we have kept her bedroom exactly the same as it was when she disappeared. The irony is I’m sure she wouldn’t want it like that anymore because it’s bright pink.

And in any case if Madeleine was to walk through that door the most important thing is she is with us, not what her bedroom is like or anything else for that matter. But for whatever reason I just can’t bring myself to change it. The police investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance is still active, thankfully, and while it can be incredibly slow and frustrating we continue in hope. That is all we can do. While people gather with their families this weekend and enjoy meals and swap presents together – I would urge them to remember the missing. We must never forget them.

Missing People is a beneficiary of this year’s Telegraph’s Christmas Charity Appeal. To make a donation to this or one of the other charities supported in our appeal, please call 0151 284 1927

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/family/kate-mccann-still-buy-christmas-present-madeleine-11-years-went/

tania cadogan said...

All that waffle and yet no direct message to her allegedly and findable Maddie?

No message to Maddie telling her they love her?

No message to Maddie to reassure her they are still looking for her?
No message to Maddie suggesting ways to make herself known to outsiders?
No message to Maddie on how to get away from her abductor?
No message to the abductor to let Maddie go?
No message to the abductor about not hurting Maddie?
No message to the abductor to give Maddie a happy Christmas?
No message to the abductor about a ransom or reward?

Instead we get a message all about kate and by inclusion gerry and the twins and how they enjoy Christmas etc.

Once again kate opens her mouth and inserts both feet revealing how selfish and self obsessed she is.

There is no mention of what type of Christmas Maddie might be having.

It is, was and always will be, all about kate me, me mccann.
gerry and the twins are mere adornments to make kate look motherly and even then it fails miserably.

Kate's message to the world regarding Maddie is just like her book about Maddie.
Capitalized kate mccann, lowercase Madeleine and a book all about kate with the odd brief mention of the star and reason for the book, Maddie.
Guest starring gerry and the twins with a tiny supporting cast of police who are vilified, journalists, sundry family members and tapas 7.

Kate's only concern is kate and should an arrest be on the horizon, kate has told us she is willing to press a button so they can ALL be together

Nic said...

JD: When I put her to bed last night. My sister had checked on her.

Two things strike me about this statement. At first glance, the way JD reports events, they are out of order. He makes it sound like these two separate actions happened in tandem. It should be, he put Ayla to be and Elisha checked on her, afterwards. But it also reads like he’s using his sister as an alibi/proof that he put Ayla to bed.

Okay, can you remember the exact time you saw her last or somebody saw her last in her crib?

JD: Um, Elisha, when was the last, when is the last time you went in her room last night when you saw her?

One, he doesn’t say when was the exact last time he saw her in her crib (although earlier he said he put Ayla to bed at 8 o’clock). That is an exact time he referenced in the first place, but he does not reference it in the second place. Expected would be, “ I already told you I put her to bed at 8 o’clock!” Two, I thought there was an error in transcription because of the repeated information, almost verbatim, each time he had to reconnect. So this call really reads like a transcript. Third, based on the change in verb tense, (was/is) there are two periods of time he’s talking about. i.e., (1) that was then, and (2) this is now. The “um” sounds out of place and scripted. Expected would be "Elisha! (pulling her into the call,) Exactly, when was the last time you saw Ayla in her crib?” But JD will not say 1) Ayla’s name, 2) the exact time he last saw his daughter, or 3) the word “crib”. He says room but not in reference to when he last saw Ayla in her room, only Elisha. IMO, crib is sensitive. I would even say he probably didn’t even put her to bed [in her crib].

By the sounds of it, Elisha was in Ayla’s room when Ayla was not in it [afterwards].

jmo

Nic said...

CptKD said,
Along with THAT - I'll add HERE & THIS is IMO,
Ayla was probably frightened by now - KNOWING what her 'Dad' was like & Having LEARNED His 'Reactions' to her resulted in PHYSICAL Abuse! Ayla would have been too FEARFUL - To try to get out of some Crib!


My first thought is Justin doesn't do diapers.

My other thought is that there is no way Phoebe is losing two kids to orange jump suits.

habundia said...

If parents would take such a insurance for their child they wouldnt take only one insurance for only one child they would take one for every child they have.....so its not that people would think its weird to take a life insurance for their child, it is suspicious if they do for only one child (who dies weeks after the insurance was bought)

Anonymous said...

I wonder if previous physical abuse made JD realize how close to death Ayla could get. Realizing he would not stop abusing her he may have decided to get the life insurance policy.

Anonymous said...

The case has everything to do with the obvious and nothing to do with statement analysis.

Nic said...

@ tania,

And a plug for people to give money [to a charity].

In May 2007 she went missing from our rented family holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in Portugal and has never been seen since.
________

Understatement.

And in any case if Madeleine was to walk through that door the most important thing is she is with us, not what her bedroom is like or anything else for that matter.
__________

I guess it's not about "what if's". It's about what "is".

What is presented in the negative is sensitive. Appearances are very important.

jmo

Nic said...

Thank you, habundia. I'm sure this was the video I was looking for. I guess my impression was "monster" after listening to the type of person Phoebe describes:

“I hope it’s not somebody sick and twisted, because if it really was, then would my granddaughter be save. So I have to believe that it was someone that wanted a little girl, especially as sweet as Ayla. I am really not sure but I have to believe that she is save and she’s okay.”

Verb tense change: is/was/would

save [sic] is repeated.

save [sic] is separate from "okay"

Phoebe doesn't want to believe, she has to believe. Believing that someone (concealed) wanted a little girl is very sensitive to Phoebe, as is believing whether or not, Ayla is save [sic] and okay. IMO, Phoebe doesn't believe the "someone" wanted a little girl or that she is save [sic] or okay.

jmo

tania cadogan said...

And in any case if Madeleine was to walk through that door

If not when?

Anonymous said...

The not crying out is a huge red flag. If you read about children in orphanages that suffer extreme neglect, one of the symptoms of extreme neglect is lack of noise. They quit crying because they learn no one will come. Nit crying out is a sign that she suffered extreme neglect as well as abuse in that house.

Anonymous said...

Phoebe saying Ayla did not usually "cry out" siggests sexual abuse. As does her wrenched & bruised leg. What happened when Ayla DID "cry out"? Is that when they killed her? WTF was Derick there the afternoon before?

Does "kicking in doors" count as a door reference?
"kicking in doors"
"kicking in the gate"

Did Ayla run and hide from those monsters, but a door got "kicked in"?

Anonymous said...

Why was my Phoebe "curtain" comment deleted?
Pretty important to look at that aspect considering Phoebe claims they were the FIRST thing she bought and that they were GONE after Ayla was "stolen"!!!

Anonymous said...

Why does Phoebe emphasize that they were ticker curtains with a backing?

It sounds like she MADE the curtains!

Anonymous said...

Why did Phoebe put curtains up when Ayla moved into the room but she did not put them up when only Elisha's child slept in that bedroom?

Phoebe did not want people to see into the room once Ayla was there. What were they hiding? Sexual abuse of Ayla?

CptKD said...

Well, whoever DID change Ayla's Diapers - Did so, in a way that WAS so angry & agressive!! THAT it caused her to have her legs 'Wrenched' From the uncaring & cruel nature in which it was done!
IDK Who did it - OTHER than KNOWING it was someone in 'THAT' House that DID & That ONLY adds to the remaining 'Checks' & Balances in hopefully securing a a solid INDICTMENT(s)
&
Bringing this Investigation to a close, with ARREST WARRANTS Issued!

THAT includes one for the Big-Lady of the House Phoebe!
Then she can actually BE in MATCHING 'Orange' Get-Ups!
Same as her two 'Evil' Dispicable kids ...

CptKD said...

Make that '3' - If they can somehow tie Lance in there, too!

Anonymous said...

AnonymousDecember 28, 2017 at 10:30 AM
Said
The case has everything to do with the obvious and nothing to do with statement analysis

So why come here

Anonymous said...

He, and another perhaps, used the curtains to wrap her body in and left the house in the wee hours to avoid detection.

Sad. Too sad.

Doubt there will ever be closure.

General P. Malaise said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
I dont care. About this case or anything.


.....so why did you post the above?

Anonymous said...

AnonymousDecember 28, 2017 at 10:30 AM
Said
The case has everything to do with the obvious and nothing to do with statement analysis

"Obvious"

Please elaborate

Habundia said...

When was the last time that anybody else saw Ayla, then those who are the last to have seen her. Could it be she was already missing (removed) long before they say she has been gone......maybe even some days?
Do we know if anyone saw her and when it was?

Habundia said...

I was thinking the same about the curtain, I also believe they used it to wrap in her body.
Also Phoebe mentioning some sheer panels......I was thinking could they be covered with blood so that's why it was removed.

How old was the son of his girlfriend? Could he have been sleeping in the same room as Ayla was? And did he maybe see anything that night?

Phoebe also told us what there was not that night......"there was no party"
If she wasn't present that night how would she know there wasn't a party?
At the same time if your (grand)child is missing who would think of telling there "wasn't a party"?
"There wasn't a party..........when a child is being abused and dies because of it.......who would call that "no party"?

Another thing that sounds odd to me is when she is asked what she was thinking when she heard her grandchild had disappeared......her answer was.......“I thought that I didn’t want my son to go get any of his friends and go kicking in doors looking for her”


Is this family who lives in this house, in any way connected with her disappearance?

“No, no, no, the only way that we are connected is that this is my house and they lived here, that is the only connection. Nobody has taken her, nobody knows where she’s gone, nobody got anyone to take her. My family did not take Ayla.”

If she couldn't have gotten out of her "crib" and "nobody has taken her", I would love to ask her........"so how did she then disappear?"

Do you talk to her?

“Actually I can’t say that I have talked to Ayla, I have to ask God to watch over her and protect her which I believe he is.”
She has to ask God.......she doesn't say she has asked him.......she only believes he's watching over her and protect her, she didn't ask.........so why would he now protect her while he wasn't protecting Ayla when she was at their house and ended up missing? How in your right mind could you convince yourself that he will be protecting her after her disappearance? But he didn't before?
I just have a hard time making this sound logical.......but then again I am not a believer of some God figure.

Anonymous said...

Phoebe says of the curtains "That was the first thing that I bought".

What were the other things that she bought AFTER she bought the curtains?

Phoebe says (in direct linguistic relationship to the curtains which were the first things she bought) that (the kidnapper) "planned this very carefully). I believe that statement is recealing of the fact that Ayla's death & disposal was premeditated & that it was planned very carefully.

I wonder where Phoebe bought the curtains. Also, why does she first say that the curtains were "sheer" but then says they were "ticker curtains with a backing" which seems to indicate they were not sheer if the had a backing.

Also, why did Justin's brain conjur up the lie that Ayla's wrenched & bruised leg was caused by a fight with anither toddler in the Chuckie Cheese ball pit? Considering there was no ball pit in the Chuckie Cheese, I feel Justin is leaking something. Did Justin tell Trista that lie AFTER Trista had returned Ayla to him? A "ball pit" is somewhat like a grave in that someone in the ball pit can get "buried by the balls" or it could be similar to "drowning" in the balls. Very concerning imagery & I would need to know WHEN this was said to Trista and WHERE Ayla was when Justin told Trusta this lie. Was she with him? Did they drown Ayla? Is that how she died? Is that why there is water imagery from Justin w "rumors floating around"?

Anonymous said...

Is that why Phoebe says Ayla did not cry out? Because they may have drowned her? That could also cause vomitting as Elisha said Ayla vomitted a lot.

Anonymous said...

Where's this "curtain" statement?
What is the setting for what she said

habundia said...

Anonymous @ 3:54pm

This are her exact words i transcripted from her interview


I take it you don’t think some stranger walked in of the street and did this?

“It is a very creepy feeling to think that somebody have been casing your house, that they’ve been watching the families activities. Uhm they had to have known, there were sheer curtains in the girls room uhm some sheer panels. There’re not…they’re no longer there.
That was one of the first things I went out and bought was ticker curtain, with backing on them, but I don’t know whether somebody was planning this, obviously they…they were very good in what they did.”

Anonymous said...

Wow, those curtains are sensitive

Nic said...

Anonymous said...
Phoebe says of the curtains "That was the first thing that I bought".

What were the other things that she bought AFTER she bought the curtains?


Good point! It would be interesting to see the receipt to find out what other items were purchased along with new curtains. And the date and time!

Nic said...

Further to my post above, I remember Phoebe talking about the Christmas gifts they had for Ayla that weren't wrapped yet. Now I'm half wondering if instead of them having been purchased before Ayla went missing, that they were bought afterwards for "props". Would they be that stupid to ring through curtains *and* little girl presents on the same bill? I wonder if LE ever looked into this.

Anonymous said...

She doesn't answer the question which is good for analysis

Habundia said...

When I read this statement over and over again it becomes stranger each time.

I've looked up what "sheer curtains", "sheer panels' are. Some of the reaction made me think these curtains are used to separate the room for two people, but Google tells me that these are curtains in front of a window.....you can see through them although not very clear.
How difficult would it have been to "know", these curtains were in the girls room? Curtains infront of window can be seen from outside, you don't have to be Einstein to know that!
Now those curtains are 'no longer there", does she want us to believe that the person who "took" Ayla also took the sheer curtains (panels), and they "have been planning this"? Like as if Ayla wouldn't be scared if the curtains from her room were taken to "comfort" her? Like a blanket or a stuffed animal?!
As if someone would take of these curtains while abducting a "not even two-21month old child (with a broken arm) while 3 others are sleeping through all of it?

So many have said that it seemed like she didn't buy thicker curtains but that she made them herself. I don't seem to read this in her words. What I do find odd is her talking about "buying ticker curtains" after she found out they were missing, after she found out Ayla was "missing"
Who the F*** would care to buy new curtains (first thing) if their loved one (grand-child) is missing????????? Really? The first thing you do is buy new curtains.......and you never go look for her around town?
At least in this interview she never says they went looking for Ayla (also Justin never said this during 911 call).....no instead she "went out to buy ticker curtains"!!!!!!

“Some audity’s that I had noticed and we told the law enforcement, what those were.”

Would these missing curtains been part of those "audity's" that she had "noticed" an she told the officers (cooperation), while not willing to share it with the public.

Also, I think I heard or read somewhere Ayla vomiting a lot due to some lactose issue......did her mother ever tell/acknowledge that she was having such a medical issue? Or would she have been vomiting due to internal wounds who weren't seen by anyone, stress or other psychological problems instead she would have been experiencing while she stayed at that home.

Habundia said...

“I hope it’s not somebody sick and twisted, because if it really was, then would my granddaughter be save."
I didn't hear a question mark at the end of this sentence, this makes this sentence weird, because it should be, otherwise she says that her granddaughter would be safe with someone sick and twisted!

“I have to believe that she’s okay. I believe that Ayla is somewhere and that who-ever took her, took her because they wanted to have a little girl. She’s sweet, she’s special. ........They are gonna find her and she is, she is okay.”

I immediately think of religion when reading this. Religious people believe people (children) who died are in a better place, save, "with God and other Angels", they are "okay". They say things like "God took them because they are special and sweet and he 'wanted' an Angel" or something in that matter

She doesn't say Ayla will be alive when found, also her statement about her "minds-ey" when the "officer hands over Ayla to Justin", she also isn't saying Ayla is (will be found) alive....she is "okay"

You picture her in there.
"Yeah"
"I just have a hard time going in there"

I believe her!
In her mind she only wants to think of the "nice" times, but going into that room reminds her of what happened in that room (she wasn't present so it wouldn't be her memory of the last place she saw Ayla, .....unless she was present and did see her......but still the first thing she did was buying new "thicker" curtains for the girls room and put them in the room??
GirlS room, which means another girl slept (sleeps) I that room, doesn't she anymore? What does she know? What secrets does she has to live with about what happened behind close doors......because privacy is more important than children's rights is.....the best protection for those who do harm.

@tania,thanks for sharing about Madeleine (all thought it's all about Kate and her selfishness)
Every mother of a missing child her only wish for Christmas would be finding their child, no matter how many years would pass, that wish would stand untill the day they die (and beyond if possible), Kate doesn't show anything of that

@Nic, you're welcome!

CptKD said...

Probably so they could RETURN THEM!
&
Get back any Monies, they had Spent!

Hence, Why they weren't Wrapped!
&
For all we know ...
They may not have even, BEEN 'Bought'!!

CptKD said...

And what the hell does that mean?

START with a 'Name'
&
THEN, please 'EXPLAIN'!

THIS - Makes, NOT 'One' Iota of Sense!

Anonymous said...

“I thought that I didn’t want my son to go get any of his friends and go kicking in doors looking for her”

DOORS
PANELS
PIT
CURTAINS

What are the linguistic indicators that Ayla is deceased & not being hidden away somewhere with someone?

This is a question. What are the linguistic indicators she is deceased?

PANELS
FIRST THINGS I BOUGHT
PIT
SHEER CURTAINS
KICKING IN DOORS
SOMEONE WHO WANTED A LITTLE GIRL AS SWEET AS AYLA

JUSTIN TELEGRAPHING TO TRISTA:
SOMEONE WILL TAKE AYLA

ANGELA HARRY: SOMEONE WHO FELT THEY COULD CARE BETTER FOR AYLA

Anonymous said...

Kidnapping case in Austria: Victim hidden in room down a flight of stairs hidden behind panels.

Did DiPietros hide Ayla with someone somewhere or sell her to a predator who they know is hiding her?

Justin: Kicked in gate at top of stairs

Why are there possible linguistic indicators Ayla may be being hidden in an underground room (basement, pit) behind panels?

PIT
GATE AT TOP OF STAIRS (LEADING TO BASEMENT)
PANELS
SHEER CURTAINS
TICKER CURTAINS WITH BACKING
JUSTIN: I love you, see you soon.

Anonymous said...

If a victim is hidden away, would whatever was concealing the entryway to the hidden room or space not be THE MOST SENSITIVE THING TO THE PERPETRATOR?
Whether it was a PANEL, CURTAIN, GATE, ETC?

I saw a movie about the Austria kidnapping victim (Natasha?) and that is the most sensitive thing to the perp is the ROOM the PANELS are in AS WELL AS THE PANELS that conceal the entryway to the stairs that go down to the hidden room or you coukd even call it a "pit"?

elf said...

The other girl that slept in that room was Ayla. She and Elisha's daughter shared that bedroom but Ayla was supposedly the only one sleeping in there that night.

habundia said...

How horrible the thought may be it could be fairy well the reality......Natasha wasnt the only girl whos being kept hostige as a slave....here in Europe we had Dutreaux who kept his victims prisoners, there was another Fritzle or something who kept his daughter in a self build buncker.....and so there are more......unfortunately so these linguisters could be related to her being hidden.

Thanks for your view of things....it gave another way of thinking about the words said

Anonymous said...

Has statement analysis been used in any of the cases discussed in this blog? If so, has it been instrumental in solving any of the cases?

Anonymous said...

Habundis, you are correct & in the Natasha case, where she was snatched off the street by a man (yet witnesses say there were 2 men in the van), some feel one of the parents (cant remember which one--her parents were divorced) may have known she was going to be kidnapped & had some level of imvolvement.
With Ayla, I feel 90-95 % sure that she is deceased, but I am not completely sure that she is deceased.
There are many unique things linguistically about this case including extreme sensitivity over certain things like curtains, telegraphing of the future disappearancd of Ayla by Justin, as well as the Angela Harry piece of writing--which comes from an "outside party" & implies that someone who felt they could take "better care" of Ayla took her. Also, I find the poverty of linguistic indicators from Justin very puzzling--I do not see his language as typical for a killer which leads me to wonder if Ayla was actially killed.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Trista that Justin KNOWS what happened to Ayla. However, what is it that he knows? What happened to her?
Justin's language is so different from other killers who tend to be very glib & have verbal diahrea which typically has many linguistic indicators that reveal, at minimum (think of the Celis father, DeOrr's father, Jonbenet's father, that the individual has knowledge that the missing child is deceased as well as indicators that they know the location of the body. With Justin, his language is very minimalist if you will, and I dont see those linguistic tells of knowledge of homicide and/orknowledfe of where the body has been hidden.

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habundia said...

Could it be kind of...if i cant have her then you cant have her!" type of thing? (nasty divorces) without killing, just let them think she is and i can earn me some money
Thats why the insurance was taken.

Didnt knew one of her (Natasha's) parents had knowledge.

Anonymous said...

Habundia wrote

Could it be kind of...if i cant have her then you cant have her!" type of thing? (nasty divorces) without killing, just let them think she is and i can earn me some money
Thats why the insurance was taken.

Yes, thats pretty much what I am thinking.

Usually, when I am listening to what these killers say, very quickly I hear linguistic indicators centering around knowledge of homicide & location of body. For example, with the Deorr case & Mariah case (to cite recent examples) I will very quickly hear "tells" and my mind perceives it as "OK, there it is". With Mariah, I very quickly picked up on "OK there it is" (linguistic "tell" from the mother of both knowledgevof homicide & location of body (water) ). With DeOrr, I got "OK there it is" from the fathers language of A) knowledge of homicide B) location of body (NOT in the search area & under something) & the fact DeOrr had never been at the campsite. I said that he was never at the campsite based on fathers language 3 months before LE and FBI reached that same conclusiin.
With Justins language I get no "OK there it is". There is nothing to latch onto in his language. I get deception over Ayla NOT being in the bedroom when Elisha allegedly "saw her" but I get NO OTHER TELLS.
What does this mean?

I have come to believe we are dealing with a different animal here than the other homicide missing person cases. Either that, or Justin genuinely does not have certain info that Phoebe may have about what exactly happened to Ayla. Phoebes language has more sinister elements which indicate knowledge of Ayla's whereabouts. I am not sure they indicate knowledge of homicide.

Peter Hyatt said...

Anonymous said...
Habundia wrote

Could it be kind of...if i cant have her then you cant have her!" type of thing? (nasty divorces) without killing, just let them think she is and i can earn me some money
Thats why the insurance was taken.

Yes, thats pretty much what I am thinking.

Usually, when I am listening to what these killers say, very quickly I hear linguistic indicators centering around knowledge of homicide & location of body. For example, with the Deorr case & Mariah case (to cite recent examples) I will very quickly hear "tells" and my mind perceives it as "OK, there it is". With Mariah, I very quickly picked up on "OK there it is" (linguistic "tell" from the mother of both knowledgevof homicide & location of body (water) ). With DeOrr, I got "OK there it is" from the fathers language of A) knowledge of homicide B) location of body (NOT in the search area & under something) & the fact DeOrr had never been at the campsite. I said that he was never at the campsite based on fathers language 3 months before LE and FBI reached that same conclusiin.
With Justins language I get no "OK there it is". There is nothing to latch onto in his language. I get deception over Ayla NOT being in the bedroom when Elisha allegedly "saw her" but I get NO OTHER TELLS.
What does this mean?

I have come to believe we are dealing with a different animal here than the other homicide missing person cases. Either that, or Justin genuinely does not have certain info that Phoebe may have about what exactly happened to Ayla. Phoebes language has more sinister elements which indicate knowledge of Ayla's whereabouts. I am not sure they indicate knowledge of homicide.

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This is why we urge professional training, lest one with drive and even talent, end up like this anonymous poster.

the poster's confidence is in the poster, not in the principles of Statement Analysis. It also shows how far one will go, including boasting, to support a conclusion that is not indicated by the science.


The desire to clear Justin and blame Phoebe, anonymously, is unsupported by Statement Analysis, and specifically the cases cited.

This is precisely what training seeks to eradicate.

Peter

but I am a robot! said...

Quoting another random Anonymous:

With Justin, his language is very minimalist if you will, and I dont see those linguistic tells of knowledge of homicide and/orknowledfe of where the body has been hidden.
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The second half of this sentence explains the first half. It also highlights seasoned 911 dispatchers' first red flag of guilty knowledge: obstructing the flow of information.

His pathetic and obvious attempt to feed his sister the correct answer was so ludicrous it would be laughable if not for the tragic context. I half expected to read in the transcript her yelping, "OW! Why did you just kick me?!"



He also didn't notice or didn't care that when he spelled Ayla's name to clarify the dispatcher's incorrectly calling her Ava, the man repeated it back misspelled as E Y L A. By itself that could be a distraught parent, regional accent and/or cell phone reception; here it just reads like more focusing on himself and the guilty knowledge she's no longer going to hear her name.

Anonymous said...

The characteristics Peter identified about Justin DiPietro in the 911 call are confirmed by DiPietro's rambling, blaming, and evasive responses in a recent interview.

https://crimewatchdaily.com/2017/12/15/exclusive-dad-justin-dipietro-talks-ayla-reynolds-case-with-crime-watch-daily/

Q: What do you say when the other side points the finger at you?

JP: "I don't think it ever feels good for anybody to be accused of something they didn't do," said Justin DiPietro. "I've never done anything wrong to anybody, to do any of this, and I know for sure my daughter hasn't either."

Anonymous said...

I posted the Crimewatchdaily.com interview link at January 3, 2018 at 5:09 PM.
That's what I get for reading this blog backwards after a week off.
SA post of that interview here: http://statement-analysis.blogspot.ca/2017/12/crime-watch-daily-interviews-justin.html

Anonymous said...

Hi Peter, I appreciate your response & I apologize for seeming to imply that I was trying to clear Justin, as I believe he was a very abusive father who does have knowledge of what happened to Ayla, and unfortunately, it does seem homicide is what occurred.
Justin's language frustrates me bc, although he certainly is deceptive, there are few tangible clues in his language. Water imagery is there in his language. Also, "ball pit".
Phoebes language has much more (some conflicting) imagery to grasp onto, seemingly pointing to land, a box, a road, a vehicle.
This case is odd.
I also admit I am letting my emotions interfere with analysis. Upon reflection, I realized I may be letting the fact that I feel the emotion of "worry" about Ayla, unlike some missing persons who I feel are deceased, the worry isnt there. This is an emotional reaction which is interfering with the analysis.

Anonymous said...

I should clarify what I meant in post above: With other homicide victims, I dont feel "worry" since they are no longer living, but with Ayla, I do feel "worry", or something, for reasons I cant quite put my finger on, which may emotionally influence the analysis.

Anonymous said...

Peter Hyatt December 18, 2017

In the US, with "net 'neutrality'" removed (2,000+ regulations) when FB or Google censors opinions they do not agree with, the tyranny is now met with free competition. This has a history of benefiting us. Expect companies to now invest in internet access, specifically in two ways: 1. Wifi outside the home/business setting expansion, and 2. Free data for music streaming. I could add in a 3rd of lowered prices overall, but it will take time. The free speech enemies are not pleased. I do not agree with many opinions, including my own, but still aggressively demand the freedom to express them. If you support new "hate speech" standards, know that eventually, it will be YOUR opinion that will be "unacceptable" some day as the pendulum of history sways. It may be you, or it may be your children, but if you believe politicians should censor our thinking, and you like the current climate, eventually it will turn on you and you'll rue the day you did not fight for the contrary opinion. I don't get my views from the owner of FB.


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Such hypocrisy!

Peter deletes all my posts that voice an opinion if he perceives it as critical of what he does here.





Anonymous said...

"between the births and the deaths of our children they’ve been amazing." Has there been more than one death?

ima.grandma said...

911:  Okay, how old is she?

JD: She is an infant she's only twenty months years old.

911: She is how old?

JD: Twenty months old.

911: Twenty months old?

JD:  She's not even two- twenty months old.

It is odd JD refers to Ayla as an infant. She is practically two years old, an active toddler, yet his social introduction of his daughter is one of an infant. What image is in his mind as he says the word 'infant'? Could it be because the life insurance policy he bought was an 'infant' policy similar to the Gerber grow-up plan so heavily marketed and promoted to new parents? The premiums are very low up to the age of two, reasonable rates that are easily affordable. I don't know what age his other child was at this time but as the child ages the rates increase. 

JD's emphasis on Ayla's age is the only descriptive details he offers. His brain is most focused to relay what is foremost in his mind, the 'infant" life insurance policy. I don't know if JD intentionally killed little Ayla, but he sure as hell is intentionally going to capitalize from it!

ima.grandma said...

I forgot that JD didn't know Ayla as an infant. He didn't find out he had a daughter until she was seven months old, still a baby but not an infant. When he thinks 'infant', she is non-existent.