Saturday, March 10, 2018

Statement Analysis: Mark Cuban Phone Transcript



This is a marvelous opportunity to analysts and student analysts to practice learning Psycho-linguistic profiling.

  This is where Statement Analysis is done throughout a transcript, and then done a second time, with the known conclusion, developing four distinct elements;

The subject's 

1.  Background
2.  Experiences in life 
3.  Priority (priorities, motive) of this interview 
4.  Dominant Personalty Traits 

We are known by the words we choose.  

Psycho-linguistic profiling is based upon a thorough grasp and implementation of Statement Analysis.  The analysis must be rather complete, including a word by word breakdown.  

When this is done, the Analytical Question (s) is answered, and the analyst now seeks to identify the four elements above, based solely upon the subject's words.  

In this same method, a third analysis is done for "Anonymous Author Identification" in which we bombard the statement with questions.  

The media that reported this states it is "excerpts" of the complete call.  It is, however, enough to get a strong insight into the subject's personality and very likely, his history, in context of sexual abuse of women. 

The Analytical Question is:

Did Mark Cuban sexually assault the alleged victim?

The analyst seeks this answer before moving to the profiling realm. 

With psycho-linguistic profiling, the elements recognized are used to identify the author of an anonymous letter. 

The expectation of Deception Detection is 100% accuracy.  This is not simply the goal of Statement Analysis, but is routinely reported by investigators and analysts in training. 

The expectation of Content Analysis is 80% (what happened, small details).  This is where the investigator not only knows if the subject did it, but often when he did it, where he did it and why he did it.  It means going into an investigation with acute focus.  It not only saves time, but often causes superiors to embrace training, and leads to promotion. 

The expectation of Psycho-linguistic Profiling is 70% accuracy.  

This is almost always enough to cause the investigator to learn the identity of the author. It sometimes directly identifies the author, or it will narrow it down to the point of readily identifying the author during the investigation, itself.  

PL Profiling is not the reading of crime scenes, nor is it a deduction from percentages. Its accuracy identifies anonymous authors.  When it is needed for investigations, it tells the investigator how to both strategize and conduct the interview.  When you know your target, the use of Analytical Interviewing brings admissions and confessions.  The confidence, alone, unnerves the guilty.  

Hyatt Analysis Services Training Seminars as well as at home study course. The training in Statement Analysis must be complete to move into profiling. 

Experiences;

It has been rare that the analysis has differed from polygraph results.  
On these rare  occasions, confessions were obtained. 

On one occasion, the analysis differed from the forensics testified to, which cleared a subject of murder.  

The analysis stated that the subject committed the murder, and gave his motive. The analysis also gave the subject's history and experiences, which were, initially, contradicted by his record. 

The subject was convicted and an admission was obtained. 

"From the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks."  There is no greater indicator of truth than our words.  

1.  Did the subject sexually assault the alleged victim?

2.  What do you know about the subject?

 Use the four elements with specific linguistic evidence.  No guess work nor intuition.  


Analysis results to be posted later. 


Case #11-38677
June 8, 2011
Mark Cuban: This is Mark.
Brendan McGuire: This is Mark Cuban? Good afternoon. This is Detective McGuire with the Portland police.
Cuban: Hi, Detective McGuire. How are you?
McGuire: I'm good. How are you?
Cuban: Um, you tell me. [laughs]
***
McGuire: Were you ever at a nightclub or bar that had like a tent set up out in…?
***
Cuban: Why? What's the situation?
McGuire: Well, there's a gal who is alleging that you did some inappropriate touching while at that club.
Cuban: Are you serious?
McGuire: Unfortunately, yeah.
Cuban: I mean the bar was packed. There were people around us the whole time. How could I inappropriately touch anybody?
McGuire: Well, that's the allegation. I take it…
Cuban: There were people taking pictures left and right.
McGuire: Do you have any recollection of any of those particular instances taking pictures with anybody?
Cuban: No. I mean, I take pictures all night long. Look, there was a bunch of, there were multiple athletes there. There were a bunch of players there.
McGuire: Who else was there?
Cuban: Um, Kevin Love, there were a bunch of people there, and I don't want to put out names. I mean, there were a lot of people there.
McGuire: OK.
Cuban: Look, I'm, I'm, I'm not gonna sit here, I, how did she say I touched her? Look, people, people hug me. People grab me. People grab onto me all the time.
McGuire: Sure.
Cuban: And it wouldn't shock me if, you know, I like put my arm around somebody or, I mean, but I inappropriately touched? Like in what manner?
McGuire: Well, I'll tell you what the allegation is. And, of course, keep in mind, Mr. Cuban, that I'm not sitting here talking to you, accusing you of anything.
Cuban: No, I understand that. You're just doing your job. I understand that.
McGuire: Right. The allegation is that she came up to you to get some pictures taken and while sort of doing [an] arm around each other picture-taking thing, you stuck your hand down the back of her pants and inserted your finger into her vagina.
Cuban: Oh! Hell no! You don't think a hundred people would've noticed?
McGuire: Entirely possible. But I suppose it's entirely possible, depending on how crowded it was and how many people were around, that no one would notice…
Cuban: How would I get, I mean, she wouldn't say something right there and then and smack the shit out of me? And while we're…oh hell no. [laughs] Are you kidding me?
***
Cuban: I mean, how do I deal with something like this? If someone just makes an accusation like this?
McGuire: Um, well, pretty much my preference, of course, how to deal with it would be to talk to me just like you're doing.
***
Cuban: So how do I deal with something like this? I mean, why would she wait a mon—I mean, why wouldn't people, why wouldn't she just react right there? You know? I mean, and, and have her boyfriend or whatever beat the shit out of me if I did something stupid like that. You know?
McGuire: I think there's a possibility that just you and your situation can, could be intimidating to some folks.
***
Cuban: [laughs] OK, well, you know what I'm saying, though, right? There would be some reaction. You know? I mean, I just, I don't know what…aw fuck. I don't know what to say.
McGuire: Well, I think you pretty much said it. You're categorically denying any of this ever happened. Am I understanding that correctly?
Cuban: Yeah. That's correct.
***
McGuire: Do you know how much you had to drink that night?
Cuban: Yeah, I mean, I wasn't sloshed but I wasn't sober either.
McGuire: OK.
Cuban: But, I mean, but I remember the night. It's not like I don't remember anything.
McGuire: So, but there's not, it's not a situation where you could've done something that you aren't aware of?
Cuban: I can't imagine. Not like that, 'cause that's not my nature. No way, and if I was drunk, I wouldn't have been, you know, had the ambidexterity or whatever you call it to do it. [laughs] I don't even know how you'd pull that off in the first place. You know?
McGuire: OK.
Cuban: Oh my God, this is just [going to] kill me if she does something. I mean, I just, there would've been all these people around. There was tons of people around. I kept on not even head butting but chest bumping Kevin Love right there. There's tons of people, all those bartenders right there were talking to me the whole time. I was not alone at all with anybody.
McGuire: Did Kevin Love leave with you?
Cuban: Yeah, 'cause we all went on, I mean, we all went on this bus.
McGuire: Right.
Cuban: And there was another lady there, Lindsey McCormick. That's who brought us there. She's a Blazer reporter.
***
Cuban: I put my finger in her vagina?! Are you kidding me?
McGuire: Is there anyone that you can think of that may have been around you that I should talk to who…
Cuban: What are they gonna say? I mean, no, I mean, I can bring you…oh man! Did she do this to try to get money?
McGuire: At this point, I don't think so. But then again, I don't know.
Cuban: I mean, how do you defend against something like that?
***
McGuire: I have seven cellphone pictures.
Cuban: And where are my hands in here? There were probably on her shoulder, right?
McGuire: Well, there are two pictures. I will tell that you can't see your hands in any of them. Frankly, the cellphone picture quality is not good enough to do that. There are two pictures that do appear to have your shoulder dipping and your arm sort of, if you follow the direction of it, down below her waist.
Cuban: Are you kidding me?
McGuire: No.
Cuban: 'Cause I always make a point to show my ring finger whenever I take pictures with girls. My left hand.
***
McGuire: Well, anyway, back to where this usually would go is, I would talk to everyone, gather as much evidence as we can, and like I said, at this point, it's just a matter of talking to people. I've got the cellphone pictures and such.
Cuban: But there's no way that anybody is ever going to say or know. It would've happened right then if they would've seen or known something. They would've stood up. I mean, anybody can make this shit up.
McGuire: That is also true. I will certainly concede that. And then once I've conducted as thorough an investigation as I can, our district attorney would look at it and make a decision if they thought there was enough evidence for a prosecution.
Cuban: And what's your gut feel?
McGuire: At this point, I can't tell you that. And I can't really ethically tell you that anyway.
Cuban: Oh that's fine. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. That's fine. She said I stuck my finger up her crack or crotch?
McGuire: Yeah.
***
Cuban: Unbelievable. Unbelievable. I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't. I'm just gonna be like a pariah no matter what. Oh Lord. Why did this shit happen? Do you have any advice, any suggestions, Detective?
McGuire: I don't. Um, you know my advice for folks in these situations obviously always is, if nothing happened then to be…
Cuban: Right. Nothing happened, but when you're high profile, it doesn't, it's never just about nothing happening.
McGuire: Absolutely. And unfortunately it's not really my place to offer that sort of advice. What my role is to try and get as near to the truth as I can. And…
Cuban: There was no way to prove the truth…Oh Lordy. Unbelievable. Unbelievable.
McGuire: Do you have any, well, any questions that I can answer at this point?
Cuban: I don't know. I don't know what to answer. I mean, I mean, OK, it's like, "Oh he just did it one time, only one time. Just happened to be this girl." There's no way to know one way or the other.
***
Cuban: I get people pulling my head, you know, "I want to tell you something," and they wrap their arms around me and…you know, grab my cro—whatever. Just people just, you know, I mean, it's gonna happen all the time, but just over the course of time, people just do weird stuff.
McGuire: Sure, sure. Nothing that particularly stands out from that night, though?
***
Cuban: And what is the law? What are the consequences on that?
McGuire: Well, if what she is alleging were true, then under Oregon law, let's see, that would be a sex abuse in the second degree, which is a felony. It's the lowest-level felony there is, but it is a felony. And basically, the legal definition of that is penetration without someone's consent but not any force or threats or anything like that.
Cuban: Right.
McGuire: And then as far as the consequences, I mean, that obviously that's way down the road, possibly farther than we could even look. It's all kind of things could happen.
Cuban: Oh my Lord. Oh my fucking Lord. Oh, that's what you get for being nice.
***
Cuban: I mean, wouldn't she have said something to somebody?
McGuire: Well, according to her, she did. According to her, she immediately told her friends she was with, her boyfriend, and then basically that started a whole several-day argument as to what they should do about it. Before they actually decided to talk to us.
Cuban: There's just no way. There's just no way. Just no way. If she told five friends right there and then, then that's what they're gonna tell the judge and I'm gonna be fucked. Oh my God. [sighs] I don't know what to do.
McGuire: Well, unfortunately, I can't help you with that.
***
Cuban: Fuck me! I'm so fucked.
***
McGuire: My plan is to be getting back in touch with you within a week. So probably early next week. And at any point, you have my number and my email. You can…
Cuban: Sure.
McGuire: …get in touch with me.
Cuban: I'm just fucked.
McGuire: So, and then at that point, if you are interested in sitting down and chatting, we can arrange…
Cuban: I'm happy to do whatever it takes. I just, how can I prove a negative?
McGuire: Right. Right. So OK, well, thank you for your time, Mr. Cuban.
Cuban: I appreciate it.

Analysis Results:  


64 comments:

General P. Malaise said...

I am on it, in the meantime here is a summary.

Cuban: I'm just fucked.

Habundia Awareness said...

I was thinking about polygraph tests.
It is said some people are able to 'pass' the test, although they weren't truthful.
It is said that those people passed the test because they 'beat' it.
I was wondering.......could these people pass the test because the wrong questions were asked (by not using the subjects own language for example)

Like is was watching a dr phil episode some time ago in which 4 woman (his 3 stepdaughers and his own daughter) claimed they had been abused as a child by this man. The (step)father of course denied the accusation. Therefore dr. Phil asked the man to do a polygraph.
The question they asked him was; did you ever touch Amber for a sexual reason?.......his anwser was no......did you ever touch Amber for a sexual reason when she was a child?.....his anwser was no. Did you ever touch Jessica for a sexual reason?....his anwser was no. Did you ever touch Jessica for a sexual reason when she was a child? his answer was no.......the result was.......non deceptive.....he was telling the truth.

The man himself though during the whole episode admitted he did have 'biting' plays and 'tickle fights'
So was it they just asked him the wrong questions so he could pass? Or did he beat the test for other reason? Or was he really telling the truth and did 4 woman tell lies?

Habundia Awareness said...

https://www.drphil.com/videos/man-accused-of-molesting-stepdaughters-gets-results-of-polygraph-exam/
Here you can find the clip of the questions of the polygraph
Forgot to add it.

Anonymous said...

He needs to clarify what 'biting' plays and 'tickle fights' on his subjective dictionary.
"Dr" Phil also needs to clarify his language ("Did you ever touch Jessica for a sexual reason when she was a child?") Etc..

Lucia D said...

Cuban answers many of the detective's questions with questions. His priority is to find out what the evidence against him is. He also attempts to ingratiate himself with the detective and persuade him he (Cuban) is a good guy who was just "being nice". He also seems to be trying to convince himself that "there was no way to prove the truth". Interesting that he used "was" rather than "is". I do believe he committed the alleged assault. Look forward to reading your analysis.

Amyl Nitrite said...

He didn’t make a reliable denial. All through his wordy talk with police, he didn’t formulate the words “I didn’t put my finger in her vaagina”. He is a dirty scum.

Saint Theresa said...

The detective didn't ask him outright if he put his finger in her vagina.

I don't know if I think he's guilty. The detective didn't ask any real
Questions.

mom2many said...

Is this leakage? An admission?

Mark Cuban: I put my finger in her vagina?!

Lucia D said...

I think the detective could have done a better job asking questions. At one point he put words in Cubans mouth “so you categorically deny...”

Saint Theresa said...

Exactly. This wasn't a real interview imo. Anyone can accuse anyone of anything. And a rich famous person is a golden target for anyone looking for a payday. I'm not saying some of these rich famous people aren't entitled Sh?tbags that use their power and status to take advantage. Mark Cuban doesn't strike me as the typical pervert abuser. I know very little about him and less about the accuser. But there is a growing issue in this country and this is a prime example. He's hasn't been charged or convicted of anything and yet people are calling him "scum" and so forth. From what little I know, Cuban has been pretty charitable and shows care for fellow people in the USA. Yet, some one accuses him of something pretty hard to see happening (being vaginally penetrated, clothed, from the rear, while surrounded by a crowed of people) Theres pictures apparently. I'd like to see the accusers facial expressions while this supposed crime was being committed.

Anyway, there is no victim here yet. People have to stop giving 100% trust and support to ACUSSERS (not victims) in cases such as this. The man doesn't deserve to labeled scum and so on because of accusation.

Saint Theresa said...

Wouldn't you be asking a ton of questions if a detective called you with a similar case?

swati said...

There are a lot of broken/incomplete sentence....which indicates MC is withholding some information.

At no point, he issues a reliable denial - "I did not do it". The only time he denies is when Det. McG asks him if he is denying and MC parrots detective's words back.

He constantly asks the police about evidence and next course of action from Police....trying to establish a rapport and get information as to much they have on him and how much trouble he could possibly be in.

MC asks many times "Why girl didn't punch him....why his boyfriend didn't punch him". These look like genuine thoughts MC probably had himself. There may be a bit victim blaming here - "Why didn't YOU do anything IF you were bothered by it."

MC shows guilty knowledge on 2 occasions. Det McG never revealed identity of the woman who filed complaint. Yet MC seems to know a lot about her - that she had a boyfriend. At no point he tries to find who filed a case against him...means he knows the accuser's identity. Also, he gives additional information about 'showing his ring hand....LEFT HAND'. Det. McG gave no information about which hand did the alleged crime. This is 'additional information' given by MC.

Saint Theresa said...

Problem with your post is there is no victim. There is an accuser.

General P. Malaise said...

Blogger Saint Theresa said...
Wouldn't you be asking a ton of questions if a detective called you with a similar case?


Mark Cuban, should have asked certain questions after the detective told him it was regarding inappropriate touching, he didn't ask in an expected manner. the detective did a fairly decent job of the interview (IMO) could have been better. He let Cuban talk and that is good for SA.

Cuban didn't make a reliable denial in the entire interview. he might not of asked for specifics because he knows what he did, he shows deception. later in the interview he asks questions to find out what he is up against and not in my opinion because he did not know which projects guilty knowledge.

he basically acknowledges guilt at the end of the interview when he he states "I'm f$%ked."

ima.grandma said...

Cuban: And it wouldn't shock me if, you know, I like put my arm around somebody or, I mean, but I inappropriately touched? Like in what manner?
McGuire: Right. The allegation is that she came up to you to get some pictures taken and while sort of doing [an] arm around each other picture-taking thing, you stuck your hand down the back of her pants and inserted your finger into her vagina.
Cuban: Oh! Hell no! You don't think a hundred people would've noticed?
Cuban: How would I get, I mean, she wouldn't say something right there and then and smack the shit out of me? And while we're…oh hell no. [laughs] Are you kidding me?

He knew, all along, the allegation of sexual impropriety, but specifics have been withheld from him during the initial inquiry. Though he states there were a hundred people there and he took many photos, he seems to know exactly who is making the allegation. Eventually, the allegation's specifics are introduced.  Once the allegation is clearly known, it is expected a reliable denial would be stated: I did not stick my finger into her vagina or I did not stick my hand down her pants. There is then a subtle shifting of responsibility away from himself, towards the accuser. (Perhaps she did not immediately react due to a 'freeze' of shock.)

McGuire: So, but there's not, it's not a situation where you could've done something that you aren't aware of?
Cuban: I can't imagine. Not like that, 'cause that's not my nature. No way, and if I was drunk, I wouldn't have been, you know, had the ambidexterity or whatever you call it to do it. [laughs] I don't even know how you'd pull that off in the first place. You know?

He doesn't answer the question of  what he could have done under intoxication but insists what he could not have done. He does say if he was drunk, then it would be physically impossible, he doesn't stick with the "it's not my nature", drunk or not.

McGuire: I have seven cellphone pictures.
Cuban: And where are my hands in here? There were probably on her shoulder, right?
McGuire: Well, there are two pictures. I will tell that you can't see your hands in any of them. Frankly, the cellphone picture quality is not good enough to do that. There are two pictures that do appear to have your shoulder dipping and your arm sort of, if you follow the direction of it, down below her waist.
Cuban: Are you kidding me?
McGuire: No.
Cuban: 'Cause I always make a point to show my ring finger whenever I take pictures with girls. My left hand.

Once evidence that may exist is brought to the surface, he again directs focus to how it is an impossible act to perform as he always shows his left hand in photos with "girls" yet he says 'they" were probably on her shoulder. Is he right or left handed?

Cuban: I'm happy to do whatever it takes. I just, how can I prove a negative?

Proving a negative is the premise of his defense, how he could not have done it. Not that he did not do it.

ima.grandma said...

There were people around us the whole time. Look, there was a bunch of, there were multiple athletes there. There were a bunch of players there. Um, Kevin Love, there were a bunch of people there, and I don't want to put out names. I mean, there were a lot of people there.

Though he doesn't want to put out names, he does align himself with Kevin Love as if he is declaring Love's character is a mirror of his own. I haven't heard of these people so I don't know why he specifically speaks of Love as part of "us" and the "bunch". There is a deliberate mentioning of Love's name but I don't know the motive.

Saint Theresa said...

I would be asking all the same questions. I would want to know why she didn't react if I supposedly did such a thing. Why her friends or boyfriend didn't react. At parties you kinda know who's there with who and I'd want to know why she or others in her entourage or friends didn't make any noise about it then or the days following.

This is a growing issue and I'm not the only person who thinks so. His words to me show a man totally freaked out that something so horrific was being presented to him in a phone call after much time has passed since the incident. And how the supposed incident happened in the first place. All his questions are not only valid but totally reasonable. If it were me I'd ask even more. Without even hearing his voice you can tell he is flabergasted.
I'm dying to see these pictures. Is the accuser smiling while being vaginally penetrated from the rear at the party ? Is she wincing? Is she showing discomfort? Is Cuban smiling devilishly? Is anyone behind them shocked? Is there anyone observing? And so on.

How does he get insults and the scumbag yet the accuser, not victim gets the benefit of the doubt? If this wasn't mark Cuban and was some schmuck from accounting making less than 60k a year trying to feed a family, this kind of accusation could ruin and destroy a mans life. Yet that doesn't matter to the public for some reason.
I see from Cubans words a frantic and shocked individual who is panicking and rightly so.

Saint Theresa said...

And yeah he says he's "f@cked" cause he isn't stupid. He knows better than most what an accusation such as this would do to him and any man.

Saint Theresa said...

And I just had my husband try to do the exact thing that Cuban is accused of on me. My jeans aren't too tight but I'm sure the fit would be about the same as any young lady in a sports bar out for a night.

It wasn't possible for him to get close to my vagina without making it supremely obvious.

ima.grandma said...

St. Theresa, I do agree with several of your points. There are too many false #metoo exaggerated stories and it is those accusations that can ruin a man and his family's reputation and lives. Yet, I have a difficult time getting past the lack of a reliable denial.

Habundia Awareness said...

He did assault the alleged victim………..in his own words: “I put my finger in her vagina!”

He’s trying to be the ‘good guy’ (Hi, Detective McGuire. How are you?)

“Were you ever at a nightclub or bar that had like a tent set up out in…?”
He immediately knows about which nightclub or bar the officer asks. Instead of answering with ‘yes I were’ he’s answering with a question (makes the question being sensitive to him)

“Well, there's a gal who is alleging that you did some inappropriate touching while at that club.”
“Are you serious?” (again answering with a question. As if a officer would talk to one and ask them these questions if they weren’t serious?)
He does not say he did not touch anyone inappropriately. He does not give a reliable denial of the accusation.

‘I take pictures all night long.’
If he would be the one ‘taking’ pictures ‘all night long’ he wouldn’t have time to pose for a picture….still he posed for them. He wasn’t taking pictures he was posing for the pictures being taken by others (left and right…….not front and back, yet he claims ‘people were around us the whole time……..who’s us?

He doesn’t want to put out names…….yet he reveals the name ‘Kevin Love’ (is that the us he’s referring to?)

“I'm, I'm, I'm not gonna sit here”
He’s telling us what’s in the negative….he’s not gonna sit here, yet he does sit here because he wants to know what exactly is been alleged…..sensitivity rises because of repeating ‘I’m” 3 times.
Then he’s trying to get information (how did she say I touched her?)
‘I touched her’ (admission?)

"Look, people, people hug me. People grab me. People grab onto me all the time."
Do people stick their finger into his ass, while posing for a picture? And those who grab his cro….(crotch?) are those females

"McGuire: Do you have any recollection of any of those particular instances taking pictures with anybody?
Cuban: No. I mean, I take pictures all night long. Look, there was a bunch of, there were multiple athletes there. There were a bunch of players there."

No, on its own would have been strong. He has the need to explain why he does not have ‘any recollection of any of those particular instances’
Would he be taking pictures with ‘a bunch of….multiple athletes and a bunch of players’? Or would he been (posing) for pictures with fans and would others be the ones who ‘take pictures’? Or would that have been these athletes and players which he ‘took pictures’ of? Or would it be the kind of 'selfie' pictures?

Habundia Awareness said...

“And it wouldn't shock me if, you know, I like put my arm around somebody or, I mean, but I inappropriately touched? Like in what manner?”
He tells us what’s in the negative ‘it wouldn’t shock me’ (has he done this in the past? That it wouldn’t shock him someone making such a allegation?)
Yet he still doesn’t give us a reliable denial that he did not inappropriately touched anyone, in specific the one who’s making the allegation.

‘No I understand that. You’re just doing your job. I understand that.’
The ‘good guy’.

‘The allegation is that she came up to you to get some pictures taken and while sort of doing [an] arm around each other picture-taking thing, you stuck your hand down the back of her pants and inserted your finger into her vagina.”

I wouldn’t call this act, ‘inappropriate’ …..I call this an assault…..inappropriate would be touching a woman’s breasts or slap her bottom…..inserting a finger into a vagina is much more then ‘inappropriate’.

“Oh! Hell no! You don't think a hundred people would've noticed?
Again no reliable denial. Answering with a question in the negative. (would that be double sensitive? Maybe even triple, include no reliable denial?)

“I mean, how do I deal with something like this? If someone just makes an accusation like this?”
If it didn’t happen, just say it didn’t happen.

“But, I mean, but I remember the night. It's not like I don't remember anything.”
He knows exactly what he did!

“McGuire: So, but there's not, it's not a situation where you could've done something that you aren't aware of?
Cuban: I can't imagine. Not like that, 'cause that's not my nature. No way, and if I was drunk, I wouldn't have been, you know, had the ambidexterity or whatever you call it to do it. [laughs] I don't even know how you'd pull that off in the first place. You know?”
“I can’t imagine, not like that, that’s not my nature, I wouldn’t have been…I don’t even know”

….again he tells us in the negative what ‘is not’.

I looked up the word ‘ambidexterity’ (a tongue breaker, yet he chooses to use it)
It means ‘one who is able to use both hands for writing for example’ (or to be able to stick a finger into a vagina with both hands)……. he choose this word, which many people probably didn’t even know it existed……I never heard of it before, so I bet I am not the only one. But he had this word in his vocabulary (one who has this ability could maybe be aware of the word for it)

Habundia Awareness said...

“Cause I always make a point to show my ring finger whenever I take pictures with girls. My left hand.”

It would be interesting to know which side was ‘shoulder dipping’ on the two pictures that the officer refers to.
( I went looking for pictures of him with girls to see his ‘ring finger of his left hand’…..haven’t found a picture yet where he ‘show’s his ring finger……on some pictures it even seems he isn’t wearing a ring at all on his left hand.)
It is not impossible to stuck a hand in the back of someone’s pants and insert ones finger into a vagina in a full packed location without anyone noticing and for some guys it isn’t something they find very difficult to do……a matter of seconds.
Did he just asked the officer if he knew how to ‘pull that off’?

@Saint Teressa........maybe your husband isn't that skilled in doing that......ive met men in my past who were able to do that in just seconds, because they thought it was 'fun' although they were my boyfriends at the time, not always have i been amused by such an act. Some men can take of a bra in seconds too, while others need minutes to do so.......it has to do with 'skills' I guess.

“Do you have any, well, any questions that I can answer at this point?
Cuban: I don't know. I don't know what to answer. I mean, I mean, OK, it's like, "Oh he just did it one time, only one time. Just happened to be this girl." There's no way to know one way or the other.”

He doesn’t listen anymore, he’s only thinking how to safe his ass because he ‘just one time choose the wrong girl!

“McGuire: Well, according to her, she did. According to her, she immediately told her friends she was with, her boyfriend, and then basically that started a whole several-day argument as to what they should do about it. Before they actually decided to talk to us.
Cuban: There's just no way. There's just no way. Just no way. If she told five friends right there and then, then that's what they're gonna tell the judge and I'm gonna be fucked. Oh my God. [sighs] I don't know what to do.”

He’s right……….he’s gonna be fucked!
He knows who has made the accusations and knows he needs help for his time in court! He knows what he did.
Nobody told him she was with 5 friends, only that she told her friends immediately. He already knew she was having a boyfriend yet it was not said who made the accusation.
He’s already thinking of court…….even though he’s only been accused of a sexual assault. Yet he still doesn’t give a reliable denial and is seeking help for himself.

There was no way to prove the truth……
he has thought about it so it 'how to best avoid being caught', still he could show of his ‘power’, ‘control’, ‘high profile’
He has done this before to women, until now he’s been able to get away with it because the victims for whatever reason didn’t open up about it.

Lucia D said...

Peter please share your analysis!

mom2many said...

A lot of posters are assuming he knew the identity of the accuser without being told, but the intro to the statement points out these are excerpts. It is logical to me that the revelation of the accuser might be redacted from the call. So, he might not have immediately known who it was. We just don't have the full statement to make that judgment.

Anonymous said...

Ambidexterity is not an uncommon word.

Trigger said...

"I don't know even know how you'd pull that off in the first place. You know"?

This is not a reliable denial. He is not saying that he doesn't know how to sexually abuse a woman in a crowded room as the victim states. He asks the investigator if he understands how this cannot happen as the accuser/victim states. He asks how "you'd pull that off" not how he, himself, would "pull that off".

It is the most important question in Mark's mind. "In the first place" That the detective understands and believes that Mark does not "know even know" how to "pull that off" in a room full of people.







Lucia D said...

I believe Cuban meant dexterity, rather than ambidexterity. But even if so doesn't change the analysis.

Anonymous said...

Lucia DMarch 12, 2018 at 12:23 AM
I believe Cuban meant dexterity, rather than ambidexterity. But even if so doesn't change the analysis.

Don't interpret

Anonymous said...

He mentioned a boyfriend, could that mean he is remembering the incident?

Habundia Awareness said...

@mom2many A lot of posters are assuming he knew the identity of the accuser without being told, but the intro to the statement points out these are excerpts. It is logical to me that the revelation of the accuser might be redacted from the call. So, he might not have immediately known who it was. We just don't have the full statement to make that judgment.

March 11, 2018 at 9:42 PM

You say 'a lot of posters are assuming'.........aren't you doing the same by saying that 'the accuser might be redacted from the call?

I don't see when this redaction would have taken place. Most calls.interviews that are being redacted mention the moments that are redacted in a transcript (like names of people, addresses and other personal information)
This transcript doesn't mention redaction of names........so i would think you should not assume that either then.

Anonymous said...
He mentioned a boyfriend, could that mean he is remembering the incident?

March 12, 2018 at 3:11 AM

“But, I mean, but I remember the night. It's not like I don't remember anything.”
"Cuban: There's just no way. There's just no way. Just no way. If she told five friends right there and then, then that's what they're gonna tell the judge and I'm gonna be fucked."

To me those two sentences say he knows exactly what this interview is all about and he exactly knows who the woman is who is making the accussion ........he doesn't need a name, he knows.

Blogger Lucia D said...
I believe Cuban meant dexterity, rather than ambidexterity. But even if so doesn't change the analysis.

March 12, 2018 at 12:23 AM
Even dexterity isn't a word i am familiar with. But it could be he maybe meant this. Still this word he choses is longer then the word you say he maybe meant. So it would take 'more' time to produce it in you head i would think? (if both words are 'not uncommon'.

I can't wait till Peter gives us his analysis so he can enlight us
Although it maybe isnt an uncommon word like anonymous said......i never heard of it before (then again English isn't my main language so maybe that's why i am not familiar with these words).......to me it isn't a word that often is used by the average person.

Habundia Awareness said...

http://beverlyhillsbranche.blogspot.nl/2008/11/maverick-mark-cuban-in-crisis.html

I don't see a ring! LMAO

mom2many said...

I made no assumption, hence the use of "might" leaving open the possibility that it "might not" have been redacted. We are told this is not the entire conversation. It is reasonable to take into consideration that information is missing with what is removed.

Saint Theresa said...

Your man must have small dainty lady hands.

Augusta Serendipity said...

CLEARLY, he knows exactly when this happened:

"why would she wait a mon—I mean, why wouldn't people, why wouldn't she just react right there?"

AND who was with her (confirmed later by the officer:

"I mean, and, and have her boyfriend or whatever beat the shit out of me"

BUT, we could just use his embedded admission:

"I put my finger in her vagina?!"

Augusta Serendipity said...

Habundia Awareness,

He said he "shows his ring finger" in photos...

He never said he wears a ring on the finger.

Augusta Serendipity said...

Saint Theresa,

When I was in my first year of high school, an older student did this to me. I was completely inexperienced, and did not know what to do and say. I know I turned red, and got away from him, but never told anyone. This happened in the school hallway and the guy was dating a friend of mine.

ima.grandma said...

Augusta, thank you for sharing your experience. I believe it can easily be done with secrecy though tons and bunches of people are surrounding. It was a baller event attended by celebrities and star athletes. Parties include dark overall lighting interspersed with flashing lights setting up the atmosphere tailored for drinking, partying, and dancing.

General P. Malaise said...

mom2many said...
A lot of posters are assuming he knew the identity of the accuser without being told,


he may not have known her name but linguistically he indicates he knows who made the complaint and what he did probably matches the allegation. no direct or reliable denial and concern about the consequences as well as asking for help from the detective on how mitigate. not indicative of innocence.

Anonymous said...

Dexterity is not an uncommon word. Perhaps if English is not your native language, then it may seem uncommon to you.

mom2many said...

General P. Malaise,
My point was not whether he knew the identity of the accuser. Clearly he did. My point was that several comments emphasized he knew details about the accuser before she was identified to him, but this is a conclusion which is logically unsupportable since we do not know from this sample whether she was named in one of the portions that was removed, and who first named her. It is common to offer an accuser anonymity, and thus it is not unreasonable to suppose that she may have been named in one of the portions of the transcript subsequently removed before distributing to the public.

ima.grandma said...

Fair and sensible counter-argument, m2m.

Saint Theresa said...

I'm sorry that happened to you but I wish you'd have told someone. This guy prob went on to to hurt more women. What kind of pants were you wearing?

ima.grandma said...

Question one: Did the subject sexually assault the alleged victim?
Yes.

ima.grandma said...

Thinking...Does it really matter if her name was told to him? Chances are she was in attendance to an advertised by-word-of-mouth celebrity party. It's not inconceivable that he would not remember an insignificant wannabe's name, especially with the high volume of people, along with his admitted drinking. He was fully aware of his unfortunate 'slip' into someone's pants. He knew where the Detective was going to go with her questioning.

ima.grandma said...

^ his questioning.

Come on Peter, give it up. What is the known conclusion?  This SA example experientially bothers me. As the years of reading here accumulate, I intentionally don't further attempt to investigate as my purpose is learning SA on it's own merit. In this case, I went further than I wanted to and I did google the subject. I now have more self integrated feelings and assertions applicable to question two. Please opine and state your facts (statements) supporting the known conclusion, at your comfortableness. Thank you.

Habundia Awareness said...

@mom2many.....you are right it could be the information missing showing the identity of the accuser, it would be imporatant than were this information entered (was deleted) this transcript does show some **** between parts, not sure if these are the moment's that have been deleted from the transcript.
It's right after these **** that the detective says: "Well, there's a gal who is alleging that you did some inappropriate touching while at that club."
Which to me indicates that between 'hi how are you and this sentence' wasn't mentioned about who the detective was talking....'there's A gal'.....if her name was already revealed she wouldn't be 'a gal' anymore. (still wonder why the detective used the word 'gal' instead of girl or woman.

@Augusta Serendipity....you are right he didn't said 'to show his ring'.....but he doesn't show his ring finger either on that picture (and on other pictures I have seen of him with "girls")
A good example of how easy it is to 'read' things that aren't said..... a lesson learned (for me haha)

The name of the detective is Brendan McGuire......thought it was a male's name....but i could be wrong.

Bottle Cap said...

1. Did the subject sexually assault the alleged victim? Yes

2. What do you know about the subject?
Narcissist, it's all about him.
- Unexpected response when police ask how he is "Um, you tell me. [laughs]"
- "Oh my God, this is just [going to] kill me if she does something."
- "Why did this shit happen?"

Enjoys getting away with something. He's a sicko, gets off on sexual assault in a crowd
- "How could I inappropriately touch anybody?"
- "You don't think a hundred people would've noticed?"
- "I don't even know how you'd pull that off in the first place."
- He prolonged the conversation with the detective, enjoying going over the crime again and again

Five hidden confessions:
- "...how did she say I touched her?"
- "And it wouldn't shock me if... I inappropriately touched?
- "I put my finger in her..."
- "..I stuck my finger up her..."?
- "OK, it's like, 'Oh he just did it one time, only one time. Just happened to be this girl.' There's no way to know one way or the other."

Ingratiating
- "You're just doing your job. I understand that."
- "So how do I deal with something like this?"
- "Do you have any advice, any suggestions, Detective?"
- "I'm happy to do whatever it takes."

Contempt for victim
- "Did she do this to try to get money?"

Puffing himself up
- Frequently refers to how much in demand, popular he is
- Multiple name dropping such as "I kept on not even head butting but chest bumping Kevin Love right there.

Bottle Cap said...

For those that say this is another #metoo, this happened in 2011.

Cuban hired expert witnesses, "...urologists at George Washington University Medical School, who made the rather bizarre claim he could not have sexually assaulted the woman because his hands were too big to penetrate her vagina."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5478223/Cuban-accused-sexually-assaulting-woman-2011.html

Although the detective found the photos significant, prosecutors did not file charges.

http://www.businessinsider.com/mark-cuban-sex-assault-allegation-2018-3

"Last month, Sports Illustrated published a report that described a Mavericks front office that was 'rife with misogyny and predatory sexual behavior: alleged public fondling by the team president; outright domestic assault by a high-profile member of the Mavs.com staff; unsupportive or even intimidating responses from superiors.'"

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-mark-cuban-alleged-assault-20180307-story.html

ima.grandma said...

"I kept on not even head butting but chest bumping Kevin Love right there".

Aggressive, tough, strong, cocky, a winner!

Celebrity status, name dropper, cult of personality

Intelligent, business savvy, negotiator, manipulative

Attentive, observant, careful, sly, impulsive 

Bottle Cap said...

Ugh, here he is with a minor. Where is his left hand?!
https://www.celebheights.com/s/Mark-Cuban-50633.html

ima.grandma said...

Bottle cap said...
Cuban hired expert witnesses, "...urologists at George Washington University Medical School, who made the rather bizarre claim he could not have sexually assaulted the woman because his hands were too big to penetrate her vagina."

Ok, I've already stated I googled Cuban's name. I read a couple of articles revealing he broke his right pinky (written as if self-diagnosed, choosing not to seek medical intervention, with regret), resulting in some level of dysfunction and/or deformity. I do recognize the body's ability to compensate for survival and function. If one finger isn't useful, the more dominate the replacement finger becomes.

Per Google, take it with a grain of salt: The pinky finger is the fifth digit of the hand and is the least often utilized of the five fingers. As the smallest digit, the pinky is located next to the ring finger. I wonder if this 'fact' was included in his 'thought process' as he took the polygraph. 

As several have mentioned his intentional use of ring finger,  could this be a pre-emptive part of his defense of proving how he could not have done it? My question wants me to learn more about Peter's assessment of the four elements of psycho-linguistics.

Saint Theresa said...

How are you even coming to that conclusion? The detective never outright asked him the most important question.

Mr. Cuban did you put your hand down -accusers name- pants and digitally penetrate her in front of others at the party?

You said " Did the subject sexually assault the alleged victim?" And then said "yes"...

No, you're wording is totally off. How can the "alleged victim" Be "alleged" anymore if you you've deemed and judged Cuban as a sexual criminal.

ima.grandma said...

The question was posed in Peter's originating post. I answered with my opinion. Fair enough?

Saint Theresa said...

Yeah it supposedly happened in 2011 and now the chick is coming out publicly yet anonymously.... see how this works?

ima.grandma said...
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ima.grandma said...

I'm sorry St. Theresa. I've deleted my unnecessary comment.

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Habundia said...

Who says she is anonymous? Just because her name isnt said (we dont know for sure it isnt because the transcript is not complete)
Who says she came out publicly?
She went to police to file a report on what had happened a month ago (from his words)
If the case is from 2011, and we only now find out about this conversation does that mean she came out publicly?

It was said "why didnt she act in the moment, when the act was happening?"
I guess the one asking this question has never been sexual assaulted. First of all is this question a form of victim blaming. Secondly not everyone has the strenght or power to react when such an assult happens. In this blog it already is said by some that she is making false accusations. While the accusesser in his own words exactly knows what he is accused of and what he did. So if 6 years after the fact she isnt believed then would anyone have believed her if she had said something when it happened?

And sure it is absolutly horrible when someone is making false accusations and the life of someone innocent is being ruined because of it. Both can ruin lives, though i am not so sure which of the two has a bigger impact on ones life, they are a different kind of "ruined" and to me agent compareble. The world has shot their eyes for millions of years and have done shit to protect against sexual assault.......its only for a couple of decades that there is done things to prevent, protect and most important of all....acknowlegde it exist and makes millions of victims each years........that sometimes someone is being falsly accused thats a risk that comes with it.
There have been thousands who have been able to get away with their assaults because of many reasons.....and made many more victims. Nobody should be falsly accused of sexual assaults, but it happens and it has happened long before #metoo.......still i have read more stories of victims with real experience of sexual assult then i have read of accusers who make false statements about a person (famous or not)
Those who do make false statement should be punished for it and should be somehow obligated by mandatory to do what is needed to help repair the life they ruined.

Saint Theresa said...

Ima grandma, no need to be sorry. You're input here is always valid and greatly appreciated. I didn't even see the comment and I'm almost positive it was in no way negative:)

Saint Theresa said...

Ito answer your questions. ....

I say shes anonymous, do you know here name or who she is? No. unless she outs herself she gets anonymity.

It's public and that's that.


You asked...it was said "why didnt she act in the moment, when the act was happening?"

I said that if I was Cuban I would be asking that no doubt And it's a totally valid question to ask especially if you're the one being accused! This Victim blaming is getting so out of hand. And I've been assaulted.
Not sexually assaulted. But that neither here or there. My heart goes out to anyone who has been truly sexually assaulted.

You said:
acknowlegde it exist and makes millions of victims each years........that sometimes someone is being falsly accused thats a risk that comes with it.

Who said it didn't exist? The last part of that statement is so ignorant and cruel I'm shocked that someone who obviously sees victims of sexual assault everywhere would say that. Yeah who cares if some guy gets his life's torn to pieces, his family in shambles, no job and the stink eye from his neighbors. It's totally worth it!!! Crazy talk.


You said : still i have read more stories of victims with real experience of sexual assult then i have read of accusers who make false statements about a person (famous or not)

Okay so just cause you read about that makes it right. Lol. Papers aren't writing articles on those who've been accused falsely. Not unless the poor human jumps off a building because their life was destroyed. Then maybe they get a article.

Mark Cuban passed a polygraph. Wonder if the accuser would.

Habundia said...

Could he have manipulated the polygraph taker, like he did with this interviewer?

Habundia Awareness said...

Who said 'who cares if some guy gets his life's torn to pieces.....' is totally worth it? Only you said it.
I never said falsly accused persons aren't victims. I never said it is totally worth it. That are your own words.
If you would read my reaction again you would read I said "And sure it is absolutly horrible when someone is making false accusations and the life of someone innocent is being ruined because of it. And the way they are ruined isn't compareble"

What I did say was with people coming open with their experience of sexual assault (or harrasment) that there is a risk someone is getting falsly accused.
It doesn't make it right. It is just fact.
I also said "Those who do make false statement should be punished for it and should be somehow obligated by mandatory to do what is needed to help repair the life they ruined."

Falsely accused didn't fall from the sky when #metoo started. It has happened long before it too. When numbers say that 1 out of 5 women and 1 out of 7 men is being sexualy abused in some way....i don't think the number of falsely accused victims, yes they are victims, is as high.
That doesn't make it right or, like you say i was suggesting, those are only your words.

Papers don't write about falsly accused.....some magazines do make articles about a falsely accused victim.......and there are more sources in this world to get information from then papers alone. So the subject has been written about......as much it is on a victim of sexual assault to speak up about what has happened to them.....so is it on the falsely accused to speak up (and it should be obligated by mandatory, as i said, for the one who made the false accusation to do what is needed to help repair what has been damaged)

Interesting readings about false allegations and it's victims
https://atixa.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Lisak-False-Allegations-16-VAW-1318-2010.pdf

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/24/opinion/sunday/sexual-assault-victims-lying.html

http://eprints.uwe.ac.uk/25256/1/False%20allegation%20paper%202%20October%202017.pdf

Nadine Lumley said...

Were you both drunk? Is your husband as fast and practiced and confident as Cuban is? Did your husband stick his hand down your pants when you had no time to prepare and it came out of the blue?

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