Tuesday, December 17, 2019

Missing: Heidi Broussard. Statement Analysis of Shane Carey


Notes from the analysis team on statements from fiancé, Shane Carey 

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The quotes were scattered by media, making it challenging to come to definitive conclusions. 

“After the book fair she called me around eight something. Err, on her way home from the book fair she said she spent $25, I was like that’s ok. 


a.     Time or “timing” is important to the subject. 
b.     Timing is repeated with “…on her way home” 
c.     she said she spent $25…” which is softer, two way communication 
d.     Note the change in categorizing of communicative language:  he reports what she said, but only classifies (“I was like…”) rather than continue the pattern. It is as if he is talking to himself on how he wants it to sound. This is a weak commitment that followed a strong commitment. This is a change. 
e.     The subject introduces money while his fiancé and newborn are missing. This is what is on his mind. Is this a subtle blaming of the victim while she is missing?  Money may have been a stress trigger for the subject, as well as having a new born.  Was this combination overwhelming? 
f.      Why? Magnanimous?  Does he need to be portrayed, while they are missing, as someone generous, kind, forgiving…? Is this the need to be portrayed as “the good guy” while his fiancé and baby are missing? 

 Financial stressor
New child care stressor 



told her I have to go cause I was on my way out, 

a.     “told” firmer, one way…is this way he categorized his communication before, rather than reporting what he said?  Argument? Argument over money? 
b.     The need to explain why he had to “go”
c.     Why would one need to “go” on a cell phone? 
d.     Note “told” is past tense, but “have” to is not.  Is he recounting what he told her?
e.     Note that it is not clear if the explanation was given to her, or to the audience. 
f.      “I was on my way out”--- out of the relationship? Out of the house? Out of the burden?



and err.. I told you I love you, bye. 


a.     We note the need to include this in his public statement. “I love you” and “bye” can sometimes reveal the time of death and possible last words said to the victim.
b.     The subject uses “told”---not “said”
c.     The subject speaks, not to the audience, nor does he quote himself, but speaks directly to the victim, “I told you”
d.     Is the subject reliving what he “told” her (not “said”)? 
e.     The need to include “bye” may indicate finality.  He did not say, “see you later…” which would indicate another time in the future where he would see her. 
Consider:  The opening sentence here "after" and on her way home" could be two separate events? The first was on the phone, the second possibly face to face? More detail around the timings of events, location and what exactly was said is needed.
f.      We further consider the context---she is missing and he could include anything (or not even address their conversation). Why the need to tell her “I love you” and “bye”? Consider that this was in the stronger “told” rather than something he said or he was
“like.” 
g.     With timing (and location) part of this, might he have spoken to her on the phone and told him that he was on his way and met up with her? 
h.     Was “told” used due to argument? (authority) 
i.      In this quote as well as others, the money appears to be a greater priority than the baby. This may be due to a dispute. 



And pretty much I worked all day till about one something, and then I got here around two.

a.     “pretty much”---what else did he do? 
b.     What happened between 1 and 2?  Commute? 

 I seen her car, walked upstairs.

Note that he “walked” upstairs.  He did not go upstairs, nor check upstairs, but he “walked” upstairs. This is to slow down the pace of the statement alerting us to possible stress to come. 

 She wasn’t here…, and her phone was off.

 So I thought she was at her friend’s house cause the friend lives in the same complex so she might be over there with herphone off so I thought nothing of it, but she was not back yet. So then I went and picked up my son from daycare and ahh… and brought him home and she, he didn’t finish his lunch, so he told me to grill it for him.”


“phone off”-----phones do not talk; people do---was she silenced?
“was not” is past tense but “yet” is present  
Why is it important to him to link “phone off” to being at a “friend’s” house? We note that the sex of the friend is unknown in context. 

She wasn’t “here”---- but he brought his son “home.”  Where was he when he spoke these words? 

Did he go someplace around the time of picking up his son? (just after?) 

“she” and “phone” (note that phones are “people” in analysis because people speak through them) are separated by the word “with” and the phone is “off.” 

Why the need to connect the phone being “off” with the “friend”?  Was this a signal of possible D/V? Argument? 

The subject’s movements should be examined. Did he go by the “friend’s” house? Was he in the area?

The gender of the friend may be important.  Jealousy? Solace? Was the missing mom a victim of D/V seeking protection at a friend’s house? 


"She is the most awesome person in the world."

Gender neutral

"She's a great person." 



the two women” to describe missing Heidi/Margot?  Another indication that sexual abuse must be explored. 

“I woke up, hit snooze, got a glass of water…”

Possible need to cleanse from guilt, sexual abuse reference, etc. 

“If you see an awesome mom out there…”

This is his description to help public find her.  

“Margot is the sweetest. She’s only 2, 3 weeks old. She’s got the cutest little pucker lips, gorgeous little baby. She couldn’t do anything mean.”

Language consistent with pedophilia----much discussion regarding possible child sexual abuse and projective language. 


Explore possible sexual abuse of the baby – see the description of Heidi and Margo as the  “two women” and see his morning wake up reference to “water”-- 

No name, no title, and no relationship to the subject (Shane Carey) 

We have a sexualized description of the baby, while a gender neutral and non descriptive
 mother (“look for an awesome mom”) 

Did he deny involvement?

Denial:  He ignores rather than denies involvement.  

I try to ignore that, I don’t how how to handle it. But I know it’s a question.  I just ignore it. I know its not true. It’s negative.”

A refusal to say, “I didn’t cause Heidi and Margo’s disappearance…” 

Note language of physicality in several quotes including "hit", "handle" 


I love you. Just please come home. We miss you,” said Shane Carey.

“Her car, everything’s at the house, everything, the baby stuff, everything. Nothing’s gone except her and the baby,”he said.

“If you see an awesome mom with a baby walking around or in a suspicious van or car or anything that looks suspicious, just please give somebody a call,” 

not helpful in a description on how to spot Heidi --hyperbole noted of adult---this should raise concern of a bad relationship. 

Her fiancé, Shane Carey, said his last words to her were “I love you” as he asked locals to help in the hunt for the “most giving person” and their teeny, tiny, lovable baby.”

She’s a great person — she needs to be backHer son needs her, I need her — her family needs her.”

I don’t know what else to do — it’s already the third day and it’s getting scary,” he said in the interview. “Not knowing what to do is the hardest part. 
don’t know where she’s at, I don’t know if she’s suffering

Expected question is "Where is she?" but there is no expectation of the question, "Is she suffering?"

This answer, in the negative, is very sensitive: "I don't know if she's suffering." 

Focus: 

I’m helpless, and that’s the worst feeling in the world.”

Worst than her "suffering"? 

Analysis Conclusion:

1.    Is the subject telling all that he knows about Heidi and Margo’s disappearance? 

      Team:  No. He is concealing information that is vital to the    case. 

2.     Does the subject use language consistent with Domestic Violence?

Team: Yes. Please note intrusion (and priority) of money as possible stressor, into his statement. Note also external stressor of new child care. Note also the nature of control in the language. 

3.    Does the language raise concerns about possible sexual abuse of the baby?
Team:  Yes

4.    Does the subject’s appear to facilitate the finding of the victims?
Team:  No 


5.    What does the language reveal about their relationship?

Team: poor, negative relationship between subject and Heidi. He distances himself from her and the baby. Personality includes a fragile ego, need to control and average IQ.  Likely under pressure in the home/work/finances, etc. 


6.    Does the subject’s language indicate guilt?

Team: Yes 

7.    Is the exact source of guilt known within the statements?

Team: No 


The subject appears to show guilt. This guilt could be for various reasons, including attendant or tangent crime. It could be from Domestic Violence, marital discord, substance abuse, sexual abuse or possible homicide. 

This means that if he did not cause her disappearance, he could have guilt over her disappearance due to domestic violence, sexual abuse, a dispute that led her to run off or encounter danger, etc. 

It also could be the guilt of a domestic homicide. 

8.    Can we conclude from the interview that Heidi and Margo are deceased?

Team: No, this is still Unknown --- a cleaner interview is needed though the team remained concerned. The skipping over time, withholding of information, distancing language,  and the repetition of the phone being "off" are all alarming. 

In statement analysis, "phones" are considered "persons" as phones (in communication) need people to speak.  He told us repeatedly about the phone being "off"--- even if someone would find the phone and turn it on to see if she sent text messages or tried to call. 

Of all the things he could have said, he included details important to him. 

He appears to lack self awareness when he speaks. 

In this sense, Heidi was silenced in his statement.


68 comments:

  1. Peter, Great analysis. I noticed sensitivity around the ATM when he said “even if she had $4.00 in the ATM, she would want to give it away” and then sniffled.
    I got a visual image of him trying to force her to empty out her bank account to him & there was only $4 in it so he flipped out and killed her. Im thinking he was probably demanding she give him money for drugs.
    $25 is also sensitive. I dont believe she really bought “three” (liars number) books, but he was angry about $25 that I think he expected to be in her bank account but she had spent it on something for the baby & so he couldnt buy his drugs.

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    1. I think there's a chance Heidi's fiance sold the baby to the woman who has been charged with Heidi's murder. Money does seem to be an extremely sensitive issue for him. As unhinged a solution it seems to the vast majority of us, drug addicts resort to some of the most bizarre and desperate solutions to fund their habit. I worked for a number of years as a psychologist in a state alcohol and drug service, and I have seen it all. Children go without clothes, a safe place to live and food on the table so that their gene donors can get their fix, and in extreme cases, they're prostituted out by them. It's an ugly world.

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  2. From the interview peter originally posted.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WT-7x9wV0g

    About 8 minute mark:

    “By the time she drops them off I`m like getting in my trucks around like 7:40, 7:45 and we always make contact like right before I get in my truck, and then go to work. They just went to the book fair and they just bought three books. It’s like $25 err… She couldn’t wait to read to err… Silas, whenever she err… whenever Silas got home. We just bought three brand new books which is right here inside the house. And err… that’s the last time I actually made contact with her.”

    “They [just] went to the book fair and they [just] bought three books”

    [We] just bought three [brand new books] which is right here [inside the house].

    “And err… that’s the last time I [actually] made contact with her.”

    The interview was 2/3 days after disappearance which makes me question his use of the word “just” in relation to going to the book fair. I believe through my analysis of other parts of the interview that Shane is using “just” to minimise who went to the book fair. He is saying “it was only them” meaning Heidi, Margot and Silas. Could he have gone with or met them there. Below is from earlier in the interview:

    “It was around 6:40 whenever I got them up, [cause] its Heidi’s first day to [actually] take Margot err… [by herself] with err, Silas.”

    He wants us to believe it was her first day to take the kids alone. That means she wasn’t alone on previous days and I want to know who went with her, was it Shane? It could be his way of telling the listener I wasn’t with her that morning.

    “They” bought the books changes to “we” bought. Note two things of importance to Shane. First the books are “brand new” and second they are “inside the house”. The books being inside the house would suggest that Heidi returned home after the book fair. As far as I am aware no one can confirm that. As far as Shane goes if it looks like Heidi made it home it would provide him a stronger alibi (in his mind), and may be crucial at a later time in the investigation if he has trouble proving his whereabouts at a particular time. He can place her at home at a time he can provide an alibi for.

    Shane uses the word “actually” when referencing the last time he made contact with her. We expect him to tell us “that’s the last time I made contact with her”, but he includes the comparative word “actually” into his language. We know he is making a comparison but first we listen to what he is telling us.

    “I`m like getting in my trucks around like 7:40, 7:45 and we always make [contact] like right before I get in my truck”

    He uses “contact” to describe a phone call. Note we now know contact does not mean he saw her, only that he spoke to her by phone. We can now decipher the meaning of his last statement:

    “And err… that’s the last time I actually made [contact] with her.”

    The phone call was the last “phone contact” he had with, but we see by his use of “actually” he is comparing it against something else. It is likely he is comparing the phone contact against other contact he had with her that morning. His statement sounds strong and the listener may conclude that was the last time he saw her, but he does not tell us that, only that it was the last phone contact he had with her.

    It is possible Heidi never made it home from the book fair that morning. Shane earlier in the interview tells us it was the first time Heidi was going to take Silas to school alone and may have introduced the idea as it is sensitive to him. He needs people to think she was alone. He tells us the books were “brand new” and “inside the house” which suggests he may have handled them and brought them into the house. This would make it look like Heidi had got home when she hadn’t creating the illusion she was alive longer than she actually was. This would help Shane with an alibi.

    Adrian.

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  3. He said "if you see her in a van"

    Doesn't he work at a moving van company?

    I'm thinking this might be leakage he put her in one of the moving vans and then disposed of her and the baby.

    I keep returning visually to the ATM, the "she would give to anyone even if she only had $4 in her bank account"....in my mind this is what I see: he wanted her money from the ATM, he knew there wasn't much, maybe $25, but he needed it for heroin, she argued with him because she needed it to buy diapers, formula, for the baby,(or she had already used it for that, or maybe she did spend $25 on 3 books, he forced her to go to the ATM, when she put the ATM card in it showed her balance was $4. This enraged him. She kept trying to assuage his rage, saying "you can have it....you can have the $4"....but of course, this wasn't enough for the drugs. He then killed her probably by gunshot. I am visually seeing her throwing her off a high embankment (cliff-like land structure--not incredibly high maybe 10=20 feet high) down into a wooded area. Again, this is visually what is coming up in my brain...my brain started forming this visual image when I heard his statement in one of his interviews that "she wanted to give to people even if she only had $4 in her account".

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  4. Team:

    Could he have been "cleansing" drugs or alcohol from his system with the glass of water?

    I am unsure whether I would categorize that linguistic reference as suggesting sexual abuse....I am confused.

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  5. Anyone else think of the Kyron Horman case where Kyron disappeared after a science fair?

    Very odd about the book fair in this case and subsequent disappearance of the Mom and baby.


    --Rick

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  6. Why are his eyes closed in the interview? And he is swaying side to side?

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  7. Wow, I think that is spot on. He has opiate eyes and there was a needle sticking out of his coat pocket during his plea on television.

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  8. That wasnt a needle. A news station confirmed it was the antenna for his mic. Also what are opiate eyes? That just sounds ridiculous. Because he looks like hes been crying.

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  9. He does have opiate eyes and he also has an opiate smile.

    In a rare moment of human compassion I decided to help a young man who I regularly see passed out on the sidewalk in the freezing cold from heroin. The first time I talked to him he had just "come to" and I asked him why he was sleeping on the ground and asked him a lot of questions, gave him some handwarmers etc. He answered my questions with his eyes opening and closing just like that and with that same smile. I brought him a winter jacket about a week later. He was really nodded out that week, eyes totally shut, when he heard my voice talking he smiled like that, like the opiate you smile you see on the Dad with the missing wife, and with his eyes closed. I talked to a man who was sober standing near him and said "maybe when he wakes up he'll want this jacket" and, with his eyes still closed, he reached out his arm and smiled that opiate smile. He was unable to grasp the jacket so I said "how about I just put it on top of you", and so I did, and he went back to sleep. I know what opiate eyes look like. I know what the opiate smile looks like.
    The Dad has them. And I see what I see. The ATM. He needed the money for drugs. It wasn't there. He killed her. He threw her off an embankment. He may also be on K2 or something but he is def on opiates.

    --cassandra

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    1. Yes! He’s high as a kite and I still believe that was a needle in his pocket!

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  10. What is up with Shane saying that Silas hadn't eaten his lunch at daycare so he asked Shane "to grill it" when he got home??? (and I notice he starts crying right after he says that!) Does this mean Shane had turned on an actual grill? What preschooler doesn't eat their lunch at daycare and then asks their Dad at home to "grill it"?

    What did Shane actually grill?

    I find his mention of the grill so strange. (And disturbing.)

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    1. He says that Silas "told" him to grill it, not that Silas "asked" him to. I found it odd that he phrases his 6 year old child as telling him to do something and not asking.

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    2. Grill as in ask intensive questions? Manipulate his son re answering questions the way his dad wants? Shaping son's reality?

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  11. “Everything’s in the house”. - elsewhere he said “the books are in the house” - passive language in speaking of the books Heidi had bought. He doesn’t say Heidi must have returned home and put them there - does he believe or know that someone other than Heidi took the things/ books into the house?

    It’s odd to use the term “women” of a baby - also the only reference to Heidi as a woman rather than a person or a mom. Why did it occur there?

    When he said the baby couldn’t do anything mean, it brought to mind Justin dePietro who said something similar about Ayla. What causes such a thought?

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    1. Baby couldn't do anything mean...

      He sexually abused the baby but the baby couldnt do anything mean back as a reaction.

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  12. WHAT DID SHANE GRILL?????!!!!!!

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  13. Hey Jude,

    Good observations. The more I look at Shane's interviews, the more fearful I get about what he may have done to the baby. He directly harmed that baby in a very bad way. Good catch with the "baby couldn't do anything mean comment". Shane did something VERY mean to the baby is why he is saying that.

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  14. He laughs as he's saying that Silas hadn't eaten his lunch and told him to grill it (and then he sniffles and fake cries).

    This is scary shit.

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  15. He says "I push her I push her I push her to lock everything".

    Did he push her down an embankment?

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  16. Interesting how he says "I was going through dumpsters the next day" !!!!! wtf!!!

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  17. He says "All THE money was still in her purse."

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  18. Do we know for a fact that Margot was definitely with Heidi at the book fair?

    It doesn't look like the Mom is holding a baby in the picture from the book fair.

    I'm getting a scenario from his linguistics that make me afraid that she was not with Heidi that morning--rather she was with Shayne.

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  19. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBP785pm2fs

    At 7;49, freeze frame the video.

    Shane has a large bruise on top of his right hand.

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    1. Nope that's just hair. If you look in the Fox interview you can see both of his hands are hairy there.

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  20. That's not a bruise, those are hairs (see also in this video as from 11.39: https://www.fox7austin.com/video/635540).

    What does he say at 4:26 (of the video in his apartment)? Something about [...] pipeline travelling (as a reason he had to "come down here" (to Austin))?

    It's a long shot but could the reference to water (also?) be an indication of location (or WCS manner of death: e.g. did the baby "drink" water)?

    "the baby couldn't do anything mean (...) What causes such a thought?"
    It's troubling that he says it in the past tense: "couldn't do". I think the thought is caused by something bad happening to the baby, like Daphne says. When my dog became disabled (at 17 yrs old) and later had to be put down, a thought that went through my mind a lot was: she was the sweetest (followed by: why did this have to happen to her, why couldn't she stay, why did she have to die).

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  21. It's sure a big problem when so many people know a point of heroin is 20 - 25 dollars. I did not like the looks he got on his face when talking. I don't trust him at all.

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  22. I would like to hear the 911 call.

    Adrian.

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  23. Maybe more precisely: the thought (i.e. "the baby couldn't do anything mean") is caused by (knowing/fearing) something happening to the baby that she didn't deserve.

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  24. ^
    "happening" should be "happened"

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  25. When Shane says “if you see them walking around” I feel like that’s a minimization. Like hey folk no big deal they are probably just walking around.

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  26. OT
    I'm no fan of the detestable and abhorrent Jerry Nadler but I wonder as to the veracity of this statement. Oh, did I leave out vile and repugnant?


    “Look who is on my Amtrak Acela train from NYC to DC!” Blakeman wrote on Facebook earlier today with two photos of Nadler standing in the aisle.

    “I witnessed first hand Nadler’s snippy sense of entitlement when I caught up with him in the Cafe Car. He demanded that the attendant take the cheese off his hamburger before serving him. When she hesitated he had a hissy fit.

    “She told him: ‘calm down sir.’ That only got him more pissed. At that point I left with my order. What an A-hole,” Blakeman wrote.

    http://www.theamericanmirror.com/report-snippy-jerry-nadler-demanded-train-attendant-take-the-cheese-off-his-hamburger-before-serving-him/

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  27. Autumn,

    Sorry it is hair on his hand.

    That is interesting about the pipeline reference especially when you think about what Chris Watts did. Did he put one or both inside a pipe-type structure. Linguistically I'm picking up that he "pushed" Heidi either over an embankment or pushed her into something (a drainage pipe??? like near a lake or something?)

    I am really bothered by his "grill" reference. He claims his son didn't eat his lunch (earlier he mentions that Heidi made him a sandwhich) so the son asked him to "grill" it for him. He shows duping delight when he begins that statement. Why would he be saying he needed to grill a sandwhich per his preschool son's request?
    He obviously grilled something and it was NOT his son's leftover sandwhich.

    That along with him saying he "looked in dumpsters" around the complex the next day??? I think he put the baby in a dumpster.

    I am also more disturbed today by his reference to the baby's "cutest little pucker lips".

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  28. He did something really bad to the baby. It's the expressions on his face, the look in his eye and the weird linguistic references.

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  30. too many scripted details that self serve his innocence. why does he point to his temple with his index finger? he has lower than lower than average IQ. why does it say "single" on this FB page? why is the baby not in the picture at the school? "drop her off anywhere - i don't care?", 'uh, basically"? "..i told you i love you"? (i told "You")?(talking to news reporter), "i pretty much worked all day'til about 1 something?' all day to 1 something? , "i seen her car"? , "walked up stairs"? , "so i thought nothing of it"? , "she was-not-back-yet" (she wasn't back yet) <----huge)" , "brought him home, and he didn't finish his lunch", "so he told me to grill it for him"? , "basically, after a little bit i called my dad"?, "he said don't worry about it"? , (his phone rings), he doesn't even look at it (what?!!!), "too much right now"?(what?!!!), "i called her friends"?, "i called the "COPS" ?, <-- , 'ever since then we've been trying to reach out" ? , "she was a great mom"? , "she needs to be back"?, "um, they're amazing" , ok, i can't go on. EVERYTHING THAT COMES OUT OF HIS MOUTH IS OFF, AND STUPID - and if it turns out he is not directly linked to this , i will eat my shoe. this guy is a real piece

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  31. the look in the eye of the lead APD detective (in the news conference), says it all. he knows. they just have to go through the motions. best case scenario is they are gagged and bound somewhere, alive. please please please let them be found alive.

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  32. I saw a discussion which suggested that "grill" could have been implied as turning a cold sandwich hot (like "grilled ham and cheese", which doesn't actually involve a barbecue grill, but generally a pan on a stovetop); and also yielded an interesting side discussion from a rabid section of humanity who swears by grilled (by which they mean "likewise set up in a stovetop pan"), peanut butter and jelly.

    Other than that, I think he's guilty as sin but we'll see.

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  33. Why didn't Silas eat his lunch? Was he upset about something that made him lose his appetite?

    How did Heidi attend a book fair if he says that she "dropped her kid off"? How early can a book fair possibly take place since Shayne says that Heidi called him at 8 am to say she had bought 3 brand new books that cost $25 and he said that that was "OK" and then he says that it was "amazing" and "Heidi couldn't wait to read to him". How could she have bought those books before 8 am? Why does she not seem to have the baby with her in the still photo from the school?

    Why does Shayne say he "drank water"?
    Why? Why?

    Why talk about "grilling"? Grilling a PB&J? No I don't think Elvis was visiting and he fried up a PB&J.

    This guy seems very low IQ and I think he went Neanderthal on Heidi and the baby.

    Why does it say in his bio on the FB fundraiser that he went to a massage school and that he works for Toyota when he says that he works for Unicorn moving company.

    "3 books"
    Could she have "booked" tickets to go somewhere?

    What is the significance of it being a "late morning" because it was "the first time she had dropped off her son ALONE with the baby???

    Obviously this sounds like something premeditated, to me at least.
    Like he was waiting to spin the story around it being "the first time she was alone", like in his Neanderthal mind, he thought people would think my golly how dangerous that she was dropping Silas off at school with the baby with her for the first time ALONE!!! Without Neanderthal Dad there!!! Who knows if she managed to lock the car door without Neanderthal's help even though he had always "pushed" her to do so!!!

    The whole thing is totally messed up and he is really not telling us much of anything, rather concentrating on what his "normal routine" is. This tells us that day was anything but "normal"!!!


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    1. Regarding the book fair: school book fairs are often held early in the morning, before classes begin, so that particular aspect isn't unusual.

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  34. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7808299/Friend-reveals-Heidi-Broussard-went-rocky-break-fianc-earlier-year.html

    More information which gives more context to the case.

    Adrian.

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  35. https://www.crimeonline.com/2019/12/18/heidi-broussard-friend-shocked-that-missing-mom-was-back-with-fiance-after-rocky-breakup-exclusive-details-as-search-for-mom-newborn-continues/

    This was the original article and gives a bit more information. From the article a quote from Heidi`s friend.

    “Why would that not scare you as a husband? I specifically remember a time she [Heidi] was at my house and didn’t answer her phone. He [Carey] showed up to my house freaking out right after he got home.”

    Note she "didnt" answer her phone as opposed to she missed a call which could suggest her not answering was deliberate. Also Shane was "freaking out" rather than worried or concerned.

    Adrian.

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  36. "She is an amazing mom´", "I have a beautiful family" are these generic canned news release-ready phrases that sound so rehearsed!

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  37. Transcript of Shane Carey interview (haven't read it yet so don't know if it's any good):

    https://medium.com/@paulanealmooney/shane-carey-raw-full-interview-deleted-watch-body-language-read-transcript-of-heidi-broussards-49fc3e5d5533

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  38. Hello. This isn't anything to do with this case. Please can someone help me with this: I watched a video in which a woman claims to have been raped. When speaking further about it she claims to have reported the person who raped her, but she says "...I've reported my rapist...". When looking at it I took issue with her saying 'my' rapist as 'my' implies ownership and closeness, something which seems in-congruent to me. I'm new to statement analysis and from what I've learned, after a traumatic assault like rape, there is strong distancing from the subject to the perpetrator. I feel like the expected would be 'I reported the person who raped me' etc. What would be 'correct' here? Is her saying 'my rapist' actually the expected? If so, why? If not, is it acceptable under certain circumstances and what circumstances? Thank you.

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  39. @Sam,

    It is odd to say "my rapist"...usually when thinking about being raped a person feels intense anger and disgust...unless the individual is in shock or something and somehow feels totally detached from any emotion?

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  40. @ Unknown...That's interesting about a 6 yr old "told" him to grill it.

    It's also so strange how he laughs at the beginning of the statement and then fake cries at the end of it. It may be the one thing (grilling) he talks about where his fake crying and laughing make absolutely no sense in the context of the statement (unless there is something more nefarious behind the statement).

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  41. @Frommindtomatter,

    Wow so it sounds like Shane was extremely controlling and possibly monitoring her whereabouts. I thought it was weird that Shayne said he called her only an hour after he left in the morning...I bet he was probably normally calling her constantly throughout the day, keeping tabs on her every move like a hawk, probably also "spied" on her or followed her at times....that would seem to be the type that would kill her...and also the type she would want to escape and probably have to be stealthy to pull off the escape. This puts things in a fresh light. Could she have escaped him and gone to some other "vacant house" like the one she initially had wanted to move into? If she sensed he was going to harm the baby, maybe she did flee. I would think, though, if Shayne "freaked out" when Heidi had not answered her phone right after he got home and she was at a friend's house, that Shane would be totally freaking out right now if he thought Heidi had escaped his clutches by leaving him and hiding somewhere. Rather, we see a lot of duping delight and no concern. So I don't know.

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  42. @Martina,

    Add to that "she has an amazing group of friends", "she WAS an amazing Mom", "she bought 3 brand new books...it was amazing...she couldn't wait to read to Silas" (he talks like those were the first books that would have ever been read to Silas)...did he not allow books in the home?

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  43. @anonymous

    re: my question about rape victim

    The 'interview' was in a public setting with a few others around. I wouldn't say she was in shock but I don't know what the setting would do to her. Could she become more detached with a few others around her? She seemed to be riled up and angry, as you said we would expect them to feel.
    Thank you for responding

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  44. The reading books brings to mind:

    Amanda Blackburn looking at instagram.
    Jessica Ericzon playing Sudoku.
    Hailey Dunn watching TV.

    Is there yet a statistical connection between the language of a victim looking at something and 'actively' dying? Does it reduce stress on the deceptive storyteller to introduce an insignificant detail of the victim looking at something while they are dying?

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  45. I think someone might use it if they are speaking in some kind of context or setting where they are differentiating "their" rapist from someone else's...for example, like on a campus setting where there have been multiple rapes by multiple people or in a case where there was some question about the identity of the rapist. Like if the victim was extremely intoxicated and did not know who had raped her or if the rapist had his face covered or if the rapist was unknown to the victim and there was some problem with authorities discovering who it actually was who raped her.

    But if the identity was known to the victim, I don't see how the victim could say "my rapist" because it does imply some type of closeness with the alleged rapist and when someone has been attacked in such a personal, violating, and disgusting way, there is an automatic feeling of intense repulsion and distancing from the person who has attacked them in that manner, It is much worse than being attacked in a nonsexual way like by a mugger or something.

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  46. @Anon, That is really interesting...maybe the deceptive storyteller feels less stressed picturing the victim "looking" at something else besides the deceptive storyteller (killer).

    It is also really peculiar how he describes Heidi's excitement about anticipating reading the books to Silas as "amazing".

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  47. @Sam: Rape is one of the worst things that can be done to another person, and carries a lot of shame. Many rapes are never reported. In that context I can picture a person coming to the conclusion to "own" the crime and report it, calling him my rapist without it seeming strange. You mention she was angry, so that would be in line with my reasoning.

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  48. @Daphne: and while he was at it calling everybody amazing and beautiful, he could not stop himself and even called the dog beautiful! Just silly.
    He mentiones money so often, so it could have been a dispute about money. It is weird how he mentiones that the books are here now, IN THE HOUSE. Why would they be outside the house?

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  49. @Martina, I disagree. Noone wants to "own" being raped even if they are proud to have reported it. The repulsion level towards the rapist is far greater than repulsion towards human feces. Would anyone pick up a piece of human feces and say "I feel close to MY crap."

    Maybe if someone was extremely intoxicated and they hardly remember being raped and were not injured by the rape they might say "my rapist".

    But if someone was raped while sober they would never say my rapist because just saying that would make them want to vomit.

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  50. One thing I noticed that is different than Chris WAtts is that Shane does not cross his arms over his chest...his body language is open which is weird if he killed her.
    Did Scott Peterson cross his arms over his chest.

    @Martina, yes weird about him specifying "IN the house"....I have a feeling it is because he brought the books, purse, etc into the house after he killed his wife.

    But I am intrigued by his open body language, I would think that would be odd for a killer to have open body language??

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  51. With Shane, its like I just can't get a "read" off him. Is that because he not really hiding anything???

    It's like I usually can pick up on what people are "hiding" and I'm not picking much up from Shane.

    His language is very strange...it's his body language and expressions are not giving away much,

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  52. I don't think Shane is guilty. My opinion has changed because I'm really not sensing he killed someone.

    I wonder if there is a possibility that someone saw her and the baby at the book fair and followed them back home? They may have knocked on her door and pulled out a gun and forced her and the baby to go with them in a vehicle??? It could have been someone who wanted the baby or just fixated on her and the baby for some reason?

    The whole disappearance after a school fair reminds me of Kyron Horman...who I feel was abducted by a stranger right as the science fair ended when Kyron was going back to class...not by Terry Horman (bc I don't see it in Terry's langauge). In this case, it is odd that Heidi and the baby disappeared after a book fair. It is an eery similarity also that both of these fairs in both cases occurred very early in the morning before school even started.

    I am leaning towards Shane being innocent of her and the baby's disappearance.

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  53. "he didn’t finish his lunch, so he told me to grill it for him.”

    To me this is a sign of neglect. When it is necessary for a child to tell his father what to do with his food so he can eat it, something is wrong. A kid should not have to tell a parent what has to be done with their food so they can eat it. A caring father would have said: let me grill that for you.
    But the child had to ask for it himself. That only happens when a child is used to take care of themselves.

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  54. Info tonight is that the baby was found alive and well at the home of Heidi's
    lifetime friend's boyfriend in Houston. Body recovered from trunk of car parked in driveway.

    Word is that another friend called LE to report that the old friend had a new baby girl and
    hadn't been pregnant. She was present at Margot's birth.

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  55. Oh my God. That is insane!!! WTF!!!

    At least the baby is still alive.

    How tragic...the whole situation.

    And I was right that Shane didn't kill them...

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  56. How can someone present as Shane did and not be responsible for some part of what happened to Heidi and Margot? It's puzzling. Shane was concerned about the baby eating, "feed the baby", and made no mention of Heidi's physical needs. Like you said, the distancing language, the lack of ownership, the time gaps, the "usual" factor, changing pronouns "We, she made lunch". Her purse was upstairs...her purse was in the car. He started saying something about the location of her phone, self-censored and said: "I wouldn't know anything about that". I hope he's not involved. The police haven't said that they've cleared him and the kids are currently staying at their grandparent's home.

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  57. Just realized.... so he got a call from the daycare saying she didn't show up to pick up Silas. If it's a "basic Thursday", you get home around 2 (depending on which statement of his you believe), and you KNOW when your son needs to be picked up....

    Wouldn't you, as that time approaches, and you believe your fiancee is with a friend in the complex, but has left her purse, diaper bag, and car.... wouldn't you get more concerned the later it got and if you knew the apartment she is probably at, go there and check, and if she's not there, obviously someone needs to pick up your son and if her car is there, she doesn't have it (duh) meaning you can't know for sure that wherever she might be (without her purse, diaper bag, and with an "off" phone) that she could pick Silas up.... you'd know you'd need to go get him. Yet he waits until the school/ daycare calls HIM and confirms that Heidi didn't pick him up. He may have thought that was smart, acting like he thought she'd get him, even without her car, but if you're a parent that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. He's seriously not worrying about who's going to pick up their son and she's been gone for hours and hours with your 2 week old newborn?

    Eventually something is gonna come out. He did something. Something is SO OFF, it makes me so uncomfortable.

    Also he NEVER EVER mentions her friends in the interview. If I went missing, my hubby would call my friends and family without a thought. I'd want him to beg them to go to the police with any info they had even if it was something I kept from him. I understand that's not how everyone works but he literally never brought them up. I'm still so stuck on the Silas being left there.... so many hours of just NOTHING from Heidi, the baby being gone, her stuff being there including the car... what's any reasonable explanation? I don't believe there is one.

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  58. I think he smokes weed and maybe was taking something to numb the pain. Add to that poor vernacular and just seeming out of it. That makes the testimony hard to read.

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