Monday, July 11, 2022

Gabby Petito: Brian Laundrie Analysis by Delle Shepherd

 

 

                                                                        Gabby Petito 

 

Gabby Petito, 22, was an aspiring ‘Vanlife’ blogger who went missing in late August during a cross-country road trip from New York to Oregon with her fiancé Brian Laundrie.  Her body was found in a Wyoming national park.  Brian Laundrie was later found dead in Myakkahatchee Creek Environmental Park, apparently having committed suicide. 

Here follows the note left by Brian Laundrie, with analysis.  

 

Gabby, 

 

I wish I was right at your side, I wish I could be talking to you right now. I’d be going through every memory we’ve made, getting even more excited for the future. But we’ve lost our future.  I can’t live without you. I’ve lost every day we could’ve spent together. Every holiday. I’ll never get to play with [unintelligible] again. Never go hiking with TJ. I Loved you more than anything. I can’t bear to look at our photos, to recall great times because it is why I cannot go on. When I close my eyes I will think of laying on the roof of the van, falling asleep to the sight of a meteor shower at the crystal geyser. I will always love you.

 

If you were reading Gabs journal, looking at the photos from our life together, fliping (sic) through old cards you wouldn’t want to live a day without her. Knowing that everyday you’ll wake up without her, you wouldn’t want to wake up. I’m sorry to everyone this will affect, Gabby was the love of my life, but I know adored by many. I’m so very sorry to her family, because I love them. I’d consider her younger siblings, my best of friends … I am sorry to my family. This is a shock to them as well as a terrible greif (sic). 

 

They loved as much, if not more than me. A new daughter to my mother, an aunt to my nei[hews (sic). Please do not make this harder for them. this occurred as an unexpected tragedy. Rushing back to our car trying to cross the streams of spread creek before it got too dark to see, to (sic) cold. I hear a splash and a scream. I could barely see, I couldn’t find her for a moment, shouted her name. I found her breathing heavily gasping my name, she was freezing cold. We had just came from the blazing hot National Parks In Utah. The temperature had dropped to freezing and she was soaking wet. I carried her as far as I could down the stream towards the car, stumbling exhausted in shock, when my knees buckled and knew I couldn’t safely carry her. I started a fire and spooned her as close to the heat, she was so thin, had already been freezing too long. I couldn’t at the time realize that I should’ve started a fire first but I wanted her out of the cold back to the car. From where I started the fire I had no idea how far the car might be.  Only knew it was across the creek. When I pulled Gabby out of the water she couldn’t tell me what hurt. She had a small bump on her forehead that eventually got larger. Her feet hurt, her wrist hurt but she was freezing, shaking violently, while carrying her she continually made sounds of pain, laying next to her she said little lapsing between violent shakes, gasping in pain, begging for an end to her pain. She would fall asleep and I would shake her awake fearing she shouldn’t close her eyes if she had a concussion. 

 

She would wake in pain start the whole painful cycle again while furious that I was the one waking her. She wouldn’t let me try to cross the creek, thought like me that this fire would go out in her sleep and she’d freeze. I don’t know the extent of Gabby’s injurys (sic). Only that she was in extreme pain. I ended her life, I thought it was merciful, that it is what she wanted, but I see now all the mistakes I made. I panicked, I was in shock. But from the moment I decided, took away her pain, I knew I couldn’t go on without her. 

 

I rushed home to spend any time I had left with my family. I wanted to drive north and let James or TJ kill me but I wouldn’t want them to spend time in jail over my mistake, even though I’m sure they would have liked to. I am ending my life not because of a fear of punishment but rather because I cant stand to live another day without her. I’ve lost out whole future together, every moment we could have cherished. Im sorry for everyones loss. Please do not make life harder for my family, they lost a son and a daughter. The most wonderful girl in the world. Gabby I'm sorry.

 

I have killed myself by this creek in the hopes that animals may tear me apart. That it may make some of her family happy. 

 

Please pick up all of my things. Gabby hated people who litter.

 

We approach all statements with the pre-supposition of innocence and allow the subject to guide us to the truth with their own words and language.  It can be tempting to skip past a salutation or headline in order to get to the ‘good stuff’; the bulk of the analysis.  However, in statement analysis, every word is useful. It is worth slowing down and paying particular attention to the opening lines, for the first words in a statement often speak to attitudes, priority, motivation, and sometimes the reason behind making the statement.  The first few words are often seeds which flourish later in the statement.  

 

Gabby,  

 

Opening correspondence using only a name with no salutation is considered by many to appear abrupt and even rude.  It is a one-word command for attention.  Gabby was Brian’s fiancee.  It is unexpected that he has not added ‘Dear Gabby’ or ‘To Gabby’.  

 

I wish I was right               at your side, 

 

We find potential insight into Brian and his priority.  

The statement begins with the pronoun ‘I’, meaning Brian is psychologically present here with his wish, and the sentence is likely to contain at least some reliable information.  

What does he wish?  In his own first few words, ‘I wish I was right.’  

Viewing the first sentence as a whole, 'at' Gabby’s side is distant compared to being 'by' Gabby’s side.  

 

I wish I could be talking to you right now. 

 

Note who is doing the talking. 

 

Note ‘talking to’ - not ‘with’ or ‘I wish we could talk...’ .  What does Brian want to talk ‘to’ Gabby about? 

 

There are two ‘I wish’ from the get-go, and they are both to satisfy Brian and Brian only.  Consider that Brian may have lived a ‘fairy godmother’ life where he expressed his wishes and had them met by others.  Even in these dreadful circumstances, he reverts to type.

 

 

I’d be going through every memory we’ve made, getting even more excited for the future.

 

Note who will be going through ‘every memory’. 

 

By going through memories, does Brian want to rake up the past?   He does not say 'happy' memory.   

Teamwork with the pronoun ‘we’ now enters.  They are both responsible for ‘every memory’, but Brian is the one who means to go through them.    

This may shed light on his choice of ‘talking to’ her – would Brian like to tell Gabby where she ‘went wrong’ as he ‘goes through every memory’?  Moreover, as Brian wants to be the one ‘talking to’, the future will be however he imagines it.  Is the future exciting because it is him telling Gabby how things will be?

 

But we’ve lost our future. 

The second ‘we’  – Brian attempts to make Gabby jointly responsible with a teamwork pronoun, but the future was lost at his own hands.

 

 

I can’t live without you. 

 

Gabby worked and saved and purchased the van for the Vanlife trip.   (There is little information on whether Brian had a job – this does not rule out that he had one.)  Now Gabby is dead, is it the case that Brian ‘can't live’? ('the cost of 'living') Holidays are over now - no more free rides? 

 

 

I’ve lost every day we could’ve spent together. 

 

Note who has ‘lost every day’.  Lost is ‘soft’ language in the circumstances and minimises his actions.  

 

A pattern of pronoun ‘I’ emerges as Brian laments his own losses.  

 

 

Every holiday. I’ll never get to play with [unintelligible] again. Never go hiking with TJ.

 

Brian did not describe what ‘every day he could’ve spent’ with Gabby would look like except for ‘every holiday’.  Now, he gets specific with verbs on what else he has lost:  playing with [unintelligible], and hiking with TJ.  This gives insight into his priorities.  He does not mention a wedding day, a house, children or any other potential life events in a future with Gabby. 

 

 

loved you more than anything.

 

Brian is psychologically present to put his love for Gabby in the past tense.  This suggests he has processed her death.  

 

Note ‘anything’ not ‘anyone’.  

 

What does ‘love’ mean to Brian? 

 

 

I can’t bear to look at our photos, to recall great times because it is why I cannot go on

 

We have the high sensitivity of the explainer ‘because’.  The end of the sentence does not quite flow with the beginning.  Perhaps Brian could not face writing the truth of ‘because’ and changed his mind about how to finish.

 

‘Our photos’ suggests Brian is present in them, as opposed to looking at pictures of Gabby by herself.  This gives insight into his psychological make-up.

 

‘Great times’ is general and does not specify Gabby.  What were the ‘great times’ for Brian?  

 

When I close my eyes I will think of laying on the roof of the van, falling asleep to the sight of a meteor shower at the crystal geyser. I will always love you.

 

The element of time enters as Brian puts ‘close my eyes’ and ‘I will think’ at a point in the future – it is likely he was thinking of his planned suicide here. 

 

Note he is not sharing laying on the roof of the van and the meteor shower with anyone.  In Brian’s words, he is alone.  Was Gabby not present at these experiences?  Brian uses  romantic images here, but Gabby is completely absent. 

 

‘Fell asleep’ is a phrase often used on grave inscriptions as a substitute for ‘died’.  Together with ‘close my eyes’, consider Brian’s thoughts of suicide are intense here.  

 

Brian now takes his love from past tense and places it into future tense.  It is notable that he can paint romantic verbal pictures of his laying on the roof of the van and the meteor shower, but his words of love for Gabby are hollow and of the ‘Hallmark card’ variety. 

 

So far, the pronoun ‘we’ has appeared only at specific points to share responsibility with Gabby for ‘every memory made’ and ‘lost future’.  

 

Although Gabby’s name is mentioned, there is distance here.  Gabby and all the wonderful things about her are absent from Brian’s words.  Gabby’s dreams, her drive and determination which made the Vanlife adventure and her blog a reality – none of it feature. Brian paints more detailed pictures of his own experiences, or things he wants to do with TJ and ‘unintelligible’ but is vague about Gabby.    The statement so far is all about him and hints at conceit. 

 

***

 

Brian continues the note, now addressing an unknown recipient.  Why the change? Consider the note is really meant for this new unknown recipient as the bulk of it is aimed at them.

 

If you were reading Gabs journal, looking at the photos from our life together, fliping (sic) through old cards you wouldn’t want to live a day without her. 

 

A journal is often a private, intensely personal document.  Did Brian pry into Gabby’s private possessions? Post-mortem, was he checking for any unfavourable references to himself, found none, and now feels safe to mention the journal and float the idea that others could look at it too - ‘nothing to hide and the journal proves it’? 

 

Where is ‘Gabs journal’ now? 

 

Note the change of name.  Was ‘Gabs’ a nickname Brian had for Gabby?  Was ‘Gabs journal’ what Gabby herself wrote on her journal and is Brian parroting this? 

 

‘Our’ returns, indicating something shared.  Consider Brian is likely present in the ‘photos from our life’ he is using to evoke a longing in ‘you’ for Gabby.  ‘You’ may not be looking at photos of Gabby by herself, hinting again at Brian having conceited traits and the dynamic between them.   

 

Who did the ‘old cards’ belong to, and who were they from?  He does not specify Valentine, birthday or other special cards they may have sent each other.  ‘Flipping’ suggest a quick action – was this something Brian did furtively? Did he find a card to Gabby that angered him?  Consider that Brian may have subjected Gabby to ‘spying’ behaviour, typically found in a coercively controlling partner.   

 

Why is a possibility of the unknown recipient viewing these things in Brian’s mind? Consider this is an attempt to veneer the past and convince the recipient that everything was fine until Gabby’s death. 

 

 

Knowing that everyday you’ll wake up without her, you wouldn’t want to wake up. I’m sorry to everyone this will affect, Gabby was the love of my life, but I know adored by many. 

 

Note who is waking up without Gabby. Brian is distancing himself here and does not tell us ‘I don’t want to wake up’ without her.      

 

We always note ‘I’m sorry’ in statements.  This appears to be an open admission of guilt rather than leakage. Brian is not sorry to ‘Gabby’ for what he has done but to ‘everyone this will affect’.  Consider this is an attempt at image management  

 

His love for Gabby is now back in past tense.  Brian loved her, but she was ‘adored’ by many.  Did he perceive his love was better and more special than anyone else’s adoration? This could be part of the isolation tactic of a coercive controller who will often tell the victim that no one else cares for or loves them the way they do.   

 

 

I’m so very sorry to her family, because I love them. I’d consider her younger siblings, my best of friends … I am sorry to my family. This is a shock to them as well as a terrible greif (sic). 

 

‘Sorry’ is now qualified to ‘so very sorry’. High sensitivity enters again with the need to persuade ‘because’ as Brian explains why.  He does not mention he is sorry because he did such a terrible thing.  

 

His assertion regarding Gabby’s siblings is weak and future conditional ‘I would’ and not ‘I consider them...’  

 

‘Sorry’ appears without qualifiers for Brian’s family.  To say it ‘is’ a shock suggests that they know what has happened, particularly as he mentions ‘greif’ (sic) which happens after death, not before.  They cannot grieve him before he is dead.  Consider their grief is for Gabby and they are aware she is dead.

 

 

They loved as much, if not more than me. A new daughter to my mother, an aunt to my nei[hews (sic). Please do not make this harder for them. 

 

There is a name or pronoun missing about who was loved as much.  Does he mean they loved Gabby more than he loved her, or more than they loved him? 

 

Gabby is still absent as Brian speaks in general terms about the role a woman could potentially play.  

 

Note a ‘new’ daughter, not another daughter.  Did an existing daughter need replacing with a new one?  Did Brian,and/or his family consider Gabby would be a better daughter than Brian’s sister?

 

Brian is of the ‘social media’ generation and was very likely aware of all the publicity of the case and how it would affect his family.  He is very likely aware that his note could one day be published on the internet and the likelihood that he is image-managing strengthens.   

 

this occurred as an unexpected tragedy

 

Brian uses passive language to move into an account of the events leading to Gabby’s death.  Passive language hides guilty, identity, and responsibility.  Brian distances himself here, his language shows weak commitment (this was … is stronger than ‘this occurred as an…) and appears hopeful that the recipient will interpret that matters were out of his hands, and ‘occurred’ like a natural disaster, something he was powerless to change. 

 

That Brian needs to include ‘unexpected’ suggests there may have been some degree of pre-meditation.  

 

Rushing back to our car trying to cross the streams of spread creek before it got too dark to see, to cold.

 

Passive language continues – Brian does not say WHO was rushing.  There are names or pronouns missing here, deception has begun in earnest.  The sentence serves to foreshadow the events he is about to describe. 

 

‘The van’ referred to earlier has now become ‘our car’.  A change in language indicates a change in emotion or perception, or that a subject is fabricating while they go along and cannot keep track of their own lies.  This is a significant change. Were they now travelling in a different vehicle?  If not, what happened to change Brian’s perception of the ‘van’ to a ‘car’? Moreover, why does Brian take shared ownership of the car at the point it becomes a ‘car’ and is no longer a ‘van’?  It is critical to understand this and it would be a topic for deep exploration by investigators had Brian lived to answer questions.   Did they have an argument about the van and/or ‘Vanlife’, triggering a change in Brian’s language?   Consider Gabby may be dead at this point in his account of events, and ‘the van’ and ‘Vanlife’ have died with her.  Does the ‘van’ become a ‘car’ because it is now simply transport? 

 

Does he stress ‘our’ car to make it appear that he and Gabby were together, when they were not? 

 

Had Brian seen other cars nearby, and needs to take possession of ‘our car’ among others?  Was he conscious of how much closer any other cars seemed now that he is trying to manage this situation and any noises made as it unfolds? 

 

‘Back’ shows Brian’s mind as somehow ‘weighted’ at the car.  

 

Did Brian move the car while Gabby was elsewhere, meaning she had to rush to find it before darkness fell?

 

Did Brian prevent Gabby from getting in the car, leaving her in the dark and cold? 

 

I hear a splash and a scream. 

 

We do not interpret, we listen.  Would Brian like the recipient to interpret that Gabby fell in the stream as they tried to cross?  If a subject does not say it, we do not say it for them.  Brian is in present tense here.  Statements should be in past tense, indicating they come from experiential memory (except in recognised SA principles where present tense is accepted).  This is another indicator he is deceptive here. 

 

 

I could barely see, I couldn’t find her for a moment, shouted her name. 

 

Did Gabby flee and Brian chase her? 

 

Shouted is ‘hard’ communicative language, alerting us to possible domestic violence.  Note he does not ‘call’ her name. 

 

I found her breathing heavily gasping my name, she was freezing cold

 

Where did Brian find Gabby?  He does not say she was in the creek, despite his earlier statement of hearing ‘a splash’. 

 

If Gabby ran from him, was she out of breath from running, using his name in part of an appeal to him to stop whatever she ran from?

 

Did he attempt to strangle her at this point? 

 

Now he has a need to explain why she was freezing cold: 

 

We had just came from the blazing hot National Parks In Utah. The temperature had dropped to freezing and she was soaking wet

 

Brian moves out of chronological order to inform where they had ‘just came from’.  ‘Blazing hot’ may be an accurate description, but it also alerts us to the possibility of a row in Utah.  

 

We note any references to water, particularly when they are unnecessary, as a possible alert to sexual abuse and/or sexual homicide.  

 

carried her as far as I could down the stream towards the car, stumbling exhausted in shock, when my knees buckled and knew I couldn’t safely carry her.

 

Brian portrays himself as a hero for carrying Gabby.  Alongside this, he appears to be subtly complaining, and is certainly concerned about, his own physical state.

 

Consider that at this point in his jumbled narrative, Gabby is dead and he may be attempting to carry her to the car to dispose of her body elsewhere.  

 

What happened to put Brian ‘in shock’?  Did the effort of the assault surprise him, hence all the details of his physical state?

 

There is another missing pronoun – who knew he couldn’t ‘safely carry’?  Missing or confused pronouns indicate deception.  

 

Brian relinquishes his part ownership of ‘our car’, which is now ‘the car’.  Why does he no longer want or need to claim shared ownership of the car?

 

Carry is repeated, making it sensitive.  This sentence appears to be a hina clause as Brian appears to answer an unasked question: ‘Why didn’t you pick Gabby up and carry her?’  Consider that he did not carry Gabby – at least, not with the intention of helping her.   

 

Consider that in reporting ‘why’ instead of reporting ‘what’ to answer an unasked question, Brian may have discussed his version of events with someone and his note is in a way ‘contaminated’ from having already spoken about events.  He has likely been asked questions and has adjusted his narrative to explain in the note.  

 

I started a fire and spooned her as close to the heat, she was so thin, had already been freezing too long

 

Was Brian carrying the necessary fire-lighting apparatus on his person, and what did he burn? Note ‘I started a fire’ is reliable in form – it contains the pronoun ‘I’, past tense verb, and the action without qualifier or sensitivity.  Is he talking about a different kind of ‘fire’ – an attempt at some kind of sexual activity with Gabby which failed, hence ‘freezing too long’? 

 

Spooning is a term for cuddling, one partner behind the other, or used as a sexual position.  Did Brian attempt/consider sexually abusing Gabby pre or post-mortem?  Was she was too cold and it was off-putting?

Did he consider burning her, pre or post-mortem? 

 

Did he spent time with her post-mortem, enjoying his full and absolute control?  

 

Is he victim blaming Gabby for ‘freezing’ because she is ‘so thin’?  Did they have a row over warmth ie broken heater in van, or not enough warm clothes? 

Had he been withholding Gabby's food?  Issuing punishment by denying her warm clothes and shelter in an isolated spot where she could not have left him and gone for help? 

Brian reports ‘freezing’ for the third time. ‘Freezing’ may spill over from the climate into his perception of Gabby and their relationship.   

‘Too long’ suggests there is an acceptable length of time - according to Brian - for Gabby to have been freezing.  This adds weight to the consideration he may have denied her shelter and/or warm clothing etc.  

 

Man starting fire - the ancient image of a 'real' man, which Brian likely knows he is not.  The image of starting a fire is likely another attempt to persuade of his ‘hero’ status.  

 

I couldn’t at the time realize that I should’ve started a fire first but I wanted her out of the cold back to the car

 

This appears to be another hina clause as Brian answers an unasked question, ‘Why didn’t you start the fire first?’  

 

Started a fire ‘first’ before what? 

 

The temperature ‘freezing’ is now ‘cold’.  In Brian’s personal subjective internal dictionary, what is the difference between ‘freezing’ and ‘cold’, and what has happened to change his language?  Had he, himself, begun to warm up after carrying out an assault, therefore he remembers it as simply ‘cold’?

 

‘I wanted’ - control enters his language again.  

 

From where I started the fire I had no idea how far the car might be.  Only knew it was across the creek. 

 

Note another possible hina clause as Brian explains why he could not get Gabby back to the car.

 

It is not usually reliable when people say they have ‘no idea’.  Most people have some idea about most things.  Reporting in the negative is acceptable if a subject is asked a question and they answer ‘I don’t know.’  However, this note is not an interview.  Reporting what what wasn’t thought, said, or done raises the sensitivity of the statement.  In fact, Brian is likely speaking the truth here – he had no idea where it might be, he knew perfectly well where it was.  This alerts us to Brian being practised in deception.  

 

Finally, the missing pronoun from ‘only knew’ strengthens the deception as Brian hides who ‘only knew...’ 

 

When I pulled Gabby out of the water she couldn’t tell me what hurt. She had a small bump on her forehead that eventually got larger. 

 

The element of time enters with ‘when’.  This is an important word and alerts us to Gabby having been in water for some time before Brian decided to pull her out.  Did he attempt to drown her and change his mind?

 

‘Pull’ does not suggest any care was taken in getting Gabby out of the water, alerting us to rough handling.  

 

We find another change of language - ‘creek’ is now ‘water’.  Is it water because Brian entered and had the sensation of getting wet?

  

‘When I pulled Gabby’ may hint at his attitude towards women and perceived status in their relationship dynamic.  We keep the word ‘pull’ in mind and move on. 

 

Was Gabby now incapable of speech?  

 

Did he repeatedly bang Gabby’s head on eg stones or rocks, hence a ‘small bump that eventually got larger’?  Expect to find repeated to trauma to her head/face.

 

Consider Brian may have considered reporting an 'accident' where Gabby slipped, fell in water, bumped her head and drowned.  

 

 

Her feet hurt, her wrist hurt but she was freezingshaking violently, while carrying her she continually made sounds of pain, laying next to her she said little lapsing between violent shakes, gasping in pain, begging for an end to her pain. 

 

Brian often went barefoot – was it his feet hurting, his wrists hurting from his efforts in the assault? 

Hurt is non-specific and could be physical or emotional. 

His emphasis on freezing is repeated ++, and is of greater importance to him than her feet and wrist hurting.  

 

‘Made sounds’ - not 'Gabby groaned' etc.  Did hearing her in death affect him?  Use of ‘continually’ indicates he didn't want to hear her - mirroring wanting to 'shut her up' in daily life?  

Brian introduces ‘shaking violently’ and ‘violent shakes’.  Consider that Brian assaulted Gabby which escalated to strangling her.  Consider they were on the ground and he was likely pinning her down with his body as he reports ‘spooning’ and ‘laying next to her’ - both close body contact.    

 

Gabby ‘gasping my name’ has changed to ‘gasping in pain’.  Consider he is unwittingly telling us who caused her pain.  

 

‘Begging for an end...’ Here is the language of abusers, including child sexual abusers - ‘s/he wanted me to’.

She would fall asleep and I would shake her awake fearing she shouldn’t close her eyes if she had a concussion.  She would wake in pain start the whole painful cycle again while furious that I was the one waking her. 

 

Brian appears to reference death as ‘closing eyes’ and ‘falling asleep’ for both himself and Gabby.  In addition for Gabby there is the cycle of ‘waking’.Consider Gabby’s death was drawn out and it took him different ways to accomplish killing.  Consider he may have strangled her repeatedly to the point of unconsciousness, either in a sadistic ‘death in slow motion’ as he gains satisfaction and pleasure from strangling her over and over again as he rides waves of anger (‘you will die when I say so’), or because he had not realised how long it would take to strangle her to death and it took him several attempts. 

 

Did Gabby managed to fight back, hence, ‘furious’?  

 

If someone is in as much pain as Gabby is reported to be here, freezing cold and slipping in and out of consciousness, is fury a credible emotion? Fury requires a strength she does not appear to have at this point.

 

Furious is the first adjective he has applied to Gabby’s as a person; there is nothing to describe her as fun or sweet natured etc.  

 

The introduction of ‘concussion’, together with the ‘small bump on her forehead ...’ reinforces the likelihood of (likely extensive) trauma to Gabby’s head.  

‘Pain’ is repeated, making it highly sensitive.  Similar to ‘hurt’ it is non-specific and could be emotional or physical pain.  

 

 

She wouldn’t let me try to cross the creek, thought like me that this fire would go out in her sleep and she’d freeze. I don’t know the extent of Gabby’s injurys (sic). Only that she was in extreme pain. 

 

There is another possible hina clause here as Brian answers the unasked question ‘Why didn’t you cross the creek?’  Here is his final excuse as to why he couldn’t help Gabby: it’s Gabby’s fault, she wouldn’t let me.   – this is the victim blaming language of abuse. 

 

‘Water’ is back to being ‘creek’.  

The ‘omnipotence’ of a coercive controller is introduced as Brian tells us what Gabby was thinking, not what Gabby said.  

The rule of the negative returns as Brian reports what he doesn’t know.  He likely speaks the truth.  Estimating the extent of any ‘injurys’ is not necessary when he knows she is dead. 

Pain is now ‘extreme’. 

 

I ended her life,

 

 

This is reliable in form, but is minimising and soft language.

 

I thought it was merciful, that it is what she wanted, but I see now all the mistakes I made. 

 

In stating what ‘I thought’ Brian allows for others to disagree.  The language of abuse continues as he again puts responsibility onto Gabby for her own death. Brian implies he was putting an injured animal out of its misery.  

 

Note ‘all the mistakes’ plural, suggesting a history of bad behaviour.  

  

What were those mistakes?  He does not attempt to redeem himself by saying what he should have done differently. 

 

 

I panicked, I was in shock. But from the moment I decidedtook away her pain, I knew I couldn’t go on without her. 

 

 

‘In shock’ is repeated from his earlier report

 

‘I decided’ and ‘took away’ - consider the language of abuse/controlling behaviour continues. 

 

He does not want to spend the rest of his life in prison.  

 

 

rushed home to spend any time I had left with my family

 

There is now a jump in time from Gabby’s death. Brian manages to do what he has spent a long time explaining was previously impossible:  he finds the car.

 

Rushing re-enters.  Brian's adrenalin would be high throughout killing Gabby, disposing of her body, and returning home where he would have some explaining to do.  Consider it was also racing earlier in the statement when he first reports ‘rushing’ - supposedly before the 'unexpected tragedy'.  We noted the missing names/pronouns of WHO was rushing.  Consider the sentence above loops back to the sentence, ‘rushing back to OUR car…’. where Brian may have taken shared ownership of the car to make it appear Gabby was alive and they were together when, in fact, they were not. 

 

‘Home’ is warmth, comfort, familiarity (as opposed to house which is colder and more distant)  He has chosen to return home to family. This is revealing to the family dynamic and how he relies on them. 

 

The word ‘spend’ enters.  Was he hoping they would fund him for something? 

 

 

I wanted to drive north and let James or TJ kill me but I wouldn’t want them to spend time in jail over my mistake, even though I’m sure they would have liked to. 

 

Similar to ‘I decided to’, ‘I wanted to’ is a desire, which is low commitment and can be changed at any time.  

 

Brian calls murdering Gabby a ‘mistake’.  He has mentioned ‘mistakes’ previously.  Now he has shown us his definition of a ‘mistake’ it grows more likely that ‘all the mistakes’ is a history of controlling and/or violent behaviour.  

 

Self-pity features strongly here.  Brian suggests he is a ‘good guy’ doing James and TJ a favour by not driving north, despite wanting to.  In statement analysis, someone portraying themselves as a ‘good guy’ is very likely not a ‘good guy’.

 

 

I am ending my life not because of a fear of punishment but rather because I cant stand to live another day without her. I’ve lost our whole future together, every moment we could have cherished. Im sorry for everyones loss. Please do not make life harder for my family, they lost a son and a daughter. The most wonderful girl in the world. Gabby I'm sorry. 

 

Brian uses soft language for his own death.  We note the senstivity of the negative and the two explainers of ‘because’ as Brian tries to persuade that he does not fear punishment.  This is likely his worst fear.  Also, note that he is trying to persuade that he is ending his life because he cannot live with Gabby, not because he has done something terrible.  This exposes once more his self-centred nature. 

 

The only compliment Brian pays Gabby is when he is addressing the unknown recipient. 

 

Order speaks to priority:  note Brian’s order: 1) son and 2) daughter and no mention of who Gabby’s family have lost here.  

 

He is again showing awareness of the media interest in the case/his family. 

 

He saves ‘Gabby I’m sorry’ and his first compliment to Gabby for the section aimed at the unknown recipient.  Consider this exposes behaviour where he puts on a good show for others.  

 

Who is he sorry to?  It would appear Brian is sorry for himself as ‘I’m sorry’ comes after another lament about how he is affected and plea regarding his family. 

  

 

I have killed myself by this creek in the hopes that animals may tear me apart. That it may make some of her family happy. 

 

Note the upgrade from ‘ending my life’ is ‘killed myself’. 

 

Where there is a ‘this’ there is often a ‘that’ and vice versa.  Consider ‘I killed Gabby by ‘that’ creek, I have killed myself by ‘this’ creek’.  Is this the closest Brian gets to admitting that he killed Gabby? 

 

Self-pity++:  it's not just 'her' family that are down on him and will be happy at his death- even the animals want a piece of him.  

 

Please pick up all of my things. 

 

Brian’s final few words point to an imperious attitude. 

Gabby hated people who litter.

 

Brian directs Gabby’s hate to people, not the litter itself.  There is manipulation and emotional blackmail here as Brian uses Gabby as a way to have his request met.   

 

People like to justify their crime.  As Brian is ‘littering’, in his logic, Gabby hates him until someone picks up all his things, and she may have a reason to keep on hating him.  There is a sense of self-justification here.  

 

First word of the note 'Gabby', final word 'litter'.  Was litter a source of contention between them? 

 

Did Brian accuse Gabby of not being as committed to saving the planet as he was? 

 

Does this final statement unlock the chain of events?  Did Gabby remind Brian of a time when he littered, and he reacted with violence? 

 

 

In Summary

We examined Brian’s first few words and noted the abruptness of ‘Gabby’ with no ‘dear’ or other salutation.  Continuing to take a few words at a time, ‘ I wish I was right’ - wanting to be 'right' - (self-esteem, manliness, position in society etc)  and knowing they are (often) not 'right' underscores and drives the behaviour of a coercively controlling man.  Together with the abrupt ‘Gabby’, wanting to be ‘at’ and not ‘by’ her side, and other possible language of domestic abuse throughout the note, we are alert to the possibilities in Brian’s behaviour.  

Brian attempts to persuade that ‘freezing’ is largely responsible for Gabby’s death – which hints at his perceived coldness from Gabby in their relationship.  Alongside this, Brian also references ‘fire’: 

‘I started a fire’  

should’ve started a fire first’

I started the fire’

this fire would go out in her sleep’

 

Fire is the first form of artificial light.  We always flag lights in a statement, particularly where it is unnecessary to mention them, as references to lights are linguistically related to sexual energy and are often found in statements where sex is on the mind of the subject at that point of the statement.  

 

·      Lights ‘on’ indicates sexual activity of any kind, from positive, healthy sexual relationships to sexual abuse.  

·      Lights ‘off’, including ‘darkness falling’  ‘turning off the light’ etc often indicate ‘negative’ sexual activity, from abuse, to lack of intimacy, to failed attempts at sex.  

 

It is interesting to note that Brian Laundrie emphasises the ‘starting’ of a fire, and thoughts that it ‘would go out’; in other words, efforts to get the light on and keep it on.   He also reports, ‘before it got too dark’ (lights off) and that he ‘spooned’ Gabby, a term generally used for adults cuddling, more intimate than an ‘on the couch’ cuddle, and sometimes as a sexual position.  When these observations are viewed alongside the emphasis on Gabby ‘freezing’, this analyst considers there may have been some long-term sexual problems, perhaps from trauma in Brian’s past causing sexual dysfunction, and/or a problem regarding sex on the night of Gabby’s death (sexual assault or a failed attempt at sex).  

 

This analyst is considering that by referencing ‘fire’ Brian is telling us a combination of 1) his rage about whatever has particularly upset him that night, and 2) a background of sexual dysfunction which he may have brooded on, particularly as historically they lay together and Gabby was asleep/unsatisfied/unresponsive.  Feelings of inadequacy, being disrespected, unsafe and out of control lurk in the background of controlling/violent men.   A sexual problem would likely complicate or escalate the behaviour of a  controlling/violent man as he regards his ‘manhood’ as incomplete.   

 

Brian also emphasises closing eyes, sleeping, and waking up.  It appears to be a reference to death for both him and Gabby.  Moreover, this analyst has observed the phrase ‘when I close my eyes’ features in the language of PTSD sufferers, including in combat veterans with PTSD.  PTSD sufferers often have trouble falling asleep, have nightmares, and will waken easily.   Brian references ‘closing eyes, sleeping and waking up’ in two separate cycles in his statement, one for him and one for Gabby.  He also reports ‘painful cycles’ for Gabby waking and sleeping.  There is a possibility that Brian believes Gabby had, or should have had, the same fears, problems, anxieties as he did, hence his repeated mention of her non-specific ‘hurt’ and ‘pain’.  Was Brian suffering from PTSD or similar symptoms?  From Brian’s own language, this analyst considers him to have experienced some kind of past trauma, which is not to excuse but potentially give some insight into his behaviour.   

Brian Laundrie’s note begins addressed to Gabby but is clearly intended for the unknown recipient.  It appears self-pitying, self-absorbed and self-justifying.  There is indication of the language of domestic violence, negative attitude towards Gabby, and victim blaming.  His accounts of the events around Gabby’s death are jumbled and appear out of chronological order, indicating deception.  There is high sensitivity with many hina clauses.  However, it is likely that Brian had some discussion with someone on returning home, he was asked questions, and has tailored his narrative accordingly, therefore the note may be ‘contaminated’.   He has withheld the chunk of time from Gabby’s death to going home.  This missing time likely covers disposal of Gabby’s body, which is not an expected action if she had died of ‘an unexpected tragedy’.  At no point does Brian issue a reliable denial ‘I did not kill (or murder) Gabby.’  His apology to Gabby comes in the section for the unknown recipient, indicating that it is more ‘for show’ than it is heartfelt, and he is likely more sorry for his own loss.  

Q Was Gabby Petito’s death an ‘unexpected tragedy? 

A No.  

 

 

110 comments:

Anneke Oberholzer said...

Well done Delle!

Anonymous said...

"I am ending my life not because of a fear of punishment but..." Is this "punishment" close to an embedded confession?

Let's say that Brian is innocent. He euthanized Gabby, and somehow that was morally only sensible option.
Why then, he uses the word "punishment"? (albeit in the negative) Where the notion of "punishment" comes from if not from guilty conscience?

Anonymous said...

Regarding the compliment to Gabby at the end of the note: he doesn’t use her name. He simply says “The most wonderful girl in the world”. I don’t think he believes this statement.

Regarding the litter: In the police cam video, Gabby and Brian’s fight had started because she was trying to clean and was upset about the mess in the van. If I remember correctly, he had tried to convince her that her desire for cleanliness was irrational.

Anonymous said...

Unless vanlife teams are all fastidiously tidy, it will quickly devolve into a vanful of flies. Sanitation Insecurity may have contributed to Gabby's distress in Utah. RIP

John Mc Gowan said...
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John Mc Gowan said...

Excellent analysis, thank you.

.....

OT:

Ricky Martin accused of incest and domestic violence by nephew, lawyer disputes allegations
Ricky Martin, 50, could potentially face 50 years in prison if accusations are true.

Ricky Martin is being accused of domestic violence and incest by his nephew, Dennis Yadiel Sanchez, and the singer’s attorney is denying all allegations.

Earlier this month, Martin, 50, was hit with a restraining order during an incident in Puerto Rico, but the accuser's name was originally withheld. According to the Spanish news site Marca, Martin’s brother, Eric Martin, revealed the identity of the accuser as his 21-year-old nephew.

Sanchez recently identified Martin, his uncle, as his alleged assailant.

"Unfortunately, the person who made this claim is struggling with deep mental health challenges," Marty Singer, Martin’s attorney told Fox News Digital.

"Ricky Martin has, of course, never been - and would never be - involved in any kind of sexual or romantic relationship with his nephew. The idea is not only untrue, it is disgusting."

Singer continued: "We all hope that this man gets the help he so urgently needs. But, most of all, we look forward to this awful case being dismissed as soon as a judge gets to look at the facts."
According to Sanchez, Martin "exercised physical and psychological attacks" against him. Marca reported that the family members were in a seven-month long relationship that ended two months ago. Sanchez is reportedly the son of Martin’s stepsister.

Per Marca, Martin continued to reach out to Sanchez, which resulted in the restraining order being filed in Puerto Rico on July 1.

The outlet noted that incest laws in Puerto Rico could send Martin to prison for 50 years, if the allegations are proven true. The singer is expected to return to Puerto Rico on July 21 for his trial.

After the restraining order was filed, Martin took to Twitter to deny the allegations.

"The protection order entered against me is based on completely false allegations, so I will respond through the judicial process with the facts and the dignity that characterize me," he wrote on social media.

"Because it is an ongoing legal matter, I cannot make detailed statements at this time. I am grateful for the countless messages of solidarity, and I receive them with all my heart."

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/ricky-martin-accused-incest-domestic-violence-nephew-lawyer-disputes-allegations?intcmp=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR3_JkeknuxDB48ZeLrP2zHOO8hUFwWIv-w5PRyIO44fD9tXnPVjbdU1Wz0

Sharon Skidmore said...

Re: OT Ricky Martin

Other former members of the Menudo Boys have recently opened up about the abuse they suffered as young teenagers in that band. I would not be surprised if Ricky has continued the cycle of abuse. It's a gift that keeps on giving. He doesn't make a reliable denial of the allegations.

Anonymous said...

This was not Ricky’s statement but a prepared statement from others. Now, his Twitter statement when this came out was what was first put out by him. That statement does not show a reliable denial. He posted it on Twitter.

C5H11ONO said...

This is what Ricky posted on Twitter. Something prevented him from-stating: “I did jot commit incest or domestic violence on my nephew.”

Ricky statement from Twitter: “The protection order entered against me is based on completely false allegations, so I will respond through the judicial process with the facts and the dignity that characterize me.

Because it is an ongoing legal matter, I cannot make detailed statements at this time. I am grateful for the countless messages of solidarity, and I receive them with all my heart.”

C5H11ONO said...

OT: Biden stated today “That is why I and so many of the people I grew up with have cancer”. It was stated in first person and was affirmative statement. Can a senile old man say this and it be “wrong”?
The video was on Gateway Pundit.

John Mc Gowan said...

When you go beyond a yes/no question and begin to build an alibi.

Snipped:

OP: "Right, is that where your wife is now?
Caller: "Yes, well i've just come home i was out i went to get like something to eat and see the lads at work and get my laptop"

OP: "Yeah"

Caller: "I've come home and the house is ransacked and she's just on the floor, she's got duct tape all over her, and she's like unconscious".

More in link below

When The Lies Unravel: The Case Of Jessica Patel

When a man came home and found the house had been ransacked and his wife attacked, the local community was left in fear and shock. A major police enquiry was launched to catch the culprit and bring them to justice.

Begins with 999 call

https://youtu.be/4bt3NfCSyT0?t=28

John Mc Gowan said...

To add to my OT.

He is telling the truth. He did "just come home". But fails to say he murdered his wife before he went out to create an alibi.

John Mc Gowan said...

OT:

‘Please come home’: Missing Texas Wife Mysteriously Vanishes Without Belongings

A Texas man is pleading for help in locating his wife, who disappeared last week from an RV camping site in

Shana DiMambro, 45, was last seen on July 19 in the 100 block of Mitchell Drive, in Spring Branch. Her husband, Chris Antos, told KENS 5 that she had been depressed recently but it wasn’t anything he thought would get out of control.

“Depression is powerful but she had a lot to live for and a lot to believe in,” Antos told the outlet.


We have to be careful with past tense references however. There maybe many reasons for it's use not all are nefarious and if she does have depression, this maybe playing on his mind hence "She had". It is worth noting all the same. I would like to see a raw unedited interview with context.


Antos reportedly said he spoke to his wife about “some darkness with her and her past” shortly before she disappeared. The following morning he left home for work but when he returned, Shana was gone.

She left behind her belongings, Antos said, including her cellphone, vehicle, dog, cigarettes and wallet.

Two search organizations, including Texas Equusearch and Project Absentis, are currently assisting the Comal County Sheriff’s Office

“I love you. Please come home. Wewant you back,” Antos added.

https://www.crimeonline.com/2022/07/25/please-come-home-missing-texas-wife-mysteriously-vanishes-without-belongings/?fbclid=IwAR0PU5WoM7A13Pu1xmfhPWnrY9hnM98hm9aqYMvbwFptO-tcpTgi6cRLIQU

Transcript Lifted from WS (Observations by me)

KENS 5 News Anchor: "New at 10, a woman vanishes from her RV home in Spring Branch (TX), just north of San Antonio. Take a look. The Comal County Sheriff's Office says 45-year-old Shana DiMambro is missing. Her husband [Chris Antos] says it's been five long days and he desperately wants her home. Sarah Duran [KENS 5 reporter] shares his plea for his wife's return."

Chris Antos [Husband]: "I love you."

Reporter [Sarah Duran]: "Chris Antos wants his wife, Shana DiMambro, to know he's looking for her."

Chris Antos: "Please come home. We want you back."

Reporter: "He won't stop searching 'til she's found. He hopes she's physically and mentally okay."

Chris Antos: "I mean, there was some darkness the night before with her and the past."

Reporter: [0:37 of video] "Antos says she struggles with depression, but isn't convinced she took off on her own." [BBM]

Reporter: "Antos said he left for work last Tuesday [19 July 2022] morning, and when he returned home for lunch his wife was gone. But he noticed DiMambro's car, cell phone, wallet and dog, remained behind. His search expanded into the neighborhood and the nearby gas station." [BBM]

Chris Antos: (Dropped pronoun, double negative) "Didn't see anything. (Dropped pronoun) Came back here and I was like, 'O.K. things aren't right. I got to call the cops.'"

Reporter: "The Comal County Sheriff's Office is searching for her, along with search and rescue non-profits, Texas EquuSearch and Project Absentis, and the couple's families."


Chris Antos: "I don't know what I would have done without them." (Is he thanking SAR for not finding her?)

Reporter: "Holding out hope for DiMambro's return, the family plans to host public searches soon."

Chris Antos: "We're not stopping, the fight is still there, and we're not going to stop until we know something about where Shana is, or until she's home."

VT

https://youtu.be/HifopV-t4RQ

frommindtomatter said...

OT: "Missing texas Woman"

I checked the link John and found another link to a longer interview. I made a partial transcript.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuLcHdi1i4s

So when I left I noticed um… you know we`d, I noticed some Sadness the night before with Shayna, and then uh Tuesday morning I kind of noticed the same thing, but we kind of got up. Uh, pretty much a normal morning. Err, we woke up, we started moving around, err she asked me what time it was. I told her 6: 20.

She got up, she made coffee, she, uh she asked me if I wanted iced coffee and I said no just regular coffee will be fine. And then uh, I just was walking out the door to go to work and I just asked her if she would do laundry that morning and I walked out the door and noticed you know… a look of sadness in her eyes you know, and then I went to work.

Where do you work?

I work at temperature Pro of San Antonio.

Is that far from here?

Uh it's about 40… I, I'd say a 40 - 45 minute travel.

And does she work?

She does not work.

Okay.

Yeah she stays here you know she, like I said she goes back and forth from the Laundromat to here and that's usually about you know the most she gets out during the day you know whether, you know.

How far is the Laundromat?

Uh… 100 yards.

So, and you left for work about 7:00?

Err yeah, right when I got in the truck and turned my truck on it was 7:10 and I timed that just because I kind of gauge somewhat time I'm going to get to the office or whatnot.

Okay and when did you realise that she was not here?

I came back I had a job down the road… um, that I had an install crew working on installing an air conditioner and then I had another sales call at 12 or at two o'clock in the Braunfels so I had some time in between so I came by here just to check on her and just because I had time to kill.

And then when you arrived home?

She was not here.

And what did you do?

I… looked around obviously and then I said well she's not in here everything was normal her cigarettes were outside, umm cup of water was outside full. So I said well maybe she's doing laundry you know I went to the (inaudible), well first I went to the bedroom she wasn’t, she wasn’t in bed. So I went uh… I looked around I was like well the laundry baskets are still here but I still went to the laundry room and looked around up there. Came back here and it was like… this isn't normal you know, it was like it's not normal, it just it isn’t.

So I hung around for a few minutes and then I got in my truck and I drove to the Biggs station, which is if you pull out of here and take a ride on 46 there's a shopping center there. So I drove through there just to see if you know she was wandering around. Didn't see anything, came back here and I was like okay things aren't right I got to call the cops. So I called the cops and then I called her father umm…. and started the process.

Adrian.

John Mc Gowan said...

Thanks, Adrian

Wow..There is a lot in that interview and a lot of sensitivity.

I will just highlight some things.

So when I left I noticed um… you know we`d, I noticed some Sadness the night before with Shayna, and then uh Tuesday morning I kind of noticed the same thing, but we kind of got up. Uh, pretty much a normal morning. Err, we woke up, we started moving around, err she asked me what time it was. I told her 6: 20.

She got up, she made coffee, she, uh she asked me if I wanted iced coffee and I said no just regular coffee will be fine. And then uh, I just was walking out the door to go to work and I just asked her if she would do laundry that morning and I walked out the door and noticed you know… a look of sadness in her eyes you know, and then I went to work.

Where do you work?

I work at temperature Pro of San Antonio.

Is that far from here?

Uh it's about 40… I, I'd say a 40 - 45 minute travel.

And does she work?

She does not work.

Okay.

Yeah she stays here you know she, like I said she goes back and forth from the Laundromat to here and that's usually about you know the most she gets out during the day you know whether, you know.

How far is the Laundromat?

Uh… 100 yards.

So, and you left for work about 7:00?

Err yeah, right when I got in the truck and turned my truck on it was 7:10 and I timed that just because I kind of gauge somewhat time I'm going to get to the office or whatnot.

Okay and when did you realise that she was not here?

I came back I had a job down the road… um, that I had an install crew working on installing an air conditioner and then I had another sales call at 12 or at two o'clock in the Braunfels so I had some time in between so I came by here just to check on her and just because I had time to kill.

And then when you arrived home?

She was not here.

And what did you do?

I… looked around obviously and then I said well she's not in here everything was normal her cigarettes were outside, umm cup of water was outside full. So I said well maybe she's doing laundry you know I went to the (inaudible), well first I went to the bedroom she wasn’t, she wasn’t in bed. So I went uh… I looked around I was like well the laundry baskets are still here but I still went to the laundry room and looked around up there. Came back here and it was like… this isn't normal you know, it was like it's not normal, it just it isn’t.

So I hung around for a few minutes and then I got in my truck and I drove to the Biggs station, which is if you pull out of here and take a ride on 46 there's a shopping center there. So I drove through there just to see if you know she was wandering around. Didn't see anything, came back here and I was like okay things aren't right I got to call the cops. So I called the cops and then I called her father umm…. and started the process.

frommindtomatter said...

OT: "Missing texas Woman"

I hadn’t included the question from the reporter which prompted his first statement. It was an open ended question - “So walk me through what happened last week?” This allows Antos freedom when constructing his answer. Primarily it gives us the listener the opportunity to see what that question elicits from him in terms of where will he begin his statement. He is free to choose and can start from anywhere in the timeline of events. Will he start at when he returns home to find her missing or from some other point?

The question “walk me through what happened” prompted Antos to begin his statement at the point of his leaving the morning his wife gets reported missing. – “So [when] I [left] I [noticed] um” – When thinking about his wifes disappearance his mind moves to when he “left”.

From his first seven words we find four elements to examine, the first being the word “when” which is used to mark time. It reveals that there is some missing/unaccounted for time prior to the “when” he references. He uses this time stamp to combine two other elements in his statement, namely him leaving and him noticing. He is telling us that what he noticed (became aware of) when he left only became apparent at his time of leaving. This is important as we know that this is his priority in his statement, it is the first thing he wants the listener to be aware of when answering the question of “walk me through what happened”. As we listen to what he is saying we anticipate what will follow and when he says –

“So when I left I noticed”

we are expecting the next thing he tells us is what he noticed. The next word he says is “um” which signals a pause and gives him time to think. This means what he says next is something he needs to give thought to. As his statement evolves this information should be compared against later information to see if there is harmony between the data. He wants us to know he only noticed something as he was leaving/when he left. Will later information discredit what he is saying.

So [when] I [left] I [noticed] um… you know [we`d], I noticed [some] Sadness the night before [with] Shayna

After his pause to think he continues and seeks agreement from the reporter by saying “you know” before using the pronoun “We`d”, which signals unity with other/s. In context we must assume the other he is talking about is his wife. At this point he self-censors so we don’t find out what he is thinking in regards to what he and his wife had (we`d) done/experienced, which signals this is information he wishes to withhold. So very early on in his statement he is concealing information from the listener which puts us on alert. With his wife missing what would stop him revealing everything as it may help in locating her.

He moves back to pronoun “I” and says “I noticed [some] Sadness the night before [with] Shayna”

The structure of the above is interesting. Its wording indicates he is putting distance between himself and his wife. He puts his wifes name “Shayna” right at the end of his statement as opposed to closer to the beginning. Also he puts distance between the sadness and his wife via use of the word “with”. To convey information like this takes effort. It’s very simple to say “Shayna was sad last night”, if in fact he believed that was true, but harder to say if it doesn’t. Antos also places an unknown amount on the “sadness” when he says “some sadness”. This is passive language which seeks to restrict information. The listener can try to understand/relate to someone being a little sad or very sad, but cannot learn anything from the passive word “some”. After only a few words it is clear that Antos is not conveying information but rather concealing it.

There is a lot of content in his statements to analyse, which means time and effort is needed to work through them. I haven’t analysed much due to the amount of content and finding time to spend on it. I will chip away at it over the coming days.

Adrian.

Sharon said...

Why the fascination with laundry? Is it related to water or washing in its meaning? Especially when he mentions door in the same sentence with laundry twice. Is it demeaning Shayna into being nothing more than a maid or washerwoman in his estimation? Did he just have a need to explain why there was fresh laundry that day?

frommindtomatter said...

OT: "Missing texas Woman"

From later in the interview - Past tense reference to his wife.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuLcHdi1i4s

5m 55s

“You know depressions powerful, but at the same time, you know, she [had] a lot to live for, and a lot to believe in so”

I hadn’t listened to the whole interview so thought listening through it would be interesting and useful. I missed it, but wife spotted the above.

Adrian.

frommindtomatter said...

That should be "my wife" spotted it.

Adrian.

Anonymous said...

She got up, she made coffee, she, uh she asked me if I wanted iced coffee and
I said no just regular coffee will be fine.
And then uh,
I just was walking out the door to go to work and
I just asked her if she would do laundry that morning and
I walked out the door and noticed you know… a look of sadness in her eyes you know,
and then
Err yeah, right when I got in the truck and turned my truck on it was 7:10 and I timed that just because I kind of gauge somewhat time I'm going to get to the office or whatnot.
-----------------------------

We have a "cluster of blue" involving leaving "walked out the door" and "because".
"The" truck becomes "my" truck.

Did Chris let his truck run before heading to work "or whatnot"?
What does Chris take with him to work "or whatnot"?
Did he load his truck after he turned it on?
Did he load his truck before he turned it on?
How long was the truck on before he departed for work "or whatnot"?
Did he pick anything up or drop anything off on the way to work "or whatnot"?
Did he make any "whatnot" stops that day?
What does "whatnot" look like?
Describe "whatnot".

frommindtomatter said...

Yeah I agree, there is a lot of issues and sensitivity in his statement. The scene itself with cell phone and cigarettes left behind points to either foul play or suicide. He made a past tense reference about his wife that suggests he believes she is in a position which is beyond return. The question is what leads him to that conclusion. In regards to possible suicide the leaving of the items would fit as if she did leave with that purpose in mind she wouldn’t need to take anything with her. What goes against that is it expected the body would have been discovered locally by now.

Adrian.

frommindtomatter said...

OT: "Missing texas Woman"

“So [when] I [left] I [noticed] um… you know [we`d], I noticed [some] Sadness the night before [with] Shayna, and [then] uh Tuesday morning I [kind of] noticed the same thing, but we [kind of] got up. [Uh, pretty much a normal morning. Err, we woke up, we started moving around, err] she asked me what time it was. I told her 6: 20.”

His statement moves out of order. He speaks of “Tuesday morning I kind of noticed”, and then he says “we kind of got up” (“kind of” x2). By qualifying both those actions he weakens his commitment to them. It is expected his statement will move forward from that point in time, but after stating “Uh, pretty much a normal morning” he moves out of order by saying “we woke up” etc…

The words “Uh, pretty much a [normal] morning. Err, we woke up, we started moving around, err” etc… are out of order extra information. What causes them to be inserted? One possibility is that by using the statement “Uh, pretty much a [normal] morning” he sets the stage to then recount what a normal morning looks like. This would allow him to recite what usually takes place or what took place on a different morning as a substitute for reality.

According to media reports the last time she was seen by someone outside her household was on July 14 or 15. Her husband reported her missing on the July 19 leaving a large window of time unaccounted for.

Adrian.

frommindtomatter said...

Body found near to RV park where Shayna was missing from.

https://www.kens5.com/article/news/local/comal-county-body-discovered-investigation-police-texas/273-60421de7-5deb-4fdc-bf42-45e8143ddff1

Hey Jude said...

Brian could have given himself a shred of dignity if he’d just had the nerve to jump in with the alligators, all quietly like, but no, he writes his unbelievable note, makes a song and dance about it, and then doesn’t do it.

“I have killed myself by this creek in the hopes that animals may tear me apart. That it may make some of her family happy.”

Brian didn’t feed himself alive to the alligators, so his hopes were not really “that animals may tear me apart” - being eaten alive is not the same as being scavenged as a corpse - “me” is a living being. He still chooses to say “me” rather than ‘that animals may tear my body/corpse apart’. He’s making his own death sound horrific, even self-punishing, and suggesting Gabby’s family may be made happy by it - which is not his to suggest or assume.

There is such disrespect, IMO, in his mentioning Gabby’s family there, and also in this:

“I wanted to drive north and let James or TJ kill me but I wouldn’t want them to spend time in jail over my mistake, even though I’m sure they would have liked to.”

He has the gall to cast Gabby’s family as the bad guys who would be in jail for killing his heroic misunderstood self if he’d only given them the opportunity, and who would be happy for him to be torn apart by animals.

He’d rather shoot himself in the head (whilst making out he’d been eaten by alligators) than lose control of his narrative - as in face investigation, due process, justice.

Poor Gabby - van life led to her seeing Brian too clearly for his liking.

John Mc Gowan said...

OT:

I came across this great interview with Avinoam Sapir the grandfather of what's now known as (amongst other titles) "Statement Analysis". Avinoam Sapir teaches (S.C.A.N) Scientific Content Analysis.

I've timestamped this particular part of interest. Or watch from the beginning.

"Scale of sensitivity"

"Two components, and they must show up together."

@58 mins

https://youtu.be/GBpss0rIFuU?t=3480








frommindtomatter said...

Thanks for sharing the link John.I enjoyed watching it. Theres another interview here you if you havent seen it already -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhOqSmOSoTI

Adrian.

John Mc Gowan said...

I watched that awhile back, Adrian, it's very good.

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OT:

Rosalind Edwards | Fake victim of Food Trailer Theft.

The food truck was actually repossessed.

https://youtu.be/bAfuxFNa8-k

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OT:

@1:07:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhOqSmOSoTI&t=4051s

"You find out that abuser parents do not use the word Son and Daughter in their language, none. And if a parent says My Son the relationship is perfect. Like for example when you said at the beginning, "My Dad" you had a good relationship with your Dad, because you did say "My Dad". Now, the main point is..The word "Child" indicates grave danger to the kid. My child means a lot of danger to the kid. And by the way this is even true today. It is depriving the word "Son" and "daughter".

Avinoam Sapir Invented SCAN

JonBenet Ramsey case: Father remembers 'daddy's girl' on what would be her 32nd birthday
John Ramsey launched a petition in April asking the Boulder government to to help advance his daughter's murder case.

Snipped:

"She was a daddy's girl," John Ramsey, JonBenet's father, told Fox News Digital the day before his daughter's birthday. "She was really proud that she was named after me, and she would tell people that. My name is John Bennett, so that's where that came from."

Ramsey described his daughter as "an extrovert, very outgoing, full of energy and personality." She was "smart and very, very outgoing." He worried that she would want to "run off to Hollywood" when she grew up, because she loved to "dance and perform and put on little shows" for her family at home.

On the night JonBenet was born in 1990, her mother, Patsy Ramsy, told her husband it was "time to go to the hospital," which was about "six miles away" from their then-Atlanta home.

"It was, like, midnight, and I looked at my speedometer and I was going over 100, and I thought, ‘That’s not a good idea.' So, I slowed down, but we got to the hospital. They took her right into delivery. There was no epidural, no nothing, because it was fast. They said, 'Next time, if you have another child, you better live closer to the hospital," Ramsey recalled.

JonBenet "arrived with a bang…and that was how she was in life," Ramsey said.


He remembered one night when he came home from work and had a frown on his face, which JonBenet noticed.

"She said, ‘Dad, I don’t like that face.' So, I kind of put on a fake smile, and she said, ‘That’s better.' That was justice her personality," he said.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/jonbenet-ramsey-case-father-remembers-daddys-girl-her-32nd-birthday?fbclid=IwAR0D-9pQjsSgQkf7ywfYV6UyKK4b9taD1Ttnw0nhhOHDldCeHSdo4JElBtA

"Let's get this solved. It's just…crazy. A young child was murdered. Nothing's happened. We've got to do better in this country," Ramsey said. "So, I was really encouraged by the sentiments that I read in the comments. And quite frankly, quite re-energized. We've been fighting this battle from almost the beginning to try and get this case handled by competent people."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/jonbenet-ramsey-case-father-pursue-legal-action-colorado-ignores-request-independent-dna-testing

frommindtomatter said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93UdoApio5s

7m 40s

Regarding the discovery of his daughter in the basement -

Interviewer: What was that moment like John?

JR: [Well], when I [first] found [her] it was, it was just a rush of, you know, thank God I`ve found her. And that, it was a relief, like an overwhelming relief that I`d found her. And then I realised pretty quickly that she wasn’t alive, and err… I just screamed. And err… but I`d found her.

I believe it’s a recent interview from 60 minutes Australia. How many times can you find someone? His use of “first” speaks to there being other times. If there is a first then then must be a second etc… The words first, second, third, fourth etc… are called “ordinal numbers”. They are numbers used to identify the position of something in a list. John Ramsey used the extra unnecessary word “first” when describing finding his daughter, which gives the listener extra information. In his own words he tells us he found her more than once.

Adrian.

JusrJenna said...

Honestly, this analysis is awful. Peter, I usually find your SA insightful. But this is seemed like a huge stretch. You're reading into things insteador believing what Laundrie says, which is what you always tell us to do. "Spend time" is a common saying, it does not indicate money. When someone falls in water or is drowning, people often describe it as they pulled the victim out of the water. It's not an indicator of violence. And why is it a big deal for him to use the word water and creek interchangeably? As a writer, I often switch up the words I use. It sounds repetitive if I don't.

Why would Laundrie lie right before he killed himself?

P.S. Might I suggest a VBB forum? It's tiresome to come to the comments only to discover people discussing a completely different case.

frommindtomatter said...

JusrJenna said...

“Honestly, this analysis is awful. Peter, I usually find your SA insightful.”

The first line of the article is the heading/title. It states the subject and author. The Analyst has given many insights following SA principles, and also included their own opinions in the analysis. The case is not one which needs to be held back on as we already know the outcome. This leaves the door open for the analyst to give more open and personal opinions about the content. The markers are covered, such as passivity, distancing, sensitivity etc… The rest may be opinion, and as people say, “opinions vary”. Note that the analyst says “this analyst” a number of times before giving their opinions signalling their understanding that others may not agree.

“As a writer, I often switch up the words I use. It sounds repetitive if I don't.”

There is a difference between telling stories and telling lies. The mind-set of a liar is not the same as that as an author. If you had murdered someone would you review your suicede note and edit it to make it more exciting/atmospheric for its readers.

“Why would Laundrie lie right before he killed himself?”

For fear of what others will think of him, such as his family and friends etc… He may have considered the treatment his family may receive from the general public if he is deemed some kind of monster. Also he has to make peace with himself psychologically; I don’t think he would want to think of himself as a monster. The mind finds ways to deal with cognitive dissonance; can you be a murderer and an upstanding person at the same time? The mind will find a way to explain away the conflict, perhaps by blaming things on another person or outside forces etc… If a person cannot be honest with themselves it is not expected they will be able to do so with others.

Adrian.

John Mc Gowan said...

Shana Alison DiMambro OT Update:

Meanwhile, Millican on Wednesday clarified CCSO’s investigation into the DiMambro death.

The 45-year-old Spring Branch woman went missing July 19, and searchers discovered her body lying in the middle of a dried up retention pond at a property 200 yards from her residence in the Texas 46 RV Park.

“At this point we don’t have any evidence of there being a criminal connection or offense,” Millican said last week, following an autopsy that CCSO said indicated “no apparent, signs of trauma.”

Toxicology results from the autopsy, however, could take weeks, even months — meaning homicide has not totally been ruled out as the cause, Millican said.

“Until we get all of those results and confirm everything, along with all of the other evidence, we can’t say it wasn’t a homicide or a (natural) death,” he said.



https://herald-zeitung.com/community_alert/authorities-continue-investigations-into-2-spring-branch-deaths/article_c810ec54-18fc-11ed-a701-7b1928b10523.html?fbclid=IwAR1jusVuYy9TtFkalGgNu4sCTRDYuPhq74UC1OtwzGJbuLI7xNAKSCisvZg

Hey Jude said...

OT - Just Jenna

It is a really interesting and good analysis - the criticism is unmerited, IMO.

—-

Re: “spend time” - also waste, take, give, lose, use, find, pass, make, fill, and kill time - all are variously used, as the speaker finds most fitting.

“Spend time” is interesting. Time wasted is unprofitably “spent”, whilst time well “spent” can be considered an investment - it needn’t relate to money/finance, yet it could, where always “time is money”.

Energy, resources, bodies can all be spent - used up, exhausted - so “spent” might simply be used to describe time which was filled with particularly arduous effort.

If some people limit their use to “spend time” and “waste time” - they are probably far too busy to think much about time, or maybe they have quite a limited vocabulary. Brian would be more likely to fall into the latter category, but as we’re unlikely to be reading “The Life and Times of Brian Laundrey” any time ever, there’s not much chance of knowing what other uses he might have attached to time.



Hey Jude said...

Transcript of a media interview
Christopher Anton - husband of missing Shana DiMambro (found deceased)



Reporter: There’s been actually quite a few missing persons lately.

Chris Antos: Nah, we’re seeing that - the world is full of that these days - so yeah, my best friend came by the other day and thank God he did - thank God I called him and he did come by but he hooked me up with a guy named Jerrod Tubbs who’s like a canine guy, um - retired, and he’s the one that said get a hold of [Amy ?] - and so we got Selena [?]’s number - he uh called her and she’s the one that got Abel involved,

Reporter: Okay

Chris Antos: So yeah, very thankful for that, and very thankful for you guys.

Reporter: Yeah, he’s a great resource for me, and former FBIs

And like you said, you’ll just stay looking - go ahead and just start with your first name and last name, Chris.

Chris Antos: My first name is Christopher Antos -

Reporter: - and then spell both of them

Chris Antos: Uh -Christopher - C-H-R -I-S -T-O-P-H-E-R - last name Antos -
A-N-T-O-S

Reporter: Do you mind if I call you Chris, or Christopher?

Chris Antos: Uh, Chris is fine

Reporter: Chris is fine, okay. So walk me through what happened last Tuesday

Chris Antos: So, when I left I noticed uh - you know, with - I noticed some sadness the night before with Shana and then Tuesday morning I kinda noticed the same thing - but we kind of got up - pretty much a normal morning - uh we woke up, we started moving around, uh, she asked me what time it was, I told her six twenty - she got up - she made coffee - she uh, she asked me if I wanted ice coffee and I said no, just regular coffee’ll be fine - and then uh, I just - walking out the door to go to work, and I just asked her if she would do laundry that morning, and I walked out the door, an’ - noticed, you know, a look of sadness in her eyes, you know, and then I went to work.

Reporter: Where do you work?

Chris Antos: I work at Temperature Pro, of San Antonio

Reporter: Is that far from here?

Chris Antos: Uh, it’s about forty-f-five - I’d say a forty, forty-five minute travel

Reporter: And does she work?

Chris Antos: She does not work.

Reporter: Okay - So - so she’ll take it easy

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Chris Antos: Yeah, she stays here, you know - like I said, she goes back and forth from the laundry mat to here, and that’s usually about, you know, the most she gets out during the day, you know - whether, you know

Reporter: How far is the laundry mat?

Chris Antos: Uhh - hundred yards

Reporter: Uh, okay, so - and you left for work about seven?

Chris Antos: I, yeah right - when I got in the truck and turned my truck on it was seven ten and I - timed that just ‘cos I - kinda gauge on what time I’m gonna get to the office or what not

Reporter: Okay - uh, and then when did you realise that she wasn’t here?

Chris Antos: Uh, I came back had a job down the road, uh, that I had an install crew working on installing air conditioner and then I had another sales call at twelve - oh, right, two o’clock in New [?] so I had some time in between so I came by here just to check on her and just ‘cos I had time to kill.

Reporter: And then, once you arrived home?

Chris Antos: She was not here.

Reporter: And what - what did you do?

Chris Antos: I - looked around, obviously - and then I said, “Well, she’s not in here.” Everything was normal, her cigarettes were outside, um - cup of water was outside, full - so I said, “well, maybe she’s doing laundry” y’know, so I went to - first I went to the bedroom - she - she went, she weren’t in bed - so I went, uh, I looked around, I was like laundry baskets are still here, but I still went to the laundry room - and looked around up there - came back here - was like this isn’t normal, you know, it was like it’s not normal - just it isn’t, so I hung around for a few minutes and then I got in my truck and I drove to the uh Biggs Station, which is, if you pull out of here and take a right on forty-six, there’s a shopping centre there -so I drove through there, just to see if - you know, if she was wandering around - didn’t see anything, came back here, and I was like, okay, things aren’t right, I gotta call the cops, so I called the cops and then I called her father - um, and - then started the process.

Reporter: And you were saying that she usually doesn’t leave home unless it’s with you?

Chris Antos: Correct.

Reporter: And again, tell me - I mean - any reason to believe why she would leave home on her own?

Chris Antos: No. Not - you know, you know, other than - um - no, no. I mean there was some darkness the night before with
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her and her past - and there’s some spiritual warfare stuff there that I believe, you know, was taking place but I don’t believe that - - I just don’t see her walking out of here in shorts, tee-shirt and flip-flops, you know - it - that - it’s hard for me to believe when nothing was disrupted inside or in the outside area, so. There was some sadness there - I won’t tell you that there wasn’t, but I don’t see her just leaving and - you know, not w-walking back - it was hot - so.

Reporter: Can you be a little bit more specific about the sadness she was going through - did you guys have an argument?

Chris Antos: No, no. - just uh, her past, you know. We’re believers, of course, and I think she jus’ - there was some issues that she had, you know, mentioned to me about - you know - just her past and things that she had done, and being, you know. I don’t think that she - God obviously forgives everybody for their sins - that’s, you know, that’s what we go off. i think she had a hard

Hey Jude said...

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time believing herself, or forgiving herself, um, for things in her past, you know - and I - - just - she - jus’ eh - dark - some darkness, you know.

Reporter: Was she depressed?

Chris Antos: There was depression involved, yes, without a doubt.

Reporter: And her cell phone - did she have a cell phone?

Chris Antos: It - it was all here. The Comal County Sheriff, uh, has it now - they’re gonna try to get a little bit deeper into it, so - they have that, but there was no texts, or no phone calls that we could find, um, whether there was anything - yeah, her phone was here, keys were here, wallet was here, dog was here - she loves her dog, Maisie’s our - that’s our, it the only baby we have, and so’s very odd, um, you know - depression’s powerful, but at the same time, you know, she had a lot to live for and a lot to believe in, so.

Reporter: Describe her to me? Characteristics

Chris Antos: She’s a great person, my mom that just left - I mean we spent January at my mom’s house, for a month and my mom was bedridden, you know, excuse me but [ TMI ] - Shana did it all, Shana took care of her, Shana figured out how to get the bed lowered for my mom -[ TMI]. Shana just got the biggest heart in the world, and it, yeah, she had - yeah, she - just, you know - depression, you know, was there just a little bit but she’s the greatest person in the world, I don’t - I just don’t think that she quite realised it.

Reporter: Yeah. Was she taking any sort of medications, or seeking out help?

Chris Antos: No.

Reporter: Um -Tell me what she looks like - what was she wearing.

Chris Antos: I would - she’s about five six, you know - on the, on the flyer that I put out it’s about a hundred and forty - the flyer that we put out, I’m sorry - um, a hundred and thirty - I put a hundred and forty pounds on it - she’s probably more like one thirty, probably a little bit less than that. She was wearing light pink wind shorts, not hot pink, light pink - and a white v-neck tee-shirt like the one I’m wearing now, and black flip-flops are the only shoes missing from the house so that’s what I would have to say she was wearing.

Reporter: I saw on the flyer it said her hair was brown but it almost looks blonde.

Chris Antos: Brownish-greyish - you know, you know, she - she’s dyed it before - there was - you know, she had dyed it red, but I would, I’m gonna - I would go with brownish-greyish.

Reporter: So since you’ve called the cops what have the last few days been like? Searches. What are they telling you?

Chris Antos: We’re - they haven’t told me anything much. We had to go to the Sheriff’s Office yesterday uh to get approval for Texas Equusearch to start a search - which they did come out and fly drones - uh, Thursday morning between, I would say four, and eight or nine o’clock, so, they came out and did that process and to go any forward, any further, they had to have approval, so, we did - we couldn’t get in contact with them, they couldn’t get in contact with them, so me and her father drove to the uh - the Sheriff’s Office yesterday and finally we sat down with somebody and got approval, got an email sent to Equusearch to - hey, you can move forward with helping with the process -

Reporter: Okay

Chris Antos:

and of course we’re involved with uh Project Absentis, that is helping us with the process as of now, which was connected with another media company, so. There’s several people involved, um, and it’s out there, you know

Reporter: And as far as the search effort goes - drones

Chris Antos: Drones and you know, foot patrol through local areas, you know, traffic areas that we think of, but nothing major on the ground, you know - horses and dogs. We’re surrounded by private property so obviously that’s a challenge as well, but nothing - nothing on the ground has been done - we’ve gone, you know, behind Walmart and Spring Branch and travelled a couple of different areas but nothing major on foot to find her, if she’s under a tree or something like that.

Hey Jude said...

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Reporter: Does she have a car?

Chris Antos: It’s here.

Reporter: It’s here - okay. Um. Um…

Male Reporter: did she have anyone she would confide in when she was low?

Chris Antos: No. Me.

Reporter: You’re the only person she would -

Chris Antos: I mean she’s got family back home that she - she could have - I don’t think she did, much, you know - and we talked but nothing- no-one here, no-one in the area, her past, you know she grew up here but her past is in the rear view mirror, so there’s nothing, there’s no-one here - her mom lives here - there’s some contact between them - obviously we’re in contact with her but there’s nothing significant, you know, like I said, there’s nothing on the phone, um, that would suggest she was reaching out to people or anything like that.

Reporter: There’s a Facebook group - uh, more than four hundred people are part of it - they’re all talking about what happened or may have happened to her. Are you part of that?

Chris Antos: I - I’m not, I’m not on Facebook but my sister is - everybody involved with the search is - so yeah.

Reporter: They’re very supportive, they want to help. I mean is there anything they can do to help?

Chris Antos: Everybody - I just really want you - first of all I wanna thank you all for being engaged in this process. We’ve had - it’s an overwhelming amount of support - responses, people saying “Hey, we’re out there, we’re looking.” We’ve had a couple of possible sightings, nothing significant but I wanna thank everybody and I wanna ask everybody, please do not stop the fight. We’re not giving up, it’s a process, we’re going with a lot of entities that we have to be engaged with, but can’t necessarily go do things, so we’re not stopping, the fight is still there - we’re not going to stop until we know something about where Shana is, or until she’s home - so I’m asking everybody, please do not stop. I’m putting updates on Next Door, there’ll be updates on the Facebook page, um, Shana’s Missing - anything we can get out of people, but please don’t give up, and we will be putting updates as to how people can help, and we’ll do them as soon as we can and please forgive us for the lack of response, you know, it’s hard - there’s a lot of phone calls, a lot of messages going on, so just I’m asking everybody not to give up, we’re not giving up - it’s gunna keep going on, uh, we’re Tuesday through Saturday now, it’s terrible- it’s not gonna stop until we know something more about Shana.

Reporter: Ultimately, who’s keeping you from having just regular people assist?

Uh - no-one.

Reporter: Oh, okay

Chris Antos: Well, - Comal County - I understand your question now, Comal County - you know, when I asked them to do the phone activation, but these private companies, non-profits, Project Absentis, you know, I was able to sign a waiver through them, they were able to do that - but Equusearch had to have approval from Comal County - I got them that - another company Texar - they needed approval - I got them an email but to expedite it they had to have voice activated- something voice activated through their website - I couldn’t get that pulled off - I just need, yes, definitely, law enforcement has to - they’re private companies you know so they have to have something to say, hey, you can help - they have to cover their tracks as well, and not lead themselves into a legal position, which we all understand.

Hey Jude said...

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Reporter: What would be your message to Shana?

Chris Antos: I love you. Please come home. We want you back. Please come home. Just do what you gotta do, baby. Keep up the fight, n stay strong - we are looking for you - please come home.

Reporter: What’s the best way to contact you, or who should people contact

Chris Antos: 911 first and foremost. A lot of people don’t believe that - they want to know who’s involved, but 911 if you have any information. My phone number is.[xxxxxxxx ]- um, so 911 and my telephone number, or any of the social media outlets. But guys, if y’all see Shana, or if you think you see Shana, call 911- that’s obviously the best thing that anyone can do is just call 911.

END

John Mc Gowan said...

OT:

Missing Kiely Rodni: A Timeline of the 16-year-old's disappearance from campground party

Authorities have received more than 900 tips related to 16-year-old Kiely Rodni's disappearance from a campground party one week ago in Tahoe National Forest in Truckee, California.

Officials believe she may have been abducted and are treating their investigation as an abduction. An Amber Alert has not been issued in the case yet, however, as there is no evidence at this time to confirm that Rodni was kidnaped.

Here's a timeline of events that have occurred since Rodni vanished:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/missing-kiely-rodni-timeline-16-year-olds-disappearance-campground-party

Sami Smith LIVE! Missing 16-year-old Kiely Rodni of Truckee, California.

Sami Smith was with Kiely Rodni the night she went missing from the party. Here is a full transcript of an interview she gave.

https://medium.com/@brookemarin/sami-smith-live-5376bf99675e

Hey Jude said...

OT -Kiely Rodin

“ I SAW HER THE MOMENT SHE GOT THERE AND FROM THAT MOMENT ON WE WERE PRETTY MUCH SEEN TOGETHER ALL AROUND THE PARTY.”

Alibi building - and how could they be “pretty much seen together” - either they were seen together or not. The “seen” shouldn’t be necessary - it is necessary to the friend who is trying to persuade that Kiely was at the party.

I question if Kiely was ever there.



Hey Jude said...

OT - Christopher Anton interview

I forgot to include the video link:

https://www.youtube.com/c/kens5

frommindtomatter said...

OT -Kiely Rodin

I transcribed the quote below from the video for accuracy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBWodApjikE

Approx 17m 45s

“She does not currently have a boyfriend -

She [was] rocking the single life like [I], like [we] [used] to say. She just [wanted] to be open and single, and have fun as a kid.”

As opposed to “she is” rocking the single life, the speaker instead uses “she was” past tense. Also opposed to “She just wants” to be open, the speaker uses “wanted” which references past desire. This language speaks to what Sami believes in her mind. Bear in mind that belief and knowledge are two separate things. If witnessing a serious road accident one might believe those involved are dead due to the nature of the accident, but it is only upon confirmation of the deaths that the belief will be proven or disproven and become definitive knowledge. Either way we should ask what would cause Sami to believe that Kiely is no longer capable of “being” or “wanting”.

Possibilities: – she saw or is aware of something which leads her to that belief – She has intimate knowledge of her death – Other information such as length of time missing (if appropriate).

Adrian.

Hey Jude said...

OT - Kiely Rodni


Hi, Adrian - Quite early on some people who spoke on camera placed Kiely in the past tense - it’s still too early, or should be, IMO.

——

I think these are examples of ‘magical thinking’? Such strange statements.


“It’s not just people coming together to have a party. We’re connected to her musically and we’re playing her songs, and we’re playing things that we hope she can hear so she knows we’re going to find her soon.”


“We feel like hopefully this will help draw her here and know at least wherever she is and know we’re helping her - look for her, and you know, that our community is all here.”


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5-XRMDYmuE

Hey Jude said...

OT - Shane Dimambo

I wonder, when her husband speaks of darkness - could that be like the light being switched off - failed sexual activity?

If I decided to kill myself, and if I was a smoker, I’d be sure to take my cigarettes - I’d want a last cigarette. I’d probably do the laundry too, so no-one could say that I hadn’t done it. If I were depressed , laundry and a last cigarette might not matter to me in the same way, but we only have the husband’s word that Shana was depressed. Maybe she wasn’t allowed to go out, except to do laundry?

I think maybe Shana didn’t have cash, except for doing laundry, or access to a bank account, as his suggestion was that he looked for Shana at the shopping place in case she was wandering round there - but why would she be just “wandering” rather than shopping if she had gone there? If he knew she had no money, he’d know she couldn’t be shopping.

Why does he ask Shana if she is doing laundry? She only goes out to the laundry mat - could that be the only reason he gives her money - to use the laundry machines?

John Mc Gowan said...

OT -Kiely Rodin

Sami Smith, Kielys Friends statement.

A couple of points

Snipped:

Caps are not mine, i copied and pasted.

SO THEN KIELY & I WERE GOING AROUND TAKING SHOTS.

AND JUST DRINKING. WWE WERE TRADING DRINKS WITH EACH OTHER. WE WERE SHARING DRINKS WITH EACH OTHER.

WE WOULD GO BACK TO HER CAR TO GET SOME ALCOHOL SOMETIMES & THEN WE WENT TO HER CAR TO CHARGE HER PHONE.

AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT JUST RANDOM STUFF. IT’S KIND OF HARD TO REMEMBER.

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HER TEXTING HER MOM AND HER CHARGING HER PHONE AND JUST ABOUT THE PARTY IN GENERAL AND THEN WE HAD A FEW OTHER FRIENDS IN THE CAR AND THEN WE ALL DECIDED TO GO BACK TO THE PARTY.

Not the repartition of car making the car sensitive.
Note the minimising (Just) about what they were talking about. What else was said?
Who were the "few other friends" and have they come forward?
Note: "And then we all decided to go back the party"
Why the emphasis on "all"? Given that she says they "all decided." Did some not want to go back to the party and if so, why?
Were there narcotics in the car and this is why it is sensitive or other "Activities"

AND THEN WE WERE AROUND THERE FOR A BIT. I HAD ASKED HER FOR A RIDE HOME WHEN WE WERE IN THE CAR BECAUSE MY RIDE WAS LEAVING. AND I WANTED TO STAY AT THE PARTY LONGER.

AND SO THEN WE ENDED UP SPLITTING UP IN THE PARTY BECAUSE I WANTED TO GO FIND ANOTHER RIDE WHEN WE GOT BACK INTO THE PARTY AFTER LEAVING THE CAR.

AT THE END OF THE PARTY WHEN I SAW HER, SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE GIVING ME A RIDE HOME BECAUSE I’D ASKED HER BECAUSE I WANTED TO STAY LATER

I THEN REALIZED LATER IN THE PARTY THAT I BELIEVE SHE WAS DRUNK

AND I KNEW SHE WAS DRUNK SO I DID NOT WANT HER TO BE DRIVING ME HOME

BECAUSE YOU KNOW I KNOW ABOUT DRUNK DRIVERS AND ALL THAT

SO I FIGURED SHE WOULD BE STAYING THERE OR SHE WOULD FIND A RIDE HOME

BECAUSE SHE’S A SMART GIRL

SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW, JUST — SHE’S SMART

AND SO UM THEN I FOUND HER AS I WAS LEAVING THE PARTY

I WAS MAKING SURE TO FIND HER TO TELL HER THAT I HAD ANOTHER RIDE HOME

AND THAT I LOVED HER AND I WANTED TO SAY BYE AND FOR HER TO HAVE FUND AT THE PARTY

AND THEN WHEN I LEFT THE PARTY; WE WERE PRETTY MUCH ON 89 WITH MY RIDE AND UM SHE CALLED ME AS I WAS IN THE CAR IN THE PASSENGER SEAT

Who is "we"?
Why does she feel the need to conceal gender and or name?
Has she asked not to?

I WAS IN THE CAR IN THE PASSENGER SEAT

Why does Sami emphasise she was "In the passenger seat"
Was it her driving and does not want to say so because she was under the influence and this is why she omits whom was with her, if anyone?
Has this other person come forward or were he/she under the influence, too.?
There is also a lot of "and then" a jump in time (Temporal Lacunai)

AND SHE WAS LIKE, “HEY, WHERE ARE YOU? DO YOU STILL NEED A RIDE HOME?”

AND I WAS LIKE, “NO. I’M OKAY. I’M IN THE CAR RIGHT NOW. I’M GETTING DRIVEN HOME RIGHT NOW.”

I believe Sami is holding back information surrounding the missing car. I don't believe, however, (at this time) she has any involvement in kielys disappearance.

Bobcat said...

The video interview with Sami: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBWodApjikE

I gave it a listen and filled in quite a few missing statements. I didn't bother correcting the caps from the "transcript" Here: https://medium.com/@brookemarin/sami-smith-live-5376bf99675e.

Interviewer: Give us a rundown of the party. I understand it was a large gathering.

Sami: Yeah, so, it was supposed to be a senior farewell party, where a- all the seniors and everybody from around our area, like Tahoe, and Truckee, and, Incline, and King’s Beach were supposed to be there. They were invited there because, um – j- it was supposed to be like saying goodbye to your favorite seniors before everybody starts going off to college because soon enough here people are going to start, leaving and moving out. And so Kiely’s a senior, or she was like, she graduated early, so she was considered a senior, and I was a senior, so every senior was initially invited to the party. And as well, um, all grades were invited just it so, it was, they could say goodbye. So, I had talked to Kiely, and I had known she was going beforehand. We hadn’t planned on going together and we ended up not going together. She, came with her best friend Mags, um Mags Larson. Magadelene, sorry is her first name. Yeah, and so, she, came with her, drove in with her.
And then, um, Mags ended up leaving about 10 minutes into the party with her boyfriend, Ross. Mag’s boyfriend. And, um, told Kiely goodbye and everything. And they were never planning on, like, leaving together or staying together at the party. They just went to the party together BECAUSE THEY WERE HANGING OUT EARLIER IN THE DAY. And then, um, I h- SAW HER THE second SHE GOT THERE AND FROM THAT MOMENT ON WE WERE, PRETTY MUCH SEEN TOGETHER ALL AROUND THE PARTY. WE WOULD BREAK OFF FOR MERE MOMENTS FROM EACH OTHER TO, GO TALK TO OTHER PEOPLE OR TO GO DO, OTHER THINGS, YOU KNOW, BUT WE u-, we WOULD ALWAYS COME BACK TO EACH OTHER. WE WERE, um, just going around the party. We were DRINKING THE SAME DRINKS, bEING TEENAGERS. THROWING GLOW STICKS INTO THE PARTY. AND IT STARTED TO GROW REALLY BIG. I WOULD SAY AROUND 10 TO 10:30. IT JUST BLEW UP, like it started TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE I WAS GETTING OVERWHELMED AND I’M A VERY SOCIAL PERSON.
I’VE BEEN TO A LOT OF THESE PARTIES; I have NEVER BEEN OVERWHELMED. I’VE ACTUALLY BEEN UNDERWHELMED, but, THIS PARTY, IT WAS, it was VERY LARGE. Like, it WAS, BIGGER THAN, ANY PARTY WE’VE HAD IN TRUCKEE ALL YEAR, and for A LOT OF, like YEARS PAST. THERE WERE PEOPLE FROM, WHAT WE THINK, SACRAMENTO, SAN FRANCISCO- I REMEMBER TALKING TO SOMEBODY WHO WAS FROM SAN FRANCISCO, RENO, FULSOME - AREAS THAT WERE JUST WAY OUT OF REACH FROM IT. AND, IT WAS REALLY OVERWHELMING AND har- WEIRD TO SEE BUT I didn’t REALLY THINK MUCH OF IT. I JUST THOUGHT- Oh KIDS WERE FROM AROUND HERE, THEY HAVE VACATION HOMES UP HERE. THEY’RE JUST COMING TO PARTY, ’CAUSE, WHY NOT? SO THEN KIELY and I WERE GOING AROUND, TAKING SHOTS, AND, JUST DRINKING.
M- WE WERE TRADING DRINKS WITH EACH OTHER, WE WERE SHARING DRINKS WITH EACH OTHER. WE WOULD GO BACK TO HER CAR TO GET SOME ALCOHOL, SOMETIMES. And THEN, WE WENT TO HER CAR TO CHARGE HER PHONE. AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT um, JUST, RANDOM STUFF. And then, it- IT’S KIND OF HARD TO REMEMBER. And, so, or, no, we WERE TALKING ABOUT, um, HER TEXTING HER MOM AND HER CHARGING HER PHONE AND stuff and JUST ABOUT THE PARTY IN GENERAL. AND THEN, WE, HAD A FEW OTHER FRIENDS IN THE CAR. AND THEN WE ALL DECIDED TO GO BACK TO THE PARTY. AND WE WERE AROUND in THERE FOR A BIT. I HAD ASKED HER FOR A RIDE HOME WHEN WE WERE IN THE CAR BECAUSE MY RIDE WAS LEAVING. AND I WANTED TO STAY AT THE PARTY LONGER. AND SO THEN WE, ENDED UP, um, SPLITTING UP IN THE PARTY BECAUSE I went TO GO FIND ANOTHER RIDE WHEN WE GOT BACK INTO THE PARTY AFTER LEAVING THE CAR. SO THAT WE COULD, UM- SORRY MY MIND Is, in the m- (crosstalk)

Stopped at 16:48. Hopefully more later.

frommindtomatter said...

OT -Kiely Rodin

Hey John,

Looking at the last part you posted. I went and listened to the audio to see if anything was missed and also have took it out of caps as I find it hard to look at.

“And so um… then I found her as I was leaving the party. I was making sure to find her [to] tell her that I had [another] ride home, and that err, [I loved her] and I wanted to say bye, and for her to have fun at the party.”

Sami doesn’t say she actually told Kieli anything, only that she “was making sure to find her [to] tell her”. It would be easy for Sami to say “I found her and told her I had found a ride home”, but she avoided committing to doing that. This allows that she left without informing Kieli, meaning Kieli would have been waiting around for her. That Kylie phoned her later allegedly saying “Do you [still] need a ride home?” supports that Sami left without speaking to her as why would Kieli call her if she already knew Sami had a ride.

You flagged up her statement regarding being in the passenger seat. I listened to that section and found extra content. She says “[I’m drive]… I`m [like] getting driven home now.” The extra content being she initially begins with “I`m drive”, before changing to “I`m [like] getting driven home now.” See below -

“And then when I [left] the party, [we] were on, we were [pretty] much on 89, [with] my ride, and um, [she] called me [as] I was in the car [in the passenger seat] and she was [like], “hey, where are you? Do you [still] need a ride home?” and I was [like], “no. I’m okay, [like] I’m in [the] car [right] now. [I’m driv]… I`m [like] getting driven home now.”

That’s interesting as she shows sensitivity by saying “as I was in the car” and then goes further by mentioning her location of “in the passenger seat”, which isn’t necessary. Looking through her statement she spends a lot of effort talking about “rides home” multiple times signalling its importance to her.

Is there guilt for leaving her friend drunk (and possibly more) alone at the party, or does she know more? What was said in the phone call when Sami was in the car? Sami uses the word “like” a lot in her statement, and although common use language it always draws my attention as things that are “like” something are only like them, not the same as them. Someone who is described as “like” unconscious by a subject is often actually dead. The two states having similarities in that the person is non-responsive. It is easier for a liar to use the former even when knowing the person is deceased.

Adrian.

Hey Jude said...

OT - Kiely

Is there any significance in Sami first referring, a couple of times, to Kiely’s car as “her car” and later (after there were other friends in the car and them ALL deciding to go back to the party) as”the car”. It was Kiely’s car then it became the car.

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Strange if Kiely took her belt off when she used the bathroom - no need to take it off, just unbuckle. Sami said she took it off.
Sami said “I saw her” wearing the black bodysuit. Seems odd to say - rather than “she was wearing.” Also, police now say Kiely was wearing a white hoody/sweatshirt early on in the party - Sami doesn’t mention seeing Kiely wearing, or taking off any hoody/swearshirt.

Sami said Kiely peed in the woods a couple of times - but later she said they both went to the bathroom in the woods.she gives more dignity to the act when she includes herself.

Was Sami actually watching Kiely rather than hanging out with her?



Why did the other friend find the need to mention that when she and Kiely hung out earlier they had made crème brûlée, every thing was normal, she’d know if anything was off? I’d maybe be asking to check on the whereabouts of the blowtorch, especially as the party later was in a campground, and kids like fires and blowtorches - crème brûlée could be an excuse for use of, or to explain away a missing blowtorch. It could equally be that they just made crème brûlée, with or without a blowtorch, and that everything was ‘normal’.

Kiely did not go to the same school or graduate with Sami - she wasn’t intending to be at the party, rather at a car show with her mother. Communication with her mother about going to the party was only via text.

John Mc Gowan said...

OT:

Alec Baldwin Exclusive Interview - Part 2 | ABC News

"I didn't pull the trigger"?

https://youtu.be/y-HyUbJYBOY?t=165

John Mc Gowan said...

Great catch, Adrian

“And so um… then I found her as I was leaving the party. I was making sure to find her [to] tell her that I had [another] ride home, and that err, [I loved her] and I wanted to say bye, and for her to have fun at the party.”

Sami doesn’t say she actually told Kieli anything, only that she “was making sure to find her [to] tell her”. It would be easy for Sami to say “I found her and told her I had found a ride home”, but she avoided committing to doing that. This allows that she left without informing Kieli, meaning Kieli would have been waiting around for her. That Kylie phoned her later allegedly saying “Do you [still] need a ride home?” supports that Sami left without speaking to her as why would Kieli call her if she already knew Sami had a ride.

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Hey Jude said...
OT - Kiely

Is there any significance in Sami first referring, a couple of times, to Kiely’s car as “her car” and later (after there were other friends in the car and them ALL deciding to go back to the party) as”the car”. It was Kiely’s car then it became the car.

The change in language from "Her Car" to "The Car" occurs when they are joined by friends. Or in Sammi's words, "And then We had a few other friends in the car".
I don't know if she asked for a ride when she was in (Her) kielys car.? She does not say, and as you pointed out she said "the" car. Did something else happen in Kielys car when they were joined by a few other friends for it to stay "the" car. Give that Sammi says "we all decided to go back to the party", was there a heated debate before agreeing to go back?, and again, did something else take place for it to remain "the car". Were the "few other friends" invited or did they just show up, and how many is "a few". She says "other friends" suggesting there was "other" people there with Sammi and Kiely before they were joined by others. How many were at her care? When Sammi says "other", she is can not referring to kiely because she says "we had a few other friends..

I hope that makes sense.

Hey Jude said...

Hi, John - thanks - Sami’s account is so confusing. I understand it as just Sami and Kiely in the car when they were joined by other friends who later “all decided to go back to the party” - I agree the emphasis on “all” raises the question as to whether there really was agreement by all.

Sami, when speaking of her ride, refers to it as “the car” rather than a person’s car, she gives no name. This, along with her slip toward saying she was driving, and (maybe in this account or another), that she was in the passenger seat, makes me wonder if actually she was driving Kiely’s car - there seems a continuity in her speaking of “the car” - I’d expect her to mention whose car she was in, to make the distinction if it was a different car, rather than continue saying she was in “the car”.

John Mc Gowan said...

OT - Kiely

I've ran Sammi Smiths statement through a word count and reduced the text from caps to lower case.

i saw her the moment she got there and from that moment on we were pretty much seen together all around the party.
we would break off for mere moments from each other to go talk to other people or to go do other things, you know, but we would always come back to each other.

we were drinking the same drinks. just being teenagers. throwing glow sticks into the party.

and it started to grow really big. i would say around 10 to 10:30.

it just blew up. it was starting to get to the point where i was getting overwhelmed and i’m a very social person.

i’ve been to a lot of these parties; i’ve never been overwhelmed.

i’ve actually been underwhelmed.

but this party, it was very large. it was bigger than any party we’ve had in truckee all year. a lot of years past.

there were people from — what we think, sacramento, san francisco — i remember talking to somebody who was from san francisco, reno, fulsome areas that were just way out of reach from it.

and it was really overwhelming and weird to see but i really didn’t think much of it. i just thought kids were from around here, they have vacation homes up here. they’re just coming to party.

’cause, why not?

so then kiely & i were going around taking shots.
and just drinking. wwe were trading drinks with each other. we were sharing drinks with each other.

we would go back to her car to get some alcohol sometimes & then we went to her car to charge her phone.

and we were talking about just random stuff. it’s kind of hard to remember.

we were talking about her texting her mom and her charging her phone and just about the party in general and then we had a few other friends in the car and then we all decided to go back to the party.

and then we were around there for a bit. i had asked her for a ride home when we were in the car because my ride was leaving. and i wanted to stay at the party longer.

and so then we ended up splitting up in the party because i wanted to go find another ride when we got back into the party after leaving the car.

so that we could, um — sorry my mind is…

John Mc Gowan said...

yeah there were friendly fights going on, like we had boxing gloves, it wasn’t anybody that had any drama

they weren’t enemies or anything

just friendly fights to keep entertainment going

this happens at a lot of our parties
we just do it to have fun
if anybody gets hurt, we have people on them

aadc: fun…friendly competition?

yeah, to see who goes home with the title

i will admit people end up getting in fights over who won, not this time

no, there was no ex-boyfriend. her ex-boyfriend was in napa at the time & i think he lives in napa

he actually drove up the next day, the second he heard she was missing

he’s very close with her family and her

there was no anything

and she does not currently have a boyfriend.

she’s rocking the single life like — we used to say

she just wanted to be open and single and have fun as a kid

yeah i’ve been in close contact with the family

to everyone around the world i hope this is reaching. keep sharing. post flyers, reach local news, posters everywhere. have everyone looking for kiely

if you see anything, report to placer county sheriff

tip line frustrations. there’s 1,000 people in there working getting millions of calls a day now

neighbors app rumor female chased in sacramento pulled into honda crv?

we are investigating, the detectives, it has not been confirmed or denied.

her shirt was not found. not her shirt. fbi & cops investigated.

i’ve been in charge, not in charge, taken on responsibility to get in touch with everyone at party. teen to teen meetups. interviewers, 7 or 8. keep info in simple area.

moved locations in tahoe truckee area. no cops. no parents. no pressure to get in trouble. don’t want media to spread photos.

kids will tell kids who they drank with.

a lot of us just remembered today, because we weren’t looking when we just knew her. she has a sticker of a bull (animal like a car with horns) right under the back windshield wiper. her car does have honda hubcaps.

sunroof on the honda crv 2013

to be fully honest. i was inebriated at the time so i wasn’t totally attentive of who was around us

when we were going around together, we were in a lot of different huge groups of people we had never met because her and i are similar in the sense that we’re both very social

we’ll talk to anybody that we meet

we love meeting people so that’s what we were doing and everything

kiely’s cell phone? we’re having trouble remember what color

we do know that her phone has a black case on it with a sticker in the middle on the back that says “sex wax” on it

it’s an iphone; not the samsung that was found, it’s an iphone, i forget which generation

there’s 100 of videos. we have videos of people taking videos
we have 100s of photos

we are looking at an app called b real, where you can post a picture 1 a day — notification will pop up, you have 2 minutes

a lot of people waited to post their b reals until they were at that party

snap memories

ig posts

everything

dot not exactly more to the right near the little blue lake
it would’ve taken her about 30 minutes to get home

runaway? all ideas are still open. she’s not the type to runaway. she loves people too much. she has too much care in her heart to leave people and not leave a note, or talk with one of her friends

she is smart enough to know how this would get out and how people would be worried about her

she’s a smart girl

she graduated with honors early from high school and was going on to college

she had plans for her life; she seemed really happy

her mom is fully invested in her life

yes, there have been dive teams sent it; they’ve done thorough searches the water, related lakes, boca, stampede, searches every sing day extensive to points you wouldn’t believe

John Mc Gowan said...

we’re so thankful to them

helicopter flying around those areas, shining spotlights to see if there are reflections. we’re taught to shine your phone to reflect the sun from a young age if you’ve trapped in a snowstorm

biggest concern is somebody knew she was drunk and offered to give her a ride home and they didn’t

she could be across the world by now

i have a feeling she’s still alive and she’s still fighting.

there’s somebody else involved — not confirmed — there has to be somebody else involved

don’t believe kiley wore an apple watch

no cameras at the campground, closest are traffic cameras on 180 i think on truckee way, 89 isn’t ever covered in cameras

she was not being driven home
and she was not driving

at the end of the party when i saw her, she was supposed to be giving me a ride home because i’d asked her because i wanted to stay later

i then realized later in the party that i believe she was drunk

and i knew she was drunk so i did not want her to be driving me home

because you know i know about drunk drivers and all that

so i figured she would be staying there or she would find a ride home

because she’s a smart girl

smart enough to know, just — she’s smart

and so um then i found her as i was leaving the party

i was making sure to find her to tell her that i had another ride home

and that i loved her and i wanted to say bye and for her to have fund at the party

and then when i left the party; we were pretty much on 89 with my ride and um she called me as i was in the car in the passenger seat

and she was like, “hey, where are you? do you still need a ride home?”

and i was like, “no. i’m okay. i’m in the car right now. i’m getting driven home right now.”

but kiley did not have a set ride home

and i was under the impression that she would either sleep there or find another ride home

it was not known that anyone was going to give her a ride home

when she called me i could hear the party and many people talking in the background

if kiely is watching: we are doing everything to try and find her

we are making this go worldwide

we will find her

we will find what is happening

we just want her home

we don’t want to get anybody in trouble

we love her

i just want to drink a boba with her again and laugh and tell story

and when i see her i’m going to absolutely tackle her to the ground

but i’m going to give her the most love that she’s ever felt

i hope she’s knows she loved this whole community is looking for her

the whole world at this point is looking for kiely

if you’re out there and you can hear this
please fight, keep fighting
don’t give up
we will not stop working
i will stay up day and night
i have her completely —
we want you home
yeah

John Mc Gowan said...

Revisiting SS's and KR's visit to KR's car. As myself and others have pointed out, there is sensitivity surrounding this episode. So i went back to read it again and noticed this.

Temporal Lacunae/Text Bridge/Skip In Time:

"And Then" and "After that"...Etc

Tells us that time has skipped by, and we do not know, from the statement what has happened.
Temporal lacunae does not, by it's self , indicate deception. It means that information has been left out which the person either does not think it is important, or, the person knows it is important and has left it out deliberately and withholding information.

Always flag it and go back and ask questions. You said you went the supermarket "and then" went to McDonalds. Tell me what happened after the supermarket and before McDonalds. Some may use these terms habitually and may it mean nothing, some use it to mean immediately after. But watch where it crops up and where it goes away again. For example, in SS's statement below.

Copied, pasted and snipped,

"so then kiely & i were going around taking shots. and just drinking. wwe were trading drinks with each other. we were sharing drinks with each other.

we would go back to her car to get some alcohol sometimes & then we went to her car to charge her phone.

and we were talking about just random stuff. it’s kind of hard to remember.

we were talking about her texting her mom and her charging her phone and just about the party in general and then we had a few other friends in the car and then we all decided to go back to the party.
and then we were around there for a bit. i had asked her for a ride home when we were in the car because my ride was leaving. and i wanted to stay at the party longer.

and so then we ended up splitting up in the party because i wanted to go find another ride when we got back into the party after leaving the car.

so that we could, um — sorry my mind is…

Now, leading up to this part of her statement and right after, unless i've missed it, SS does not use a "Text Bridge." (Temporal Lacunae) Which again, tells me, this encounter is very sensitive. For what reason, i don't know.


https://medium.com/@brookemarin/sami-smith-live-5376bf99675e

frommindtomatter said...

Hi John,

The last statement you highlighted has multiple text bridges, the one you marked plus two others. Also she seeks to justify her actions twice as well.

“and so [then] we ended up splitting up in the party because i wanted to go find another ride [when] we got back into the party [after] [leaving] the car.”

She tells us they “ended up splitting up” and places herself (location) as “In the party” at the time of doing so. She goes on to justify them separating by giving the reason “i wanted to go find another ride”, which stands on its own as enough information/justification for her action. But she has a need to say more and goes further, which takes extra effort and yields extra information. In this extra information she marks time twice with two text bridges -

“[when] [we] got back” and “[after] [leaving] the car”

The latter area of missing time is connected to “leaving the car”. She started by putting herself “in the party”, but when giving her long justification of why they split up she included the act of “leaving the car” which shows that when talking about the sensitive (to her) act of “splitting up”, her mind is thinking about “leaving the car”.

Also after saying the above she says –

“[so] that [we] could, um — sorry my mind is…”

The word “so” acts to justify what comes before it, (i wanted to go find another ride [when] we got back into the party after [leaving] the car.”). Although it is Sami who splits to find another ride she gives justification and includes pronoun “we” in her words. Who are the “we” if she has split from Kieli? Perhaps it is those who were also at the car earlier. She then apologises saying “sorry”, which we will have to mark down as a possible sign of guilt.

After saying “sorry my mind is…” she shuts down. In effect that stops the flow of information. At a point she has used the word “because” and then the word “so” to justify her actions with the second one causing her to shut down and stop transmitting information leaving it incomplete.

I can`t draw a conclusion from that, but it is interesting. Instead of simply going back to the party, that she has to include leaving the car makes it stand out.

Adrian.

Unknown said...

I just saw this today: https://www.yahoo.com/news/body-found-search-missing-16-121018251.html

John Mc Gowan said...

Hi, Adrian

“leaving the car”

I wondering if this ("Leaving") would come under the same umbrella as "Left" (Colour code blue) as one of highest levels of sensitivity. If so, then it fits in with the text bridge sensitivities??

frommindtomatter said...

As far as I am aware it is specific to the past tense “left”.

Adrian.

John Mc Gowan said...

OT:

Becky Watts Murder

Here are is a few short extracts from a Police interview with Shauna Hoare.

Hoare is serving 17 years for Becky Watts manslaughter. Her boyfriend, Becky's stepbrother Nathan Matthews, 30, is serving life for the 16-year-old's murder in February 2015. The pair ambushed her in her family's home in Bristol and suffocated her in a “sexually motivated” kidnap plot.

In the first clip i don't know the question (if there was one) that was asked. Given where she begins her statement she may have been asked what she doing the day/time of the murder?

Shauna claims she was in the garden having a "cigarette" while Nathan Mathews was killing, Becky Watts, this is addressed in clip two by the Detective.

In the first clip i noted the many SA principles she hits on, Sensitive, including, dropped pronouns, Temporal Lacunae among others, and the possibility of her being abused both sexually (under age and or as a adult) and physically. (under age and or as a adult) So i done some research into her background.

First clip.

"Door" x7
"Cigarette" x3
"Wash my hands" x4

There may have been more mentions of the above and sensitive language, but it cuts to clip two.

Interview clip two.

Detective:

"I suppose the thing is, from someone outside looking in, is that, what he's saying is that he's gone to the address, with intent to kidnap her, and it's been quite convenient that your in the garden having a cigarette and he's doing what he's doing. Do you see what i mean? Someone might say, well, hold on a minute she's have to know. There is no way, take those items, some stuff with him (Beckys remains) without you knowing.....

More:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkuENIM26Vw&list=WL&index=5

Some background:

Haore was bounced from foster home to foster home, Shauna Hoare's childhood was a dysfunctional and disturbing one that began when her mother remarried soon after she was born.

Before she had even reached school age, Hoare found herself taken into care and later brought up by six different foster families.

She maintained contact with her mother, Lisa Donovan, who had seven other children with three different men, but the pair would later become estranged as a controlling Nathan Matthews ramped up his grooming of the teenager.

How involved Hoare's Irish father Ernest was in her young life is unclear. He himself remarried in 2003 and had two more children in addition to the four he and Ms Donovan had together.
When she turned 13, Hoare moved back in with Ms Donovan in Bristol, but the two lost contact four years later and remained estranged until the former turned up on her mother's doorstep days after Becky's death.

Earlier, the court heard that Hoare was repeatedly abused by Matthews after they started dating when she was just 15 and he was 22.
Matthews was later to reveal in a police interview that Hoare was pregnant with his twins when she became a killer. She is no longer pregnant.

While living with her mother, Hoare went to The Grange School in Keynsham and once claimed that on her way to school one morning she was the victim of a horrific attack.

John Mc Gowan said...

A promiscuous teenager, Ms Donovan told how her 15-year-old daughter was made to do sexual favours for Matthews.

He would make sexual comments and insist on the favours if Hoare asked him for anything, her mother revealed.

Ms Donovan said Matthews was 'controlling and flirty with everyone, sexually oriented, very overpowering'.
She and Matthews' relationship later became increasingly fractured as Hoare grew out of her teens, with Matthews becoming controlling, violent and abusive.

Matthews starting controlling his girlfriend's smoking and she would have to ask her friends for money to give to him to pay for her cigarettes.

He would also deny her food, saying she was 'too fat and needed to lose weight'.

She later told friends that she wasn't allowed pasties because 'he forbid her from eating them'.

One of her friends told the trial they had had to give Matthews petrol money or the pair would not visit them.

Hoare's plans to work in childcare fell apart when she quit a college course two months in amid increasingly bizarre behaviour of her partner.

She said: 'It was a massive thing when he let me go to college. I don't think I ever went out without him, we were constantly together.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3296747/Girlfriend-Becky-Watts-s-stepbrother-claims-strangled-argument.html

At home, Matthews was physically violent to Hoare. The most serious attack came when he pulled her by the hair on their bed and strangled her for four to five seconds. “I couldn’t breathe, I felt panic, I was scared,” Hoare said in the witness box.
Matthews also used psychological torment to control Hoare. He would accuse her of being fat – though she was always slim – and hated her smoking. She said she had to beg for food and pay him for cigarettes. “I feel like a child. He was my dad almost. He controlled every aspect of my life,” she said in court. He briefly allowed her to attend a further education college but stopped her going when he felt she was befriending other men.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/11/nathan-matthews-shauna-hoare-becky-watts-dark-fantasies-reality

John Mc Gowan said...

To add.

Was Shauna Hoare also an abuser?

frommindtomatter said...

OT: Kieli Rodni (different Sammi interview)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWDhB28KIkk

Approx 0.55s

Interviewer:

“I know you were telling me you were with Kieli on Friday. What was the last communication you had with her, when was that, and what did she tell you?”

Sammi:

“So at about 12:36am in the morning I saw… (1second) umm… (1 second) a call from her and she, so she called me. I was on my way home from the party, and I was, she was supposed to give me a ride home, but I had already told her I didn’t need a ride home. And I answered it and she said “hey where are you, like, do you still need a ride home?” And I was like “no, I already told you this, like, we`re all good, like, I`m in the car right now, like thank you so much. And she was like “yeah of course, love you, goodnight, like, I`ll see you tomorrow”. And I was like “ok, love you, see you tomorrow, be safe”, and then after that nobody has had any contact or sighting of her.”

“So at about 12:36am in the morning I [saw]… (1second) umm… (1 second) a call from her and she, [so] she called me.

The words after “so” justify the words that came before it. She is saying that the reason “she called me” is because “I [saw] a call from her”.

The simplest statement would be “at about 12:36am she called me”. Meaning the 20 words she used could have been said in 5 words. Either she is giving a really detailed account, or she has a need to justify that Kieli did indeed call her. I am sure the phone records support a call was made from Kieli`s phone to Sammi`s, but that doesnt neccessarily mean it was Kieli who made the call.

I haven’t had time to look at the rest of the interview in detail, but Sammi corrects herself on occasions. That shows she believes she is making errors and needs to correct them. In the above she said –

“I was on my way home from the party, and [I was], [she was] supposed to give me a ride home”

Another part from the interview she is asked if Kieli is familiar with the area. She says –

“She`s driven out there multiple times. [She was] gon, [she`s gonna] go camping out there later that day”

She starts with “she was”, but changes it to “she`s gonna”. So she moves from past tense “she was” to “she`s” which is a contraction of she was/she is. Using past tense in relation to Kieli going camping isn’t a problem, as it would be connected to what Kieli was going to do that day. What is interesting is that she made a change to correct what she had said, even though it didn’t need correcting. If it was a stutter I would expect her to repeat the same words and complete them – “She was gon, she was gonna go camping”. Why move to the contraction “she`s” which allows for the statement to be moved to present or past tense? It allows for her being aware and sensitive to what she is saying. I hope the police investigation can determine exactly what happened to Kieli.

Adrian.

Hey Jude said...

OT - Kiely Rodni

“I was on my way home from the party, and [I was], [she was] supposed to give me a ride home”

That “supposed” has been bugging me. I wonder if Kiely was persuaded to not go to the car show in order to be the designated driver for others, from the party. Is it likely that she’d forego her own plans in order to just drive Sami, who wasn’t on her social media, or really a close friend, home? More likely she’d agree to be a DD for her actual friends, but they weren’t there, excepting Magdalene,, who only stayed a short while.

Why was Keily at the party, if she was?

If Keily was “supposed” to drive Sami home, why would Sami get Keily drunk? Why should Keily be “supposed” to do anything in relation to Sami? Was Keily pressured to do the other kids’ bidding?

Sami said Keily would jump off a Cliff for a dare? Did she have experience of daring Keily? What’s “daring”, anyway? Who’d dare anyone to jump off a cliff, even as just an example?

I’m not convinced Keily attended the party - I wonder if she was more taken there, and if she remained in her car, as there are no photos of her at the party.

Was it Sami who said the party had a “Lord of the Flies” vibe?

Hey Jude said...

In ‘Lord of the Flies’, William Golding’s novel, Simon, the “outsider”boy, who hid in a bush, is hunted down and beaten to death by his schoolmates- one of them, Roger, also kills Piggy.

Why would anyone want to stay longer at a party which had that “vibe”?

Also, why did it have that vibe? Was there knowledge or expectation of a hunt, beating, death? Or just kids being melodramatic and having recently read the novel?

Anonymous said...

Sami speaks of friendly fights, "to see who wins, and who goes home with the title, which I will randomly admit, people do end up getting in fights over who won, but, not this time."

"...not this time."

Was there no fighting over who won "this time" because one of the fighters accidentally ended up dead?

Hey Jude said...

How ‘friendly’ a fight could there be at a party with a ‘Lord of the Flies’ vibe, though?

Someone on YouTube - I forget which channel - asked if anyone would be suspicious of Kiely’s death had Sami not placed herself front and centre as she did. It’s a good question. I would have thought - poor kid, new driver, drove herself into the reservoir. That would suffice to be going on with - the investigation might conclude otherwise.

I don’t believe that Sami’s motive in taking charge and setting up her own interviews for partygoers was concern for Kiely - by her own account she was okay with letting Kiely drive in a drunken state, she just wasn’t going to be driven by her because “I know about drunk drivers”. She knew, yet did nothing to prevent her ‘close’ friend from becoming a drunk driver, so her belated concern rings hollow, to me. I’m not convinced Keily was drunk driving as Sami avoids saying it - “drunk drivers” are not Keily.

Sami’s linguistic disposition towards Keily is not that great, despite the praise-singing.

Is her taking charge to assuage guilt for abandoning Keily, a CYA attempt, or an effort to misdirect/ prevent information from other partygoers reaching the investigators, even to disguise that there weren’t that many people there? No-one coming forward could be because few were there.

Bobcat said...

Sami is a speed talker a la Davey Blackburn. When she slows and stutters, sensitive time periods & concealment jumps out.

"She, came with her best friend Mags, um Mags Larson.
Magadelene, sorry is her first name.
Yeah, and so, she, came with her, drove in with her.
[ ] And then, um, Mags ended up leaving about 10 minutes into the party with her boyfriend, Ross.
Mag’s boyfriend.
[ ] And, um, told Kiely goodbye and everything.
They just went to the party together BECAUSE THEY WERE HANGING OUT EARLIER IN THE DAY."

"Goodbye" often points to the time of death.
Sami mentions "Mags/Magdalene" five times, along with "sorry".
"Goodbye" is within the cluster of Magdalene "leaving" and "just" going the party together "because" they were "hanging out" earlier in the day.

What happened between Mags arrival and departure from the party?
Why did Mags leave "about ten minutes in" to the party?
Did Mags drive to the party? What car? Were there any passengers/bodies in her car - coming and/or going?
Did Ross drive to the party? What car? Were there any passengers/bodies in his car - coming and/or going?
Did Kiely drive to the party? Were there any passengers in her car?
Was Kiely a passenger in her own car?
Did Sami drive a car to the party? What car? Were there any passengers/bodies in the car?
If Sami was a passenger, who drove her to the party?
Who was supposed to drive Sami from the party aka her ride?
Who actually drove Sami from the party?

Hey Jude said...

OT - Keily Rodni

I’d like to know more about what happened earlier in the day - Kate said she and Keily made crème brûlée. Magdalene also was with Keily for some of that day. We don’t know what Sami did earlier. Keily contacted her mother to let her know she was not going to the car show after all, but was going to the party. Were all her communications to her mother via text? When did her mother last speak to Keily? It’s possible someone else had Kiely’s phone and made the text messages.

Did Magdalene deliver Keily to the party/Sami? Keily did not want to go to the party, and maybe did not drive there herself.

Sami denies knowledge of which model iPhone belonged to Sami - something a friend would be likely to know. She also said that they didn’t look “severely” at Keily’s car. Sami finds it necessary to distance herself from any close knowledge of Keily’s phone and car. “Severely” is a strange choice, where one would expect “closely”. Is it leakage of what more typically is described as severe - injuries, beating? There’s a lot of sensitivity around the car.

If something happened to Keily earlier in the day, by accident or intent, they might try to avoid blame falling on them by placing Keily and her car in the woods, in a crowd, apparently alive and well, but with the possibility of her engaging in a “friendly” fight, by which she might sustain injuries. Conveniently, none of the friends are present when Keily and her car reportedly disappear.

I can’t help wondering if the “friendly fights” were explanation for any injuries which Keily might be found to have sustained, if she were found.

Keily, in her choice to wear a bodysuit, might have been on her guard against physical interference, or concerns about modesty when “friendly fighting” or “peeing in the woods”. I don’t know why Sami found it necessary to mention that, or that she saw Keily take off her belt. I think it was in describing what Keily was wearing - she’d have to have a reason for knowing that Keily was wearing a bodysuit, but if Keily was unconscious, or deceased when she was taken to the party, she wouldn’t be taking off her belt or peeing in the woods.

I don’t think there were many at the party - Sami appealed for anyone, even if they weren’t at the party and didn’t know Keily, to go to her teen meet ups - seemed desperate. The non-invitations apparently drew hundreds of strangers from outside the area to the party, who wouldn’t be likely to return to be interviewed by Sami - It does sound like a tall story.

If I said there were hundreds of people there, knowing that was not true, and the police later said that they’d interviewed a lot of them, I’d panic, because I’d know they could not have, and were not buying my story.

Hey Jude said...

OT - Keily Rodni

I agree, Sami’s claim that she would “tackle” Keily to the ground is somewhat like Chris Watts wanting to be “barrel rushed” by Bella and Celeste - except the action is toward Keily, and so aggressive, punitive. Here also, I wonder if it is leakage.

Sami’s audicity in saying she’d give Keily more love than she’d ever had is off the scale, IMO, especially if Keily’s family was present when she said it.

I’m being judgy, but Sami s not Keily’s friend. IMO.

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John Mc Gowan said...

OT - Keily Rodni

This is causing an uproar in some circles.

How We FOUND Kiely Rodni... (Preview)

AWP -Adventures With Purpose are being accused of sensationalising their efforts in finding, Kiely. I agree. Have they run this passed Kiely's family and LE first?
I find the whole thing in bad taste. This would never be allowed in the UK. The title strap line, "Murder or Accident" (note the order) is, well, you make up your own mind.

https://youtu.be/HiGGx8UsaLg

John Mc Gowan said...

Adventures with Purpose releases video of finding missing Truckee teen Kiely Rodni's body

Snipped:

The video chronicles the dive's team search for Kiely, who was last seen alive on Aug. 6 at a party at Prosser Family campground, about 10 minutes from Truckee. In it, Nick Rinn and Doug Bishop discuss the possibility, with no evidence, that her death may be suspicious.

On Wednesday, family spokesperson Linda Luchetti said Rodni's family had no comment on the new video.

"They continue to process their grief privately," Luchetti said.

The Placer County Sheriff's Department said Wednesday it is waiting for autopsy results on the cause of death when asked about the new video. The Nevada County Sheriff's Office has not immediately returned a request for comment on the allegations of foul play made in the video by Adventures with Purpose.

The video profiles the dive team's arrival in Truckee, including their search at nearby Boca Reservoir and Donner Lake.

About 30 minutes into the video, the team's sonar shows something about 50 feet from the shore of Prosser Creek Reservoir.

"It is probably nothing, but it looks like a big shadow," says Rinn.

"If this is her, this means all hope is lost in terms of her still being out there and her showing up and being found safe," said Bishop, one of the founders of the Oregon-based Adventures with Purpose.

Rinn films Kiely's license plate before swimming around the car, which had flipped onto its roof. The video is blurred at times, including when Rinn points the camera into the backseat, where he confirms there is a body.

"She's not in the driver’s seat. It looks suspicious to me," Rinn says on camera when he comes back to the surface.

More:

https://eu.rgj.com/story/news/2022/08/31/watch-video-finding-kiely-rodni-body-prosser-creek-reservoir-nevada/7951782001/

Hey Jude said...

OT - AwP

Perhaps it’s strategic and by agreement with the lead investigators - or perhaps they lack confidence in the investigation and are making sure what they found is known. Their finding of Keily’s car and body was sensational, but it does seem too soon to be airing footage, unless it’s strategic, which one way or the other, it most likely is. They have more - maybe some people will prefer for them not to air all their material, and so come forward.

I haven’t seen the video yet but I listened to Jared on Zav Girl’s YouTube. I hope he gets for AWP the Hellcat or equivalent from Ryan Upchurch - they deserve it more than does he, plus he promised.

I think it’s a valid question - they wouldn’t be asking it without good reason. We don’t know what they saw - that Keily’s body was not in the backseat, but in the back back of the car, where she could not have got by herself, could be reason enough.

The whole thing is shocking - Sami being allowed to lead her own investigation would never be allowed in the UK either. Maybe that didn’t inspire confidence - maybe AWP wants to ensure Keily’s death won’t be filed away as an accident unless truly it was one - it’s reasonable that all their findings receiving due consideration and investigation.

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John Mc Gowan said...

Jared from AWP stops by to answer some questions about finding Kiely Rodni and her car

According to, Jared. Kiely was NOT in the back seat, she was behind the back seat over the headrests in the cargo/trunk (or if you're from the UK, boot area.)

The vehicle was in Neutral.

Host asks: "Everything you've seen and in your experience if you had to guess would guess was there foul play involve, involved in this one?

A: (Intake of breadth, sucks teeth and leans back) "I'm just going...I'll i'll say this, i would not have put not have put that in our title if we thought it was nothing more than an accident. It's open for, you know interpretation, speculation at this point, erm, ther's an entire other theory that sh..it would blow your mind if i even told you..(laughs) based upon ..additional..even just going with the..let's, lets see..without giving away to much, without me saying anything really. If you think about the TWO people moving around the vehical...There could be more to that story.

More below.


https://youtu.be/_pqYrmvziCc?t=138

John Mc Gowan said...

Hey Jude said...
OT - Keily Rodni


"Keily, in her choice to wear a bodysuit, might have been on her guard against physical interference, or concerns about modesty when “friendly fighting” or “peeing in the woods”. I don’t know why Sami found it necessary to mention that",

Hi,
Interesting you mentioned her "Bodysuit". When i read this it reminded me of a VT i watched by, Avinoam Sapir.

Now, i'm not saying this is the same situation, just interesting.

Timestamped for brevity.

YT

https://youtu.be/GBpss0rIFuU?t=2702

Hey Jude said...

OT - Keily Rodni

Hi, John

Yes, “passive defence against rape” - that should be a consideration. For me, strengthens the case for Keily not wanting to attend that party - maybe even for being wary of her friends.

Not SA, just some thoughts.

Someone commented, I forget where, that Keily’s car had a centre rear seatbelt attached to the inner roof of the car, and it might be that the girl who called out the tow truck company was not familiar with how the seatbelt worked. I think it was Jared who said she had asked the tow truck driver if a belt could be attached to the seat belt? That raises concerns, but I don’t know if that is true of the placement of the car’s seatbelt, or if it relates to how Keily was found.

I do believe AWP would not be going public with their video if they didn’t have concerns that Keily’s death could be explained away, or investigated as a traffic accident rather than as a criminal investigation. I also think they should have more faith in the process, if that is the case, but maybe they have good reason not to have faith in the process. Apparently, no police were present when AWP undertook their search for and found Keily’s car and body - that in itself might be considered a failing, and give them the idea that they were not being taken seriously enough. If police had been present, they would have had Keily’s mother’s contact details and she could have received the news more directly, either first or at the same time as other family members.

Did the teenagers call out the tow truck company in Keily’s name to make it appear it was Keily herself asking how to attach a belt to the seatbelt? As though she were considering suicide? But Keily would know how to use the seatbelts in her own car - or maybe not that one as the driver doesn’t necessarily use the rear belts. She’d know if her car was in neutral. So why really would Keily call a tow truck company? It doesn’t make sense, unless, maybe, it was someone trying to set the scene for a fake suicide.

If Keily had car trouble on a Saturday morning wouldn’t she call her dad or someone else first? Most likely, but not just to ask how the seatbelt worked, and if she could attach a belt to it, and to establish that the car was in neutral - that’s not real car trouble. If you wouldn’t think to call your dad, brother, uncle or cousin to ask advice or attend to that, would you really call
a tow truck company to come out?

Or did they really just not know how to start the car because it wasn’t either of theirs? Surely they could work it out…

If really it was Keily who called and met the tow truck driver, for whatever reason, what are the chances of the boy, given his description, not being her former boyfriend? I forget his name, but he matched the description - as could many others, but it might be too much of a coincidence for it not to have been him if the girl really was Keily. If it was he and Keily, it would be a major omission if he hadn’t told anyone Keily was alive on Saturday morning.

As reportedly the call out was routinely recorded by the driver, it must already be known if the girl was or was not Keily, and if the boy was or was not her former boyfriend.



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John Mc Gowan said...

OT: Kiely Rondi

How We FOUND Kiely Rodni: MURDER or ACCIDENT?

AWP: Adventures With Purpose.

Full Doc.

Duration: 47 mins

I've not watched it yet.

https://youtu.be/bPwnDyW26gk

Hey Jude said...

OT - AWP

I listened to Police Off the Cuff YouTube last evening - they posit that it’s an accident, that Nick doesn’t understand how it goes with dead bodies, and that a body could move over into the hatch. Also that police would not have others act strategically on their behalf - but that’s not so, as they already allowed Sami to conduct her own investigation into this case.

I don’t know what to think now that I have watched AWP video -it seemed oddly scripted rather than “as it happened”, but maybe that’s just my perception. The underwater footage must be so distressing for the family - does anyone need to see it?

As for the “Murder or Accident” - it’s not a good idea to publicly try to preclude the findings of the official investigation, if that is their purpose here, unless they have unarguable reason to believe it was not an accident, but that it might be classed as an accident. I want to trust their motives, and as we don’t know what they saw, I continue to trust their motives while wondering at their wisdom, or lack of, in their media output.

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Earlier, it was a misstep for them to announce that they had found Keily body, rather than simply “human remains”. Maybe they didn’t know the protocol, or that it was out of order for them to identify Keily publicly ahead of the official identification, but as they have already found so many bodies, they must know that announcing identification is not their job, even if the identity is obvious to them. If they take what looks like a maverick approach in such sensitive situations police will be wary of their involvement with future live cases, which woud be understandable, yet so counter productive, as they do the work of angels.

Just as police divers benefit from AWP sharing their knowledge, so they should take some training in the basic ground rules so as not to cause unintended upset, undue speculation, or potentially undermine the investigation. It’s like they didn’t shut off their energy valve when they finished their job, which was to find Keily’s car and remains.

Still, I don’t know what they know or saw, so I continue to trust their intentions are all for the best. Unless they demonstrate otherwise, I find their judgement to be somewhat questionable. I think that’s fair enough.

Bit of a rant, but that footage is so distressing, it must be horrendous for Keily’s family. That’s not what they wanted edited out of it though, rather the part where the family was contacted - it’s all so strange.



Hey Jude said...

OT - clarification

Keily’s family wanted the part wherein the family members were contacted edited out.

John Mc Gowan said...

OT- Kiely Rodni.

Kiely was last seen August 6th 2022.

Is Nick reliable in his recounting of events?
Is it the day she went missing.?
The day before? Or the day after.?
Is he mistaken in his identities.?


AWP Interview Nick, Roadside assistance guy.

AWP: So we just got out of Best buy afetr picking up some supplies here in, Reno, Nevada. Wer'e on our way to work the Kiely Rodni case, just down the street in Trukee, California, and, Nick, a long time upporter and fan of ours. Ahh, appreciate you coming upto us. Possibly having some information in regards to the Kiely Rodni case. So why don't you explain a little bit about what you may have run into.?

Nick - So, my name is Nick. I work at a emergency roadside assistance programme. I got a call up in Truckee, Boca, for a battery call, so pretty much that means the vehicle can't start. So I went en route up there, found the vehicle. At the time I didn't realise that this was a situation until later on but...

AWP - Let me stop you right there. You said you went to Boca?

Nick - Yes sir.

AWP - So, over near Boca lake?

Nick - Yes Sir.

AWP - So, not Prosser Lake? Prosser Creek Lake?

Nick - It's right by Prosser Creek.

AWP - Yeah, so just north? So you went to Boca?

John Mc Gowan said...

Nick - At first, when I went there, I realised after my test that, you know, everything was working great on the vehicle. At that point in time I did notice that like, she was very hesitant and very sceptical on everything that was going on. She was asking me really weird questions, like in the sense of - 'how do you put on your seatbelt correctly?' and like...okay and she asked me to show her on how to connect it to like her actual belt. After that she was stating on how she was there all night and she can't get her vehicle started due to the fact that, now we both realised, it was in neutral. She was wearing a sweatshirt, so it looks like she has been there for quite a while.

AWP - What colour was the sweatshirt?

Nick - It was a grey sweatshirt.

AWP - Was it dark grey, or light grey?

Nick - It was light grey, yeah. Also, there was a guy there that was with her, at time being. He was wearing a black San Francisco flat top ball cap facing forwards, brown hair sticking out just a little bit on the sides. It was kinda like...they were both kinda at unease, is what it looked like for me, like as if either had like a crazy night or a crazy day...there's something going on, I couldn't know and at the time I didn't realise what was going on, but other than that he was.... I mean a thinner built guy is the best way I could put it, with a bro tank and it was white bro tank. He had some freckles on his face, maybe, or like...like maybe it's like acne or what not, but it was on both sides of his face. Oh and he was also a little bit like shorter than me, so I'm 6ft 3.

AWP - In hindsight, you're realising all of this. When do you think that this took place? Was it before? During the day? After she disappeared?

Nick - To be honest with you, it's either right after she disappeared or right before she disappeared, but it was around noon'ish, like 11 o'clock in the morning when I got out to her. During that period of time....after the period, I told her that I was gonna leave and hope you have a great day. Vehicle - I told her to keep it running for a couple of hours to obviously make sure everything's working good on the vehicle, charging system wise. At that point in time, then I left and a week later is when I saw, at a coffee shop, that she was gone.

John Mc Gowan said...

AWP - You saw this on a flyer or something?

Nick - Yeah, but then everything spiralled out of control and I got in contact with the detective and tried to do everything I could and... yeah... and then I saw you guys.

AWP - Now we know we probably have a tie to Boca, you know, which was already on my radar. Do you know who placed the call to your roadside company?

Nick - So I don't get details. Calls don't go through me, they go through...

AWP - Dispatch? So, you don't have...

AWP - So, when you were digitally dispatched, did you call them to say you were coming or you just showed up?

Nick - I did call and nothing went through, it went straight to voicemail.

AWP - Do you know if she had a phone on her at the time?

Nick - She did say that her phone was dead and so she used whatever died. Whoever this was, she used his phone. So that's how she did get in contact.

AWP - And what was...you mentioned like she was asking funny questions and acting weird.

Nick - Right and at the time I didn't realise, again, that's..

AWP - Yeah, yeah, I mean, being I... I've been in the towing industry my whole life, so you see a lot of crazy stuff, a lot of weird stuff and it's actually pretty normal, you know. So I can see why at the time it's just....just a normal call.

Nick - She kept on going over that like - 'How do you like, you know, how do you secure your seat belt, like, firmly and like do it correctly' and that's when I...

AWP - When she was asking this - was the guy that she was with right there too?

Nick - He was on the opposite side of the car.

AWP - So he could hear the conversation as well?

Nick - Every single time the guy would come over to us, she would go on to the other side and it was just like a back and forth, like a tag team, but say like one person would come over, she wouldn't stay near him and then they would go vice versa. Or if we were at the front of the car, going about the battery and talking about the battery, he was always on one side, she was on the other. They were never close to each other.

AWP - She was uncomfortable? Yeah, yeah, yeah that screams awkwardness and someone being uncomfortable and when in that the scenario - If he was there with her, he should have been right next to her. If not, if not. Dealing with you the entire time and not not not her. Did she seem high or intoxicated or...?

John Mc Gowan said...

Nick - I thought that maybe she was either hungover or just had a really rough day. She looked distressed.

AWP - Can you show me on the map where you saw her?

Nick - Absolutely.

AWP - So we're here in Reno. Let's go down to Truckee, there's Prosser, there's Boca. Just drop a pin on the road, exactly where you saw her.

Nick - Boca, you come in...you follow this road down. I think that is a turnout right there Yeah this is it. And so, right there - how she was coming out this way.

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AWP - So her front end was facing 84 from A94?

Nick - Yeah.

AWP - And did you leave before her? Or did she leave before you?

Nick - I left before her.

AWP - Was there anybody else around?

Nick - There was people far back here, yes, but not near her, no.

AWP - Did you notice anything in particular in her car at all? I mean...

Nick - I mean, besides perfume bottles and like...yeah actually there was a perfume bottle that was in the centre consul and that was all that I recall to be honest.

AWP - Did she have anything on her keys at all..?

Nick - I don't remember.

AWP - Did you say that you guys have cameras that could possibly get some sort of facial recognition on...

Nick - Yeah, so we do indeed. We have cameras facing front and rear of our vehicles as well as that we do have like audio, so we could pick up audio from inside and outside of the truck. So we did have that and I'm guaranteeing, I mean, my vehicles facing directly towards hers. So that's how I normally do it for my protection.

AWP - What's the window you're giving us, of when this happened?

Nick - Either Friday, Saturday or Sunday, I believe one of the...cos.... the weekends I usually cover Truckee. So, that Friday I also worked in Truckee. So, yeah.

AWP - If you were to make a bet on what day it was, what would you say?

John Mc Gowan said...

Nick - I.....I mean when I was looking back under my GPS on my phone, where I've been.. I was there both on Saturday and Sunday, farther into Boca.

AWP - Everything you just heard unfolded right here where I'm standing. Talking about where Nick described him parking his service van when he pulled up to give the battery service to Kiely he parked his van right here, facing that direction. Her vehicle was parked right over here, facing A94. That way..

https://youtu.be/bPwnDyW26gk?t=185

John Mc Gowan said...

This call out has yet to be verified by LE.

Anonymous said...

"... and knew I couldn’t safely carry her." Note the addition of the qualifier "safely". It is unnecessary to the recipient yet important to Brian.

The analysis is good Delle, although I think some of the "thinking out loud" goes beyond the language into speculation and detracts from the overall analysis.

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"Fight Night"?

Sami Smith:

"Yeah there were friendly fights going on, like [we] had boxing gloves, it wasn’t anybody that had any drama
they weren’t enemies or anything it just friendly fights to keep entertainment going. "this happens at a lot of our parties
we just do it to have fun. if anybody gets hurt, we have people on them"

: fun…friendly competition?

SS: Yeah, to see who goes home with the title, [i] will admit people end up getting in fights over who won, not this time.


1)"friendly fights".
What do "friendly fights" look like?"
2)"Fights"=plural'
3) ["we] had boxing gloves" (Premeditation)
"We had boxing gloves"
Was Sami Smith an organiser?
4)"just friendly fights to keep entertainment going."
"Just" = Minimising.
"friendly fights" X2, Possible sensitivity.
5)"to keep entertainment going".
What other" entertainment" was going on?
6)"this happens at a lot of [our] parties"
"This". Brings her close to "friendly fights"
"Our" parties. Possible organiser?
7)not this time.
Was this fight so conclusive that they didn't need "people on them". Were these "people" akin to umpires/referees?

Was Sami Smith part of organising these "friendly fights" and possibly part of the whole arrangement ("we", "our") of the gathering.
Was the mass exodus due to someone getting seriously hurt?
She also speaks in negative regarding "drama" and enemies" making it sensitive.

Was Kiely Rodni involved in a "Friendly fight"?

Jim said...

off topic

The World Chess Champion has just quit an elite level tournament because he lost to a much lower rated player and suspected his opponent had cheated. This is the first time in chess history that the WCC has quit a tournament due to suspected cheating. Then a popular chess commentator accused the accused of cheating. The accused then responded with verbal protest. This is a high profile, unique scandal in the chess community.

I have high-quality transcribed the verbal protest, about 160 seconds of words. I'd be interested if you could detect any guilty knowledge / lie indicators.

Would you be interested in spreading awareness of statement analysis to an intellectual-game community? I think this is a unique oppurtinity to do so.

report on scandal
https://www.chessdom.com/possible-reasons-of-magnus-carlsens-withdrawal-from-the-sinquefield-cup-2022/

accused verbal protest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsoAsV1hwh8

Anonymous said...

Off topic:

The World Chess Champion:

Niemann: I Have NEVER Cheated Over The Board.

"The media and chess world is completely attacking me and undermining me, but, and they maybe [would think] (not saying) that i would be afraid to tell the entire world that [i cheated] in some [random game]. He admits to this part>> And [i cheated] in a tournament when i was 12 years old.

"Embedded Confession": ?

Note he is not attributing the allegation ("I cheated") to anyone specific. That is, xyz said "i cheated" this would not be considered as an "embedded confession" as he is using or paraphrasing the language of another. These are his words.

Also. There is no Reliable denial (in this clip)

A reliable denial must have three components:

1. The pronoun "I"

2. The past tense verb "didn't" or "did not"

3. The allegation specific.

"I did not/didn't cheat. While talking about the accusation.

1) "Never" is not a substitute for "did not"
2) "ever" after the word "never" weakens the denial even further.
3) To avoid component number three, allegation specific.

Unreliable denials that, may be true, cannot be considered "reliable" and the person cannot be cleared:

"I never took the money"
"I would never take the money"
"I can't believe that I could even be accused of this"
"I have no reason to take the money"
"Why would I take the money?"
"If I needed money, I would borrow from..."

Sometimes these "unreliable denials" are along side a reliable denial, which is ok. A person might say "I did not take the purse. I would never take anyone's purse!" This is to issue a reliable denial and if the person when asked "why should i believe you and the response is because, "I told the truth", it is a closed case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsoAsV1hwh8

https://youtu.be/CJZuT-_kij0?t=931

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Jim said...
off topic


He does not say "I didn't cheat."

John Mc Gowan said...

My post @ September 15, 2022 at 7:32 AM. Showed up as anonymous for some reason. :)

Hey Jude said...


OT - AWP - Nick

Time is very sensitive to Nick, the roadside assistance guy, who may not have been driving a tow truck, so I won’t continue to call him the tow truck guy:


Nick - At the time I didn’t realise that this was a situation until later on but…



Why does he begin this sentence with “at the time”? The sentence would make sense, and more sense without these unnecessary seeming words. Was it actually clear to him “at the time” that this was a situation? Given also the negative, I lean toward his realising it was “a situation” at the time.

——

Nick - At first, when I went there, I realised after my test that, you know, everything was working great on the vehicle. At that point in time I did notice that like, she was very hesitant and very sceptical on everything that was going on.



Again, the sentence begins with words which seem unnecessary to the sentence - “At first, when I went there”. It is not clear if “at that point in time” is “at first, when I went there” or “after my test”.

What is “everything that was going on”?

——

Nick - It was light grey, yeah. Also, there was a guy there that was with her, at time being.


If a guy was “with her, at time being” - did there come a time when the guy was no longer with her? Does he mean the guy went away from the scene, or is he referring to the girl and guy moving around the car?

——-

Nick - During that period of time....after the period, I told her that I was gonna leave and hope you have a great day. Vehicle - I told her to keep it running for a couple of hours to obviously make sure everything's working good on the vehicle, charging system wise. At that point in time, then I left and a week later is when I saw, at a coffee shop, that she was gone.



A further confused reference to time, and more unnecessary words. ‘During that period of time….after the period”.

“I told her that I was gonna leave and hope you have a great day.” Nick does not say he left, rather that he said he was going to leave, which leaves open the possibility that he did not leave the area.

I don’t know if he meant for the engine to idle (unlikely?) or for the car to be driven for a couple of hours, but it’s here, after he has said, “during that period of time….after that period” he finally says, “At that point in time, then I left.” - he seems to have had difficulty in leaving?

Hey Jude said...

Cont’d

AWP - You saw this on a flyer or something?

Nick - Yeah, but then everything spiralled out of control and I got in contact with the detective and tried to do everything I could and... yeah... and then I saw you guys



He doesn’t say how or why “everything spiralled out of control” - when is “then”? Is he answering the question about the flyer, or is that covered in “Yeah”, and is the rest a continuation of his narrative? I think it’s not clear because it’s not clear if Nick left the area when he told the girl he was leaving.

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Nick - Every single time the guy would come over to us, she would go on to the other side and it was just like a back and forth, like a tag team, but say like one person would come over, she wouldn't stay near him and then they would go vice versa. Or if we were at the front of the car, going about the battery and talking about the battery, he was always on one side, she was on the other. They were never close to each other.



Who is “us” and “we” here? Did Nick have or call out a work partner to join him? Up to this point he seems to have been alone on the call out. Or was he regarding himself and the girl as “us” and “we”? Are more than three people present here? Does “the guy” become “one person” - or does “one person” mean either the girl or the guy? I think he means either.

——

AWP - Did you say that you guys have cameras that could possibly get some sort of facial recognition on...

Nick - Yeah, so we do indeed. We have cameras facing front and rear of our vehicles as well as that we do have like audio, so we could pick up audio from inside and outside of the truck. So we did have that and I'm guaranteeing, I mean, my vehicles facing directly towards hers. So that's how I normally do it for my protection.

——

Nick’s not confirming there is audio or camera footage - just that they do have cameras and could pick up audio. They do have those things - he prevents himself from guaranteeing anything. It’s how he normally does it but not necessarily how he did it.


I have doubts as to whether Nick left the area when he said he left - he also doesn’t know which day he arrived. His personal ? phone “my phone” puts him in the Boca area on Saturday and Sunday - he doesn’t have access to previous call outs on his work phone.

Why is time so sensitive to him, besides just not knowing which day of the week he attended the call out to Keily’s vehicle? He could genuinely not be sure of the day if he was working the area for three days and only has access to the current day’s call outs on his work phone. He wouldn’t necessarily know from his personal phone exactly where he had been on which days, depending on his settings.

Everything to do with time is self-contradictory or confused - If it was just in regards the day of the call out I wouldn’t think much to it, but as he seems generally to have issues around time, when he realised it was “a situation”, and when he left, it’s reasonable to wonder what he might be leaving out.

John Mc Gowan said...

OT:

I think we can rule out, Mum and Dad.

I only have the text to go by because the VT won't broadcast in my location.

‘I just need to know if she’s safe’: Parents of missing teen continue to search for answers.

BERKELEY COUNTY, S.C. (WCSC) - The family of a missing 15-year-old girl who was last seen on her first day of school desperately wants answers.

Sarah Pipkin’s parents, Darling and Rick Campbell, contacted the police an hour after she did not get off the bus from school on Aug. 15.

When Darling contacted Cane Bay High School, the principal told her that Pipkin had gotten on the bus. The next day, a video pulled from the school showed her standing at the bus loop before walking towards Marshall Acres Drive with a group of students.

Pipkin did not bring her wallet or phone with her the day she went missing, according to her parents. They both say it was just a normal morning getting ready for school.

“We’re thinking it’s not necessarily a runaway and that someone has picked her up,” Darling says. “We don’t know what to think because we just don’t know. We just want her home so she can either get the help she needs and continue with her life. You know, that’s all we want.”

Pipkin was last seen at Cane Bay High School wearing faded black jeans, a black Bob Ross T-shirt and white Air Force 1′s. She also had a gray backpack with flowers on it.

How is she eating?” Darling asked. “You know, how is she staying out of the weather? What is she doing, or what is she having to do? My mind goes like to the left because of everything that’s going on you know. I’m like, this is my baby girl.”

CrimeStoppers of the Lowcountry is offering a $1,000 reward, plus up to an additional $1,000 for information leading to the location of Pipkin.

“If I was going to run away, I would make sure that I had extra clothes, socks, shoes whatever,” Rick said. “She took not even deodorant, not even money, she didn’t take it, she didn’t take anything.”

When asked about the search, the Berkeley County Sheriff’s Office said they do not have any updates to provide on the case. Those with information are asked to call CrimeStoppers of the Lowcountry at 843-554-1111.

“I need to know I need to know if she’s safe,” Darling says. “I need to know if someone’s harmed her if someone has and I want them prosecuted to the fullest. You know, I mean, in all reality, she is 15. She’s not old enough to make decisions for herself.”

https://www.foxcarolina.com/2022/09/19/i-just-need-know-if-shes-safe-parents-missing-teen-continue-search-answers/

Anonymous said...

Blogger John Mc Gowan said...
OT:

“I need to know I need to know if she’s safe,” Darling says. “I need to know if someone’s harmed her if someone has and I want them prosecuted to the fullest. You know, I mean, in all reality, she is 15. She’s not old enough to make decisions for herself.”

The addition of the articles "if" are a red flag. The subject isn't asking for her to come home or contact them which one would think would be a priority. He has elevated "and I want them prosecuted to the fullest" indicating he is leaning towards harm.

Hey Jude said...

OT - Sarah Pipkin

“We’re thinking it’s not necessarily a runaway and that someone has picked her up”

“We don’t know what to think because we just don’t know.”

Yet the mother has already said they are thinking “it’s not necessarily a runaway” - which lack of conviction along with the sensitivity of the negative creates doubt.

That it was a “normal morning” could indicate otherwise. That Sarah did not take phone or money to school could be because she was prevented from taking money and phone to keep her from contacting someone, or from travelling, other than on the school bus. It’s unlikely a teen would willingly be without phone or money, though a reason to leave her phone, if she was not prevented from taking it, could be to avoid being traced.

Anonymous said...

The US State Department: “The claim that Washington is behind the Nord Stream incident is unreasonable and part of the Russian disinformation.” Reliable denial? Lol

John Mc Gowan said...

OT Update: Missing Sarah Pipkin.

Parents language reflected worry and concern of what Sarah maybe going through. What we would expect from none parental involvement.

15-year-old runaway found safe in Berkeley County

A 15-year-old girl who’d been missing for two months from the Berkeley County area was found safe.

Berkeley County Sheriff’s deputies located Sarah Pipkin after receiving a tip from someone who saw her, Cpl. Carli Drayton wrote in an email early Oct. 13.

It was unclear from Drayton’s email what time Pipkin was found or where.

More

https://www.postandcourier.com/news/15-year-old-runaway-found-safe-in-berkeley-county/article_f8c2607c-4ae7-11ed-9104-375544ecf09f.html#:~:text=A%2015%2Dyear%2Dold%20girl,someone%20who%20saw%20her%2C%20Cpl.

Previous article.

I just need to know if she’s safe’: Parents of missing teen continue to search for answers.

Snipped:

How is she eating?” Darling (Mum) asked. “You know, how is she staying out of the weather? What is she doing, or what is she having to do? My mind goes like to the left because of everything that’s going on you know. I’m like, this is my baby girl.”

“I need to know I need to know if she’s safe,” Darling says. “I need to know if someone’s harmed her if someone has and I want them prosecuted to the fullest. You know, I mean, in all reality, she is 15. She’s not old enough to make decisions for herself.”

https://www.foxcarolina.com/2022/09/19/i-just-need-know-if-shes-safe-parents-missing-teen-continue-search-answers/


John Mc Gowan said...

Debbie Collier murder:

- Federal agents said they are now joining in the investigation of a Georgia mother whose body was found naked, burned and dumped in the woods after she sent a cryptic text message to her daughter was a "deliberate and personal act."

The case of 59-year-old Debbie Collier's death has raised a lot of questions and gained nationwide attention, but so far, authorities have not had a lot of answers as to what happened.

Habersham County Chief Deputy Murray Kogod says surveillance footage shows Collier leaving a Family Dollar at 3:09 p.m. on the day she was reported missing. Collier then stayed in her van parked in the parking lot for 10 minutes before driving off southbound on Georgia 15.

Her body was discovered at 12:44 p.m. on Sunday, Sept. 11, Kogod said.

The case remains "complex in nature and has a lot of questions and unknowns.

Investigators say that they do not have any evidence suggesting the incident was related to a kidnapping or suicide and are still considering the case a murder investigation.

An autopsy into Collier's cause of death and a crime lab analysis of evidence found at the scene are still pending.
Collier was seen buying a red reusable tote bag, a 2-roll pack of paper towels, tarp, rain poncho, and reusable lighter at the store in Clayton, Georgia on store surveillance the day prior. Those objects were later found uphill from where her remains were discovered.

Collier went missing on Sept. 10 after reportedly sending her daughter $2,385 over the Venmo app and a cryptic message reading, "They are not going to let me go love you there is a key to the house in the blue flowerpot by the door."

The daughter, Amanda Bearden, told police the final message, with the payment, "scared her" and that it was "unusual" for her mother to leave without telling anyone. She and Steve Collier, the missing woman's husband, alerted the police and filed a missing-person report.

Investigators used a SiriusXM radio in Collier’s rental car to track it to a highway 60 miles away in Clarkesville, Georgia. A Habersham County K-9 unit found her remains down an embankment in the woods a quarter-mile from the vehicle — nude, "laying on her back, grasping a small tree with her right hand," according to the incident report.

The FBI Atlanta office said agents have been asked to join in the investigation.

Anyone with information on Collier’s case is asked to contact Habersham County Sheriff’s Investigators Cale Garrison or George Cason at 706-839-0559 or 706-839-0560.
https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/debbie-collier-death-fbi-joins-investigation-into-bizarre-case


Listen to 911 call from Amanda Bearden | debbie collier update.

Missing Georgia mom Debbie Collier breaking update.
A Georgia family's frantic search for missing Debbie Collier is revealed in four 911 calls placed by three family members obtained by Fox News Digital. Police later found her partially burned, stripped naked and dead at the bottom of a ravine off a rural highway.

Debbie Collier murder updates timeline playlist:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2...
Debbie Collier murder: Daughter who received $2.3K Venmo before mom's murder has criminal history
https://youtu.be/nIj0XrsISDE
EXCLUSIVE: Debbie Collier murder | Unfired round found near scene of Georgia woman's unsolved slaying
https://youtu.be/8zS7kGoNK00
Debbie Collier murder: Listen to 911 call from Steven Collier | debbie collier update
https://youtu.be/iShaylvGrK8
EXCLUSIVE: Listen to 911 call from Amanda Bearden | Debbie Collier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH1mmIZ8L2s

Anonymous said...

Bearden says "I'm Sorry" 5 times in her 911 call.