tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post1110016855572470318..comments2024-03-18T04:20:15.987-04:00Comments on Statement Analysis ®: The Disappearance of David Hartley Part One by Peter Hyatt Statement Analysis Bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13607372649929274491noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-56930892790448254122015-11-04T10:47:33.401-05:002015-11-04T10:47:33.401-05:00Peter said "this could lead to no further inv...Peter said "this could lead to no further invitations back to the show"<br /><br /><br />That is just it.<br /><br />I follow Pat Brown the criminal profiler. And she has stopped getting calls from many shows because she speaks the truth and not what they want her to speak. <br /><br />Nancy Grave only speaks against those that the public thinks is guilty. <br /><br />And like many, has spoke in support of the McCanns because like many, I think fears lawsuits and not because she thinks they are innocent. <br /><br />Media has become a joke. It's no longer about truth but ratings. trustmeigetithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05707304982363758140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-77948611033565840072015-11-03T23:25:56.208-05:002015-11-03T23:25:56.208-05:00Quoting article:
"Fuschino simply said the to...Quoting article:<br />"Fuschino simply said the toxicology report supports what police <b>initially</b> told him – that DJ Creato is not a suspect in the toddler's death."<br />~~~<br /><br />Have the police told him something after the "initial" conversation? Have the police said they consider him a person of interest, or officially ruled him out?<br /><br />Simply, indeed..,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-42110247824755498122015-11-03T16:43:33.029-05:002015-11-03T16:43:33.029-05:00I find it understandable, though deplorable that e...I find it understandable, though deplorable that experts will say "I believe she is credible!!!" While on a highly viewed show such as Nancy Grace. If they are correct, they can say "Heh, noone believed her, but I did." And if they are wrong, will simply look like a humanitarian. A soft heart as it were. Whereas the ones who are incredulous, if found to be wrong, are labled as witch hunters, and if correct are simply not spoken of. I wonder how their careers have been boosted, the experts that played to the media rather than be loyal to their trade.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08696212539579604251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-25253354612004269092015-11-03T16:02:42.782-05:002015-11-03T16:02:42.782-05:00I think she was so small and cute that they immedi...I think she was so small and cute that they immediately fell for it. Anonymous made me chuckle above. <br /><br />I think Sheriff Ziggy, however, used narrative to trump truth. <br /><br />A Mexican American, he immigrated lawfully and wanted lawful immigration only and used the story for his agenda. <br /><br />Susan was right: if this was David on the beach and Tiffany dead, the polygraph would have been requested immediately. <br /><br />Peter Statement Analysis Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13607372649929274491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-64815764240076032132015-11-03T12:07:20.893-05:002015-11-03T12:07:20.893-05:00a floating lifeless body would be a breeze to flip...a floating lifeless body would be a breeze to flip over in water over your headAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-11431669046689837522015-11-03T10:58:22.020-05:002015-11-03T10:58:22.020-05:00I remember when this happened. I was reading a lo...I remember when this happened. I was reading a lot of info here. My question then was: Why didn't an investigator or forensic specialist go over HER jetski with a fine tooth comb? If she was so close to him, and he's been shot in the head, then bloody water would have cycled through the engine.<br /><br />My question now is: Why was Nancy Grace so quick to believe her? Simply because of her looks? NG was a prosecutor. She certainly must know that you can't tell guilt or innocence about a person based on their looks. I think I just answered my own question. Ratings. Having Tiff come back on the show. Ratings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-32395269832705312712015-11-03T07:17:59.687-05:002015-11-03T07:17:59.687-05:00OT:
The #3 raises it's head once more.
New J...OT:<br /><br />The #3 raises it's head once more.<br /><br /><b>New Jersey Pastor Lies About Being Attacked, Bound at Church: Prosecutors</b><br /><br />A New Jersey pastor lied when he said three people attacked him inside his church and tied him up, prosecutors say. <br /><br />Read More:<br /><br />http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Pastor-Lie-Church-Attack-New-Jersey-Jairon-Pena-Police-339492632.htmlJohn Mc Gowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430624388902099338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-74611310999064307442015-11-03T07:17:00.450-05:002015-11-03T07:17:00.450-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.John Mc Gowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430624388902099338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-32010721549135665372015-11-03T05:35:40.845-05:002015-11-03T05:35:40.845-05:00OT Update:
S.J. toddler's toxicology report c...OT Update:<br /><br /><b>S.J. toddler's toxicology report comes back clean, father's lawyer says<br /><br />An attorney for the boy's father says the case remains a 'real mystery'</b><br /><br />The toxicology report for Brendan Creato, the toddler found dead in Haddon Township last month, has come back negative.<br /><br />Richard J. Fuschino, the lawyer representing the boy's father, David "DJ" Creato, said the Camden County Prosecutor's Office has informed him that results of the toxicology report have come back negative, but that the autopsy was still officially pending.<br /><br />Andy McNeil, public information officer for the prosecutor's office, would not confirm or deny the toxicology report's findings to PhillyVoice.<br /><br />"We are continuing to conduct an exhaustive investigation into the death of three-year-old Brendan Creato," McNeil said in an email. "We have no further comment at this time. We will contact reporters when we have more information to share."<br /><br />Fuschino simply said the toxicology report supports what police initially told him – that DJ Creato is not a suspect in the toddler's death.<br /><br />"Unfortunately, it gets us no closer to an answer to what happened here," Fuschino said. "However, for all of those people on social media talking about how he is a suspect ... I think this just goes to show what a real mystery there is here."<br /><br />A police dog discovered Creato's lifeless body around 9 a.m. on Oct. 13 in a strip of woods flanking South Park Drive, near a sharp elbow bend in the road.<br /><br />Brendan and his 22-year-old father lived in an apartment a half-mile away, at the corner of Cooper and Virginia streets. DJ Creato and Samantha Denoto, the toddler's mother, shared custody of Brendan, but he was in his father's custody when he disappeared.<br /><br />DJ Creato has told authorities that the boy was last seen around 10 p.m. on Oct. 12. Brendan was reported missing from their second-floor, double-locked apartment when DJ awoke the next day before 6 a.m.<br /><br />DJ Creato has said he immediately called his mother, Lisa, who lives about two blocks away on Virginia Street. He has said he next called Haddon Township police to report Brendan as missing.<br /><br />Authorities have released limited details regarding their investigation, saying the toddler was not physically molested and there was no signs of forced entry at the apartment.<br /><br />Township police spent at least three days last week in the woods where the body was found, and canvassed the homes in the adjoining neighborhood.<br /><br />Both a man and a woman have reported seeing an older white man wheeling a baby carriage toward Cooper River Park around 7 a.m. on Oct. 13. The man, Mark Hoover, told PhillyVoice that the man pushing the carriage wore a yellow sweater, tan pants and eyeglasses. He said the man appeared to at least be 60.<br /><br />Hoover said he could not see into the carriage because it was covered with a blanket. The temperature that morning was in the low 50s. He said the man appeared to try to stare him down after he met his gaze.<br /><br />Fuschino previously told PhillyVoice that he had not heard of the baby stroller in the area before being contacted by a reporter. He was unaware of any stroller missing from his client's apartment or the Creato's home.<br /><br />The prosecutor's office has declined to comment on the stroller sightings.<br /><br />http://www.phillyvoice.com/fathers-lawyer-told-toddlers-toxicology-report-comes-back-negative/John Mc Gowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430624388902099338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-2140912325530946372015-11-02T23:50:30.121-05:002015-11-02T23:50:30.121-05:00Part 2 of 2
So, "they" shot her husband...Part 2 of 2<br /><br />So, "they" shot her husband in the head, fired a hail of bullets at her departing jet ski, allowed her to safely turn around and attempt to rescue/retrieve their murder victim, stood around on their boat discussing something, and allowed her to safely remount her jest ski, <b> and then they fired on her as they chased her, but she outran them</b>. That's Tiffany's story. Is it even logical, much less believable?<br /><br />We all know those drug cartel members are known for being: bad shots;indecisive;slow to respond; and letting their victims get away. Not. There's no way they would have missed Tiffany (3 boats full of armed pirated firing at her as they chased her jet ski), given her a safe pass to ride back to David, given her time unchallenged to "try" to get David up, debated what to do within inches of her, only to fire upon her minutes later as she fled, <b>and still missed her</b> Unmodified jet skis can go 45-70 mph; most speed boats can go 60-75 mph. What are the odds, Tiffany Hartley renting jet skis for the day can twice outrun 3 drug cartel boats that are firing at her?<br /><br />It's interesting that Tiffany said God was speaking to her, "Telling her to go now...". What's missing? That she never called on God in the midst of this supposedly horrific event. It's far more believable and expected that even hardened criminals call out God's name when someone is murdered right in front of them. I would expect a wife to hysterically call out to God. One may unconsciously recoil in horror (a panicked, hysterical Jackie Kennedy tried to climb out of the backseat in the Dallas motorcade when JFK was shot). Sometimes people even involuntarily vomit (gunshot wounds to the back of the head are graphic and not something most people are accustomed to seeing, much less to one's spouse).<br /><br />Too many holes in her story for it to float,as the Mexican authorities knew immediately. They've been fighting drug cartels for years and know their enemy well...and it wasn't what Tiffany described.Foolsfeedonfollynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-56690101979405789992015-11-02T23:47:23.529-05:002015-11-02T23:47:23.529-05:00Part 1 of 2
Having read a lot here previously abou...Part 1 of 2<br />Having read a lot here previously about the Hartley case, I'm always excited when Peter posts an update on this case. In discussing some of his comments, I realized something I never considered. I'm sorry if this is a little graphic.<br /><br />Tiffany's story is that she went back and jumped off her jet ski...so that means she's in the water. Is the lake knee to shoulder deep, is she wearing a life vest, or is she treading water? Well, the lake can't be knee to shoulder deep with cartel speed boats. So, we're left with life vest or treading water. She can't be treading water and trying to move David at the same time. So, that leaves wearing a life vest.<br /><br /> I'm picturing tiny Tiffany Hartley, in her life vest, pulling a dead, lifeless (therefore no muscle control) big, hulking David to flip him over. If he had on a life vest, his chest region would have floated, but his legs would have been down (no muscle control),making it even more difficult to turn him. How could Tiffany, floating in her life vest, have "flipped" David over? First of all, he significantly outweighs her. Second of all, she's floating, therefore bobbing. Thirdly, he's literally dead weight and bobbing also. <br />**NOTE: This is when she also says he was face down, but when she flips him over she mentions he's shot in the back of the head. It's out of order. She should have seen that with him face down, not face up.<br /><br />She follows that with "But I just-I couldn't get him up." She would have had to have held her jet ski because it would have been bobbing like crazy with her trying to heave him onto it. Not to be graphic here, but her vest, her suit, and her jet ski should have all three been bloody with the effort. At this point in her story, she's very skimpy on details where there should have been a lot of sensory description.<br /><br />So, "they" shot David and "they" did what when she turned around on her jet ski and went back? Notice the hail of bullets stopped when she turned around? Notice she did not mention being fired upon at all as she went back to David? From her account, the boats "came up" then-no engine noise, no shooting, no shouting. If they were chasing her and shooting at her in a "hail of bullets" when she was going away from them, why weren't they shooting at her when she was coming towards them? Did they suddenly run out of ammunition? ;) Were they afraid they would miss her again (even though they had no trouble shooting her moving husband in the head, while they were in pursuit)? ;)<br /><br />Foolsfeedonfollynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-46177190386014071252015-11-02T19:40:12.314-05:002015-11-02T19:40:12.314-05:00"she went to a phone to call 911 and report t..."she went to a phone to call 911 and report that..."<br /><br />Ah, I see now! I wondered why it read "went to a phone to..." which would be obvious. Why not just state "she called 911 and reported..."?<br /><br />Because she didn't! Someone else made the call and began the reporting of the emergency and she got on the call when the operator asked to talk to her. So "she called 911" would not be truthful.<br /><br />So, setting aside why the statement implied she called 911 when SHE didn't, why the summary didn't include that someone else placed the call, what about the "hello" part of it? <br /><br />"She began her call with 'Hello'?"<br /><br />So, THE call didn't begin with "Hello?" But her part of it did.<br /><br />I get that when a 911 operator says "911- what's your emergency?" OR "What's the address..." that to interrupt the flow of information with a greeting is to make friendly when the priority should be getting information about the emergency. But the greeting in the Sapir research comes after the operator's question.<br /><br />Here, the operator asks the guy to talk to Tiffany, he presumably hands her the phone. Then she says "hello?"(note the question mark which is not present in previous "greeting" examples.) Here, her "hello?"is to let the operator know she is on the line. She has not been asked a question by the operator. This does not fit the same pattern we've been shown: a person who is stalling or making nice with authorities. It's more akin to when someone picks up the ringing phone to say "Yes, I'm here." <br /><br />Before peeps get all worked up- I'm not saying she's truthful. I'm questioning 1. Why the summary of the 911 call <i>implies </i>she called and leaves out info about the guy who actually placed the call, and 2. As part of the omission above why this "hello?" is treated the same as all the others when it's different from the others in at least two ways.Anon @ 4:29noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-38451624627084789022015-11-02T18:20:32.993-05:002015-11-02T18:20:32.993-05:00What is worth noting about tiffany is that over th...What is worth noting about tiffany is that over the last few years since David was murdered, there have been no appeals for witnesses, no please to keep an eye out for bodily remains even an item of clothing.<br />Where are the demands for investigations?<br />Where are the announcements of rewards for any tips or information?<br /><br />Where is the expected language and behavior of an innocent wife calling for her husband to be returned to her for a dignified burial?<br /><br />Where is the expected language and behavior of an innocent wife calling out for justice for her husband?<br /><br />Where is the expected language and behavior of an innocent wife calling out to the killers to say where his remains are?<br /><br />I am looking for the expected language, the words, the desperation, the behavior, the searching, and all i hear is the unexpected silence, all i see is unexpected distancing, the unexpected non searching, the unexpected erasure of David from her life.<br /><br />I look for the expected and see only the unexpected<br />Tania Cadoganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06511272355142175684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-42264009790841154742015-11-02T16:40:08.246-05:002015-11-02T16:40:08.246-05:00(OT continued)
We heard every powerful, stinging ...(OT continued)<br /><br />We heard every powerful, stinging blow of the paddle hitting that tiny baby. It went on and on, every time there was a pause and I thought it was over it started up again.<br /><br />Ron Williams actually stopped preaching. Grinning from ear to ear he made a fist and moved it enthusiastically across his body like a diabolical cheerleader, “Hit him again Sister! Hit him again!”<br /><br />No one moved. No one DID anything. The babies cries were becoming strangled as he choked and he seemed to gasp dangerously between blows.<br /><br />“Go get that baby Susan!” The voice in my head was screaming, “DO SOMETHING!”<br /><br />I stared straight ahead as Ron Williams resumed his droning sermon. I thought of twenty scenarios where I saved that baby, but I sat glued to my seat. My blood ran cold.<br /><br />The crying stopped before the blows stopped. Soon Mrs. K. stepped out from behind the wall she was sobbing and clinging to her baby Patti was right behind her with a huge self satisfied smile on her corpulent face, now red from exertion.<br /><br />The baby was quiet. A spooky unnatural quiet. I watched the little bundle for signs of life intently until I saw his little chest heave showing he was indeed breathing.<br /><br />How hard would you have to hit a baby to make him stop crying? Why would we all just sit there and let it happen?<br /><br />I realized I had not taken any notes for several minutes. Somehow, knowing I would be paddled for that offense gave me a bizarre moment of satisfaction . A form of penance for my cowardice.<br /><br />Everyone took their places.<br /><br />Ron Williams droned on.<br /><br />~ By Susan GrotteLisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-50063862684408542842015-11-02T16:39:17.460-05:002015-11-02T16:39:17.460-05:00OT Peter, I think I am getting what you have expla...OT Peter, I think I am getting what you have explained about sensory descriptions in victims' accounts. I read a horrifying account that I actually wish was not true but I think that it is. This is an account of an incident that happened at a so-called Christian home for troubled girls. The site it is posted on has several accounts written by different survivors. http://hephzibah-girls.blogspot.com/2011/04/story-of-baby-s-as-witnesses-by-susan.html<br />===========================================================<br /><br />Story of Baby S. as witnessed by Susan Grotte 15<br /><br />Sundays at Hephzibah house were dominated by Church.<br /><br />I sat in a metal folding chair trying not to squirm since I had no fat left to cushion the hard seat beneath me. I was in the last of 5 rows of 6 girls interspersed with 4 staff ladies. The Hephzibah girls and Hephzibah staff, along with their children made up the entire congregation in the little unfinished basement room. Behind me I heard the familiar sounds of little baby S nursing away during the service. It felt good to know that sweet Mrs. K. was behind me. She would not be quick to find fault in my posture or how my hair was curled. The rhythmic sounds of a suckling baby were soothing and normal sounds in this surreal world.<br /><br />Back straight, eyes forward. I tried to pay attention to the long winded sermon and take good notes. Notes were turned in after every service and checked to make sure we paid attention to the service and were not daydreaming. If staff did not like your notes it was a paddling offense. Ron Williams had a theory that young people who were not engaged in busy work were lusting and enjoying lascivious fantasies.<br /><br />My feet were cold and my back ached but otherwise the sermon was a nice reprieve from the normal stress of daily life at Hephzibah house.<br /><br />Ron Williams deep voice filled the small room. He dwarfed the tiny podium.<br /><br />Patti Williams sat on the left side of the room with all eight children in a row. There was always a well worn paddle laying on the seat beside her. It was not unusual to see her paddle her children for wiggling or making noise during the long sermons. The youngest was Seth, perhaps two years old and the darling irrepressible Benjamin was just four years old. I do not recall a service where that poor little boy did not get a severe beating. I was amazed how undaunted and happy he remained. Seth seemed dull. He just sat and sucked his fingers. He showed no signs of normal 2 year old curiosity and wonder. Maybe that is what a successfully broken will would looked like in a two year old. I found it profoundly disturbing.<br /><br />Suddenly there was movement. I sensed rather than saw Mrs. K. stand up behind me. I dared not turn my head but up front Mrs Williams also hefted her wide girth out of her metal chair. It creaked loudly in protest. At just 40, Patti Williams was fat, slovenly and mean as a snake. Her grey hair in a stringy bun she stood looking back behind me towards the Mrs. K. and baby S. She had picked up the small paddle. A hard, tight smile crossed her humorless face. Mrs. K. had now made her way into my line of vision.<br /><br />Mrs. K. was clearly upset as she carried her tiny baby towards the front of the chapel.<br /><br />Ron Williams just droned on.<br /><br />My stomach clenched. What was this???<br /><br />Patti guided Mrs. K. into a small walled off area at the front of the room. The area was meant to be a closet one day. Now it had no door and served to store extra folding chairs. The two women entered the narrow room I had a partial view of the inside of the room but could no longer see Mrs. K. and the baby past Patti’s wide back.<br /><br />Ron Williams kept preaching.<br /><br />“NO! Oh NO!”<br /><br />I was frozen. Staring straight ahead and gripping my pencil in horror.<br /><br />WHACK!!<br /><br />The baby SCREAMED.Lisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-55708641315184900622015-11-02T16:29:00.909-05:002015-11-02T16:29:00.909-05:00"When Tiffany emerged from Falcon Lake, she w..."When Tiffany emerged from Falcon Lake, she went to a phone to call 911 and report that her husband had been shot and killed. <br /><br />She began her call with, "Hello?""<br /><br />Something is not right about this statement. Has "her" 911 call been analyzed?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-30965891087114362232015-11-02T12:48:53.754-05:002015-11-02T12:48:53.754-05:00"and wonder if your families are just going t...<i>"and wonder if your families are just going to never know where you are."</i><br /><br />How did she know so early on that families would never know where David was? And she says "where you are" instead of "what happened to you". Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com