tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post386140264386532632..comments2024-03-18T04:20:15.987-04:00Comments on Statement Analysis ®: DeOrr Case Examined: Unintended Death Theory Statement Analysis Bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13607372649929274491noreply@blogger.comBlogger374125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-39718272372479132352021-03-01T15:32:30.098-05:002021-03-01T15:32:30.098-05:00I need to know if the camper was every taken apart...I need to know if the camper was every taken apart, was the truck ever taken apart, and did they get anything besides diesel at the truck stop that morning he went missing. Campers have the smallest nooks and crannies. Trucks have spots that lift up. Did they ever verify the vehicle was the same one start to finish? Is there a missing vehicle somewhere? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-68318799588805266152019-07-19T03:42:06.326-04:002019-07-19T03:42:06.326-04:00AgreeAgreeAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01137474859628893478noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-69778210377826361012016-03-01T21:18:33.809-05:002016-03-01T21:18:33.809-05:00KUNZ INVESTIGATOR: JESSICA MITCHELL KNOWS WHERE DE...KUNZ INVESTIGATOR: JESSICA MITCHELL KNOWS WHERE DEORR’S BODY IS<br /><br /><br />Jessica herself has told investigators on our team she knows where the body is but she will not go all the way and finish her story.<br /><br />... in our interviews with the grandfather, he did admit to investigators that he believes there was an accident. He will not go all the way and tell the complete truth at this time.<br /><br />http://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/03/kunz-investigator-jessica-mitchell-knows-where-deorrs-body-is/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-44879821369547317792016-02-29T23:36:10.565-05:002016-02-29T23:36:10.565-05:00This is the full, unedited interview with private ...This is the full, unedited interview with private investigator Phillip Klein on the state of the DeOrr Kunz, Jr. investigation. All of the opinions on the case are solely those of Klein.<br /><br />http://m.localnews8.com/news/interview-with-private-investigator-phillip-klein-on-deorr-kunz-investigation/38264866Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-79871399761393399282016-02-29T23:09:27.464-05:002016-02-29T23:09:27.464-05:00Klein Investigations and Consulting have ended Pha...Klein Investigations and Consulting have ended Phase III and are moving on to the recovery phase. VDK, JM and RW are listed as "persons of interest / suspects with direct knowledge." IR has been more forthcoming and his statements are being investigated and analyzed. Klein vindicates the extended family members of the suspects, but not without driving a point home in the final paragraph. <br /><br />"Private investigator issues statement regarding DeOrr Kunz, Jr.": http://www.eastidahonews.com/2016/02/kunz-private-investigator-issues/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-91313143907330392352016-02-25T01:40:06.273-05:002016-02-25T01:40:06.273-05:00 Off Topic: DeOrr Kunz Jr. case (also posted in... Off Topic: DeOrr Kunz Jr. case (also posted in last DeOrr Kunz thread)<br /><br /> Interview with Sheriff Bowerman here: http://www.idahostatejournal.com/members/sheriff-discusses-deorr-kunz-jr-disappearance-and-case-of-baby/article_b4d359f2-0b13-55d2-9aec-178b359a5683.html<br /><br /> A few notable points:<br /><br /> 1. Bowerman is a former Boise County sheriff and a past Ada County deputy, and he’s served as a U.S Marshal. (bolding mine, for emphasis)<br /><br /> 2. “We know that the parents aren’t telling the truth, and they know that we know that they’re lying,” Bowerman said. “I know that they know where the little boy is and what happened to him.”<br /><br /> The gloves are officially off.Foolsfeedonfollynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-46134362647738117272016-02-14T16:18:06.551-05:002016-02-14T16:18:06.551-05:00GGP and Isacc are patsies.
Using GGP and Isacc to...GGP and Isacc are patsies.<br /><br />Using GGP and Isacc to deflect suspicion away from themselves is one of the more reprehensible aspects of JM and VDs characters.<br /><br />That and lying to EVERYONE who has tried to help them.<br /><br />They know exactly what happened and where little DeOrr is, but they chose to waste thousands of dollars and man hours on a wild goose chase, make up stories about black trucks and staring men, inflict untold suffering on people (and strangers) who care about DeOrr, cast blame on relatives and friends, rather than tell the truth and accept their fate.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-36847686775806871842016-02-13T16:24:55.960-05:002016-02-13T16:24:55.960-05:00Natalie, Yes I think the ggp could be the one. He ...Natalie, Yes I think the ggp could be the one. He had opportunity. He, according to the story, was the last one to see Djr alive. Just playing in the dirt. DeorrS said he was right there by the picnic table. I read in the earlier posts that Deorr and Jessica had left the baby with ggp and Isaac when they had left for town. I'm not sure if it was a post Trina put out on facebook. Maybe this is where the stories started to change. Remember all along Deorr has said he left him with ggp. That may be true.<br /> I'v also thought of the possibilities of premeditation. When a child is targeted by a pedophile, there is usually some planning involved. <br /> Isaac said in the Nate interview, that he was surprised that the parents were named as suspects. I ask you why was he surprised? Did he know of someone else?<br /> Idaho State Repository- East Idaho News was able to speak briefly with Reinwand on Monday. Reinwand told them that Djr was with him and the great-grandfather before he went missing. He declined any further comments. July 28th<br /> PI Vilt had said that Jessica and Deorr left Djr with ggp and Isaac in the morning and ggp at some point went inside his camper and may have been distracted.<br /> Maybe ggp happened to pick little Djr up and carry him into the camper needing some privacy. I have a feeling that baby didn't wander too far away from the immediate area. The search dogs might have missed Djr because Djr was carried away. Right there at camp. So why didn't they have the dogs trace ggp's scent? And Isaacs'. Just to see where they may lead. I really think they were tracking the wrong person [Djr] <br /> I don't for one minute believe ggp was distracted! We've all seen these sad disgusting child murderers before. The planning could of been taking place in the subconscience all along. Just waiting for opportunity. <br /> The FBI took Waltons coveralls not Isaacs or anybody else's. Just saying. IMODCMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-31828654822163910872016-02-12T23:49:22.371-05:002016-02-12T23:49:22.371-05:00DCM,
Exactly! Like they were planned and syncron...DCM,<br /><br />Exactly! Like they were planned and syncronized, and as you said it points to the unnaturalness of the way the 911 calls were done and how the search was done.<br /><br />The Grandpa could have harmed him, and I doubt he is anywhere near as helpless as they make him out to be, however IF he did harm DeOrr, I don't believe he killed and hid him and that the parents don't know what happened to DeOrr or where DeOrr is. Unfortunately, my hunch about this case is that DeOrr was surrounded by a group of evil people and that probably more than one were abusing him, and that, quite frankly, they all knew what was going on. <br />Do you think it was the Grandpa? Do you think they are covering for him? Or do you think it is possible that they don't know exactly what the grandpa did or where DeOrr is?<br />It is true that all it would take is just one evil S.O.B. to have killed him. I saw a video in which a body language analyst felt both parents were showing indicators of innocence and sincerity and he made some very good points. I personally don't buy the father's story and feel he is lying and I do find some disturbing elements in his language, however it is possible that grandpa did it.Natalienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-19549434689960931232016-02-12T10:38:22.256-05:002016-02-12T10:38:22.256-05:00Natalie, I agree with you about the phone calls no...Natalie, I agree with you about the phone calls not coming in naturally. Good point. Like they were synchronized.Planned? So what do you truly think about ggp? I do have my doubts. Axe- overalls-shovel the overalls belong to Walton which I find quite interesting. Could they of contained either seminal fluid, or blood? Would they have been swabbed for traces of human blood verses fish blood? We know ggp is in poor health breathing problems,and prostrate cancer. But if its true that he has early dementia, how come he's able to drive the Suburban pulling a camper? I guess he has a license. Umm.Is he really that helpless. Do you think we might be missing a important clue as to who done it? I do think the dogs were in the vehicles,camper ect. Klein refused to comment on whether they found anything. Maybe ggp took Djr into his camper? I just don't trust easily. IMO<br /><br /><br />DCMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-66321404481802231722016-02-11T21:40:33.102-05:002016-02-11T21:40:33.102-05:00Maybe the calls from 911 from the 3 is indicative ...Maybe the calls from 911 from the 3 is indicative that the 3 "staged" the search...like instead of it happening naturally that they were all searching, and then communicated with each other that they could not find him...they said "OK, let's pretend we're searching and then call 911...so they dispersed in different directions and all made individual 911 calls...this could even explain DeOrr's Sr. "hauling" up the road and then calling. Maybe it was just due to the search being "staged". I am starting to think that that is what happened. And that type of scenario might lend itself to the actual disappearance of baby DeOrr being due to them handing him off to someone in some black market type "adoption". It is statistically unlikely that they did this, however, it seems possible to me in this scenario of this missing child.<br />Natalienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-58117861728324875342016-02-11T10:01:31.224-05:002016-02-11T10:01:31.224-05:00Fools-I thought GGP's call was the 2:22pm call...Fools-I thought GGP's call was the 2:22pm call? Maybe I'm wrong. It sounds like J's phone is cutting out. IDK. DCMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-13506666929010732472016-02-11T01:58:54.314-05:002016-02-11T01:58:54.314-05:00I just cannot figure out Isaac. Around September 1...I just cannot figure out Isaac. Around September 16th 2015, the PI says that JM and DK left Djr with Isaac and GGP in the morning and GGP at some point went inside his camper and "may have been distracted". That doesn't match what the Sheriff said. If Djr went missing in the morning, what about his trip to the store with the P's "as a family" in the afternoon? <br /> On July 28th East Idaho News spoke with IR briefly outside his home. IR AGREED when Nate asked if Djr was with him and GGP before he went missing. When Nate asked what happened to him? <br />"He just disappeared". IR said. <br /> He must be a POI both to LE and the FBI? And not ruled out? <br />DCMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-80719251566427673792016-02-10T19:04:59.101-05:002016-02-10T19:04:59.101-05:00If Jessica, DeOrr of anyone else backed over littl...If Jessica, DeOrr of anyone else backed over little DeOrr, it happened elsewhere. Such an accident leaves blood, body fluids, etc. on both the truck and the ground. According to the Sheriff, there is no evidence to support that at the campsite. That doesn't rule out their home in Idaho Falls or any stop along the way on the trip though. I may have missed it, but I haven't seen any reports on their home and property being searched in Idaho Falls.<br /><br />I found it interesting that Grandpa was 911 call #3. Why would Grandpa call if he was there with Jessica at the campsite <b>when</b> she called? If he wasn't there when she made the call, then where was he? By that point, Jessica had gotten through-just a few minutes later, the Dispatcher asked if her husband was calling on another line (heard on the call)? So, why would Grandpa call at all? Where was Grandpa when he placed the call? His call wasn't released; it wasn't even publicly disclosed until after Sheriff Bowerman announced the parents were suspects. I wonder what Grandpa's cell phone useage looks like. So, who is Jessica talking to in the background of her 911 call?Foolsfeedonfollynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-50392539282575155482016-02-10T14:06:34.522-05:002016-02-10T14:06:34.522-05:00I am getting more and more hinky that Jessica is t...I am getting more and more hinky that Jessica is the one that caused the harm and/or forced the "cover-up". <br /><br />I would think the only reason you would cover up an accident like backing over him was because you were either drunk or high when you did it. If you called 911 right away, even if it took them an hour to get there, you would still be drunk or high. That's the only reason I can think of. Yes, all of the 911 calls would probably yield so much information!lyndahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00493739512074677263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-57913293335008936642016-02-09T20:23:55.356-05:002016-02-09T20:23:55.356-05:00The order of the 911 calls is:
2:22 - GGP
2:26 - ...The order of the 911 calls is:<br /><br />2:22 - GGP<br />2:26 - VDK<br />2:28 - Jessica<br /><br />It is significant that Klein ends his timeline at 2:26. VDK's call. I think we will discover that VDK is the principal suspect, hence the timeline ending with his call. Jessica is the one talking to police. Who knows? She may be doing so for immunity. I think we will also discover that the 8:00am start to the timeline, will be because of a phone call made by VDK at that time. The timeline will be "bookended" by calls made by VDK to present a neat package to the jury.<br /><br />The stop at the Silver Dollar on Thursday night, was ONLY IR and GGP, that is why Klein said it did not form part of the prosecutorial case. Since nobody can remember who cooked breakfast and who took a fishing pole to the creek, I think it is safe to assume that ONLY IR and GGP were at the campground, Thurs night and Friday morning.<br /> <br />I do not find it beyond the realms of possibility that VDK lied to JM about a kidnapping and convinced her to go along with his version of events, for little DeOrr's sake. I think it's possible she was duped by VDK and that the truth dawned slowly and painfully on her, in the days subsequent to Deorr's disappearance. Remember the way JM looked at VDK in the first interview, 3 days after little DeOrr disappeared? Suspicious, angry, and continually looking at Nate with that "Does this sound believable?" look. <br /><br />It is really weird that neither Klein, Penner, nor Bowerman will provide any information about who, aside from the POI, was the last person to see DeOrr. It doesn't make sense. Someone must have seen him. What about the 4th of July celebrations? (6 days before DeOrr went missing) That's usually a big deal,right? Any photos of him watching fireworks etc? How long has little Deorr really been missing?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-29407112740271150152016-02-09T15:49:48.304-05:002016-02-09T15:49:48.304-05:00DCM, the cover up happens because of what they wer...DCM, the cover up happens because of what they were doing when the accident happened. Deorr may have been alive, but they would only have minutes to hide what they were doing then call 911. If what they were doing was illegal and unable to be concealed that quickly, the child dies. Then the parents have to explain a death, and a gap in why it wasn't reported, and they are even more frightened. Since police usually don't arrive until you call them, some degenerates decide to hide the evidence of the illegal activity and the body, and blame the whole thing on a "boogeyman". They think they will be smarter than police and the general public. It's pathetic.Grace4Aylahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11886911586034967807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-64894500219845089042016-02-09T12:36:13.482-05:002016-02-09T12:36:13.482-05:00Anon @ 2:38,
Exactly! Great points, and you arti...Anon @ 2:38,<br /><br />Exactly! Great points, and you articulated the conundrum of the denial of "the gentleman and bawling baby" sighting perfectly.<br />The denial is so flawed and hinky I dont think the sighting should be discredited. They try to discredit the sighting yet it is very sensitive to them. They do not convincingly discredit the sighting. <br />Later I will watch the parent interview to try to pick up on anything from the language...<br />Natalienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-41799868134612976132016-02-09T10:46:47.777-05:002016-02-09T10:46:47.777-05:00Bowerman said that Jessica's 911 call stated t...Bowerman said that Jessica's 911 call stated that they're son was missing and he went missing about a hour ago. OK. That was at 2:36. Dad making his statement says they searched for about 20 min and then he jumps in the truck and makes his 911 call. So the baby, according to J disappeared at 1:35? An hour. The Dad says 20 min. Right there the lying started. <br /> <br /> So what if D had accidentally backed over his son he thought ggp had him and ggp (having short term memory loss) thought he was with dad. Maybe he had been moving the truck or maybe J and him were going for a little drive to check out the area. Whatever. Maybe they weren't walking at all. <br /> He said he's a mover and a goer. Yes children run after their parents. Accidents happen. Kids get behind cars. Usually in driveways, hard cement. The dirt floor probably wouldn't of mattered since he was so small. <br /> <br />Benjamin Thompson was 2 yrs old when his dad was backing out of the driveway. He checked the mirrors but didn't see the boy who darted out. In a split second he was gone. That's what the grandmother stated. September 10th 2012. 50 such accidents happen each week in the US. Most are children between 1-2 yrs old. <br /><br />But why the cover-up? DCMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-83631607639471464862016-02-09T05:47:12.993-05:002016-02-09T05:47:12.993-05:00To add to the 911 calls confusion:
ima.grandma s...To add to the 911 calls confusion:<br /><br /> ima.grandma said...<br />"It's been stated three 911 calls were made: 14:22 14:26 and 14:28" <br />I have also seen these times in many places.<br /><br />Klein Investigations and Consulting: "There were three calls made to 911. First, Vernal. Second, Jessica. Third, the grandfather". <br />This quote is from Feb 2 when PI Klein answered questions on Bella's Friends: Unidentified and Missing Children facebook page. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1688440941411392&id=1625921954329958&refid=52<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-80291798920134006502016-02-09T02:38:13.570-05:002016-02-09T02:38:13.570-05:00Natalie @ 1:00 p.m. -- Something that sticks with ...Natalie @ 1:00 p.m. -- Something that sticks with me about the 'filthy, bawling' story is that VDK claims that the gentleman cannot be him because HE was with S&R until just before 5 (IIRC). Aside from the weird rejection of a possible sighting of their missing son, he makes it about himself, rather than saying what he should have said: that it couldn't have been 'US' (i.e., him and DKJ or all three of them) because the boy had <i>already been missing for hours</i>. What does this mean? I know that Jessica claimed that the sighting was them from their earlier visit and that the witness must have been mistaken. VDK says they went into town 'as a family,' but in the denial of the black truck/bawling child incident, VDK also chooses not to say that Jessica was with them, even though the witness likely should have seen her, as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-48701993507387911802016-02-08T21:47:19.580-05:002016-02-08T21:47:19.580-05:00Grace,
Oh and absolutely, the ability of Justin t...Grace,<br /><br />Oh and absolutely, the ability of Justin to keep 3 others (I count Phoebe) quiet bears a real resemblance to Vernal's ability to keep his 3 quiet.<br /><br />Just uncanny.Natalienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-38424978441016212272016-02-08T21:44:26.198-05:002016-02-08T21:44:26.198-05:00I'm a grandma wrote
SB: "Basically, we’...I'm a grandma wrote<br /><br /><br />SB: "Basically, we’re just asking anybody that has firsthand knowledge of conversations that they either overheard or observed—some sort of dialogue between the parents and the infant that seemed unusual, please contact us with the information."<br /><br />Why the change of language from child to 'infant'?<br /><br />This is interesting to me, because I have mentally pictured them saying odd things to baby DeOrr like telling him he was going to go meet someone very nice, and lying to him about who he was meeting, etc before handing him off to another person.<br /><br />Things from their language that suggest this as a possibility:<br /><br />Jessica speaking of DeOrr's "nicknames" (Did they tell the other person his nicknames?)<br /><br />"Cowboy boots"....why was he wearing them? Did they tell him he was going to see a "cowboy"? <br /><br />Regardless, I feel they did something very strange to him and it has always been in my mind that they told him something odd to get him to do what they wanted.<br /><br />Change of language from child to "infant"...This could happen if the person speaking was picturing him being handed off to another person becoming the other person's "infant" if in fact he is suspecting some type of hand-off, underground "adoption".<br />Natalienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-90141381481137917902016-02-08T21:37:57.822-05:002016-02-08T21:37:57.822-05:00Grace,
I see a lot of Justin DiPietro in Vernal.....Grace,<br /><br />I see a lot of Justin DiPietro in Vernal...also I see elements of Mark Redwine...minus the poor me alcoholic routine. But Justin and Vernal both whitewash their language...making sure not to directly incriminate themselves...Mark is a complete liar but possibly from alcoholic brain damage, gets tripped up during his lies.Natalienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-49040437751220270232016-02-08T19:22:47.676-05:002016-02-08T19:22:47.676-05:00http://lemhicountyidaho.org/minutes/commin_07_27_2...http://lemhicountyidaho.org/minutes/commin_07_27_2015.doc<br /> I N THE MATTER OF TITLE III FUNDS<br />The Board received a request for reimbursement to the Leadore EMT’s to replace a medical bag that was stolen during a Search and Rescue Operation. The Clerk was instructed to publish the request and comments will be accepted until September 28, 2015.<br /><br />http://lemhicountyidaho.org/minutes/commin_09_28_2015.doc<br />I N THE MATTER OF TITLE III FUNDS<br /> The Board reviewed the request submitted by the Leadore EMT’s to be reimbursed $450.00 to replace a medical bag stole during a Search and Rescue Operation and noted for the record that no comments were received pursuant to the publication of the Notice of Intent for Expenditure of Title III monies. Ken Miner moved and Rick Snyder seconded to approve the request.<br /><br />http://lemhicountyidaho.org/minutes/commin_10_26_2015.pdf<br />IN THE MATTER OF TITLE III FUNDS<br /> The Board reviewed the request submitted by the Salmon Search and Rescue for reimbursement of $14,800.00 for man hours spent during a Search Operation and noted for the record that no comments were received pursuant to the publication of the Notice of Intent for Expenditure of Title III monies. Ken Miner moved and John Jacovac seconded to approve the request.<br /><br /><br />http://www.fs.usda.gov/main/pts/countyfunds<br /><br />Title III funds may be used only to be used to: reimburse a participating county for search and rescue and other emergency services paid for by the county and performed on national forests after the date on which the use was approved as required in the Act, <br /><br />Note: There are two other uses for Title III funding as listed but aren't applicable here.<br /><br />Feds trump when charges are filed. ima.grandmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09319771909287767461noreply@blogger.com