tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post4187590030613510337..comments2024-03-18T04:20:15.987-04:00Comments on Statement Analysis ®: DeOrr: Analyzing Possibilities from the Language Statement Analysis Bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13607372649929274491noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-69302414325420868352015-08-20T03:34:48.114-04:002015-08-20T03:34:48.114-04:00How long was the family at the camp ground before ...How long was the family at the camp ground before they noticed he was missing. Days, hours, to the minute. What time did they arrive? Am or pm. What was everyone doing before the child was to take that daily nap with that blanket he CANNOT be with out. Cranky tired two year old would want that blanket. Who laid him down and where? and why a nap with his boots on. We all know children shoes off asap. And where was his blanket found at after the child so called disappears? Everything revolves around his nap...a nap I feel he never woke up from.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-65567752326680341122015-08-18T17:23:19.918-04:002015-08-18T17:23:19.918-04:00Oh my...the sheriff has spoken on Deorr Jr. update...Oh my...the sheriff has spoken on Deorr Jr. update. The interview they released was 4 odd min. long which I gave the link above too. The UNCUT is over 11 minutes and you can find here...<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV-h82eVQ1M&list=PLHxHvR1OFyNDkpZrKmKgKJCsujxaoOlUU<br /><br />I might have to do a transcript...yikeslyndahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00493739512074677263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-43369748578881253192015-08-18T14:07:58.372-04:002015-08-18T14:07:58.372-04:00The Sheriff in Deorr's case has given an inter...The Sheriff in Deorr's case has given an interview...interesting...what does everyone think? Peter?<br /><br />http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/08/lemhi-sheriff-opens-up-about-deorr-kunz-case/lyndahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00493739512074677263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-2536714672759504872015-08-15T10:42:05.116-04:002015-08-15T10:42:05.116-04:00Juliet, Deorr Sr indicates he got into his truck A...Juliet, Deorr Sr indicates he got into his truck AFTER they searched "up and down the creek and around the camp" for about 20 minutes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-71589143883229087492015-08-15T10:37:55.828-04:002015-08-15T10:37:55.828-04:00Snake River runs through Idaho Falls -- the town t...Snake River runs through Idaho Falls -- the town the parents live in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-800557389025007872015-08-15T07:31:03.476-04:002015-08-15T07:31:03.476-04:00I think Frank Vilt knows DeOrr Jr was not kidnappe...I think Frank Vilt knows DeOrr Jr was not kidnapped and the parents know what happened. Vilt moved from California to Idaho in 2011. He is apparently trying to make a name for himself as a conservative "pundit". He ran for the Idaho House of Representatives in 2012 (lost) and is currently writing a book about his years as a Deputy US Marshal. He writes a blog and is a guest on local talk radio. A recent segment was titled "President Obama Can’t Pass a Background Check". On his website bio, he says he was seriously injured on the job and retired on disability. (http://frankvilt.com/about/) However, in <i>United States Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit. Daniel Lee LEWIS, Petitioner-Appellant, v. D.A. MAYLE, Respondent-Appellee. No. 03-16152. Decided: November 29, 2004,</i> the last paragraph reveals that Vilt was removed from his position of deputy U.S. marshal on charges of issuing bad checks, failure to pay debts, and inattentiveness to duty (http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1059628.html)<br /><br />I'm not sure what Vilt intends to gain by tying his wagon to a case in which his clients will eventually be found guilty of involvement in the disappearance of their son (my opinion). It's clear to me that he is using this tragedy to raise his own profile. After listening to the PI's interview, I thought maybe he and DeOrr Sr met at the Montpelier Toastmaster's Club. The two of them provided masterful demonstrations of talking without saying anything. They both must be unfamiliar with statement analysis and how it can be used to decipher meaning from apparent gibberish. <br /><br />Neither DeOrr Sr or Vilt deliberately provided any verifiable facts in their interviews. Vilt says everything points to abduction, but then doesn't list a single example. Deorr Sr practically tells us he killed his son by picking off, one by one, every possibility besides foul play on his part. Drowning? 100% not. Animal attack? Nope. Still on the mountain? Definitely no. Seen at the Stage Stop with a kidnapper, four hours after he disappeared? No way!<br /><br />The parents' focus on social media rumors is another neon sign to me. It would be painful to have strangers suspecting you of hurting your child, but if he has truly been kidnapped, the opinions of strangers would not take up large parts of your and your agent's (PI) interviews. Who would let someone's criticism of a child's camo jacket keep him/her from doing everything possible to get that child's face and name on every television screen in America? Their refusal to talk to main stream media because their words might get "twisted" is bizarre.<br /><br />Forgive my long rant. I've been following this case since the beginning. When I heard the parents' interview, all kinds of alarms went off in my head. It wasn't until I started reading about statement analysis that I understood the logic behind my gut instinct. <br /><br />I really enjoy this blog and all the comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-52131168441287999702015-08-14T22:27:00.117-04:002015-08-14T22:27:00.117-04:00Maybe this was on DKSr's mind when he said &qu...Maybe this was on DKSr's mind when he said "Snake River"<br /><br />http://www.ktvb.com/story/news/local/regional/2015/05/02/toddler-drowns-snake-river/26791413/<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-602670916124496742015-08-14T21:22:57.413-04:002015-08-14T21:22:57.413-04:00Peter, Jessica says: "......keeping ME togeth...Peter, Jessica says: "......keeping ME together" not keeping US together. <br /><br />Can anyone help analyse the following? Why, in the microsecond that he has to choose a word from his internal subjective directory, does DK Snr. seem compelled to say "snake river" twice?<br /><br />DK Snr.: " I've tried...I'm going to be getting with the Lehmi County Sheriff-Snake River, er sorry, the Salmon -snake and river - (frustrated sigh) Salmon Search and Rescue"<br /><br />On another site, someone said it wasn't strange because the name "Snake River" features in the name of lots of businesses in the area, but I googled Salmon and Snake River... And there is virtually nothing that contains Salmon and Snake river, together. There is a Snake River SAR but they were not involved in the search for baby DeOrr. I also note the word "sorry" in the sentence.<br /><br />To John, the "blonde hair" case you are referring to might be Patsy Ramsey's 911 call.<br /> 911" how old is your daughter"? <br />PR: 6 years old. she's blonde...6 years old.<br />Alinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-1519540111086614942015-08-14T19:12:19.710-04:002015-08-14T19:12:19.710-04:00Anon at 1.57 - interesting DeOrr said 'the PI&...Anon at 1.57 - interesting DeOrr said 'the PI' rather than 'our PI'. Maybe DeOrr and Jessica didn't hire him, maybe it was one of the grandparents, or he has offered his services pro bono.Julietnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-7921257551317311152015-08-14T18:40:02.819-04:002015-08-14T18:40:02.819-04:00The whole thing stinks.
The child missing.
The par...The whole thing stinks.<br />The child missing.<br />The parents story.<br />The RSO up there with the family....the RSO's appearance.<br />The manner in which the disappearance has been investigated....as far as we the general public can see. <br />The parents look and sound like major drug addicts to me.<br />The whole thing really stinks !<br />Poor little boy .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-1575867312482070242015-08-14T16:48:10.349-04:002015-08-14T16:48:10.349-04:00Oh, I meant I am so level three, not that Tania i...Oh, I meant I am so level three, not that Tania is so level three, though I see now that it could read either way. That would be a very unfortunate misunderstanding to create, and that's the sort of thing I mean - putting things clumsily and thereby potentially creating misunderstanding by being misread, because it's not what is intended, or what one is trying to convey, but it might seem that way. Obviously, my kids would be saying that to me, not Tania, so hopefully that also made it specific to me in the reader's mind. Meh. Well, that's enough of me now. I might have started getting somewhere with the heart of hearts grieving problem, but I still need to think about it some more. Julietnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-15740223518237950922015-08-14T16:01:23.545-04:002015-08-14T16:01:23.545-04:00Anon at 2.01 - a lot of people have said the same ...Anon at 2.01 - a lot of people have said the same about Madeleine's abduction, too. Can't they think of anything new, or even just more likely? :)<br /><br /><br />--<br /><br />I just got boats, also not in my vocabulary., Blogger's getting paranoid -who knew computers could think? It's trying to convince me it's not a robot, lols. :-DJulietnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-13809452321947598242015-08-14T15:35:17.370-04:002015-08-14T15:35:17.370-04:00Sus- Blogger sets it up, I think maybe there's...Sus- Blogger sets it up, I think maybe there's some algorithm which links the images to words you've used a few times, or photos you've viewed on Blogger blogs a few times. I get trucks, candy, cakes, mountains, trees, eggs, baby carriages, bicycles and tricycles. Also, steak, which is not even in my vocabulary- they do that in order to make me think I'm paranoid and that really, they don't use algorithms. :) Julietnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-51078499808289214532015-08-14T15:21:50.373-04:002015-08-14T15:21:50.373-04:00Anon - at 2.24 - Quite. . :)Anon - at 2.24 - Quite. . :)Julietnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-10404560030364428092015-08-14T15:19:03.419-04:002015-08-14T15:19:03.419-04:00Anon at 1,27 - have you listened to the interview?...Anon at 1,27 - have you listened to the interview? If not, it might help. They went off exploring, DeOrr was tired and wanted his nap, his father apparently watched him go back towards the campsite, where the grandpa, who must be good at telepathy, was meant to be looking after him. DeOrr saw some minnows and decided to fetch DeOrr down to the creek so he could see them, even though presumably he should have been fast asleep by that time, or if not, too tired and grumpy to need to be shown minnows right then. DeOrr asked grandpa where little DeOrr was, and grandpa went into shock, as he didn't know he was meant to be watching him, though he also saw him playing in the dirt, whilst believing he was with his parents. Jessica and DeOrr searched the creek, DeOrr then drove round for some time searching the area, then he and Jessica decided to call search and rescue to scour the area, because they were sure he had been abducted and taken out of the area. Makes sense, not. We don't know where they were when they discussed making the call, or if Jessica went in the truck to search, and if DeOrr then took her back to the camp to make her call, or if he called her and they discussed calling 911 while he was still out searching. Jessica appears to have made her call to 911 from the campsite, and DeOrr makes it sound as if he was at the campsite when he decided to jump in his truck and go hauling, but it's quite possible DeOrr just stayed in his truck, called Jessica from his truck, and then called 911 before he returned to the campsite. That might explain some of his angst round being in the truck - he may have gone hauling a good while earlier, and they may have decided to try to synchronise their calls to be made when he was quite near the campsite, with the excuse about not wanting to risk not getting service, explaining his being in the truck. He maybe didn't want to risk mistiming his call and encountering LE while he was still too far from the campsite to be able to explain the distance. He didn't need to go down the road to make the call, and little DeOrr would not have been able to cover much distance, so there would be no reason to be searching in his truck too far from the campsite, possibly even at all, at that stage. It's possible DeOrr's call was an attempt to create an alibi for his having been in the truck. Maybe someone saw him in the truck, so he created a reason to have been in it - there was, after all, no need to make two calls. He spends some time justifying and explaining why he was in the truck -really we don't need to know all that, but it's important to him, because he is worried someone will question why he was in the truck - when there was no reason for him to be in it.Julietnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-61355848685715308882015-08-14T14:24:32.690-04:002015-08-14T14:24:32.690-04:00"Grief, the sense of suffering that accompani..."Grief, the sense of suffering that accompanies loss, is a common part of mortality as we lose loved ones or experience other tragedies."<br />https://www.lds.org/topics/grief?lang=eng<br /><br />"A foolish son is a grief to his father, and bitterness to her that bare him."<br /> Proverbs 17:25<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-22206210879825186722015-08-14T14:09:09.329-04:002015-08-14T14:09:09.329-04:00Also, and forgive my persistence on this one:
If ...Also, and forgive my persistence on this one:<br /><br />If they are not grieving parents, what does that mean? I am stumped and can't get my head around it. Tania was very specific as to her definition of grieving - one only grieves for the dead. I think she has made a good analysis, overall (but I don't know enough SA to be sure, as I only go from what I pick up here, and my own understanding, experience and instincts. 'You're SO level three..' as my kids would say, alluding to the World of Warcraft games, where the levels go into the hundreds, maybe even thousands by now. Even that might be too generous, and I should listen more and say less) - still, I found a lot of it good, and all of it interesting, but take issue with the narrow definition of grieving, it's too perfunctory an application. It may be the most common use and understanding but grieving is not exclusive to death. One can also grieve for the living, as in when a healthy person is brain-injured in an accident, or develops Alzheimer's - there is grieving there, for the loss of the person as he or she used to be: a person might grieve over the end of a long friendship; at children or grandchildren moving to the other side of the world, especially if they lack the financial means to visit; those are very real losses, and a form of bereavement, though the person being grieved for is not dead - in one way or another, they are still gone, someone is missing, even though they might be present, or if not present, still very much alive, but no longer present in the life of the person who is affected. How much, then, would DeOrr's parents grieve for one of such tender years, so helpless, not knowing where he is, if he is dead or alive, or nightmare of all nightmares, if some insane person has him, if he's being kept as a plaything, hidden away in a basement or shut up in a cage somewhere? I cannot begin to imagine, but also I can, as any parent probably can, and so I don't understand how they could not be grieving, and would argue that must be the case, they must be almost besides themselves with grief, whether they know what has happened or not - they will still be grieving, either over his death or over his unknown fate, because they LOVE their son. How can that be wrong, how can they not be grieving?<br /><br />I can only think of one circumstance in which they would not be grieving, and that would be because they knew DeOrr was alive and well, and that they would see him again soon, and so had no reason to grieve. I don't see anything to indicate that could be the case, and so I remain confused by the possibility of them not grieving. Could it be that the PI is clumsy in the way he expresses himself, and didn't quite mean to say what he did, or is there no room for debate on what he said? I sometimes say something which wasn't quite how I meant to put it, or not what I actually meant, where one misplaced or 'wrong' word can make quite a difference - doesn't everyone, at least sometimes? I correct myself straight away, or if someone else is talking, as soon as politely possible, by saying something like 'that was the wrong word, it's not what I meant, or not quite what I meant', so as not to leave what I said open to misunderstanding. He didn't do that though - but being interviewed isn't like normal conversation, there's pressure time wise, it's physically uncomfortable, the interviewer is most likely a stranger, and there's an audience - add to that the likely knowledge that your every word will be analysed- well, I don't know. Help, anyone? Maybe I've just been kidding myself all these years, and I really only ever mean the first thing I say, even when I'm sure I don't, and the same goes for everyone else - how grim is that? Can we really be quite so self-deceiving, and so divided against ourselves? But, to end where this began, my question is - if they are not grieving, what does it mean? I am SO stumped by this.Julietnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-19661784741992952372015-08-14T14:01:33.326-04:002015-08-14T14:01:33.326-04:00Juliet - Some theorists have posited that it was a...Juliet - Some theorists have posited that it was a staged abduction for the sole purpose of getting money, the child would then be safely returned, but that something went horribly wrong during the process. If so, then "everything points to an abduction" could still be technically true in Vilt's mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-75175160875893668482015-08-14T13:57:51.670-04:002015-08-14T13:57:51.670-04:00He was in present tense when describing it.He was in present tense when describing it.Buckleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04087082956705159705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-60841019751391765042015-08-14T13:57:11.846-04:002015-08-14T13:57:11.846-04:00Someone on another site posted that Little Deorr&#...Someone on another site posted that Little Deorr's Dad did some body work on the PI's car, and that they were more acquaintances than friends. <br /><br />The press implies that Mr. Vilt recently joined the case, but earlier utterances from Dad have mentioned "the P.I." and one article referenced that he had been on the case for several weeks. I wonder if Mr. Vilt, upon hearing of the disappearance, might have said "Oh yeah, that's the guy who fixed my car. I'll call him and see if I can help."<br /><br />Or course, "former family friend" could just be bad editing, as previous articles have said (paraphrased) "former US. Marshall and family friend." It could have just as easily meant "Family friend and former U.S. Marshall."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-53010791133116087792015-08-14T13:41:43.651-04:002015-08-14T13:41:43.651-04:00The PI said he knew DeOrr from his time in Monpeli...The PI said he knew DeOrr from his time in Monpelier, and on his Facebook deOrr's info gives him as being from Montpelier, so it's quite likely the families were friends or good neighbours years ago but fell out of contact when DeOrr's family moved to Idaho Falls, 'Former' need not mean there was a falling out, just that they maybe weren't so close, more casual, or just too busy to keep up contact from a distance. The likelihood is PI was friends with older family members, and knew DeOrr more as a son of the family rather than a personal friend. 'Former' would be more apt than 'old' if that were the case as 'old friends' gives an impression of a continuing longstanding friendship. He could just have said that he used to know the family if there had not been an actual friendship with one of them - so I should think that for a time he was a friend of at least one of DeOrr's parents or grandparents. Maybe that is all he said, that he used to know them, not that they were also friends - I'll listen again.<br /><br />So true, Peter, some of us are quite jaded. I was not willing to give him much of a chance, and still can't make head nor tails of where he is coming from, but I do know that I would not be too happy with him if I were one of the parents, and not happy at all if I were genuinely at a loss as to what had happened to little DeOrr. So that in itself should have given me pause for thought, but it didn't because I had already decided he was basically the PR guy, that he hadn't ever investigated an actual missing in the wilderness child, was new to the PI role, and also hadn't been on the most helpful course. He did track down his own missing children to Mexico, but he knew they were with their mother. He also said he 'mostly' had been involved in cases of child-custody disputes, so I should imagine that's the extent of it, and that he has no particular expertise in cases like DeOrr's. So, that made me cynical, as if I was hiring a PI, I would want one who could say that he had helped resolve similar cases, or at least one, not child-custody cases, which are quite different. I didn't stop to think that maybe he wasn't hired by Jessica and DeOrr, or that he may be an appropriate person for the job because there may be unknown paternity issues relating to the child. What of the outside possibility that someone who thinks he's the dad, or even just that he should be the dad, has taken the child? Too outlandish, but if I am not to be too cynical of his purpose, and if to him, everything points to abduction, could anything point to that possibility? DeOrr stresses his fatherhood several times, but that's about it. Why though, and if he's not there for any purpose other than to try to uncover the truth, does the PI say, that everything points to an abduction, when everything so far points more towards the cover-up of the child's death? It's so strange that he should say or think that.Julietnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-83217340135979414002015-08-14T13:27:51.943-04:002015-08-14T13:27:51.943-04:00They came back from exploring because Dad saw a li...They came back from exploring because Dad saw a little minnow he thought child might like. Hard to see that from a truck.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-3821311698637912672015-08-14T13:25:54.210-04:002015-08-14T13:25:54.210-04:00Picture of Little Deorr with camo jacket and Match...Picture of Little Deorr with camo jacket and Matchbox cars(?). Ironic T Shirt. No indication of when or where taken. <br /><br />https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=726371407475059&set=p.726371407475059&type=1&theaterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-73332652715340487042015-08-14T13:24:17.265-04:002015-08-14T13:24:17.265-04:0050 yards and ten mins.
He says, he came up to you,...50 yards and ten mins.<br />He says, he came up to you, because it's such a small area<br /><br />If they were driving to explore, why would they be only 50 yards away and why would grandpa "send him up to them" or allow him to wander in the direction the truck drove off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-20921318219086043552015-08-14T13:21:59.628-04:002015-08-14T13:21:59.628-04:00: they could've come in and you could never kn...: they could've come in and you could never know it. The water was not very, it was not a fast running creek, but it is quite loud moving through the logs and things like that, so hearing range is not all that far either..so's you couldn't hear anyone coming up either.<br />Interviewer: so he was just kind of playing, you guys were doing your thing and then you noticed...<br /> <br /><br />D: he was playing with grandpa<br /> <br /><br />J: he, yeah, he was with my grandfather<br /> <br /><br />D:.he was over, he was getting ready for a nap, uh say it was almost, by that time it was almost two, and he usually takes his nap, um...we was just, yeah, we decided we were going to go a little exploring, and he was going to be good with grandpa by the campfire, we weren't more than fifty..<br /> <br /><br />J: ten minutes<br /> <br /><br />D: fifty yards away and ten minutes, but for time, we, I, seen him to the point I figured out he was gone and I come back up to the creek and I actually seen, there were some things down by there, some little minnows that I thought he would just love, so when I come back up to get him and I yelled over to grandpa, um, where, you know, where is little DeOrr? He, immediately shock. He says, he came up to you, because it's such a small area. That's what a lot of people, they don't understand, they just assume how could you let your child out of your sight? This area is pretty well blocked in and you can see, you, there is no way you couldn't not see him, in what we thought, and just a split second your whole world is upside down and - vanished, there's not a trace found. That's the reason why they, this been called on the news a suspension, because it is not a suspension, but there's not s single trace of him. This child loses stuff. He's two, almost three, anybody who has a child that age range knows, they leave trails, they lose stuff..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com