tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post5154997977832111492..comments2024-03-18T04:20:15.987-04:00Comments on Statement Analysis ®: Dealing With Our Own Bias in Analysis Statement Analysis Bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13607372649929274491noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-59502369157393673762016-04-15T21:53:29.125-04:002016-04-15T21:53:29.125-04:00That' s great, but nothing will bring her son ...That' s great, but nothing will bring her son back. I just hope people will stop viewing it as a "mental illness"...there is no mental illness that compels an individual to torture children...nevermind the degree of calculation that these perpetrators put into it. These individuals are literally the scum of the earth...they live wasted lives bringing others nothing but misery. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-56542868012196105762016-04-12T20:22:33.833-04:002016-04-12T20:22:33.833-04:00Anon at 3:28, Lacey Spears ("salt mom") ...Anon at 3:28, Lacey Spears ("salt mom") was already sentenced. She got 20 years to life.Bad Jujuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10612850675637098149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-62826637592006241592016-04-12T15:28:35.964-04:002016-04-12T15:28:35.964-04:00I should mention I was actually "raised"...I should mention I was actually "raised" by an animal who calls herself a "mother" who has severe MSBP. I can assure you these individuals are the lowest form of life and expect their unlucky offspring to be good little torture victims. I can tell you from experience they are sadists, they are highly skilled liars, they feel no guilt even regarding leaving permanent physical injury on their victims. Reading, music, and escaping the house as much as possible is what saved me psychologically. These individuals do not deserve sympathy unless we want to start giving serial killers sympathy as MSBP "Moms" are worse than serial killers as they attack their own offspring, torture them for as long as they can get away with, and do not ever admit to what they have done even when caught red-headed. They should be locked away from society because they are incalcuably dangerous individuals who have absolutely no chance of being rehabilitated. Watch the salt mother get a slap on the wrist (probably 2-3 years in prison and "therapy"). These individuals are pure evil, absolute sickos, and will just seek another victim the first chance they get. There is no difference between them and other monsters we see committing crimes except for the fact they are worse and feel entitled to commit their crimes. Some individuals who have committed horrible crimes will admit they are "mean" or show type of introspection recognizing they have at least violated society's norms. MSBP "Moms" are not capable of even primitive introspection. VERY SCARY.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-51160702129404303082016-04-11T23:02:05.883-04:002016-04-11T23:02:05.883-04:00Also, in the literature on MSBP, some researchers ...Also, in the literature on MSBP, some researchers believe one element of the MSBP Mom's psyche is "paranoid projection" onto the victimized child which I also do believe to be true. Kind of like how someone on here pointed out that the habitual liar believes everyone to be a liar, MSBP victimizers project their own evil onto the child, believing the child to be "evil", and they use this highly pathological belief about the child to justify their attacks on the child. I believe these MSBP Mom's also believe that other people in general are as evil as they are also, although they believe themselves to be more "clever" than other people.<br />These individual are very sick in the head. In fact, the salt mother probably believes that her child was "evil" for dying, for not withstanding her salt torture. In other words, the child did something wrong when he died from her poisoning him, not her, she did nothing wrong, she didn't kill him. All I can say is, these types should not be allowed anywhere around children or animals, and they cannot be rehabilitated. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-69651819052250102282016-04-11T22:42:35.637-04:002016-04-11T22:42:35.637-04:00Tania, spot on with your SA of the MSBP Mom. Ever...Tania, spot on with your SA of the MSBP Mom. Everything you said hit the nail right on the head.<br />You are correct, she felt he should be able to withstand what she was doing to him. And if his body gave out, or doctor failed to save him, it wasn't her fault.<br /><br />You asked<br /><br />I wonder what causes Münchhausen by proxy?<br />Is it a fault somewhere in the genes?<br />is it something from the way the person was raised?<br />Is it the result of something happening to them or a loved one?<br /><br />There are different degrees of MSBP (none of them good) however, once we're looking at the level of the salt poisoning mother, you are dealing with a narcissistic psychopath. <br />The salt poisoning mother does not have a conscience. She is aware she is lying and is delighting in the lie. She may also be a sadist. She is also highly narcissistic/borderline where, as you pointed out, she will feel inconsequential without the sick child.<br /><br />My personal belief is that the perpetrators in these more severe cases do not differ much from serial killers. Not all psychopaths are viciously violent. Not all narcissists need a sick child to feel "important". You're looking at a weave of serious psychological problems/personality disorders, and the MSBP Mom resembles the serial killer in that they are victimizing/humiliating a helpless individual to try to gain some type of feeling of "dominance". These individuals are in touch with reality and know true from false, but as you aptly pointed out, they feel justified in a very immature type of way, in "bending" reality to suit them. If someone suspected the salt mother of giving her son salt, I bet she would have said "they're just saying that because they don't like me". These are people are extremely sick in the head. Oftentimes they may have had a parent with MSBP but I think ultimately, it is the desire to inflict pain/injury onto a helpless individual gives them a "fleeting" feeling of dominance and mastery (very similar to a serial killer). IN other words, they are not merely imitating a behavior they learned in their environment, they are driven by very sick urges and lack a conscience, therefore you have the "perfect storm".<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-29466600099093920442016-04-11T19:08:10.004-04:002016-04-11T19:08:10.004-04:00Tania, or maybe baking soda as opposed to salt.
I...Tania, or maybe baking soda as opposed to salt.<br /><br />I have been told that those with Munchhausen's may move on to animals when they no longer have a child to use- some become involved with animal rescue but use the mute animals as they did their child, to project a saintly savior image and get attention. <br /><br />I believe so many of these things begin with a lack of nurturing and love in infancy and childhood. :-(Lisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-2866597503380764102016-04-11T19:00:29.627-04:002016-04-11T19:00:29.627-04:00Very interesting, Peter. Objectivity is such a hug...Very interesting, Peter. Objectivity is such a huge part of truth. It is so common for people to read into others their own thoughts or values and never know how wrong they are.<br /><br />It is so much easier to get into a situation such as the Swedes have with the Roma than to get out of it!Lisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-46420322646130325572016-04-11T00:20:50.142-04:002016-04-11T00:20:50.142-04:00Hi Juliet, try this link. It's a shortcut to a...Hi Juliet, try this link. It's a shortcut to at least four tests. Click one of the blue links at the bottom. I had a little difficulty at first on the original site but once I got in, it detected I was on a tablet device and all fell into place after that.<br /><br />https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/user/agg/blindspot/tablet.htm<br /><br />I'll check out your site tomorrow after the gkids are off for school. It looks promising and positive. Thanks. I hope all is well with you. :)ima.grandmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09319771909287767461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-88025634447847788982016-04-11T00:04:42.816-04:002016-04-11T00:04:42.816-04:00Ima.grandma - there's an 'Overcoming Bias&...Ima.grandma - there's an 'Overcoming Bias' - lesswrongwiki - with lots of interesting stuff on it, too - I discovered it this evening but haven't explored it enough to know if it is worth recommending yet. I can't load the demo quiz on the site you have linked - hoping it will work for me tomorrow.Hey Judehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05118508358051764200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-22057332567329738192016-04-10T22:30:44.192-04:002016-04-10T22:30:44.192-04:00The last few weeks, I've attempted to inventor...The last few weeks, I've attempted to inventory some of my values and experiences by creating a personal bias statement. I thought the exercise would help me recognize that life is filled with diverse multiple values. In trying to understand and respect the values and interest of others in light of my own values, hopefully I will become a more compassionate and effective teacher of life to my grandchildren. I've discovered the goal isn't to remove and overcome all bias. It's to become motivated and disciplined in favor of the truth.<br /><br /><br />http://www.projectimplicit.net/index.html<br /><br />snip: Project Implicit is a non-profit organization and international collaborative network of researchers investigating implicit social cognition - thoughts and feelings outside of conscious awareness and control. Project Implicit is the product of a team of scientists whose research produced new ways of understanding attitudes, stereotypes and other hidden biases that influence perception, judgment, and action.<br /><br />I highly recommend this site. I've taken most of the assessment and was surprised by the feedback on a few. It's free, interesting, simple and fun while learning about yourself. Click the participate button. I've listed some of the categories.<br /><br />Disability 'Disabled - Abled' <br />Native American 'Native - White American' <br />Race 'Black - White' <br />Gender - Career<br />Sexuality 'Gay - Straight'<br />Religion <br />'Weapons - Harmless Objects' <br />'Asian - European American' <br />Skin-tone 'Light Skin - Dark Skin' <br />'Arab Muslim - Other People' <br />Gender - Science<br />'Presidential Popularity' <br />Weight 'Fat - Thin' <br />Age 'Young - Old' ima.grandmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09319771909287767461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-86971900105031278702016-04-10T21:09:10.976-04:002016-04-10T21:09:10.976-04:00Fascism argues a fearful logic without thought, an...Fascism argues a fearful logic without thought, an unthinking logic.<br /><br />Historical pride and hatred masquerades as a reason to avenge; as pride is useless without violence. It is a logic that enables perpetrators to play victim. It’s logically inconsistent.<br /><br />Last month I read about a man (no doubt his proudest patriotic moment) who boasted he enjoyed hitting a protester because he was “not acting like an American”. I've seen this conflict played out before with Vietnam - "love it or leave it" - Many so called "patriots" used this sentiment as an excuse for their internal hatreds and intolerances toward certain races, creeds and classes.<br /><br />Fascist politics is easily recognized by its deliberate perversion of truth and assault on fact. Its method is to poison the channels of public information, blur "political correctnes" and terrorize political speech. The problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving more money or more power with the promise of paradise.<br /><br />To be a politician with integrity means having to say things people don't want to hear. It takes more than knowledge to be an effective leader. It takes moral courage to speak truth. Since moral courage is in shorter supply than logic, we're in trouble.ima.grandmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09319771909287767461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-55459614466839020112016-04-10T20:39:11.534-04:002016-04-10T20:39:11.534-04:00Peter,
I enjoyed your piece on "bias". I...Peter,<br />I enjoyed your piece on "bias". I found it very thought provoking, it makes me look at everything in a slightly different light. Especially reflecting on my own biases. Looking at fact, opinion and bias opens up entire avenues of inquiry. Knowing that we all have our own unique set of biases that are with us all the time, consciously or not, can influence many aspect of our lives - where we decide to live, the friends we make, the jobs we take. Our biases are integral parts of our personalities. There are so many variables to consider when you start to think of bias. As you mentioned in the article is a bias "trauma" related or formed from cultural or work experiences. It makes me wonder how many people are aware of their biases and how they affect different situations? Do people view "bias" as a negative, positive or neutral aspect? Bias has levels of complexity involved that should be part of our general education and in some professions, like yours, should be required continuing education and peer review. <br /><br />You talked about several statements on sexual assault that you keep handy for dealing with bias in your profession. What other exercises or examples would you recommend for hobbyists or students who don't have the experience you have to keep bias in check?<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17717680313205376508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-80794125058014360402016-04-10T13:42:41.353-04:002016-04-10T13:42:41.353-04:00Who would have guess, going back only 7 or 8 years...Who would have guess, going back only 7 or 8 years, that today, politicians would be shouted down and unable to be heard due to violence and the threat of violence, rather than being heard. <br /><br />Anyone over a certain age would immediately think of Fascism as for barbaric and belligerent nations; not for us. <br /><br />Statement Analysis Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13607372649929274491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-87088564696732955162016-04-10T04:54:41.999-04:002016-04-10T04:54:41.999-04:00OT:
UWPD: 3 attackers hold down woman, sexually a...OT:<br /><br /><b>UWPD: <i>3</i> attackers hold down woman, sexually assault her near Memorial Union</b><br /><br />MADISON, Wis. -<br />Campus police are investigating a sexual assault reported on campus Friday night, according to a news release.<br /><br />University of Wisconsin-Madison police said a first-degree sexual assault was reported near the Memorial Union late Friday. The victim told police that sometime between 10 p.m. and 10:40 p.m., <b>three</b> unknown men held her down against her will with a knife and sexually assaulted her.<br /><br />The victim was unable to provide a detailed description of the suspects, according to the report.<br /><br />UWPD is investigating the assault and asked anyone with information related to the incident to contact the department at 608-264-2677<br /><br />http://www.channel3000.com/news/UWPD-3-attackers-hold-down-woman-sexually-assault-her-near-Memorial-Union/38947526John Mc Gowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430624388902099338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-29400020264590608092016-04-09T20:23:43.674-04:002016-04-09T20:23:43.674-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Hey Judehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05118508358051764200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-86278305815613270922016-04-09T19:43:07.755-04:002016-04-09T19:43:07.755-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Hey Judehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05118508358051764200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-76279036391052388952016-04-09T19:24:25.900-04:002016-04-09T19:24:25.900-04:00"I didn't kill my son" "I never...<b>"I didn't kill my son" "I never poisoned him with salt"</b><br /><br />I agree John.<br /><br /><b>"I didn't kill my son"</b><br />She was a sufferer of Münchhausen by proxy.<br />To her way of thinking, she did not kill her son.<br />He died because he could not survive the ongoing damage she was putting him through.<br />He died because the medical staff could not or did not save him.<br />In her mind killing him would be the antithesis of everything she wanted.<br />She needed attention.<br />She needed sympathy.<br />With him alive she was getting what she wanted.<br />Without him being so sick, she would be nothing, she would be inconsequential.<br />Her whole life, her entire being was reliant on him being severely sick.<br />She got sympathy from readers of her blog, maybe even donations and freebies.<br />Killing him was never her intention.<br />With Münchhausen, they never intend to kill their child, they just want them sick enough to keep needing treatments and for the mom to get the emotional fix she desires.<br />She didn't set out to kill her son, she didn't deliberately do an action that would kill him.<br />She didn't kill him.<br />He died due to other reasons.<br />If you were to point out her actions killed him, she would deny it.<br />To her, killing is a deliberate act, a deed done with malice aforethought.<br />It is something premeditated.<br />His death was not part of her plan, it was not even a consideration, a possibility.<br />Each and every time, he survived, he pulled through, he recovered to some degree.<br />This time it was to have been no different.<br />In her mind, her way of thinking, he died to get back at her, to get her into trouble.<br />If he had been complaining about all the days and weeks in hospital, all the procedures, he was ungrateful, people were starting to ask awkward questions as to why things weren't being found and what was found should never have been there, she would blame him, anyone except herself.<br />She was doing everything for him, she should be appreciated for being such a good mom, saintly even.<br /><br /><b>"I never poisoned him with salt"</b><br />Never does not mean did not<br />As you point out, did she poison him with something else at some point?<br />Maybe to her a poison is something toxic like cyanide, strychnine, arsenic, maybe even drugs such as heroin or cocaine, even things like bleach, antifreeze.<br />Those are well known poisons.<br />Salt is a food, a flavor enhancer, a seasoning, a condiment.<br />Salt isn't a poison.<br />She would never have poisoned him with a known poison.<br />Her intent was not to poison him to death, perhaps not even to poison him at all.<br />Her intent was to make him feel sick, perhaps to exacerbate some other minor health issue.<br />When you want to make someone sick you make them drink a salty solution.<br />What is her definition of salt?<br />Table salt, saline, rock salt, a chemical salt even.<br /><br />I wonder if at some point she will try to harm herself to get the attention and sympathy that drives her.<br />She may not have access to anyone else so her only recourse is to do it to herself.<br /><br />My concern is that given the chance and time, she would be in thrall to her psychosis and a danger to herself and to others.<br /><br />I don't think it is curable, it can at best be controlled by medication and therapy.<br />There is also the chance that should she recover enough to understand the result of her actions, that she caused the death of her son either accidentally or deliberately, it could be too much for her to bear, resulting in self harm.<br /><br />I wonder what causes Münchhausen by proxy?<br />Is it a fault somewhere in the genes?<br />is it something from the way the person was raised?<br />Is it the result of something happening to them or a loved one?Tania Cadoganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06511272355142175684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-28063700264979019752016-04-09T19:23:10.388-04:002016-04-09T19:23:10.388-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Hey Judehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05118508358051764200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-53782147171322138812016-04-09T18:26:23.045-04:002016-04-09T18:26:23.045-04:00I wish we were all willing to accept our biases co...I wish we were all willing to accept our biases color our perceptions. It's healthy, leads to self-growth and would make the world a nicer place to be. I think ego (is it the super-ego?) plays a big part in preventing, halting or even stopping people from OWNING their biases. I'm aware of my own biases (and aware that I'm not aware of them all) and yet there are times when I have spoken or reacted from ego, probably a lot of times actually. I'm rambling now. Anyway,good talk!<br />Thanks for another thought-provoking lesson.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-91874656367135460102016-04-09T17:55:49.610-04:002016-04-09T17:55:49.610-04:00The one studying analysis will inevitably face sel...<b>The one studying analysis will inevitably face self analysis</b><br /><br />I can relate. I'm a latch-key kid and was left to my own accord at a very early age (including being shipped off for summer months with little communication from my parents). I had a dentist appointment yesterday and it finally dawned on me why I hate going so much. Every time they light up my x-rays they can read into them what they will.Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09150573665283919209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-39986001424644682412016-04-09T17:31:14.891-04:002016-04-09T17:31:14.891-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Hey Judehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05118508358051764200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-75374688645388682262016-04-09T17:30:15.759-04:002016-04-09T17:30:15.759-04:00http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/search-...http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/search-for-15month-toddler-missing-from-olympic-park-heidelberg-west/news-story/eed24b1ef2ff9787603d085f89601b63Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-81867202714410901722016-04-09T17:04:08.422-04:002016-04-09T17:04:08.422-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Hey Judehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05118508358051764200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-29158494869016914042016-04-09T15:56:35.414-04:002016-04-09T15:56:35.414-04:00LIs,
also consider that 90% plus deception is via...LIs,<br /><br />also consider that 90% plus deception is via missing information meaning that if you avoid interpretation, you can gain lots of information. <br /><br />If you have the fabricator of reality, you can pretty much consider that most everything is a lie, and will actually succeed by not listening; not getting sucked in to the lies. <br /><br />Listen to what addicts deep into recovery (post 5 years) say about truth and lying. They own their lies and are dedicated to truth, in order to maintain their sobriety. Fascinating for those of us who listen. Statement Analysis Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13607372649929274491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-50010101082759394742016-04-09T15:54:03.097-04:002016-04-09T15:54:03.097-04:00Here is an example of bias:
The swede projects th...Here is an example of bias:<br /><br />The swede projects their belief upon the Romas and they are wrong:<br /><br />http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7782/sweden-roma-beggarsStatement Analysis Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13607372649929274491noreply@blogger.com