tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post7726941563957307462..comments2024-03-18T04:20:15.987-04:00Comments on Statement Analysis ®: Statement Analysis of Lizzie Borden: Part Three Statement Analysis Bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13607372649929274491noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-72081267931273642762015-05-02T18:58:20.371-04:002015-05-02T18:58:20.371-04:00@C5H11ONO, you're totally right about the said...@C5H11ONO, you're totally right about the said/told comments, and did you notice that LB changes tenses to the present when she is referring to her step-mother mentioning the note? These transcripts are very old; it could be a typo, but I doubt it.kimisan03noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-41934940839216406932014-08-24T21:15:15.279-04:002014-08-24T21:15:15.279-04:00During Brigget's testimony she said she had we...During Brigget's testimony she said she had went through the dining room and sitting room, closing the windows in preparation for the cleaning, and then went into the cellar to fetch a pail of water. She next went to the barn to get the handle for the brush. Armed with her cleaning materials (which also included a step-ladder), Brigget went to the south side of the house to wash the sitting-room windows there, stopping for a few moments to CHAT with the girl from the Kelly house, just to the south of the Borden home. Brigget then proceeded to clean the windows of the sitting-room, the parlor and the dining room, running to the barn about six or seven times to refresh her pail of water. She entered the house one more time to fetch a dipper for rinsing from the kitchen closet, BUT DIDN'T SEE ANYONE while she was inside. It was during all this activity by Brigget that Abby Borden may have been murdered by the nineteen hatchet blows to the head that she had received in the upstairs guestroom by LB.Randienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-51756567718232002712014-08-24T21:11:39.262-04:002014-08-24T21:11:39.262-04:00According to Bridget's testimony, after the po...According to Bridget's testimony, after the poor girl had finally finished her retching, she came back inside to find Abby Borden walking about with a feather duster, giving her orders to wash the downstairs windows, both inside and out.Randienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-20297465457055454962014-08-24T21:08:43.600-04:002014-08-24T21:08:43.600-04:00LB claims she came home at 9:00 pm and locked up t...LB claims she came home at 9:00 pm and locked up the house cause it was her "business" or her assigned job. She lied. <br /><br />On the Witness stand Brigget told the jury that on the evening of Wednesday August 3rd, she went out to see a friend on Third Street, returning at roughly 10:00 in the evening. A lamp had been left on in the kitchen for her, and she proceeded to the ice chest from which she poured herself a glass of milk. This may have some significance, since Brigget had not yet suffered the ill feelings that had so recently besieged the other members of the Borden household. She told them fter she woke up on the morning of August 4th, she began to feel a dull headache. Later that morning, she would be vomiting in the backyard, but it is unclear if her illness was initiated by her late night glass of milk. <br /><br />Brigget was the last one in that evening. LB lied.Randienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-44639628068718362932014-08-24T20:58:33.289-04:002014-08-24T20:58:33.289-04:00Q. Did you get any breakfast that morning?
A. I do...<br />Q. Did you get any breakfast that morning?<br />A. I don't know whether I ate half a banana. I don't think I did.<br /><br />Q. You drank no tea or coffee that morning?<br />A. No sir.<br /><br />Q. And ate no cookies?<br /><br /> Really?<br /><br /> This portion of the interview was very poorly conducted. <br /><br /> <br />A. I don't know whether I did or not. We had some molasses cookies. I don't know whether I ate any that morning or not.<br />-----------------------<br /><br />In Maggie's (Brigget's) testimony on the witness stand she stated clear that LB ate cookies and had coffee after Andrew, Abby, and John left the kitchen.<br /><br />Why does LB lie???Randienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-29463137215776457972014-08-24T20:53:37.350-04:002014-08-24T20:53:37.350-04:00Q. When she dusted, did she wear something over he...<br />Q. When she dusted, did she wear something over her head?<br />A. Sometimes when she swept, but not when dusting.<br /><br />Q. Where was Maggie?<br />A. Just came in the back door with the long pole, brush and put the brush on the handle. and getting her pail of water. She was going to wash the windows around the house. She said Mrs. Borden wanted her to.<br />------------------------------<br /><br />1. During that time period every cleaning woman wore something on their head when dusting a home. Dust would have covered their hair. Abby Borden was found without something on her head. Point being, she had not been dusting. Lizzie lied.<br /><br />2. She drops the pronoun before "just came in the back door". She didn't want to own knowing where Maggie (Brigget) was. Reason being: In Brigget's trial testimony on the witness stand she stated clear that Lizzie TOLD her to go clean all the windows. Brigget said she had gotten ill after breakfast and went out back and vomited (she was gone 10-15 minutes). The last thing she probably wanted to do was go scrub tons of windows after feeling ill and vomiting. <br /><br />This is why LB added the extra information "Mrs. Borden wanted her to." (making it sensitive).<br /><br />LB wanted Brigget out of the house. In her witness testimony Brigget said that when she was done washing windows LB suggested that she go visit a certain department store that was having sales. Brigget didn't feel like it. She was ill and wanted to go upstairs and lay down. Which she did. Again, LB wanted her out of the house.<br /><br />Randienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-56156291414483582002014-08-23T09:43:49.070-04:002014-08-23T09:43:49.070-04:00I wonder how old Lizzie was the first time Mr.Moro...I wonder how old Lizzie was the first time Mr.Morose came to visit. He set off alarm bells for her. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-83505969680554997662014-08-23T09:39:28.293-04:002014-08-23T09:39:28.293-04:00She backtracks her testimony quite a bit and the p...She backtracks her testimony quite a bit and the prosecuter does not clarify or point out the discrepancies. She claims to be upstairs and downstairs when her dad returns. She claims she stayed in her room all day and didnt speak to the guest in the adjoining room because she felt too ill, but went out in the evening to visit a friend.. She claims she was eating pears in the kitchen when her dad came home, then later stated she was standing 20 minutes eating the same pears in the hottest part of the barn. She was too ill to eat, but she ate. She went to get fishing sinker in some accounts, tin foil in others. She's just one lie after another.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-56585898052306809262014-08-22T06:50:44.982-04:002014-08-22T06:50:44.982-04:00If you look up Lizzie Borden on Wikipedia, I don&#...If you look up Lizzie Borden on Wikipedia, I don't know how reliable they are, it said that there was a break-in the year prior and that's why the father insisted on always having the doors locked. It also said that Lizzie was put on morphine after the murders and she was under the influence of that during the trial, and it also said that the DA was very harsh with her - we can't see that in the transcripts, it seems like she was calm and collected and the DA was sort of flustered. I wonder why, if it was true, Lizzie didn't bring up the break-in. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-43078004872507173622014-08-21T21:53:55.094-04:002014-08-21T21:53:55.094-04:00Very interesting, thanks for posting this. I look ...Very interesting, thanks for posting this. I look forward to more, if there is any. <br /><br />I get confused sometimes reading the questions and answers. Whether Lizzie is guilty or not (I've always thought she was), I think it could actually become confusing the way he keeps asking the same questions over and over, but in different ways, especially about breakfast and eating and mundane things like that; sometimes just reading, I don't fully know which day/time he's talking about. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-60898633307585731592014-08-21T18:30:04.551-04:002014-08-21T18:30:04.551-04:00Was missing part of 2 so reposting
CONTRADICTION ...Was missing part of 2 so reposting<br /><br />CONTRADICTION TWO<br /><br />Where was she when her dad got home? Now keep in mind, if she was upstairs… The bedroom door of the room Abby was killed in was right there by the top of the stairs. And even her neighbor who went up and looked could see the body just going up the stairs and did not need to enter the room. I would think she would be better off saying she was downstairs. <br /><br />Lizzie inquest<br /><br />LIZZIE: “I think he came to the front door and rang the bell and I think Maggie let him in and he said he had forgotten his key.”<br /><br />A few questions later….<br /><br />LIZZIE: He came home after I came downstairs. <br />Q. You were not upstairs when he came home? <br />LIZZIE: I was not upstairs when he came home, no sir.<br /><br />A few more questions later…<br /><br />Q. Where were you when the bell rang? <br />A. I think in my room upstairs. <br />Q. Then you were upstairs when your father came home? <br />A. I don't know sure, but I think so. <br />Q. What were you doing? <br />A. As I say, I took up these clean clothes and stopped and basted a little piece of tape on a garment. <br />Q. Did you come down before your father was let in? <br />A. I was on the stairs coming down when she let him in. <br />Q. Then you were upstairs when your father came to the house on his return? <br />A. I think I was.<br /><br /> <br /><br />Maggie testimony<br /><br />MAGGIE: “Then I heard like a person at the door was trying to unlock the door but could not; so I went to the front door and unlocked it. The spring lock was locked. I unbolted the door and it was locked with a key; there were three locks. I said "pshaw," and Miss Lizzie laughed, upstairs. Her father was out there on the doorstep. She was upstairs. She must have been either in the entry or at the top of the stairs, I can't tell which. Mr. Borden and I didn't say a word as he came in. I went back to my window washing; he came into the sitting room and went into the dining room”<br /><br /> <br /><br /> <br /><br /> <br /><br /> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15499800062565134217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-63563209382499099692014-08-21T18:19:04.037-04:002014-08-21T18:19:04.037-04:00CONTRADICTION FIVE
The NOTE
Now, to me this note...CONTRADICTION FIVE<br /><br />The NOTE<br /><br />Now, to me this note… first it was never found. And as small of a town this was and as much this trial was talked about, I find it odd that the person that sent the note never came forward. Seems a little to convenient for Lizzie. I mean, if her father came home and thought his wife was home, he may have looked for her to speak to her and found the body rather than lay down on the couch to be killed….. But Lizzie made it clear to him she was not home. <br /><br />But….Maggie stated that generally Abby would tell her if she left. Kinda makes sense since it was her boss technically.<br /><br />Maggie also stated never heard anyone come to the door to bring the note.<br /><br />Now the only odd thing is the way Adelaide states it about Maggie is that Maggie knew about the note but I think Maggie was just repeating what Lizzie told her about the note. But it is not totally clear. =<br /><br /> <br /><br />MAGGIE TESTIMONY<br /><br />Q. Up to the time when Miss Lizzie Borden told her father and told you in reference to the note, had you heard anything about it from anyone? <br />MAGGIE: No sir, I never did.<br />Q. Let me ask you if anyone to your knowledge came to that house on the morning of August 4th with a message or a note for Mrs. Borden? <br />MAGGIE: No sir, I never seen nobody.<br /><br /> <br /><br />Adelaide TESTIMONY<br /><br />Q. What did Bridget tell you about Mrs. Borden having a note? <br />ADELAIDE: She said Mrs. Borden had a note to go to see someone that was sick, and she was dusting the sitting room, and she hurried off, and says, "She didn't tell me where she was going; she generally does."<br />Q. That was what Bridget told you? <br />ADELAIDE: Yes sir.<br />Q. That was not what Lizzie told you? <br />ADELAIDE: No sir.<br />Q. Bridget said Mrs. Borden had a note? <br />ADELAIDE:. Yes.<br />Q. And she hurried off? <br />ADELAIDE: Yes sir.<br />Q. She was dusting the sitting room? <br />ADELAIDE: Yes sir.<br />Q. And Bridget says, "She didn't tell me where she was going; she generally does"? <br />ADELAIDE: Bridget said—<br />Q. Bridget said that? <br />ADELAIDE:. Yes sir.<br />Q. That was not what Lizzie said? <br />ADELAIDE:. No sir.<br />Q. Now, you have got that right, haven't you? No doubt about that?<br />ADELAIDE: That Bridget said that "Mrs.. Borden had a note to go to see someone that was sick. She was dusting in the sitting room. She hurried off. She didn't tell me where she was going. She generally does”<br /><br /> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15499800062565134217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-9655985668901670412014-08-21T18:18:19.137-04:002014-08-21T18:18:19.137-04:00CONTRADICTION FOUR
What did she go to the barn fo...CONTRADICTION FOUR<br /><br />What did she go to the barn for<br /><br />LIZZIE INQUEST TESTIMONY<br /><br />Q. How long was your father in the house before you found him killed?<br /><br />LIZZIE. I don't know exactly because I went out to the barn. I don't know what time he came home. I don't think he had been home more than 15 or 20 minutes. I am not sure.<br /><br />*****First the reason was that she needed sinkers. First saying there were some sinkers at the farm then there was not. <br /><br />Q. Had you any sinkers over there? <br />LIZZIE: I think there were some. It is so long since I have been there, I think there were some.<br /><br />Then a couple questions later…<br /><br />Q. You thought there were no sinkers at the farm to be had? <br />LIZZIE: I thought there were no sinkers at the farm to be had.<br /><br /> <br /><br />Testimony of Maggie <br /><br />ALICE. …….. Later, when she told us about going to the barn, I asked her, "What did you go to the barn for, Lizzie?" And she said, "I went to get a piece of tin or iron to fix my screen." She said my screen”<br /><br />Testimony of Adelaide B. Churchill<br /><br />ADELIADE: “And I said, "Where were you when it happened?" and, she said, "I went to the barn to get a piece of iron”<br /><br /> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15499800062565134217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-37647949955441607022014-08-21T18:17:23.660-04:002014-08-21T18:17:23.660-04:00CONTRADICTION THREE
Then Lizzie insisted she was ...CONTRADICTION THREE<br /><br />Then Lizzie insisted she was in the kitchen then entire time before her dad was murdered and never saw her dad go upstairs. Maggie said he went up to his room. Makes me wonder what she was doing at this time.<br /><br />Lizzie inquest<br /><br />Q. Did he not go upstairs to his room before he sat down in the sitting room? <br />LIZZIE: I did not see him go. <br />Q. He had the key to his room down there?<br />LIZZIE: I don't know whether he had it. It was kept on the shelf. <br />Q. Don't you remember he took the key and went into his own room and then came back? <br />LIZZIE: No sir. <br />Q. You don't remember anything of that kind? <br />LIZZIE: No sir. I do not think he did go upstairs either. <br />Q. You will swear he did not? <br />LIZZIE: I did not see him. <br />Q. You swear you did not see him? <br />LIZZIE: Yes sir. <br />Q. You were either in the kitchen or sitting room all the time? <br />LIZZIE: Yes sir. <br />Q. He could not have gone up without he had gone through the kitchen? <br />LIZZIE: No sir.<br /><br /> <br /><br />Maggie testimony<br /><br />MAGGIE: “The next thing I remember, Mr. Borden took a key off the mantelpiece and went up the back stairs. When he came downstairs again, I was finished in the sitting room, and I took my hand basin and stepladder into the dining room. I began to wash the dining-room windows.”<br /><br /> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15499800062565134217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-61760527293426994722014-08-21T18:16:35.257-04:002014-08-21T18:16:35.257-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15499800062565134217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-32039604953220940262014-08-21T18:14:42.183-04:002014-08-21T18:14:42.183-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15499800062565134217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-46465832619737680372014-08-21T18:12:35.801-04:002014-08-21T18:12:35.801-04:00CONTRADICTION ONE
Did Lizzie ask anyone to look u...CONTRADICTION ONE<br /><br />Did Lizzie ask anyone to look upstairs for Abby or not<br />Did Lizzie say Abby was out or that she may have come in.<br /> <br /><br />INQUEST TESTIMONY OF LIZZIE<br /><br />Q. When you found your father dead, you supposed your mother had gone?<br />LIZZIE: “I did not know. I said to the people who came in, "I don't know whether Mrs. Borden is out or in. I wish you would see if she is in her room."<br /> <br /><br />Then just a few questions later….<br /><br />Q. Did you suggest to anybody to search upstairs? <br />LIZZIE: I said, "I don't know where Mrs. Borden is." That is all I said. <br />Q. You did not suggest that any search be made for her? <br />Q. No sir.<br /><br />Then a just couple questions later.<br /><br />Q. I want you to give me all that you did, by way of word or deed, to see whether your mother was dead or not, when you found your father was dead. <br />LIZZIE: I did not do anything except what I said to Mrs. Churchill. I said to her, "I don't know where Mrs. Borden is. I think she is out, but I wish you would look" <br />Q. You did ask her to look? <br />A. I said that to Mrs. Churchill.<br /><br />Maggie Testimony<br /><br />MAGGIE: Mrs. Churchill was in the house, and Dr. Bowen. No one else, except Miss Lizzie. She was in the kitchen, and Mrs. Churchill and I went into the dining room, and Dr. Bowen came out from the sitting room and said, "He is murdered; he is murdered." And I says, "Oh, Lizzie, if I knew where Mrs. Whitehead was I would go and see if Mrs. Borden was there and tell her that Mr. Borden was very sick." She says, "Maggie, I am almost positive I heard her coming in. Won't you go upstairs to see?" I said, "I am not going upstairs alone."<br /><br />Lizzie Inquest testimony<br /><br />Q. (By Knowlton) Did you make any effort to notify Mrs. Borden of your father being killed? <br />LIZZIE: No sir. When I found him, I rushed right to the foot of the stairs for Maggie. I supposed Mrs. Borden was out. I did not think anything about her at the time, I was so---. <br />Q. At any time, did you say anything about her to anybody? <br />LIZZIE: No sir. <br />Q. To the effect that she was out? <br />LIZZIE: I told father when he came in. <br />Q. After your father was killed? <br />LIZZIE: No sir. <br />Q. Did you say you thought she was upstairs? <br />LIZZIE: No sir. <br />Q. Did you ask them to look upstairs? <br />LIZZIE: No sir. <br />Q. Did you suggest to anybody to search upstairs? <br />LIZZIE: I said, "I don't know where Mrs. Borden is." That is all I said. <br />Q. You did not suggest that any search be made for her? <br />Q. No sir. <br />Q. You did not make any yourself? <br />LIZZIE:. No sir.<br /><br /> <br /><br />Testimony of Adelaide<br /><br />ADELAIDE: “Shortly after, he came out and made some exclamation. Then he turned to me and said, "Addie, come in and see Mr. Borden." I said, "Oh no, Doctor, I don't want to see him. I saw him this morning. I don't want to see him." Later, after the body was covered, I saw his feet. Miss Russell came soon afterwards, and Lizzie said she wished someone would try to find Mrs. Borden. So Bridget and I started. She led the way, and as I went upstairs, I turned my head to the left, and when I got up so my eyes were level with the front hall, I could see across the floor of the spare room. At the far side, I saw something that looked like the form of a person.”<br /><br /> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15499800062565134217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-6744474805223290792014-08-21T18:11:37.393-04:002014-08-21T18:11:37.393-04:00A few things…
First there has been a lot of talk ...A few things…<br /><br />First there has been a lot of talk that there was sexual abuse. And that may also be why the girls never married. <br /><br /><br />Then.... maggie was not the maids name.... It is Bridgett. Maggie was the prior maid and Lizzie called Bridget by the name Maggie. ODD and makes me wonder if they were close to the real Maggie... Like a mother figure...<br /><br />Then, for those that think she is innocent… It’s possible. But the home was always locked. At the time Mrs Borden was murdered, the maid was outside of the home and Lizzie was in the home. Then, for most of the time frame in which Mr Borden was killed, Lizzie claims she was standing in the barn (despite being summer and VERY HOT) looking out the window towards the house.<br /><br />I find that nearly impossible for this person to be totally undetected. But ok maybe. Then this person would have had to hide out in this home for about an hour and a half, again being undetected by Maggie and Lizzie walking around and up and down….. And then killed the dad. And had time to clean up any blood that may have dropped and well, any on him and got out of the home again, undetected…..<br /><br />Seems like a stretch.<br /><br /> I think Lizzie did it.<br /><br />And there are a couple major contradictions. Not just in Lizzies statements herself, but that of what Maggie said vs Lizzie.<br /><br /> <br /><br /> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15499800062565134217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-75294981008090459152014-08-21T18:07:41.316-04:002014-08-21T18:07:41.316-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15499800062565134217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-14431628967931437382014-08-21T11:14:50.377-04:002014-08-21T11:14:50.377-04:00John, I have been wondering the same thing. Of co...John, I have been wondering the same thing. Of course, context indicates that the doors were kept locked in this house all the time, and that Maggie was indeed washing windows.lgjproducthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10721543853191064509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-68950732922961108862014-08-21T09:59:03.653-04:002014-08-21T09:59:03.653-04:00Q. Miss Borden, I want you now to tell me all the ...Q. Miss Borden, I want you now to tell me all the talk you had with your mother when she came down, and all the talk she had with you. Please begin again.<br />A. She asked me how I felt. I told her. She asked me what I wanted for dinner. I told her not anything. What kind of meat I wanted for dinner. I told her not any. She said she had been up and made the spare bed and was going to take up some linen pillow cases for the small pillows at the foot and then the room was done. She says, "I have had a note from somebody that is sick and I am going out and I will get the dinner at the same time." I think she said something about the weather, I don't know. She also asked me if I would direct some paper wrappers for her, which I did.<br /><br /><br />--From her responses I can tell that Abby was speaking to her and she was very terse. It was she who had a problem with Abby, not both disliking each other. She even proves it when she describes her conversation with her. Abby "said" and she "told". C5H11ONOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01081979197453633522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-29178726426735789222014-08-21T08:46:08.586-04:002014-08-21T08:46:08.586-04:00Excellent.Excellent.John Mc Gowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430624388902099338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-49126688507013169722014-08-21T07:51:02.785-04:002014-08-21T07:51:02.785-04:00A few possible points of interest?
1) Lizzie had...A few possible points of interest?<br /><br />1) Lizzie had the right to defend herself, regardless as to how she may have answered some questions, statements or crafty insinuations made by the prosecutor.<br /><br />2) Ha.... Clearly, Lizzie was smarter than the prosecutor!<br /><br />3) There was no need for the prosecutor to continuously refer to Lizzie's step-mother as her "mother". She was NOT Lizzie's mother and never should have been referred to as such. Lizzie was a woman within her own right, fully capable of discerning whether or not she 'liked' her step-mother. Where is it written that a step-daughter has to 'like' or love her stepmother or cannot have disagreements with her? This does not mean that Lizzie killed her. <br /><br />4) There was a 'burn the witch at the stakes' mentality back in those days. It would be worthwhile to know more about the history of Mr. and Mrs. Borden. Mr. Borden was reputed to have made some serious enemies. Also, there was serious conflict in the step-mothers' family and other extended family concerning a real estate matter that created bitter feelings. <br /><br />All of these issues, and others, should have been investigated in depth but we don't see any history of this. I wouldn't just write Lizzie off as being the murderer or having knowledge as to who the murderer(s) might have been just based on what we have available to us now. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com