tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post7981850350741094132..comments2024-03-18T04:20:15.987-04:00Comments on Statement Analysis ®: Jessica Ridgeway Body Found Statement Analysis Bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13607372649929274491noreply@blogger.comBlogger118125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-50223930438199617932012-10-14T14:35:06.439-04:002012-10-14T14:35:06.439-04:00You are right BeccaBoo, "Time and unforseen o...You are right BeccaBoo, "Time and unforseen occurance befall us all."<br />The things you mentioned are a possibility in our day and age and are out of our control. But let's change the scenario a little. You have gotten a notice from your son's school that there is a possible kidnapper/child-hunter-killer is on the loose in YOUR neighborhood, maybe on YOUR street & he has already (recently) tried twice and failed. You are warned of the situation & told to beware & take extra precautions (which should go without saying). Obviously you can't hole yourself up in your house & never let your son leave! <br />But is there anything that you can do, or would do, that you may not ordinarily feel was necessary? Maybe you would drive him, instead of letting him take the bus. Or, walk him to the bus stop & stay until he gets on (even if it's from a distance)? You know, Just to be sure. <br />Or, would you send him out the door, & even though the bus stop is within your view, would you let him go out the door and then just go to bed? Wouldn't you wonder if that predator was near the bus stop, again? Wouldn't you even be curious or concerned, just a little more than normal? It's not like you are hiring an armed guard to escort him each morning. You will lose 15 more minutes of sleep that day. Would it be worth the sacrifice to you?<br /><br />This is not the first child that has been taken, tortured and killed. And, it will not be the last. I may not be able to control the monsters in the world, but I am going to go down with a heck of a fight trying to keep mine away from his sick mind. <br />It doesn't mean I will homeschool them & make them hold my hand until they are 18 yrs old. But, there are a few things I can do within reason. Then I will truly know that I did put forth the extra effort & tried my hardest to protect them because they are too important to me not to. <br /><br />If the mother was not involved, which the LE says she was not, then how very heartbreaking for her to have the added pain knowing that it could have been avoided. But, hindsight is 20/20 isn't it? <br />I think people are angry that another child has died a horrible death at the hands of another sick monster & in this case, the mother happened to make it very easy to blame her by her in-action to take the extra step, even after warnings.<br /><br />The bottom line is that we each are responsible for our own children and how we act. I will do the best I can, with the resources & abilities that I have. For each family, and each parent, those vary. The general public on this forum are devastated to see another little girl brutally killed by some sick monster. Emotions are running high due to the loss & what seemed to be a simple solution for added protection. <br /><br />Let's hope that by people pointing out the obvious here, that maybe it helps one mom who reads it to pay a little closer attention or do something that she wouldn't have thought was so important before, so that her child will just be a little safer tomorrow. <br /><br />Or maybe it will incite another to start watching the neighbor kids that are walking to school, or the bus stop, as they are out for a morning or afternoon walk. It will just be that one extra person that helps to keep yours safe because the reading here has opened their eyes and that may make all the difference in the world. <br /><br />MsCabinFeverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04172412802096918383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-56706779667889278872012-10-14T02:11:34.649-04:002012-10-14T02:11:34.649-04:00Except for your first sentence, what you wrote mak...Except for your first sentence, what you wrote makes no sense to me.<br />Your contempt shines through your lines though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-51082021403536485572012-10-14T02:03:40.882-04:002012-10-14T02:03:40.882-04:00Excellent analysis, Vita.
You have me spellbound.Excellent analysis, Vita.<br />You have me spellbound.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-84269197416823972522012-10-14T01:57:12.031-04:002012-10-14T01:57:12.031-04:00Or, their parents "accidentally" physica...Or, their parents "accidentally" physically abuse them to death.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-89593974856403876262012-10-14T01:55:57.634-04:002012-10-14T01:55:57.634-04:00Statistically, the types of accidents school age c...Statistically, the types of accidents school age children suffer fatalities in are ones in which they're skating or biking on the road, don't look where they're going, & a car doesn't see them, & they get hit. Or, they fall...off a bike, w/o a helmet & suffer fatal head trauma/bleeding, or they ride on ATVs & the ATV rolls on them, crushing them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-49722036173419831332012-10-14T01:53:01.512-04:002012-10-14T01:53:01.512-04:00Which begs the question:
So why didn't the day...Which begs the question:<br />So why didn't the daytime-schedule working grandmother take Jessica to school on her way out of the development on her way to work ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-46522530329142068442012-10-14T01:50:48.321-04:002012-10-14T01:50:48.321-04:00The only accident I ever witnessed relative to sch...The only accident I ever witnessed relative to school was my own, when my (kid you not) next-door-locker-mate at school misjudged the slick conditions on the snowy road in front of our Massachusetts high school, as I sat at the stop sign on the road that was perpendicular to the one he was on, & he ran into my Pinto's driver's side door, jamming it so I couldn't get out ! This was the model of car with the fuel-tank fire defect, & the only car the four of us kids (close in age, all in high school) all shared to get to school, sports, work, & band. I'll never forget the embarrassed look on his face or the profuse apology he gave ! LOLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-58230526212253204752012-10-14T01:43:50.787-04:002012-10-14T01:43:50.787-04:00BTW, Sierra Lamar's killer grew up in the imme...BTW, Sierra Lamar's killer grew up in the immediate area south of her house, attended high school that played hers in sports. Fond of hiking. Several lakes/bodies of water were sonared, nothing found. She's probably in a shallow grave off his favorite hiking trail.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-62202580095080243672012-10-14T01:41:00.721-04:002012-10-14T01:41:00.721-04:00Another name:
Sierra Lamar.
disappeared at the end...Another name:<br />Sierra Lamar.<br />disappeared at the end of her driveway in a cul-de-sac, steps from her bus stop.<br />suspect: temp-employed construction worker, former grocery store worker w/several attempts of using stun gun on customers at their cars loading groceries, married, 1 baby, living in trailer w/wife, baby, & his own mother. <br /><br />His M.O. was to use stun gun to incapacitate his victim, then attempt to sexually assault them.<br />He ended up killing Sierra, his DNA on her clothes folded neatly in her purse in some alley, her cell phone tossed off the roadside he drove as he fled from her housing development with her in his car. Still no body, but he (like his dad) is sitting in jail charged w/1st deg homicide.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-41123387446637077002012-10-14T01:31:40.535-04:002012-10-14T01:31:40.535-04:001 name comes to mind:
Mickey Shunick.
Riding bike,...1 name comes to mind:<br />Mickey Shunick.<br />Riding bike, perp driving truck strikes bike, incapacitates her w/stun gun, throws her into truck, bike into truck bed.<br /><br />Takes less time than it would take for 1 stunned mother to run 500 feet trying to catch said truck driving off w/her 10 yo son.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-78590082697106580492012-10-14T01:15:47.009-04:002012-10-14T01:15:47.009-04:00Jessica took care of herself by herself; her mothe...Jessica took care of herself by herself; her mother only watched, while she was inside the house; to her, that's all that mattered was what went on inside the house. That's how she came to be missing outside the house.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-86119993113693587952012-10-12T16:48:47.267-04:002012-10-12T16:48:47.267-04:00LE has said the parents are cleared which could be...LE has said the parents are cleared which could be true but could also be a tactic. We have no way to know for sure at this time. No one has said the family has been cleared, just mom and dad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-8307463204286698122012-10-12T12:42:35.226-04:002012-10-12T12:42:35.226-04:00Anon @ 11:29 thanks, I think hes pretty awesome to...Anon @ 11:29 thanks, I think hes pretty awesome too!<br />Bonnie Blue, your comment definitely is one that I have considered and here's what I came up with:<br />I my decision to let my little one resulted in his death, then yes I would suffer and suffer and suffer from regret. The same suffering I would get if my child were to die in a swimming accident, car crash, fatal food poisoning, victim of gun violence such as school shootings, theatre shootings or just walking down the street. Every time I let them out of my sight, I'm taking the same risk. How can I judge Jessica's mother when I myself might make a disastrous decision that decides my child fate?BeccaBoonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-61809509914519664422012-10-12T11:56:31.594-04:002012-10-12T11:56:31.594-04:00I used the LeMar case because it was one that I co...I used the LeMar case because it was one that I could easily recall in which accusations flew yet it was a true abduction. I certainly can see the connection between a mother hiding something regarding her boyfriend, and jumping to the conclusion that the boyfriend did it (although if I recall correctly you did not once make the assertion that "he did it," as part of your analysis.). However, it is "wild" to me because people can be deceptive about things for several reasons - perhaps she was worried he had done something to Sierra, maybe he was having an affair and didn't come home and she didn't want to discuss it, maybe they were engaged in intimate or illegal activities and didn't even see Sierra at all that morning and she knew he wasn't involved because she was with him but didn't want to disclose that on national television. I don't know the reason. I just know that there are any number of possibilities, and all we (the public) know is what is disclosed publicly. Yes it is logical to suspect someone when they are deceptive, but in my opinion, it is "wild" to exclude all other possibilities without having all the information. Perhaps "wild" was not the best word to use, as it's not an implausible theory. I was simply trying to point out that someone can show guilt/sensitivity /deception without being the killer/kidnapper, and the LeMar case was one example that came to mind.JoJonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-17374701697647698512012-10-12T11:49:12.209-04:002012-10-12T11:49:12.209-04:00Wow, thats a lot of anger and name-calling just be...Wow, thats a lot of anger and name-calling just because I don't share your opinion. BTW, do you have the data about car crashes vs. child abductions? I don't, and I said I didn't. You imply you do. It'd be interesting to see.<br />Human beings all have skewed perceptions of risk. Risks we take voluntarily are downplayed in our minds, and risks that are foisted upon us are seen as much greater than they are, statistically speaking. This is something that has been shown over and over again in studies - it's just human nature. Rather than just accept these innate reactions to risks, I'd prefer to try to take a step back and see what the facts are, and take it from there. <br />I'm not an airhead, and I don't think everyone's crazy but me. I'm not a name-caller, either. I just stated my opinion and asked a question about relative risk. Maybe you need a nap? Picked a Namenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-55539041644613628092012-10-12T11:23:01.474-04:002012-10-12T11:23:01.474-04:00Peter, I am referring to the comments, not your an...Peter, I am referring to the comments, not your analysis. I was not trying to imply that your analysis is "off," so I apologize if it reads that way. I simply don't understand why some of the commenters are continuing to question the mother's involvement after she has been cleared. Yes, she is indicated for deception, and neglect, and others you mentioned, but it doesn't mean she killed her daughter. Am I incorrect in my understanding that while SA is a valuable tool for detecting deception, it cannot always tell us the full reason behind WHY a person is being deceptive? I have read all of your analysis on this case and not once did you claim "she did it," and further, you offered a couple possibilities as to where some of the distancing language and deception may have come from. There are some posters here who (in my opinion) have taken your analysis. and run with it, and I don't understand why, or where some of these theories are coming from, especially those that were made after it was publicly announced that the mother had been cleared. JoJonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-8064534861309860292012-10-12T09:37:08.319-04:002012-10-12T09:37:08.319-04:00All these horror stories are swell and grand, but ...All these horror stories are swell and grand, but not one of you has addressed my original comment regarding emotions in statement analysis. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-10523780872460844412012-10-12T09:36:25.303-04:002012-10-12T09:36:25.303-04:00shayshay, you are wise enough to own that your opi...shayshay, you are wise enough to own that your opinion may change when you have children. I respect your open mindedness. <br /><br />I am with Jen. Stephen King said that he was unable to write horror that matches the imaginations of young parents fretting over their children. You can only imagine what we experience when we first see our little one hanging upside down on the monkey bars at a playground. It is difficult to "let go" and allow the child's confidence to grow because our instinct is to jump up and say, "no, no, you might fall" and risk crippling the child's confidence for the rest of his or her life. <br /><br />We do not live in a safe world and in this case, Jessica's mother showed neglect and parentification of Jessica. That she kept the phone where she could not hear it in an emergency is one thing, but her emphasis on sleep is still another. When she said that she will be treated well "like always" , it is an indicator of neglect and my guess is that the neglect was probably public enough to have Child Protective Services, or Teacher's Conferences to address. <br /><br />We all leak out more than we realize, which is why the truth is always best and easiest. <br /><br />When I see a young couple about to have their first child, I always say to them, "Everything you think will change the day after." <br /><br />You will be amazed at how dramatic a change will come upon you at the birth of a child. So many beliefs and stances go down the drain quickly. Some people will say, "Well, what happened to your belief that..." which is a form of "I told you so" that is probably not helpful. <br /><br />This is not the first public case of a mother who, had she gotten off her butt, her child would still be alive today. Either the public can take it as a lesson and warning of great value, or will quickly defend the mother, likely revealing their own issues. You, shayshay, are wise enough to say that your opinion may change. <br /><br />I used to ride my bike several miles to school and not even lock it. I look back with disbelief now. By the time my children were bike riding in our neighborhood, they had certain blocks they were not "allowed" to ride their bikes down, meaning that they knew, if they did, they would be potentially robbed. Did they have a "right" to go down those blocks? Yes, but one stolen bike for us was enough. I did not see the need of putting them in harm's way just to defend a "right." Kids with bolt cutters stole bikes at our public library! The only way they could travel safely, as teens, was in a group and one would have to remain outside the library, watching the locked bikes. <br /><br />They now look back at that and say the world has gotten worse now than it was then. <br /><br />Before someone dismisses this as generational musings, take a good hard look at crime stats. Statement Analysis Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13607372649929274491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-72167052607225311752012-10-12T09:25:46.843-04:002012-10-12T09:25:46.843-04:00PS:
Why were theories that the boyfriend did it, ...PS:<br /><br />Why were theories that the boyfriend did it, "wild" in your thinking? <br /><br />A teen went missing, the mother was deceptive about the boyfriend. Statistics show that someone known to the family, or the family, is more likely the culprit. <br /><br />Following statistics, and having a deceptive response about the boyfriend in the home leaving does not have that "wild" feel to it for me. <br /><br />When mother was on Nancy Grace, the guests saw that she was deceptive or inconsistent about boyfriend, and even remarked how defensive she was about him WHILE her daughter was missing. <br /><br />The mother brought suspicion upon the boyfriend, herself, not commentators. <br /><br />I see nothing "wild" or extreme about the "who done it?" look at the boyfriend or the mother. It is the first thing professional investigators look at: the inner circle. <br /><br />I don't see the comparison in that case with this case. PeterStatement Analysis Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13607372649929274491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-6597189109234683692012-10-12T09:21:34.924-04:002012-10-12T09:21:34.924-04:00jojo, did you read the analysis or are you referri...jojo, did you read the analysis or are you referring to comments? <br /><br />What is "all the focus" you are referring to?<br /><br />A child went missing and the mother did most of the speaking, therefore, she got the attention. <br /><br />Nowhere in the analysis is the mother indicated for guilt in the disappearance. <br /><br />There is, however, indicators of neglect, parentification and guilt over decision making. <br /><br />She also did not make a reliable denial, but this may be because she was not asked straight forward questions. <br /><br />A child went missing and the parent that did most of the speaking was the topic of analysis. It is the same, case after case. <br /><br />Peter Statement Analysis Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13607372649929274491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-88664648305876684772012-10-12T08:29:00.315-04:002012-10-12T08:29:00.315-04:00I don't understand all this focus on the mothe...I don't understand all this focus on the mother. Yes, her words show deception through SA. But that's all that can be concluded on it's own. Just as Marlene LeMar (Sierra's mom, i may have her name wrong) showed deception and sensitivity regarding the morning she last saw Sierra, and people were going off on wild tangents, theorizing "the boyfriend did it, mom's covering for him" and other such theories involving the mother and/or boyfriend, when all along Sierra had legitimately been abducted and murdered by someone other than family. SA can indicate deception and sensitivity but sometimes can only give a clue as to why (Sierra and her mom probably fought that morning and mom was feeling guilty over the last words spoken/heard by Sierra, as Peter suggested. Other cases, like Hailey's are more obvious). WHY is she deceptive? Odds are, she is dealing with tremendous guilt. Her actions/inactions allowed her daughter to be placed in a situation where she was abducted. Surely, she is suffering through "if only I had..." at this time. She more than likely did/does not want to appear to the entire nation as a lazy /selfish/ idiotic/ uncaring mother. Her guilt though, is not from direct involvement in the crime, but from believing (probably correctly) that had she done something differently, her daughter would not be missing/dead. SHE HAS BEEN CLEARED AS A SUSPECT. JoJonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-9745356152894512252012-10-12T04:01:37.870-04:002012-10-12T04:01:37.870-04:00I think your opinion probably will change when you...I think your opinion probably will change when you have your own kids and you see things like this happening every week all over the country.. your stomach will absolutely turn at the thought of how much evil is lurking, waiting to exploit a single moment of vulnerability. We parents have to be as active in preventing our kids from being victimized as these predators are in hunting them. Jennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-71567606306712283402012-10-12T01:39:24.307-04:002012-10-12T01:39:24.307-04:00I am not a parents but i personally do not feel pe...I am not a parents but i personally do not feel people should be labeled as a bad mother for letting there child walk to school. Maybe my opinion of that will change when I have kids. Reading some of these posts makes me feel sorry for some of the readers kids, not even allowed to play in the yard out of fear of abduction. But like i said i am npt a parent and may have a different opinion if i become one.shayshaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-45103076895048257752012-10-12T01:19:55.039-04:002012-10-12T01:19:55.039-04:00But if it is a medical issue causing her to be obe...But if it is a medical issue causing her to be obese and she emphasies her need for sleep those are both major symptoms of hypothyroidism. shayshaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-18497182937433320132012-10-12T01:12:58.409-04:002012-10-12T01:12:58.409-04:00She may not be mother of the year nut I am not goi...She may not be mother of the year nut I am not going to write her off as a murderer for beong obese. I was accused forover a year if being anorexic becausr i lost a large amount of weight and kept loosing until being diagnosed/treated with Graves disease. Things are not always as they seem and don't feel the mothers weight should be a factor in this.shayshaynoreply@blogger.com