tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post8554275923660908018..comments2024-03-18T04:20:15.987-04:00Comments on Statement Analysis ®: Missing: Nathan O'Brien, 5Statement Analysis Bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13607372649929274491noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-7809108100804958052014-07-13T14:56:24.825-04:002014-07-13T14:56:24.825-04:00Watch the family conference with the sound off and...Watch the family conference with the sound off and study the body language of each participant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-69268685789995006862014-07-06T10:25:37.233-04:002014-07-06T10:25:37.233-04:00still think the mom knows as watching the press co...still think the mom knows as watching the press coference its body language to. she gives off guilty mannerisms and her speech seems forced to show emotion vs the dad is clearly upset. I think its some twisted jelousy thing.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04555154013933327965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-33083339832151827562014-07-05T17:02:19.152-04:002014-07-05T17:02:19.152-04:00Anonymous said...
Reading these posts, I cant beli...Anonymous said...<br />Reading these posts, I cant believe how people are misinterpreting the poor family at the press conference. I watched the press conference, and I saw nothing deceptive from the parents. Stop being so ridiculous, until you have walked a mile in their shoes, you have no right to judge. What I saw at the press conference was a devastated family trying to cope. The obrien parents seem to have alot of integrity.<br />July 5, 2014 at 3:42 PM <br /><br />Did you read what I wrote on the statements?<br /><br />Next, you judge others for judging. <br /><br />Peter<br /><br />Statement Analysis Bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13607372649929274491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-92143072198039737292014-07-05T15:42:50.365-04:002014-07-05T15:42:50.365-04:00Reading these posts, I cant believe how people are...Reading these posts, I cant believe how people are misinterpreting the poor family at the press conference. I watched the press conference, and I saw nothing deceptive from the parents. Stop being so ridiculous, until you have walked a mile in their shoes, you have no right to judge. What I saw at the press conference was a devastated family trying to cope. The obrien parents seem to have alot of integrity.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-27974753292112200252014-07-04T23:12:38.826-04:002014-07-04T23:12:38.826-04:00Not for nothing, but I am a licensed mental health...Not for nothing, but I am a licensed mental health counselor and the mom appears to be medicated/on sedatives to me -- that would explain why some people may think she appears deceptive, is behaving bizarrely, or doing odd things with her eyes. I have seen grieving people on sedatives before and this is very similar to how they present. I would not be surprised if she had been prescribed a PRN to help her get through this incredibly traumatic time when her parents AND son are missing and likely dead or gravely injured. Can you even imagine?! I feel nothing but compassion for these two parents and the family -- no deception noted. Just my two cents.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-45345318413910470572014-07-04T17:22:45.259-04:002014-07-04T17:22:45.259-04:00Anonymous, you are correct we are missing many imp...Anonymous, you are correct we are missing many important details, and given what the police have now stated about the evidence of violence, it's quite possible the police told the parents something ominous so that they've accepted it's likely Nathan won't be coming home. It is far too early to judge anyone, no question. However, given the emphasis on this blog and countless others on the significance of people using the past tense so early on in a missing person case, especially mothers of missing children, it took me by surprise that Jennifer's multiple slips weren't even mentioned. <br /><br />If there was something in her statement or demeanour that supersedes the significance of more than one past tense faux pas, I didn't see it. Perhaps there are indeed important nuances that distinguish this difference? <br /><br />It certainly looks like the police are focusing on that green truck so it's likely they have more evidence about the potential perp(s) than they're willing to share, and rightly so. I hope they get the break they need now the public has the photo, as that truck does look quite distinct.<br /><br /> Rhinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-31924023752945870622014-07-04T14:21:14.910-04:002014-07-04T14:21:14.910-04:00Marlene Lamar acted the same way as Jennifer O Bri...Marlene Lamar acted the same way as Jennifer O Brien. Everyone said that Marlene was acting very strangely indeed. Marlene knew all along that Sierra was dead because the cops told her that her daughter was dead. The cops asked Marlene to put on an act and she obliged them. Could be the same with Jennifer OBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-82543084247931966312014-07-04T13:32:33.435-04:002014-07-04T13:32:33.435-04:00Does Jennifer O'Brien believe her son is an an...Does Jennifer O'Brien believe her son is an angel now, with his great-grandmother?<br /><br />That is the impression I get. Sad. :(Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-81625584311982279782014-07-04T13:07:20.882-04:002014-07-04T13:07:20.882-04:00http://www.hffs.com/memsol.cgi?page=documents&...http://www.hffs.com/memsol.cgi?page=documents&user_id=484442&MAIN_EVENT=MEMSOL&SUB_EVENT=VIEW_GUESTBOOK<br /><br />"10/05/2011 - <br />Jennifer O'Brien<br /> <br />You are safe up there, you are everywhere, just like the sky."<br /><br />Maybe explains the looking skyward?<br /> <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-14460092420474054222014-07-04T12:21:47.965-04:002014-07-04T12:21:47.965-04:00BTW, note the use of "your angel" in the...BTW, note the use of "your angel" in the obituary for Nathan's great-grandmother. That's the term used in the press conference by Nathan's dad.<br /><br />I also think there's something odd about Nathan's mom and dad not directly addressing the grandparents. Mom Jennifer was closing her eyes when she talked. Was she having trouble saying what she did with conviction?<br /><br />FWIW, the family ties to Evansburg are intriguing. I found evidence that an Alvin C. Liknes bought property there at the turn of the century, with an Allen J. Liknes. This area is part of the story of three missing seniors: Lyle and Marie McCann, and Jean Roelfsema. The McCanns are still missing, but Jean Roelfsema's body was found near Barriere, B.C. Then there are the Calgary missing seniors Allen and Margaret Berrington, found dead in a remote wooded area, after heading to the Grey Eagle Casino for supper. Or Otto "Bunty" Loose, whose vehicle was found parked near the Grey Eagle Casino. The answers are known only in the Bunty Loose story. All are missing or dead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-61917911173047218292014-07-04T12:09:18.851-04:002014-07-04T12:09:18.851-04:00I don't know your background, but what is your...I don't know your background, but what is your opinion on this:<br /><br />http://www.betternetworker.com/members/kathy_liknes<br /><br />From what I can tell, this was posted in 2011, when Nathan already had an older brother. Then there's this:<br /><br />http://yourlifemoments.ca/sitepages/obituary.asp?oid=540006<br /><br />What is it with one grandchild being singled out through two generations of his mother's family? This strikes me as odd, and makes me think of a whole lot of possibilities as to who might have taken Nathan O'Brien.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-90591885309307053522014-07-03T22:37:34.548-04:002014-07-03T22:37:34.548-04:00Hello Hobs, and thank you for answering my questio...Hello Hobs, and thank you for answering my question :) <br /><br />The way you explained it makes it clear and makes sense of the difference to me.Juliettenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-24268934810830826882014-07-03T21:53:14.996-04:002014-07-03T21:53:14.996-04:00Rhi said:
After watching the police update today, ...<b>Rhi said:<br />After watching the police update today, my sense is that it’s either Jennifer’s statement and behaviour that’s moved the investigation forward, or they have a solid lead on someone seen at or leaving the house between 10pm and 10am (witness or from all the CCTV they apparently have). The detective sure did seem confident they knew much more than they did 24 hours earlier, and he made a point of mentioning the CCTV footage several times.<br /><br /><br /></b><br /><br />You and I are hearing the same things the same way. I'm feeling hopeful that there will actually be a conclusion. I hope it's that Nathan and his grandparents come home "safe". God speed to them and to their suffering family.Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09150573665283919209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-8188524115594226442014-07-03T21:26:32.827-04:002014-07-03T21:26:32.827-04:00Nic, you’re right about how overwhelming those big...Nic, you’re right about how overwhelming those big/downsizing moves can be, and when we helped my grandparents move years ago we had a charity come and haul almost everything away. It was emotional but it made it much easier on both of them, and us.<br /><br />Given the sheer number of strangers welcomed into the Likness house, there are so many possible explanations for the disappearances, and I agree with you that Kijiji could be either a “set-up” conveniently used by someone involved who is known to the family, or it could be a straight forward home invasion gone wrong. There certainly is no shortage of people victimized through the ads they place online. Also, someone planning to rob the grandparents would likely assume they’d have lots of cash on hand after a three day estate sale. I suspect this is another reason police want to interview all the people who bought items, so they can estimate how much money is/is not missing. <br /><br />I'm hoping this turns out to be one of those bizarre cases with a happy ending, and you’re right too that Nathan’s father made a point of saying he wasn’t supposed to be there. This supports the idea that his disappearance is a tragic coincidence, and perhaps he will end up being returned to his family. As a mother of a small child and very close to my parents, I don’t want to imagine what this family is going through. <br /><br />After watching the police update today, my sense is that it’s either Jennifer’s statement and behaviour that’s moved the investigation forward, or they have a solid lead on someone seen at or leaving the house between 10pm and 10am (witness or from all the CCTV they apparently have). The detective sure did seem confident they knew much more than they did 24 hours earlier, and he made a point of mentioning the CCTV footage several times. Rhinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-20208202750841518482014-07-03T20:54:30.317-04:002014-07-03T20:54:30.317-04:00Rhi said:
it's much rarer for a robbery to tur...<b>Rhi said:<br />it's much rarer for a robbery to turn into a kidnapping/murder of three people, than it is to be a crime of acquaintance.</b><br /><br />Exacty. Kijiji (and the horrible events surrounding it) is what really makes one take notice. As in, is it part of 'a set-up'? Or is this truly some third-party sicko/s casing the house and then invading it and secreting three victims.Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09150573665283919209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-56746360521855347292014-07-03T20:39:46.977-04:002014-07-03T20:39:46.977-04:00Rhi, we have a lot of life changing events at my e...Rhi, we have a lot of life changing events at my end. We just emptied my in-law's house of 50+ years. We "kids" took care of it for my 83 y/o f-i-l. He would be very frustrated at how much was "left" whenever he would drop by. It was very overwhelming for him. I made reference to my mom's place where the four of us lived. It's just her now. Our stuff is not there, it's all her, floor to floor, corner to corner. I said to my f-i-l that my brother and I joke that when my mom dies, we're calling 1-800-Diabetes Ass'n. they will come and haul it all away (and sell it for profit). That said, maybe they had made arrangements for "someone" to come in a haul away what was left? <br /><br />Yes, tomorrow will hopefully shed some light on the case. Everyone I know is talking about this case and we all say the same thing. There is just so many strange things about it. Like you said, the three of them disappearing into the night without a trace is remarkable.Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09150573665283919209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-91904849708053978612014-07-03T20:33:18.975-04:002014-07-03T20:33:18.975-04:00Anonymous, my understanding is there was enough ev...Anonymous, my understanding is there was enough evidence at the house for the police to confidently say the grandparents did not leave of their own free will. A few reporters took photos and talked about a dark stain on a walkway leading from the house that looked like it'd been washed away, but until the police confirm what it is, it's impossible to say if it's "drag marks" as some are suggesting.Rhinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-26584136258933899352014-07-03T20:30:26.773-04:002014-07-03T20:30:26.773-04:00There were reports about blood which one reporter ...There were reports about blood which one reporter wanted clarification about this afternoon. Calgary police wouldn't confirm either way (integrity). So maybe that is why they've used the word "alive" as opposed to "safe" or "unharmed". <br /><br />Past-tense aside, the mother 'lit' at the notion that they would see Nathan again. She was positive about this. She was pointed in saying that Nathan wasn't suppose to be there. So maybe this is a case of abduction and it has to do with the parents/kijiji scam gone wrong and Nathan got caught up in the crime. Wrong place, wrong time.<br /><br />Prayers for Nathan and his grampa and gramma and family. I couldn't imagine living their nightmare. Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09150573665283919209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-15348177908385635762014-07-03T20:28:50.323-04:002014-07-03T20:28:50.323-04:00Sorry it took me a minute to find this....
http://...Sorry it took me a minute to find this....<br />http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/calgary/Amber+Alert+What+know/9995113/story.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-41834992229991998392014-07-03T20:28:30.271-04:002014-07-03T20:28:30.271-04:00Hi Nic, I hear ya. It's funny, sometimes it...Hi Nic, I hear ya. It's funny, sometimes it's hard to say why a case like this twigs a gut feeling things aren't as they seem, while others seem so clear cut they don't provoke much thought at all. <br /><br />I haven't found any reports the police revealed anything about what was sold/not sold, or what state the house was in the next morning. A couple of people who attended the sale said there was a lot of furniture not sold as it was quite old and the house looked like it had never been renovated. So, it may be plausible they had enough stuff to spend the night and keep their grandson. Mainly I'm curious to find out who saw all three last and when, apart from Jennifer.<br /><br />What bothered me most beyond Jennifer O'Brien's statement is the fact she was the last to see all three alive and the first to report them missing, and my belief that it's much rarer for a robbery to turn into a kidnapping/murder of three people, than it is to be a crime of acquaintance. That said, it also seems highly unlikely to me that one person could overpower two adults and dispose of the evidence, and there isn't a hint of any possible motive yet beyond a burglary gone wrong.<br /><br />The head detective said they'd be doing another update tomorrow and I thought he hinted that they'd be revealing something new. So we'll see!Rhinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-62259165330552646152014-07-03T20:20:02.951-04:002014-07-03T20:20:02.951-04:00Anonymous, the grandparents were publicly excluded...Anonymous, the grandparents were publicly excluded very early on. I don't recall anyone else specifically identified as being excluded. Maybe I missed this?<br />Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09150573665283919209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-31645236432408077682014-07-03T20:09:11.171-04:002014-07-03T20:09:11.171-04:00I agree, I was wondering why the parents and grand...I agree, I was wondering why the parents and grandparents were excluded as suspects. After watching the press conference with the parents, I noticed that the mother was not at all emotional - the voice changes seemed put on. The rest of the family seemed genuine in their upset though. Praying for this little boy and still hoping for a positive outcome! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-36736335360942810172014-07-03T20:01:37.425-04:002014-07-03T20:01:37.425-04:00Rhi, okay, so I'm not the only one. My husban...Rhi, okay, so I'm not the only one. My husband and I were discussing this over dinner and he said that listening to the reports on the radio his ears "perked" at Calgary police saying that they were hopeful to find them "alive". He said that usually they'll say "unharmed" or "safe". He found it dramatic. Of course it could just be the person's vernacular. <br /><br />Statement analysis aside, the other thing that sticks in my craw is that they finished three days of a garage sale. It literally sounds like they were selling everything. So why at the end of selling the contents of their house for three days are they sleeping in it that night? I know I'm projecting, but at the end of three days of a "fire sale" and being left with ?, (maybe not even a bed to sleep in,) I would have pre-booked a hotel room and enjoyed not having to contend with anything. Just show up to dinner at the hotel restaurant and veg in comfy bed and watch TV. It's just seems weird that they would be cooking dinner (and maybe not have a table to eat at) and then load the dishwasher and not watch TV (because there isn't one anymore) and retire to an empty bedroom? To me it's just weird. Or maybe I'm weird.Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09150573665283919209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-27449000177257390862014-07-03T19:46:14.679-04:002014-07-03T19:46:14.679-04:00Like Nic, I too am surprised to see this analysis ...Like Nic, I too am surprised to see this analysis for the same reasons he mentions. When I watched the press conference yesterday, not only did the mother's physical demeanour seem oddly controlled and detached in comparison to the other family members, but her use of the past tense made my ears perk up more than once. She not only referred to Nathan in the past tense, but also Kathyrn, the relationship between Kathyrn and Nathan, and when describing how Nathan dressed etc. <br /><br />Also, perhaps I've grown too cynical over the years to be objective, but I didn't see her shed one tear, unlike the father and others who were clearly distraught and sobbing.<br />Rhinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-70503887659026367062014-07-03T16:52:16.523-04:002014-07-03T16:52:16.523-04:00Might be a copycat family abduction like the one f...Might be a copycat family abduction like the one family found deceased in the dessert after everyone accused them of everything under the sun so they could write a book. Maybe they told the wrong person at the estate sale their plans. Some people are so wrapped up in these reality murders they seem to try to out best the real murderers.<br /><br />I found an article about a college student that had just graduated law school when her neighbor and fellow law student stalked, murdered, and dismembered her...to commit the perfect crime.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com