Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Christopher Stevens, US Ambassador, Killed Over Movie

Islamic Intolerance
Angry at a movie being made in the US that ridicules Mohammad, Muslims killed the US Ambassador to Libya and 3 of his staff.

He was suffocated to death in attempting to move more staff to safety after coming under mortar attack.

Sean Smith was also killed after 21 years of service.  He had a wife and two kids.

The protests began after a video went online that Muslims found offensive.
Egyptian Muslim Protest Movie 

Islam remains the only major religion in which basic principles of violent subjugation are taught.

Women's rights, individuals' rights, freedom of religion and freedom of speech are anathema to Islam.

To embrace Islam is to embrace intolerance and be an enemy to liberty.

When President Bush said, 11 years ago, that terrorists had "hijacked a peaceful religion" he lied to the American people.

Would anyone have believed on September 11th, 2001, that within a decade a mosque would be constructed on the site of this vicious attack?


Tania Cadogan said...

Disgusting. My sympathies go out to the families and friends of those killed.

Terrorism is alive and well, disguised as religion.

Tania Cadogan said...

off topic

SEATTLE – Raffaele Sollecito, whose budding love affair with American exchange student Amanda Knox helped land him in an Italian prison for four years, maintains the couple's innocence in a new book but acknowledges that their sometimes bizarre behavior after her roommate's killing gave police reason for suspicion.

The pair was imprisoned for the November 2007 death of Meredith Kercher at Knox's apartment in Perugia, north of Rome. An appeals court overturned their conviction and freed them last fall, issuing a 143-page opinion that blasted the utter lack of evidence against them. Rudy Guede, a petty criminal who was convicted separately, remains imprisoned and is serving a 16-year-sentence.

Sollecito's book, "Honor Bound," is due out Sept. 18. The Associated Press purchased a copy Tuesday.

In it, he describes how the early days of their relationship became a nightmare: the horror of Kercher's slaying; the misunderstandings that swept them up in the case; their tabloid portrayals as two suspects unrecognizable to themselves.

Knox became "Foxy Knoxy" and received the brunt of the attention as she shopped for underwear after the killing and turned cartwheels in front of investigators. While police investigated the crime scene, Sollecito caressed her and they kissed, unaware of the television news cameras across the street.

Later at the police station she climbed in his lap and draped her arms over him, making Sollecito uneasy, he said.

Police found their behavior "odd" and he acknowledged they had no "real alibi the night of Nov. 1 except each other."

Knox is also writing a book, due out next spring. Her deal, with HarperCollins, is reportedly worth $4 million.

The couple were arrested several days after Kercher's death and later convicted in proceedings that made headlines around the world. Prosecutors portrayed the case as a drug-fueled sexual assault, and Knox and Sollecito were sentenced to 26 years and 25 years, respectively.

The appeals court found the prosecution's theory to be unsupported by any evidence. Prosecutors have appealed the acquittal, and Italy's highest court will hear their arguments next March.

Sollecito frequently criticizes the police for their handling of the case, reaching for a far-fetched conspiracy instead of the simpler explanation that Guede had on his own committed a burglary gone wrong.

Tania Cadogan said...

Sollecito, then finishing his undergraduate studies in computer science, writes that he met Knox at a classical music concert at the Universita per Stranieri, the University for Foreigners, on Oct. 25, 2007 -- a week before Kercher's death. He asked for her number, and she told him to come by the bar where she'd be working later that night. At the end of the shift, he writes, they took a walk, held hands and kissed. She accepted an invitation to come back to his apartment and spent the night.

Soon the couple became inseparable. She began spending the nights at his apartment. They shopped for groceries together, and took a sightseeing day trip to Assisi.

Sollecito wrote about his first night in prison, saying he wavered between "great waves of indignation and a nagging sense of guilt." He said that while he knew he was innocent, he was angry at himself for having a foggy memory of the night of the killing because he and Knox had smoked marijuana.

When they were finally acquitted, Sollecito writes that he felt "indescribable joy." He remembers looking at the police, hoping to see them appear defeated, but they wouldn't look at him. He saw Knox sobbing, and they later had a private moment in the basement of the courthouse, waiting to be taken back to prison one last time. According to Sollecito, she squeezed his hand and said she couldn't wait to see her home and friends.

Knox moved back to Seattle. It's not clear where Sollecito is living.

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Justice for Kate!!! said...

OT : Peter please, please can you cover the letter/ confession of Sean Phillips father of Baby Kate Phillips. It was released yesterday and it is allegedly his written account of what he did with Katherine on June29, 2011. This was released via the press after the stunning announcement of Sean and Ariels marriage.

Anonymous said...

This is a horrible thing. I read moments earlier in a CNN News Report that
Ambassador Stevens and his three associates had died of suffocation and
smoke inhalation in the building that was set ablaze by the mortar attacks.
God only knows what the real truth is, in light of the fact that we
get erroneous or misstated news articles from the media all day every day.
However it happened, these servants of our conutry suffered a gruesome death
at the hands of terrorists; as Hobnob so aptly said, "disguised as religion."

As to President Bush lying; he lied to us on many occasions. He had this
country so hoodwinked that it's appaling and beyond belief; we learn something
new about his lies and trickery almost daily. Just today I read several CREDIBLE
statements relating to threats that we were going to be attacked by these
terorists; wherein there is PROOF that George W. Bush and Condi Rice KNEW this
was coming months prior to the attacks on the Twin Towers on 9/ll, all ignored.

I knew when I saw his facial expression while being told about the attacks as he
sat reading a goat story to an elementary class in Fla, when he didn't budge or
flinch for a few moments, that he wasn't surprised. His knowledge of the
expectation was written all over his silly face. Then, UNBELIEVABLY, he went on
to be REelected for a second term in office, while we were already going down
the tubes financially and the deaths of our people (and others) were piling up.

The reports that are leaking out NOW as to what, how much, and when he knew
certain detrimental highly placed security issues comes as no surprise to me as
he sat around claiming to be a christian and deceiving the people. I am not
raising political issues here, as I am a registered Independant; but if one
seriously spent time really thinking about and researching all the damage
that HE and his administration did to this country, (which BTW, we have no
recovery from); it would be obvious that George W Bush and Dick Cheney AND
their regime' single-handedly destroyed this country, (and several others),
beginning with our economy and in every other way short of getting all of our
brains blown out. I might add, HE'S responsible for the death of Ambassador
Stevens and his three associates as well.

I hope the drunk b'stard drinks himself to death. Sorry, but that's the
way I see it and that's the way I feel. Fl Anon

Lemon said...

Your wish of harm to others is unseemly and disturbing.

Nic said...

It's being reported that the video had been on YouTube for weeks/months. That [they] took the opportunity to use it as an excuse to inflict more terrorism -- on the US Ambassador and his employees. A sick 9/11 celebration of sorts.

God speed to Stevens, his staff and families.

John Mc Gowan said...


Is Nancy Grace going over the top?

Tiara' mom speaks on toddler 'smoking'!

Tania Cadogan said...

The Letter

This is what you want, OK. I always felt that I needed to do this in person. That you deserved that, and that we would both need each other for that.

Also didn't feel safe writing these things anyways. Still dont, but this can't wait any longer.

I think I could even make it though talking about that day here now.

I cry trying to talk about much less. I just wanted to leave that day Ariel. I was surprised when you opened my door and that you could have even made it down there fast enough to catch me. That and almost everything I don't think I need to say or do you actually believe the shit you told them?

When I brought you back I didn't park, so that you would just get out and not pull any more shit to try to keep me there longer. Even when you sat there with the door open and foot out and I had to interrupt you three times with "I don't care" before you got out. You said something like "whatever fuck you" and "I'm gonna ruin your life" then walked around and spent a minute getting Kate out.

I was pretending to be busy why my phone or something so you would hopefully just leave me alone. Heard the door shut, saw you walk off. Your hands in front of you not on your sides. Like you were holding Kate. I drove away. A blonde lady by the office and I looked at each other as I passed.

There was some stuff I wanted to get done in town but I was tired and hung over and trying to decide whether to put it off till another time. Stopped at Wendy's to get something to eat and for time to make up my mind, but mostly to piss.

The phone kept ringing there. I went back to the car and ate. The whole time that fucking phone wouldn't stop ringing. I could feel through my shorts to hit the volume button to silence a call, but the seat was too far up for me to get it out of my pocket to make it stop ringing because the car seat was in the way. It was driving me crazy and I was so mad at you. For that day for everything lately, for everything ever maybe ever.

When I tried to move the seat back to get the phone it was blocked by that car seat and I was pissed that you left it in there just to try to make me bring it back later. So pissed that I got out and was going to just throw it out into that area between Burger King.

I pulled but it was jammed between the seats. That just made it worse. I grabbed it at the top and ripped it out as hard as I could. She was thrown from it. I didn't know. I'm so sorry.

Held her for a long time. Seemed like forever. Maybe an hour, maybe a minute. Might not have been long. I can't explain a lot. Some things can only be lived. In a way I couldn't understand it. It didn't seem real. I didn't want it to be. It felt like falling, and like my head would explode. Couldn't think. Couldn't do anything. It eventually sunk in or something. I started crying. Couldn't stop. I've never cried that hard, seemed like my throat was closing. Mind was racing, yet I couldn't think. I guess I was in shock. I never even tried to help her. Never even thought to. Just sat there, holding her. I don't think anything could have been done.

Still I used to hate myself for not trying. Think I was there an hour and that after like a half hour and that it wasn't till right before I left that I realized calling 911. It was to late. I wouldn't be able to talk. I wouldn't know what to say anyways. I couldn't bring myself to pick up that phone. Scared of it and of the world. In a way I felt like it had killed her. You and it. I needed to believe I didn't hurt her that it was all your fault.

That sounds wrong, but I can't explain it right. A part of me knew I was losing Haley too. When I realized how long I must have been there seemed like even less of an option. I never decided to leave or anything. There was this urge or something I can't explain. Needed to get away from there or just do something, anything.

Nic said...

Anon, the US economy tanked because of :

In short, the financial greed and wheeling and dealing of Wall Street.

Tania Cadogan said...

I drove, not to anywhere or for any reason. Just drove. A few things I suddenly realized I was driving, but couldn't remember how I came to be or where I was. Almost crashed twice. The second time I stopped and pulled off the road. I needed out of that car, and I just walked off. After a while I stopped.

For the first time I could think some. Thought about Kate. Her smile, the way she looks around. Everything, what should have been. Id held her all this time, couldn't bring myself to really look at her though I did now. I wanted to kill you. I cried. I cried until I somehow I couldn't anymore.

She was set in a peaceful place. I was walking and lost. Couldn't breath hardly.

Thought about sitting down and waiting to die of dehydration. Felt close. Then I was driving and for the first time I realized I had left her. I wanted to die. Couldn't bring myself to crash but didn't try not to . No seatbelt, paying no attention. Almost did once, instinct or whatever made me save it. Another time I almost hit another car. After that I drove normal, couldn't bear the thought of hurting anyone else while trying to hurt myself.

Then I was close to home and drying of thirst. Tried to detach myself. Already was in some way.

Went home to be alone and to get a drink. Stood in the middle of my room. Was still there for a while thought about taking my gun and leaving. Me, not you anymore. Wanted to go to you but I wasn't ready for that.

My mom bothered me about the phone again and I knew I had to return the call. I just needed to be alone. I wasn't ready to talk to anyone. Just said you should have her. Its true. Only wanted them to go away, when that didn't happen I thought I had just committed to that story. That to change it would throw away any chance I had. That they would never believe me because of it being that day. And never believe how she came to be left there. Also figured it a reasonable story.

I didn't think they could keep me for more than a couple days at the most. That didn't happen. When I met Annette I begged to talk to you alone. They said no. Paul made it clear he doesn't give a shit about me or Kate or you. They weren't willing to let me talk to them not that I would. I needed you. Not Tom Posma in a cold room on video. They even tried everything to keep me from talking to you about that day. I didn't accept that I wasn't getting out and getting to talk to you till about 2 weeks + in.

After the first couple days it had seemed harder to do the right thing. I expected to be let out after the prelim. It crushed me. Like you just implied that you really don't give a fuck about Kate, only who does and does not get in trouble. And right before that I got Kenny, April dads interviews. They all said you don't act like your child is missing or anything.

Then you were always trying to get recordings for court and saying stupid shit on phones. At that point I wanted you to go to prison.

Before then, I'm sorry I lied about Kate being ok. I wanted to tell you the truth so bad, to hold you, to be held. I said that because I thought you would do something then. Couldn't believe you wouldn't just get me the fuck out or make them allow us to talk.

For a long time blocked that day and Kate from my mind. Almost refused to acknowledge it to myself. Eventually I thought I would just never tell you what happened. It had already been so long w/o me being able to. That changed. The day I was found innocent I was going to go to you.

Tania Cadogan said...

It was a long time before I started thinking about her and that day. The nightmares, panic attacks, nothing would get better. Think about it all was horrible, but it has helped. I use to hear my heart racing and almost collapse just from seeing a picture of her. I can smile now. I can remember her the way you do, and not another way as well.

I don't' think you could ever understand. Some things I don't completely. I never decided to pick her up. Never decided to call or not call 911, or to leave, or to set her down. It was like I was watching these things, not doing them, not sure what I'm seeing.

The only time I thought and anything was ? was when I was standing outside and then from when I almost hit that car. I wasn't dumping a body, wasn't like that at all. I want her buried too. I don't know where she was left. Some idea. Feel like I could get there. No, its not some fucking swamp or lake. I know if they had left me alone I would have came to you that day.

I was thrown into the worst possible thing at the worst possible time. Everything just happened, and I never had the chance to do the right thing.

There's been other letters to you. Ones that never were sent. Oddly this one has done the worst of all in telling you, yet its the one Im making myself send. If I don't again then when? There will never be one I feel right with. These things mostly need to be talked about in person. Annette has the original, tear soaked one. Addressed to you, only it includes that lie about me thinking you could have possibly killed her.

Theres still a lot things I don't understand. 90% of the things you told them were lies. Some things I don't know if it was me or them you lied to them some other things. At the time it was something how you used her and acted a lot of the time like you could give a fuck less about her.

How you kept dragging out the adoption, which would just make it harder on her. Couldn't believe you wanted to do that test before finishing the adoption that day, just to make me pay. I never once thought you had any intention whatsoever of keeping her.

Still don't know why

so many of the things you did said or whatever. Blamed for so long. Theres so many stupid little things that could have made such a difference. things as small as a phone call or using the bathroom.

Both of us fucked up some. Id give anything to go back. To that day, January, the summer I went to Georgia.

I want my parents to know. Things spouses tell each other is confidence cant be made to testify. But we aren't married yet in the eyes of the government. Then hearsay cant be used, so if you told then it would be hearsay as it didnt come from me. But Grand Jury can sometimes allow hearsay. Could you ask your attorney about that stuff? If you want to ask me things try to do it all at once. So we arent hearing incriminating stuff more than we need to.

Out of time for mail. Destroy theses. We'll talk.
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Periwinkle Paisley said...

I think it is unfair to lump all Muslims together. There are examples of evil acts done for 'the greater good' in almost any religion, both historically and in current events, especially the so-called "peaceful" religion of Christianity. In the Bible there are numerous examples of what should be done to women who are adulterous, practice witchcraft or are not properly behaved. How many wars have been started because someone claimed it was 'God's Will?' Any piece of religious text, whether it is the Bible, the Koran or the Torah can be twisted around in order for unscrupulous leaders to subjugate the weak and the foolish, and they have been time and time again. All muslims are not like Mohammed Atta and his gang of thugs any more than all Christians are like Fred Phelps and his coven of hatemongers. Stereotypes are dangerous and are born out of fear. A wise person once said: Fear leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. And yeah, I know that was Yoda but that doesn't make it any less true.

Amaleen6 said...

It is a terrible thing, and there will be nasty repercussions, I'm sure. Unfortunately, there's nothing any one of us can personally do, except refuse to live in fear. I feel bad for his family.

Lis said...

It is terrifying what human beings can do to each other when they cease to view one another as human.

Some say that it isn't fair to blame all the Muslim religion for these acts of a few; others say that when the texts and the faith of the religion itself teaches that violence is acceptable to achieve the final goal (the subjugation of all the world to Islam), this end result is inevitable.

Japan utilized religion to motivate the masses during WWII and it unleashed a monster that the creators could not control. After the war, they vowed never to allow such a situation to occur again.

What I see in this is that in the future the government will begin to decide if religion's teachings are likely to inspire violence and will begin to exercise control over what any religion can teach. We will see oppression then.

BostonLady said...

I'm reading that this attack was Al Qaeda in retaliation for killing one of their exhalted murdering scum leader. The only way they know how to fight it to kill unarmed civilians. They used the movie to incite and they got in to attack.

Look how the morons were led like sheep.

It's a very difficult world we live in now. Evil is infiltrating on all levels in the name of peace.


And FlAnon, give it up. This isn't George Bush's fault. The issue with al qaeda was there long before he took office. Put the blame where it belongs on the murderous scum who only know how to attack civilians that cannot fight back.

Tania Cadogan said...

Hi periwinkle.
I agree not all muslims are terrorists, however their religion demnds all non believers be killed.
Apostates (those he change to another religion) are to be killed.
How can any peacful religion that advocates treating everyone as equals, which advocates peace between races, that preaches tolerance stand up against a warlike religion that has interesting and barbaric deaths for non-believers?

It is no good saying I love you like my brother when the other person is killing you because you are a non muslim?

Islam is not a religion of tolerance, it is not a religion of equality, it is a religion of rules that must be followed to the extreme.
It is a requirement that non believers must be converted by the sword if needs b.

How can anyone protect hemselves againts terrorist acts?
Most religions teach that suicide is wrong and will be punished.
Suicide bombers were a rarity, leave a bomb, run away live to fight another day.
Now we are facing extremists that have no fear of dying, they believe they go to paradise to meet 76 virgins.
There is nothing they fear, if they live they will try again, if they die they go to paradise, it's win-win.
The fear of death does not exist.
One dies others flock to replace them.
They now use women willing or otherwise as human bombs knowing women are not checked as well as men, heck under a burkah we hav no idea if it is even a woman.
They use children willing or otherwise as human bombs.
Who do we trust?

In countries where we are trying to introduce democracy we can't even trust the men we are training.

Even in Islam we have muslims killing muslims simply because they have sligtly different beliefs, shi'ite against sunni and vice versa and all the ones in between.

Millions have died because of religion, any religion ( i am not too sure buddhists have murdered anyone for not being buddhist)
Christians murder each other because they worship the same god differently.

Personally i think religion as it is today was brought about centuries ago to stop the masses revolting and killing the rich and powerful.
You may be poor in this life but you will be rich in the next etc etc.

Many mock those that worship the elemements. the pagans, aboriginal peoples, islanders that think Prnce Philip is a god, yet they see their gods all around them, they can feel and touch their gods whereas the main religions believe in a god they cannot see or touch physically.

The way i see things heading eventually there will be only one religion (since all non believers will be dead) or there will be no religion due to all the atrocities perormed in the name of which ever god(s) you believe in

Anonymous said...

Many people have been killed or at least lost their rights over a movie or the copyrights leading to a movie. The ambassadors should enjoy no less.

If you just keep quite, they'll catch them. Works everytime! Or, so they think.

Nope they aren't playing possum.

Anonymous said...

@Anon 12:26

All one had to do was look for the Army of One bumper stickers.

A system that repeatedly fails, but they keep using it time after time.

sidewalk super said...

The news picture shoes the ambassador, beaten, kicked, nose looks broken, looks like he's been kicked in the mouth, arms are limp, he's been carted god knows where upside down on a thug's shoulder so his entire upper body is discolored, there are other areas of his face that look awry, and he's been hit in the kidneys. Looks like ribs are broken. I wonder if the autopsy results will be published. Or hidden? I would want the world to know what these murderers did to my ambassador.

And our president is out campaigning........

Did our president so reduce our intelligence operatives that this is the result? No one saw this coming on September 11, of all days to be alert? Or, did they get the rumblings, and ignored them?

Our president is out campaigning.......

sidewalk super said...

I would bet the Israeli intelligence heard rumblings.

deb said...

i'm glad you published the awful picture- ppl need to see. I dislike this religion- but then i dislike all religions- but this one most of all- becoz it hates women and advocates honor murders and sexual mutilation- of women, of course- and is basically just all hate-based. I get physically ill when i see a women with the head covering- knowing what they are perpetuating and what fools they are. all religions are so bad tho- ppl will be imprisoned by these silly belief-systems until they evolve to the point of being able to seek, and embrace truth- and get past all this pre-package "opium for the masses" garbage.

Anonymous said...

Hobnob has stated what many journalist beleive and what is taught in many secular schools today. And, who knows? If they keep up the one world religion and keep pushing their agendas, it could happen.

Within that lies part of what other commenters are illuding to, blaming Israel, blaming the President's faith, blaming intelligence operatives.

Historically, just attack any part of America and you'll own it as Americans will always turn on their own and side with the attacker.

Most of what people write do as the religions do-seek to garner a following that will obey mindlessly whatever they are pushing beit conspiracy, religion, non-religion, sex/drugs,etc.

Truth is: most could care less. They'll idolize one person such as a movie star or other TV or sports figure.

The dumbing down of operatives is a hilarious statement given the system of how others expect everyone else to do their jobs for them and sit aimlessly and admire the one person-or committee-that takes credit for their work.

Look how many times NG and her flock rehash whatever wrong a person has done. Typically, these are poor people that cannont afford the best advice. They'll smooze them, side with them, then viciously turn on them and rake them over the coals (which is why they are there in the first place but they aren't told this fact)so they can capitalize off their ignorance and poverty.

Would I listen to what a journalist had to say about religion or the lack thereof? Hell no!

sidewalk super said...

With all the electronics devices the murderers had, there are sure to be internet films of the ambassador being tortured and killed. And, maybe, just maybe, they will spur the appropriate American response/retaliation.
People, voting Americans, DO need to see the awful pictures.

Amaleen6 said...

It's one of my fondest hopes that the 72 virgins turn out to be camels or goats.

Anonymous said...

Nic, thank you for your reasonable and considerate response;
and I agree, Wall Street had much to do with our financial
decline, but NOT ALL. I KNOW what went down on Wall Street. I
was in the money markets at that time and am STILL on top of it.

Wall Street and it's big bucks CEOs and the big box banks had
nothing whatsoever to do with the attacks on 9/11 and Bush's
declaration of war against Sadam and Iran, and their utter and
total destruction which cost their country permanent pilfering
and destruction; (just like Wall Street had nothing to do with the
outsourcing of our jobs!); and cost US billions and billions of
dollars and the Iranians untold numbers of deaths and maiming of
lives in their country, NOT including the maiming and loss of lives
of our own military servants;

when these people had absolutely nothing to do with the horror
and destruction of the Twin Towers and the loss of 3,000+ lives
on 9/11. And what was Bush's reward upon Sadam's capture?
"I got'im for you daddy!" George speaking to his father, I HEARD
him say this in his delight of having finished off Sadam.

His only and primary goal was to "git Sadam" regardless as to
the cost, and regardless as to WHO attacked us during 9/11,
and to hell with the deaths of our own military and our
economy and the economy and lives of OTHER countries he dragged
into the frey; leaving tensions to spew and fester for YEARS.
And now the fallout from incurrable terminal illnesses that the
responders will never recover from.

NOPE, Wall Street wasn't there. THAT, my friend, was all
accomplised by George W. Bush whether anyone wants to admit it
now or not. HE ALONE called for this war, in defiance of Congress,
and anyone who can't see that; what more can be said? Not much.
Fl Anon

Anonymous said...

Anon 5:07 said:(just like Wall Street had nothing to do with the
outsourcing of our jobs!);

You are correct that Wall Street had nothing to do with it. In order to see how it all started you should jog your memory a little bit. Remember NAFTA? NAFTA alone did away with the rapid decline of the garment district. Now you have cheaper clothes, now you also get high unemployment, low quality material. This was not Bush's fault. This started happeninig during Clinton's watch.

Anonymous said...

Hobnob, thank you so much for posting Seans letter. What do you think of it? You have been a student of SA for a longtime and I really would like an analysis of the letter. About two hundred women have spent the last fourteen months looking for this baby and we are on points and needles about this letter. Please, please help!!

Justice for Kate!!! said...

Hobnob, thank you so much for posting Seans letter. What do you think of it? You have been a student of SA for a longtime and I really would like an analysis of the letter. About two hundred women have spent the last fourteen months looking for this baby and we are on points and needles about this letter. Please, please help!!

Tania Cadogan said...

He is being deceptive about what happened before he drove off and what happened at the car park regarding the car seat.
I have started doing an analysis so bear with me whilst i wade through it and then read and compare again to look for what i missed first time round ( and 2nd. 3rd,4th etc)

Justice for Kate! said...

Thank you Hob Nob. Truly.
The thousands of dedicated team Kate members are at a complete loss right now. If Kate is indeed deceased then it is time for the truth to come out.

sha said...

Darn that pesky God guy....He's always telling people to slaughter each other in his name.

arabella said...

I am sad to read Peter's comments here. I understand that many people have no actual understanding of Islam, as they have not studied it.
Personal feelings aside, I am grateful to be learning a lot about Statement Validity Analysis on this website.
I converted to Islam, a young woman who has been raised in North America all my life.
Islam gave women rights when they had none. Violence such as what happened on 9/11, what happened in Libya, what ISIS is doing today, is not tolerance. It is not taught in Islam. These people are not Muslims by practise; only by name.
Would you say the Catholics were truly following God's will during the Spanish Inquisition?
I would ask anyone who has these misconceptions about Islam to seek knowledge from one who has an understanding of Arabic and English. It is very hard to translate the words correctly, which is why there are many mistranslations online which falsely say beating of women, for example, is allowed. Trust me when I say, my husband is not allowed to raise a hand to me, for any reason whatsoever.
Sadly, it is all too easy to believe what the mainstream media is telling you, instead of forming an educated opinion.