Thursday, May 2, 2013

Billie Jean Dunn: Consciousness of Guilt

Sometimes it helps to step away from an issue and take a look at the larger scene.  It can be useful even in sorting out conflicting emotions, especially in light of new reports and breaking news.

In January of 2011, Billie Jean Dunn, mother of missing Hailey Dunn, 13, Texas, went on national television to talk about her daughter.  From this earliest public appearance, Statement Analysis concluded that the mother was deceptive, the child was deceased, and the mother's boyfriend was deceptive.  The analysis was met with no shortage of emotional response.

About a month later, the police affidavit supported the analytical conclusions.

The boyfriend, Shawn Adkins, was indicated for veracity when he said that Hailey would be found in Scurry County.

Last week, the bones found in Scurry County were positively identified as Hailey Dunn's remains.

The mother, Billie Dunn, has consistently spoken out publicly giving us much sample from which to work.  She has a small but vocal following in social media to which she has continued to post, in spite of any attorney's advice.

What has she said about this case?  There are three simple steps to observe:

I.  First she claimed no knowledge of what happened and defended the Boyfriend as innocent. She even was arrested for lying to protect him.
II.  She then announced that they were broken up, but still said he had nothing to do with it.

III.  .  April 2013  She now says he is a pedophile and child murderer.

Why, all of the sudden when the body is found, does she suddenly know that Shawn Adkins is a pedophile and a child murder?

Police did not give her any information about the remains other than that they were Hailey's.

Question:  Why would the finding of Hailey's body suddenly give Dunn all this information
unless she knew from the beginning?

Her posting will be likely used in trial, like so many other of her public statements, to show consciousness of guilt.

These are statements made in which the subject leaks out information while attempting to deceive, which indicate, as Kaaryn has repeatedly said, that "the brain knows what it knows."

It is similar to the example where, at the 6 month vigil of searchers, she said, "see you" in 6 months at the anniversary, which will be likely used in court to show that she had knowledge that Hailey was not going to be found (going against natural hope) and that the people  who were out searching for a living Hailey were held in contempt by her.

Consciousness of guilt.


Ugly field
She said she would not be searching the "ugly fields" which, again, may be heard in court, perhaps even in the penalty phase.  Should Adkins' attorney continue to press for a plea bargain, it will be many of these public statements of the mother that will then be viewed in light of her awareness of Hailey's death much like the statements of Casey Anthony were later viewed in light of her consciousness of guilt.  "In my heart, I know she's close, mom!"

Indeed.

Caylee was found down the block from their home, highlighting the principle Kaaryn referenced.  Even though someone wishes to deceive, it is difficult to hide the truth because when they go to choose words, the brain knows the truth and sometimes the words from memory slip out, or "leak out" inadvertently.  This is why lying, or deception, is stressful because it is difficult to keep track of that which is not stored in experiential memory and it is difficult, or stressful to avoid the words that are dangerously stored in experiential memory.

Her posts about someone "hurting Hailey" and "putting Hailey in danger", while being tried for being the one who murdered Hailey may then be seen as aggravating and insulting taunts by jurors who may be asked to decide if Dunn's life should be forfeited upon conviction of murder charges.  The audacity of a killer to claim that, before the remains were found, Hailey was being "hurt" by others, including the media outlet that released the fake letter about Hailey, will be of particular note of to what lengths the guilty party went to inflame the situation.  This will likely include her public accusation of conspiracy against federal, state and local law enforcement, as well as her insults and derogatory words about the polygrapher she called "devil."

All of these things make it an ever increasingly insurmountable job to portray her as a sympathetic character to a jury.

A jury will view not only the heinous nature of the act, but the behavior in the 2+ years since, when they are considering the forfeiture of the guilty party's life.

This is yet another reason why defense attorneys insist upon silence by their clients.

This was spoken weeks before the remains were identified as Hailey's.  Notice the article, "the" in the sentence as something chosen instinctively, without thought.  This was spoken while she was telling people to have "hope" and that "my daughter is coming home alive" and chiding anyone who doubted, yet she gives it away, again:

"I’m always worried about how I’m going to break the news to my son and my family and how to comfort everybody, but you can't, you just stay in a state of anxiety and scared until you learn the results." Said Dunn.

There is no possible "hope" in "the" news. 

Some attorneys will go as far as dropping a client who refuses to be silent.  They recognize the bigger picture and how even social media postings can be seen by a jury.  The following may be part of the prosecution visual display.  It may be seen as calloused, cruel, and as leakage in subtly blaming the victim in order to justify a guilty conscience.

Not so subtle blaming of victim 


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Listener said...

Below is the link to the video/interview that Channel 9 KWES TV in Midland, TX did with John Young tonight. His attempt to paint Billie in a sympathetic light is incredibly obvious, but his statement which stands out the most to me is this, "There are some evils against which humanity simply can not protect, and um, you know, that evil which would harm a young child is especially egregious."

Really????

Here are some ways I can think of right off the top of my head to protect a child from evil -- Don't let men you barely know move into your house and get access to your children. Don't let child porn, slasher movies, and similar evil filth into your house. Don't let people fascinated with death, murder, child porn, etc have contact with your children.

This is not a hard list to make. There are plenty of ways to bring evil into your house and into childrens' lives, and there are plenty of ways to keep evil away from children. Start with not inviting people who have evil, sick "hobbies" into your life, BJD.

I didn't have trouble coming up with those few ways to protect children from evil, but maybe that's just me.

Feel free to add to my list.

http://www.newswest9.com/story/22147915/exclusive-billie-dunns-lawyer-speaks-to-newswest-9

Anonymous said...

I just spent a good part of tei hours reading all these posts .... Sometimes its more interesting than the article (no offense Peter)! I don't post often but felt compelled to do so.

I was kidnapped and raped when I was 12 by two men. I don't take this lightly, I was told to not talk about it (other than the trial), it allowed me to be a victim all over again. I lived in Shame, fear, I blamed myself. Sometimes we need to talk about the uncomfortable so ( even if its just one person) knows their not alone, their going to be OK, help is out

S + K Mum said...

About the flowers, a small shop would order them in specifically so I doubt they would take returns (I know florists). Would it be more likely that flowers are ordered, paid for and possibly not delivered?

Awful thought. But how would the possible hundreds of purchasers even know if their flowers were there? Only those collected at the shop and taken to the service by purhcasers would know.

Anonymous said...

Please help find Ayla


Um…I left the house around 6:30 and got to work about 7.



SHAWN CALLED ME while I was at work that afternoon, I ASKED HIM ABOUT THE KIDS. HE TOLD ME that David wasn’t home yet. AND THAT HAILEY HAD LEFT TO GO TO Clint’s and was going to a friends to spend the night.



Normally I work 7 to 7 but I LEFT WORK EARLY THAT MONDAY, WE HAD a staff meeting and the person that was usually there to relieve me was at the meeting and offered TO COVER THE RAF, REST OF MY SHIfT since SHE WAS ALREADY THERE.



I CALLED Shawn TO MAKE SURE he would BE THERE to PICK ME UP.



We left the hospital bout 6:15.



WE STOPPED BY the atm CLOSE TO THE HOSPITAL TO GET SOME money out BECAUSE I WAS RUNNIN SHORT on cash.



THEN WE WENT BY MY MOM’S HOUSE TO CHECK on her, see if she needed anything.



Um… SHAWN AND I STILL GOT BACK TO Colorado City about 7:30 THAT EVENING.



An we were probably IN BED by nine.



Um… David ga, came in to say good-night soon after.



I WAS KINDA UPSET THAT Hailey hadn’t called me confirmed that SHAWN DID LET ME KNOW that SHE WAS staying THE NIGHT WITH HER friend, but I wasn’t worried ABOUT HER.



UM…I WENT TO bed.



Tuesday morning on the 28th, SHAWN AND I BOTH GOT up around 5:30, we left the house TOGETHER AROUND 6:20 TO GO to work. It’s not unusual FOR SHAWN TO TAKE ME to work, HE ALWAYS HAS TO BE there by 7, SOMETIMES HE HAD TO GO in earlier, but HE WAS ALWAYS told THE NIGHT BEFORE, and I WOULD ARRANGE TO GET ANOTHER ride ON THOSE DAYS. HE’D DROP ME off at the hospital at 7 , around noon I called David on my cell phone that I’d left at home. He told me Hailey wasn’t home yet so I ask him to text her friend…Um…see IF HAILEY WAS THERE and tell her to go ahead and come home.

Anonymous said...

Curiouser, ref your question last nite; it was in the early days shortly after Hailey 'went missing' that Billie was given a car, don't remember the make or model, but shortly thereafter she sold it. I don't recall at the moment what she did with the car she owned at the time Hailey 'went missing'. Maybe someone else will remember. I do know that she had many individuals and various missing children charities handing money over to her, also paying her utilities and other bills until they wised up. She had it made there for a while.

Anon1

Anonymous said...

Anonymous @ 3:18,

At the other site they rail against the things said on here. They can't find anything derogatory said here about Hailey, only her mother and SA. Their goal is to silence the truth.

They claim to want to be Hailey's voice and quote her saying she loved her family and interpret that to mean that she wouldn't want anything "bad" said about her mother. They victimize Hailey again, by trying to silence the truth , just as you were victimized each time you were told to keep it to yourself.

Thank you for truly speaking for Hailey and other victims of abuse. It's too late to help Hailey in any way other than to take her abusers off the streets.

Local anon said...

Here is the interview with John Young. Forgive me if it it has already been posted. I do not have time to read all 206 posts



By Devin Sanchez
NewsWest 9


Billie Dunn's attorney John Young spoke with NewsWest 9 Thursday to clear some things up.

Young told NewsWest 9 Hailey's remains are still being investigated, which is why they haven't been released to Hailey Dunn's mother, Billie. He also said regardless of what some may want to believe, Billie is just a mother, who will have to lay her child to rest, far too soon.




"We are not made privy or aware to how that investigation is proceeding," Young explained.




At this time, Dunn is not being questioned in the disappearance and death of her 13-year-old daughter who went missing from Colorado City more than two years ago.




"We have not been contacted by any law enforcement agency, other than to discuss the release of the remains," he said.




Billie has been informed of which law enforcement agency is rejoining the case.




"It's my understanding that the Texas Rangers and local law enforcement have asked, invited, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, which we think is a good thing. The goal is to find out what happened to Hailey," he said.




Hailey's remains were found back in March by Big Spring man, Curtis Lloyd. Lloyd was searching for fossils at Lake JB Thomas in Scurry County. Young explained how Billie felt that Hailey's remains were found so close to home.




"Anger in the sense that could more have been done, earlier? Could we have found her earlier?" he said.




The only person of interest ever named in the case is Billie Dunn's ex-boyfriend, Shawn Adkins. Attempts to reach out to Adkins and his lawyer have been unsuccessful. Young said he doesn't know where Adkins is.




"It's been several months, if not more, since Billie has had any contact with him," he said.




He kept mum on whether Billie was in Austin or Colorado City. Dunn moved to Austin less than a year after Hailey's disappearance.




"She's not in Colorado City, and I don't expect her to be back in the area until the remains are released and the memorial service is planned and it's time for that," he told NewsWest 9.




But Young did discuss how Billie is coping. He said she's just like any other mother who is experiencing the loss of her child.




"Certainly there is some anger in the result but really sadness and grief. She truly believed in her heart of hearts that her baby was coming home someday," he said.




As far as a memorial service for the slain teen, Young said the family is planning something that will celebrate both the life of Hailey and those who worked so hard to find her.


NewsWest 9 will follow any updates on the investigation and the memorial service.

Anonymous said...

I think Billie aligned herself with Clint just so she is in the know and can say she is the one planning the Memorial and that the body is being released to her.

I doubt LE is even releasing information to Clint knowing he is Billie's puppy dog lately.

S + K Mum said...

Thanks Local Anon.

I didn't know SA's had a lawyer, I probably missed that info on here. (I assumed he would have though).

John Young has been trying to contact them, why? To gain info since they are getting no information from LE about the investigation?

Is it usual for the mother of a murdered child's attorney to contact the POI or POI's attorney?

tick tock said...

The discovery of Hailey's remains reminded me of the story/filml "The Lovely Bones" and I pray her remains will tell the world what happened to her.

local girl said...

Small town

flower shops owned by friends of mother

% of all sales to mother.

simple

Dee said...

"Hailey's remains were found back in March by Big Spring man, Curtis Lloyd. Lloyd was searching for fossils at Lake JB Thomas in Scurry County. Young explained how Billie felt that Hailey's remains were found so close to home.

"Anger in the sense that could more have been done, earlier? Could we have found her earlier?" he said."

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Really??? He has the nerve to say that when his client sat on her a@@ watching her shows while others did the searching for her daughter?

I think the anger that BJD is feeling is that Hailey had the nerve to be found. BJD was doing just fine without her and now that Hailey has been found she is once again disrupting BJD's lifestyle.

Anonymous said...

Right on Dee, and still never thanked the guy who found the evidence either!

Anonymous said...

Dee, you stated in your post at 10:36 the same way I was thinking about Billie and her cockroach atty being critical of Haileys' bones being discovered; and AGAIN blaming Hailey as well. Danged right, she's madder than hell about it! But you might think her cockroach might show a little dignity and common courtesy to give the man a little weak thanks of his own.

You believe that b'tch, blaming others for not looking harder when she never searched for her own daughter the firt time!? What gall. What nerve. UnFrickenBelievable. Anon 1

Dee said...

Anonymous said...
Right on Dee, and still never thanked the guy who found the evidence either!

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I am amazed as worried as she is about portraying herself as a "grieving mother" and her "image" that she hasn't publicly thanked Curtis. Apparently she doesn't realize how bad it makes her look.

I'm worried about whether Clint will align himself with BJD. He's said in the past he didn't think SA would have hurt Hailey. Clint's mother showed support for BJD in a recent article when she said BJD was afraid of SA. She also subtly blamed Hailey for what happened by asking something to the effect of..what did she do that was so bad? I know they're mourning right now and are not responsible for Hailey's murder so it feels weird to question them but their behavior throughout this ordeal is just strange in my eyes. I don't get the support for BJD and the blaming of the victim.

Dee said...

Re: post at 12:14 pm...And here they come out of the woodwork. Lol Peter. I think you're ticking some people off! Keep up the good work.

Anonymous said...

I have tried to use SA principles and I have noticed that in Billie's entire statement she made about the memorial, she uses “I” when talking about the remains and talking to LE, but she uses “We” when talking about the memorial.

Billie said "I want her home,but am definitely not going to rush them."

"I want her home BUT, (The word but can refute, negate, or minimize what preceded it) am definitely not going to rush them." (Dropped pronoun: When pronouns are dropped, there is a decrease in commitment).

That's as far as I have gotten using SA, but I wanted to use the principles on this sentence that seems strange to me.

Anonymous said...

I find Billie's last sentence strange too. "Again thank you all so much for your prayers,your kindness,& your patience."

Why is she thanking us for our patience? And patience for what?

REK said...

i dont' recall seeing where peter says on this blog that SCAN is solid proof of anything. its a technique that uncovers patterns. if you are new here then I invite you to read and read..for days and weeks..and maybe then you will see... it is a valid and accurate technique. thats why I keep coming back. even if i'm a liberal ;)

REK said...

Katie..great point. Patience. that is very strange to thank her allies for their patience in many ways

Local anon said...

If Peter has ever made any claims about being degreed formally educated in Statement Analyis I haven't seen . When he writes of the theory he is applying he always credits the experts and encourages his readers to but their books, listen to their interviews etc. One does not have to be formally educated to be an expert. I am included on project teams in my company as a regulatory expert. I have no formall regulatory training, just an interest, learned the regulations and apply what I learn. Peter and Heather have expertise in Statement Analysis in the same way, they laerned it and they use it in their line of work.

Unknown said...

local girl said...
Small town

flower shops owned by friends of mother

% of all sales to mother.

simple


Flowers are a commodity with zero shelf time.
Once flowers cut three days max an there dead compost.

Flowers are also useally a limited market.
Mothers day sometimes high demand.

Haileys funeral will be a uniqe ocassion in a small town.
Intrest will be massive.
Flowers will be sent from in State out State.
Thousands of dollars will be spent on wreaths flowers ect.

And as I say within three days there willted dried out useless .
Bit like billiedunnothing.

Who is a frorist in small town hicksville going to off load all those perishible goods in 48 hours?

Is there another huge funeral next town over >
Is every married man in ths State going to suddenly want to buy there wife flowers.

When Diana Died in a car crash.
The streets surrounding Buckingham palace were neck deep in flowers for miles an miles.

Hundreds of thousands of pounds cservitive figure of cut flowers.
Couple of days later they were compost.

Money might not grow on trees.
But trees will happily grow in money.
Simples

Anonymous said...

A local anonymous confirmed the FBI are investigating online postings made by Billie and Shawn on various sites, comments made after Hailey's remains were discovered and comments made after LE officially confirmed the remains were Hailey's

You can bet your life the FBI are applying Statement Analysis as they're reading through Billie and Shawn's comments

Statement Analysis Blog said...

Statement Analysis is false because it showed Billie Dunn to be deceptive.

Polygraphs are false because they showed Billie Dunn to be deceptive.

FBI, Texas Rangers and Local Police are all false because they conspired against Billie Dunn.

Do I have it all yet?

Justice is coming.

Peter

Dee said...

"We are not made privy or aware to how that investigation is proceeding," Young explained.
*******************************
Why not Mr. Young? Hasn't the fact LE won't tell BJD anything ever made you go hmmm? Innocent mothers, although they may not be told gory details, ARE keep apprised of the status of investigations. Their child being missing/murdered shakes them to their core.
Oh wait, it's because they care - they ask because they have a deep seated want and need to know what happened to their child. BJD already knows what happened to hers. And she doesn't care.

Sorry for being snarky but BJD and her mouthpiece are realy getting to me with the woe is me routine.

Dee said...

Katie said...I have tried to use SA principles and I have noticed that in Billie's entire statement she made about the memorial, she uses “I” when talking about the remains and talking to LE, but she uses “We” when talking about the memorial.

Billie said "I want her home,but am definitely not going to rush them."

"I want her home BUT, (The word but can refute, negate, or minimize what preceded it) am definitely not going to rush them." (Dropped pronoun: When pronouns are dropped, there is a decrease in commitment).

That's as far as I have gotten using SA, but I wanted to use the principles on this sentence that seems strange to me.

***********************************
Katie...Just a thought. I don't know what her involvement is but maybe she is being shut out of the memorial planning and is sensitive about it causing the I to we switch.

"I want her home,but am definitely not going to rush them."
Definitely is an additional, unnecessary word. The sentence works without it. That along with the pronoun being dropped says to me that she's sensitive about how long it's taking to release Hailey's remains. She's scared.

Statement Analysis Blog said...

BJD's statement reveals the utter lack of communication from the FBI, TR, or local LE.

She's going to "let them" hang on to those remains while she posts about pedophilia on Facebook.

Unreal.

Peter

Anonymous said...

The delay in releasing the remains might have to do with a delay in issuing the death certificate

The death certificate has to be issued before the remains are released

There are a variety of what should be obvious reasons for the delay in releasing the death certificate

LE might want to keep sensitive details out of the media because sensitive details are the details that only Shawn and Billie know and as such are the details LE and the lawyers need Shawn and Billie to confirm in order to achieve justice for Hailey

Listener said...

*****

Anonymous said...
A local anonymous confirmed the FBI are investigating online postings made by Billie and Shawn on various sites, comments made after Hailey's remains were discovered and comments made after LE officially confirmed the remains were Hailey's

You can bet your life the FBI are applying Statement Analysis as they're reading through Billie and Shawn's comments

May 3, 2013 at 1:29 PM

******
Thank you for this news. We probably all assumed the FBI was using every method possible to follow the right trails, but this just made my day better!

Praying for justice for Hailey. I'm picturing enormous files full of evidence and juries convicting the guilty parties!

Jo said...

But Young did discuss how Billie is coping. He said she's just like any other mother who is experiencing the loss of her child.

Billie is "just like" a grieving mother but he does not tell us that she "is" a grieving mother. What makes her just like one instead of stating that she is one.
I would think needing a lawyer and being a POI may be the difference there, what do you think Mr. Young?

Anonymous said...

Nice catch JO!

Anonymous said...

Young just keeps letting his marbles escape.

Anonymous said...

The only thank you I've seen from the other camp is by one of the searchers. Even with all the prompting BD has gotten, she still refuses to thank Mr.Lloyd, let alone invite him to the memorial service. What a slap in the face! And stupid! She can't see how that makes her look? She can't claim she is too distraught to think about anything but the "news" that a living, breathing Hailey won't be walking through her door, in another town, when she has found the "strength" to thank everyone except him. She can't even fake gratitude? WOW

Anonymous said...

That to me screams that at least she, and possibly Young are considering the Kronk defense.

Anonymous said...

Re: Hailey's death certificate. I'm curious what will be noted as cause of death. I imagine "homicide" or "unknown" or something along those lines.

Really, my question is general in nature and not really germane to Hailey. When human remains are recovered in the elements and decomposition is advanced, how is cause of death determined?

Anonymous said...

I Caylee's case the ME ruled homicide because of the tape on her skull. She also said that other information outside the autopsy is considered in the ruling, information from LE etc.

Anonymous said...

She also considered where and how the remains were found. In the swampy area down the street from Casey's house. Those kinds of things.

REK said...

maybe we should ask BJD she apparently claims hailey was murdered

Trixiebelle said...

ok, regarding the people that think their posts are being deleted..... I am, like you, NOT a techno wizard. I have often thought that Peter deleted my post. I am here to tell you that this is not necessarily true. Instead, go back and look under Peter's blue headings.... Peter has such a myriad listing of topics of interest that it is easily misinterpreted as "that Son of Gun, Peter, deleted my post!!!!!'

I wouldn't know Peter if he ran up and bit me.

However, I have to say that he "lets" all of us here on SA to rant and rave. My educated guess is that if you are backtracking in order to re-read your post, it is not that Peter has "deleted" your post, rather, that you posted in the WRONG AREA..... like many of you, I do not wish to be associated with a "google account" and simply wish to be known as "Trixiebelle."

So that's my story and I'm stickin' to it. I wished that LE would have arrested both SA and BJD at least by this afternoon, Friday, May 3rd.... I hate to think of those two scumbags enjoying even one weekend of freedom more than they already have to date.

Anonymous said...

maybe we should ask BJD she apparently claims hailey was murdered

And raped (Pillie's "pedophile" rants)

Anonymous said...


Peter Hyatt said...

Statement Analysis is false because it showed Billie Dunn to be deceptive.

Polygraphs are false because they showed Billie Dunn to be deceptive.

FBI, Texas Rangers and Local Police are all false because they conspired against Billie Dunn.

Do I have it all yet?

I'm afraid you don't. Anon @ 3:14 brought up the autopsy ruling on cause of death. I'm sure as in Caylee's case, they will argue the validity of that science as well or that the ME is in on the great conspiracy.

Sella35 said...

@Trixiebelle- QUOTE "I wished that LE would have arrested both SA and BJD at least by this afternoon, Friday, May 3rd.... I hate to think of those two scumbags enjoying even one weekend of freedom more than they already have to date."

I think patience is a virtue. I could be wrong, but maybe with them taking so much time, they are trying to avoid what happened with the CA case. I am hoping they will be able to give an exact cause. I think it would have helped some in CA trial.

I do not ever worry about my posts being deleted. I think if they get deleted, they were stupid and Peter is taking care of me, in a nice way. Or like you, I don't realize I posted under a different area.

Anonymous said...

No, I've had some sensitive posts deleted for good reason I'm sure. And I watched some get deleted from this area this morning, again I think because it addressed something sensitive. I trust the judgement of the admins.

I have wished plenty of times they would delete my dumb posts. lol

Get Real said...

Hailey will be released to me, but it might not be real soon as they are being meticulous collecting any evidence," Billie Jean Dunn wrote.

"I'm grateful they are keeping me updated and doing everything to insure they miss nothing. I want her home, but am definitely not going to rush them. I trust they are doing everything necessary to get what they need & to get her home."

These are not Billie's words. She can't write like this. We already know that after reading her "time-line" and the rest of the rubbish. There is no "HICK" in this paragraph. She has somebody updating her FB.

dadgum said...

Trixie..
If someone runs up and bites me, I may just assume it was Peter, lol!

Local anon said...

I agree Get Real.No way did Billie come up with that herself.

Anonymous said...

I want her home,

___________________

No Pillie Jean NotDunnNothing

The following is what parents of missing children found dead say:

"We can finally lay her to rest"

"Finally we can lay her to rest"

"Now we can finally lay her to rest and begin healing"

"Finally it's time to bury her properly"

"Finally we can have a proper burial"

"Now we can bury her properly and begin rebuilding our lives"

And so on

melvania said...

https://www.facebook.com/john.s.young.370/friends?ref=ts&ft_ref=mni




Attorney and client are fb friends.
Weird?
Normal?
I wonder what else they have in common?

~ABC said...

This may be over-the-top wishful thinking, BUT :) I have a suspicion that LE (having learned very valuable lessons from the Casey Anthony Circus) are now handling this case in a way that is going to knock the socks off investigative techniques when all is out in the open. I would love to see the handling of this case become the new "how it's done" in missing children cases, including the use of statement analysis!

Anonymous said...

Please help find Ayla
Dear Hailey,
I wish you were alive. I'm sorry you had such a horrible mother. I'm sorry everybody let you down. I'm sorry. RIP

melvania said...

@~ABC----I agree. The longer the wait, the bigger the BOOM. I think there's more than one case, as drug and sex trade are large components of this case. We could see several people prosecuted. Go Law Dogs Go!!!

Anonymous said...

Please help find Ayla

I'M GOING TO APOLOGIZE because my throat's scratchy...and I got a sore throat.

I'M GOING TO APOLOGIZE...WHEN???????!!!!!!!!!!

rkg said...

I think the situation with the request for flowers instead of a charitable donation is telling. As has been made clear, BJD does not care if the world actually revolves around her; she knows it doesn't. But, she must make it APPEAR as though it revolves around her. That is the only way secrets stay hidden. If the news runs a picture of Hailey's memorial, and she stands there beside "her baby's" remains, flowers heaped around, with a kleenex to her eye and with David and Clint caught in the same photo, she looks like quite the picture of a grieving mother whose community so wishes to comfort her in her time of loss.

If the money is donated in Hailey's name, BJD has no visible way of construing that gift, as it is intended to benefit OTHERS in HAILEY'S name, having nothing to do with BJD. It will not decorate her image at all.

Also, the MOST telling aspect of all of this is that she and her attorney have been given multiple PERFECT opportunities to fervently thank the man who is making a decent burial possible for "her baby," and STILL refuses to do so. I would be on the phone with him, emailing him, pressing for details, requesting to be taken to the site, and otherwise completely annoying him to death in the midst of expressing my heartfelt thanks for finding my child.

Statement Analysis Blog said...

Anonymous said...
No, I've had some sensitive posts deleted for good reason I'm sure. And I watched some get deleted from this area this morning, again I think because it addressed something sensitive. I trust the judgement of the admins.

I have wished plenty of times they would delete my dumb posts. lol
May 3, 2013 at 4:45 PM >>

I am thankful for the benefit of the doubt. A number of comments and some posts have come down. They will return later, in tact.

I will also explain after this case is adjudicated.

Peter

Anonymous said...

We should do something for Hailey online during the public memorial

Something like, everybody light an "internet" candle in Hailey's name (and type in a message for her), and everybody light their "internet" candles at the same

There is a site with free "internet" candles but I'm having trouble finding it

But I think the thousands of us, if not tens of thousands of us, who have been devoted to the Hailey Dunn case, and cannot attend Hailey's memorial and cannot afford donations, can at least at a set time light up the internet for Hailey when her public memorial begins

If that sounds like a good idea to the regular users, please one of you take the reins

~mj said...

"A Big Spring man who came across the teen's remains recently told KTXS that he found a skull, a tooth and a femur, along with blue warmups that Hailey Dunn, then 13, was believed to have been wearing when she disappeared in late December 2010."

http://www.ktxs.com/news/fbi-seeks-tips-in-colorado-city-teen-hailey-dunns-death/-/14769632/20007962/-/118w1srz/-/index.html

So it was the warm-ups that were found with her. Sorry if this was already posted!

Unknown said...

Anonymous said...
That to me screams that at least she, and possibly Young are considering the Kronk defense


Ah hemm not only considering it but as you say the ingrance being shown toward pointhunter.

As oppose gratatude it a cert she will atempt to Kronk him.
She an her attorney will attempt to throw everyone under the bus if it helps her cause.

I can hear her thought process noe .
He works in a prison with all criminals .
Betcha everyday he works an talks with the dirty killthemself paedos.

Betcha one them told them he stole my Daughter an where her bones are at to split the reward.

Mmm yeah thats a good distraction an we got shawnboy to point the finger at.

An if all else fails I will unconflict David an get him to fall on his sword to save his dear mom.

Unknown said...

Re: Hailey's death certificate. I'm curious what will be noted as cause of death. I imagine "homicide" or "unknown" or something along those lines

Death by NEGLECT JEALOUSY AN FILLICIDE

~ABC said...

Peter Hyatt said...
Statement Analysis is false because it showed Billie Dunn to be deceptive.

Polygraphs are false because they showed Billie Dunn to be deceptive.

FBI, Texas Rangers and Local Police are all false because they conspired against Billie Dunn.

Do I have it all yet?

Justice is coming.

Peter
May 3, 2013 at 1:36 PM

lol AND it just occurred to me, the very mindset you are describing is what drives people who seriously think their comments are deleted because they've struck a nerve. Puhhhlease people! Unfair victimization (or as my grandmother would say, the poor pitiful and putupon lol) is running rampant among BJD apologists and their ilk!

~ABC said...

And I shouldn't have included that exclamation at the end of my previous comment because I did not mean to minimize the saracasm. :D

REK said...

I have had posts that have been deleted and I'm not a BJD apologist. I just thought of something else while reading. I was reading about how he saw the blue warm ups and thought to himself that they seemed familiar to the case or something. Or maybe it was the interview that was posted on here awhile ago. It did make me think he was familiar with the case then or aware of the description. I wish I could chat with him regarding any intuition he might have had as that is something I study

Anonymous said...

I can't imagine anyone in that area being unfamiliar with Hailey's description when she went missing. I bet the local cities were plastered with her face and description of her clothing plus the local news coverage.

REK said...

thats true. although there's some more i'd like to ask him

Tess said...
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Unknown said...



Local anon said...
Here is the interview with John Young. Forgive me if it it has already been posted. I do not have time to read all 206 posts



By Devin Sanchez
NewsWest 9


Billie Dunn's attorney John Young spoke with NewsWest 9 Thursday to clear some things up.

Young told NewsWest 9 Hailey's remains are still being investigated, which is why they haven't been released to Hailey Dunn's mother, Billie. He also said regardless of what some may want to believe, Billie is just a mother, who will have to lay her child to rest, far too soon.


Is this possable leakage of recent knowlage gleaned from his client?

Maybe Im over analyiseing an takeing his words to literlary.

How ever billienotdunnothing first
incarnation of Hailey an her disapearance .

Had the description of her DAUGHTER HAILEY laying/resting in BED,,,

She saw her there resting very early in the morning.
Before Shawnboy drove her to work.
But the sight of her resting in peace Daughter ...soon to be in peices.....Comforted her.???

Maybe this verbage terminoligy is in his mind because of some version of events billienotdunnothing has told him.

Involveing her on the very periphery off a terrible tragedy.
Involveing shawnboy drugging an abbuseing HAILEY .

Whithout her Knowlage of course an one day to much drugs to much sex HAILEY DIES.
Whilst she was at work or on the toilet but definetly not there when it happened.

She arrives to find a Dead Hailey an David walks in as well to back up her story .

An there was Hailey dead on the soffa an shawnbow looking like a deer caught in the headlights .

An a just didnt know what to do
A was afeared for David an shawnboys a MONSTER A DEMON he threatened me an David an Clint an my Mother an Obama evetone was gonna git kilt if I didnt go along with him.

Honestly John you beleive me dont you?

I gently carrried her through to her bed room an laid her down to rest






Blaze said...

mj said ... "So it was the warm-ups that were found with her. Sorry if this was already posted!"


Thanks mj, and thanks for the link.
Hopefully LE will be able to pull some DNA off those warm-ups. I wonder if Hailey wore warm-ups to bed/couch? I wonder what SA received for his birthday June 2010...

Blaze said...

BJD will be 36 tomorrow.

Anonymous said...

I try not to be malicious, but cases like this make it difficult. I would love to see BJO get arrested on her birthday and that thought makes me question myself. I want to see justice done but I don't want to become vengeful and jaded.

~ABC said...

About Hailey's memorial Billie Jean Dunn said....
"I'm also starting think it may not need to be a completely public event,there are many ppl who do not have Haileys best interest in mind who will try to ruin it."

Un Be Lieve Able.....

Alice said...

Justice to Billie Jean Dunn: I'm gonna git you sucka!

On a serious note... Hailey was murdered. My heart plunged when I learned of the news. Foul play by BJD & SA was obvious from the beginning. But still... one cannot truly prepare for the reality of cold-blooded murder. My Lord, why?

R.I.P. Hailey Dunn


Alice said...

melvania said...
Attorney and client are fb friends. 
Weird?
Normal?
I wonder what else they have in common?
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Friends? I highly doubt it. He probably doesn't even like her. He's on her FB to read her self-incriminating updates.


S + K Mum said...

I think all the LE agencies knew before they found Hailey what had happened. I think now it is just a case of crossing the t's and dotting the i's so that all the evidence backs it up and convictions will be made. They could have had them in prison for the images etc, so when a conviction comes it will be a hefty one. In cases in the UK, previous convictions usually aren't disclosed to jurors so there is no prejudice. By keeping it all for one trial then they know everything. Also could defence not argue that jurors may have heard of previous convictions through media, thus a mis-trial or something? So keep it all in one case and make sure they get it right. (I don't know how well I explained that). And it maybe different in the US. Hopefully you will know what I mean!

Anonymous said...

Colorado City will never issue permits for a public memorial if the people arranging the public memorial want to block family and friends and searchers and law enforcement officials and Shawn Adkins from attending

A public memorial is open to the public, period.

Colorado City will simply take over arranging and hosting the public memorial, which I hope they do, because the city will go all out for Hailey (Colorado City already offered to conduct a public memorial for Hailey and were refused....) and a 100% city-funded public memorial means preventing all the fake Hailey groups from profiteering from Hailey's murder

Unknown said...

Colorado City will simply take over arranging and hosting the public memorial, which I hope they do, because the city will go all out for Hailey (Colorado City already offered to conduct a public memorial for Hailey and were refused....) and a 100% city-funded public memorial means preventing all the fake Hailey groups from profiteering from Hailey's murder

May 4, 2013 at 8:15 AM


Not only profFiting FINANCIALY .
Thet want to proffit in a public relations opertunity....

To bask in the cameras photo opps to appear as a genuine greif striken person.

By already denigrateing the memorial .
By saying.... "I'm also starting think it may not need to be a completely public event,there are many ppl who do not have Haileys best interest in mind who will try to ruin it."
..........Im also STARTING TO THINK.......

It MAY not need to be a competly PUBLIC EVENT..There are MANY PEOPLE .Who DO NOT HAVE HAILEYS best intrest in MIND!

WHO WILL TRY TO RUIN IT!

Where oh where to start .
She certainly KERPLUNKED with that gem of a statement.

People do not have best INTREST IN MIND.

So people dont have Haileys best intrest in HEART would be the normal way of stateing concer.

Instead she chose MIND peeople use there MIND to think ./speculate .

She tells us she doesnt like the way we are useing our MINDS.COMMON SENSE.

To decipher her deception.People are useing there MINDS to think of Haileys plight the fear an torrment an utter TERROR as she realised her own MOTHER was throwing her to the wolfs.

Its not in her intrest that people think of Hailey.

Look at me think of me in your minds not HAILEY.

Doesnt think any old joe public should get an invite to the memorial?

It was the genral public that showed concern .
Prinred posers went an walked them ugly feilds looking searching for HAILEY.

Whilst she sat on her derrier watching TV an haveing newyears new beginings PARTY.

Now she wants to insinuate they should not be allowed.
You can bet your boottom dollar if she had any control over the event.


SHE DOESNT.

She would ban all an sundry an only the chosen beleivers in the CULT OF billienotdunnothing would be allowed.

In this time of sorrrow people have HAILEY IN THERE HEARTS?
By not haveing her intersts in our HEARTS but in our MINDS we want to or might ruin it?

What are we realy going to ruin by haveing thoughts of HAILEY in our MINDS as oppsed to our hearts.

Cetrainly no ones going to even think of disrupting or ruining HAILEYS MEMORIAL.

Only PERSON ive ever heard of RUINING an event for HAILEY was..billiedunnothing whom turned up univited to a HAILEYS ANGELS VIGIL/Memorial/EVENT.

They also showed a VT of some of there search efforts.
Lights were dimmed an VT was show on a large screen.
Halfway through the screening the uninvited billienotdunnothing loudly exclaimed some obscenity standing up .
Pushing her chair back her an her small enterouge stormed out of the memorial/event /photo op for B N D N.... AKA billienotdunnothing.

So there you go make of that what you will.
I think the only thing that could be RUINED by keeping HAILEY in MIND.

Are some thin an desprate efforts of a desprate washed out haggared an soon to be broken woman .

Desprate to deflect blame on anyone any thing but her.She can deal with the knowlage she murdered her DAUGHTER.
She cannot deal or tolerate anyone else bar her knowing the demon within her its shy.



Anonymous said...

Amen ecossie possie!

Pillie wants to use the public memorial to groom her "I'm a grieving mother" image

ARREST Pille Jean NotDunNothingKerplunk

ARREST Shawn "Killing A Child Is Just Like Killing A Deer" Adkins

NOW!



Anonymous said...

It breaks my heart to see the squabbling over Hailey's memorial. While I agree about Bullied and her photo op please let us shower Hailey with flowers and love. I want justice for Hailey but I don't think even if BD got that photo it would HP her. And if we stop the flowers for ant reason to do with her we are only hurting Hailey.

Anonymous said...

Billie not Bullied, sorry it's my phone.

Unknown said...

Killing A Child Is Just Like Killing A Deer" Adkins..

disclaimer graphic content if queazy dont read on....


Yes very telling comment as he is not refering to killing a deer but the event after.

Dressing hunters call it I think they hoist up the deer by the hind legs with rope an conveinant tree branch.

Hoist up the deer an slit the throat to drain all the blood by gravity..

Then they can either rack it in the back of there truck take home or .
Dismeember the deer in situ.
Expert hunter an knowlage of deer anatomy an a sharp sa a razor knife can have a deer drained of blood.
Gutted internal organs on the dirt in seconds.
Dismebered an cut into ready to go
JOINTS OF DEER leg ect .
In about 45 minutes an off the drive home to fill there freezers full of venison
An that 35 minute includes removeing the hide.
SKINNING.
Wouldnt need to skin a person though.

An Im assumeing even shawnboy didnt go out an RAPE a Deer a Doe but chose ME

ME being HAILEY.

No shawnboy didnt go out in the woods.
Grab a deer have sex with it an then go phyco on the deer with a chainsaw.

Im not saying he an billienotdunnothing didnt ingulge in beastiality we know they dis.
Thet probably raped half the critters in Christindom.

But on that night they MURDERED DEAR HAILEY.

And given his just like a deer comments.
Bones last fractures are visable after thousands of years.

aS ARE AXE STRIKES or sword strikes knife cuts last in bone.
So if that poor WEE LAMB was dismembered just like dressing a DEER.

The coroner will see them .

Serrated cuts from a chain saw are very very distintive.

And are very rarely seen .
Profesinal Killers like Richard the iceman Kapchinski nearly always dismembered his victims.

He said you never use a chainsaw as gore blood sinew goes every where
In your eyes if no protection hair face ect .
So you use a sharp knife after draing the blood .
Sorry to have to speak so graphicly.

But in dealing with DEMONS from HELL you to envisage there actions.
Not because you want to but because some one has to.

To try an understand the prosecuter in the Jodi Arrias trial had to enter her mind to understand her actions.

Her thought prosesses an explain to the Jurours why she acted aas she did.

Her reasoning her motivation her entire ratinal.
An someone may welll have to enter in the her mind an shawnboys to explain there actions motives an ratinals.

HAILEY DIDNT DESERVE TO BE MURDERED.
HAILEY DIDNT DO ANYTHING GOOD OR BAD OR SO BUD THAT SHE DESERVED TO DIE.
HAILEY DESERVED A LOVEING FAMILY.
She didnt have one.
Hailey deserved to live .

HAILEY DESERVRS JUSTICE

And thanks to POINT HUNTER Curtis justis is on its way.

He heard HAILEYS VOICE all the way in those ugly feilds.

And now She will have a voice to ROAR at those UGLY DECEITFULL SCUMBAG MURSERING MONCTERS.

HAILEY for now and ever more JUSTICE will be served on those responsable DAILY.

Anonymous said...

In defense of Connie Jones' "what did Hailey do that was so wrong" comment, she wasn't blaming Hailey, she was blaming the killer:

Connie: What did Hailey do that was so wrong you turned around and killed her? NOTHING! NOTHING Hailey said or did justified killing my granddaughter!

Connie was rhetorically asking "what did Hailey do that was so bad that this time you punished her to death? What could she have possibly have done that you murdered Hailey?"

The answer, from Connie's point of view: NOTHING.

The answer, from Billie's point of view: what Hailey did so wrong was get caught in a sexual position with Shawn, which is why Hailey was punished to death

"What made somebody want to hurt her?"

To me, she's lugubrously pointing her rhetorical finger at Billie/Shawn.

Imagine her saying "What made somebody want to hurt her?" in a slightly sarcastic and/or lugubrious tone. She knows and via rhetoric is pointing the finger but also via rhetoric pretends she does not know.

Connie Jones may also have been aware Billie publically acknowledged she and Hailey fought that night, and once again Connie's rhetorical question was directed at Billie/Shawn: "what did Hailey do that was so bad that you punished her to death". The answer: NOTHING, NOTHING justified murdering Hailey.

Anonymous said...

@ ecossie possie excellent commentary

Shawn take heed:

"Serrated cuts from a chain saw are very very distintive"

Statement Analysis Blog said...

Connie Jones' point was that Hailey did nothing to deserve what they did to her.

Blaming her is another illogical Billie Dunn follower folly and attempt to take blame off of their leader.

In fact, Billie Jean Dunn has disparaged Hailey on a number of occasions, including posting about "payback" to teens, and subtly blaming Hailey for "going off" that day.

It actually shows that she has a need to blame Hailey. The need is to ease her conscience and tell herself Hailey deserved it.

Sick twisted mind with a sick twisted following.

Peter

BostonLady said...

Connie Jones loved Hailey, still loves Hailey. Hailey loved her nana, Connie Jones. Hailey spent as much time with Connie as she could. Hailey wanted to live with Clint and her nana and Billie knew this. Billie tried to play it down like it was a surprise but I think this is part of the fight with Billie & Hailey.

~ABC said...

My thought about Connie Jones is this, if what she says is true then she missed numerous opportunities to intervene on Hailey's behalf. I know what I would do if my granddaughter told me she was afraid of the man sleeping in her mother's bed. Connie knew exactly what Hailey was afraid of and she told the world after Hailey disappeared. Yet, afaik while Hailey was still present Connie took no serious action to help her. I'm sure there must be loads of blame shifting going on in the BJD groupie camp, but for me seeing these facts about Connie in no way takes one bit of the responsibility off BJD's shoulders.

Trixiebelle said...

Re: "bostonLady" 11:41.....regarding the "deleted posts"....I, like several of the Statement Analysis posters that are just too "freaked out" to leave our name
with a "URL" address (whatever "URL" actually means!!!). I am one with you......oftentimes, I think Peter has deleted my post. Only to find out that "no," he did not delete my post. I simply but it underneath another, previous "topic heading."
At the end of the day, we are all concerned that BJD and Sean Adkins receive justice for the crimes they perpetrated on poor Hailey Dunn. It will get done. Even if it doesn't get done to our satisfaction, I am confident that, like Casey Anthony, the lives of BJD and SA will forever be tainted with the association of child pornography and murder.

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