I voted yes. The questions being asked, the comments on the State vs. Jodi Arias fb page, comments by those I know following the trial, and what appears to be a skillful prosecution lead me to believe the outcome of this trial will not be the travesty of the Casey Anthony verdict.
I hope people learned a lesson from the Casey Anthony trial. Jodi hung herself with her own tongue. Jodi Arrogant! Totally disgusting MONSTER!
I think she will be found guilty, but in my opinion, anything less than first degree murder is not justice. This manipulative woman......wow, she is beyond dangerous. I think if they go with manslaughter....honestly, I would rather them hang and let's retry.
Exactly what Anony @5:32 pm said.I voted yes, also. But it may hang.
I feel she will be convicted. The jurors have shown, with their questions, they are intelligent and thoughtful. I think they understand the prosecutions case and "get it".
The jury has had this case for 6 hours now -- I know that may not seem like a long time -- but, IMO, it is for this case !Jodi admitted she killed him -- and Juan Martinez clearly PROVED PRE-MEDITATED MURDER, 1st Degree !What is taking them so long ?Oh, I did not vote ... I just don't trust juries !
Its not about what I think, but what the jury thinks. What juries think, if they even think at all these days, is anybodies guess. I expect its all done with a dart board anyway.
Sort of on topic:http://m.today.com/news/casey-anthony-judge-felt-shock-disbelief-not-guilty-verdict-6C9791042Did anyone else read this on nbcnews.com today? Judge Perry was so shocked at Anthony's not guilty verdict, he had to read it twice!I think Arias will be found guilty of first degree murder, judging by the questions the jury asked witnesses. I think this line of questioning should be available to all juries in every state.
Jury's will not learn. They can not evaluate facts, go for emotion, do not understand REASONABLE doubt. I have testified as an expert witness and had put forward testimony that a 4th grader could understand. Only successful when I could do that.i This jury, like Casey Anthony, has been there for a long time. Like Casey, they don't want to stay for to sentence her.
If you consider the moment where she decided to drive to his place as the beginnig of the murder than it wasn't premeditated -- it was in the heat of a lengthy but behaviorially contained incident. Technically what is the difference between lunging at somebodu from across the room and lunging at them from a few states away. If you don't have presence of mind to pause and reflect on your actions -- it is still in the heat of the moment. Really I just have sympathy for her. The guy was persistently emotionally tormenting her. She's a killer and I hope they find her guilty - but of second degree murder and I hope they just give her some decades in prison and not the death penalty.
No, she was persistantly tormenting him. She broke into his him, his email, his myspace. SHE used sex as a weapon. She drove 1000 miles after stealing a gun, lying about where she was going. She had gas cans so she wouldn't have to stop and be recorded in Az. She turned her cell phone off. She killed him 3 times, cleaned up the scene and then left to go make out with another guy. Even IF he had been mean to her (which when looking at both sides of their conversations is arguable at best) that doesn't give her the right to plan for a week, drive 1000 miles and kill him. She is guilty of first degree murder, nothing less!!
Whatever the outcome, Juan Martinez is a rock star in the courtroom! And he got it all right.
Travis was a young handsome man with some money. No doubt he was a player. She got played and then got revenge! He didn't need to be killed, he needed to be broken up with. Her revenge was 1st degree murder.
Travis is no Man of the Year and is guilty of being a user and a religious fraud but that crime scene was created by a maniac of a killer and she should stay locked up forever. Unfortunately, she'll adapt well in prison using sex to gain advantage. But at least you and I will be safe from her. Pat
I voted for what I hope, murder in the 1st. But after Casey, I don't know if I believe it. She even looks like a mousey Casey ....
Anon 7:27 and Billie Dunn fans prove that there are still enough mindless, bleeding heart suckers, that will make excuses for the most vicious crimes and criminals, to make up another CA jury. Some people are incapable of logical thinking. Maybe it's a genetic deficit. Maybe it's projection. Maybe it's a savior complex. Whatever the reason, it makes me lose faith in more than just the justice system. sigh
Jodi stalked and harassed Travis. She was the one who drove over 1,000 miles to his home, with dark not blonde hair, with gas cans, with an upside down license plate etc.... She brought a gun and knives with her. She knew what she was going to do when she got there. If this isn't a case for premeditated first degree murder, then I don't know what is. The jury asked intelligent pro prosecution questions of the witnesses. Let's hope they get it right.
I'm concerned. In hundreds of criminal cases I've covered for the newspaper, a jury being out this long is a bad sign. I'm praying I'm wrong, but I think they are either heading for a hung jury or they have voted guilty and now they're trying to agree on first- degree or lesser.
Jodi admitted killing him . Actually Jodi slaughtered him. As Juan Martinez proved, she killed him 3 different ways. This was pre meditation. Remember the juror's instructions were that premeditation does not mean a long period of time. That was significant to me.One day is not a long time for a jury who could not discuss the case with each other for 4 months to air out their feelings. The photos of Travis's wounds were horrific. The jury saw them all. Just that one aspect is emotional enough to discuss.Hopefully it won't be long. But this isnt' Casey Anthony's case. The jury saw how much Jodi lied. They even questioned her on her lying.Justice for Travis!
Travis was a man confused by his devout Morman faith and his sexuality. It seems to me that Jodi Arias is an accomplished opportunist who managed to confuse him even more. I don't believe Travis was a dangerous deviant. I wouldn't blame this on him. Jodi, in my humble opinion, was one of millions of bottomless pits of need. You know those women who cannot live without a relationship with a man. It rarely ends well.Note to men with partners of childbearing age: How you parent matters. Do it well. It's an important legacy.
...and Peter: The wording of your poll is slightly biased. Not a criticism. Just an observation.
The jury will return tomorrow, Tuesday 5/7/13 at 10:00 AM to continue deliberations.Hoping for a 1st degree verdict then !But honestly, they should have had this verdict in today ... this case is a "no brainer" IMO !
Sorry off topic but this is a miracle! These missing girls escaped from a basement where they've been held captive for 10 years.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2320519/Amanda-Berry-Gina-DeJesus-Two-girls-went-missing-teens-ALIVE-kept-basement-Ohio-house-DECADE.html
OT: This is amazing news. 3 teens missing from Cleveland separately for about a decade escaped their captors house:Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus and Michele Knight found alive!!http://wtvr.com/2013/05/06/two-women-missing-for-years-found-in-cleveland-home/
sorry mountain mama, I just saw your post! This is a miracle!! I was so excited I didn't read comments before posting.
No problem thrilled :) This brings tears to my eyes, 3 missing girls can go home!
Wonderful news! I'm sure it gives so much hope to others!
I think that the jury taking so long are arguing more over degrees and not guilty or not guilty.
I still think not enough focus was made on the closet where she says she got the gun only after Travis attacked her.Since the shelves are not made to support, she never would have been able to stand on them to get that gun 8 feet up! That is a weapon she claims she got access to for self defense.If she was not able to climb up to get that gun "self defense" goes out the window. She had to have it on her and there you have pre meditation!Can only hope the jury remembers, but as little as even the media seems to discuss it... I'm concerned
OTRe: the missing girls who were found today, here is a statement from the uncle of the suspects:http://fox8.com/2013/05/07/uncle-of-kidnapping-suspect-my-god/==========A man who said he is the uncle of one of the suspects is shocked, because the girls were found in his nephew’s home.“I went over there, and I said this is my nephew’s house, this can’t be happening, whew, God. But then they confirmed it,” said Julio Castro.“Gina is a friend of my family. They’ve been friend of ours. They grew up together. On the other side, it’s my nephew. Who everybody thought was such a nice person, was a bass player, a school bus driver, a beautiful person, which is a shame for my family because we are a wonderful family,” Castro said.“Everybody thought, not just me, all the neighborhood. The neighbors claimed he had beer with them, and everybody was surprised,” Castro said“We always thought that they’d be alive somewhere … my God,” Castro said.===========Any thoughts, people?
Sella35 said... I think that the jury taking so long are arguing more over degrees and not guilty or not guilty.---------------------------------I agree ... there were way too many choices on the Jury Instructions regarding "degree" of murder. And it could be worse :someone is "buying" the "self-defense" bull !I just can't believe they did NOT come back with a verdict today.
Juan laid out all of the points of premeditation, so it would be a shame to have anything less. Its crystal clear. She stole the gun, spread her alibi's, in my opinion showed up unnaounced (the way she says she went and stood there and waited for the dog to greet her) bought her sunscreen to go to cancun (i know that wasn't part of evidence)i listed to the interrogation tapes. there were a few times that the cancun trip got brought up, the detective asks if she was ever going to go on the trip or wanted travis to stay home. she does this exagerating "oohh no! i would never want him to not go"
I also was glad her defense attorney said he doesn't like her 9 days out of 10. he was trying to make a piont (that it shouldn't matter if you like her or not) but it missed the point. to me it goes to her character and if she is capabale of being this "stalker" that they portray. the jury is going to take any bit they can, beyond their own observations to piece together a personality for her in their minds. he did not help. her laugh was obnoxious as well. she might have known it was coming but she shouldn't have laughed like that it did not sit well
I voted YES!My fingers are crossed for FIRST DEGREE PRE-MEDITATED MURDER WITH THE DEATH PENALTY --- BUT - I am very concerned of a hung jury.It seems so easy for us to figure out, but it only takes ONE of those 12 jurors to hold out. Arias weeping on the stand for 18 days only had to get the sympathy of ONE juror to get "her" way and get a mistrial - and what she, herself, predicted --- as she boldly stated "no jury will ever convict me..."She gutted Travis Alexander. She deserves to be put to death, and no less.Juan Martinez IS a rock star!I am on pins & needles until that verdict is read!!!JUSTICE FOR TRAVIS - PEACE FOR TRAVIS' FAMILY!!!Most Sincerely,Meag
That it's taking this long to reach ia verdict is not a good sign that the jury will decide on1st degree.Praying for justice.Texas Anon
I think she will be convicted of first degree premediated but won't get the DP. That's pretty much based on the questions asked her. I'm pretty sure they know they can't believe one word out of her mouth,and the experts are pretty much a wash. They're not going to come to a verdict quickly as they don't want to it considered they didn't look at all the evidence presented. There are more than 600pieces and their notes to go over they'll take their time.Personally I hope she get's LWOP she will be a sensation in GP until someone else comes along and then she will just fade away.
Part of me almost thinks Nirmi wants her found guilty. I think he had to defend her. It is his job. But I felt like he really half assed it most of the time and maybe that comment was a way of saying something that he can say was to prove a point when it may have been really to make a point that he does not even like her. Who knows, just a thought I had.Jennifer I think must just be trying to just "win" her case regardless of what Jodi did. That the win is about her and not because she believes this moron was a victim. I just can not wrap myself around the idea that they belive her at all.And we all know Baez has to know Casey was guilty. I mean, he knew about the computer searches that the dectives didnt know about and didnt present in court. "full proof suffucation" that was done in Firefox, Casey internet browser of choice. He said on the news that he was surprised it never came up. WTFTo me, him knowing that aside from all the other clear evidence, amazes me he did more than just defend to the extent of his job. He seemed to me, emotionally involved.Where in this case, Jennifer and Nurmi to me, do NOT seem emotionally involved at all with Jodi. But simply doing a job with the BS they have to use. Nothing more.
Also, I dont think time really means anything one way or another. I found the deliberation times for the following cases. It really seems to vary.Casey Anthony acquitted - 40 minutes.O.J. Simpson acquitted -four hours.Steven Hayes guilty -four hours.Drew Peterson guilty – 14 hours Jerry Sandusky guilty - 20 hours Phil Spector guilty - 30 hours Robert Blake acquitted - 35 hours Menendez brothers - guilty - four days Scott Peterson guilty - seven days
Nurmi and Wilmott were court-appointed, and paid WELL for their representation.I too, don't believe they acutally "like" Jodi - they are just doing the job the were paid to do.I think part of why Nurmi went on and on about Jodi's sex-capades was a back-handed way of showing to the jury just what a sleaze bag Jodi really is . . . Nurmi is an attorney that represents sex-related cases. he is not a murder specialist.Texas Anon
Shelley said... Also, I dont think time really means anything one way or another. I found the deliberation times for the following cases. It really seems to vary.Casey Anthony acquitted - 40 minutes.HI SHELLY - CASEY ANTHONY JURY WAS OUT 10 HOURS AND 40 MINUTES - NOT 40 MINUTES. ;-)IN THE JODI ARIAS CASE I THINK THAT THEY WANT TO TOUCH ON EACH PIECE OF EVIDENCE - SO THEY KNOW THEY COVERED ALL OF THEIR BASES. I SAY IF DELIBERATIONS GO UNTIL FRIDAY, THEN WE ARE IN TROUBLE!!! :-)MEAG
It is my hope that we have another poll like this soon...Will the Jury Convict Billie Jean Dunn? Yes, she is not getting away with itNo, she will join Casey Anthony in freedom.Will the Jury Convict Shawn Casey Adkins? Yes, he is not getting away with itNo, he will join Casey Anthony in freedom.
I don't think she will get away with it;however,I don't think she will get the death penalty either.Fingers crossed that justice will be served and she will not be free to cause harm to anyone else.I just want her to get the worst punishment possible. I fear even if she does get the death penalty it will never happen, causing more emotional trauma for the victims family and major costs to the taxpayers with ongoing legal battles.
I think it is very concerning that the jury is still out -- it's been 12 HOURS now !It's clear that there won't be a 1st degree verdict because they would have had this in the bag already !Travis deserves Justice which is giving this witch the DP or LWOP -- nothing less !
The length of time the jury is taking is starting to concern me too, I just tell myself that if a verdict came back soon in the CA trial, maybe it is a good sign this one is taking longer.Hopefully Jodi is sitting uncomfortably somewhere freaking out with worry.
There was a comment on NG that Jodi tweeted that she had wanted to take a plea agreement, if she was offered that I am surprised she didn't take it. Altho as the verdict isn't in who knows.
I anticipated and wanted the Casey Anthony verdict- and disliked the pompous prosecutor- but this case id different- this women is homicidal and i suspect like Scott Peterson she was on her way to do more harm when was arrested.I think jury instructions should take at least an entire day or a week in a trial such as this- with a lot of examples provided. It will be a sad day if she doesn't get 1st degree and I adore Martinez- he is a master.
In closing her own defense dropped "self-defense" and went to "heat of passion". There is no defense for what she did. The Jury will come back with 1st degree.
What happens if this jury is found to have done things they weren't supposed to, such as watched news or talked about the case.I am not accusing, just wondering as this case is in the news so much and the jury wasn't sequestered.
MizzMarple:This is not necessarily a bad sign. I am getting a bit impatient too, but I keep reminding myself that the jury is weighing a mountain of evidence AND they are also seriously taking into considration that a woman's life hangs in the balance of their decision.It tells me they are leaning toward the 1st degree, and are making sure once the verdict is made, and the sentence handed down, they can live with themselves and their decision later.Texas Anon
I highly doubt that the jury is concerned by what it would look like to the public if the deliberations were short. But I really wish the verdict didn't have to be unanimous.Just ONE obstinate or unreasonable person can derail the majority of thoughtful opinions of eleven others...
They hane a verdict!
I had no idea the jury would have to deliberate again depending on which verdict they reached.
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