Wednesday, December 16, 2015

Amanda Blackburn Murder Investigation: Polygraph

I am frequently asked:  

Why do guilty liars take polygraphs, signing on to not only taking the test, but admissibility?

This is the one who "did it" and knows that he is going to be asked,  "Yes or No, did you do it?" in the polygraph. 

Why would someone who "did it" and knows he is going to be asked this simple question, go ahead and take the polygraph?

It happens a lot.

It is a signal that the subject is a pathological liar; one who has done so since childhood, and will even lie when no apparent reason to lie exists. It is as if breathing, and as natural as truthful recall is to you and me.  The habit is not just an external habit, it is where one has almost a dual personality or a dual reality where one is what happened and the other is what one wanted to happen.  When he or she goes into memory, he is so used to making a 'choice' between the two that the processing speed of the deception is quite efficient; not up to speed with experiential memory, but it is up there.  This is where you hear someone is "a good liar."  

The lies appear almost seamless, but it is when someone close to the liar hears a lie that was senseless that further consideration is given.  

In the Amanda Blackburn murder case, the Christian Post had an article in which it said that readers wanted the husband, Davey Blackburn, to stop publishing victim Amanda's private journal via tweets.  People find it to be crass exploitation of a murder by one who's mantra has been to get the attention of as many people as possible, similar to a pyramid scam, where each person tells 3 people, who then each in turn tell 3 people...and on it goes.  

From what we know of Statement Analysis:  

He is not going to stop unless he is arrested. 

Even there,  if he is arrested, he will only pause but eventually get back on it and will sell his story --it is his compulsion and he is not going to listen to what readers suggest.  In fact, there is likely only two people he is going to listen to in life:  one is if his mentor still pays his salary and the other is himself.  

He is obsessed with success and as each of us has an internal subjective dictionary, he has defined success for us:  numbers in attendance, in person, or via internet, but it is numbers.  He has used the murder of his wife, from the very beginning, to promote himself. 

Why won't he listen to others? 

This is a man who has seized authority and it comes at the expense of those who were not educated enough in their own faith to grasp the sufficiency of Scripture, itself.  

It is very sad. 

It is very common. 

Having said that, what he has done, however, is not common:  

I have spoken to many who thought God was speaking to them.  Some did not show deception; they believed it.  They were often very under-educated, very emotional, and in desperation to be 'relevant' in life.  At times, it was heartbreaking.  Some were in vulnerable positions, such as medical necessity.  They were different than the deceptive: 

Those who showed deception, knew what they were doing, were purposeful, driven and used it to exploit others while gaining attention for themselves.  

When caught, they feigned humility and went on the attack. 

The "attack" may start small (refusal to stop publishing her private journal) but goes on to law suits, etc.  They cannot bear being "undone" by truth.  These are those who take polygraphs and fail miserably.  

They felt compelled to "prove", even to their own selves, that they are not liars.  

For some, their own self worth or in deeper terms, their own relevancy in life, itself, was tied into their 'cause', which was to be so special, so marvelously unique, and so very different than the rest of us, that they heard from Almighty God, Himself.  

What was the results?

Heartache for the victims, status for the perpetrator.   Deception always has victims.  


The Q&A shower session was this very thing. 

He had 'heard' so much from 'God' that his own first name was used, and the history making event was, itself, also qualified

What if it does not come true?

"Don't let Amanda's death be in vain" was his response.  He put the onus upon the 'dead' congregation he had just finished insulting.  Blackburn is well above average intelligence.  

He could take this 'divine authority' and subordinate his father in law and an entire congregation but still give himself an 'out' where he could blame them.  

His message was that Amanda gave her life for the church to live and the church is dead and in need of being brought to life and it is going to happen in a way that history books have not thought of. 

but, by the way, if it fails, it is their fault for letting her die in vain. 

This speaks to investigators (and criminologists) who must learn if he was involved in orchestrating his wife's murder, as circumstances point to, as he, like all liars, has a need to justify her death.  

He will not stop exploiting her death.  He went from obsessed to outright deceiver with his 'marching orders from Divinity.'

He is left with two authorities:  money and himself.  

If his mentor pays his salary, he will yield to him, but beyond that, having been divinely commissioned by the death of his wife, there is no higher authority to yield to.  

He is it.  

If his father in law is to rebuke him, it would have to, in the very least, equal the authority of the shower encounter.  

Unless someone holds purse strings, he has no one above him. 

Statement Analysis has shown the obsession with numerical success and once 'divine authority' was added to it, there is no human that can reason with him on anything.  

If charged, this suggests that his own defense attorney would have a terrible time controlling him. 

He would likely take the stand in his own defense. 

He has given divine revelation as to "why" Amanda died.  

"We are baffled" as to why she died, has now given way to a specific reason for death; it was not due to a bad marriage, nor was it due to random theft where she decided that she would stop the thief.  

Expect the self promotion to continue unabated.  It may take on different forms but it will continue. 

The self promotion came at Amanda's expense while she was alive, and she died so the promotion would  successfully bring in numbers.  That even subtle insult continues including revealing her private journal to the public, is the expected.  

Will law enforcement investigators ask him to polygraph?

This has its pros and it has its cons.  

Right now, he is speaking freely and often and his latest revelation that has justified her death is important.  Should they ask him to polygraph, they risk him quieting down while they continue to seek to learn of any possible connections.  

Should he take the polygraph and pass, it would reduce suspicion upon his possible involvement, something he has done much to keep suspicion levels high.  

Offering a polygraph would immediately invite him to hire a defense attorney.  

There would be no shortage of high powered defense attorneys who would take this case at no cost due to the high profile nature of exposure.  

Rare would be a  defense attorney who would allow him to polygraph.  

For now, it is not known if investigators have found any connection between Blackburn and the shooter, yet the coincidental nature of the case, and the words of Blackburn, himself, press for an answer. 

While no polygraph is offered and no formal suspicion comes from investigators, Blackburn is likely to continue to commercialize Amanda's death.  

A polygraph that is passed would quell suspicion of involvement. 

If Blackburn has no guilty knowledge of her death; that is, no connection to the killer whatsoever, a polygraph would help aid him in his thirst for publicity.  It would allow him to take the 'martyr' role where he is not only the grieving husband, but the 'victim' of relentless internet 'trolls' who doubt him. 

It would be useful to his drive or publicity and numerical success. 

John and Patsy Ramsey were indicted by a Grand Jury in the "death by child abuse" homicide of their daughter, Jonbenet.   

The District Attorney, Alex Hunter, refused to sign the indictment.  

He did not want to face off against the Atlanta attorneys hired by the Ramseys.  

These attorneys reportedly took their clients "polygraph shopping" where, they had hoped, they could capitalize on the publicity. 

They had taken them on polygraph after polygraph until they found one who's questioned were so perfectly designed, the Ramseys would pass, after repeated failures.  

They not only handsomely rewarded this polygrapher, but had a specific 'red dog' contract with him which forbids him of disclosing  the wording of any of the questions.  

This means that "did you cause Jonbenet's death?" as a simple, and straight forward question, would not have been asked of them.  
"Did you write the ransom note?" would not have been asked. 

How did the publicity of the "passed polygraph" work with the public?

They did not count on the failed polygraph information leaking to media. 

It ended up actually increasing suspicion of their clients, rather than alleviating it.  

Blackburn could volunteer for one from police, or he could seek to take a private one, which reduces credibility as people would wonder if he was "polygraph shopping."

In any case, public relations is front and center here.  Each day there is new information, via tweets or information such as the public statement made about the victim's reason for being murdered, made available to the public via the internet.

As a public figure who has made the rounds of the networks, his words are heard and examined.  A polygraph would bring him right back to national headlines and allow him to portray anyone doubting him as 'the bad guy.'

Every hero needs a villain. 

Without a villain, the story puts us to sleep  but where there is a story, there are t shirts sold and lots of free publicity.  Yet, there is a problem:  

Should he be proven utterly criminally unconnected to the murder, Americans are not likely to look upon him fondly even as his clean cut good looks and gift of theatrics suggest, due to his early emotional disconnect from Amanda, and his self serving ambition.  

Rocky Balboa was a violent, organized crime leg breaker, loan shark collector, with a criminal history, yet, we cheered for him for decades as he was 'liable' in the story. 

Arrogant, cocky, emotionally disconnected and lacking of emotional self awareness, he would need a complete overhaul to get America to pity him as the underdog. 

Would a polygraph help this cause?
More importantly,

would a polygraph help the cause of justice for murder victim, Amanda Blackburn?






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mom2many said...

To clarify, I wonder if EMS would have worked carefully to avoid contaminating the scene or would they have picked the cards up themselves.

In a previous life, I served as a midwifery student. In a patient's home we were careful not to disturb anything that didn't need to be, and to protect surfaces from contamination. Given my experience, it would take two seconds to drop a cloth over the floor to preserve what was there and be able to move around on top of it. EMS would certainly be familiar with crime scenes.

Anonymous said...

There is zero possible way anyone can comment on anyone's ADD without knowing medical history, drug use and abuse and other co morbidities.

What a great way to hide cocaine abuse, for instance: I have bad ADD.

Anonymous said...

JBB @1:45 & Anon @1:30, I couldn't agree more. Louise K runs from one tirade into another, just LOVES to suck up to LE and defend our boys in blue, like they give a rats ass who she is or what she thinks; can't imagine how she thinks her constant sucking up will benefit her. This off the beam lu lu thinks we don't know how our own LE works, and she does? We're looking at a real drama queen here!

She keeps referring to Amanda as having two gunshot wounds when it WAS THREE gunshot wounds, one to the arm, one to the shoulder and one to the back of the head; then ignores the pistol whipping Amanda took in the mouth, knocking out a tooth. This totals FOUR injuries on Amanda's body, not the two she keeps making reference too. She makes reference to another bullet, supposedly the third one going into a wall. Oh really? Where is this made reference too in LE report?

Worse yet, she says the back of Amanda's head had been blown OFF? Where in God's name did she get THIS info? Have we read about this horror anywhere else?

The worst of all, she keeps insisting that baby Weston was left alone in his crib; THEN says he should have been brought to Amanda which might have comforted her? Is this woman crazy or what! You don't bring a child to a dying mother in the condition Amanda was in for the child to see, bring to it's recall the horror years later and be traumatized for the rest of it's life! OMG, perish the thought!

Anonymous said...

There appears to be a charge to access scribd documents. Could someone tell me if the unredacted PC includes the page or pages from hosp of what the Physician said and results of physical exam/rape kit?

Anonymous said...

Not a robot, I completely agree. The unborn baby is probably easier in his head to let go if it was a girl. Maybe it was Everett.

I swore up and down I knew the sex of my first was a girl. When I found out he was a boy, I was like whaaaat?

tg said...

I've noticed a trend in the blackburn case in which there seem to be several attempts at pitting posters against each other by anonymous posters. One example is anonymous at 635pm. Hmmmm....

We all have our own perspectives based on experience. I find Louise K's defense of LE admirable and expected considering her public admission of her background.

I am a US citizen who respects LE and understands the turmoil we're currently experiencing in this country. I believe the Indy police are doing everything within their power to hold every person responsible for this crime accountable. No first hand LE experience here but familiar with many who are and these things don't wrap up in a day, nor is information made public until prosecution is made.

Thank you Peter Hyatt for this site and your insight. Fascinating information.

tg said...

anon at 6:57pm

I don't think there's a charge (wasn't for me a week ago) but you have to download their app to access the unredacted document.

mom2many said...

I have not paid anything for access to the probable cause document, so I don't know why you would be? I just read it from the website. I haven't downloaded it, which does seem to require a log in.

The autopsy is documented and there is reference to an exam done previous to the autopsy by a forensic nurse. I would assume a rape kit would be part of the forensic exam. No other medical information is going to be included in a public document, as that would likely violate HIPAA. There have been no subsequent reports about return of DNA analysis in the case.

mom2many said...

Back to the EMS protocols... Protocols are legal documents. In any medical situation, if you have followed the protocols, you are absolved of any fault regarding the outcome. If you have not followed protocol, documentation is critical to justify your decisions not to follow the protocol. The beginning of the EMS Protocol document explains that EMS has the ability to modify the protocol according to the situation, on their own cognition, but justifiable and appropriate documentation is required.

So, on behalf of Weston and whether he would have been treated. There is no protocol requirement for EMS to treat anyone at the scene if they were not called to tend that person. There is triage instructions, when multiple patients are at the scene. The result of the triage instructions, should they have been applied in the Blackburn home would have resulted in Weston not being treated, since he had no physical signs of distress. Also, at any time his guardian, Davey, could have simply refused treatment and transport would not have been necessary or even considered given his non-emergent state.

On the question of Amanda and whether EMS would have moved belongings. If Amanda had any visible brain matter exposed, she would not even have had CPR initiated. For trauma, EMS has a 10 minute requirement to have the patient out of the scene, or else it is required to have written justification for exceeding 10 minutes. My interpretation of these two factors indicates that they wouldn't have cared less whether there were cards or wallet on the floor. They would not be kneeling by the body performing CPR, if brain matter was visible. They would have gotten Amanda on a board and on the ambulance as quickly as possible.

I conclude it must have been Davey, on his own initiative, that moved the wallet and cards. It does not appear from the probable cause statement that the panties were moved. Everything else that Davey mentioned is found in the same position in the home by the investigator as Davey stated, except for the cards.

Girasol said...

Louise @ 5.30

you've been grandstanding and gaslighting here in a most unconstructive way for some time now. This has nothing to do with Americans and free speech, it only has to do with people wanting to conduct an thoughtful and civil discussion. Your aggressive and dominating manner is really dragging down the whole forum, and only showing up your own inability to interact constructively. I am also Australian and you would be receiving the same pushback in this country as you are on this blog, so cut it out with the I'm exotic we do things differently here schtick and the condescending jabs at your fellow travellers and seekers-of-truth. In the Australian vernacular - pull your head in mate.


Anonymous said...

girasol

that is so overboard.

people are obviously passionate about this topic. pull your head in mate.

tg

Anonymous said...

Thank you, Girasol for your post at 5:30

Kate said...

From the IMPD Presser

Reporter: "There was a lot of suspicion out there that quite possibly the Blackburn's knew their attackers or had some type of connection to them. Would you say that is not the case here today?"

Terry Curry (Marion County Prosecutor): Looks to his left, "Uh, I think it's fair to say there's no reason to believe that is the case."

A second reporter questions if the trio had done known to be in the neighborhood for handy work or odd jobs, again refuted. Wonder if the reporters have the inside scoop that these three have been seen in the neighborhood prior to killing Amanda. The reporter didn't say a few rumors, or a little suspicion, he said "a lot of suspicion".

Kate said...

Not sure how "done known" got in there, lol.

Anonymous said...

tg at 8:20
Girasol at 8:06 speaks for many of us who are weary of the ranting and name calling, bashing everything connected to the USA, absolute unarguable knowledge of law enforcement, making up "evidence" out of nothing and, last but not least, insulting Christianity across the board.
Enough!

tg said...

I haven't detected any USA bashing by Louise K.. She's interpreted some evidence differently (I believe) based on her personal experiences. And she disengaged from one poster a couple of days ago despite that poster continuing to provoke her. We're all here to learn. Stand down peeps. It's all about the info, not us.

Anonymous said...

How long have you been reading here tg?

Anonymous said...

Revisiting the "100% cleared" statement - this is a link with an interview from Inside Edition

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/murder-pastor-wife-related-next-door-break-in-article-1.2433705

The reporter is Jeff Wagner of WISH TV - he made this statement in the clip linked above - start at 1:10 into the video

"Police officers wanted to tell me last night, and they wanted to emphasize this - the officer I spoke with even said 'we are one hundred, we are one hundred and fifty percent ruling out Davey Blackburn as a suspect in this case’."


There has been some discussion about where those words originated - looks like this interview was posted on November 13th at 1:01pm. I'm not sure of the timeframe as to whether this was before or after any press conferences or statements by IMPD.

Someone in another thread said something like they wondered what 80% cleared would look like - this is the first time I've seen 150%! That sort of emphasis (and the reporter emphasized the words "ruling out") seems like bait - putting the words out that Davey was cleared so he might possibly go about and do his deeds and let them watch what he does.

I just found it interesting tonight that they were saying 150% cleared - and apparently as soon as the night of November 12th?

flightfulbird

tg said...

anon @ 8:55

since the blackburn case...would prefer this stay on the case and not about posters...just believe louise k is getting a raw deal here....she's provided some good insight and I'm beyond tired of the cop bashing.

Concerned said...


Flightfulbird at 8;56

"Police officers wanted to tell me last night, and they wanted to emphasize this - the officer I spoke with even said 'we are one hundred, we are one hundred and fifty percent ruling out Davey Blackburn as a suspect in this case’."

Now there's a statement ripe for analysis!
Peter will love this one!

Anonymous said...

Keep reading then, tg.

I'm not a Christian and I'm tired of her Christian bashing. Her self described Borderline Personality Disorder is getting out of order.

#getafilter

Anonymous said...

tg at 9:00 PM
Sweetheart, you just haven't been here long enough.

tg said...

anon 9:07

well, grew up baptist and now I'm probably agnostic so not easily offended. My filter allows for grey.

hash tags, imo, are weak...

mom2many said...

Flightful, that is a fantastic find. All I found was print articles when looking for the attribution of that quote. "Wanted to" tell me. Did LE actually tell him or just "wanted to."

The speed at which this was put out there really drives me back to wondering when the Feds got called in. If it was after this, and my suspicions are that it was, I have a hard time believing they would defer to IMPD on clearing the husband without analyzing everything for themselves. Assuming that the statement itself is not bait, as you suggest.

TommysMom said...

I cannot for the life of me understand how any rational person can believe God speaks to anyone least of all someone like DB. Any Christian who knows anything about scripture knows God only speaks through the Bible, which is His inspired word.

Anonymous said...

Well, tg, the hashtag wasn't for you, unless you are Louise...

tg said...

anon 919

last post regarding a poster

I'm not Louise. I don't know Louise. i'm in the US. Return to topic please.

rosy said...

tg said
at 9:22 PM
Return to topic please.
==============

tg, you've been off topic ever since you surfaced this evening.
Until/unless you contribute something constructive and quit meta-commentary on other people's posts, I will ignore your posts.

lynda said...

mom2many said...
CJ, you and I are on the same wave-length here. There needs to be evidence that puts Taylor in that house and the gun in his hand. Otherwise, I think charges will be dropped, because there will not be enough to convict. They will get convictions on the burglaries, but I don't see a conviction in Amanda's murder without the evidence putting the gun in his hand. If a defense attorney could not get a 'not guilty' verdict for Taylor and Watson on this, as it stands, he or she should be applying to the nearest fast-food establishment

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It would be nice if they had that evidence but there are many, many people sitting in prison convicted on circumstantial evidence alone. Many people in prison for murder where they didnt even have a body. Key is REASONABLE DOUBT. If a set of coincidences and evidence say, is presented to the average joe citizen, and he can look himself in the mirror and say, "Yep. I have NO DOUBT, even though there is not much evidence, that this guy DID IT, and can convince 11 other people of the same...bye bye hoodrats.
I will say again, there is a large amount of politicking going on, huge egos, and I'm sure much money also. If the DA is in charge of his own balls, he will sign the arrest warrant if police bring SOMETHING to him that could possibly be won on beyond a reasonable doubt, and let the cards fall where they may in court. This could be a long time coming tho.

mom2many said...

Compare these two statements:
*The husband has been 100% cleared.

*I want you to say, "The husband has been 100% cleared."

In the video, the reporter says he was told some version of the second statement.

jbb said...

I have been looking at Taylor's and Watson's arrest records for the Amanda Blackburn murder. There are many "order of protections" listed. I do not understand some of the abbreviations in the records and all wording is very brief. What does this mean: Order of protection for the two charged or order of protection for people like police officers who arrested them, etc? I thought that (police officers, etc.) because I saw an officer's name next to one. Hopefully, my question is clear. Can anyone enlighten me on what an "order of protection" means listed on the arrest record? Thx!

Anonymous said...

Regarding the husband being "cleared," why are there zero named sources from the police? On Friday of that week, afterthe "husband cleared" rumors were made, LE had a press conference. No one said DB was cleared. If he was cleared, especially with a >100% magnitude, I would have expected LE to say it out loud during that press conference. They did not, and in my opinion, that speaks volumes.

A statement of that importance ought to have a name connected to it. "Police said" doesn't cut it for me.

-cookie

rosy said...

Anonymous jbb said...
at 9:49 PM
I have been looking at Taylor's and Watson's arrest records for the Amanda Blackburn murder. There are many "order of protections" listed. I do not understand some of the abbreviations in the records and all wording is very brief. What does this mean....?
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Are these arrest records available online?
Order of protection typically means an order taken out against someone who has been judged to pose a threat of violence or abuse to another person such as wife or girlfriend.

In addition, "A parent or guardian can file a petition for an Order of Protection for a child."
- See more at: http://www.indianalegalservices.org/node/17/general-information-about-orders-protection

JBB said...

Here's one:

https://mycase.in.gov/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=21900787

mom2many said...

They can't be linked directly. When you follow the link, click criminal cases, select defendant in the drop down and then enter the first and last name of one of the accused. Select open cases and that will bring up current charges.

JBB said...

If you "copy/paste" the link, it will open that way also. But yes, going to mycase.in.gov and searching "criminal and citation records" database will work too.

Anonymous said...

Can't take my eyes off this case. Trying to keep up with comments and it's difficult with a FT job. Forgive me if this has been explored...
Googled the statistics of murder within home invasions and found this --(link within a link from the dept of justice). https://www.quora.com/How-many-people-are-killed-during-home-invasions-every-year
Granted, it's a study between 2003-2007, but still.....

JBB said...

https://mycase.in.gov/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=22333782

Some activity was recorded in court today for Diano Gordon

JBB said...

Gordon is noted as stating that he will hire private counsel. The other two charged have public defenders.

Boston Lady said...

Interesting. I just typed in google, Davey Blackburn, Indianpolis Polise clear him and this article came up Notice the wording in this. No 100% and it indicates he was ruled out as a person of interest.

From 11/14/15

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/suspect-slaying-indianapolis-pastors-wife-was-seen-video-cops-n463116

Davey Blackburn said he came home to find his wife shot. He has been ruled out as a person of interest in the case, police told NBC News.

Boston Lady said...

Yikes.. sorry about those typo's. Indianapolis and police.

rosy said...

JBB said...
at 10:38 PM
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Thanks!

rosy said...

All twelve Protection Orders were filed against Larry J. Taylor 11/23/2015 and served next day.

https://mycourts.in.gov/PORP/Search/Results?PageSize=20&PageIndex=0

In the Marion Superior Court 5, Criminal Division (49G05), Marion County, Indiana
Case No. 49G05-1511-MR-041732, (01)

A Protective Order has been filed against:
LARRY J. TAYLOR
Respondent
Born: 1997
Order issued on:
11/23/2015
Respondent successfully served on:
11/24/2015

https://mycourts.in.gov/PORP/Search/Detail?ID=1093835

rosy said...

jbb said...
at 9:49 PM
Order of protection for the two charged or order of protection for people like police officers who arrested them, etc?
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Judging from the date the Orders of Protection were filed, 23 November, against Larry Taylor, they were to protect arresting officers and maybe other LE personnel.

Anonymous said...

rosy said...
jbb said...
at 9:49 PM
Order of protection for the two charged or order of protection for people like police officers who arrested them, etc?
------------
Judging from the date the Orders of Protection were filed, 23 November, against Larry Taylor, they were to protect arresting officers and maybe other LE personnel.
December 18, 2015 at 12:04 AM


Those protective orders prohibit Taylor from contacting witnesses. Eleven witnesses are listed on the charging documents. The CI would be number 12.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

CJ @ 11:20 AM Dec.17

"CJ said...

BB at 3:41 am,

Let's test this.

Here is where I am currently:

If Larry Taylor and Davey Blackburn were on trial today for the murder of Amanda Blackburn and I was sitting on the jury I would vote to acquit both on grounds of reasonable doubt.

Thoughts for/against? Anyone?"
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CJ- I get where you are coming from. For me, the nail scrapings and DNA would factor heavily. While no one has/may confess (the hearsay is neither here nor there for me), the video surveillance tapes would be key for me. If Davey testifies that he left an alive and well Amanda at 6:11 AM, according to evidence, he should be on video leaving the home. Likewise, any perp entering and exiting the home will be on video tape as well. The video surveillance tapes from neighbors will narrow it down to either Davey or the perps. The bad news for Davey, absent strong perp DNA, is that it very well may come down to Davey's word against the perps because the witness hearing the scream and shots cannot state definitively under oath the exact time she heard the shots. The perps defense lawyer can claim that yes they robbed Amanda, but barring forensic evidence that the weapon was theirs and one of them shot Amanda, he's going to say it was someone who entered the house after they left...which is Davey (unless there's another person on video entering the house after the perps). Davey's gym alibi and his KW phone call mean nothing in that case. Again, I think it would really depend upon the DNA evidence, as well as financials, motive, etc. I think Davey's sermons and videos, his interviews, his demeanor, and incessant tweets of Amanda's diary would not sit well with a jury. A jury deals in facts, not his brand of "faith". Should he take the stand, he will be in trouble. He's intelligent and good at double speak, but he does not think well on his feet (per his rambling and disjointed thought processes in interviews with various news outlets). His brand of deception requires prior planning and practice runs to get it just right. He's not a very fluent speaker or liar when he's not the one in control. He has to try so hard to control the information and project the right image and emotion that his speech is jerky, abrupt, unnaturally vague and detached. He's very wordy trying to sound self-assured and confident, but with little to no meaningful substance. No matter how much he is coached, that's not going to change.I think, minus strong DNA evidence/plea deals/confessions, defense attorneys for the perps could effectively create reasonable doubt using Davey sermons and interviews. Just my 2 cents.

JBB said...

anon 12:17 AM and Rosy--
Thanks for the clarification on the orders of protection. I wasn't sure what that meant. Thanks for the explanation.

Anonymous said...

JBB said...

anon 12:17 AM and Rosy--
Thanks for the clarification on the orders of protection. I wasn't sure what that meant. Thanks for the explanation.

December 18, 2015 at 1:12 AM

You're welcome. I should have specified eleven non-official witnesses.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Re: Weston in the house

Frankly, if I found my spouse naked (for all intents and purposes), lying face down in a pool of blood, with their belongings strewn about and decorative accessories knocked over, I'd check my spouse for breathing first. I'd run upstairs and check my child in their crib. I would leave my child in the crib, safe and contained. There's no way, I could handle my toddler and provide aid to my heavily bleeding spouse. Nor would I traumatize my toddler, with an immobile, non-responsive naked "Mommy" and my own palpable fear that my toddler would definitely pick up on. I would need to focus on the 911 dispatcher and his/her questions and instructions. I would need to reassure my spouse and comfort them as much as possible. With EMTs on the way, I would feel the need to be outside flagging them down and likely would have screamed for a neighbor and delegated that to them. While my spouse was being initially evaluated/the house was being cleared, I'd be calling the closest relative or trustworthy friend to meet us at the hospital and take over care of my child. After EMTs loaded my spouse for transport, I'd grab and comfort my child, grab a diaper bag and snacks, and head for the ER.

We don't know that Davey did not run up to check Weston, therefore we cannot assume and say so. Likewise, the Probable Cause doc did NOT say Davey left Weston behind- so neither can we. It simply states that when LE cleared the home, they found no additional persons besides Weston-clearly Amanda and Davey were already visible. Food for thought- Responding Firefighters /LE may have prevented Davey from going upstairs to get Weston until the scene was cleared. They are not required to state that in a Probable Cause document. That information would be in LE & EMT statements, not probable cause to determine charges.

Amy Smith said...

These Resonate dudes seem to enjoy posting pictures of their guns. Jeremy Hendricks tweet 12/3/15: I miss this gun! Soon very soon, i will own you again! #TaurusJudge instagram.com/p/-2nxlGv5F2/https://twitter.com/themrdudeman/status/672606251101089792

Anonymous said...

@Mom2many 4:16pm

THANK YOU !!!!

#Justice for A-W-E

Anonymous said...

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

The bad news for Davey, absent strong perp DNA, is that it very well may come down to Davey's word against the perps because the witness hearing the scream and shots cannot state definitively under oath the exact time she heard the shots. The perps defense lawyer can claim that yes they robbed Amanda, but barring forensic evidence that the weapon was theirs and one of them shot Amanda, he's going to say it was someone who entered the house after they left...which is Davey (unless there's another person on video entering the house after the perps). Davey's gym alibi and his KW phone call mean nothing in that case.
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There's a very narrow window of time between the KW phone call and the 911 call when Davey could have shot Amanda. Her physical condition, volume of blood loss, blood chemistry, vital signs, etc., and even the condition of blood at the scene, i.e, drying, coagulation, can be used to estimate the time of the shooting with sufficient accuracy to show the elapsed time exceeded 30 minutes.

If the forensic evidence corroborates the neighbor's recollection, and the cell phone records which place Taylor at the house when the neighbor recalls hearing gunshots, not to mention the eyewitness statements and surveillance video from before and after the reported gunshots, the defense lawyer's claim wouldn't pass the muster. There would be little reasonable doubt on my part, were I a juror.

As for the other, there's not only reasonable doubt, there's a mountain of it. It's difficult even to entertain that option because there is not one shred of known, hard evidence that would place him on trial for murder.

rosy said...

Anonymous said...
at 12:17 AM
and at 1:30 AM

Those protective orders prohibit Taylor from contacting witnesses. Eleven witnesses are listed on the charging documents. The CI would be number 12.
....I should have specified eleven non-official witnesses.
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Thank you for the clarification!


M said...

Amy - Posting pics of a new gun purchase wouldn't be that unusual around here. I think I've made it clear that I'm no DB fan, but the gun stuff is not unusual.

Aren't you in TX? Depending on where you are, I would think you'd know some folks who are pretty proud of their firearm collections, too.

My husband wouldn't post pics on social media, but anytime he gets a new gun there's a pow-wow in the garage for all the guys to look at and admire it. The reason he wouldn't post pics is because he doesn't care for strangers to know about them. Our neighborhood had several break-ins last summer. Fortunately, nothing was taken from us although they were able to raise our garage door. It's good to keep things very securely locked up.....especially firearms!

You all might find it interesting to know that we live on a cul-de-sac and in a very safe area. The stuff stolen from our neighbors was found in Indy...sold at a pawn shop by known gang members. I'm sure we would have never known except for the fact that one of our neighbors is a detective with the sheriff's dept and wanted his stuff back. It wasn't the gang members who stole it. There were some drug addicts who stole it and traded it for drugs.

Anonymous said...

You forget one thing Anon @ 2:39, Davey did not leave the home that morning until 6:11 a.m., more than half an hour later than his usual time of going to the gym at 5:30 a.m. This gives Davey plenty of time to have shot Amanda and staged the scene before leaving, carelessly (but deliberately) leaving the front door unlocked for the previously arranged perps to gain entry.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Davey also fritter away approximately another half an hour between the time he hung up his call with KW and entering the house finding Amanda down; so what was he doing with this half an hour prior to the EMT's arrival, doing more staging, including leaving the dog lose inside to wander around and lick on Amanda's wounds? I haven't read anywhere that he came right in and seeing Amanda down he called for EMT's immediately, while sidestepping LE. Did he? What was he doing with all this extra time, waiting for Amanda to die?

It is irrelevant for all practical purposes as to when neighbors claim they heard two shots and a woman screaming since not one bothered to call 911, meaning there is no proof as to when or who heard what, or even if they did. Besides, there were three shots, not two, and possibly a fourth shot that went into a wall, that is, if this hearsay 'wall' story is true.

That we don't know, but we do know there was at least three shots pumped into Amanda and not just two the neighbors said they heard. So, who fired that third shot, which could have actually been the first shot, fired by Davey before he ever left for the gym, or even after he got back, seeing the job wasn't quite done good enough so he intended to finish her off. Didn't anyone ever hear of firing a gun through a pillow to muffle the sound? Davey has an unaccounted for half an hour before he left for the gym and approx an unaccounted for half an hour after he arrived home from the gym.

Ha... not to mention him and these strangers passing in the night up and down the road coincidentally meeting up at a prearranged location with each other to hand off Amanda's debit card, the blue bag, and etc etc. Amanda's murder is not as easily passed off and just a home invasion burglary gone wrong murder as one might think.

All which brings me full circle back to LE declaring him cleared within the next day or two, three at most, (refer to Boston Lady's post above), when they couldn't have possibly done much checking and verification of his exact movements and on-scene evidence during this short window of time; and when they hadn't even arrested the perps this soon so they couldn't have done much questioning of them either.

Had LE only taken has word for his whereabouts, verifying his time clocked in and out at the gym before clearing him and possibly viewed neighborhood cc tv showing what time he left and returned home? They have steadfastly stood by their clearance of Davey even as a person of interest.

No matter how guilty he looks and sounds; is there more we don't know that is going on behind the scenes? We sure haven't heard anything about it if there is, although he just keeps on and on throwing his guilt in everyone's face who is listening, but is LE listening? I sure hope so. ABB

Anonymous said...

I've heard of no contact orders(restricts communincation) while in custody, but never protective orders (reduce risk if physical harm)being served on people that are and will remain in custody until trial.

Could these have been issued on the Defendant's behalf to offer them protection against violence and/or coercion from fellow inmates and others with gang ties?

Anonymous said...

I watched part of a show last night on 20/20 where a minister/pastor out in Texas had murdered his wife, where cops believed the 'suicide' story he had hoaxed up and declared the case closed. He was very good at lying with a straight face, making it out to be a suicide and presented himself as holier than thou, with everyone supporting and believing the poor bereaved widower. All but the wifes' family, who did not believe the husbands' suicide story; and long after they kept on top of badgering LE to investigate him. LE flat out refused, even all but slamming the door in their face when they would not give up.

The family finally decided to do their own investigating, uncovering his adulterous affair; even then LE refused to cooperate for a very long time. They did nail him eventually and brought the mistress in to testify against him who did know of his pot to kill her and knew exactly how he did it. He is in prison now, but it was not easy, particularly working with local LE who refused all along the way to cooperate with the family until eventually they had no choice. His final interview with media was with him in prison still denying (without blinking an eye!) that he killed her when it was proved that he did, admitting only to the affair and lying about the affair.

Something like this could happen with the Amanda Blackburn case; maybe it will take someone forcing LE to seriously investigate Davey, and sticking with it until they do. I don't know, that's for sure; I just hope they do. ABB

Not a Robot said...

ABB, the tweet from KW was at 8:18 am and DB's 911 call was at 8:22 am, so it seems that not more than a few minutes passed. Seems an appropriate amount of time time walk in, find Amanda, check for a pulse, maybe make a quick sweep of the house to ensure no one is still there, and call for help. Especially considering the Twitter time stamp and the 911 time stamp may be a minute or so off from each other.

Anonymous said...



Photographing a handgun and uploading it does three things:
1)identifies the gun a thief/criminal may want
2)gives thief address of where it can be obtained
3)may provide thief with schedule of when the owner of weapon will be away from home or car.


An more potent example of what can happen with unsecured weapons and their haphazard owners:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/12/17/professor-who-says-sandy-hook-massacre-is-a-hoax-and-allegedly-harassed-parents-of-victims-gets-fired/

lynda said...

Once and for all....from the PC affidavit

"A bullet hole was later discovered in the base of the stairwell. A lead bullet was recovered from under the stairs."

This was the bullet that went "thru and thru" her back.

I am surprised that Alonzo and Donae have not been arrested since their apt. is where the 3 went after killing Amanda and according to the CI, Alonzo had been in contact with perps during the murder, and Alonzo and Donae BOTH knew they had killed Amanda. I'm wondering if Alonzo is the CI, not Giorno.

lynda said...

Interesting tweet from DAvey this morning

https://twitter.com/daveyblackburn?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

He actually highlights "and after you have suffered a little while"

Anonymous said...

Thank you Robot @8:29 for making this vital correction. I had said, somebody correct me if I'm wrong and I appreciate your clarification of the time Davey hung up with KW and subsequently called for the EMT's. This doesn't mean, of course, that he hadn't already walked into the house while still talking with KW, however, assuming there would have been working cc's videoing him as he walked in the house, one would have to assume this time would be correct. In any case, thank you. ABB

Thank you too Lynda, for 'once and for all' clarifying that a bullet hole was later discovered in the base of the stairwell with a lead bullet being recovered from under the stairs' although I had read more than once that a bullet was taken from the wall with a section of the wall being removed, not clarifying that it was actually the baseboard or base of the stairs; not that it matters much, I suppose.

Much grateful to you for reiterating facts taken from the PC affidavit, that admittedly I have not read. I just really don't have time to read everything or to watch all the videos and sermons, but do admit that seeing anything that pertains to Davey Blackburn and this kind of warped ministry being perpetrated by him and preacher Nobel and their ilk; all that is pure blasphemy through and through, and that people are falling for this upsets me very much and gets depressing.

I do know that some have said Amanda was shot in the back of her shoulder, now it is clarified she was shot thru her back. The poor girl, whoever did this to her had every intention of making sure she was thoroughly dead.

I agree, there are a lot of lose ends that still have not been tied together; I'm thinking (and believing) that the main culprit mastermind has not even been thoroughly looked at. What else can we think? Thanks again, Lynda. ABB

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Anonymous said...

Actually she is, Anon @9:46, lol, but seemed to have corrected herself somewhat and I thought was doing better.... ABB

Anonymous said...

Lynda; isn't Davey's scripture post this morning "and after you have suffered a little while" taken from one of those of apostle Paul? OOOOkay.

Paul inflicted a lot more suffering than he ever experienced, going around killing(we don't even know how many) Christians before he had his 'Damascus Road experience' changing his name from Saul to Paul, going about preaching and getting away with his many murders; telling people to "follow me as I follow Christ". Duh...? And nobody notices this but you and me? I certainly have never read where he was ever arrested and prosecuted for his many murders, have you? Go figure. ABB

mom2many said...

It's from 1 Peter, attributed to the apostle Peter.

lynda said...

Mom2many...I haven't looked it up so it may be attributed to Peter. ABB and I have some major problems with Paul :)

Anonymous said...

Thank you Mom2Many. That's good to know where/who it came from. If I took the time to look up these scriptures I might know where they came from, right? I have read them all, actually more than once, but it is the teachings of Jesus and The Psalms and Proverbs that I can almost quote verbatim in most instances; not that I do.

As to Davey, I doubt this boy has ever really suffered a day in his life, including now. Some nerve, trying to appear to 'suffer' a little. Suffer, my butt. He doesn't know the meaning of the word. ABB

Anonymous said...

You and I aren't the only ones who have issues with Paul, Lynda. So did most of the apostles who followed Jesus. They knew well the teachings of Jesus. They did not take it lightly where Jesus taught them; "take heed that you follow no man lest you both fall into the ditch," and many more such warnings to them and to us.

Paul came along more than three years later bringing some new rules of judgment, etc., that had never been taught by Jesus, and HOW the congregations were to follow; later saying, "follow ME as I follow Jesus." Says WHO? So what are we to do, throw out everything Jesus had already taught and follow Paul? I don't think so. Not when it's clear that it isn't even possible to follow Paul AND Jesus at the same time. It just isn't. All one has to do is read it for themselves. ABB

mom2many said...

I knew it right off because it is a passage that has spoken to my heart for many years. I also follow Jesus over Paul, and that is a large reason why I became Catholic after being raised Baptist. Growing up, the churches always seemed to be preaching in Paul's epistles, which have value but cannot be interpreted apart from solid grounding and infusion of Christ in the Gospels. Catholics read a OT, a psalm, an epistle passage and a Gospel every Sunday Mass, usually removing the NT reading for daily Mass. The priest typically preaches from the Gospel, although they have the freedom to preach from any or all of the readings. I'll stop there before I go even further off course. ;)

Anonymous said...

I can't remember if I already posted this ... so I'm posting . On Dec 3 , I sent a message to Indianapolis police department, about Treezy Jones being friends with Davey , and now they are not . And Treezy seems to have a connection to Alonzo Bull .
This is their response . Exact words .
"Thank you for reaching out to us reference this tragedy . Our investigators are looking at many possibilities but one they are not is the husband . Thank you for your continued concern for this tragedy . "

I find it very interesting that they made a point that the husband is NOT a possibility .

Kate said...

Anon@12:53, is there anyway you can post a screenshot of that email? Of course redacting your name and any personal info. I'd love to include it in my piece which should be up by this weekend.

lynda said...

Anon @ 12:53

Obviously, the police department has grade schoolers responding?

"Thank you for reaching out to us reference this tragedy"

I'm calling bullshit.

1. First sentence makes no sense.
2. Tragedy? Huh? A police dept would say investigation, homicide, murder...no tragedy
3. They would NEVER tell a civilian whom they were, or were not, "looking" at.
4. One of NS apostles, or DAvey's wrote the "email" with very old news for that matter.
5. Nice try tho...but I'm thinking no one here will believe it either.

lynda said...

ABB said

"Paul came along more than three years later bringing some new rules of judgment, etc., that had never been taught by Jesus, and HOW the congregations were to follow; later saying, "follow ME as I follow Jesus." Says WHO? So what are we to do, throw out everything Jesus had already taught and follow Paul? I don't think so. Not when it's clear that it isn't even possible to follow Paul AND Jesus at the same time. It just isn't. All one has to do is read it for themselves"

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EXACTLY, paul is NOT my savior. Also Christ, to my knowledge, didn't mention cross dressing, transgender, homosexuality, women shutting up in church, or abortion at all.

lynda said...

The two in jail now, Taylor and Watson have now been charged with rape and burlary in a SEPARATE case on November 3 on the west side. Again, NOT in Amanda's case, there are NO rape charges made in Amanda's case. This is a burglary that happened on Nov 3. Taylor did the raping they say.

http://cbs4indy.com/2015/12/18/suspects-in-murder-of-amanda-blackburn-face-rape-burglary-charges-in-separate-case/

Christina-Marie Wright said...

Thank you for saying this. My daughter is autistic, and has been diagnosed with ADHD. Your info is spot on.

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