Monday, December 21, 2015

"For Us, We Have Nothing To Hide"

                   What is my own conclusion in this matter?

Consider the lengthy discussion into the murder of Amanda Blackburn and why this case has caught such interest. 

A young pregnant woman is murdered in a home invasion robbery and with video tape, police announce quickly that the husband is not the shooter and shortly later, criminal thugs are arrested.  

Case closed?

Not so fast.  

When a pregnant woman is killed, especially in her own home, the husband or boyfriend is the statistically most likely killer, but here, with video, the killer is behind bars but interest in the case, instead of subsiding, actually increases the 'who done it' conversation. 

"For us, we have nothing to hide."  Davey Blackburn, on Fox News.  

Instead of saying how it feels to be investigated in answer to the question, Blackburn said it was "hard to swallow" and then added a line that immediately invites new questions:  "For us, we have nothing to hide."  Had he said, "I have nothing to hide" he would have invited 'search' and suspicion, but retreating to the plural, he doubled up on the suspicion, something he had been doing since his first words after her murder.  

The public quickly concluded what Blackburn's mentor would later say:  "Something is wrong with this guy."

Indeed. 

Statement Analysis of his statements issued and then of his interviews showed that Blackburn, in relation to the murder of his wife, is concealing or suppressing information.  His choice of words reveal deception via withholding information.  He uses the language of guilt.  

I have not concluded the source of guilt fully yet, however, basically because interviewers have avoided asking the very same questions they generally ask in murder cases.  Like Steve Doocey's embarrassing pass, they either ignore entirely any connection to the murder, or preface embarrassingly their questions with deference to ministry.  I do have a sense, though, as time has passed and he has spoken out again and again.  

There are various possibilities to the source of guilt which is being hid, but two main themes have emerged. A major difficulty, however, arises in the two: 

I.  Guilt due to prior knowledge of the murder
II.  Guilt over sexuality 

III.  Unknown

Q.  What is this major difficulty with the two?  
A.  The major difficulty is that the circumstances speak to both hypotheses 

I.  Guilt due to prior knowledge of the murder seems to dominate commentators here.  It is the suspicion of many in law enforcement.  Here is why:

a.  The marriage 

The husband's obsession is with numerical success and his wife wanted his attention.  This became very quickly a bad marriage, from the day the honeymoon ended.  He said it got worse when she became pregnant.  She became pregnant again and was murdered. The obsession with numerical success die his interpretation of Scripture to hyper-pragmatism; that is, "whatever it takes" which has led to a very specific choreography.  

b.  The timing 

The murder took place on the very day in which he always goes to the gym and always talks on the phone to the very same person but on this day, as luck would have it, the phone call kept him out of the house for 40 crucial minutes:  40 minutes which had he entered the house, might have led to earlier intervention into stopping the blood flow.  Might remaining outside the house for 40 minutes have cost her her life?

c.  The aftermath

Immediately after the murder, Blackburn showed little linguistic connection to the victims, instead focusing upon his career.  This was of alarm to Fox New, but what stood out more so to analysis is his utter lack of fear of the unknown killer returning to kill his son or himself.  The detached, driven husband's focus was solely on how many people he could get to notice his church through her death.  This was so dominant that he was incapable of stopping himself, even quoting the number of people who came to his church via the internet.  

If this wasn't bad enough, he went on to claim to have a conversation with divinity in which he received the news that his wife died for the church; supplanting Christ's own death, and that he was going to have a church that was so big that it had no historical precedence.  

That he mentioned the specific location of his meeting is significant in Statement Analysis:  the reference to water ("shower") is closely associated with sexual abuse.  That his wife's clothing was removed in her murder is not lost here, but the reference could also be due to his own childhood where he may have been a victim of sexual abuse, bringing him to the conflicting sexuality today. The connection with sexuality and deception is noted.  

The statements made and the behavior both show guilt in relation to the murder of his wife.  Is the source of guilt a prior knowledge of her murder?

This would mean some contact with a local gang where payment is made and low level gang members (kids) are sent out robbing, with the additional duty of murder.  The young gang members would not likely know of any connection and would not give up names of higher ranking gang members.  Better to go to prison silent, then go to prison and be sentenced to death as one who has revealed the information.  This would explain why he had no linguistic expressions of concern for his son, the neighborhood, himself, or for justice for Amanda.  

That he continues to subtly insult the victim also fits both categories:  guilty knowledge, and sexuality.  This adds to the confusion.  

II.  Guilt over sexuality. 

"For us, we have nothing to hide" was said in regard to the fact that police were investigating or looking into his life over Amanda's death.  This is not only to affirm that he has something to hide, but it gives the notion that what is hidden is in relation to someone else, with "we", but this too is then further emphasized, by the use of "us" in his statement. 

In the free editing process, he chose this word in less than a microsecond of time.  Either he needed to hide psychologically with "others", using the plural, or he is specifically thinking of at least one other person.   In either case, he compounds the guilt. 

Is what he has to hide sexuality?

Some of the very things in section one now support section two:  his lack of linguistic connection with Amanda, for example, could be guilt from either.  

It does not, however, explain the lack of fear, nor does it answer to the coincidental nature of the lengthy time on the driveway. 

What does support it?

1.  His self reported history. 

He spoke of a lie in high school that was told in which his parents, teachers, faculty, coaches and even peers abandoned him.  Lies will generally bring condemnation from peers or adults, in high school, but not both.  The only thing I can think of that even friends would not support is a destructive lie about sex.  This may have been severe enough to move to another city, and his father to give up his church and move to another.  

2.  His mentor's statements. 

His mentor not only told us that he recognized something "wrong with that boy" but in a memorial about Amanda, the mentor had Davey on the mind:  he spoke in sexualized terms about Blackburn, physically, as one would speak if sexually attracted.  The mentor qualified this with, "if you're a man you know what I am talking about" (to which men have said that they do not know what he means) to exclude himself as homosexual.  

His mentor's language appears supportive of this.  

3.  His own 'sermons.'

In video taping his messages, Blackburn wears tight fitting shirts, and walks back and forth, choreographing himself as if in a performance, while speaking repeatedly about sex:  specifically communicating to his audience of his great heterosexual sex drive; so much so that his wife, the victim, could not satisfy him.  His drive for sex with aa woman is so great that he said he was incapable of concentrating on dinner conversation.  This is the language of sexual addiction; something many gay men seek help for.  His need to convince his audience that he is a heterosexual is evident.  

4.  The disconnected language. 

Who would not give linguistic connection over the loss of his wife?

a.  One who orchestrated her death;  or...
b.  One who was trapped in a relationship  against his sexuality.  

The deception exists, but is its source guilty knowledge of the crime, or that of sexuality?

Lastly:

Or is it something else?

The Unknown. 

What do readers think?

"For us, we have nothing to hide" is:  

I.   Prior knowledge of her murder

II.  Sexuality 

III.  Something Else either unknown or both?

In either of the two above, his statement, "for us, we have nothing to hide" is specifically why defense attorneys do not let their clients speak.  

Police investigators know that this is something said when the subject is specifically thinking of something he does not wish to be known.  This is no different from a 7 year old boy who harbors a guilty secret. 

The 911 call has not yet been released, and we may see further arrests in this case still, as gang connections are made.   

In either case, he has 'outed' himself with this phrase of hidden guilt, inviting closer inspection.  

I have been long asked my opinion but have yet to give it...this, however, is where I am currently:  

With his additional statements, I think the guilty knowledge is about his personal life that he is hiding, and that Amanda may have known about.    I think a connection to the gang may have been found by now, yet, it is his language that persuades me that this is a co-occuring deception: 

that is a deception that happens during an investigation where the subject is deceptive, but it is about something else, appearing at the  time that creates suspicion. 

That he has been deceptive is clear, but where, and why, have been ongoing questions that I have become more comfortable categorizing with his subsequent statements.  

The 'shower' reference makes this argument stronger.  

With the release of the 911 call, this could change, and it is only an opinion of the source of the withheld information.  

The deception regarding sexuality is his own business.  If he continues to speak publicly and is not involved in the murder,  and his statements are in line with this, I will not be analyzing statements with regards to his sexuality.  





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maudes harold said...

Imagine if DB set this murder up to then save the souls of the killers?

In his mind, think how that could slingshot his career? His pastoring abilities were able to "transform" their lives...

A human is capable of conceiving that, sadly.

rosy said...

Kate and Maude.

yes I noticed the vest.

Re: his emotions and sharing of pain, the TV excerpt probably misses a lot out but on the basis of what it includes, he used a confrontational tone toward his listeners: "You don't think I've asked God? ... You don't think I've asked that?" A long pause after "I realize I don't have a home." Description of head forced under water.

He made a sympathetic, supportive, presumably LOVING audience to endure a harsh, almost accusatory expression of his pain. Not him evoking Amanda's pain. Anger is one response to grief, one stage of mourning, but this is distorted. This is sado-masochism.

JBB said...

Kate @ 1:05 AM--
Yes, I noticed the vest too. It made me think of Amanda wearing the one like it in the pic that's often shown of the she and DB--and is the pic that's on the "About" page of Resonate Church web site. I absolutely think it was deliberate. In my mind, I was left with the impression that DB wanted all the pieces of his show to come together......

lynda said...

Anonymous rosy said...
maudes harold said...
at 12:43 AM

Imagine the story that would be?? Bigger than Lesko's even.
What a diabolical plan if true.
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Taylor is facing a possible death penalty.

Back when he "pastored" a NewSpring FUSE group is SC, made up of grade 6-12 kids, Davey told them in one message that people wear a cross round their necks as if it was nothing much (an ornament, a piece of jewelry, forget his exact words); but the cross was for execution, so instead of a cross those people should wear a little electric chair.

He already had a frighteningly morbid streak.

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Davey's not very original. I remember reading several years ago a Jewish scholar? that wrote and article that stated for a Jew to see someone wearing a cross, it was insulting to them. He went on to explain that for a Jew, the cross is a symbol of ExEcUTION, not of God. He compared it to Jews wearing little electric chairs for the Gnetile population

JBB said...

So, with so many of us noticing the vest, I would say it was meant to have an impact. DB wore it deliberately. Agree?

maudes harold said...

I haven't watched the video. I can't watch him for too long. Maybe tomorrow morning, lol.

BB said...

He is so detached from reality. Has anybody close to him told him to stop being a preacher and just be a grieving husband? Why not? If he is innocent, then he is a human first and pastor second. That doesn't appear to be the case. HOWEVER, in all his older sermons his stories suggest he is human DAVEY first and pastor second. Not with Amanda's death. He is only pastor.

rosy said...

JBB said...
at 1:44Am

yes, definitely on the vest. Except, is he conscious of wearing it in imitation of Amanda? Or has he jumped the shark? Either way, for onlookers it's another sado-masochistic touch. It increases pain. For him, it might be comforting.

rosy said...

maudes harold said...

Imagine if DB set this murder up to then save the souls of the killers?
at 1:16 AM
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If that is what he did (and it would be very hard to do), saving their souls to catapult his career would be a rationalization over and above a desperate need to "get rid of" Amanda.

Motives for getting rid of Amanda could be rage at her for failing to catapult his career and/or need to shut her up before she disclosed some damaging information about him.

It would be also be a kind of restitution (crazy, mad) for plotting to put them in prison and at risk of execution.

If he did it he would be far out of touch with reality. No feasible career could ensue.

Kate said...

So glad you all were thinking the same about the vest. I know it wasn't Amanda's vest but I wouldn't doubt it if he wore her clothes on occasion.

It looked like quite a few people were there despite keeping it on the "down low".


JBB said...

Rosy @ 1:44 AM--
I see that it could be a "comfort" if he was wearing it anywhere else, like while gardening or on a walk as a way to reflect and remember his wife. Or did you mean "comfort" in another way--as in he's comforted by making people feel pain?

My overall impression of DB is that he is always performing and always marketing. I have watched a few videos on the church web site, and I am struck by the marketing of it all. For me, the vest was part of the "marketing of Amanda." DB needed the vest to remind people that she was "there" with them, so to speak.

rosy said...

Lynda,

according to FactChecker the person who compared the cross to the electric chair was Lenny Bruce, the comedian/satirist, in the 1960s.

Kate said...

One last mention on the vest. The color is more unique than the standard navy blue or black, he had to have known others would be triggered to think of Amanda upon seeing this. It's like it's all a game to him. Davey puts all his effort into mind screwing as many people as he possibly can.

IF law enforcement passed their opportunity to grab the flame throwing lunatic, they'll regret it. This type of psychotic nut job will strike again, guaranteed.

JBB said...

"according to FactChecker the person who compared the cross to the electric chair was Lenny Bruce, the comedian/satirist, in the 1960s."

Wow. DB has no problem plagiarizing and taking a story as his own! I'm sure he figured these young teens wouldn't know the difference. He's a first-class manipulator.

I'm still stuck on how he has manipulated this situation to the point that 3 dumb thugs (one of whom is facing two murder charges!) aren't shedding light on his part in this story.

JBB said...

Signing off for the night! I had to check in before bed to see what everyone had to say about DB's Resonate speech tonight! Great comments!
Merry Christmas to all:-)

rosy said...

JBB said...
at 2:01 AM

hard to tell how detached from reality he is. After someone dies it can be a comfort to hold onto a piece of clothing of theirs, even to wear it at times; and during mourning some people sometimes adopt mannerisms, traits or habits of their lost loved one.

Watching the clip I felt uncertain whether that applied. I did feel he was driven, consciously or otherwise, to cause his listeners pain. And his speech pattern, the pause, seemed theatrical. This too may be part of his alienation from normality.

rosy said...

Kate, JBB, lynda, Maudes, BB,

good night all.

Kate said...

Good night Rosy, JBB and all. Have a wonderful Christmas and Holiday season.

Thanks Peter for all you and your staff do, this really is a great place to be to both learn and discuss.

maudes harold said...

rosy,

A lot of birds could be killed and a few set free with the stone that was Amanda's murder.


I just watched the video. The water reference made me immediately think of waterboarding. It is a trauma-inducing cult tactic used for control over time. I know someone who was sued for waterboarding an employee as a sales training tactic. A virtuous, successful and highly regarded person in his church. It happens.

And while I understand water references are often related to sexual abuse, it can be both. DB even gestures a dunking.

My gaydar on him pinged the moment I saw him, but went off tonight even more. I also suspect DB might be interested in children as well, if not for the sexual control, then for the mind control. His very own little Zombie Nation.



maudes harold said...

I want to make it clear that homosexuality and pedophilia are separate things entirely, but there is and can be crossover, especially as it relates to prior abuse.

M said...

We can all get puffer vests at Old Navy today for $25!

Anonymous said...

OT: Anon, ref your post @12:43, 12/23/15, in re Tyler Perry Movies:

You asked so I googled Tyler Perry Movies and came up with everything as far as I know. The ones' I was specifically referring too are those where he plays as Madea, the family matriarch. I tell you, he is a scream as a black woman! 'She' lives with an old very black guy, supposedly the father of her grown daughter who is confused about who her father is; Madea calls him Silverback (the ape) and he refers to her as an old w'hore but they stick it out. He talks to himself a lot. She rules.

There is a lot of African American black dialogue in these movies and they excel at it, he quite brilliantly, actually they all do. Anything where he plays as Madea is unbelievably funny: "Madea's Witness Protection", "Madea Goes to Jail", "Madea's Family Reunion", "Diary of a Mad Black Woman", "Confessions of a Marriage Counselor", "Madea's Neighbors from Hell." Stick with those where Tyler is playing as Madea, I'm not sure if this includes Confessions of a Marriage Counseler. I promise you, you won't find anything funnier than these movies! ABB

Anonymous said...

ABB -
I just checked in and found your 8:36 reply on Tyler Perry movies!!
THANK YOU!!!!!!!! Ha ha!! Amazing timing!!! This is just what I need for this 4-day weekend! I am headed to the video store!! Happy Christmas Eve to you!!!!

Anonymous said...

I emailed a friend the other day "I feel lately like I'm drowning" and shared with him the flashbacks of early-childhood sexual abuse I have suddenly been experiencing. I spoke to my physician about it yesterday, and plan to follow her referral to a mental-health professional, and my doctor has also offered to prescribe anti-anxiety or anti-depressants if I want them. I'm okay, and plan to face this down with help of professionals. But I found it striking that DB said he feels lately like he's drowning. I have long felt he is the victim of childhood sexual abuse. Maybe I'm just projecting - ha ha!

Anonymous said...

Is there a link to Davey's sermon from last night (12/23/15)? I can't seem to find it by searching, or on Resonate's website.

Thanks & Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays & Winter Warmth to all!

-L

Anonymous said...

OK, I found channel 13 news coverage:

http://www.wthr.com/story/30823812/davey-blackburn-returns-to-congregation-for-christmas-service#

Ironically, Amanda was mentioned more in that sermon than in PN's sermon at her Celebration service. And, Davey acknowledged her righteousness...Yet, of course, it was all twisted for his purposes. Personally, I don't think it's bizarre for him to (privately) pray for the salvation of those who killed her. But, again, he made it public, for his gain. And, obviously, she did not choose to die, while refusing to denounce her faith. So, as mentioned, she was not a martyr. Goodness, Davey has a huge plan up his sleeve, it seems. (And, yes, his video performances are so difficult and nauseating to watch.)

-L

Anonymous said...

Peter, re your post from yesterday to Bobcat @6:08 p.m., again you refer to how very smart Davey is, in your opinion. If you don't object, I'd like to know how you arrive at this conclusion?

He may have a higher than average IQ, this would be in manipulative powers of persuasion over the 51% of the population (this is proved by the condition of this country caused by the 51% plus who GOT us in this condition due to those who used their manipulation powers to persuade them); those who are under but not up to his manipulation level and are influenced by him, but beyond this I consider him quite stupid.

You realize there are people like me who have just as high an IQ, (as several others here do), if not higher, who can see right through the stupidness of his manipulation domination of those who are of a lessor and gullible mentality, seeing clearly how he is misleading them with his unperfected fake smartness that he carries off so well. Now you tell me; how 'smart' is this?

He is not smart due to the fact that he has not used his smartness, education, or any other of his possible abilities for any productive purpose other than to fine tune pseudo bullying others mentally and emotionally around to his way of thinking, which is not smart at all; when in fact, his way of thinking is wrong and serves no useful purpose to anyone. Just his manner in demeaning and undermining women proves how smart he is not. In every way he cunningly talks down to others he considers beneath his so-called intellect and this is his way of controlling them.

To this end he has perfected his fake lingo, even bringing God into the mix, which appears to make him 'smart', but if he had to go out today and find a productive career outside that which he has so carefully cultivated under false pretenses, he would not be able to do it; probably not even as a smart cab driver who would be able to follow a street map, whereas those of us who have honestly cultivated our talents in positive and ethical ways would be able to go into any number of careers successfully if we had too, including driving a cab. Instead, he uses his only 'talent' to influence others into supporting him while he keeps them in line.

Is this smart? Not at all. So please, tell me if you don't mind, how are you seeing Davey Blackburn as being very smart when I see it as utterly stupid to devote one's self to living a life of deceit and manipulation of those of a weaker mind or intellect. They never have anywhere to go but down, certainly not up, and eventually fall with a thud. THANK YOU for enlightening me! ABB

Rella said...

ABB-

I don't see him as very smart either. I see him as someone who may be smart in some areas, but overall, not of high intelligence. I have a close relative who behaves much the same as DB. She is smart in some ways, but for the most part, she is very good at getting people to believe she is of high intelligence. She's very manipulative also.

Anonymous said...

Anon @8:40, you have a wonderful Christmas Eve too, and a very Merry Christmas! As you can see, I'm more in tune with fun movies, not tear jerkers per'se. I like lightening the load and steering my mind towards the fun side of life, if there is one, and not dwelling on unhappy when/if I can help it.

Would you believe, my most favorite current rerunning show is "The Middle"? I just love that show as it is so real as life was/is in Indiana & Ohio. However, I do like and appreciate The Discovery Channel and The History Channel as well. Lately I've been involved with The Hitler Hunt. YOu know, I am honestly starting to believe he got away and didn't kill himself at all!

There are also lots of other good shows. Have a relaxing holiday season, keep it light hearted where possible. All we really need to remember is the true meaning of the season and that we are not alone; not thinking of old times past that can never be recovered. EVERYONE, HAVE A WONDERFUL C'MAS EVE, AND A MERRY MERRY... ABB

Anonymous said...

ABB 9:30,
I've noticed some people so smart their intellect seems to "sparkle". People in that category: Al Roker, Pat Condell (youtuber), Ronnie Reagan (Ronald Reagan's son), Michael Moore, Meryl Streep, JFK, Al Sharpton. There might be some I'm forgetting. Jennifer Lawrence is another one (unless I'm confusing her candidness and sense of humor with intelligence). But Davey Blackburn would never go into that category for me. He just really isn't even close.

Anonymous said...

Peter:

Canada here. I'm very discouraged about this case. Do you have any concrete evidence LE is still digging into it and that they are considering the ridiculous number of so called coincidences?

Thank you

Anonymous said...

Peter 10:01 and 10:04 I believe you know what you're talking about. I admit I hadn't thought about the on-going deception aspect of it, and the amount of extra intellectual horse-power that would no doubt be required for that.

Anonymous said...

Rella @9:44, I don't even see him as smart in some areas. I see him as using his manipulative and persuasive powers as working hard at not working, living off the hard earned work of others who actually have paying jobs.

Anyone with a higher IQ has these same powers Rella, we just don't cultivate them, beguiling the gullible. We practice right from wrong and reject deceiving others just because we can. We use our head for something besides a hat rack, using our talents and abilities to actually achieve something by our own intellect and hard work, NOT sucking in others to support us.

Davey Blackburn has not in any way attempted to accomplish anything other than deceitful practices and this is NOT smart. Hell, he can't even do that well. IF he hasn't already, he WILL fall flat on his ass and THIS is very stupid. Forget the IQ, the honest hard-working cab driver is smarter than he is. ABB

lynda said...

Peter...EXACTLY! I agree wholeheartedly. Also I believe you to be correct that he would demolish the average LE during an interrogation.

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Anonymous rosy said...
Lynda,

according to FactChecker the person who compared the cross to the electric chair was Lenny Bruce, the comedian/satirist, in the 1960s.

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Oh my gosh! I thought it was a Jewish Scholar lol. Well, at least Bruce was Jewish and .it could be argued that Bruce's comedic monologues at times bordered on genius.

December 24, 2015 at 2:02 AM

Sus said...

After yesterday's comments from DB, I leaned over the fence to involved a bit more.

I notice it is "she and I" that moved to Indianapolis. Not his common WE. I propose that DB was resentful toward Amanda about the move. His church wasn't doing well. His friends' were. It was her family in Indiana, not his.

"to reach people just like the people who killed her." I don't know what to make of this. It's a comparison. People is a collective group. He's not speaking of those who killed her, but people JUST LIKE them. Is this another round a bout way of saying this is what she wanted to do?

He then changes PEOPLE to THESE THREE GUYS. His perception changes. They were people when they were in a collective of Indianapolis and Amanda wanted to reach out to them. They are now the softer guys when DB will bring them to Jesus. They are part of his life now, shown with "these" and "this."

I don't know how he did it. But I believe he may have set up a means of getting out of Indianapolis. I don't believe for one second that he thinks Amanda's killers will find Jesus. That's for show. He's trying to get out of his "calling" to be there. How better than for his wife to be killed by the very people they went there to reach.

lynda said...

Just watched the video blip that the news had. Davey has been reading and listening and practicing. He at least says nice things about her (says I know, instead of I knew) when speaking of her righteousness. Used present tense. It's odd, but I think his pausing after making certain statements, I think he was actually thinking there was going to be applause. Then he sits on the stage with his legs hanging off and actually says "when they KILLED her." It is no longer an event, or situation, or minimization although there is more emphasis placed on the word MURDER than KILLED. They could have killed her in a car accident. They murdered her in her home with violence and a weapon.

When the whole service comes up...I will transcribe

Anonymous said...

Anon @9:52, I could roll by you any number of people who are smarter and of much higher intellect than Davey Blackburn is or ever will be. Some of these people got lucky, were in the right place at the right time; but were also smart enough to pull it off. Very few smart and successful people had it all dumped into their lap without using some ability to further their progress on their own with hard work.

Unfortunately, some of higher intellect fail to see opportunities that are right under their nose and continue on making life hard for themselves while giving it all they've got, but I can't see where Davey Blackburn has ever even tried to carve out any opportunity for himself other than using his deceitful practices.

I don't think he would see an intelligent and honest opportunity if it bit him on the butt. Just him saddling himself with a bad location for his plant ministry in Indy proves he has no foresight. Not a dab. ABB

Anonymous said...

Lynda, where did you get the Peter comment where you agree, (your post @10:21), where Davey would be able to demolish the average LE during an interrogation? I don't doubt that, bearing in mind "the average LE".

This may be entirely true considering that so many of them have no expertise in dealing with a manipulative Davey Blackburn or in investigating a murder. However, there are others out there who would not be so easily deceived by him. They are not all inexperienced or of a lessor IQ. Just, where ARE they is my question? ABB

Hey Jude said...

You, too, ABB - a peaceful and blessed Christmas to all. :)

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Thanks, Peter, for the great blog - and for putting up with some of us.


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(AKA Juliet - got an account)

Anonymous said...

You made some excellent points there Sus, at 10:22, also good questions. Definitely something to think about. Got to go now, cooking, etc.... ABB

Hey Jude said...

I was responding to ABB's 'good wishes for Christmas to everyone' post. :)

I have hardly any real cooking to do, as I've have been extravagant and bought all pre-prepared for the first time ever - and just two guests this year so a quiet Christmas. :) I'm thinking about Amanda not getting to have Christmas, and little Weston - so sad, RIP Amanda.

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Davey - well, he should probably wait for the investigation's conclusion and a trial before he speaks with confidence about who killed Amanda and their unborn child. Jumping the gun there.

JMTO said...

Sus said:

He then changes PEOPLE to THESE THREE GUYS. His perception changes. They were people when they were in a collective of Indianapolis and Amanda wanted to reach out to them. They are now the softer guys when DB will bring them to Jesus. They are part of his life now, shown with "these" and "this."

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Even with him being a pastor- it is unbelievable to me from the get go that he has used soft language to describe Amanda's killers.

A complete conundrum.

But if I were DB- and I hired a bunch of thugs to murder my wife and make it look like a burglary gone wrong- I probably wouldn't want to offend them by saying anything ignorant, or make angry comments about them, or their lives/livelihood, criminal activity.

You never know- one of them might talk.

I mean - where is the anger?
I can see forgiveness and trying to help them later on- but so soon??

Hey Jude said...

I just watched the news clip

http://www.wthr.com/story/30823812/davey-blackburn-returns-to-congregation-for-christmas-service

Davey lacks respect for the supposed 'church' setting (it looks like an over decorated mall - what is that?), nor for his audience - he's speaking to them with his hand in his pocket, whilst also asking accusatory rhetorical questions of them, which makes it appear as if he presupposes that all present doubt him. The hand in the pocket is arrogant - he's not meant to be giving a lecture.

I'll look forward to seeing the full video online, and the transcript. He's so obmoxious, it's fascinating.

Anonymous said...

A few weeks before Amanda was killed, the Resonate band was going to play a song called "Black Widow". Don't know which "Black Widow" song it was, but Iggy Azalea has one with that title. Derek is the associate pastor at Resonate.

derekmbarrettPerks of learning "Black Widow" for @resonateindy : rapping as loud as I can in the mall while my wife tries to get away #wannagetaway.

https://www.instagram.com/p/86YwebkONM/

Some lyrics from the Izzy A. song:

I'm gonna love ya Until you hate me And I'm gonna show ya What's really crazy You should've known better Than to mess with me, honey I'm gonna love ya, I'm gonna love ya Gonna love ya, gonna love ya Like a black widow, baby

This twisted cat and mouse game always starts the same First we're both down to play then somehow you go astray We went from nothing to something, liking to loving It was us against the world and now we just fucking It's like I loved you so much and now I just hate you Feeling stupid for all the time that I gave you I wanted all or nothing for us ain't no place in between Might, might be me believing what you say that you never mean Like it'll last forever but now forever ain't as long If it wasn't for you I wouldn't be stuck singing this song You were different from my last but now you got it mirrored And as it all plays out I see it couldn't be clearer

Anonymous said...

There is a Christina Griffiths (same last name as Megs) that is a producer for Fox in Indy and also a member of Resonate church.

One of her posts:

If you haven't already, take an hour out of your day and watch @AmandaGrace's celebration service: #nothingiswasted
nothingiswasted.net

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:S6EQdh_X2b4J:www.belediyehaberleri.com/kullanici/ChristinaMGriff+&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Hey Jude said...

I don't even know what 'forgiveness' might mean to Davey, and in that context - JMTO. I think he could only forgive for the effect Amanda's death has had upon him personally (he seems unaffected, except positively) - so even there, what is there for him to forgive? The rest is not his call to make, IMO. If he's involved, he's beyond to have even mentioned forgiveness, let alone go round claiming it a few days after Amanda was murdered. Or killed, as he prefers.

JMTO said...

Juliet or Hey Jude,

I'm talking IF he would be innocent.
Where is the anger?
"These guys"

I have been long convinced of his involvement- but I try to look at it from both angles either way, and if he had nothing to do with Amanda's murder- I cannot understand why it would be a "conundrum" when he was asked about finding out who did it- bc Amanda would have wanted them to be forgiven or would have forgiven them already (I am paraphrasing) but basically yes we would like to know but Amanda wouldn't want that........what?

And then to refer to them as "these guys" and her and Evie being "killed" - then offering to help them find Jesus?

Not buying it.

He has more anger towards his congregation than he does towards the men who burglarized his home and the man that may have sexually assaulted and then murdered his wife and unborn child.

rosy said...

Mdkd6262 said...
at 5:09
maudes harold said...
at 3:41
re waterboarding and re gaydar and kids

"a quarrelsome wife is worse than a constant dripping on a rainy day" "ladies you are basically waterboarding your husband"
================
yes, he was experiencing anguish as PTSD from dunking or waterboarding torture.

Incidentally he mentions teaching their dog to swim by throwing it in (the lake or pool) and adds words to the effect "not a good idea."

He is in a state of sado-masochism. Imposing pain on his listeners while re-experiencing (phantasmal, psychic) pain in himself. This might not be exceptional in someone who has lost a loved one to a violent crime in the home. Re-imagining the pain and humiliation they suffered and re-experiencing fear of violation of the privacy of the home and the loved one's body produces sensations that have to go somewhere, into flashback, nightmare, unstable behaviors, etc.

Davey, however, has been doing versions of this in his church sermons and messages since way back at Fuse in 2010 and perhaps much earlier. Fear of and fascination with violence and imposing surprise references to violence on listeners is woven into his performances as a youth minister and adult pastor.

Re: kids, check out Perry Noble's FUSE website. THis is the outfit DAvey and Amanda worked for in S. Carolina.
https://newspring.cc/fuse

Hey Jude said...

I agree, JMTO - he should be very angry, if not for himself, then for Amanda, Weston, their family, and everyone who loves her. He should be traumatised and outraged at what was done to her, and by how he found her - it's just not there. Good point, that he's more angry with his congregation than with the alleged perpetrators - a very good point. It's all about him, and how he is perceived - it's difficult to tell if anyone else is real to him, or if he views everyone else as pawns in a game.

Anonymous said...

Anon @12:42

Oh God. Did some band actually play something like this Black Widow song in a so-called Christian setting? I cannot bring myself to listen to this shame.

SOMEBODY, please play for me any rendition of "The Old Rugged Cross." Thank you. ABB

Anonymous said...

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you too, Hey Jude, or Juliet. (Like your new name). ABB

rosy said...

Sus said...
at 10:22 AM

"to reach people just like the people who killed her." I don't know what to make of this. It's a comparison. People is a collective group. He's not speaking of those who killed her, but people JUST LIKE them. Is this another round a bout way of saying this is what she wanted to do?
==========

I think his line about reaching out to "people just like the people who killed her" is pious self-deception. He and Amanda remained in the Perry Noble bubble. It's an enclave segregated by race as well as other factors.

He may mean, he and Amanda wanted to reach "sinners" in Indianapolis, but the NewSpring and Fuse mantra is to reach out to "people far from God." Take a look at the FUSE website and see how this includes toddlers.

Anyone is "far from God" in the eyes of NewSpring, FUSE and Resonate until they have been inducted into the purple haze "mounting" music routine, waved assent to salvation and been (re)-baptized in the dunk tank. Everyone in Indianapolis is "far from God" no matter what their religious affiliations, practices and beliefs until they pay tithes to one of these churches.

JMTO said...

Exactly Hey Jude,

Ps. I agree with ABB- love the new name

He speaks to his congregation- I think as Rosy put it- in an accusatory tone.
This is suppose to be a Christmas sermon?


If he was innocent- I could understand the tone towards social media, MSM, whatever.
This is your congregation you are getting defensive with.
The people who look to you to lead them for guidance, people who love you.

So you are going to go on the defensive to the people who believe in you most- basically accusing them of not thinking you are grieving enough - but are going to show no anger whatsoever towards the three young men that robbed you of half of your family?
Just think if they can find Jesus through this??

Well Davey, maybe they can and you can help them.

Then maybe you can show them some of the same anger you showed your congregation last night.

I think he did it as more of a "if you think I'm not behaving properly, well how dare you even think like that."
Guilt tactic.

I also wouldn't be surprised to learn if he was speaking to them that way because he has been scolded for his behavior by Amanda's father and family lately, or if they have been giving him the cold shoulder.
(I heard somewhere on here that Amanda's sister put up a post recently, and she usually is all about DB, but said nothing this time about him)

He might be talking to them (Amanda's family) through his congregation.

I agree with Sus- this will be his way out of his calling in Indy- and to add to that, taking Weston away from them and back to SC.

If you look at his earliest posts after Amanda's murder- he says
"Amanda would want us to finish what we started here in INDY!!!"

Letting everyone know he would be staying for the long haul.
Why would he need to say that- of course everyone would think he would want to stay- he is
#FORINDY
Leakage maybe that he was already preparing to leave.

maudes harold said...

Rosy @ December 24, 2015 at 1:25 PM,

I totally agree with what you’ve said. I’ve studied cults, the brain and trauma, in children and adults for many years. I am losing the ability to effectively communicate in detail, in written form, so I really appreciate your illuminations. You have laid out some of the specific underlying psychological mechanisms he exhibits/employs.

DB hits many of the marks for me as someone who has suffered severe trauma, in some form or another. It could be an environment requiring the need for constant disassociation of one’s feelings, or something worse. But he has moved into the realm of perpetrator, whether he had anything to do with Amanda’s murder or not.

Hurt people hurt people, but that is no excuse and he needs to be stopped. It might not happen til he does way more damage. I’m glad there are people keeping an eye on him. Prevention is possible at this point, but in the real world of probability over possibility that I find myself living in, I don’t see him being stopped for awhile. He will have a final undoing, but possibly not til he’s brought a lot of people down first.

When I first listened to some of the posted Q and A things in the beginning, certain phrases rung in my ears as the same tenor and content of Jim Jones, whose sermons I’ve listened to. It was almost an immediate auditory recall/association.

His comments about Weston are seriously alarming. He should not be around children.

I saw a tiny bit on the Fuse stuff, just to confirm some thoughts, but I have stayed away from watching much of DB. I have a high tolerance, but he has hit my icky energy meter so bad that I cannot tolerate watching him much. His energy is so subversive. I think PN is as dangerous as DB, the whole set up stinks.



If I don’t get a chance to say it later…… Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to everyone!

I’ve enjoyed reading all your posts, even if I don’t comment much. Invariably someone says what I was thinking anyway, lol.

Thanks especially to Peter and his family.

JMTO said...

I know Davey was probably just lumping all criminals together, but I can't help thinking....how could Amanda help people "just like them" unless she actually knew them?

Probably just meant Amanda loved the unloveable, gave hope to the hopeless.....

rosy said...

Re waterboarding and his tortured physical sensations of head held under water ...

Is this is a nightmare version of the dunking he performs when he (re)-baptizes his converts?

Oh dear, is Davey's original water trauma an oedipal memory of being baptized in the river by his own father?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNsM2YYW8AAn6x2.jpg

He's mentioned how he threw Amanda's dog Mel into a lake to teach it to swim. That's idiocy of the first water. Shades of Vonnegut's great motif in Slaughterhouse Five.

This Davey performed 12 baptisms. An apostolic 12. Davey's beard was showing, a John the Baptist touch:

https://www.instagram.com/p/_jTYz5oEa8/?taken-by=mrsabarrett


mrsabarrett noted: "Baptism day @resonateindy! There's nothing that can stir my passion for Jesus and reaching the lost quite like these kinds of days! And today we saw 12 people take their next step in baptism! If (and it is) the best is yet to come, what's happening right now is pretty mind-blowing as well! #nothingiswasted"

They speak in robotic, cultist jargon. (Re)-baptizing anyone who succumbs to the purple haze mounting music is "reaching the lost." See how many people who look like Larry Taylor, Jalen Watson, or Diono Gordon you can find in the photo.

rosy said...

This ^^week^^^ Davey performed 12 Baptisms.

maudes harold said...

Interesting to note in this pic that the poster in the background states everything in the negative....:)

https://www.instagram.com/p/_jTYz5oEa8/?taken-by=mrsabarrett

Anonymous said...

"It's Not About..."
"It's Not Okay..."
"It's Impossible..."

rosy said...

JMTO said...
December 24, 2015 at 2:16 PM

I know Davey was probably just lumping all criminals together, but I can't help thinking....how could Amanda help people "just like them" unless she actually knew them?

Probably just meant Amanda loved the unloveable, gave hope to the hopeless.....
=============
People Amanda helped convert, re-baptized by Davey, were not all "unlovable" nor "lost" per se. One of Amanda's first converts in Indy was her employer, Angela, who was raised Catholic, educated as a scientist, worked for a scientific company, and was married to the leading foot and ankle surgeon in Indy (he was named one of America's Best Podiatrists on two different occasions by the Consumer Research Council of America). With two small kids and a busy social life Angela felt in need of a nanny.

Unlovable? Lost? Not according to her public FB pages but perhaps there was a glitch. The company Angela had worked for, Covance, is one of the largest drug development and animal testing companies in the world. In 2003–2005 Covance was criticized for cruelty to non-human primates. By 2011, (a year before Amanda returned to Indianapolis with Davey to "plant" a new church), Angela had begun opposing cruelty to animals. She opposed Japanese whaling practices and criticized a visit to Indy by Ringling Bros. circus.

No one knows what hurts in the heart of anyone else but for Davey to now portray Resonate's mission as outreach to people "just like" the men charged with burglarizing homes and murdering his wife is delusive and in some weird way self-serving.

rosy said...

maudes harold said...
at 2:34 PM

Interesting to note in this pic that the poster in the background states everything in the negative....:)

https://www.instagram.com/p/_jTYz5oEa8/?taken-by=mrsabarrett

===================

Good catch! Reminds me of Lance Armstrong's slogan, "It's Not About the Bike!"

rosy said...

Mdkd6262 said...
at 7:00 AM
--
Thanks for the logistics review!

JMTO said...

Agreed Rosy.

I was just referencing one of Davey's first interviews after Amanda's death- I believe it was the "conundrum" interview, where he said "Amanda gave hope to the hopeless, loved the unloveable....etc.

How can you tell who is hopeless and who is unloveable?
How do you know Amanda was trying to help "people just like them" unless you knew them?
Do they need help bc of the terrible crimes they committed- or is it bc anyone that isn't apart of your congregation needs help?

He made it specifically sound like "those people" are the ones that need the help the most.
Already sentencing them as the ones "who did it" before it even gets to trial.

Sounds persuasive to me.

"Look at that! Amanda was killed by the people she tried to help the most!"
(Paraphrasing)

That's why I threw the "unlovable, hopeless" quote out there.

Kind of like just go on and blame them, nothing else to see here, folks.

I am rambling, lol.


Statement Analysis Blog said...

I have a question for DB:

When does the best actually arrive?

Peter

rosy said...

Holding candles high at Resonate last night by the numbers.

(aside) how the heck can it be her "favorite" when the cause of it is the murder of the woman she claimed as one of your closest friends? This doesn't compute. Who would say a friend's commemoration was their "favorite" event?
-->

mrsabarrettLast night was my favorite. 237 people walked into this room and 31 of those people began their walk with Jesus! While I would write our story differently, I'm so thankful that Jesus knows better and His ways are higher. And beyond grateful for our lead pastor and dear friend @daveyblackburn! Because of the steadfast, unwavering way that you listen to and follow after Jesus even when it hurts, this church family will follow you to the end, Davey. We're all in this together, and I love each and everyone of you - not a group of people in the world that I'd rather do life with! #christmasatresonate #nothingiswasted

https://www.instagram.com/p/_rHOe0oEYU/?taken-by=mrsabarrett

rosy said...

^^as one of HER closest friends.

M said...

Peter - Yes! when?

Anonymous said...

rosy, and AB's sister said (I forget where she posted it) that the day AB died in the hospital was "the most amazing day of her [Amanda's] life!" I think it might have even been in all caps.

lynda said...

This is only a snippet that was shown on WTHR news last night. I will continue to look for other video but thusfar, no luck. If somebody finds something, put the link up please.

Davey monologue
Carrying hope in the midst of hurt.
CUT
Ya don’t think I’ve asked God..God I feel like your promises, the dreams you’ve put in my heart for Amanda and I, I feel like they failed. You don’t think I’ve asked that?
CUT
Amanda was one of the most righteous and Godly people I know….
CUT
Amanda experienced and is experiencing, every single one of those. She was righteous, and I believe highly favored of God.
CUT
And my mind goes to that progression and then it gets to the part about coming home and then I realize I don’t have a home. LONG PAUSE…cuz Amanda was my home, PAUSE And it hurts. Sometimes I feel like that …..pause….that’s somebody’s got my, my head , an, an, an, an, they’re just pushing it under water (small stutter on “w”) over an over an over. And I have no breath inside me an it just hurts so deeply I have no, I can’t breath underwater and yet, and yet, for just a little season, maybe a couple days, maybe a couple hours, I get this breath, li..I feel this hope…
CUT
But I believe Amanda is listed among the martyrs now. You know why? PAUSE Cuz she an I moved up here to reach people… just like the people who killed her.
CUT
Just what if these three guys end up meeting Jesus outta this.

lynda said...

Peter Hyatt said...
I have a question for DB:

When does the best actually arrive?

Peter

December 24, 2015 at 3:46 PM

____________________________

When DAvey becomes the messiah

Anonymous said...

Good one Peter! ABB

lynda said...

I think I posted this before but now I can't remember! ACK

It's obvious Davey has been reading, learning, adapting, and remolding himself. He's got the edgier look, little beard growth, puffy vest, etc. He talks nicer about her, but it's still basically about his dreams failing or not being fulfilled.
He actually uses the word "killed' instead of "event" "incident", etc. Although "Killed" is still soft language? She was murdered. "They" could've killed her in a car accident, but you are murdered when someone purposely chooses to take your life in a violent act. A huge difference between the 2 words

Anonymous said...

Peter:

Canada here. I'm very discouraged about this case. Do you have any concrete evidence LE is still digging into it and that they are considering the ridiculous number of so called coincidences?

Thank you

JMTO said...

Lynda said

Carrying hope in the midst of hurt.
CUT
Ya don’t think I’ve asked God..God I feel like your promises, the dreams you’ve put in my heart for Amanda and I, I feel like they failed. You don’t think I’ve asked that?
CUT
Amanda was one of the most righteous and Godly people I know….
CUT
Amanda experienced and is experiencing, every single one of those. She was righteous, and I believe highly favored of God.

-----------------------

He "feel" like they have failed?
They did fail! Amanda is gone!
But yet he only "feels" like they failed??

"And I believe highly favored of God"
Couldn't bring himself to say "highly favored BY God."

Just.
What????

rosy said...

"She was righteous, and I believe highly favored of God."

Davey is consoling himself by creating a founding myth or legend, like the Catholic legends of the saints and martyrs.

In the new Testament the Greek word translated as "highly favored," kecharitōmenē, occurs in the annunciation, Luke 1:28, with reference to the Mary:

"The angel went to her and said, "Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you."

As Davey no doubt is aware, the Greek word derives from charis: grace, kindness.

Grace was Amanda's middle name.

hence in the Ave Maria, "Hail Mary, full of grace."

The cognate word charitos, the gift of grace freely bestowed as a gift, figures in Ephesians 1:6 "to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves."

Davey's phrase "highly favored of God" has an archaic quasi-biblical sound to it but does not occur in the Bible. Similar phrasing has become part of church discourse, where people talk about whether it's OK to declare one is "'blessed and highly favored'of the Lord," or even to wear a T-shirt proclaiming this:
http://paravanes.blogspot.com/2012/11/declaring-yourself-blessed-and-highly.html

Perhaps in Davey's speech it is a throwback to the wonderfully comforting, rousing Revivalist anthem "Greatly Blessed, Highly Favored"
https://youtu.be/uAXATqOcwao

Statement Analysis Blog said...

Canada

I have repeatedly said,

I have no connection to LE in this case.

Peter

Anonymous said...

Is the full sermon online now? Has anyone seen it in it's entirety. I was wondering if he actually says he loves/loved Amanda this time. It's always bothered me that although he seems to be watching these forums and making subtle changes each time he speaks publicly, he hasn't said he loves her (at least not that I'm aware of).

Anonymous said...

In my research & experience, childhood abuse can affect a person's intellect negatively.

rosy said...

lynda said...

and remolding himself. He's got the edgier look, little beard growth, puffy vest...
==============

I think this may a look he's adopted to communicate mourning. In Jewish tradition, people sitting shiva don't wear new clothes and men go unshaven: "As personal pleasures are denied the mourner in all his other activities during shiva, so the mourner may not bathe or shower for pleasure."

In his intervention at his father-in-law's church Davey mentioned (inappropriately) taking a shower. For his TV interviews he's been neatly dressed and turned out head to foot. Last night with that baggy over-sized puffy vest, echoing Amanda's khaki brown vest, he looked more disheveled, as though entering a new phase of mourning, the phase of coming down from a defensive euphoria and letting more pain sink in.

I'm not saying his behavior was "healthy," but it seems in sync with a post Amanda's sister made yesterday about suddenly collapsing into depression after holding up over the past six weeks.

rosy said...

My mistake -- "Greatly blessed, highly favored ...child of God" is not a TRADITIONAL hymn newly revived (as I took it to be) but a NEW hymn (2010) written for nostalgic contemporary audiences. Even so it is gospel-based.

I do think this may be a source of Davey's scriptural-sounding wording "highly favored of God." In making this formal-sounding pronouncement he puts himself in an apostolic role like Paul's.

lynda said...

Rosy...there's not a hair out of place on Davey during his so called sermon plus he's not Jewish.
He looks hipper, that's the only word for it. It is not a full growth of beard..it's either closely trimmed or stubble. Either one is very "in" these days. I don't think it has anything to do with mourning, or even pretending to mourn.

Davey is a new man. Simple as that.

lynda said...

This is Donae's FB. What's a little theft on Christmas Eve?

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rosy said...

"he that is righteous is favored of God" occurs in the Book of Mormon (I Nephi).

Quasi-biblical.

rosy said...

lynda said...

Rosy...there's not a hair out of place on Davey during his so called sermon plus he's not Jewish.

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I know he's not Jewish but he consults one of those pro-Christian rabbis, Daniel Lapin, and he has a Hebrew phrase tattood on his inner arm in Hebrew.

I''ll take your word for it on his hair, to me it looked like not so much "product." The vest is definitely baggy, over-sized, out of sync with his usual body-fitting look.

Anonymous said...

MDKD, all Davey knows how to do successfully in a challenging war of the words is to cleverly parse his words. We all know how to do that, don't we? I know I certainly do! HOWEVER, I can always back up my word parsing. Can Davey? uh... I think this takes a lot more smarts than Davey possesses. Guess we'll find out one of these days.

As for him being so selective, he isn't smart enough to that either, NOR can he afford too.

With all due respect, forgive for disagreeing. Just my opinions. ABB

Anonymous said...

Rosy @7:12 and 7:16, and others:

"There is none righteous, no not one."

This is the Word of The Lord

Psalms 14:3

Ecclesiastes 7:20

Romans 3:10-12; Romans 3:9-20; Romans 3:10-18;

And many other such scriptures in other Books of the Holy Bible. ABB


rosy said...

ABB said ...
at 7:4`1 PM
-----------

In context, Paul, after quoting the psalm, says:

"This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe.... all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus."

In any case this is Paul's interpretation of the Psalm. There, in context, it is "the fool" who asserts that there is no God and no one is righteous.

Several references to the righteous:

Mat 10:41 "whoever welcomes a righteous person as a righteous person will receive a righteous person's reward."

1 John 3:7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.


Pet 2:8 "that righteous man [Lot], living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard"

Is. 57:1: The righteous perish, and no one takes it to heart; the devout are taken away, and
no one understands that the righteous are taken away to be spared from evil.

Etc.
http://biblehub.net/search.php?q=the+righteous

Anonymous said...

The word righteous is not pronounced righ-tuous. It is pronounced right-e-ous, meaning right or past tense for having been right. The word is grossly over used and mispronounced; nonetheless, Jesus had already said, "take heed that you follow no man lest you BOTH fall into the ditch".

Paul was a man, who came preaching three years later, no more no less. He was not 'sent' to modify or change the words of Jesus, or to add new teachings that Jesus did not say or a new doctrine Jesus never taught. As he hung on the cross, He said, "Father it is finished" and more, but none that included changing his Words or giving anyone else the right to change his words. It simply didn't happen.

But thank you dear for the scriptures. They are lovely. Affectionately, xx00, ABB

Anonymous said...

I'm trying to keep up. I don't know what to think. The righteous actually get their "reward"?? Even to the point the righteous are killed in order to spare them from evil/pain?

Anonymous said...

ABB,
I went to video store today and got "Madea's Family Reunion" and "Madea's Big Happy Family". I plan to watch them tomorrow. Thanks so much for the recommendations!!! I know I'll enjoy them!!!

rosy said...

OT re: Davey's eulogy to Amanda as "greatly favored of God" --

as an echo of "Greatly Blessed, Highly Favored Child of God"
https://youtu.be/uAXATqOcwao?list=PLFK_XbsopkgY8__ptPzMzVJVe5tMfAkHp

For that song, the Gaitlin Bros re-purposed the tune of their 1979 hit "all the Gold in California." Larry Gaitlin was raised in the Pentecostal Church.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8YdlJMQy-8

Anonymous said...

In reality, in true life, is there such a thing as a person who is "highly favored by God"?

Hey Jude said...

I should be asleep dreaming of Santa but - I said this a while back, but don't know if anyone picked up on it, or agreed it might be the case. Davey mentioned that they knew al the neighbours and they'd had cook-outs together during the summer. (He didn't mention Amanda vandalising his beloved grill, which was nice of him). I think he could well have told the neighbours not to worry if they saw any shifty looking characters around or going into his house any time, because they were Amanda's 'project', and she was helping them turn their lives round, and they would be helping out with the furniture restoration business - maybe doing the sanding and chemical stripping early in the day so Amanda could do the painting, varnishing, reupholstering, later in the day, delivering or collecting pieces, etc.

I think Amanda did not deal with these young men, and that Davey would have been foolish to let her be involved with them on a one to one basis - it just would not be seemly or proper, IMO, and I'm quite liberal-minded. I would think Amanda was most likely raised in the sort of environment where a woman does not let a man who is not family or a close family friend into her home if her husband is not at home. I could be wrong there, but she described her dad as strict and protective - I think there's no way she would be comfortable with either hanging out with them anywhere, or having those boys in her home, unless Davey or another man she knew was present.

Davey wants us to believe that Amanda was involved with them but he doesn't say it directly (because that would create too much of a possible connection to him) - he implies it though - these were the unloveable people on the edges of society, and she loved and cared about them. I think he's trying to make out that Amanda knew them and there was some arrangement, which was why the door was unlocked (did he ever say he FORGOT to lock the door - no, all we know is that he didn't lock the door - he may have told LE that Amanda asked him to leave it open so the boys could access some furniture, or whatever) - they were her project, but they turned on her. They came for the morning, with their Swisher sweets, planning to do some work, maybe. Maybe the story is she owed them some payment, and she didn't have any cash or trust them with her cards, and it all turned nasty.

The reason I think this is because the neighbours saw one or more of the suspects on the porch, and walking, and driving on the cul de sac, and were a neighbourhood watch area - and did precisely nothing, not even the one who heard a scream and the gunshots. So, I think Davey, during his cook-out with the neighbours, had already told them not to worry or call LE if they saw gangsta types early morning any day - they were Amanda's project, and it was all fine. Also, don't worry if you hear screams and gunshots - they're just rehearsing for a dramatic sermon where we're going to use a gun and 'shoot' at a guy in a hoodie because that's the type of message they can relate to - it's all good, no problems.

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He still hasn't come down the chimney - I'm getting disillusioned with this Santa Malarky. One more cup of coffee, and I'm going to sleep. Which reminds me, I'm not convinced Davey does drugs, I think it's probably coffee. You can just keep going for ever with coffee - at least I only sleep four hours at a time and am pretty hyper the rest of the time, as in alert, not so much physicallly hyper. Maybe he uses steroids for body-building, but IDK - he's covering up now - he must have read Peter's posts about the tight shirts and his sexualised image not being appropriate.



Anonymous said...

Was Davey hiding a bullet-proof vest under that puffy hipster vest?

Certainly a possibility--one cannot hide a bullet-proof vest under tight clothes.

Hey Jude said...

I believe Davey when he says he no longer has a home because Amanda was his home. He is beginning to realise how much that was the case, Amanda was his home and homemaker, his stability and his helper - he may have regrets about how selfish and unappreciative of her he was, and be quite at a loss now that reality is beginning to set in, particularly with regard to Weston. Amanda's dad said how touched he was that the home was so Amanda - Davey might have to move house, or expunge the existing one of Amanda and her style and taste - it will continue to be Amanda's home, but not his without Amanda. I don't know how he could bear to continue living there, if he is, or intends to - it would invite constant flashbacks- but as he didn't appear affected by Amanda's murder, possibly not.

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Meg, the babysitter, may have been trying to usurp Amanda's life for some time - in addition to the imitation of her shop and goods (Amanda's were better) she also posted photos of Weston on her Instagram and wrote that she loved him. I found that undermining of Amanda, who didn't post many pictures of her son, and probably didn't want him considered public property, sort of, as some pastors' families tend to be. I just didn't like that she posted photos of someone else's child like that - I can't imagine Amanda would have welcomed it. I think Meg had a thing about Amanda, but her accounts are now private - should have screenshotted them, as they were bound to disappear. I don't think Davey would have a thing about Meg as he is all about image, and Meg is overweight and sounds emotional - Davey doesn't approve of emotions, nor I shouldn't think, an ounce of excess weight.

Anonymous said...

It was a poofie fluffy vest. Puffy and poofie. Fluffy and cute!

Hey Jude said...

Anon @ 10.43 - I think he was trying to hide the 'l'm Too Sexy For My Shirt' thing. :). If you don't know it and like a laugh, YouTube it.

Hope's Food and Family said...

Wow! I cannot believe how brazen some of these people are on a public forum! If Indy LE isn't watching these people due to the Blackburn case, they really NEED to be restructured!

rosy said...

Hey Jude
Anon @ 10.43 -

This post merits a FB style like button, lol

Hey Jude said...

Anon @ 9.26 - well, that's the story - it seems reasonable to consider the Mother of God would have been highly favoured, and preferred over other potential mothers.

More generally, Peter said that God was no respecter of persons - he loves everyone the same.

Jesus, however, had a soft spot for the disciple 'whom Jesus loved' - people like to disagree as to which disciple that was - whoever, it was the earthly Jesus rather than the risen Christ who, we are told, had the favourite.

IDK, though - ask him. :)

Hey Jude said...

Not when you're in the shower, though.

Hey Jude said...

I meant the disciple Peter,

Hey Jude said...

Rosy - I wish there was a like button here - so often I think that. :)

Anonymous said...


@Hey Jude

"The reason I think this is because the neighbours saw one or more of the suspects on the porch, and walking, and driving on the cul de sac, and were a neighbourhood watch area - and did precisely nothing, not even the one who heard a scream and the gunshots. So, I think Davey, during his cook-out with the neighbours, had already told them not to worry or call LE if they saw gangsta types early morning any day - they were Amanda's project, and it was all fine. Also, don't worry if you hear screams and gunshots - they're just rehearsing for a dramatic sermon where we're going to use a gun and 'shoot' at a guy in a hoodie because that's the type of message they can relate to - it's all good, no problems."

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But, don't you think one of the neighbors would have contacted LE by now, and said "Davey told us they may be there; it was a set up"?

lynda said...

I think Donae (Lorenzos teen wife) reads this blog...the FB post we she says shes looking to "steal" has been removed, and this is a girl that professes The Lord is in her life.

lynda said...

Alonzo has also just removed his last FB post sitting at table with his flash of cash. hmmmm..i wonder if something is up?

Kate said...

The neighborhood itself would make for a great cable movie. LE praised the heck out of the neighborhood and the neighborhood praised the heck out of LE. Even going so far as to make up signs, thanking the police for a job well done, bringing out baked goods and talking to media about it. I've never seen so much media coverage over a neighborhood, ever. I can't count how many interviews I've watched of Ryan McConnell.

And then I saw a report, a middle aged (neighbor) man speaking about Amanda and he choked up. It was the first time I felt real emotion out of anyone in this case, including Amanda's family.

I don't know what the deal is with the neighbor's. I don't believe Davey could work his magic on the entire neighborhood. But I do think it is a possibility that he had key points in the neighborhood, starting with McConnell. McConnell lived up the street from Davey, if memory serves me correct, which would be a fantastic lookout point as to who is coming and who is going.

We will learn a lot if a trial takes place. With the recent additional charges, I won't be surprised if they take a deal and avoid the dp.

Anonymous said...

Hey Jude -
I've thought the same thing about the neighbors & neighborhood watch program...with these people watching your back, who needs enemies?!

Jo

Anonymous said...

The guys in prison now for Amanda's murder will likely serve a lifetime in prison or get the death sentence. They have nothing to lose and everything to gain by telling LE if someone hired them to murder Amanda. They could get a plea bargain by telling LE everything . The death sentence could be removed or life in prison could be life in prison with a chance for parole . So , if Davey is involved , these guys would be talking a lot ! They are young , very unsophisticated criminals . They would talk .
As time passes , I really think Davey had absolutely nothing to do with her murder . Is he strange ? Absolutely !
Do I think he's a narcissist? Yes !
But I don't think he's a murderer .

Anonymous said...

Ugh - it's the same person. I recognized the punctuation while "waiting for Santa" (i.e. - kids to go to sleep. Seen you here before anonymous @ 1:24

Kate said...

It's not that simple anon@1:24, especially since they know no matter what, they are going to be thrown in the clink, so why blow the whistle on anyone, only to turn around and have a huge target on your back in prison. That would make little sense. And who is to say they even knew about Blackburn, more than likely it was put in place by higher ranks, certainly not these young punks.

There is no way to remove Davey. He may not have pulled the trigger, but he did every single thing he could to make things as simple as possible, including not locking the door. I've seen the argument that a lot of people don't lock their doors. Great, that's really great. But for Blackburn, living in the neighborhood he lived in, knowing it had it's crime issues and a neighborhood watch program was already in place, knowing his wife was 12/13 weeks pregnant with a 15 month child sleeping in his crib, he not only left it unlocked, but hasn't shown an ounce of remorse since day one. Along with the laundry list of other "coincidences" that just keep falling into place.

Oh I can just imagine the photo ops he will be taking advantage of on this fine Christmas. The boy in this commercial reminds me of Davey, every time I see it, I see Davey https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9qcWljsT7s

rosy said...

Here's an interactive map of homicides in the area.
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2013/10/28/interactive-marion-county-homicide-map/3289645/

Hey Jude said...

Anon @ 12.38am - yes, but if al that was the case, and if Davey had told the neighbours something like that, they would still need to prove that it was a set up, that Amanda didn't know or associate with the suspects, and that it was not just another bizarre coincidence. Yes, the neighbours would have told LE - that's maybe why Davey is going round claiming Amanda had an interest in people like them, when it seems unlikely that she did, to me. That would not be a suitable area of ministry for her - it would be a lot more appropriate to the men. Davey would not have allowed it if he was a proper man or a half-decent husband, (I know that's up for debate) so it's interesting he seems to be saying that he did or might have - though he doesn't quite say that she knew them, or people like them, or that he supported it - he knows quite well what people would think of that, so he's trying to create the impression that was one of Amanda's things, rather than something he knew much about or supported her in. Maybe that's part of the need to play on the journal, and a reason he has yet to 'reveal' as to why she didn't like him reading it, and why he thought reading it was necessary (well he must have known all along that wouldn't be well received) -he's maybe going to say at some stage she didn't want him to know how involved with any of those people she was because he would have stopped it, but he felt he needed to know. That would contradict him telling the neighbours not to worry, but could be part of the reason why the police said he isn't as good as he thinks he is. He could have told the neighbours there would be a young black guy round rather than several - he's only eighteen, and Amanda's determined to help him - I don't think it's wise, but she's so into the #forIndy thing, sort of thing - not sure any of the neighbours saw more than just the one guy at any time.

Just trying to work out how what he is doing and saying about Amanda might fit - we don't know what he said to the neighbours at the cook-out, but it's so strange how no-one in a neighbourhood watch area acted in any way. It coukd just be poor citizenship, and my over active imagination, of course.

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My guests will be arriving in two to three hours so I should get off here and do something - but it's all done and there's nothing to do until they arrive. I could always go and shear some virtual sheep and milk some virtual cows, I suppose, but I think to take a day off - it's hard work. :)

Hey Jude said...

Kate - the police involvement with the neighbours early on was interesting - we can be sure they are very interested in why no-one thought calling them would have been the right thing to do, especially at the gunshots. Investigators would be aware by now if Davey had told them some tale about Amanda seeking to serve the gangsta youth. They'd also feel incredibly foolish, guilty and duped - I wonder if Davey's invited them round for mulled wine and mince pies on the freshly cleaned carpet, and pointed out the kitchen cabinet on which Perry Noble, for some inexplicable reason, thought Amanda had 'suffered a head wound'. That would be interesting.

Hey Jude said...

I wonder if he's invited the neighbours, not the police - though why not - he may as well go the whole hog? :)

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 1:24; you could be totally wrong too. Sweetie, wake up and smell the coffee. How do you know these guys haven't already talked? You don't. How do YOU know that the LE officers involved wouldn't want the truth to get out, they might have made it clear to the culprits involved, under threat, that they'd damned well better keep their stupid mouths shut; they wouldn't want it known that they did such a pi'ss poor job in the first place; nor would they want their OWN corrupt contacts and criminal acts to become public knowledge, destroying their careers; IFF this is what's going on there, and could be. How are we to ever know? Not.

There's a LOT of things you don't know about how the system operates in some cases, or just how corrupt some of these LE jurisdictions really are. You don't seem to know that there are a LOT of people in prison for crimes they didn't even commit, many over the years who were coerced and threatened into admitting to crimes they didn't commit, or railroaded, or where LE deliberately left out vital evidence, unresolved, that involved OTHER guilty parties in the crime, sometimes THEMSELVES.

You can't just assume that because LE has said nothing suspecting Davey Blackburn's involvement in Amanda's murder, that someone in LE doesn't KNOW more than they have ever said or will ever say. Look at their record of past failures to solve the Indianapolis crimes still on the books! YOu can't trust these people, not for a second. You don't know WHAT they are hiding, but it certainly isn't anything suggesting Davey is a person of interest, which he definitely SHOULD be. IFF this was the case, we'd already know about it. With all due respect; ABB

Anonymous said...

Ooops. I said that wrong, Anon @1:24! As a matter of fact, Indy LE could be deliberately hiding Davey's involvement in Amanda's murder, deliberately not revealing him as a person of interest, knowing full well he IS and should be investigated. That's just it, we don't know what they may be hiding for their own personal reasons. Don't just assume they all have a clean nose. They don't. ABB

Anonymous said...

Interesting posts, Jude. Have a good day, and a very Merry Christmas... ABB

Anonymous said...

I'm still feeling wrong about how DB was ruled out as person of interest from day 1. If they meant ruled out as shooter because of the video and such, that's a reasonable assumption but it gives the clear impression of total innocence. As we've discussed, there is still no way to totally clear him or almost any spouse in a murder case even now, let alone from the first day. Unless they had an ulterior motive for clearing him so fast, I'm very concerned about what this means about #IndyLE.

Bobcat said...

I'm catching up after a day out. Thank you rosy for your posts! This one from 1:58 12/24 especially:

"Anyone is "far from God" in the eyes of NewSpring, FUSE and Resonate until they have been inducted into the purple haze "mounting" music routine, waved assent to salvation and been (re)-baptized in the dunk tank. Everyone in Indianapolis is "far from God" no matter what their religious affiliations, practices and beliefs until they pay tithes to one of these churches."

To me, this is so irreverent and disrespectful of other religions - putting their method on a pedestal above all others. This seems like the devil's work.

Anonymous said...

Well. We NEED to be concerned, Anon @10:23. This just ain't right!! IMO, the INDY LE needs to be investigated themselves!

They hadn't even investigated the cc videos when they first allowed Davey Blackburn to run off scott free with no questions asked. NO, they did not question him before letting him go to the hospital along with Amanda. It was later someone showed up at the hospital and 'talked' to him. Asking him WHAT?

Initially, they had no idea what those cc cameras would reveal or if they even included shots of Davey's driveway, porch and home or who the subject might be when they did view them. Was there a burglar alarm in the house, did it also have a cc video attached?

When LE did reveal what they had publically, it only showed a blurry pic of some guy that on the street was indiscernible. THIS was their evidence?

Good gravy, they let Davey come and go as he pleased, along with others who wandered in and out of the home, taking something(?) Davey sent for by his father; also allowing him to take Amanda's cell phone, her diaries and her computer(s)? at will while claiming a(?) or her computer was taken in a blue bag, his or hers or both? AND the poor girls' diaries that might have revealed everything they needed to know! THEN the next day allowed him to have the carpeting cleaned therein destroying all FURTHER evidence. I seriously wonder if they ever did any swabbing there at all, or any swabbing taken from Amanda's body.

My God, what in hell were they thinking AND scheming, and WHY? You're damned right they need to be investigated!!! But how, and by whom? ABB

Anonymous said...

It IS the devils work, Bobcat @10:59. There are many signals and warnings that this is the devil's work. Make no mistake, your spirit of discernment is at work here, warning you. I think this is why so many of us can't even watch their videos, sermons, music and etc. Warnings to stay away, don't look upon it.

I do admire those souls however, who have had the strength to watch and listen to them and get back to us. Blasphemers, every one of them, each in their own way, even in their baptisms

They are anti-Christ in so many ways; that being, anyone who is not for Christ is against Christ, meaning, anti. Just looking above and seeing a post made by (I believe) Maudes, where Davey is instructing people to war an electric chair ornament around their neck instead of the cross is anti-Christ right there. Side-stepping Jesus!!! Can you imagine allowing Davey to teach and instruct your children? They all totally sicken me. They really do. What is going to happen to little Weston? It really concerns me. ABB

Bobcat said...

12/24 Maudes 2:13 and rosy 1:25

I too believe Davey has been horribly damaged. NO excuse for what was done to Amanda. Violence is prevalent in his language. I wonder if there are other references to cruelty to animals? His old blog mentions chasing rabbits with blowtorches, and you mention him throwing Amanda's dog in a lake - so disturbing!

I'm not an "expert" by any means but in my life, I worked in a school for emotionally handicapped children, and also as a transcriptionist for a Child Psychiatrist. One student that sticks in my head was physically healthy, but was extremely disturbed. His mother (absent father) had neglected him as an infant. What I learned from transcription is that children are evaluated for "drive" behaviors - fire setting, running away, and cruelty to animals...the language of cruelty to animals has shown up twice by DB so far.

Historically, mass killers will have a history of cruelty to animals.

Anonymous said...

http://iprefercaptain.com/2015/11/why-davey-blackburns-church-culture-is-toxic/

Statement Analysis Blog said...

DB was never ruled out from Day One.

He was "100% not the shooter.

The investigation into any possible connection takes a long time.

I hope to post a theory that I think many of you are going to agree with.

Merry Christmas,

Peter

Anonymous said...

Thank you Peter.

I don't think he was ever ruled "in" either. I'll be looking out for your updated theory. "100% not the shooter." Not even 'one' of them? You're sure about that? He certainly was/is capable of it. This is NOT my imagination running away with me, I'm not given to wild and strange imaginings.... he really is; a twisted and dangerous man.

Hope you and family are having a Merry Christmas too....! ABB

Hey Jude said...

Thanks, ABB.

Anonymous said...

Y/W Jude. Did you have early guests? I'm cooking. Having a late brunch, or lunch. Maybe by the time I'm finished it might be dinner. Still have a ways to go. But then, I've never been an early eater or cooker either unless I was under the gun by in-laws who insisted on eating early. Dang, I hated that, it ruined by whole day. We usually had late dinners except for those times we had the caterers come in, but those times we had lots of people come over. No need for this anymore.

Hope your holiday has been merry and bright. Mine? I don't think much, keep focused, won't allow myself to reminisce about the past, this works for me. ABB

Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 12:11, nice link ! If we could see a visual picture of what Davey walked into, it would be way more stunning and brutal and unforgettable than this bathtub scene - yet that's a scene I won't immediately forget and I don't even know the individuals involved. To have Davey talking of peace and forgiveness on national tv within a week - and this was his WIFE - all of us agree that's not right.

Peter, I hope your theory is workable and that you are able to post it - I'm looking forward to reading it and still clinging to hope that Indy LE and the FBI are sorting things out and that justice will be done for Amanda and Evie in due time.

I still don't like Ryan McConnell's interview statement that (paraphrasing) we've been wrapped up in this for so long and this is the beginning of a whole 'nother chapter for us (US, who is us. . . )

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all of you - thank you for taking your time to write your thoughts and share your concerns about the total "wrongness" of this case ! Here's hoping we will get good news sooner rather than later....

flightfulbird

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lynda said...

Hey Jude...Merry Christmas to you all. I didn't know you had lost a daughter, my heart hurts for you. I commend both you and ABB for going on after the loss, it takes bravery I think.

Anonymous said...

Of course DB posted another one of Amanda's journal entries on Christmas and which one does he choose? "thank you for my wonderful husband"

lynda said...

Anon @ 4:47...

NO. WAY. Ugh...now I have to go look

lynda said...

Well, I guess that twitter answers alot of questions.

They did NOT have money problems.

They had more than enough money, a beautiful home,2 paid off cars, she was making money at her business..sounds all good from that aspect.

Anonymous said...

OMG! We don't know that she ever said such a thing. He could have made it up himself for all we know. And probably did.

What we do know is that he was not a wonderful husband. The b'stard. ABB

rosy said...

Anonymous ABB
said at at 5:06 PM

OMG! We don't know that she ever said such a thing. He could have made it up himself for all we know. And probably did.
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I think she wrote this herself, and she truly believed and meant what she wrote. Some points:

1)It's sad that Davey feels (or knows) that he needs to post a selection like this to counter negative views of him on Twitter (as well as here if he reads it).

2) When someone makes a "count your blessings" journal entry, he or she may be doing so to counter their own negative thoughts or feelings. Was Amanda reminding herself, All this is good! So why am I unhappy? How can anything I might want to complain about outweigh all this goodness?

3) Is this entry from a journal separate from Amanda's Prayer Journal? It looks and reads as if it may be. More about daily life and family.

4) What made Davey pick an entry from March 2014 rather than one from, say, last Christmas? December 2014 would be the more natural "seasonal anniversary" choice. Was this entry made in Lent 2014 (Ash Wednesday was March 5).

5) I think it may be significant that Amanda thanks Jesus for her son quite far down her list - after her own life, opportunity for "meaningful and eternal" work, husband, and supportive family. And all she says about her child is "Thank you for a healthy baby boy!" Then on to "great friends," "health," "a beautiful home that we love and that we have room fora baby."

At the time, Weston was about 7 or 8 months old, a charming age in babies, when they begin to reach out to the world with two hands, sit unsupported,learn to roll over, play drop and throw, repeat and repeat, develop their early morning babble.

Were either of them relating to him in a child-centered way? After all the close reading devoted to how rarely Davey has expressed love toward Amanda, what to make of how Amanda here says she loves their home, but does not say she loves her child? Why does she refer as "a baby" not "our baby," or "my"? To me this seems detached:

"Thank you for our beautiful home that we love & that we have room for a baby. Thank you for two paid-off cars."

Hey Jude said...

Thanks, Lynda, and a Merry Christmas to you, too. I removed the post as I see ABB is on here so will have seen it, and it's too personal for me to want to leave up for longer than that - just can't go there. Thanks for your kind thoughts.

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If Davey is 100% not the shooter he could still be 33.3% the shooter. Only two shots were heard - Amanda might have been shot before he went to the gym.

Whatever - he's involved as involved can be - I don't think I can believe otherwise.



Anonymous said...

I know mrsabarrett's twitter post was mentioned after Davey returned to Resonate to preach on Wed. pm.

https://www.instagram.com/p/_rHOe0oEYU/

But, was THIS part of her post discussed?

"...And beyond grateful for our lead pastor and dear friend @daveyblackburn! Because of the steadfast, unwavering way that you listen to and follow after Jesus even when it hurts, this church family will follow you to the end, Davey."

OK, the "follow you to the end" part sounds like cult-talk to me.

-L

Anonymous said...

Yes, Mdkd6262, it makes sense for church members to say they'll follow JESUS to the end, but, not their pastor. Ew.

No behavioral sciences background, but, I am a teacher and have raised a couple of children into young adulthood...and, Davey, Derek & PN's comments often sound like teenagers to me.

Anonymous said...

^^ -L

rosy said...

Aninynmous said ...
at 6:13 PM
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Yes. "this church family will follow you to the end, Davey. We're all in this together" it sounds like cult-talk. And "While I would write our story differently, I'm so thankful that Jesus knows better and His ways are higher" sounds indecent as a reaction to a beloved friend's dying by murder. I don't have enough knowledge of the history of modern church rhetoric to pin it down further. So I'll leave it at indecent.

Rabbit said...

rosy @6:02 said:

1)It's sad that Davey feels (or knows) that he needs to post a selection like this to counter negative views of him on Twitter (as well as here if he reads it).
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That is so on point! He's not able to fully appreciate why people are criticizing his tweets and statements and so he keeps responding more and more inappropriately. That he misses the message people are sending on social media tells me he lacks insight and only has eyes for himself.

Peter is correct; Davey is all about Davey and his church business. To him Amanda is nothing more than a stepping stone to success. He's leaking all over the place. I hope LE can see what so many people who don't even know him can see and will take a long, hard look into his personal life.

Anonymous said...

Rosy, all those items you listed in your post at 6:02 are the very reasons I do not believe that it was Amanda making the post Davey posted, "thank you for my wonderful husband." There is a coldness in the words beginning in item five to the end of your post that would describe Davey perfectly as having written it himself. IMO, for one thing she would not have listed Weston as practically having no meaning in her life.

I think it's just plain B/S that she would have described Davey as a wonderful husband when we all know he wasn't and so did she; he was ruthless, cold and critical of her, publically humiliating her in nearly every video and sermon that I've seen that has been posted. He despised her and didn't even bother to hide it. What's to love about a husband like this! He is a liar. ABB

Anonymous said...

As for his church, this is a lie too. This was no church where God is praised, served and worshiped. This was a Davey Blackburn party worshiping himself disguised as a church. Jesus wasn't preached or worshiped there, only Davey was. ABB

rosy said...

If Amanda laid down her life to protect Weston and/or her unborn child - which I believe she may have done - then within Christian belief this is true of her: "Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends."

This verse is said of martyrs. It's on the tombstone of the recognized Evangelical martyr Dr. Paul Carlson in Karawa, Congo.

Reading Dr. Carlson's story (online at The Milwaukee Sentinel - Aug 28, 1965) and checking out his legacy < paulcarlson.org/ > and those of other modern-day martyrs, there seems no trace of the "I'm so thankful that Jesus knows better and His ways are higher" nonsense purveyed by Resonate staff.

Bottle Cap said...

Rosy, Weston was born July 28, 2014, so at the time of Amanda's March 2014 journal entry, he would not have been born yet.

Anonymous said...

"This church family will follow you to the end, Davey." This doesn't just sound like a cult, it IS a cult. This is no different than following Jim Jones to the end, leading his followers to their deaths in the jungles of Guiana, or following David Koresh, leader of his cult who followed him to their fiery deaths in Waco.

There IS no difference when people are following man and not Jesus, who are incapable of following Jesus themselves. They seek to be the savior of their followers. Jesus warned us not to do it and we've seen what happens to those who do. We don't always know their end, but there DOES come an end to those following man-made deceitful self-serving worship of their leader to their untimely death. God is not to be mocked. It can only end badly. ABB

Anonymous said...

Well, since "she" mentions the baby in the journal entry that was supposedly (a lie concocted by Davey) written by her, then the date of the entry would have to be another lie by Davey, right? ABB

Anonymous said...

"I'm so thankful that Jesus knows better and his ways are higher than ours." While this is true; Jesus had nothing to do with Amanda's brutal murder. Jesus does not kill people nor does he send someone else to kill them. People seem to conveniently forget there is a satan and his demon followers down here, seeking whom he may destroy.

Davey Blackburn's play-church and all those like him preach a lie to the people. They are satan in the flesh personified while quoting Bible scripture twisted to their own means of spiritual deceit. They are killers of the soul while claiming to serve God and follow Jesus. They lead the people to hell. ABB

rosy said...

Bottle Cap said...

Rosy, Weston was born July 28, 2014, so at the time of Amanda's March 2014 journal entry, he would not have been born yet.

December 25, 2015 at 8:23 PM

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You're right! Either Davey has the year wrong or what? The journal entry was made while she pregnant, knew the baby's gender, was assured he was healthy? No, that's weird.

Anonymous said...

So many good thoughts...I think that is actually a photo of Amanda's journal. Perhaps they knew by sonogram (& amnnio) that they were expecting a healthy son? And, someone here noticed it was formatted like a list of things she was grateful for, as if she had to convince herself. Since we know Amanda's and Davey's marriage worsened with pregnancy & once Weston was born, maybe, while expecting Weston, she already was having to convince herself to hang in there (that the best was yet to come).

Although I believe that to be an authentic journal entry, I also find it suspicious that Davey continues to, not only violate Amanda's privacy, but, chooses entries which speak highly of him. Front&Center is his middle name.

-L

rosy said...

Does a mother thank Jesus for "a healthy baby boy" while she is pregnant, four to five months before her due date? I guess she might. Her life was about to change, she was having a baby. Maybe the journal entry was motivated partly by news from a gynecology check up that established the gender and showed no health issues.

In which case, "Thank you for our beautiful home that we love & that we have room for a baby. Thank you for two paid-off cars" may be self-reassuring. Laying anxieties to rest. All the other aspects of her life as laid out in the journal entry are just about perfect, so this healthy boy baby will fit in. That is, if the birth of the baby changes none of the other aspects. The logic is circular, doesn't explicitly address what may have been an underlying concern, how will motherhood change my life?

rosy said...

Anonymous L said...
at 9:02 PM
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Our thoughts crossed in the mail! Yes, I think this probably is a postsonogram (& amnnio) message to herself. It's authentic.

Anonymous said...

I agree, Rosy, that it's circular logic. Troubles started after the honeymoon and intensified with her pregnancy/ies, so, she might have been counting her blessings to calm herself down, not worry, have a positive attitude, etc. But, you're right, that doesn't get at the underlying concern. Putting on a happy face never does.

It is interesting that Davey is not choosing to post entries from the same date a year or more ago. He searches until he finds something that strokes his ego and does damage control.

-L

Anonymous said...

But she doesn't say any of those things, Rosy, that would indicate she is pregnant an expecting a baby boy. Weird. But hey, I don't know if the journal entry is authentic or not. Fact is, I don't consider anything pertaining to Davey Blackburn as being authentic, per' se, not if he has a hand in it. Sick b'stard. ABB

rosy said...

Anonymous ABB said...
at 8:17 PM
I think it's just plain B/S that she would have described Davey as a wonderful husband when we all know he wasn't and so did she; he was ruthless, cold and critical of her, publically humiliating her in nearly every video and sermon that I've seen that has been posted.
---------

ABB I share your shock and outrage at some of the videos, but my newshound side pushes me to document. Some of my gut reactions, as I've just shown over Weston's birth date, lead me to jump to wrong conclusions. I'm not sure I've seen any Resonate videos of his from March 2014 or earlier that mention Amanda. Will take a look online. The ones that outraged me are from this past fall.

Anonymous said...

Hey Davey!

Haven't you beaten the dead horse to death enough yet? You've read and read and reread Amanda's diaries so much you must be getting sick of by now. Why don't you give it a rest? It's easy to see what you're up too. Not everyone is blind.

You're so comfy with Amanda being dead, to hell with how it happened; you're just so sure it was God's will, trying so hard as you were, to fill empty seats with warm butts and get that money rolling in. We get it.

For you the best is yet to come and nothing goes to waste. Then right up your ally, God spoke to you in the shower while being buck nakked so now you've been sanctified and made holy right? Yeah right.

Just think, poor widower, you can flex your muscles and strut your hard gorgeous body right on out the door and find yourself a new woman, or is there one already waiting in the wings; you don't have to worry anymore about placating the pregnant wife, that you despised so much; so why don't you just get on out there and do that very thing and let poor Amanda rest in peace? Go for it boy! I'm sure your "followers' will be right behind you with open arms. ABB

Anonymous said...

Thanks Rosy @9:30. I've appreciated all your posts, thoughts and opinions. ABB

rosy said...


His pregnancy announcement:

March 20, 2014 · Twitter ·

My wife, @AmandaGrace, is the hottest pregnant that's ever lived!!

March 21, 2014 · Twitter ·

Haha! I just reread my tweet from yesterday. It was supposed to say, my wife is the hottest pregnant WOMAN that's ever lived! ‪#‎hukdonfoniks‬

Anonymous said...

Thanks Rosy. Have to get off here now... Tired from all that cooking today. Have a good rest of the evening.. Hope you had a lovely Christmas. ABB

rosy said...

So this was March 2014 (from Davey's Twitter and FB):

March 5, 2014 · Twitter ·
Baby Gender Day!!!

March 9, 2014 · Twitter ·
Yeah, @AmandaGrace just searched for a recipe for Brat Casserole in Google Maps ‪#‎pregoprobs‬ ‪#‎ilovemywife‬


plus the one on the 21, "my wife is the hottest pregnant WOMAN that's ever lived."

Anonymous said...

P.S... He sure didn't love her when she accidentally caused his 'solid-gold' grill to get damaged. She begged and begged and begged for forgiveness for her accident but he wouldn't even speak to her for days; like she caused it deliberately; THEN threw it up in her face for the next several years. Yeah, he really loved her.

It's not like he bought it in the first place with earnings from the labor of his own hands, it was purchased from his huckstering of others out of their hard earned money, playing church and conning them out of theirs.

He didn't love her either when he forced her to neglect their baby and leave him crying alone for hours rather than allowing her to go tend too and take care of her little baby like any caring, loving mother does by instinct. Oh yeah, SOOOo much love for his wife. Not to mention the poor distraught, frightened and neglected (abused!) baby. NOT. I pity what will happen to that baby now. ABB

Not a Robot said...

I don't think we should assume DB forced Amanda to parent Weston a certain way based on a book they had in a photo. I had the same book once, because someone sent it to me. I read it, but never could get on board with the cry-it-out idea so I got rid of the book.

Was there anything else that specifically said they were using the parenting advice in the book?

I definitely don't believe that little boy was still sleeping 15-16 hours a day at 14 months old.

Anonymous said...

Off topic, but Peter, is this a site you contributed to, or did someone plagiarize your work?

http://statementanalysisjodi.blogspot.com/2013/02/disappearance-of-brittanee-drexel.html

BB said...

When judging AB's PRIVATE journal entries we must remember that it is private. This means the inspiration, motivation, counterpoint is going to likely and naturally UNSPOKEN. Statements may be part of an internal dialogue or a mental train of thought that is only half expressed. As for thanking God that they "have a house with room enough for s baby" or however she worded it, who knows what this was in response to!! An episode of House Hunters? A mutual decision to try for a baby premised on logistical goals? Witnessing someone who raised a baby in crowded setting? Just general thankfulness that they didn't have to move?
I use this particular one of AB's statements just for instructive purposes, to show that an infinitely wide range of unknown motivations may exist with regard to private journal entries.

ALSO, have a legit question: is there any evidence of ANYONE who knows DB NOT PUBLICLY SUPPORTING HIM? Do any of DB's detractors know him persnally?

Anonymous said...

Peter, at 9:44 p.m. on 12/25, I left a post addressed to Davey Blackburn. I was out of line leaving this taunting post no matter what he does or doesn't do, or has done, and I would appreciate it if you would delete it.

We don't know if he even reads here, although I suspect he does, and even though he is a despicable human being as a preacher/pastor who defiles the Word of God and was a rotten husband and father, which is beside the point; it was wrong of me to leave the post. Thank you very much. ABB

Anonymous said...

It IS nauseating to leave a baby crying, MDKD. This is cruel. Also dangerous. If nothing else the baby could choke to death while grasping for breath in it's own saliva and tears if left lying on its' back and unable to turn on its' side, or thinks to turn on its' side.

I'm surprised any mother would allow her husband or father of the baby to coerce or force her into leaving the baby unattended and crying for God knows how long at the time. It would make me hysterical not to be able to go see about my baby. I honestly do not understand why Amanda would allow this. Had I had a husband like this he would have found his butt, clothes and all, living out on the driveway.

This is horrible. The baby would wind up being psychologically damaged for life, always with the realization that there is no one he can depend on to help or care for him, not even his own mother who would let him die before she would come to his aid. This is an awful way to raise a child, which can't do anything but hurt the child for the rest of its' pathetic life, especially poisoning him against women.

There is another abusive side to doing this to a child; which is, at what point does the parent get so irritated at listening to the screams and cries of the baby that he/she goes in and physically attacks the child to shut him up? This can and does happen to neglected children.

I wonder what's going to happen to little Weston now that he is under the direct subjection to his father's hands, his authoritative rule without reasoning, and stupidity? The man couldn't even forgive his own wife for an accidentally damaged grill, what will little Weston do accidentally that will bring this fools wrath down on him? He has already proved that he has no sense of compassion for either woman or child. Weston should be removed from Davey for his own welfare. ABB

Anonymous said...

Another journal entry posted this morning. Lyrics to s song sung at their wedding.

Anonymous said...

BB @3:21, I do not understand Davey's point in continuing to abuse Amanda's privacy in exposing her private writings in her diaries and presumably her prayer journals as well for all to see. It's almost like he's saying, 'okay sister, you kept them hidden from me while you were alive so I've gottcha now, ha ha.' Whatever the reason he's doing this is just plain sicko, when he KNEW Amanda wanted her writings kept secret. Surely he realizes this is a slam on Amanda after her death.

Actually BB, I've never known anyone who kept a diary after they grew up, other than Jackie Kennedy and a few other well-knowns. I always thought keeping a diary was for little 7th grader girlfriends who outgrew their silly diaries, and a lot of their girlfriends, stopped keeping up with them and destroyed them. Anywayz, I was always cautioned, 'never put anything in writing that you wouldn't want anyone else to see' and this sort of stuck with me.

I'm a little surprised to find grown women actually writing their innermost thoughts in a permanent journal, unless they are doing this under instruction of their therapist to express their anger and progress, who would also be instructed to destroy them, or are a Jackie Kennedy whose carefully considered writings are destined for a museum.

I can see one writing a list of their prayers, I've done it myself and placed the list in the Bible on occasion, have gotten it out and prayed about it, but keeping up with a daily or weekly journal of my private thoughts and what I did that day or that week? This is not a slam on Amanda, I guess the poor girl was troubled a lot and needed 'someone' to express her thoughts too, either happy or sad but how she found the time to do this extensively is amazing. However, I've yet to see where she had a close relative or friend she could talk too or that stood by her so in her case it makes sense.

I mean, under normal circumstances of the busy woman's life, who has time for this deep self-analysis when knowing everything might be different by tomorrow; and when I don't even spend that much time thinking about myself, or who cares or doesn't care about my life in the first place? Writing it all down and taking up more time to go back and reread it? I can't imagine this. But that's just me. ABB

Anonymous said...

Oh.My.God. Anon @ 9:11. He is really pouring on the grief that he doesn't even feel. Playing a song from their wedding? And he thinks this is being smart, like we don't already know that he despised his wife within five days of returning from their honeymoon and had no time for her, just criticism? Sick son of a b'tch. Who in HELL can't see through this? Pardon my French please, I could have said worse. ABB

Anonymous said...

I don't think making daily journal entries takes up much more time than serial-posting on a blog dozens of times each day.

Whatever Amanda's reasons for keeping a journal, it shouldn't be any skin off anyone's back that she chose to do so.

Hey Jude said...

I expect Amanda did what she wanted to do and thought was best with regard to Weston - I can't imagine Davey was there to enforce Babywise 'wisdom' for much of the time. We don't know how much store Amanda might have set by the book, or Davey, in reality - they probably had other books too, and like most parents, would take a tip from one or the other, depending what works best for the baby. It's easiest to keep a baby calm and content by anticipating their needs, not even waiting for them to start crying - some parents work this out earlier than others' some don't have a clue. I agree it would be cruel to leave a baby crying for long - they cry because they need food and comfort, and it would go against the maternal instinct not to respond to a baby's cries for more than a few minutes. Davey might have 'sworn' by the book without even reading it, just to seem like he was a hands-on parent, interested and involved. I bet the truth is that he was out of that front door before the early morning feed and back in time for bath and bed - so even if Davey was for Babywise, Amanda would have still done it her own way for much of the time, which may have been Babywise based, or not.

I suppose it depends on the baby, but some do sleep a lot, and until they are older than others - mine slept a lot until they were around Weston's age, the first particularly so, but they were premature, and premature babies do sleep more than others. When they were toddlers and not wanting to sleep, I would let them cry, going in every few minutes to let them know I was nearby, but that there was no more play, or light, because it was bedtime - it took a few days to establish a regular sleep routine, though I do recall wanting to tear my hair out at moments during that time (not literally, but it was stressful, and a battle of wills). A couple of months or longer would pass peacefully, and then there would be a repeat of the routine, but eventually they settled into good sleeping patterns which continued all through their years at home.

Young babies would not learn that they were secure, if routinely left to cry, having only needs without understanding, while toddlers who were not left to cry often or for long as babies have already learned that they are secure, but they still need reassuring - and plenty of sleep.

I don't think there's any reason to suggest Weston was abused and neglected I can't imagine anyone sticking religiously to a parenting book rather than letting their baby, instincts and common sense guide them. I sort of 'swore by' Penelope Leach's 'Your Baby and Child - birth to age five', but that did not mean all of it, or that I actually swore by it (I don't swear by anything - 'Let your yes be yes, and your no be no'). I liked it because it largely affirmed and supported my own ideas. I think that Davey actually saying that he swore or will/would swear by Babywise book suggests he may not have been as convinced by it as he claimed.

Anonymous said...

Canada here.

He's also provided a link to Amanda at six singing to Jesus. It's a very sweet video. Why post it though?

Bobcat said...

Canada - DB is probably posting things about Amanda now because he knows that's what is expected from a grieving husband.

rosy said...

BB said ...
at 3:21 AM

As for thanking God that they "have a house with room enough for s baby" or however she worded it, who knows what this was in response to!! An episode of House Hunters? A mutual decision to try for a baby premised on logistical goals? Witnessing someone who raised a baby in crowded setting? Just general thankfulness that they didn't have to move? .....an infinitely wide range of unknown motivations may exist with regard to private journal entries.
==============

BB, I'll take responsibility for starting the query as to possible context of Amanda's journal entry for March 2014. My focus on it responds to the fact that publishing it is a speech act of Davey's.

My first thought was that the baby was already a few months old. But as Bottlecap at 8:23 PM pointed out, the baby was not born til July 28 2014.

Anonymous at 9:02 PM and I then inferred independently that Amanda's March entry reads like a response to discovery of the unborn's gender and healthy status by sonogram & amnnio.

Davey's public's Twitter and FB feeds support this inference.

February 19, 2014 he posted a photo of a Crimson Tide Alabama infant bodysuit and message: "Train up a child in the way he should go . . . ‪#‎BabyBlackburn‬‬ is gonna keep me company on Sats. this fall - http://t.co/po2mxFjQ7o

Family and close friends with whom he's already shared the news privately added their "Likes." Others commented "Congratulations!"

A few friends missed this til March 1, when, arriving back from a a visit to Kenneth Wagner in Baltimore, he said: "Just landed back in Indy! Pumped about seeing @AmandaGrace and ‪#‎BabyBlackburn‬‬!!" Two friends responded, "Y'all expecting?" and "That. Is. Awesome! Congrats to you."

March 5, 2014, he marked as "Baby Gender Day!!!" So, that was the date of the sonogram.

March 9, 2014 he said "Yeah, @AmandaGrace just searched for a recipe for Brat Casserole in Google Maps ‪#‎pregoprobs‬ ‪#‎ilovemywife‬."

March 20, 2014 he said "My wife, @AmandaGrace, is the hottest pregnant that's ever lived!!

March 21, 2014 "Haha! I just reread my tweet from yesterday. It was supposed to say, my wife is the hottest pregnant WOMAN that's ever lived! ‪#‎hukdonfoniks‬"

Davey was fairly direct in sharing positive thoughts about expecting the baby, mostly in a humorous, joke-y way. He was a bit worried about finances. February 22, 2014 Davey quotes one of the children of the woman Amanda had worked for as nanny: "'When Manda has a baby she's gonna get all garage sale things' -Brady (3-yr old)." Davey commented: "Amen, little guy. ‪#‎PinchingPennies‬‬."

That same day he reminds people "Tomorrow we talk about how to handle the other 90% of your money. Don't miss it! ‪#‎resonateindy‬‬." Two days later he reminds himself: "A focus on SELF always destroys . . . Self-centeredness will always lead to bitterness . . . Self-expression will always lead to depression."









maudes harold said...



ABB said "The baby would wind up being psychologically damaged for life, always with the realization that there is no one he can depend on to help or care for him, not even his own mother"


This is another cult tactic. It's breaks the child's trusting abilities so they can be better programmed to follow "insert name here."


Then followed up with the ideas/behavior behind DB's tweets that rosy posted:

"A focus on SELF always destroys . . . Self-centeredness will always lead to bitterness . . . Self-expression will always lead to depression."


Disassociation when really young, denial of self and emotions as you grow. The Cult of Positivity.


maudes harold said...

YAY! I figured out how to bold something. Merry Christmas to me!! (it's the little things in life, lol)

Anonymous said...

Rosey, re your post @ 11:25 wherein Davey posts all this love and can't wait to see Amanda and (unborn) baby Blackburn, where he has just arrived back in town from visiting his close bud Kenneth Wagner; now , let's look at this another way. Not saying this is the case, but if he had been off visiting his male lover, these things he said would fit right in line with expressing his love love love for his wife, when we already know he HATED her being pregnant and did NOT love her.

I knew a guy, well-known and a real player, who put on the best family oriented show you ever saw in your life around his wife while expressing all this love for her with her eating it up, when the b'stard was laying everything he could get his hands on behind her back. She thought she was a real queen bee while there I sat quietly knowing the truth and even knew some of the lovers he played with (both male & female). Some of these double standard guys are real good at their tricks.

One thing we DO know, Davey Blackburn is a liar and a schemer. For everything he says there is a motive. I don't believe a damned thing he says, ever so carefully and deliberately parsing his words. Poor Amanda, a woman deceived. ABB

Anonymous said...

Excellent analysis, Maudes @11:46. I totally agree. ABB

Anonymous said...

Hey Jude, although we really don't know if both Amanda and Davey put into practice the Baby Wise philosophy of letting babies cry, I would not be surprised if they did. Just as family members seemed cling to and try to put one bible verse into practice (such as: Rejoice in the Lord always..., Philippians 4:4), and did not appear to allow themselves to grieve, for the first month, anyways, and "owners" of Resonate and New Spring appear to flesh out their mantra, The Best Is Yet To Come, I could see new parents of such mindset "going by the book" in child raising. This would be especially true if Amanda's sister enforced such a child rearing philosophy, and/or church friends.

It reminds me of the Duggars and other fundies' "blanket training."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanket_training

Many fundamental Christians see things as black and white, and therefore think there's ONE way.

-L

Bobcat said...

Re apples and trees...

There is a relative of DB who has called himself Dr. and Rev. at different times in life, in different parts of the country, while being neither a Dr. or a Rev.

I call this a specialized con artist. People make assumptions that you are dignified and respectful when those titles are applied, but sadly, they are wrong.

Bobcat said...

dignified and RESPECTABLE

rosy said...

Bobcat said...
at 1:12 PM

is this the tree you referred to a while ago or another?

Bobcat said...

Yes. The family tree - direct line.

This is unrelated to my previous comment but interesting:
http://www.charismamag.com/blogs/fire-in-my-bones/15488-warning-beware-of-christian-con-artists

Bobcat said...

http://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Looking-Out-for-the-Christian-Con-Artist

Hey Jude said...

Oh, -L - yes - thanks for reminding me about the 'blanket training' brigade - I didn't think of that in relation to the Resonates, probably because Davey and Co aim to be cool and hip, and to at least appear relaxed about some things, while the Duggars are so straight-laced that they are only more recently becoming accustomed to their women and girls wearing dresses above the ankle, and that probably due to pressure from the tv company. I'd tend toward Amanda having a more relaxed approach to child-rearing, but that may be quite wrong - they could well be all 'spare the rod and spoil the child' meaning even 'baby'. Urgh.

rosy said...

Anonymous ABB said...
at 12:31 PM
----
I respect your opinion. I'm trying to apply Occam's razor so as to avoid needless conspiracy theories. I try to start from what both parties choose to state to the public. Amanda made no public reference to her pregnancy but did make 2 or 3 negative references to pregnancy as such (e.g. not wanting to catch pregnant women's "cooties"). In the fall of 2013 around she got pregnant she Tweeted:

26 Oct 2013 Perk of garage saling for a job...finding treasures like $4 baby sperrys. #notapregocomment http://instagram.com/p/f7yE7Wr6Vf/

From then on she made no mention of pregnancy in her Twitter feed. In early October. for Mrs Barrett's birthday, she was "Thankful for the past year of ministry, runs, garage sales, eating, tanning, dreaming, praying & sharing together!"

By May this year all that was changed. For mothers' day she said:

"Motherhood has forever changed me. It's amazing what a child can bring out in you. I see, feel, love and live in ways I never have before. And what I thought was something that would limit and prevent me from what I want, has actually turned into everything that I want! I'm so thankful that I get to be a mom."

However, the notion that Davey was the big and sole disciplinarian in the family seems false. Amanda posted this clip of verbally disciplining Weston when he sapt out some green baby food (spinach or broccoli?). She comments: "Weston throwing a little fit. If these were sweet potatoes he would be all over them. #myrealreel" Mrs Barrett approves: "I love his reaction to "no!" He knows exactly what you mean :)"

https://www.instagram.com/p/ysPF-dr6d8/?taken-by=amandagblackburn

This was Amanda. This was Amanda's voice.

lynda said...

Bobcat said...
Re apples and trees...

There is a relative of DB who has called himself Dr. and Rev. at different times in life, in different parts of the country, while being neither a Dr. or a Rev.

I call this a specialized con artist. People make assumptions that you are dignified and respectful when those titles are applied, but sadly, they are wrong.
December 26, 2015 at 1:12 PM

_____________________________________________

Remember DR. LAURA ? She made MILLIONS by people assuming her doctoral was in psychology when it was in physiology! People followed her advice because she was a "doctor".
Only after years of deceit did she get her "marriage and counseling" status/degree (which i think was probably bought not earned)

rosy said...

PS, Weston is just over six months old in that video. Why would a mother post a video of verbally disciplining her 6 month old baby to make him eat broccoli, spinach, green beans or whatever?

I'm serious. IMO and experience, loving mothers don't force feed specific vegetables to babies of this age. It's craziness. The operative word for feeding a baby of 6-8 months of age is offer.

Today's media savvy mothers who video their babies and post in Instagram et al have dozens of web resources (as well as their pediatricians) offering this type of advice for feeding solids to babies at 6 to 9 months of age (older than Weston in this video): "There are no hard and fast rules here. All babies are different, with their own unique likes and dislikes. Just like you and me! .... if your baby doesn’t seem to want to try all of these foods just yet, then don’t worry. Give it a week or two, then try again. His tastebuds are developing all the time – the meal he adamantly refuses today may be his absolute favourite food next week!"

Amanda's video clip is about DISCIPLINE, saying NO to the baby, more than it is about food. Mrs. Barret, another Resonater, approves of it for that reason, discipline.

Anonymous said...

This relative also married two outstanding women, and at one time, operated a financial planning firm. The firm is listed as Admin Dissolved by the State of Indiana. Admin Dissolved means that the state dissolved it because company statements were not submitted.

Bobcat said...

Anon at 2:10 was me

Hey Jude said...

Maude's Harold, and anyone interested:

Here is a great site for all things HTML - fun with tutorials :

http://www.w3schools.com/default.asp

Text formatting - bold and italic, etc. (Not sure how many other of those can be used in Blogger comments, but posting in preview will show if they are accepted or not.)

http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_formatting.asp

--
(I enjoy your posts, Maud's Harold, btw)

Kate said...

Rosy, I agree with what you wrote. I have 3 kids and the name of the game was to see what type of veggie they liked, avoiding battles and testing out their taste buds. That type of parenting haunts me, who disciplines a baby?

In one vid, Davey speaks about Weston's first fireworks on the 4th of July. Davey tells a cute story on how Weston was in awe of the fireworks, then a bit later he states how Weston looked away, so Davey took Weston's face into the palm of his hands and moved it to look at the fireworks. At that point, Weston turned to Davey, pushed him and said "NO". Davey goes on to talk about Weston having sin born within him. Whatever.

After reading, watching and hearing all about Davey, he should never be allowed to have another child and his current child, Weston, should be watched very carefully for the next 16 and 1/2 years. At this point, that kid stands about as much of a chance as Amanda did. Will ANYONE around them look out for Weston? Doubtful.

lynda said...

daveyblackburn ‏@daveyblackburn 3h3 hours ago
It's good to be back "on the golf course" with @GavinBWilkinson and @JamesByars . . . Really grateful for family!

*******

Davey is at golf simulator with Gavin and Amanda's dad. It appears that he is spending most of his time with the Byars/Wilkinson. Does anyone know of any statements aside from the "celebration" of life that Davey's own family has done?? They appear to be strangely silent.

Anonymous said...

Nothing to see here on the Blackburn side. Just handsome men, fine women, and people who know how to keep their mouths shut.

rosy said...

Amanda read "Baby Wise" 2 months before Weston was born. She shared this May 18 2014: "My beach reading for the week."
https://www.instagram.com/p/oJKgOfr6Rr/?taken-by=amandagblackburn

maudes harold said...


Mdkd6262 thanks for info on the water references. One more piece...

Hey Jude (Juliet) thanks, I'll study and bookmark that for future reference when hubby isn't around! I've enjoyed your posts for a long time now.

Kate, DB's ascribing that kind of thinking(willful sinfulness) to Weston at that age and DB's resultant behavior makes me cringe. It can lead to a lot of justified, ever increasing harsher punishment and control. It's a built in answer to justify punishing over finding solutions to meet real needs.

rosy said...

lynda said...... at 3:01

James Byars is Amanda's brother, not Dad.

rosy said...

Amanda in silence letting Davey cry till he comforts himself by sucking his thumb.
https://www.instagram.com/p/1RxW1Rh4Pe/?taken-by=daveyblackburn

rosy said...

^^^oops, letting Weston cry.

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