Monday, December 28, 2015

Theory: Blackburn Murder and Spousal Involvement

The following is a composite theory based solely upon the opinions of law enforcement professionals trained in Statement Analysis.  I call it "The Baker's Dozen" where those with a minimum of 5 years experience, and a maximum of 40 years experience all weighed in on the Amanda Blackburn murder.

They have no association with the investigation and have only gleaned the information from media.

They relied upon Statement Analysis, Behavioral Analysis, and their own extensive experience in investigating homicides, as well as home invasions.  

This is a short consensus of their opinion and what they think happened.    It is a narrative of opinion.  

All parties are innocent until proven guilty, including those in custody now.  Police have stated that they knew, "100%" (from media) that the husband of the victim was not the shooter.  Suspects are in custody in the murder. This represents private opinions on the publicly stated quotes and information. 

Picture a needle with -10 to the left, 0 in the center, and + 10 to the right.  0 is neutral, while moving negative to the left, indicates potential guilt of the husband, while moving to the right suggests innocence of the husband.  

1.  Statistics

Most homicides involving pregnant women prove out to show involvement by the man close to her and the pregnancy, including husband, ex husband, estranged husband, or boyfriend.  

Jealousy can enter such cases and lead to violence. 

Some shaken baby victims, for example,  were killed by the non-biological husband, who resented the child that he did not father. In this case, it is not known if there was infidelity on the part of the victim, but there was nothing in the statements to suggest anything but the husband being the father of the unborn child.  

That the number one suspect in the murder of pregnant women is a statistic not ignored by the investigators and all felt this was important to be open to. 

2.  Relationship Quality 

In domestic homicides, the quality of the relationship is always 'front and center' in the investigation. Since husband/boyfriends are the most likely responsible, investigators ask if there was a history of marital discord. If so, the percentages move in the specific direction of the earlier statistic. 

In this case we are told by both the victim and the husband that the marital relationship was in turmoil to the point of separation, and with specific elements. 

In domestic homicides, the husband is first viewed, and then the quality of the relationship is viewed, but investigators then look for something specific to happen to cause the violence:  this is a "trigger." When a stressor or trigger is found, it also moves the statistical needle to move. 

3.  Trigger

A 'trigger' or a 'stressor' is something that pushes the relationship to the level where violence goes from thought to action; a stressor is sought to be identified by investigators.  Many times the stressor is infidelity.  This becomes an underlying anger that suppressed, can eventually surface against the child (shaken baby syndrome above) where the 'cuckolded' husband is saddled with a constant living breathing reminder of his wife's infidelity.  It may be worse if the child is a boy and looks like the biological father.  Infidelity on either part can be a trigger.  If the husband has a new love interest, it could be a trigger in the bad relationship, just as if the wife has been unfaithful to him.  

Other triggers can include sudden loss of job, change of job, loss of support, death in the family, pregnancy, and so on.  Investigators seek to learn if something within the relationship has changed making a bad relationship now worse. 

In this case, the investigators conclusively pointed to the husband's own identification of the trigger:  pregnancy. The husband specifically named the pregnancy as the stressor or trigger that made the relationship disruption, though the wife identified the husband's career as the source of discord.  

All recognized the acute obsession the husband had with his work as well as the distancing language between him and the victim as extreme.  The initial statement as well as the consistent distancing language shown towards the victim confirmed the husband's and victim's assertions about the marital discord. 

4.  Behavioral Analysis 

All investigators were bothered by the following points of the case:

a.  The timing of the home invasion 
b.  The element of violence in the home invasion 
c.  The patterns of behavior by the husband 

That each Tuesday he not only went to the gym at the same time, but always had the same pone call, at the same time on the very date of the home invasion robbery.  
That on this particular date, the husband stayed out of the home for a full 40 minutes while his wife lay dying stood out, in particular, as 'taking the coincidence too far' for reason, to the investigators.  

Although the showing off of a gun in a 'sermon' stood out, powerfully, as a revelation of what was on his mind, just days before the murder, it was the additional and apparently unnecessary delay, in the driveway, that no investigator could dismiss.  They stated that they would need to learn that this, too, was his pattern, to reduce the suspicion based upon coincidence.  

All were also confronted with the husband's lack of fear of the uncaught killers, as if he had confidence that he could not possibly be the next target.  

All attempted to 'explain away' any of these points, to justify innocence.  Each attempt, including examining religious language, did not suffice.  That there was no call for justice was bothersome, but not so much as having a home invaded and a wife murdered:  he had no fear.  This coupled with not only distancing language, but was taken with the drive for the career, all stood out as behavior suggesting knowledge of the crime.  

5.  Intelligence of Husband

This was another universal point:  he is well above average intelligence and would not have been so foolish as to hire a hitman. 

 They stated that if he orchestrated the opportunity for the crime, he used this intelligence. 

All expressed concern about local law enforcement training and/or ability to conduct a thorough interview with the husband, due to his mastery of language and intellect.  They stated that a highly skilled interviewer was needed and most expressed some concern of local unwillingness to utilize federal assistance in interviewing.  

The intelligence was noted in the publishing and commercializing of the murder; he knew how to present himself and attempt to utilize the death for the future salesmanship, including calling the murder a "story" and "event."  It was also noted that in his attempt to gain authority over others, he revealed himself in the 'shower' statement, which should stand very strongly to investigators in how to strategize the interview:  they must use his intelligence to get him to reveal the truth.  

6.  A Powerful Secret  

All stated that the analysis of the 'hidden secret lie' was likely sexuality.  This was affirmed by:;

a.  The mentor's statement about "something very wrong" in which a female would rectify
b.  The "shower" statement, which they concluded not only an association with the psychological need for cleansing. 
c.  His mentor's own wording:  while avoiding speaking of Christ's Resurrection and specific details of the victim's own life and love of Christ, the mentor spoke in sexual terms about the physical attributes of the husband indicating that sex was on the speaker's mind.  
d.  The videos.  They stated that the videos showed not only one who frequently spoke about sex, but seemed to have a need to persuade his audience of his sex drive...for women.  Examples cited included the reference to the gym, his depersonalizing of the victim in his 'we have to have sex before dinner' statement, as well as his deliberate choreographing for the audience, including clothing, bearing and appearance.  

That one would 'live a lie' is associated with continual stress and ongoing resentment, which can build over time, and be pushed to action by a stressor or 'trigger' event.  The lie, if true, that is lived, is one in which bitterness never goes away, even during happier times and can grow with time.  

If the victim knew of this secret, a sense of impotence could come over the liar, himself, and build resentment, fearful of exposure at any time, with the sense of living in a marriage of "blackmail", even unspoken, while being silently coerced into submission, lest 'she tell.'  

This can lead to great fear of not only exposure, but fear of divorce. 

A divorce would cripple his career and was not an option.  

The last portion of deep embittered feelings in living a lie is the thought that happiness or contentment may 'exist with another', only increasing resentment of the victim, over time.  

This was something heavily discussed in light of the distancing language he used.  The language of distance was consistent with resentment.  

The 'correction' of language was noted:  whether he or advisors read the analysis, there were changes made after analysis was posted.  

It was also noted, though not heavily, that the distancing language with his son (and pre born murdered child) was consistent with one 'living a lie in life', full time.  Each point continues to push the needle in the negative, lower and lower. 

7.  Home Invasions 

All pointed to the crime scene as having elements of possible staging, if, for example, she was not sexually assaulted.  In cases where the clothing is removed without sexual assault, the perpetrator may have done this for the appearance of sexual assault.  

 Other elements noted included the unlocked door combining with the routine of the gym, and the phone call, coupled with what is known about home invasions:  most seek to go in and out quickly, undetected, and want either items to quickly pawn, or cash, which would suggest prior knowledge of the home (drug dealers have cash, for example) but home invasions do not always have such violence, and if met with resistance, the violence is generally not associated with the removal of clothing.  

Questions that arose include if these same perpetrators committed violence in other robberies, and if so, what was the nature of the violence, and what was the result of the violence, warranting answers. 

Conclusion

The investigators all stated that the nature of the case pointed to anything but random.  The details all point to orchestration.  

What was asked was to consider this possible scenario:

That if the husband is involved, he would have used his intellect to orchestrate it, and would not have simply sought out a killer to be easily traced.  

He would have had contact with members higher up in the gang, through schools, or the church, who would hear an opportunity that included a severe complaint against the wife. They would  be able to send low level criminals to the right neighborhood, and to the right home, at the right time, where not only would the husband not be home, but the door would be unlocked, there would be items easily available for theft and pawning, while a 'hated woman' would be alone, hinting, but not stating, that life would be far better without her.   

Understanding that someone was willing to allow his home to be vandalized was enough of an invitation.  With complaints about the wife, especially the sexual complaints (which included public statements) would be enough 'hint' to let a gang know where an easy robbery would result and young gang's ruthlessness (dedication to the gang) could be tested.  

That the husband remained on the driveway for 40 minutes instead of taking the call inside the house upon his arrival stands out as 'all too much'  to be a coincidence.  It is not known, but apparently possible, that had he gone in 40 minutes earlier, that the stopping of the bleeding, or hinderance of it, may have saved her life.  

As they stated, everything taken together suggests orchestration of this crime.  The details each fall into place and given his intelligence, he would have 'suggested' a good place for a gang to hit, giving the address, date and time.

They needed to hear motive.  They did.  

They needed to have:  

1.  The statistics of who does this 
2.  The marital relationship weighed in the negative 
3.  The presence of a stressor or trigger taking a negative further
4.  The Behavior of the husband immediately after the murder
5.  Examined the husband's intellectual ability to pull this off
6.  A Secret, but powerful lie that is lived evidenced 
7.  Home invasions examined and factored in

They factored all of these in, with all fulfilled.  


Theories

Most theories in a homicide are presented for debate; while other theories present themselves over time.  

This is the latter. 

All these elements factored in to produce a theory that they felt would be difficult to disprove in order to be comfortable professionally.  

Some theories are presented and then examined.  In this case, the theory developed naturally, with the post crime statements and behavior.  

When a theory is developed naturally, we attempt to 'punch holes' in it, attempting to disprove it.  They found the 'needle' consistently pushing to the left, unable to make strong arguments to the contrary. 

Police, thus far, appear satisfied that they have solved the crime and that the husband is not involved.   

There are those who do not have access to the information police have suspect the husband's involvement.  







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Hey Jude said...

Anon 'I' - lols.

Church Chat SNL
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FuJpalsj9sQ

:-D

Anonymous said...

Watching a few minutes of the xmas sermon, as it was all I could take, first I noticed Meg bringing him his water, and his stand. I thought she was out of ministry??? Also, is it a common practice now to read from these electronic stands? He was looking down just reading every verse. I wonder if it was Amanda who actually did the bible parts of his sermons, and he took care of his personal story telling, and that is why this sermon was so random and blah blah blah.

John Mc Gowan said...

Peter

Would you mind putting up a poll?

EG:

Is he directly involved?
Does he have guilty knowledge?
Is there no link at all attached to Amanda's murder.

Etc, etc..


Thanks

John

Anonymous said...

Anon @6:17, it is small crapo to me whether Davey left for the gym at 6:11 that morning or not, so you don't need to track me down like a hound dog nipping at my heels. My post still stands as written with or without it.

It makes no over all difference at all; HOWEVER, and for your info, the article I read stated it was Davey who said he left for the gym that morning at 6:11 a.m., therefore, I'm betting dollars to donuts that he DID. Either way, PLEASE, take your ruff ruff and do whatever you will with it. Thank you ever so sweetly! ABB

Hey Jude said...

Rabbit - He'll work Job into it soon enough - God and Satan having a little convo as to how best screw up Davey's life to test his faithfulness, God allowing Satan to wreak havoc, and later restoring all that he has lost, leaving Davey all Joblike and acted upon (except that doesn't really work, other than in a setting where one wife and child is simply replaceable by another wife and child - most of us like to think that things might have moved on a bit since then, methinks). At this point, And having said all the rubbish he has, only Job might be able to save him. Lol. 'Cept it's not funny, though I can't help finding humour in it. :-/

Anonymous said...

Peter -
Are you able to tell us if this new murder charge against the shooter - also robbery of person shot in head tips the possibility of guilt away from Davey or does it strengthen it? Thanks so much for all of your work.

Anonymous said...

John, with all due respect; religion and/or the lack thereof has everything to do with this case. Maybe you don't get it but most of us do in this country, in our lives and in our court systems too.

This country and our constitution was founded on our freedom of religion and "In God We Trust", with our founding fathers establishing one hundred-twenty churches and homeless shelters themselves, by and between them. They knelt and prayed, with a minister leading them in prayer every morning before sessions began, asking God to lead and guide them in their work for our country. God mattered to them.

Religion is a huge part of our lives and in particular where a phony self-serving preacher has been involved in the murder of his wife. This brings to the surface the hypocrisy of many religions and churches that are now in business, scamming many of the unsuspecting while robbing them.

Not correcting you, just thought you'd like to know. ABB

Anonymous said...

ABB, I know DB says he left at 6:11 that day. YOU keep saying that he normally left at 5:30. This is unverified. At you intentionally missing the point? Stop saying he normally left at 5:30 every day when that's never been verified.

There are enough shady things about him that there's no need to make things up.

Hey Jude said...

John - I think he's so steeped in the language of religion that he can't exist outside of it, though it's not 'true' religion if once it was, he's fallen into the style of those admonished in Timothy 3 - the same might be said of some of his colleagues. I shouldn't judge, but as he has set himself up as a representative - well, I don't think he is a good representative, and it's sad that some people, especially the youngsters he deals with, might think his is an authentic voice just because he bears the 'pastor' title.

http://biblehub.com/niv/2_timothy/3.htm

I don't think his self-serving faith or his title will sway anyone if it turns out he should end up before a court - I hope not, anyway.

Anonymous said...

Hey Jude! I'm still waiting for him to come up with that scripture; "Touch Not Thine Anointed." The accused preacher l.o.v.e.s. that one! Like you said, Job too, only he'd have to find himself some sackcloth and ashes and go sit in them. Outside the gates to the city, of course.

Are you listening Davey? ABB

Anonymous said...

It is STILL small crapo to me whether he usually left at 5:30 or didn't. WhatEVAH! It doesn't change a thing. Not one iota. He STILL could have shot her and set the stage before he left, WHATEVER time that was or wasn't; further, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he did. NOW, gimme a break, wouldcha? ABB

Anonymous said...

Why do you respond like a teenager, ABB? I'd think you'd want to sound more mature.

Anonymous said...

There are those who do not have access to the information police have suspect the husband's involvement. ""

Duh! Who are these people of whom you spoke?




Anonymous said...

So?

Why don't you find someone else to harass?

I'm tired of your a'ss hounding me.

Peter? Are you around? Can you put a stop to this? TKX! ABB

Anonymous said...

DB said|, "I guarantee you Jesus is going–, or, Amanda’s looking at Jesus and saying, “Jesus, this is brilliant. I would never have planned it this way, I would have never thought of this, but You are using this in ways I never could have imagined.”

Ok. This got me off the fence and standing on "he killed her".....

Anonymous said...

Haven't had time to read the article or comments, but a good rule of thumb is to ask the question has DB preached about the best way to bury a dead body? Because, if so, suspicion should be deflected AWAY from him, as it would be a clear sign he could not be a killer, as in the Heather Elvis case.

Trigger said...

Great post!

This case has too many coincidences and factors to be a random act of violence.

I also, think that Davey is bisexual.

I also think that he could have intentionally "leaked" information to people who could make his problem go away without his personal involvement or specific request.


Pak31 said...

I don't know if DB is innocent or guilty but I believe we should have the freedom to talk about what bothers us with this case(@anon 4:51). Just because Taylor physically killed AB means nothing. There was just a recent case of Dr. Teresa Sievers, sorry if I misspelled her name. She was at her home. Her husband was not there. Some other man killed her but after investigating, it was her husband behind the killing. So how is it impossiblethat DB was involved in this case just because the shooter has been named? I really want someone who knows DB to explain why he shows no emotion. Why he, to this day, has not or will not profess his love for his deceased wife? Is he that absorbed in God , preaching and religion that he cant act like a human being for just 5 minutes? He can't go 2 seconds without preaching or bible speaking. I want him to converse like a human man but he just won't. I also watch forensic files all the time. Hundreds of cases where wives are killed they start with the husband and work their way outward. Why did police clear him so fast? It's impossible. They didn't even get test results back yet did they? They would need to look at phone records, interview friends, family, neighbors, check his finances etc. how did they do that so fast or why wouldn't they? The police are never going to say they are looking at him if they are so I hope they are. I just don't understand how when the husband is usually the main suspect in cases like this that he was so perfect as to not be considered. I want to hear someone explain how a person close to a victim is cleared that fast. You can't say he was at the gym either. We need to hear that 911 call.

Pak31 said...

I also want to add that being raised Catholic, I get what DB is saying such as looking at tragedy and having faith that God is in control or finding good in a bad situation, or taking the tragedy of a death and making something good out of it etc. but he's way over the top with his reasonings. It's just that his feelings of comfort in her death were almost immediate which is creepy. Usually people who believe in God go through mourning and sadness and disbelief etc. Then after some time begin to look at positives. He was giddy and happy the next day. That's not normal.


Esmeralda said...

I've gone back and forth with this case, and I have to say, despite DB's bizarre behavior I don't see anything in his language that is directly deceptive or even a lot of times if you look at the language of killers they do leak imagery that oftentimes relates to the killing and manner of killing. (There is the conversation in the shower with God but there is no direct imagery of "killing" leaking through in the language.

I think DB is just a flamer. I don't think he's "bisexual", I think he loves men and I think Amanda was a beard and she was simply an object to him who he never loved or even liked and he simply could care less she is gone. He probably considered her little more than a piece of furniture.

I don't believe he killed her. Unless I see something in his language that is directly deceptive or presents imagery of the killing (which often leaks through in the killer's language.

Anonymous said...

The latest news
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/12/29/amanda-blackburn-suspect/78023602/
is more evidence proving Taylor is a psychopath who wandered Indianapolis RANDOMLY killing and raping people.

Narcissist Davey is innocent. His insults to Amanda don't prove he disliked her and this is required evidence if you want to believe Davey is guilty. Narcissists and BPDs frequently insult and criticize their subordinates including family members with whom they are emotionally attached. Such pathologic behavior is innate for patients with these personality disorders.

Concerned said...

Esmerelda at 9:41 and Anon at 9:53
Please re-read Peter's latest Statement Analysis and consider all the years of experience the 12 investigators have.
They did not come to their conclusions without turning the facts over and over.
Watch the videos that are full of pre-crime leakage. (Shooting as in capped in the head, bashed in the mouth & knocking out teeth, rape...)
Then examine out all the incredible coincidences.
Obviously Davey has sexual issues and is an over-the-top narcissist but I agree with the investigators that he is up to his ears in Amanda's murder.
Time will tell.

Hey Jude said...

Esker also - he leaked it before the murder, right down to the smashing of her teeth.

Hey Jude said...

That was meant to be Esmeralda not Esker also.

Hey Jude said...

Correction to my post to John - it was meant to say 2 Timothy 3.

Rabbit said...

And remember the interview where he paused and looked at his wedding ring and twisted it around his finger? So fake - and then he did it again! As if someone might have missed it the first time. Such bad acting.

It reminds me of a scene from the movie "Ted Bundy" where Bundy looks in the mirror and practices smiling and being friendly. Davey comes off as a parody of a grieving husband.

Hey Jude said...

ABB - he still has time for that, plus he's probably already saying it in private to anyone who begins to raise a questioning eyebrow. :)

He has no spiritual authority in my eyes, neither does Noble - they were not anointed or ordained by bishops, they are not part of any apostolic tradition, they are not answerable or truly accountable to anyone, there is no spiritual discipline - they are bad lay preachers, at best. They'd have no fears, as I wouldn't touch either of them with a barge pole.

That's not meant to diss all the leaders in churches which don't have bishops, as many non-episcopal churches have rich traditions of their own - just Davey, Noble, and any other free-range self-appointed pastors who care about money rather than souls. It was so telling where Davey spoke in his Christmas sermon about blessings, and counted those as material wealth - having just lost his wife and unborn baby, one would anticipate that Weston would have been foremost in his thoughts, followed by all his supportive family and friends - as those are not Davey's priorities, he doesn't expect others to consider people as their greatest blessings either. Poor Weston, having lost his mother, he deserves a father who values him over mere stuff, of which Davey already seems to have enough.


Bobcat said...

Hey Jude

LOVE THIS! - "free-range self-appointed pastors"

DB has those ALL OVER his family tree, like one out of three men, and one out of three women marries a "Reverend".

There is a gentleman in my church who occasionally delivers a guest sermon. Even though he is not a pastor, as a lay speaker, he is one of the best "preachers" I've ever been blessed to hear.
Yes, DB, a good pastor can be a blessing, and he can deliver an uplifting message in 15 minutes.

Kate said...

The only news articles I can find about Rolando Gonzalez-Hernandez, have to do with the correlation of the Amanda Blackburn case.

You would think if a man was shot execution style, outside by his car for ten bucks, it'd make the news. Unless I'm missing it somewhere.

Esmeralda said...

Concerned,

Do the investigators think he is involved in her murder? I'm asking because I haven't been up to date with the case the past week...I didn't think that investigators thought he was involved.

I agree there is pre-murder leakage, and it is very hard to reconcile the gun sermon with him being innocent.

However, DB makes no effort to appear to grieve, does not fake or even state any sentimental feelings which is counterintuitive...if he is guilty in any way, he should be faking some emotion or spouting some kind of dribble about how great the marriage was or how much he loved her. Even Scott Peterson, a terrible liar, said his marriage with Lacey was "sublime" (or something like that... cant remember the exact word), that coupled with the fact that the alleged killer of Amanda did rape another victim within the few weeks preceding Amanda's rape and murder.

I think DB is a flamer and a narcissist, probably a sociopath also, it is just getting to the point where the threads are getting very frayed which could connect him in any way to the murder. The theory that he did it is way too convoluted with no direct arrows pointing to him, nothing tying him to it, no pieces that fit the puzzle.

Bobcat said...

Now this may be a stretch, but why not as long as I'm exploring the orchestration theory...
Does anyone know the name of the victim in the Nov 3rd rape/robbery? The victim's roommate was Dareece Wilson. Dareece was very vocal about moving out. I wonder if the victim moved out and if her car was ever located, and who she is friends with on facebook? The car was described as a Dodge Stratus with spoiler and low profile wheels. The victim also mentioned that she had ordered a custom bumper for the vehicle.

Following the orchestration theory, the crime spree leading up to the 10th could have been a shakedown for the team to make sure the 10th went off without any big blunders.

lynda said...

, but long before he tried to steal her life, Amanda gave up her life when she said “yes” to Jesus. She surrendered to Him a long time ago, and she said, “Your plan, Jesus. My life and my plans are in Your hands. Do with me what You will.”

That’s why Amanda is a form of a Mary right there. She said, “I surrender. I can’t do this on my own, I can’t carry this, I can’t do this, I just, I’m not strong enough but you are strong and I am weak, I surrender to you.

DB said|, "I guarantee you Jesus is going–, or, Amanda’s looking at Jesus and saying, “Jesus, this is brilliant. I would never have planned it this way, I would have never thought of this, but You are using this in ways I never could have imagined.”

________________________________________________________

This sounds to me like a desperate man who set up a burglary to bring

attention to his 120 member congregation/megachurch
donations
insurance money
tv time

and it went horribly wrong because who he set it up with, or influenced, or intimated, picked one of his lower thugs to do it and that lower thug turned out to be a psychopathic, homicidal animal. Now Davey is trying to turn this "I didn't MEAN for this to happen" into some holy, God-driven, meant to be , history making game changer. This way he can avoid any "guilt" feelings because he has convinced himself that it was MEANT TO BE.


I can also say that if I was murdered the way Amanda was and my husband went up on stage and preached a sermon comparing me to Mary and saying basically that it was Gods will and i was "all for" being slaughtered in my own house....MY father and MY brother would have walked up on that stage and kicked him to death. My brother could then say that God told him to do it while he was in the shower.






Rabbit said...

Kate,

Here's the story on the shooting, posted Nov. 4. Not much to it:

http://www.wthr.com/story/30440597/one-killed-in-northwest-indianapolis-shooting

INDIANAPOLIS -
Metro police are investigating the death of a person on the northwest side of Indianapolis.

A shooting was reported just before 8:30 p.m. in the 4500 block of Candletree Circle in the La Joya Apartments. Police say the victim was pronounced dead at the scene, but would not confirm the person died of a gunshot as initially reported.

Investigators say they found the unidentified male with "apparent trauma," but the cause and manner of death remain under investigation.

Homicide investigators responded to the scene, but have not released a suspect description at this time.

Police are talking to residents in the complex to see if anyone saw or heard anything.

"Obviously, if anybody heard anything, that's information our investigators want to know, to see if it's consistent with whatever caused the trauma right now, because we don't know until the autopsy is completed," said IMPD Ofc. Rafael Diaz.

Residents told Eyewitness News they heard gunshots Wednesday night, but said they often hear gunshots in the area. They also say it's not uncommon for residents to be robbed at gunpoint in the parking lot.

One resident said his daughter's car was shot up last month in the parking lot.

Anyone with information is asked to call Crime Stoppers at 262-TIPS.

Anonymous said...

I agree, Esmeralda, that it's too convoluted.

Also, Concerned was talking about the investigators Peter met with to discuss the case, not the actual Indy investigators working on the case (hence the last line of Peter's post about not having access to the information that the police have).

Concerned said...

Esmerelda at 11:58
The experienced investigators who regularly meet with Peter Hyatt (and on whose brainstorming his latest Statement Analysis is partially based) seem to be quite convinced Davey is involved, probably with a link to the gang bangers.
I believe the 911 tape will seal it for them and for us.
Had someone, even the media, properly interviewed Davey we would all know already.

I keep thinking....since Taylor raped a woman and killed a man in the week or so before the trip to the Blackburns, why would the other gang bangers leave Taylor alone with Amanda when they say they didn't want him to kill her? He was the perfect person to send in for a hit, wasn't he? I believe Alonzo Bull set this up. I don't believe Taylor will rat him out because he would have to confess first. Surely his lawyer has told him the public's suspicion of Davey can give a jury reasonable doubt.

(I say all this with the caveat that I'm not convinced Davey didn't shoot Amanda in a fury and call in the gang to stage the robbery. I can't shake believing Meg, the intern/babysitter is involved either.)

Remember with Scott Peterson that 4 months passed before his arrest. The whole time Amber Frey was taping Scott's conversations, the public did not know LE had him nailed.

Kate said...

Thank you Rabbit. I don't know why my search wouldn't bring that up. Not even an obituary, other than the funeral home to state when services were held. So basically no one talked initially, later to have not one, not two, but three witnesses come forward to state Taylor had admitted he killed Rolando Gonzalez-Hernandez.

Then we have the snitch for Amanda's crime. Who knew so many would come forward and give up Taylor so easily, especially with no money involved. Sounds like the community is really helping law enforcement put this all together. All that's missing is a big red bow.

For anyone who hasn't seen this, it's good ole' Daveyboy with local fox news. It was the #Forindy piece. Interesting that the news clip goes into the heavy crime of Indy, tying the story of Davey's church in with the crime rate in the city. http://fox59.com/2014/08/11/local-church-hopes-forindy-campaign-will-inspire-acts-of-kindness/

Rabbit said...

A few more articles:

http://fox59.com/2015/11/05/a-violent-night-in-indy-5-people-shot-2-dead/
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20151105/news/311059970/
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2015/11/04/impd-investigates-death-northwestside/75187978/
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/body-found-at-apartments-on-northwest-side

Interestingly, I couldn't find any articles naming Rolando Gonzalez-Hernandez except for the ones connected to Amanda's murder.

Anonymous said...

Lynda, that was awesome.

Anonymous said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnExMFi7gXg

Concerned said...

JMTO,
The Mary/Amanda analogy made no sense to me.
I'm surprised that Davey has a degree in Communications where he would have had many required courses on how to construct a speech where several points are used to point to a conclusion. There should also have been many times when he was graded on delivery of a speech. I remember in my speech training having someone count the number of "ums and uhs" and criticize accordingly.
Davey is a lazy speechwriter and a lazy speaker, in my opinion.
I'm not surprised Resonate failed to thrive with him as the "communicator".
His new mentor has a lot of work to do!

Esmeralda said...

Anon and Concerned,

DB is a complete loony tune, and I think his reaction to most things would be very "off".
It is possible he was involved, but very improbable. This is a situation which "seemingly" occurred SEPARATE from DB and which also occurred randomnly and also not just individually only to her but also to other random victims. This is tough math to make the equation work where he DB ends up being the killer or the one who hired killer.
I was not aware that Peter met with investigators on the case, and I kind of doubt that he actually did.

Concerned said...

Lynda at 12:15
Fist Bump!

Anonymous said...

I still have a problem with the dog. Most young couples in the suburbs have a dog.

Most apartment dwellers do not have dogs - at least not large ones.

So, why would you stray from your "robbery norm" and rob a house in the suburbs with the possibility of a dog?

Unless, you know that the dog will be contained and not an issue?

rosy said...

Kate said...
at 11:56 PM

The only news articles I can find about Rolando Gonzalez-Hernandez, have to do with the correlation of the Amanda Blackburn case.

You would think if a man was shot execution style, outside by his car for ten bucks, it'd make the news. Unless I'm missing it somewhere.
==============
Kate you are missing it. It was reported the same time in Indianapolis. I posted a link earlier y/day.
Metro police investigating death of person on northwest side of Indianapolis
Nov 4 2015.
A shooting was reported just before 8:30 p.m. in the 4500 block of Candletree Circle in the La Joya Apartments. Police say the victim was pronounced dead at the scene, but would not confirm the person died of a gunshot as initially reported.

Investigators say they found the unidentified male with "apparent trauma," but the cause and manner of death remain under investigation.

Homicide investigators responded to the scene, but have not released a suspect description at this time.

Police are talking to residents in the complex to see if anyone saw or heard anything.

"Obviously, if anybody heard anything, that's information our investigators want to know, to see if it's consistent with whatever caused the trauma right now, because we don't know until the autopsy is completed," said IMPD Ofc. Rafael Diaz.

Residents told Eyewitness News they heard gunshots Wednesday night, but said they often hear gunshots in the area. They also say it's not uncommon for residents to be robbed at gunpoint in the parking lot.

One resident said his daughter's car was shot up last month in the parking lot.

Anyone with information is asked to call Crime Stoppers at 262-TIPS.
http://www.wthr.com/story/30440597/one-killed-in-northwest-indianapolis-shooting

Anonymous said...

YES! The dog. My husband picked up a turkey pan the day before Thanksgiving, and put it over his face and looked in the front picture window on his way in, and my oh-so-sweet dog FREAKED. I mean, if he had come inside, she would have attacked him. She is so friendly, to friends of ours, repairmen, you name it. I cannot see the dog not attacking an intruder harming his owner, especially if she screamed, and if left outside, she would have licked the wounds, and ran around panicked and left bloody pawprints everywhere. Even if she was kenneled in the garage as I heard, the barking would have been insane, and woken up Weston, it would have been chaos. I really want to know!

Anonymous said...

Concerned, did you notice this part of Peter's post?:

"5. Intelligence of Husband

This was another universal point: he is well above average intelligence and would not have been so foolish as to hire a hitman.

They stated that if he orchestrated the opportunity for the crime, he used this intelligence."




They didn't say he killed her, they didn't say he hired a hitman, they used the word "orchestrated."

So it's like you're disagreeing with Peter & Co. while simultaneously telling others Peter & Co. are correct. It doesn't make sense.

Kate said...

Thank you Rosey, I really did miss it.

Going back to Davey's numbers, he had a lot of opportunity to get that church up and going. He had at least 2 spots on the local news. I've had experience with the local news, people hit your website and call almost immediately after the story. Not that my business and Davey's church are the same, but the exposure alone would have helped him gain people. Only thing is, he couldn't retain them.

Concerned said...

Anon at 12:55
I don't think I said Davey hired a hitman. Please point out the post.
If I did, I apologize.
Orchestrated is a very good word because I believe Davey manipulated Meg Griffith into dealing with Alonzo (or whoever).

I know Peter does not believe Davey killed Amanda and I know it's far-reaching to think that is a possibility. I just believe he was angry enough and mean enough. Peter has far more knowledge of Statement Analysis than I will ever have and my brain can go all over the place with this case so I'm really sorry if I sound schizo! I'm happy I haven't been assigned to solve this, aren't you?!

rosy said...

Rabbit said...
at 12:27 AM
Metro police investigating death of person on northwest side of Indianapolis
Nov 4 2015.
http://www.wthr.com/story/30440597/one-killed-in-northwest-indianapolis-shooting
Full article above to in my reply to Kate at 11:56 PM

There was no conspiracy to suppress this news. Just fell on the pile of the other unsolved shootings at that time.

JMTO said...

The "Ted Bundy" comment is sooooo true!!!

rosy said...

Kate said...
I really did miss it.
at 1:03 AM

Well, yes, I had never heard of it till they announced y/day that they'd solved it. It didn't leap out like the shooting of a 10 year old boy in September and the shooting of Amanda in November.

Kate said...

"Second, real faith in Christ is very powerful! I can’t underscore this enough. The greater Blackburn family is amazing! I watched Dr. Jim Blackburn (Grandpa) reassure the family and bring hope in a way I have never seen before. I pray I can be a man of hope like him one day!"
https://mcolaw.wordpress.com/2015/11/13/davey-and-amanda-blackburn-what-the-media-wont-share/

He (Mike Colaw) is speaking to arriving at the hospital and how strong the family was.

Park 31 said...

I don't know what to think anymore. What I can't believe is that DB would have his precious wife and son live in a crummy subdivision where crime is rampant. Unless they couldn't afford a better area, it sounds like they lived in a bad neighborhood. It was well known that crime was bad so why would he leave the front door unlocked? Was it because she was up and he couldn't lock it from the outside? She then should have locked the door. Without knowing their routine it's too hard to say what was wrong that day. We don't even have a statement from DB saying how he left that morning. If she was up. What she was doing. I find that very weird.

Bobcat said...

Dr. Jim ... I wonder what sort of MD or PhD he earned and where?
The only education he shows on FB is two years of college.

Anonymous said...

Concerned, I was referring to your post at 12:24 a.m. that says:

"The experienced investigators who regularly meet with Peter Hyatt (and on whose brainstorming his latest Statement Analysis is partially based) seem to be quite convinced Davey is involved, probably with a link to the gang bangers.
I believe the 911 tape will seal it for them and for us.
Had someone, even the media, properly interviewed Davey we would all know already.

I keep thinking....since Taylor raped a woman and killed a man in the week or so before the trip to the Blackburns, why would the other gang bangers leave Taylor alone with Amanda when they say they didn't want him to kill her? He was the perfect person to send in for a hit, wasn't he? I believe Alonzo Bull set this up. I don't believe Taylor will rat him out because he would have to confess first. Surely his lawyer has told him the public's suspicion of Davey can give a jury reasonable doubt.

(I say all this with the caveat that I'm not convinced Davey didn't shoot Amanda in a fury and call in the gang to stage the robbery. I can't shake believing Meg, the intern/babysitter is involved either.)"



Why would Alonzo send anyone in for a hit unless Davey told him to? Or, according to your post at 12:55 a.m., you're now accusing the babysitter of ordering the hit through Alonzo? Based on what? That's a pretty heavy accusation to make. Is there any indication the babysitter knows Alonzo?

The analysis says this: "All stated that the analysis of the 'hidden secret lie' was likely sexuality."

Why would Davey get rid of one woman just to end up saddled with another (the babysitter) if what he wants is something other than women?

My point is, you seem to be convinced that Davey is guilty of "something" ... you're not sure what, you're just sure he's guilty of it. When others questioned whether he was guilty, you pointed to the analysis as proof he's guilty, yet your own theories contradict said analysis.

See what I'm saying?

JMTO said...

I am extremely relieved that Taylor didn't kill Weston along with Amanda and her unborn child.

But it makes no sense to me that this person, who brutally killed Amanda and her unborn, didn't kill little Weston who was by this time obviously up and screaming in his crib for his mother while this robbery and brutal beating/murder was taken place.

He seems to have no qualms about killing anyone- even over 10 dollars, but has the morals to not hurt a toddler?

This is another reason why I believe Davey is involved.

rosy said...

Bobcat said...

Now this may be a stretch, but why not as long as I'm exploring the orchestration theory...
Does anyone know the name of the victim in the Nov 3rd rape/robbery? The victim's roommate was Dareece Wilson.
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Bobcat, Dareece Wilson is the the roommate's boyfriend. The roommate is Queen @bigbootydaisha . The victim is her friend and roommate La'Bella Mariee
@MadameMariee . I have their real names somewhere but these will do. Another friend, Eric @ehs_III Tweeted November 4 "Thanks to the idiots and f*ck those cowards smh." and "Honestly im sitting here replaying it. Its sickening...we were targeted..." Nov 12 he said "my boys in blue were out. wish i wouldve seen you guys last week. Not your fault though i dont blame you guys that would be stupid" Today another friend Tweeted to others (not those above) "wow charged with a second murder before amanda and yet some of yall wanna defend him."

These kids are young, and living hard lives. Every photo and every news story about Taylor that comes up they post and comment on. T^hey were outraged on behalf of Amanda as well as for what happened to their friend. Queen was working in a hospital at the time, before that a food joint. Now she seems mostly off work and too much onto alcohol. She lost a brother 5 years ago and for long spells some time back was melancholy over him. From couple of things she's said, she may be an amputee. I don't think it was a joke.

JMTO said...

Anon @ 1:57

Concerned is probably just throwing theories out there- trying to make sense out of this whole mess.

Her theory on having Meg be the link to the gang could have value- as no one can really see any of her social media sites now- she went off to private land very quickly after Amanda was killed.

Might be something to possibly consider, since she has no problem being Davey's go getter now (for water on stage) there's always a possibility she was his go getter before the murder happened.

Anonymous said...

If one really wants to queue into Statement Analysis, which is what this thread is all about, and as it pertains to the suspicions of Davey Blackburn being involved in Amanda's murder, go back to Peter's article posted on November 17th. He lays out every step thoroughly as taken from an interview Davey had with George S.

It couldn't be clearer that Davey is hiding his guilt in being involved in Amanda's murder, it being confirmed by his own words. There are many wonderful posts below that article that also delineate descriptions of Davey's obvious guilt.

It isn't necessary to exaggerate or make up anything as it relates to Davey's involvement. It's all right there in black and white with Davey himself pointing to his guilt. Coming forward, and understanding all those articles in between; again Peter gives additional specifics with a final conclusion in his most recent article.

One can argue about it and not want to accept the obvious while throwing out the many twists and turns and sermons and videos and research of those who have been arrested and their gang connections, with what about this and what about that and so on; however, the obvious still rings true: Davey Blackburn WAS involved in his wife's gruesome murder. At this point, only he knows the extent of his involvement. Will he ever break and confess? IMO, no.

However, one either understands what they're reading or they don't, recognizing that the study of statement analysis is not easy; but for those of us who have been reading these cases along with Peter for several years, we ought to be comprehending by now what we have been reading and studying all this time.

It ALL adds up. NOW, whether he's ever apprehended and prosecuted in his wife's murder may be another whole subject. He's clever, I'll give him that; while maintaining his dazed cult-like following, no doubt about it. Time will tell. ABB

ima.grandma said...

I harmonize in John's opinion. John's careful examination of words and actions created an unemotional detached view (12/29 @5:53 pm). DB opened the door when opportunity came a'knocking. His persona is one of an immature teenager excited after given a makeover by the cool crowd. Narcissism is his number one affliction. His desire for popularity coupled with his own words will eventually reveal truth.

Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.
Proverbs 16:18

I don't want to hurt or offend ~ a most important point.

a doctrine-based interviewer vs. an agnostic interrogator
equals
a conclusion of interesting contrast and comparisons

Anonymous said...

Ima.Grandma; I bring you back to your own Bible quote: Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall." Proverbs 16:18

What about AMANDA'S destruction, and what about HER fall? Are we then to say that Amanda's pride went before her destruction; what pride? Did she have a haughty spirit that morning just before her fall? What haughty spirit? She fought for her life as she lay with her privates exposed, this is hardly haughty.

I'm sure you mean well, and hats off to you for that, but this scripture does not apply. You could say that you mean it to apply to Davey, okay, all well and good; but what about AMANDA? SHE is the one who met with foul play. IT does not apply.

I think we should be careful how we throw around these Bible quotes. There are scriptures that cover everything if we seek to find them, and plenty of them, but this is not the one. No offense meant, okay? Hope you are doing well! ABB

Anonymous said...

news reporting taylor murdered a guy prior to AB. he told a police informant he did it. IndyStinks

ima.grandma said...

Whatever my dear ABB, whatever. No offense meant, okay?

Your response further illuminates the influence that narrative elements, specifically causal mechanisms, can have on influencing individual opinion.

I do agree, we should be careful how we throw around these Bible quotes. Please receive this verse in the sprit it is given:

James 5:9
Do not complain, brethren, against one another, so that you yourselves may not be judged; behold, the Judge is standing right at the door.

Thank you for your best wishes. I hope you are also functioning well today.

Anonymous said...

Grandma @607

Very eloquent! Thank you

Anonymous said...

I keep thinking....since Taylor raped a woman and killed a man in the week or so before the trip to the Blackburns, why would the other gang bangers leave Taylor alone with Amanda when they say they didn't want him to kill her? He was the perfect person to send in for a hit, wasn't he? I believe Alonzo Bull set this up. I don't believe Taylor will rat him out because he would have to confess first. Surely his lawyer has told him the public's suspicion of Davey can give a jury reasonable doubt.""

Is that what all this BS is about? Establishing ridiculous banter as "public suspicion?"

Yes, Peter, I agree with John. Do a poll. However, also poll on who thinks smart meters are destroying people, who really killed Kennedy, and what really brought down the twin towers. Find out how many are from Indy and compare that to the crime rate and un reported REAL public suspicion.

Public suspicion my azz!

ima.grandma said...
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ima.grandma said...

Narcissists require others for attention: they rely on them for the overarching addictive "narcissistic supply": anything that builds them up and confirms their superiority, gradiosity, and entitlement. They are terrified of losing it ~ the narcissist's biggest fear.

Fear is an ego-driven reaction that shuts our hearts and distorts our perceptions to reality. The pregnancy may have caused Blackburn to fear losing his professed largest supplier of the crucial drug he craved > a constant unwavering supply of adoration to feed his ego. An addict won't share his stash. An addict will do anything to get his full fix. An addict needs his drug and he needs it now. An addict lives by a basic principle of "instant gratification" The phrase Blackburn has publicly used in other context - "whatever it takes" - applies.



The Object of My Affection Is In My Reflection by Rokelle Lerner
 (excerpt)

"People are objects who exist for their satisfaction...[They] focus on potential sources of supply (people) and engulf them with charm, concentrated attention, and contrived deep emotions....If a narcissist must be liked to secure a supply, he does all he can to be liked. If he needs to be feared to be admired, he makes sure he is feared....

Entrapping and maintaining a source of supply is a full time job for the narcissist. The level of manipulation, seduction, and political shrewedness it takes to cultivate and maintain a supply is honed to absolute perfection. This makes sense if you consider that his supply is as important as oxygen...a matter of emotional life or death. The problem is that there is never, ever enough."

Anonymous said...

A.B. Schirmer 'The Sinister Minister' got away with the murdering both of his wives until a man was found dead sitting in Schirmer's chair at his church. The man had committed suicide, but as a result the police, first, took a second look at the death of his second wife and then reopened the case of his first wife's death. Both wives died of 'accidents.'

It took 9 years for Schirmer to be investigated and finally convicted of the murders of both of his wives.

IF DB is involved somehow, hopefully, unlike the Schirmer case, no other innocent woman will die.

Mdkd6262 said...

@ im.a.grandma 8:45a

Great info re narcissism. I was married to a severe narcissist for 7 yrs and have 2 children by him (now grown). Narcissistic supply is vital to them and they secretly & incidiously suck the life out of those deemed as their supply behind closed doors while masterfully maintaining the facade of being a wonderful husband and father to the public... i suspect meg has been and is one of DB's sources of supply. They are masters at gathering around them those that are young & gullible. When crossed they can be shockingly cruel behind closed doors and will trap you like an animal feeding off of and enjoying your weakness and being at their mercy.

Anonymous said...

It is very probable that Taylor was the culprit in all three heinous crimes. But what if he is a convenient suspect to pin these other random crimes onto? End of year, end of Indy police chief's term - trying to solve as many possible cases to show performance success on the part of current police chief/mayor? If Taylor is found guilty of the murder and rape crimes with concrete evidence then I believe DB is innocent with a very off-putting personality maybe due to his brand of religion. I still really wish family and friends would explain DB's lack of ever saying he loved Amanda.

This article caught my attention fr Dec 5th.

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2015/12/05/keith-cooper-man-imprisoned-crime-he-didnt-commit/76677626/

Me2l said...
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Statement Analysis Blog said...

I have heard and posted the arguments of those in law enforcement.

I remain convinced only of guilt and hiding related to sexuality by the language.

I am open to the theory, but linguistically, I have only connected him to sexuality.

Peter

Anonymous said...

“One of the men accused of killing a pastor's pregnant wife in Indianapolis has been charged in another deadly robbery.”
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/12/29/amanda-blackburn-suspect/78023602/

Larry Taylor is a psychopath who RANDOMLY raped and killed people. While on a crime spree, he randomly entered Amanda’s home after burglarizing another home in her neighborhood. Davey’s textbook narcissistic behavior has been misdiagnosed as evidence that he's involved in Amanda's murder.

Research the behavior of subhuman malignant narcissists. Their behavior is so aberrant that they need their own set of SA rules.

Mdkd6262 said...

Me2l @ 0:05

With all due respect, your admonishment of ABB is uncalled for and achieves no purpose... she, nor I, nor anyone else is required to make postings to suit what you deem as acceptable. This forum is a free exchange of ideas from a wide range of perspectives and life experiences. No one is expected to agree with each and every poster and no one here except Peter and his deemed admins have a right to censor or subdue postings.

Examination of available information and speculation regarding possible scenarios is appropriate in this forum and when statements are made by individual posters it is a given that it is solely their opinion regarding the matter. Everyone here is entitled to their individual thoughts, opinions, & speculations regardless of whether or not they have stated the facts correctly and regardless of whether you or anyone else agrees.

Unknown said...

Do you not see that you are doing the very thing you are saying should not be done?

Me2l said...
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M said...

I have not re-read the PC so I might change my mind depending on what is in there...

I have a thought about the dog. A lot of people (me too!) have wondered how and when the dog was let out, if crated. Perhaps DB entered the house through the garage door. If the dog was crated in the garage, he could have let the dog out before entering the house.

Hey Jude said...

ABB - maybe not outside the city walls in sackcloth and ashes, but it doesn't look as if Davey will be going home again. Here's a public Facebook post which Amanda's sister, Amber, posted yesterday. It's a lovely tribute to Amanda, it put me in mind of the good wife of Proverbs 31: 10-31:

HOME.
I've been thinking about this word a lot lately. Probably because I've been hosting a lot of people in my home in the last few weeks. Or maybe it is because I'm so incredibly THANKFUL I have a home. But most days, it is because I can hardly stand the thought that Davey and Weston will never go back to their home.
As I walked into Amanda's home on Friday, November 13, I remember feeling anxious and nervous, and a whole slew of emotions that I had never experienced before walking into her home. I had walked into her home hundreds of times - and each time I felt happy, and excited, and welcomed, and - well, HOME. If you've ever been to Amanda's home, you know that it is always warm and cozy and beautiful - you can't help but feel drawn in. There is always a beautiful wreath on the front door that marks each new season. Her home is always clean and clutter-free (even with a 15 month old - I told her to wait until she has two or three kids!). It smells like Autumn in the Fall and Fresh Balsam in the Winter. There is ALWAYS candy in a bowl on her coffee table. There is a candle-light glow in every room. The pantry is always stocked full of the BEST snacks and treats (and usually the BIGGEST bag of left-over candy corn that she tries to keep in stock year round! ). Her fridge is covered in black and white photos of ALL of the wonderful people in her life (no one is left out!). Her oven is always on with chocolate chip cookies baking. Elevation Worship is playing in the background. In the cooler months, there is a crackling fire that brings warmth and light to the entire house. There is a rustic touch in every room with a unique story behind each and every piece of furniture and decor. Everything in her home has purpose. It is practical and organized, yet creative and lovely at the same time. She has a place for everything and everything is in its place. She lives by the words - "just make yourself at home"! She is an incredible hostess, and makes every party, gathering, event, and holiday about the PEOPLE in her home. You can't help but love being there.

Continued ..

Hey Jude said...


Amber's FB post continued

As I walked through her home for the first time without her, I could hardly breathe. You see, there was a beautiful wreath hanging on the front door. In spite of everything that had happened inside only a few days before, her house was spotless. Her Autumn candle was sitting on her kitchen countertop. There were two and a half pieces of candy corn in her candy bowl. Her pantry was stocked full of the best snacks and treats. The pictures on her fridge were updated with pictures I had never seen, and I stopped to take in all of the wonderful memories she had made. She had added a few rustic pieces of furniture to her living and dining room that I couldn't help but notice and admire. Her laundry was done and her closet was so perfectly organized. She literally had a place for everything and everything was in its place. Her Bible and journal were sitting where they always were. Her chalkboard in her dining room read - "You will keep in PERFECT PEACE, him whose mind is STEADFAST, because he TRUSTS in you." I couldn't help but think that in the midst of utter tragedy taking place in her own home, there these very words were written. As if God planted them there not only as a reminder to Amanda - something for her to glean strength and courage from in those final moments - but as a reminder to all who are left on this earth - To TRUST Him - To Remain STEADFAST - and to look to God alone for PERFECT PEACE.
In that moment I realized that the reason I feel such warmth and love when I'm in Amanda's home isn't because of the way she decorated, or the candle she picked out, or the cookies in the oven......It is the way she makes you feel VALUED while you are there. It is the CONVERSATIONS you have in her living room about life. It is her BIBLE and journal on the living room table that she lives by every single day. It is the powerful words of each song that plays on her Pandora station that she doesn't just sing, but makes her LIFE-SONG. It is the PEOPLE on the fridge that she has impacted. It is the TIME she spent grocery shopping to make sure she has YOUR favorite treats and snacks stocked in the pantry. It is the DISCIPLINE she has to make sure she picks up toys and keeps things clean - even when she doesn't feel like it. It is the WARMTH and LIGHT she radiates because she loves Jesus. It is the very PEACE of God in her that makes her house a warm and cozy and beautiful place to live.
I don't know about you, but so often my home becomes about the decorations and the candles and the cookies, and I miss opportunities because my house isn't perfect or "clean enough" for company. I have a very long way to go, but I want the PEACE of God to rule my home and fill it with warmth and light. I am going to commit to that this year. I'm still going to buy Fresh Balsam candles and put candy in all of my candy bowls and fill every picture frame with pictures of Amanda - but I want my house to be a HOME - a place where people come and see Jesus and experience the PEACE of God. Thank you Amanda for being such an example to me, even now. I love you so much.

Me2l said...


ABB, I wholeheartedly am on board with your points 1 and 2 and partially agree with 3, although this is where the conjecture begins and is based on half-truths or faulty perception (we don't know, for instance, when DB usually left for the gym).

Point 4 is where you lose me.

To begin, you (and many others), an amateur, have "diagnosed" a personality disorder....long distance, if you will; something even a professional in mental health would decline to do.

Next, you invoke God and your perspective regarding spirituality, similar to DB's Divine invocation. By so doing, you are attempting to assert your authority over those who may question some of your statements.

I'm certainly not discounting your beliefs (I believe, from what I've read of your words, I'm very similar along those lines.). BUT, there are people who believe God speaks to them, and although you and I would question that, based upon OUR beliefs, it is not a valid argument of persuasion to use in the determination of guilt (DB's).


Me2l said...

Of course not. I may have come across much differently than I meant it. I was simply trying to point out what I consider to be questionable....as many here are.

I did not intend it to be stern, as I respect and enjoy ABB's posts here.

I guess it just shows how difficult it can be to interpret.

At the same time, are you entitied to admonish me because of my opinion?

Anonymous said...


Your post @ 10:16 Peter, wherein you state; "I remain convinced only of guilt and hiding related to sexuality by the language." "......, I have only connected him to sexuality." Please explain. This is thoroughly confusing to me. If it's only guilty sex, why bother seeking to find guilt in her murder?

Are you saying that the only guilt you are sure of is his secretive sexuality? But then, at the conclusion to one of your articles you state that his sex life is the mans' own business. Now you've got me confused.

According to your statement analysis that you have outlined all along the way showing his "guilt", you do not associate these guilty steps with just his sexuality. If so, where are you saying this? I'm certainly not reading it this way. I have read guilt in Amanda's murder in every one of your articles, whether or not associated with any extra circular activities Davey might have been involved with. Besides, one's playing around or other deviate sex life does not necessarily lead to murder, per'se. If it did, there'd be a lot of dead people.

As it regards his sexuality, how so? So, he's keeping some sex secrets, in what area? There is nothing in your statements that draws one to the conclusion that he could be either having affairs with other women and this might have led to him scheming to have Amanda killed, or killed her himself, or that he could be trans, bi, homo, cross-dresser, or pedophilia, and THIS is the secret he is hiding which may or may not attribute to killing his wife. If so, where is it?

Plenty of men have had these sex problems/preferences and didn't end up killing their wives, or having them killed, so what's the connection? And why would it matter anyway if he was hiding one of these sex secrets if it didn't lead to his wifes' death, rather seeing her dead than having her divorce him which would destroy his ministry? Murder is murder, regardless as to the secret reason.

If it's only a sex problem, who cares anyhow? You can't be sure anyway what a person does in bed unless you see them doing it, or they are caught doing it, or they confess to doing it. I am seeing way more guilt here in Davey Blackburn than you are now implying in this post, wherein you are only seeing some sort of guilt in his sex life? Why the riddle? Please explain. Thank you. ABB

lynda said...

Peter Hyatt said...
I have heard and posted the arguments of those in law enforcement.

I remain convinced only of guilt and hiding related to sexuality by the language.

I am open to the theory, but linguistically, I have only connected him to sexuality.

Peter

December 30, 2015 at 10:16 AM

____________________________________________

It's so hard to accept Peter...because it means that Davey Blackburn IS the luckiest man alive.

CJ said...

Still on the sermon.

If only God could figure out how to partner with Starbucks, what an amazing team that would be:

44:15
“I just got a French press for Christmas and I’m super excited about using it.”

44:39
“In order for you and I to experience an anointing from God, to be used by God in an incredible way, listen, listen, listen: it will require some pressing. And that’s very difficult to swallow.”





Anonymous said...

To Im.aGrandma @6:07, thank you for your lovely response! Well spoken, well taken. Such a lovely scripture, so thoughtfully offered. Thank you. ABB

Anonymous said...

Hey Jude; thank you for reposting Amber's tributes and lovely memories of her sister, Amanda. What a beautiful person Amanda was, and such a perfect wife, mother and homemaker. She was perfect in every way.

I can't imagine how Davey could have ever been critical of her, or could have wanted any more or less than he already had. My goodness, what a loss. I just hope he comes to feel some remorse for the way he treated her and realizes one day the great love he lost and didn't even love or appreciate her. What a sad way for such a lovely person to meet such a tragic end. It's just not fair. ABB

Anonymous said...

I'm bothered by the dog as well. he was obviously attached to Amanda and would not just sit quietly while she was being murdered, even if he was in the garage. My dog loves the mail lady and barks excitedly when she is 10 houses down. In the OJ case, Nicole Brown's dog was the reason the bodies were found...

LOS ANGELES — The white Akita was acting strangely the night of June 12.

The dog wailed incessantly. It barked at houses. It followed a stranger home.

It had blood on its paws and legs.

Sukru Boztepe and his wife, Bettina Rasmussen, couldn't figure out what was wrong. So they decided to let the dog show them.

They followed the Akita as it led them around the neighborhood, then stopped abruptly and turned its head to the right, toward a path.

"I turned right and looked the same direction that the dog was looking," Boztepe testified yesterday in the O.J. Simpson preliminary hearing. "I seen a body.

Anonymous said...

ME21, You are making way too much out of my post, hon. Just forget about it, they were just my thoughts and opinions, AND beliefs.

I may be wrong in the normal leaving time of 5:30, but this is not a big deal. I picked it up right here from earlier posts of previous posters who SAID, quoted by witnesses/neighbors, that Davey usually left for the gym at 5:30 a.m., so it's not like it's something I picked up out of thin air. But is it really important in the big picture? No, other than it does weigh in on him not leaving that particular morning until 6:11 a.m., his own words.

As for my item #4, I believe to be entirely accurate. If one really believes the Bible and those teachings throughout, (not saying you don't); they will understand there IS a spirit of discernment where one is able to tell the difference between good and evil, and right or wrong, and they will be able to decipher within their own spirit those warnings where scripture is being distorted and twisted, as well as misquoted and used to their own benefit and not as God intended; this is basically what I was referring too. It is not a denominational thing.

But again, we are each entitled to our own beliefs and opinions and with all due respect of others who may see it differently. No problem, okay? ABB

Bobcat said...

lynda @ 11:26

One of Peter's first analysis included investigators saying "No one gets this lucky"

Anonymous said...

Anon at 10:16 said, "Larry Taylor is a psychopath who RANDOMLY raped and killed people. While on a crime spree, he randomly entered Amanda’s home after burglarizing another home in her neighborhood. Davey’s textbook narcissistic behavior has been misdiagnosed as evidence that he's involved in Amanda's murder.Research the behavior of subhuman malignant narcissists. Their behavior is so aberrant that they need their own set of SA rules."

Wow. This strikes me. I suppose several of us engaged with this case because DB's behavior is so COMPLETELY opposite of anything we've personally witnessed. We've been blessed to have zero narcissists in our lives.

Now I'm curious to learn more about malignant narcissists. I am wondering: does anyone know of a criminal case where someone displaying malignant narcissism (like DB) was suspected of a crime and ultimately proven innocent????

I've suspected DB's orchestration of the murder from Day 1, but this malignant narcissist theory is the only thing that is making me think he could be innocent (+ Peter saying that he can only conclude guilt and hiding in relation to sexuality). Ahhhhhh I have so many things to do, but I can't stop thinking about/reading about this case!?!!! KCT

lynda said...

Davey said..

She surrendered to Him a long time ago, and she said, “Your plan, Jesus. My life and my plans are in Your hands. Do with me what You will.”

That’s why Amanda is a form of a Mary right there. She said, “I surrender. I can’t do this on my own, I can’t carry this, I can’t do this, I just, I’m not strong enough but you are strong and I am weak, I surrender to you.

_______________________________________________

Amanda is not only Mary...she's Christ himself. The last paragraph reminds me WAY to much of Christ in the Garden of Gethsemane.

Anonymous said...

Anon @12:18, yes the dog is a mystery. If only they could talk, what a tale they could tell. In Amanda's case, if I recall correctly, LE said the dog greeted them and was very friendly. Now that's a mystery if he had been lose in the house all this time as Amanda lay dying. But it was if he had just arrived on the scene and greeted friendly guests.

Yes, this IS something of a mystery, as if maybe Davey had just let him lose from the enclosed garage and he had no idea his mistress lay dying in her blood on the floor. I haven't heard if he had any blood on him, or just what was his condition other than his friendliness. IMO, too much info has been concealed by LE. ABB

lynda said...

Bobcat said...
lynda @ 11:26

One of Peter's first analysis included investigators saying "No one gets this lucky"

December 30, 2015 at 12:24 PM

__________________________________

I know Bobcat..that's why if SA only can find him guilty of hiding/knowledge of sexuality, he IS the luckiest man on earth. He wanted Amanda and new baby GONE, he wanted to be in the limelight, and poof! Just so happens she was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Anonymous said...

Bobcat, re your post to Lynda @11:26; right on! There have been many references to no one getting this lucky, all by mere coincidence. "What are the odds?" There is an entire article based on these odds not being coincidental.

Now the entire analysis can be based on ties only to secretive sex, when this is not what I'm seeing or have been interpreting based on statement analysis as well as every other thing outlined? I am definitely confused. ABB

Me2l said...

I understand these are your thoughts, and I replied with my thoughts.

As I said......and I will repeat.......you and I appear to have similar beliefs, I, also, believe in a spirit of discernment. That just isn't a valid argument as far as the guilt of DB, however. I will remind you, DB apparently believes God speaks to him. So, if you or I say we are sure of DB's guilt because of a spirit of discernment, it's really just as questionable to others as is DB's conversation with God.

Kate said...

I still believe Davey Blackburn is involved with the murder of his wife, Amanda Blackburn.

I believe Davey was banking on this turning into a worldwide "event". I believe Davey was anticipating a race war, which didn't come about. You had your usual racists, as with every case, but it didn't tip the scale and Davey was left to simply state "what if", what if he could save these big bad killers and lead them to Jesus Christ? What a frickin' story that would make.

For it was Daveyboy himself who spewed out, "Other languages have had to try to create words to make concepts that aren't in the Hebrew language. You know what one of the words that is not in the Hebrew language so therefore the concept doesn't exist, is the word COINCIDENCE..........there's no such thing."

One thing I had noticed that I'm wondering if others did, is how frequently they refer to Davey as "Davey Blackburn" they stay away from prefacing him with "Pastor". Has anyone else noticed that? Not all the time, but a lot.

Amy Smith said...

New Christian Post story:
http://m.christianpost.com/news/amanda-blackburn-husband-davey-satan-responsible-pregnant-wifes-murder-christmas-church-service-153753/?m=1

DB says Satan is responsible and salvation is possible even for the men who murdered Amanda. (But anyone who questions him or PN must be blocked.)

Anonymous said...

Lynda, you have a couple of posts up above that I intend to get back too, but will have to catch up with you later. Right now I have to try to solve a plumbing problem. Later then? ABB

lynda said...

ABB..good luck with the plumbing. I LOATHE when plumbing goes awry..grrrr

Rabbit said...

The Christian Post article notes that Davey spoke to "200 congregants" on Christmas Eve. Not much of an increase from the former 120, especially considering some people only show up for church on major holy days. Some may have attended out of curiosity too - will they return for more Davey? 113 minutes of his incessant chattering - depressing, nonsensical and boring overall - probably felt more like 113 hours.

Still waiting for the arrival of the history-changing event that Davey predicted...

John Mc Gowan said...

Davey Blackburn
2 hrs · Twitter ·

The cross and the empty tomb mean that in Christ you and I can be victorious over our circumstances!!

Cryptic?

https://www.facebook.com/daveyblackburn

Anonymous said...

lynda at 12:29.

Thanks for the transcription. It is incredibly hard work to catch and record all of Davey's stuttering. (It occurred to me today to wonder if Davey is a congenital stutter — did he have problems as a child? This would explain a lot).

I agree with your analysis. As far as equivalencies go, this is what I took away from the sermon:

Mary = Amanda, to the extent that both were highly favored and blessed, and viewed that blessing as an impossible burden.

Christ = Amanda, to the extent that both surrendered their will to God and died to bring hope and life to the world.

Davey = Elizabeth, the older cousin whose dream of having a child has been revived and restored by God

Davey's child is, of course, his job, career, or calling:

"I believe there’s some people in here, who you feel like there have been some things in your life that HAVE BEEN KILLED, THAT HAVE DIED. Maybe a dream that has died, may, maybe it’s a m maybe it’s a, a, a, job or career, that has died, maybe you have settled into something that’s less than what you thought you were gonna achieve at this stage in your life. Maybe it, listen, maybe it is a family member or a close friend, maybe Christmas is difficult for you. Because you just experienced loss and death and here is what I know about our God…He showed up to Elizabeth and he said, I can bring back to life the things that are dead in your life. I can revive what has been lost."

CJ said...

lynda, I forgot to sign that last. : ) CJ

Me2l said...

I'm trying to make sense of some of these theories.

Worldwide event?

Race war?

Where do ideas like these come from???

Kate said...

Me21 @ 1:17 said..
I'm trying to make sense of some of these theories.
Worldwide event?
Race war?
Where do ideas like these come from???
==============================================================================

Where do these events come from? Have you watched the news over the past few years at all? Ferguson? Chicago? The entire United States? As far as "worldwide event" goes, you can thank Daveyboy and PN for those ideas. It's not a stretch by anyones imagination that Davey and PN were both thinking and continue to think of worldwide attention. They preached it.

Anonymous said...

Me2l said:

"I'm trying to make sense of some of these theories.

Worldwide event?

Race war?

Where do ideas like these come from???



They come from someone who thinks the Sandy Hook massacre was a hoax. So there's that.

Anonymous said...

ME 21, let's just drop it. Obviously you and I are not coming from the same place concerning the spirit of discernment, which is a very powerful deterrent in many areas of our lives, including Davey's sermons and etc etc etc.

FIRST, one has to consider the words of the person, including their claiming God spoke to them, which in this particular case Davey claimed that God directed him in the shower, and these "dry bones" and bla bla and in bypassing Jesus and the work he has already done on this earth.

God will NOT be sending another one to save anybody, Jesus has already done this, etc, which, if one understands the Word of God, they won't even be questioning that this could not be coming from God. Best we drop it. Please, we are not going to have a meeting of the minds on this one, hon. Now, I really DO have to get down to the plumbing store. ABB

Kate said...

Anon They come from someone who thinks the Sandy Hook massacre was a hoax. So there's that.
December 30, 2015 at 1:32 PM
==========================================================================================

But this isn't about Sandy Hook, is it? And this isn't about my thoughts on Sandy Hook, which you clearly have no business putting words into my mouth.

Stick to the Blackburn case, I'm not going anywhere, get used to it :) I am a critical thinker and will continue to do so until the day I die. If that offends you, too bad.

Anonymous said...

JMTO said...

"Concerned is probably just throwing theories out there- trying to make sense out of this whole mess.

Her theory on having Meg be the link to the gang could have value- as no one can really see any of her social media sites now- she went off to private land very quickly after Amanda was killed.

Might be something to possibly consider, since she has no problem being Davey's go getter now (for water on stage) there's always a possibility she was his go getter before the murder happened."


So because you can't see Meg's social media, that points to her ordering the hit? Surely you can't be serious. She brings Davey water on-stage, so she would probably arrange a murder for him, too? Does that really sound logical to you?

Of course she put her SM accounts on lock-down. Who wouldn't? I sure as heck would if someone I knew was brutally murdered, and a bunch of people started stalking my SM and pointing the finger at me for being involved.

Not only is it not-at-all constructive to "throw everything against the wall -- no matter how unlikely, impossible or absurd -- to see what sticks," but imo it's gutless to hide behind a computer and accuse innocent people of being involved in such a heinous crime (Ryan and Meg both come to mind).

This is not a TV show. These are real people whose names are being dragged through the mud based on absolutely NOTHING except someone's "feeling" or "opinion" or "trying to make sense."

People are free to say whatever they want, of course, and I'm free to think it's gross.

Bobcat said...

If "the butler" is connected to the orchestration, she will be hard to pin down. Meg is minimal on SM, and likely very smart. Probably fully aware of DB sexual issues and has no problem with being his beard/dutiful assistant and Weston's caregiver. Single white female??

Bobcat said...

Anon 1:51

"Of course she put her SM accounts on lock-down. Who wouldn't? I sure as heck would if someone I knew was brutally murdered, and a bunch of people started stalking my SM and pointing the finger at me for being involved."

Isn't she the only one who really "locked down" after the murder? Interesting. Either she is smarter than everyone else connected to DB, or doesn't want us digging, or both...
Sure, DB has corrected his language and his postings, but he hasn't hidden.

rosy said...

Kate said ....
at 12:44 PM
For it was Daveyboy himself who spewed out, "Other languages have had to try to create words to make concepts that aren't in the Hebrew language. You know what one of the words that is not in the Hebrew language so therefore the concept doesn't exist, is the word COINCIDENCE..........there's no such thing."
---------------

This is one of the truisms Davey takes from Rabbi Daniel Lapin among others. The Bible tells us, "time and chance happens to them all." In 1 Samuel 6:9, diviners tell the Philistines watch the direction of the cart carrying back the ark to the Israelite, If it goes one way, the plagues have been caused by the Lord, if another way, "know that it is not his hand that struck us; it happened to us by coincidence.” Most translations read "by chance." The Hebrew is miqreh, "accident, chance, fortune"; "something befallen, befall, chance, event, happen." http://biblehub.com/hebrew/4745.htm By this sort of coincidence Ruth happened to glean a piece of a field owned a wealthy man related to her mother-in-law's deceased husband: "and her hap was to light on a part of the field belonging to Boaz." The text does not say the Lord guided her there by Providence, yet interpreters read is so. She happened on that bit of ungleaned cultivated land at the time it happened to be owned by Boaz, and when she lighted on it she and Naomi were in dire need. The Hebrew does signify the event as marvelously coincidental. Religionm though commentary, interprets it as Providential. "Literally, her hap happened. A chance in outward seeming, yet a clear shaping of her course by unseen hands." "Though it was hap and chance to her, and what some people call good luck, it was according to the purpose, and by the providence and direction of God that she came to the reapers in that part of the field Boaz." Compare in NT the usual translation of Greek sugkuria (to happen together) in Lk 10:31 as "By chance," literally "a coincidence, accident, chance," with commentary: "properly, what occurs together by God's providential arrangement of circumstances – all achieving His eternal purpose in each scene of life."

In Hebrew as in Greek, concepts and everyday language exist for signifying chance, happenstance and, yes, coincidence. And these are interpreted religiously in terms of divine, providential arrangements.

lynda said...

Anon A 1:12

Davey himself brought that into the mix by stating the "event" (code for his wife being slaughtered) will bring about a historical change that has never been seen before..in religion, in the church, in the nation. He's a loon.

Anonymous said...

LT's mother and stepfather seem to be very religious individuals according to their social media accounts. In fact, there is a picture posted on facebook of Taylor's mother and stepfather with Indiana Governor Pence. Wasn't Pence also at AB's funeral? The coincidence's in this case are out of this world.

lynda said...

Davey says..
The cross and the empty tomb mean that in Christ you and I can be victorious over our circumstances!!

_______________________

Huh? He's an idiot..truly.

Anonymous said...

Amanda's sister does say nice things about her but she goes a little overboard in her writings. I feel like I'm reading a passage out of a novel, not a woman speaking of her sister. It's just too flowery and perfect. I'm sure Amanda was a great woman but is anyone THAT perfect? It just seems like the entire family is so unaffected by the violent nature of what happened. Maybe they are just very good at overlooking it. It would take me a lot longer.

Anonymous said...

ITA, Rabbit. His preaching/communication is just terrible. Bless your heart Lynda for transcribing that mess. I am glad you did though b/c I could not stand to watch more than a couple minutes. It is pretty clear from the videos I have managed to stomach, that Davey was never going to build a PN-type mega-congregation. He never really managed to 'plant' a church at all. And no wonder. 1.5 long diatribes of nonsense only the deluded could listen to that week after week. DB has/had a lot of violence on his mind in the time leading up to ABs murder. I think the trigger was probably a combination of 1) realizing he was failing to build a following and 2) AB realizing he was a terrible pastor, husband, and father and perhaps letting her doubts be known. If she was finally starting to challenge him publicly in LoveSongs (that's not true), she was probably doing it in private too.

CJ said...

There are many references to pregnancy in this sermon: Mary's pregnancy, Elizabeth's pregnancy, Amanda's pregnancy with Weston, people who are excited about pregnancy and do crazy things, people who aren't excited about pregnancy ("but we won't talk about that tonight"), and then this gem, with a hat tip from Davey to those of us who he knows are scrutinizing his use of pronouns: The topic is Mary's worry, or angst, about her situation:

“And I’m not just talking about “mom angst.” Moms, if you’re here, you know, you just wor–, we wor–, you worry about everything. I can say “WE” now. I CAN. You worry about everything. And I’m not, I’m not just talking about the little small mom angst that we feel, I’m talking about, she began to feel this heavy burden.”

Q: Why does Davey say "we" where we would expect him to say "I?"
A: Because he CAN.

ima.grandma said...

Our age has seen an almost complete blur of the previously separate spheres of the private and the secret.  They share some characteristics of one another and seem to be interchangeable.  If treated as a single identity, the differences appear to become lost. 

Result: assumption ~ anything kept from the public gaze is perceived as suspect. This is illogical.  Privacy and Secrecy are two distinct concepts. 

My privacy belongs to me. I may choose to selectively share. The rest is mine alone.

Caveat: if public interest is to benefit from published private details, it shall be made available.

JMTO said...

Gross.
I have a friend with a daughter in her late teens, early twenties that thinks everything she doesn't agree with is gross. Lol.

Why so angry?
There has been thousands of scenarios played out, what ifs, etc.

If Meg didn't have anything to do with Amanda's murder- then she has no reason to worry or get upset.

I have never thought Ryan? was involved- he's just neighborhood watch.

And yes - Meg just brought him water, and she put all of her SM to private that is no crime.
Neither is shopping for bibs or jockstraps.

I do find it strange that she disappeared after moving out of Davey and Amanda's - and is now reappearing again.
I'm sure she is just being a good friend.

However, I do wish it was Amanda bringing him water onstage at the Christmas Sermon instead of Meg.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone considered the PD is in on it somehow? This investigation has earned JonBenet status.

Hey Jude said...

You're welcome, ABB - I thought you would like it. I think as time goes on Davey can't help but miss Amanda and regret that he did not appreciate her and the life at home she worked so hard and took such pleasure in making for them. Weston may not retain even a single memory of how home was with his mother, her style and vibe - so sad, but at least he has a loving family who will talk to him about her, and there will always be the photos.

JMTO said...

See what I'm getting at CJ?
This is what bothered me.
Amanda was pregnant when she died.
All he talks about is "the burden" or "mom angst" people who do crazy things during pregnancy (like post it on SM??), Elizabeth's pregnancy......

But he does not talk about Amanda's pregnancy when she died, the new baby.
He talks of almost all negative things referring to pregnancy but not the unborn child.

Maybe that is why I feel the way I do when I read it?

It just has a negative ring around it that he refuses to address, that he himself felt burdened or that Amanda did, or they both did.

Idk

JMTO said...

Exactly.

And why get on here, on Peter's blog, and zero in on ONE theory.
Makes you wonder.

Gross indeed.

Me2l said...

Yes! These theories have flown all over the place and based upon what? Just feelings, a person's life perspective, spiritual discernment.....really unbelievable, although it is sometimes rather fascinating to read.

Peter's SA is absolutely excellent and quite enlightening; however, there must be reasons....valid ones.....as to why LE has completely discounted DV's involvement to the point of finding it unnecessary to even go the SA route.

DB may very well be all the things attributed to him here (and he truly seems to be)......EXCEPT guilty.

Me2l said...

I think DB's shower revelation, dry bones, etc. is pure bunk. I completely agree with you on that.

HOWEVER, that does not make him guilty of murder or prove it in any way.

rosy said...

lynda said...
at 2:35 PM
Davey says..
The cross and the empty tomb mean that in Christ you and I can be victorious over our circumstances!!
_______________________

Huh? He's an idiot..truly.
----------------

He's saying Jesus's sacrifice and resurrection in the flesh are real and make sense of everything human beings go through. A huge number of religious people believe this. It's pointless to quarrel with it. He's also riffing on the burial service and "O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?"

lynda said...

Davey says..."you worry about everything. I can say “WE” now. I CAN."
______________________________________________________

It's like he's saying, "na-na-nana-na..so take THAT Peter! I'm saying WE!! Infantile.

Yep..that's all I heard too in what I transcribed. I only got thru 20 minutes! Another 40 minutes is a "burden" to great to bear. All he talked about was pregnancy in the negative, injecting his own interpretation of how Mary felt which i certainly don't believe it was as cumbersome and agony producing as Davey says. Pregnancy is BAD. It causes much angst and worry. It is a BURDEN.
He lays the blame of calling Amanda "Mary-like" on his FIL. I wonder if her dad actually said that? If he did, he's deluded also. It appears that Amanda was a wonderful young woman and that her goal was to live her life for the Lord. That she truly wanted to be an instrument that manifested Gods love to whomever she could. BUT..she was young, she had miles to go, she was NOT perfect, she was NOT completely without will of her own (meaning she hadn't given it all to God) but her family seems to have romanticized or put her on a pedestal of perfection that she had not attained. She sinned, we all do. If we didn't, if we WERe living a life that everything we did was God willed because we had subjegated our own will, well then...we'd be close to Christ-like, wouldn't we? Which is exactly what Davey's plan is I think. Amanda is Mary with shades of Christ. Is this how he's going to start a movement? Are Amanda's journals going to become the new "bible"? That sure would change history, wouldn't it? I mean no disrespect to Amanda..she appeared to be trying to not only talk the talk but walk the walk. Davey is trying to plant his seeds in his "believers" heads that RESONATE church is going to be far and above bigger and better than any church EVER because Amanda was murdered FOR them! Tow the line! She gave her life for YOU! Honor her, WORsHIP her! She gave her life for YOU! Say it enough, to the right confused, searching, immature people and it just might work. JMO

Interested said...

Has Davey Blackburn returned to the ministry yet? Has he made any announcements about taking time off, how long, or if he is coming back for sure?

Lots of emotion here and I am just looking for some info

thank you.

lynda said...

I also truly believe that LE is up to their hips in this. There is certainly corruption in their force that has been shown, who knows how deep and widespread that truly is? New Mayor, new Police Chief..either to clean up the force or just run a different, corrupt agenda. LE is pleased as punch that they made a couple of bangers for Amanda's murder and cleaned up a couple more with the same perp that they are not going to go any further.

I also agree with Sus? or Kate? who said that any atty that is representing Taylor is going to throw Davey to the wolves for his defense. There IS widespread suspicion. Good Lord...take a spin around the net dude...its ALL OVER the place.

Maggie said...

Lynda,
If PN can change the ten commandments I guess DBs free to change the Bible.

Also, a thought for those wondering about LE. My guess is either they are looking at DB and keeping it close to the vest - as they should. Or, they realize they botched that avenue early on and figure a solved case - with the perps in jail is better than the truth and the hit to their reputation.

Sus said...

This is one of the wisest things I have read. The lines are certainly blurred now...into one big smudge of fear and distrust.

I hope since you are posting that you are home, or feeling better where you are at, or at least have a new IPad. :-)

Me2l said...

LE is in on it ..... for what reason?

Me2l said...

Sloane Berrie, maybe, just MAYBE, LE has much more knowledge than do a bunch of people commenting on Internet forums.

JMTO said...

Yes Lynda!!!

This whole thing.

I found a very negative vibe from him about pregnancy, Mary's pregnancy, Elizabeth unable to get pregnant, crazy pregnancy posting and mom angst.

He talks about pregnancy so much in the negative it made me wonder if he was insinuating that Amanda felt burdened by this new pregnancy, even though he never addressed it in his sermon.

I am nowhere near as educated in SA as Peter, you, Sus, Imagrandma and others but it seems like pregnancy in the negative is a theme in this sermon, along with Amanda being a martyr to him.

I am also wondering about if he consulted with Amanda's father about discussing this sermon. I have no doubt in my mind that he reads Peter's blog. So maybe he discussed it with him, and her father suggested that he tell the congregation that PB came up with the idea, so that it didn't have that "I heard God in the shower" ring to it, and he could hide behind her father so as not to be blamed for his own ideas.

But that's JMTO

Not a Robot said...

At this point, I'm thinking that DB will only be seriously investigated for Amanda's murder when his next wife dies under suspicious circumstances.

JMTO said...

Well, if he is not involved in Amanda's murder, then he has nothing to worry about then, does he?
No scenario in the world will prove him guilty without evidence.

"DB may very well be all the things attributed to him here (and he truly seems to be)......EXCEPT guilty."

I would prefer to read "DB may very well be all the things attributed to him here (and he truly seems to be)......EXCEPT involved in the murder of his wife, Amanda and their unborn child."

And as arrogant, weird, and fake as he is, along with being a narcissist, I truly hope he is not involved. But I (and many, many others all over the internet) can't shake the feeling that he is.

Hopefully the 911 call will be released very soon.

JMTO said...

Sorry Kate this posted on the wrong comment. Hahaha.
It was meant for MeI or whoever.

I completely agree with your comment though here!!

rosy said...

Mark Cotton offered a $5000 reward in Nov 20 for information leading to the arrest of whoever shot and killed his son. The shooting occurred November 12. Friends made a T-shirt design for Mark Cotton, on sale for $30, to help pay for his funeral.

Y/day a suspect was arrested.

"Marion Police said early Wednesday that detectives arrested 17-year-old Shakur Johnson on a murder charge in connection with the Nov. 12 shooting of Mark Cotton Jr. outside of Cotton’s Nebraska Street home.

An autopsy on 23-year-old Cotton showed he died of multiple gunshot wounds.

“I’m extremely proud of the officers and dispatchers who handled the call initially and our fantastic team of detectives who doggedly worked this case,” Marion Police Chief David Gilbert said. “These professionals were determined to provide the first step in the process of understanding for the victim’s family and the application of justice in our community. We look forward to seeing the results of Prosecutor (James) Luttrull’s efforts in prosecuting this important case and will assist him in any way.”

Anon "I" said...

You know, if one person smells a fish, its can be an anomaly. If three people smell fish, maybe its cooking on the stove. If so many people throughout the USA and beyond (including experts) smell fish, it might be because something fishy is actually going on.

If there is a close shoreline, a hook, worms, a rod and reel on the steps, a filleting knife on the back porch, cats hanging around sniffing the air, an egg and breading station set up in the kitchen, and a hot skillet are all present, it would not be surprising to find someone with a "catch of the day" preparing dinner. There are so many facts in this "event" that point to valid concerns. Violence in DB's language, pulling out an airsoft gun in church over worries (right before his wife is murdered), disparaging comments about Amanda, frequent talk of their sex life in public, talking about their poor marriage, how pregnancy makes marriage harder, an admitted second pregnancy, Meg leaving and having an emergent sale on etsy, a door left unlocked, him sitting in the car talking for so long that morning (unless this could be proven to be an ingrained habit), readiness to give interviews, lack of grief, joy over the possibilities for his church, claims of God talking to him in the shower about why Amanda had to die... and about a dozen's dozen of other facts warrant a closer look. Its kind of hard to ignore the fish smell.

Yes, I know that I am trying to persuade (You know...) readers here that its worth looking into... :) Bonus: Can anyone tell what my father loved to do? What might my mother have done? Were there any animals around when I was growing up? LOL


Bobcat said...

Not a Robot 4:13

I agree with you. This reminds me of LE in Denver and Ramsey connections.
Plus DB IS lucky - Larry Taylor is taking the hit for this one.

His grandfather is Dr. Jim Blackburn, someone worth mentioning in Wesleyan circles.
(I have NO idea what type of "Dr." he is or where/when he was honored with that title.)
Stepgrandmother is Martha Blackburn, another bigwig in Wesleyan circles - former General Director of Wesleyan Women.

They live in Fishers, Indiana, the headquarters of the Wesleyan Church just outside Indianapolis.

The connections rise fast. The Wesleyan General Superintendent sits on the President's Advisory Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships.

I predict LE will never connect DB to Amanda's death, and why should they? Larry Taylor did it.

Another thought - something I want to state. Even though DB is IMO a poor pastor with a style I would never tolerate, he has reached and saved some souls. That's a good thing. But he has a TON of room for improvement. And hopefully no other wives that end up dead in the future.

lynda said...

Blogger Me2l said...
LE is in on it ..... for what reason?

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Anonymous Maggie said...
Lynda,
If PN can change the ten commandments I guess DBs free to change the Bible.

Also, a thought for those wondering about LE. My guess is either they are looking at DB and keeping it close to the vest - as they should. Or, they realize they botched that avenue early on and figure a solved case - with the perps in jail is better than the truth and the hit to their reputation
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That's the reason Blogger...LE is not "in on it" in the sense that they conspired to have Amanda murdered. Like myself and Maggie said above, they botched it from the beginning (letting the dog roam around, not keeping Davey at the scene, interviewing him at hospital not station, no poly, letting him leave town, not taking Amandas journals, the list goes on and on) that they are happier than hell just having 2 perps on the hook for it. Bangers no less. Clean up those mean streets. There is NO WAY they're going to admit they screwed up. There are people sitting on death row that have finally been released even though evidence (DNA) proved they were innocent, but LE and the prosecutors would NOT admit they did anything wrong.They are not going after the false prophet Davey boy.
It gives me a slight bit of hope to hear the new Chief speak as he did about the arrest for the killer of Mark Cotton. He seems to say in a sly way that under NEW regime (his that is, and the mayor) things are going to be different.

Blogger...there is much past documented corruption in the Marion Dept.

lynda said...

Bobcat said,

Another thought - something I want to state. Even though DB is IMO a poor pastor with a style I would never tolerate, he has reached and saved some souls. That's a good thing. But he has a TON of room for improvement. And hopefully no other wives that end up dead in the future

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The question is...are those persons souls "really saved" if the person that brought them to that space is corrupt in HIS soul, and is preaching a corrupted message? Just a thought, not meant to disagree with you.

ima.grandma said...

Sus, I fought for release from the nursing facility. I found the strength to accelerate my progress. Bonus: I was able to stop doctors in their tracks ~ 'don't tell me I won't be able to do something' ~ I began to look forward to their daily rounds just to see their mouths wide open. I became proud of my stubbornness. My treatment plan called for my release the second week in February. Guess who won? I may be only 92 pounds and barely 4'11" but I am strong and resilient. This past Christmas Eve's memory will sustain my family long after I'm gone.

No new iPad from Santa but happy to tell you my sons are building me a new laptop.

Sus, my friend, I value our connection. Especially when we need a hall monitor to come out and handle busy Sybil ~ an analytical puzzle in itself. So far, I've resisted calling on Principal Lemon. :)

Me2l said...

I think readers here are more than aware of everything you mentioned.

Anon "I" said...

The individual person is the only one who can declare that they believe and will accept and follow Jesus. Sometimes the conduit to such a stage may not be pristine.

rosy said...

lynda said...
at 5:08 PM


It gives me a slight bit of hope to hear the new Chief speak as he did about the arrest for the killer of Mark Cotton

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The chief who spoke is the outgoing chief. “I’m extremely proud of the officers and dispatchers who handled the call initially and our fantastic team of detectives who doggedly worked this case,” Marion Police Chief David Gilbert said."
http://wishtv.com/2015/12/30/arrest-made-in-november-fatal-shooting-of-marion-man/

He officially resigned as announced at Christmas: "After 12 years of leading the Marion Police Department, Police Chief David Gilbert will make way for a new chief and and plans to focus more on his family.

"As the longest serving chief on the department, the first one to serve after earning a bachelor's degree, Gilbert said it has been an honor to serve his community."
http://www.chronicle-tribune.com/news/gilbert-hands-over-reigns/article_664c7432-ab5a-11e5-98f0-d7197ff5e251.html

Bobcat said...

lynda,

That's a good question. I think the final answer will come after death. DB does talk in circles, but I hope that whoever came and was baptized was responding to a deeper calling. I'll try not to judge what's in their hearts, even if DB was around when they were baptized.

I definitely will not tell someone they have to do something again because it wasn't good enough the first time. I've been "churched" my whole life and some of my dearest friends are in religious life. They have flaws like any other human.

Questioning whether someone was "really saved" is something the person who went through the process must decide for themselves. If they are alarmed that DB was involved, and want to go somewhere else and do it again just to be safe, good for them. But if they know peace in their heart, IN SPITE of DB being involved, then that is good enough for me.

Anonymous said...

To those talking about the new Police Chief and the Mark Cotton case; that happened in Marion, Indiana. It is not close to Indianapolis and Indianapolis police would not have worked on that. The Police Chief there is leaving as well as Indianapolis' police chief. But they are two different people.

Anon "I" said...

Ima.grandma,
I don't know what you have been through, I just want to
wish you well and say I will send up a prayer in your behalf
to continue your improvement and ability to shock the docs.
Sincerely,
Anon "I"

Anonymous said...

The Marion police chief has nothing to do with Indianapolis and the new police chief they are getting.

rosy said...

Anonymous said...
at 5:37 and 5:47
The Marion police chief has nothing to do with Indianapolis and the new police chief they are getting.
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Thanks for the clarifications The incoming police chief in Indy, January 1, is Troy Riggs

Tania Cadogan said...

John mcgowan said...

Davey Blackburn
2 hrs · Twitter ·

The cross and the empty tomb mean that in Christ you and I can be victorious over our circumstances!!

Cryptic?

https://www.facebook.com/daveyblackburn

December 30, 2015 at 1:06 PM


Leakage :)

lynda said...

Because I'm a freak...I've continued the transcript where I left off. Please, somebody explain why he repeats THREE so many times..THREE DAYS..

, I love the Christmas season, but this is what, this is what, happens in Luke 2:16, it says, “so they hurried off and found Mary and Joseph AND the baby who was lying in the manger. Where they had seen him , they spread the word concerning what had been told them about the child, and all who heard it were AMAZED at what the Shepherd’s said to them.” Verse 20, “The Shepherd’s returned glorifying and praising God for all the things they had heard and seen which were just as they had been told.”
Now, some of you are really sharp and you noticed I skipped Verse 19. Some of you were like, “I wasn’t paying attention so I don’t know if he really did or not.” Buh, buh, I skipped verse 19, and I skipped it on purpose cuz I wanted you to see how excited and elated everyone was. They said , (shouting) THIS IS AN INCREDIBLE BLESSING! WE’VE GOTTA GO TELL EVERYBODY ABOUT IT! But verse 19 says this, “But Mary, treasured up all these things and pondered them in her heart. Why was her reaction so different? Most, most people don’t ponder. You find out it’s a boy, you break open the blue cigars. You find out, just, you get excited about having a baby! You don’t spend time pondering, you spend time freaking out, cuz you’re trying to figure out, well, we gotta get the nursery done, we’ve gotta make sure we got the pack-n-play we gotta make sure we got, got the pumps, a, all the stuff that comes along with havin’ a baby. We gotta make sure we have these, freak, ya start freaking out , but mary, Mary pondered them. (This paragraph was nothing less than schizoid. He was talking SO fast that it was bizarre! If anyone wants to listen..start around 21:00 min.)
In her heart. I, I wanna issue to you that I believe that Mary, as soon as she was told the news that she was going to bear the Messiah, I, I believe that she began to have this angst. And I’m not just talkin’ about Mom angst. Mom’s if you’re here, you know, you just, we just worry about everything. I can say we. Now. I can! Worry about everything. And I’m not, I’m not just talking about little small Mom angst that we feel, I’m talking about she began to feel this heavy burden.
Ya start to look thru the, the trajectory of their life, and Jesus’ life, and the Christmas story is , on this side of things, such a hope filled, joyful, blissful thing but , but in the timeline, of Mary’s life and of Jesus’ life, it wasn’t. I mean, right outta the gate, Mary is pregnant, out of wedlock, which in this time context would have been ground for capital punishment. They would have taken her out back and stoned her to death. You don’t think that crossed her mind? Ya, you don’t think people, you think she’s like, “Oh everybody will buy the virgin birth thing.” Nope, immaculate conception? Absolutely. no..nobody’s gonna buy that.

lynda said...

transcript continued...

. Ya think Mary had her critics? Ya think Mary had her trolls? She starts feelin’ this burden and this angst. Wa, one time they took Jesus
To the temple. When he was, when he was really young, wa, wer, they actually took him several times. But we have, we have two accounts. One when he was really, really, really young and he was circumcised and, and it says they came across this guy who was a prophet, who heard from God, that he wasn’t going to die until he had seen the Messiah with his own eyes. His names Simian. I wanna read to you what Simian said when he sees Jesus, it says this in Luke Chapter 2:34 It says, “The Simian blessed them and said to Mary his mother, so he’s sayin this to Mary, this child is destined to cause the falling and rising of many in Israel. Is that true? I mean, whether you believe in Jesus and what he, what he did or not, you can’t argue with that.
It says, and to be a sign that will be spoken against, so that the thoughts of many hearts will be revealed. And look..he said this to Mary, “And a sword will pierce your own soul too.” Is, says, Mary, this isn’t gonna be easy for you.
When, when Jesus was really young, we don’t really know what, how old, there’s a , an angel that showed up to Joseph in a dream and told him,..get up. Get out of here right now , escape to Egypt because there’s a king whose is jealous, that he’s heard about the King of King’s being born and he wants to kill your baby. He’s going thru and killing all the babies in this area. Get up and go. They didn’t even have time to get the pack n play , they didn’t have time to get the stroller, they didn’t have t, time to get the ba, bir, clo, they didn’t have time to get anything. They went, they fled. You think that’s a great way to start out? Raisin’ and developing a child?
Her life starts to be marked by these instances of hurt ..and pain. Wa, one time they went to the temple, moms, this will make every single one of you feel good, one time they went to the temple when Jesus was about 12 or so. An, an, they’re in this big family and they’re going to the temple to do these big voyages, th, they go into town, into the temples like a big pilgrimage an then the whole family leaves, an, an about half-way home they, they discover that Jesus isn’t with them. So she has one of those moments. Ya know, like Home Alone moments. Right? (In a falsetto, shrill voice, Davey yells) KEVIN! That’s, that’s the kinda moment she has. She’s just lost her kid! Moms! Ya ever lost your kid?? You lost ‘em for THREE minutes! She lost him for THREE days! Isn’t it interesting that Mary lost her son for three days, three days, three days, three days, three days, that’s significant, isn’t it? Three days. Mary, several years later, would lose her son for three days. An when he was 12, she went back and found him, and he said, “Didn’t you know Mom, that I’d be doin’ the Lord’s work? For three days she lost him, so he could do the Lords work. And then……it was restored back to her, what she had lost.


GeekRad said...

Lynda, thank you for all the transcriptions, I cannot stomach 5 minutes of listening to Davey so I really appreciate it. Imagramma, welcome back! I am glad to hear you had a wonderful Christmas with your family.

lynda said...

transcript continued...

But, right here it’s not. It’s hurt. There’s one story where uh, Jesus almost gets killed in his hometown. He preaches such a, such a, such a, controversial message that the people want to kill him. Now I’ve sa, preached some really bad messages but never like that. K? An she, she witnessed it. Her son almost taken to the top of a cliff and thrown off a ledge. It’s hurt. She’s carrying a lot of hurt. You know that Mary was one of the only people close to Jesus? Sat at the feet of the cross. That witnessed him being flogged til he was unrecognizable. Being beaten and spat upon, being shamed and tortured. She watched him die. She watched him die a criminals death that nobody deserves. And she was there when they took his body off…..the cross. I believe she held her son. Some of you have experienced hurt like that. And it’s excruciating. It’s interesting we get the word “excruciating” from the root word, “of the cross.”
See, see Mary’s life was marked by this, by this impossible burden carried. Everybody else saw it as a blessing. She saw it as a burden. Everybody else saw it as a blessing, we see it as a blessing, don’t we? Cuz on this end of the story it’s very apparent to see especially listen, if you’re a follower of Jesus, if you’re a fol , listen, if you’re a follower of Jesus you’re grateful. This is, think about how crazy this sounds. You’re grateful for the cross. You’re grateful for the cross. We’re extremely grateful for the empty tomb. We’re extremely grateful that our God takes what’s dead and he raises it back to life in a matter of time. And it’s an incredible blessing to us but to Mary at that point, it was an impossible burden.
You know where we sit right now? We sit at the place of impossible burdens to carry. And I’m not just talkin’ about in this situation, or my situation, I’m talkin’ about in your situation. We sit on this side, the LEFT side of eternity, wer, wer, wer, we , we don’t see the outcome, we don’t know what’s coming, we can’t see how God’s weaving all this together for our good and his glory. How he’s making all of this beautiful. We can’t see it, we’re stuck feeling this feeling of impossible burden to carry.
But Mary somehow carried hope in the midst of her hurt. Now when she was pregnant, she literally carried hope in the midst of her hurt. When you, when you get to be about 8 or 9 months pregnant, it’s not fun anymore. K? Right? You got, you got, little boy jabbin’ you up in the rib ca..it’s not fun anymore. So, so, on a tiny level she’s carrying hope in the midst of hurt, and then thru the grand scheme of her life she’s carrying hope in the midst of her hurt.

lynda said...

transcript continued...

I’m really grateful for this story. I’m really grateful that the Bible is full of hurt. You know why? Cuz I would write it off if it was full of bliss, an, an roses, and daisies, an, an, all the things happy, ya know why? Cuz that’s not my life and that’s not your life. No matter where you sit, no matter how great your life is, there’s hurt.
People keep wantin’ to know how I feel. I can tell you a hundred billion things I’m feelin’. I told somebody the other day I feel like I’m on this really, really, really long trip. Like I’m out speaking at a camp somewhere ah…gone fr, from my reality, sa, somehow er, an a, an a, an a, an a, couple days I’ll just come home and everything will be back the way it was.
And my mind goes to that progression and then it gets to the part about coming home and then I realize I don’t have a home. LONG PAUSE…cuz Amanda was my home, PAUSE And it hurts. Sometimes I feel like that …..pause….that’s somebody’s got my, my head , an, an, an, an, they’re just pushing it under water (small stutter on “w”) over an over an over. And I have no breath inside me an it just hurts so deeply I have no, I can’t breathe underwater and yet, and yet, for just a little season, maybe a couple days, maybe a couple hours, I get this breath, li..I feel this hope…that maybe I’m gonna survive this , only enough to catch my breath an go right back down. If you’ve experienced hurt, you know what I’m talking about. I didn’t know that kind of hurt…till now. Times I feel alone. Times I feel afraid. I don’t even know what I’m afraid about. Times I feel jumpy. There are times I begin to feel hopeful. And then I feel guilty for feeling hopeful. It’s impossible, it’s an impossible burden to carry. Which is why I’m really glad that I don’t have to carry it. Really glad that we serve a God that says, “Cast off all your cares on me because I care for you.”
See…see Mary began to understand that this was going to turn into a blessing but she was troubled at heart and pondered things because she didn’t know if she was gonna be able to carry the burden. Cuz oftentimes, you have to go thru the burden before you can realize the blessing.
You see, You see, wh, wh, when we hurt, we feel like we want, got to , God take us outta the hurt. God, remove this from me! Take this away from me. Let me, let me escape this. An God says, “No, (Stutters on I with no separation) I don’t want you to escape it because it wouldn’t do anything for you.” You’d wind up getting’ booby trapped by it later. It’d sneak up on you. You wouldn’t know how to handle it because you wouldna developed the strength that, that is developed when you go thru it. See, see, Isaiah 43 says, “ When we walk thru the fire, not IF, but when we walk thru the fire, we won’t be burned.”

rosy said...

I'm still feeling a vague dread that Amanda died from a gangland targeting. Counter arguments start from DB's apparent lack of fear, which Peter has noted. I'm actually more inclined to crime opportunity (front door left unlocked) followed by a com0plicated case of survivor guilt.

Here goes on the dread:

Amanda was helping to run an assertive church business that "saved" young people "far from God." Amanda focused on saving and converting young women.

Larry Taylor was boyfriend and (I'm inferring) pimp to a young white woman troubled since about grade eight up. Her grandfather, who appears to be a close follower of Jesus, is retired from correctional facility staff in Michigan. The two of them act like lost-soul desperadoes.

Larry Taylor made it look as though he was running a business with this young woman as his money-maker. He may have had other young working women earning for him. Or it may have been a farce.

Larry Taylor was a wild card under the aegis of a stair-step gang of men, some currently in jail, who (to all appearances) make some of their livelihood from sex workers.

Conceivably (just conceivably) Amanda was targeted to punish her for "saving" one or more young women in that trade and/or associated drug activity.

Days before, Larry Taylor had (allegedly) shot one young man in the head and (Nov 3) raped one young woman while holding a gun to her head. These crimes also involved robbery. Perhaps Taylor’s bosses expected him to be capable of rape without murder (as on Nov 3) – and did not foresee a struggle. A message to get out of town.

Hey Jude said...

Bravo, Lynda. :)

Kate said...

Thank you Lynda!

Bobcat said...

Lynda, you are a trooper!!!

ima.grandma said...

Thank you Anon "I"

I appreciate the 'gift of time' given from your day to reach out. Relationships, even within this arena, are important.

Processing recent months' events have inspired and empowered a rededicated, redirected purpose.

I've accepted the privilege and responsibility of nurturing my relationships.

We are social beings and meant to connect.

Hi Sweet Geek. I was amused when you called BJD out the other day. You've got her number!

ima.grandma said...

Bless you Lynda. You are tenacious! You are helping me so much. I want to participate but am unfamiliar with recent cases. I'm also sharing the iPad with my oldest granddaughter (she broke her phone ~ again) so this so convenient to read at one site.

Bobcat said...

Lynda, were there any breaks for music during his Christmas sermon?

lynda said...

Just in listening to him and transcribing...I know it isn't, but it sounds like one big confession to me! It does! It's creepy and eerie how he is paralleling Amanda/pregnancy/murder/ with the story he is telling. kill your baby, killing babies, extremely overwhelming burden of being pregnant, Mary has trolls? All the head dunking under water, not breathing, she watched him die (this made me flashback to he watched her bleed) Is he projecting what HE feels on "Mary"..all the angst and burden, ugh

I know that 3 is the liars number, and his use of three is in context to the story he is telling, but WHY the repetition?

lynda said...

Anonymous Bobcat said...
Lynda, were there any breaks for music during his Christmas sermon?

December 30, 2015 at 7:44 PM

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Not thusfar Bobcat..I'm almost at the 40 minute mark, I am transcribing from tape only..I am not watching video. That would be to much for me to "bear"

Bobcat said...

It sounds like Amanda's nesting instinct bugged him to her end!

And a CHRISTMAS sermon that goes on for 40 minutes without a break, and talks about the gory bloody crucifixion - terrible!!!

Rabbit said...

Lynda,

Thank you so much for taking one for the team! I wish I could send you a box of Godiva chocolates and a bottle of Dom!

I'm just... gobsmacked. How could anyone over the age of 12 even stand to listen to this garbage? Davey's all over the place. It's depressing, disconnected and makes me glad to be an atheist.

Christmas time is difficult for many people - I hope no one in that audience was looking for a message of hope and peace because they sure as hell came to the wrong place.

Is Davey on drugs?

Pioneer Bee said...

Thank you so much Lynda, you saved my screen, hearing him or seeing him wouldn't be safe. Reading his words are agonizing enough, you are a saint to this former catholic now non practicing.

And Anonymous I , I have been smelling fish since the first time I saw him not broken up, or angry or anything but joyful. I have suffered through many deaths of family and friends and everyone grieves differently yes,but even private grief leaves public evidence and grief weighs you down not bolsters your happiness. Davey has not only survived unscathed but has thrived!

And although I am new to SA and not sure on the principles my intuition and deep connection with God gives me the discernment to know Crazy Davey is very involved and as mentioned before hopefully doesn't kill again.

IF someone was asking about Davey being a cross dresser there was at one time a Twitter about him and another friend wearing Amanda's Capri pants or jeans. I don't know if it was a weird prank or a part of his daily life but I do remember reading it possibly on DataLounge which is now on its 5th thread on the subject of Amanda Blackburn's murder.

The execution was just too personal for her husband to not be involved, me thinks he should buy a powerball ticket for the 300 mil

Anonymous said...

I realize you aren't speaking to me Rabbit, but IMO, a resounding Y.E.S., Davey is on drugs. I have said this from day one. I surmised it is cocaine, and said so, but could be wrong about the particular kind of his drug of choice. I still believe that it is cocaine since I've seen a lot of the mannerisms and altered personality traits and the constant babbling of some on cocaine, but then, I'm not experienced personally in any of these drugs and concede that it could be any number of other drugs; but drugs it is, Y.E.S. IMO.

However, I don't believe it to be meth since I've seen a lot of photos and police line ups on so many meth users and one thing that stands out most is the damage meth does to the users facial skin and teeth. They look horrible after just a couple years of meth use. IMO, Davey's skin, features and teeth are in too good shape to be a meth user.

You crack me up being glad to be an atheist. All atheists do. haha.... it takes way more (blind) faith to be an atheist than it does to believe in God. Go figure. ABB

Bobcat said...

ABB "You crack me up being glad to be an atheist. All atheists do. haha.... it takes way more (blind) faith to be an atheist than it does to believe in God. Go figure."

That was insulting. Why do you do that?

lynda said...

Rabbit said...
Lynda,

Thank you so much for taking one for the team! I wish I could send you a box of Godiva chocolates and a bottle of Dom!
___________________________________

Uh...YUM!
.

Is Davey on drugs?
_____________________

There are parts of his sermon that he is speaking so fast that I think some of the stumbling comes from him not being able to keep his mouth up with his brain...it almost gets to the point of being maniacal

Anonymous said...

Bobcat, she does it because she's such a super-awesome, loving, kind and devout Christian, dontcha know ;)

Anonymous said...

Linda, your post @6:36, I was just reading the beginning of your transcription and had to stop right there where Davey is talking about all his hurt. His HURT in life?! Sweet Jesus, the b'stard had it made if anybody ever did!

Only thirty years old and he had a home of his own, a beautiful GOOD wife who doesn't hang out in bars and do dope, a healthy baby, two cars, and a cushy job where he didn't have to hit a lick at a snake, and families on both sides close by.

He makes me wanna puke! Either one of my two sons would have felt like they had it made in life had they accomplished as much as he had at such a young age, particularly having a good woman in their lives who actually worked with them. This rotten POS deserves every rotten thing that ever befalls him. ABB

Anonymous said...

Bobcat, you read me wrong. Please don't do that. I really do find it comical that the atheist would expend so much more energy not believing in God than it takes to just go ahead and accept it than to fight it. And of course, the alternative has it serious consequences in the end, which isn't so funny, but this isn't what I was referring to at the time.

-Sorry you misunderstood me; AND in the process falsely accused me. Guess I just cannot say every damned thing just so-so to please everybody's little fragile senses every minute; and here I was thinking what a grand and delightful, fair minded person you are. My mistake? Maybe I just shouldn't be here at all. ABB.

Amy Smith said...

Davey tweeted earlier today a picture from the Follow 15 Wesleyan youth conference where he's hanging out this week I guess. Yikes.

And this tweet about an hour ago:
Christian, keep the faith, keep up the fight . . . Joy comes in the morning!

Oy.

Bobcat said...

ABB

Sorry I misunderstood you. Let's get back to wishing evil things on DB.

Rabbit said...

No worries - I'm comfortable with my atheism. I do feel sorry for those who went to Davey's service who were looking for comfort though. He's such a... a... I can't even find the word for it.

Bobcat said...

The only setting I can imagine DB's preaching style as "appropriate" would be in a cult. It is so disturbingly far from mainstream - he should be stopped.

Anonymous said...

ABB @911 & 934

Your explanation at 934 of what you said at 911 was even more of an insult than what you originally said. You find it comical that someone else chooses to believe differently than you. Of course you do. You really do enjoy being condescending, don't you? And furthermore, it really takes no energy at all to not believe in God. How would it take more energy to just say XYZ doesn't exist to me, the end? I read these comments, and here and there you are a very nice person, but for the most part, you condescend, you insult, you name call. It takes more of your energy to be rude and nasty than it takes to just be kind. Much the same as it takes more muscles to frown than it does to smile.
Anon212

Rella said...

Bobcat.....

I agree with you on DB'S "preaching" style. When this first happened, I had my hisband listen to the Q&A videos, and after a few minutes, he said "he sounds like a cult leader". This was his opinion only knowing that Amanda had been murdered, and nothing else.

rosy said...

No one so far has commented on or noticed the theological basis for this sermon. It's based on standard Catholic doctrine.

DB quotes the Song Simeon, Luke 2.29-35. On verses 34-35, "This child... is destined ... to be a sign that will be opposed--so that the thoughts of many hearts will be revealed. And a sword will pierce your own soul too," DB comments: "And look, he’s saying this to Mary, 'And a sword will pierce your own soul too.' He said, “Mary, this isn’t going to be easy for you.”

Some may think this is not a Christmas theme, but it is part of what is celebrated in the Octave of the Nativity, or the eighth day of Christmastide, by the Catholic Church, the Anglican Communion and by Lutheran churches.

The image of the sword that will pierce Mary's soul is no secret or overlooked detail. It is the source of Catholic iconography of Our Lady of Sorrows, with seven swords piercing Mary's sorrowful heart. In his sermon, DB runs through these seven sorrows, which by tradition are:

The prophecy of Simeon. (St. Luke 2:34, 35)

The flight into Egypt. (St. Matthew 2:13, 14)

The loss of the Child Jesus in the temple. (St. Luke 2: 43-45)

The meeting of Jesus and Mary on the Way of the Cross.

The Crucifixion.

The taking down of the Body of Jesus from the Cross.

The burial of Jesus.

His repetitions of "three days, three days" (number of days Jesus was lost as a boy) point (as the biblical narrative does) toward the three days Jesus predicts for his entombment (“For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth” (Matthew 12:40).

As to why DB chose to deliver this sermon, I'll leave that open. I don't see it as maniacal, or drug-induced, or garbage but maybe many or most of the congregation were baffled. I don't know. I do think he's appropriating a traditional Christian devotional topic of anguish. According to one expression of this tradition, the Virgin Mary grants graces (The Seven Graces) to those who meditate on her sorrows, a grace for each sorrow. Graces including peace, enlightenment, and consolation.

DB's brand of Christianity doesn't grant divinity to the Virgin, but there is an emerging evangelical view that "sees Mary as a feisty, assertive, and radically Christian woman." "This Mary followed Jesus all the way to the Cross—not just as a mother, but as a disciple, even after his closest followers deserted him." http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2006/december/8.26.html

DB delivered a credo (punctuated by I believe's) drawing some parallels between this evangelical Mary and Amanda. I will have to listen to it again to try to tell whether what he say is coherent.


Bobcat said...

rosy - Thanks for that great info! Interesting - I don't remember learning the Seven Sorrows in Catholic school (I only went for three years).

M said...

I don't know if this has been explained - so if I'm repeating, I apologize.

Marion, Indiana is in Grant County, not Marion County. Indianapolis is in Marion County.

Marion, Indiana is about and hour or so north of Indianapolis off of I-69.

rosy said...

^^ DB quotes the Song of Simeon

to tell whether what he says is coherent

PS: As DB's and Amanda's family have mentioned all along, they take consolation from her middle name, Grace. ON Social media she ID'd herself as AmandaGrace. The seven balancing Mary's seven swords/sorrows probably figure in DB's choice of this theme. The overwhelming impression I felt in listening thought, was a mixture of pain, almost sadistic insistence on sharing pain, and an almost lighthearted intellectual excitement ( I realize almost covers to wide a span here). The excitement of felt to me like intellectual excitement at using tools he had been trained to use, the excitement of getting back to work. For the first time, I got a sense of his potential to develop into a mature adult preacher as distinct from the adolescent skit-monger of his earlier efforts.

This may be a delusion on my part!

rosy said...

Endless corrections, sorry:

The balancing of Mary's seven Swords/Sorrows with her Seven Graces probably figures in DB's choice of this theme. The overwhelming impression I felt in listening, though, was a mixture of pain, almost sadistic insistence on sharing pain, and an almost lighthearted intellectual excitement (I realize almost covers too wide a span here). The excitement felt to me like intellectual excitement at using tools he had been trained to use, the excitement of getting back to work. For the first time, I got a sense of his potential to develop into a mature adult preacher as distinct from the adolescent skit-monger of his earlier efforts. This may be a delusion in my part!

Bobcat said...

rosy - we can always hope for something good to come. If DB skirts involvement in Amanda's death, it's good if he can improve as a preacher.
I will cling to your delusion for the moment - the alternatives are too horrible to imagine!

Boston Lady said...

i love what Amanda's sister wrote and was copied/pasted above. It is a reminder that Amanda was truly what she portrayed to everyone. You can feel the love from her sister and seeing the smiling pictures of Amanda just radiates her warmth and happiness with her life. That's just my opinion, of course. It also makes me so sad that her life was so senselessly taken by an evil murdering scum who has no regard for any life on this earth. Taylor killed this innocent young mother of a 15 month old boy who was also 12 weeks pregnant. That is a purely evil action. It sickens me to think that Amanda's last moments on earth were so ugly.

I hope those that conspired to rob and murder Amanda are justly punished.

Hey Jude said...

It's lovely, I agree, Boston Lady - Amber describes it so well, it was like being there with her, feeling both the love and the absence.

I think Amanda, being such a creative and loving soul, created her own happiness, and worked round Davey - I suspect they had a love-hate relationship and that Amanda was much better at the love than Davey, and they got along for some of the time. I like that he said he had no home without Amanda, because Amanda was his home - that's a lovely tribute - well, as good as it it's likely to get, from Davey - it's still about him. It took him a long time to get there - probably because it's only now beginning to sink in.

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This thread is so long, I'm going to wait/hope for a new one upon which to post my latest rather propeposterous wonderings - I haven't finished them yet, anyway.

Anonymous said...

Thanks rosy!!!

You sure know what you are talking about. The whole sermon confused me.
I am continually amazed at the clarification you give concerning DB's quotes and sermons.
Like you can understand exactly what he is getting at.
(Or at least trying to convey)

I look forward to your posts.
I have no doubt you know what you are talking about.

Anonymous said...

OH something good will come.
#nothingwasted

Hey Jude said...

Lynda - The head dunking under water - it sounds to me like he is trying to describe one of the effects of a sudden bereavement - those indescribable moments of shock, which keep coming out of nowhere, catch you unawares, and take your breath away - quite like what he describes, but not, because it is indescribable. Some people describe it like a winding punch to the stomach. I think that's what he means. Whether it's his own experience, or he's got it from listening to Phil, Robin and Amber, who knows? I still can't get over his non-reaction to how he discovered Amanda, but he could be having a delayed reaction - well, no time for trauma when Good Morning America beckons.

Anonymous said...

I don't know how people can look around and see beautiful sunsets, nature, the incredible development of a human baby, birth, feel the tru emotion of love, just the way everything works in this world as far as nature and Human bodies function and not feel that something of a higher power is capable of creating that. Science isn't that easy to explain it away. No way this stuff just exists because of a big boom. It's too intricate. So while DB keeps preaching quotes from the bible he's missing out on the basic things. Yes Amanda gave her life to Jesus but she was a human person on earth. She should have been allowed to live as a regular person. DB didn't want her straying from his vision of who she should be. He didn't let her be herself. You can still feel god around you and live a normal life. It doesn't have to be Him 24/7. Yet all he posts about her since she died are journal entries about her relationship with God. It's like her relationship with DB and Weston never existed. I can't believe he hasn't posted anything about her that isn't related to the church

Hey Jude said...

Yes, me too, Rosy - I like reading your posts. I did notice he was using those ideas. I thought he was trying too hard with ideas he lacks much familiarity with, covered too much in one sermon so it was still as surface scratching, and that the sermon was far too long. I suppose the people go for the sermon, though, and that's the focus/main attraction. I don't really get a main worship service focussed on a preacher rather than the sacrament - it's like inviting personality cults to form. I expect they would say it's about expounding the Word, but it's so open to abuse - I can't stand it. If I go to church, I try to seek out a quiet Eucharist with no sermon, so no-one can preach at me - I'm rubbish at being at Christian. Lol. :)

lynda said...

rosy...yes, I'm aware of the MEANINg of the three days, no need for a lesson there. My question was is it significant that he kept repeating it? He says it EIGHT TIMES in 2 sentences. In relation to SA...is there a meaning to that?

I also get the underwater analogy. But again, in terms of SA...water mentioned can be about sexual abuse, "cleansing"..he talked to God in the shower.

I don't give flying fig What Davey's interpretation is of the Bible. He correlates his sermon to a Catholic service?? Last time I checked..Davey IS NOT CATHoLiC..nor are the people that choose to go to his non-denominational school church.

As far as mania goes...I didn't say HE was maniacal, I said that at times his speech speeded up to the point where he just became a sputtering mess because he was talking so fast for no reason.

Davey will NEVER make a good preacher. You cannot live a lie and be a preacher that is following The Lord. His heart is corrupt. He is so far from God at this point that he has to have a divine intervention or be brought completely to his knees in the hopes that he turns to God for repentance and forgiveness. I dont see that happening. Davey is trying very hard to make the "Christmas Story" about Amanda..oh, and HIM. All the "Catholic" references just make it more bizarre because I bet NewSpring and PN do not teach Catholicism

rosy said...

Hey Jude said...
at 12:45 AM

One place a cult-like element comes into play, it seems to me, is by way of mystification of virtually everything between the time of Christ and the present moment of purple lighting and lousy guitar music in Resonate Church.

The approach involves preaching on well-known topics as if the lead pastor of this particular church for people "far from God" had newly discovered them. Take a statement like "And she was there when they took his body off … the Cross. I believe she held her son." This is moving. Yet as it stands, the affirmation, "I believe," with its emotional force, seems to privilege DB as a visionary in unmediated contact with the unwritten moment.

In truth, the statement is fraught with background. To unpack this we may recall that the NT does not say Mary held her son. According to the gospels, Joseph of Arimathea took Jesus's body and prepared it for burial. John (19:38–42) adds an assistant, Nicodemus. None of the NT authors mentions Mary. In the middle ages, paintings and passion plays represented the descent from the cross. In about 1325, a German artist carved a wooden image of Mary holding Christ in her lap, as she had held him as a baby. To us today, his five wounds may look like bullet wounds:
https://05varvara.wordpress.com/2012/11/29/virgin-with-the-dead-christ-rottgen-pieta-bonn-germany-circa-1300-25/
Later, Rogier van der Weyden created another new image, Mary's swoon. His painting has been called "the most important painting of the whole period of the entire 15th century."
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Weyden_Deposition.jpg/1100px-Weyden_Deposition.jpg
Then, Michelangelo created his Pietà, conveying both that Mary held her son despite his terrible wounds and how she held him - with 'pity' and 'compassion'.

So when DB says, "I believe she held her son," he may place himself in this tradition of a community of faithful witnesses who "read into" and re-envision the gospels with their own hearts, minds, and imaginations. To belong to this community must be quite marvelous. It’s not my own community, but I respect it.

Implicitly, I feel, DB conceals his debt to this wider community and minimizes affiliation with it. This is part of the tendency toward cult. He privileges some of his insights as special to him, as if to increase his charisma and build his church brand. Other insights, his alone – the excruciating experience of finding his wife shot and dying; genuine memories of their life together – may take a while to find expression.

I agree with Hey Jude about this: “The head dunking under water - it sounds to me like he is trying to describe one of the effects of a sudden bereavement - those indescribable moments of shock, which keep coming out of nowhere, catch you unawares, and take your breath away - quite like what he describes, but not, because it is indescribable. Some people describe it like a winding punch to the stomach.”

Tonight I read this from the father of 23-year-old Mark Cotton, of Marion. Two days after his son was shot dead, he said, “I FEEL LIKE MY SMILES ARE BROKEN.”

Follsfeedonfolly said...

Rabbit 2 8;56 PM

Although I am a Christian, I totally get what you're saying. DB's 'message" was anything but comforting and offered little (if any) hope to anyone going through anything.

Not only was it empty, he actually upstaged the birth of Jesus with his own "event". Once again, it was all about Davey. He rambled nearly incoherently, but those who are avid Davey followers "to the end" likely just admired his "courage" in speaking. Davey's a lot like the Emperor in the The Emperor's New Clothes. His team has been conditioned (or carefully hand-picked and groomed) to believe he's this super-spiritual awesome communicator for God, sent to save Indy. The sad reality is that Davey doesn't even know the scriptures well enough himself to accurately quote them and none of them will have the guts to call him on it (just like the Emperor's courtiers and servants). In the meantime, the rest of us watching this charade can clearly see Davey is a fraud.

Seriously? "Some king in the area was killing kids..."- His name was Herod, the area was Judea and it was specifically because he knew the prophecy was being fulfilled via the Wise Men (who were not Jewish, but from the East-as in Persia-Media). As the ruler in a Roman city-state, answering directly to Caesar Augustus, Herod was fully aware of the prophesied Messiah of the Jews who would come to set the captives free. The Wise Men came from a culture governed by astrology, hence the new and significant star and they tracked it for three years (hence Herod's need to kill all male boys under three years of age). The Jews outnumbered the Romans and an uprising would result in Herod's execution. Apparently, Davey's college didn't teach Ancient History. *sigh*

He also said they took Jesus to Jerusalem when he was little "but we don't know how old he was"- LAME. Jesus was circumcised at eight days and Mary was clear to enter the Temple in Jerusalem for his dedication 33 days later (Leviticus 12:3-4). Baby Jesus was 41 days old.

He says of when Mary lost Jesus for 3 days "They went to town (Mary, Joseph, Jesus and all their family)..."- LAME. They went to Jerusalem for Passover as they did every year and Jesus was 12 yrs old.

He's misquoting and editorializing Mary all over the place, as well. Mary was troubled that the angel appeared and was addressing her. I'd be afraid too if an angel appeared to me (much taller than a human,with an incredible wing span, and are incredibly bright with light). That's not exactly something you see every day (much less in your own home), he knows you by name, and he's relaying a message from God. I'd be 'troubled" too.

For a Communications major, he's definitely not communicating coherently, accurately, or even responsibly. When he's got his game on, he reminds me of an "evangelist" I know who's very good at self-promotion, arranging events (speaking engagements worldwide, media interviews, and publishing books/CDs), and working a crowd.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Davey has a need to portray himself at the center of every "story". For example, God speaking personally to Davey in the shower to explain why Amanda died (she breathed out her last breath so that they [the Church] could breathe her in and live). He proceeds to verbally agonize and share is anguish onstage with his waterboarding imagery (7-8 weeks later in his first "getting real" "talk" with his "family").

Then we have the "conundrum" of this "series of events". First Amanda was John The Baptist or Stephen the Disciple, being martyred for following Jesus. Then she became Jesus laying down her life for the the unlovable and the Church. Next she became Mary, pregnant with a burden turned blessing, with Davey first being the recipient of that burden (then their church members). Talk about "Nothing is Wasted". LOL

My take on the whole Amanda-as-Mary thing (and I'm probably way off): Davey is casting Amanda as Mary-the spiritual mother pregnant and burdened with growing Resonate. He called his congregation his children and Amanda "Highly favored". In her life and death, Davey's hoping she "birthed" more lost souls into his church, his "family" (hence all the promotion surrounding her death "Nothing Is Wasted", "The Best Is Yet To Come"). He's playing off the parallels of her pregnancy and her relationship with God. He's exploiting Amanda yet again, in her death, to further build and solidify his church.

Apparently his congregation has never read that Jesus said "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full." That he's pitching the fact that he left the front door unlocked and his wife and unborn baby died as a result as God ordained this to happen for the church (universal and Resonate specifically) "to live", is an outrage and straight out blasphemy. That Amanda's death directly contradicts that verse should say something. Is there not one person in Phil Byers' church, Resonate, or NewSpring that reads their Bible for themselves? That not one person is openly confronting Davey is unbelievable to me. That he's being allowed to cast Amanda as a martyr for her faith is a slap in the face to every Christian from 33-2015 A.D. who did die as a martyr. It was a "home invasion" and had zero to do with her Christianity whatsoever. There was no renounce Jesus or die confrontational moment, no eternal stand to make. As great as Amanda may have been, she doesn't qualify as a martyr, Jesus, or Mary.

Note that nowhere in this rambling sermon does he, himself, claim a personal relationship with God or claim God as his own God/Savior/Help in trouble/Strength in trouble or weakness/frailty/trial/amid the hurt or loss. Lots of "we" and "our God" sprinkled throughout. As Peter says, distancing language indicating sensitivity. ;)

BB said...

I really wish DB would come on out and say SPECIFICALLY exactly what good is coming from Amanda's murder. What Holy Awesomeness is he alluding to? What exactly are she and Jesus so excited to see when they look down on Indianapolis from Heaven? Say it, DB. We'd like to know EXACTLY why Amanda gleefully laid down her young life. SAY IT.

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