Friday, April 29, 2016

Blackburn on Fox News: "I Had No Idea"

"Had no idea somebody had been in my house" without the pronoun "I" may explain why he stayed out on the driveway as long as he did only on this particular morning. 

Analysis 

Those who felt that the husband of Amanda Blackburn may have helped facilitate her murder and who have doubted his story, will not likely have their opinion changed in his most recent interview.  
Fox News reported that at first he didn’t realize she’d been shot.
"Honestly, I think it was by the grace of God that I had no idea what happened. I honestly thought, she was three months pregnant, so I thought that something had gone horrifically wrong with the pregnancy," 
The use of "honestly" is a call to be believed. Would a truthful person need such a call?  This is to 'call in a reinforcement for what I am about to say I really want to be believed...' which is to show inherent weakness. The cusp of the statement is his claim that having no idea was by the grace of God, yet if he is deceptive, it speaks to Divine intervention, keeping him from knowing, that is not real. 

Does this suggest deception about "not knowing" or about the grace (influence) of God?

 It is a habit of the deceptive who feel a need to emphasize belief in what they are saying, rather than simply saying something that is true.  Here, where he uses it, he wants to be believed.  When it is repeated, it becomes even more sensitive.  
Note the lack of using her name as distancing language. This was a pattern shortly after her murder; something most unexpected from a spouse.  The "husband and wife" relationship is unique.  It is based not simply on biology, but physiology, that is, it includes elements of science that were deliberately designed for this purpose.  It is within this uniqueness that we find the "sharing of one internal dictionary" develop. No other relationships produce this.  As the male relates to the female, he does so from the unique position of male; as the female relates to the male, she does from the unique position of who she is, a female.  Then, in intimacy, there is a joining of the bodies, becoming 'one person', in which they 'know' each other.  This 'knowledge' is deep, often described as mysterious, and has been the topic of poetry, literature and music from earliest recorded history.  When a husband and wife are in a room together, they are at an advantage:  they can communicate without speaking better than any others.  The longer the marriage, the greater the sharing, but note that this sharing is an intimate sharing.  When murder disrupts this, there is a "tearing" or "destruction" that takes place (1) but there is also an element of "invasion" or "intrusiveness" (2) because "someone killed my wife" or "someone killed my husband" which is:

as if the killer got to the survivor's life.  This is what we hear in the language of surviving victims of murder.  The personal and intrusive nature of murdering one half of the "one person" is the expected in language.  It is as if the surviving spouse has been 'murdered', in this sense. (We hear this language in unexpected divorce cases where one has been deceived; lots of deep, personal language of 'theft' or robbery, as if the outsider entered into something and destroyed it, while tainting the innocent victim).

This is what the general population expressed in comments here and in news articles when Blackburn began his media tour.  Commentators were angry, though some struggled to explain why.  Christians, in particular, were offended (some embarrassed) at not simply the unnatural (unexpected) crass commercialization of the murder, but also of the 'empty' language; that which we call "distancing language."

This same 'angry' response was frequent when Baby Lisa's mother spoke publicly.  She went a long way (in language) without mentioning Lisa's name, in any form other than the pronoun "her" or "she."  It 'felt' unnatural because it is.  The mother-child relationship is another such physiological unique relationship that has its own language.

Blackburn angered people at both his lack of intimacy with Amanda, and his clear positive expressions over the publicity.

Another intuitive "statement analysis" done by the public was his constant retreat into using "we" rather than "I", even when alone.  When it came to the murder, and when it came to his relationship with Amanda, "we" was frequently employed, though nothing stood out as with some expression of guilt more than,
"For us, we have nothing to hide." 
Some stated that this was likely a mental illness or psychological disturbance stemming from his narcissism.  I disagree and have, in a previous article, showed why this was not the case.  As to the claim of "we" being "me and jesus", it would appear that this is no longer the case as he now speaks for himself.  
Note that he uses the pronoun "I" consistently, as his pattern, now, something he did not use when speaking of Amanda's murder, early on.  This is a signal of a need to psychologically share guilt.  
That he uses "I had no idea" is something that is difficult to believe since we have ideas about most everything in life.  Yet, when we take this statement ("I had no idea") with the unnecessary need to persuade that it is honest' use of "honestly", it raises a suspicion:  did he know she was shot?  He attributes this "I had no idea" to "the grace of God" and this attribution is only weakly asserted with "I think..."

Consider, for those new to analysis, the difference between two sentences:
"I locked my keys in the car."
"I think I locked my keys in the car."

The weakness is appropriate here, but when compounded, we must take note that the subject may not believe his own words.  
This is a very weak, and distancing assertion of not knowing that Amanda was shot.  Note the victim's name (his wife) is not used in many of his responses about her.  This is not expected.  What he says next may come as a shock to those who have believed his account:  
"When I found her, she was still breathing, and I thought, man this is really bad, but if we can just get her to the hospital she's going to be OK. I had no idea there were bullet wounds.  Had no idea somebody had been in my house. Things didn't look right, something was up, but I think I was just in this cloud of shock."
Begin by noting his reference to time:  "When I found her", which specifies time.  As she is still breathing, there is an intuitive change in pronoun.

Note the connection or closeness between "this is really bad" and the fact that she was "still" breathing.

The only description of finding her, at this point, is that she was "still breathing", which is the only thing he credits as being "really bad" in his quick assessment of the situation.
Given the description of the crime scene, I would think that blood would be the thing that told me how bad this was; not that she was "still" breathing.

This word "still" speaks to the passage of time.

Please take very careful note in what he said about being on the phone that day, remaining on the phone but not going into the house.  He stayed outside for about 40 minutes talking when he could have concluded the conversation inside the house.  This is to describe the passing of time.

When he finds her, she is not "bleeding" but "still" breathing.
"Still" refers to passing of time.
Did he know someone had been in the house?
Passivity 
"there were bullet wounds" avoids saying "Amanda was shot" or bringing this personal to Amanda in any form of language.  It not only avoids using her name, but it avoids all responsibility of the shooters by passive voice.  "Bullet holes" do not get there by themselves.  Please note two things;
1.  Someone must shoot her in order to give her bullet holes
2.  She, herself, would have bullet holes.  Passive voice conceals this in a most subtle way.  "There were bullet holes" is passivity in Statement Analysis which is used to conceal responsibility.  

Note the re-introduction of the pronoun "we" here.  
It is startling to hear someone who relied so heavily upon the pronoun "we" when he was alone, and who later claimed the use of "we" was "me and jesus", to drop a pronoun. 
Yet he has returned to using the pronoun "I" in his statements yet here, while alone, with dying victim, he reverts back to what was cited shortly after the murder:  the inappropriate use of "we" in the pronoun.  
One may argue that he is talking about the rescue.  He does not state rescue.  
Minimization 
"Things didn't look right":  While his wife lay bleeding out on the ground, with a report that her clothing had been moved, or pants pulled down, the language "things didn't look right" does not match the reality.  This is concerning language as it minimizes the crime scene by one who is the spouse; that is, one who should be using up close personal and emotionally charged language.  

"I had no idea there were bullet wounds.  Had no idea somebody had been in my house."  
Dropped Pronoun

Pronouns are dropped when someone does not wish to psychologically commit to a statement.

Having "no idea" lacks credibility, as frequently cited in analysis, but whether or not you combine the two sentences with a semi-colon or keep them separate, when the sentence is spoken, the dropped pronoun becomes evident.  
This is to intuitively remove himself from the knowledge of "somebody" had been in "the" house; no, he uses it as "my house" and not the typically used by married couples, "the" house with the article used. 
This reduction in commitment about robbery via missing pronoun is noted. 
Also note "somebody" and not "the killers" or any form of identification.  "Somebody" is singular. 
"Somebody" is gender neutral.
It is soft language.

"I didn't know Amanda's killers were in the house" is not said. This is after the fact of arrests and police investigation.  
This is the type of language used when either;
the subject does not know the identity of who broke into the house or
the subject is concealing the identity.  
Please note that the suspects have been identified and arrested and are known by the subject at the time of this statement.

He does not say that he had no idea about someone in the house.  If he is unwilling or unable to say it, we will not say it for him.

For someone who has consistently used the pronoun "I" here, this dropped pronoun about someone entering the home is coupled with the fact that this same subject earns a living by his public speaking, tells us that he is not, at all, committing to "not knowing" someone entered his home.

Question:  Did police miss this connection between being on the driveway deliberately staying outside while on the phone, while the victim was "still" breathing?

For some that may have felt that the deception in his statements was limited to being relieved of the burden of being married to Amanda, or related to homosexuality, this particular point is difficult to ignore.

"Had no idea somebody..." is not credible.

He should have been administered a polygraph in spite of the strong alibi of being at the gym.  

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Hey Jude said...

Lynda - he does say 'she was still breathing' in this one, too - you must have missed it. Yes, the dropped pronouns - he knew. he did, he knew, and he just stayed outside for as long as he could.

--
Amy, smiles at the text message Hannah linked - the texter is trying to convince him/herself of the positive impact :

Hannah Boatwright @HannahAnnBoat
A week later, the power & hope of Jesus in @daveyblackburn's story is still impacting lives.
#Nothingiswasted

(text message)
Han
Davey's sermon
I'm thinking about emailing him and thanking him for sharing that
Because it seriously made such an impact on me

Megs @MegsGriff
@HannahAnnBoat we love hearing stories! Email us at hello@resonateindy.com!!


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A bit of a liability, that Meg. :) I don't know if she is on the staff yet. #The Best Is Yet To Come

Amy Smith said...

And Hannah replies:
@MegsGriff Absolutely, will do. Sending lots of love to y'all from NewSpring!

Hey Jude said...

Fm25 - is there any place where Amanda's journal entries are gathered, or is it a case of sifting Davey's social media accounts to find them? I have yet to watch the videos from the station - the Q & A session on the Love Song series was excruciating enough.

Anonymous said...

Nope. I woke up at 1:30. I also said I was up at 1:30. Another way I put it was, "I got up at 1:30." They all mean virtually the same thing but used differently in context of the conversation.

For instance, a co-worker said she woke up at 3:00, so I said I woke up at 1:30.

Later in the day, we were discussing being tired, and I said, "I was up at 1:30, and now I'm feeling it."

Another time during the day, I said, "I got up at 1:30, so I'm coasting on coffee now."

I think you may be focusing a little too heavily on DB's alleged contradiction, especially when other comments from him seem far more incriminating, such as, "she was still breathing."


Hey Jude said...

They all seem a few sandwiches short of a picnic. :)

Anonymous said...

I'm not sure why the FB link is not more of an investigative factor.

Fm25 said...

I scrolled through Twitter but they may be on the justice seekers FB page. There's so much info to sift through it can get frustrating. I often remember something that didn't seem important at the time and then have to dig to find it, but definitely can't listen to those sermons more than once.

Fm25 said...

Come to think of it, he could have drugged the dog too

Hey Jude said...

Anon - i didn't raise it - I wouldn't even say if it was incriminating, just inconsistent.

You have a great memory going on there, for sure.

Concerned said...

Amy Smith at 11:05
Bingo says Nanny Meg is full time at Resonate now.
It looks like she's helping Davey write that blog as the writing is clearer and more organized than in the past.
Still leaking though.
I think Megan was involved in Amanda's demise...to make sure Nothing Is Wasted.

Hey Jude said...

Thanks, Fm - I'll take a look. I recall someone saying Amanda's dad was reading from her journal in one of his sermons, too, but I haven't heard that one yet - he's easier to listen to than Davey, but as none of it is my type of church or theology, it is doing my head in - hard work.

Anonymous said...

Did bobcat make it to Indy? Anyone know if she's visiting Resonate tomorrow?

Anonymous said...

No, I am not Davey Blackburn. I live in Tennessee, I'm 48, an atheist, and my wife is alive and watching TV with me right now.

I haven't even asserted Davey Blackburn isn't involved in the death of his wife so get a grip.

Just because someone calls you out in your BS conclusions doesn't mean that he's the subject of your analysis.

smh said...

Hey Concerned, how does Bingo know Meg works at Resonate fulltime?

Hey Jude said...

Wow, Concerned - how have you arrived at that?

HIGP said...

Is he wearing leggings in the interview Hey jude posted? What is with the Neanderthal beard look? I see he's been tanning. Nice jeans jacket like 5 sizes to small. His manner of speaking is absolutely sickening, and Perry Noble reminds me of a character Billy Bob Thornton would play in a movie like Slingblade. Absolutely nauseating duo...interesting flirtation with Noble drooling over Davey's abs. Noble appears drunk to me...he appears to be slurring his words.

Concerned said...

smh at 12:07
Have to ask Bingo.

Bingo checks things out well. If Meg isn't full-time, she sure is ever-present.

Anonymous said...

Who's leaking....Meg or Davey?

smh said...

Well I'm sure she'll provide proof then, Concerned.

HIGP said...

Fm25,

Re: journal entires, I think there is a high likelihood he controlled her thoughts and I suspect that the final journal entry was dictated by him and she wrote it under duress ( dramatic change in handwriting with heavy left slant not found in any of her other writings). This is probably why he reads them is because many of them were his thoughts dictated to her and put on paper.

Lis said...

Anonymous said...

Ok.......I woke up at 1:30 a.m. At work, I remember conversations with co-workers about this as well as what ungodly hour they were awake. During the course of the day, I said, "I woke up at 1:30", and I also said, "I was awake at 1:30."

I had nothing to hide, but I expressed it both ways.

Why do you think I would do that?


They're both true. I think people are beginning to nitpick inconsequential details.

Davey, if you are reading here how about stop trying to be Mr. Most Super Christian That Ever Lived and just be a human being? Come down to earth. A servant is not greater than his master. In trying to out-Jesus Jesus you are coming off as someone with no appropriate feelings at all.

Concerned said...

Hey Jude at 12:08
I was suspicious that Meg was involved from the start and remain so.
Before she took down her social media info, she spoke of suddenly leaving her special yellow house and friends to come and help Davey. She grieved leaving but she did anyway. She moved in with Amanda and Davey and worked on her Etsy stuff along with Amanda. She spoke of babysitting Weston and, inappropriately, posted pictures of Weston.

Again suddenly, she posted that she was selling her Etsy stock at fire sale prices because she had to move out of the Blackburn house. Back when she was Davey's intern at NewSpring she joked on Twitter about being sent out to buy a bib and a jockstrap for him. (Way inappropriate!) She tweeted that again in the year before she moved to Indy.

I hope I made it clear that this is my opinion. I have no inside info and am making observations based on my own Hinky Meter!
Don't anyone quote me!

As far as the change in Davey's writing skills on the new blog, it could be someone from NewSpring helping. It could be anyone, but I suspect it's Meg who wrote a blog herself for some time. Her writing made sense. Davey's usually doesn't.

Did I cover your question?

Hey Jude said...

Concerned - yes, you covered my question. I remember most of that reasoning now you mention it, from the earlier threads. Ii remember reading her blog and commenting on her seeming wish to be in a master/slave relationship. I agree Meg has a thing for Davey - here an hour ago on Instagram:


megsgriff
FOLLOW
One of the greatest gifts I've ever been given is the friendship of @daveyblackburn and @amandagblackburn. They have walked with me through so many seasons of life always full of wisdom, encouragement, and truth. I wish I could tell you what a blessing it is to follow a Pastor like Davey, but my words would never come close. These past five months have been the most difficult thing I've ever seen any one walk through ... And I've watched as Davey has walked through with grace, authenticity and unbelievable faith. He has trusted Jesus with unfailing faith that has challenged our community, our church and myself to walk closer with Jesus.
So, whether you're in South Carolina or Indiana be at church tomorrow! If you've ever wondered how to make it through the hardest moments of life or your in the midst of your hardest moments ... then don't miss what God has for you at Resonate and NewSpring Church tomorrow!! See you at Resonate at 10:15!! #NothingIsWasted

Concerned said...

Hey Jude,
Meg is following the PN/DB plan and selling Resonate and NewSpring on the back of Amanda.
If grace and authenticity are what she sees from his post-Amanda behavior, she's definitely drunk the Kool-Aid.
However, she has no idea what challenges her little community will face when Davey is finally outed! IMO

Concerned said...

Donae Mitchell has not posted on FB for several weeks, quite unusual for her.
I have nothing to base this on but have high hopes that she's in Witness Protection and spilling her guts to LE.
If that ends up being the case, I would be all over a GoFundMe page for her and her son!
I'm actually praying for exactly this scenario.

I really hope she has not come to a bad end by Alonzo and his Kilt gang.

Anonymous said...

If you read Clara Hinton's blog, you will find that it is common for pedophiles to volunteer in youth activities, churches, and youth organizations so they have easy access. If they have no criminal record and pass a criminal background check, it is nearly impossible to know who is called and who is hunting. I doubt any youth organization is unscathed, it's why I have been teaching my daughter about predator the behaviors. I was molested by a church member. I am going to do my best to educate my daughter without instilling fear. Knowledge of is power. I am sorry that it happened the boy at that church and will pray him and his family. Please everyone read Jimmy Hinton's blog to learn how to discern who might be preying on children and how to empower your children.

John mcgowan said...

(DP) Dropped Pronouns

.............

"Commitment In Language: Intrusion and Violence"

http://statement-analysis.blogspot.co.uk/2015/11/commitment-in-language-intrusion-and.html


DB: Yeah. So, um, it was supposed to be a pretty normal Tuesday; Tuesdays are my long day, and so I, I usually get up really early. So I was up at 4.30 that morning, um, (DP)spent some time with the Lord right there on my living room couch, and (DP)then grabbed my gym bag and (DP)headed out the door. And, um, (DP)always have a conversation with my best friend who planted a church in Doverdale, where the other guy that was at that lunch, and um, so we always talk on Tuesday mornings from about 7 till about 8, and so as I was finishing up my workout I jump on the phone with him, (DP)drive back to the house, (DP)finish up the conversation with him, in the driveway, and I walk in, um, to , to discover my worst nightmare become reality. And um, uh, I found Amanda, um, face down on the, on the floor of our living room, and uh, in a, in a pool of blood – and uh, honestly, I don’t really know how to describe emotions that go through you in that moment, um. Uh, there was a lot of shock and a lot of adrenalin, and um, h-honestly, I didn’t, I didn’t know what had happened, and I think that was kinda the grace of God in that moment"

Cont..

John mcgowan said...

Cont..

PN: You didn’t know she had been shot?

DB: "(DP)Had no idea she had been shot, (DP)had no idea. Some things looked out of place, but she was three months pregnant - and so I think the Lord had been preparing me – honestly, I can’t describe why this is – but the Lord had been preparing me, and us, that we were about to walk through a season of pain, so I had this fear that we were gunna lose the baby, I just did, before any of this happened, I just had this fear that we were gunna lose the baby – and so when I walked in and found her, I thought something had gone horrifically wrong with the pregnancy, ah – she was still breathing, and I was like, okay, if I just, okay, if I just get her to the hospital everything’s going to be okay, we probably just lost the baby right here, but – and so, but I didn’t know there were gunshot wounds, I didn’t know anything about it, and so, we’re just kinda in this blur, and, and, for the next, the next, couple of days, and really the next month was just a cloud or a blur. But I have some very vivid memories, and so, we got her to the hospital, and once we got her to the hospital they came in and they told me what had happened – that there were three gunshot wounds and one was to, to the head, and that they weren’t sure if there was any brain activity going on or not, so they were gonna do some tests. And um, and so, um, the – the thing that I’ll never forget is in those twenty-four hours where we were waiting, um, all of her family, all of my family, we gathered around her hospital bed and we didn’t know what else to do but to worship. Um, my sister-in-law actually just sent me a picture, uh, or a video, a couple videos of that, of us singing songs like ‘It is well’ – um, singing songs like ‘Turn your eyes on Jesus’ – and we just sat around her hospital bed and we just worshipped. I had just preached that Sunday a message on Second Chronicles, Chapter 20, where the Israelities are surrounded by their enemies, and they put the worshippers on the front lines of battle – and, and, the, the, the verse that stuck out to me in that passage as I was preaching was verse 12 that says ‘we don’t know what to do, but our eyes are on you’, and that became the theme for the next twenty-four hours and really the next several days and weeks for us is ‘Lord, we don’t know what to do, but our eyes are on you’ – and in that moment we couldn’t, we couldn’t worry cuz it was completely out of our control, we, we we, the only response that we knew in that moment was to worship.’

Hey Jude said...

Meg 'I wish I could tell you what a blessing it is to follow a Pastor like Davey, but my words would never come close.'

If Meg can't say it, we can't say it for her. What is this 'follow a Pastor like Davey' - not Davey, only one like Davey? That's maybe not as committed as it sounds. Also, Meg is meant to be following Jesus, not Davey, or a Pastor like Davey - unless she means following him on Twitter, the blessing of which doesn't seem that evident, to me.

Interesting, Meg says Davey and Amanda walked with her through many seasons, yet she is only 'watching' Davey as he walks through this 'season' - she is not walking through it herself, while Amanda was meant to be one of her closest friends? And she thinks Davey's faith is 'unbelievable' - I'll second that.

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John - he didn't know there were gunshot wounds - he didn't know anything.

When he says 'I walked in and found her' - can that mean that was not when he first 'found her'? Why is he saying that? - it's obvious he had to walk in.

Hey Jude said...

Davey's 'worst nightmare become reality' - that Amanda was 'still breathing?'

If it was his worst nightmare that Amanda would be murdered in a home invasion, you'd think he would at least have taken care to lock the front door. He couldn't have walked into his worst nightmare become reality - not if he didn't know there were gunshot wounds, and he didn't know anything, He thought something had gone wrong with the pregnancy (is he trying now to say that was his worst nightmare? - because he also says he thought she would be okay, though they had lost the baby). He thought Amanda was on the floor, bleeding from a miscarriage, so he called 911 as soon as he could..so which was the 'nightmare reality' - murder or miscarriage?

Hey Jude said...

Or that Amanda was still breathing?

Hey Jude said...

Concerned - yes, how would they react? I wonder how much they really believe in Davey - the over-enthusiasm - all the 'always', 'really' and hollow sounding adverbs, it grates. I wonder what they think when they are alone. I wonder what they might know, and if they have convinced themselves they don't know. They believe in Davey's 'vision' - he's already had four Resonates (high turnover, three false starts) because people didn't dance to his tune/share his 'vision'.

Hey Jude said...

Anon @ 11.39 - I didn't say you were Davey - you're 'great memory' refers to your post at 11.39 - I doubt I could remember all the details of such an inconsequential conversation.

Nic said...

Peter said:
He should have been administered a polygraph in spite of the strong alibi of being at the gym.



IMO, what's going down is a miscarriage of justice. DB is so full of self-confidence since LE "cleared" him, he's gloating.

Am I wrong in saying that I heard half of the police department in that city was terminated because of corruption? A simple google of the department demonstrates that indeed, there have been on-going problems for years. I find the outcome of this investigation beyond remarkable and convenient. IMO, for LE to have publicly and emphatically state that DB is 100% (paraphrasing) not involved in Amanda's murder immediately out of the gate is 'sensitive'. They are lock-step and firm in their refusal to entertain further examination of DB.

In my opinion, it speaks of collusion.


Peter Hyatt said...

The point of the polygraph is plain:

Statistics alone.

"Mr. Blackburn, we understand that you were at the gym and video surveillance affirms this, so I am sure you won't mind the polygraph to allow us to quickly clear you and move on."

1. Is your name Davey Blackburn?
2. Is today Tuesday?
3. Did you know your house was to be entered on (date)?

...and so on.


As to "on the couch."

She did not state that she slept from this so is technically something that is not precise but should be considered. The location of sleep in a statement is very important. It often points to one being a 'refugee' from turmoil. (not always) Sleep is an essential human need and when someone feels the need to tell us the location of sleep, it becomes very important.

Mostly, it is turmoil, yet we must be open to...

back pain,

sickness...

etc.

In the above case, she gives the location, "on the couch", which is important to her, and that she spent time with the Lord, the hyper-personal view of pop Christianity, yet, one may consider:

she was in need of comfort.



smh said...

Did Davey say he wasn't polygraphed? Or was it LE that said that?

Nic said...

finish up the conversation with him, in the driveway, and I walk in, um, to , to discover my worst nightmare become reality.

Who dreams about their spouse being murdered? Why would he be dreaming of Amanda suffering such a dramatic and horrific end of life?


And um, uh, I found Amanda, um, face down on the, on the floor of our living room, and uh, in a, in a pool of blood – a

change in thought - self-censoring

There is a pool of blood, no doubt huge, from bleeding from a gunshot wound to the head, but he “sees” something else first that he decisively chooses to distance himself from/not to talk about at all.

Aside from the gunshot wounds, Amanda’s underwear were removed. LE would not say she had been raped. So does detecting her husband’s semen mean, to LE, that she was not raped?

Nic said...

^^^ Further to above, DB is talking about how he found Amanda. LE made everyone aware that Amanda's underwear had been removed. So why wouldn't he be outraged that his wife, who was pregnant, had been violated? Until DNA analysis comes back to confirm if there was even semen present at all, why wouldn't he be disgusted by the very notion that his pregnant wife had been raped?

Two reasons come to my mind, 1) she wasn't, she was made to look like she was, or 2) if there was semen present he knew whose it was and it was his place as her husband to be "there", welcomed or not as per his non-stop harping re "submit".

jmo

Me2l said...

Who? I thought it was DB on the couch.

I'm probably being clueless.

Nic said...

If semen was present, and if DNA says it was Davey's, I wonder if LE would have analyzed the gusset of Amanda's underwear to determine if semen was present, there, as well before clearing him "100%".

New day, new underwear. Semen in the gusset would speak to consensual sex.

John mcgowan said...

Nic said.

"New day, new underwear. Semen in the gusset would speak to consensual sex."

Hi, Nic

The presence of "semen in the gusset" is not always necessarily through "consensual sex.". If that is what you're alluding to?

It has been known in some cases of sexual assaults that the person (unknown or otherwise) has masturbated while the victim is incapacitated. Leaving "semen" on the underwear of the victim. Not all sexual assaults are penetrative.

Anonymous said...

I'm confused, too, Me21. I don't know where the stuff about Amanda talking about the couch came from.

Nic said...

John said:
The presence of "semen in the gusset" is not always necessarily through "consensual sex.". If that is what you're alluding to?


Hi John,

Not entirely. Semen in the gusset would say that they had sex either the night before or before he left that morning. (Law of gravity.) In other words, before she got dressed for the day.

No semen in the gusset would put DB at the scene of the crime/in the moment/ introduce reasonable doubt as to DB's story/alibi that Tuesday morning.

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Nic said...

Re masturbating:

You're right about that. There would not be Amanda's DNA mixed in with the semen, either, because if what was found was from their coupling, both DNA would be present in the fluid.

It all boils down to where they would have recovered/swabbed the semen/DNA sample from is what I'm talking about.

Nic said...

The uterus is a self-cleaning oven. Amanda's DNA would be intermingled with whatever it was her body was ridding itself of.

John mcgowan said...

Hi, Nic

Indeed. That still doesn't, however, mean sex was consensual. If accounts are true, Amanda's underwear was pulled down (i don't remember the exact quote). There is little, if not much/any information regarding that alleged event. Yes, as you say if "DNA" was detected / found, that is, if, there was any "consensual" sex (yet to be determined) would add to the ambiguity of her clothes (underwear) being adjusted ( my words) pulled down.

Given that he said in one of his "speech's , (he demanded sex before dinner) again my words, and again i don't recall the exact language, used. It is not to say, that it wasn't him whom sexually assaulted Amanda, if at all.

John mcgowan said...

*And if it was consensual

Nic said...

I agree, John. Sex between the two of them was "dutiful". She basically had to barter/prostitute her body so that he would grant her the common decency of a conversation.

jmo

Fm25 said...

I'm sorry, I think I was unclear in my original post. The quote about the couch was from davey in the pn interview which is posted on newspring' site. It was in context of what he did when he woke up that morning, and because he used the words "right there on the living room couch" i was speculating that he may have spent the night there.

Fm25 said...

I believe I created some confusion in my post of 4/30 at 11:12 pm. The quote about the couch was from davey and I had speculated that he may have spent the night on it.

Nic said...

It is not to say, that it wasn't him whom sexually assaulted Amanda, if at all.

I agree. We don't know if there was any DNA recovered from inside Amanda or on Amanda or if there was any DNA at all. That's why I use the conditional, "if". LE hasn't released any information about that except to say that LE has been unequivocally said DB wasn't involved.

The reason why I'm curious is because hypothetically, if there was DNA, but it was determined to be DB's did LE take it to be "expected" so they crossed him off their suspect list? Or, there was no DNA at all? And if there was DB's DNA swabbed from Amanda's vagina, and there was no DNA present on the gusset, then why not?

It's the chicken/egg thing and speaks to most likely to who removed her underwear/was the last one "there".

Per my analysis above, DB is withholding information about what he saw first (change in thought). Aside from Amanda lying facedown in a pool of blood, her top had been pulled up and her underwear removed. Why wouldn't he address this *at all*. Why not say she was raped? It certainly would be the first thing I thought happened to her of I "walked into" that crime scene.

jmo

Anonymous said...

And herein lies the problem with endless fantastical speculation and why you'll not see Peter responding to them. Except in posts with comments redirecting people back to the Principles.

Nic said...

Sorry for the bad grammar. Many thoughts being inserted as I go along.

I hope Taylor's defence lawyer goes for the glory and rips DB's credibility/alibi apart on the witness stand.

jmo

Nic said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
And herein lies the problem with endless fantastical speculation and why you'll not see Peter responding to them. Except in posts with comments redirecting people back to the Principles.


It is SA principle that instigated my speculation in the first place.

John mcgowan said...

Anonymous said...

"And herein lies the problem with endless fantastical speculation and why you'll not see Peter responding to them. Except in posts with comments redirecting people back to the Principles."

Would you care to elaborate.

Please note, mine and other commentators, qualifiers.

Ps

Myself, and "maybe" others will converse with you seriously if you didn't hide behind your "passive" identity.

Pps.

Echos, Nics reply.

Fm25 said...

I think there are some regular posters here who are in training with Peter truly trying to learn the art of statement analysis and of course that's what this site is for. Unfortunately for lack of another forum there are a lot of posters with minimal knowledge of s/a (myself included). Most of us I think are learning from Peter but not in any position to apply the principles as we have seen a very small slice of a very broad and specialized field. I think the subject is fascinating and appreciate Peter redirecting us back to the principles when we seem to be getting ahead of ourselves. Speculation and throwing ideas back and forth can be useful and can bring attention to details that some may have forgotten. That is often how cases end up being solved. Anon at 12:37, where do you fall into this? Are you studying statement analysis?

HIGP said...

Peter and everyone,

Remember the Celis case? The father slept on the couch the night his daughter was allegedly "kidnapped"?
I believe in Davey's case, Amanda had already been brutally attacked by early morning 1-2 am...look at Davey's own words...something went "horrifically wrong"....he then went to couch to "spend time with the Lord and ask the Lord what should he do because she was still alive? "Spending time with Lord"=He was thinking about how to get his hands on a gun not registered to himself

Fm25 said...

Here is the quote regarding the couch as transcribed by John McGowan above:
DB: Yeah. So, um, it was supposed to be a pretty normal Tuesday; Tuesdays are my long day, and so I, I usually get up really early. ****So I was up at 4.30 that morning, um, (DP)spent some time with the Lord right there on my living room couch, ***^ and (DP)then grabbed my gym bag and (DP)headed out the door. And, um, (DP)always have a conversation with my best friend who planted a church in Doverdale, where the other guy that was at that lunch, and um, so we always talk on Tuesday mornings from about 7 till about 8, and so as I was finishing up my workout I jump on the phone with him, (DP)drive back to the house, (

HIGP said...

"grabbed my gym bag" could equal "grabbed the bag with his laptop and books

Me2l said...

I am the anonymous one, logged in now.

I'm not sure where I gave the impression I thought you implied I was Davey.

Proper interpretation of comments would seem to be vital when analyzing statements to determine guilt or innocence; therefore, my examples to you.

You're analyzing time and language used to describe it in a very strong manner, and yet, you "can't remember"? If you're going to analyze, a memory of details would be nice.

Hey Jude said...

Doing Dignity - Resonate Style (video)

https://t.co/Lf1vKITBqI

Nic said...

face down on the, on the floor of our living room

I have read this over and over again. Why is location so important here? "of our living room" is extra wording making "on the floor" sensitive. Am I correct?

In the Affidavit of Probable Cause there was a lot of activity around the staircase; but, that doesn't necessarily mean that that's where she was shot.

Was he surprised to see her on the floor in the living room?

I wonder.

Anonymous said...

".....and so as I was finishing up my workout I jump on the phone with him, drive back to the house"

And so = need to explain

Was finishing up = past tense
Jump, drive = present tense.
(A change in tense signals a change in reality.)

, drive back = Pronoun dropped.

SA aside, why DID Davey grab his gym bag? What was in it? If the above statement is to be believed, he began talking to KW while he still working out. (Who does that? Why didn't he wait until he had finished?)

Can any gym goers comment on what constitutes "finishing up a workout?" And is it likely that you would commence a (regularly scheduled, HOUR long!) conversation BEFORE you had "finished up" and before showering?

I'd love to know what CD normally did on Tuesday mornings, regarding the gym and his weekly convos with KW.

PS I will always believe that he sat in his car in the driveway WAITING for his neighbor (the ONLY other person in the cul de sac to be robbed) to come home, before he went inside. As planned. The timing of the 911 calls is beyond coincidental.

Anonymous said...

Nic,

Perhaps he was surprised to see Amanda in the living room. (how sadly, ironic, dying in the living room)

Remember him describing her movements the morning before she murdered?

Her usual place at 7:30 in the am, according to him,was "propped up in bed". Remember how he searched for her and finally discovered her kneeling and bowing beside the bed? He seemed surprised to find her there.

He probably told the murderous thugs where they would find her. Upstairs in or on the bed. And he expected to walk in and discover her in"the condition she was in" upstairs, rather than the living room.

HIGP said...

I thought she was found on the stairs?

HIGP said...

".....and so as I was finishing up my workout I jump on the phone with him, drive back to the house"

Has anyone noticed that the whole "grabbed gym bag blah blah, went to gym, jumped on phone while finishing up workout, drive BACK to house"
has signs of BEING FABRICATED.
It is in present tense, and details like "grab gym bag, finishing workout JUMP ON PHONE, drive BACK to house" are indicative of fabrication
I dont believe he ever went to gym that AM

"propped up in bed" may indicate she was (nearly) lifeless and he moved her "propping" her up at some point.

"face down on living room floor"
specificity of her position/location= HE PUT HER THERE

flightfulbird said...

Anonymous at 9:07pm wrote
"Can any gym goers comment on what constitutes "finishing up a workout?" And is it likely that you would commence a (regularly scheduled, HOUR long!) conversation BEFORE you had "finished up" and before showering?"

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Anyone who is seriously weight training (as Davey is - or at least he seems to be putting in a decent amount of time in the gym) *would not* be talking on the phone while they were weight training - even at the end of it aka "finishing up a workout". I don't even take a phone into the gym. My focus there is strictly on training, whether it's lifting or cardio intervals. Talking on the phone and giving 100% to training is not possible for me and I dare say for most athletes who are serious and not just going through the motions.

When I run outside (leaving from home) - once I get back to our driveway (the finish line) and go inside, I stretch/cool down and write down my splits / times from my stopwatch before I do ANYTHING else. Until my times are written down, it's like I'm not finished. Whatever phone calls I'm planning to make are after I'm completely finished training. If I know I have to make a phone call at a certain time, I will either time it so I'm finished training and done with everything else before it - or else wait to train until afterward.

There are times that I will stay in my training clothes (maybe put on a dry shirt though) if I'm going to do yard work in the back - but there's no way I would want to sit in the car or in the house for close to an hour, all scummy and soaked from training, for a phone call or anything else.

The phone call to Kenneth Wagner was part of Davey's alibi. This was supposed to be a "regularly scheduled, weekly thing" so that makes the tweeting about it only on that day SO obvious. Another poster took the time to go back and look at how often Davey and Kenneth tweeted back and forth and found that it was very uncommon - so why on this day, at this time, would Kenneth tweet that he LOVES his weekly conversations with Davey?

The phone call with Davey being on the phone from the time he left the gym until he arrived home and then stating he was finishing the call on the driveway for all that time instead of going straight into the house - it's just too conveniently timed - and as Anonymous at 9:07pm also said, the timing of the 911 calls is BEYOND coincidental.

He was waiting on the driveway. Waiting for the neighbor to get home and call 911. I would still like to know who of those in the neighborhood knew that certain neighbor was going to be away on that specific date - neighborhood watch might have been informed of this?

flightfulbird said...

In the last thread, anonymous on April 30 at 9:43pm said that the 911 call might be being withheld to protect the responding agencies and the dispatcher because "they had a victim of a violent crime, and sent a fire truck." I posted back that the reason they sent a fire truck and not the ones (IMPD) who could investigate this violent crime was because the individual (obviously Davey) who made the 911 call gave no indication whatsoever to the 911 dispatcher that there was a need for anything EXCEPT for medical support.

His language in the NewSpring videos is extremely disturbing - as so many posters upthread have noted - "still breathing" indicates that he wasn't expecting her to be. Why didn't he say he found her really hurt, critically injured, assaulted - why that choice of words - "still breathing" - even if it wasn't combined with "this is really bad"?

Someone upthread challenged some of us posters, in essence criticizing us of picking apart language and saying "I would've said it this way" or "he should've said it that way" - but that is the core principle of Statement Analysis - determining exactly WHY subjects choose certain words, pronouns, tenses and in which order they choose to use them. All we are doing is trying to sort out why Davey chose the words he has chosen in all of his interviews, appearances, and blog posts.

Even if he wasn't stammering and stuttering (and then changing the subject) in every single statement that has to do with finding Amanda, the events of that morning, why anyone would want to hurt her, what he would say to anyone who might've done this - his choice of words reveals a great deal. Combine it with his "deer in the headlights" look, especially in the live interviews where he didn't know what was coming down the pike next, and anyone who is looking for the truth would think there's more to the story.

And the gym - the gym - the gym - one hundred times we've heard he was at the gym. In written statements, in interviews, on Instagram, on blog posts, on stage - over and over and over and over and over. I'm surprised it wasn't worked into Amanda's obituary, seriously. "Grabbed his gym bag" and headed out "for a workout" - as if he would grab a gym bag for any other reason. I would love to know what he was wearing when he got to the gym and what he was wearing when he left - and what he was doing when he was shown on camera at the gym.

Davey was so specific that he returned home TO SHOWER - I wonder if he was cleaned up / freshly showered when Engine 12 and IMPD arrived? He said he called 911 as soon as he could - nobody would expect that he would do otherwise - of course anyone would think he would call 911 as soon as he walked into the situation- so why does he need to stress that point? And his continually saying that he had no idea there were gunshots, that it was related to her pregnancy, is flat-out attempting to appear innocent and dumfounded and "in a cloud".

It ALL shows signs of being fabricated, orchestrated, a setup, that he knew this was going to happen. The timing - the words - switching tenses - stuttering and stammering and looking around - dropping pronouns/not owning his actions - the blog posts and things he said at NewSpring that appear to be directly in response to things we've posted here. After reading so many thoughtful posts on this thread, I have swung from thinking Davey just set the whole thing up to now thinking that he actually had a hand in it. The injuries seem too personal to have been inflicted by a random robber/burglar who didn't know Amanda.

flightfulbird said...

And yeah Nic at 12:41pm, the defense attorneys for those who are being held *should* have a veritable FIELD DAY with all of these conflicting statements, blog posts, and interviews over the past (almost) six months. In creating a case that will defend "these guys", at the same time they will be creating a case and giving ammunition and evidence to prosecute Davey for his precious wife's assault and murder.

I keep going back to the fact that this clearly wasn't IMPD's first rodeo. It wasn't their first look at a crime scene, it wasn't the first time they were confronted with someone who wasn't grieving in the expected way, it wasn't their first time seeing a lot of things connected with this case. If so many people across the world can see that things don't add up - all of the coincidences - it's so obvious that nobody is this lucky - certainly IMPD and the FBI could see it. They HAVE to be just biding their time, building a case, making sure there is enough evidence to make the charges stick and make a jury know beyond a doubt that Davey was either the mastermind or executed her himself.

The more he talks and writes, the more ammunition they will have. . . he is boxing himself into a corner. The NewSpring interviews will be HUGE - all in due time.

flightfulbird said...

From DataLounge three hours ago - to put it bluntly -

"If the police are really stupid enough to believe that Davey had nothing to do with Amanda's murder, then I have lost all hope for humanity.

I mean, just a cursory glance at Davey's actions on the day of her death PROVES that he knew it was coming and not only allowed it to happen, but ensured that it succeeded. How f----- stupid do you have to be to not see that?!?!?

Don't answer that, Fatsy Nanny -- we all know YOUR involvement with Davey goes well beyond just being Weston's occasional babysitter, so you have nothing even remotely valuable to say here, you stupid c---.

—Anonymous
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I like the whole second paragraph and especially the "ensured that it succeeded" part. And I think it's entirely possible - more likely totally probable - that Davey and Meg are reading and either posting responses anonymously or/and addressing it in their blog posts.

lynda said...

John, I don't know why I never noticed the sheer volume of DP until you highlighted them! Good Job, very helpful.

Nic said,
"Who dreams about their spouse being murdered? Why would he be dreaming of Amanda suffering such a dramatic and horrific end of life?"



Well, Davey did dream that Amanda was divorcing him, can't get a more "final" divorce than death. Davey also said that he kind of dreamed or knew, that the Lord had been
"preparing" him for this. You know, preparing him for the slaughter of his wife and unborn child that happened at the "perfect time" so as not to disturb Amanda's sons psyche.

Amy Smith said...

Where is Mel, sweet Mel? She loved Amanda. She was loyal to Amanda. Did Davey give her away?

Anonymous said...

Maybe Mel doesn't get on with Lola, Ashley Barrett's dog.

Where was Mel onthe morning of Amanda's murder? We know from Amanda's Instagram that Mel was like her shadow. She would have stayed with Amanda if she could, and should have had Amanda's blood on her. The police said she greeted them. They did not mention bloody paw prints etc. Did Davey let her out after he called 911? If so, why?

Anonymous said...

The neighbor named Amanda was taking care of Mel after Amanda Blackburn's murder. I haven't seen anything about Mel since this article:

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2015/11/23/amanda-blackburns-neigbors-relieved-arrests/76261264/

HIGP said...

Did Davey dream she would be murdered?

OJ told someone that he dreamed that he murdered Nicole and the judge allowed it as evidence against him!

Most people don't realize that what we call "telegraphing" future crimes: mentioning what "could" happen or "might" happen or dreaming of it CAN BE USED AS EVIDENCE IN COURT and most police and prosecutors do not realize this when building cases.

Anonymous said...



CD has said on quite a few occasions that he knew God was preparing him for a "season of pain" and that he had a feeling that they would "lose" the baby.

Anonymous said...

Oh and CD also said that Levi Lusko's story prepared his heart leading up to Amanda's murder.

lynda said...

HIGP said,

"Most people don't realize that what we call "telegraphing" future crimes: mentioning what "could" happen or "might" happen or dreaming of it CAN BE USED AS EVIDENCE IN COURT and most police and prosecutors do not realize this when building cases"



You're going to have to cite that HIGP. If that were true, every person that has been dumped or divorced and something happened to their SO later would be hauled into court! lol

flightfulbird said...

Bobcat's blog has a whole post about this (the Lord using the Levi Lusko video "to, um, prepare my heart, um, LEADING UP TO (!) Amanda's death" - link here -

http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/04/12715-through-eyes-of-lion-sermon.html?m=0

Anonymous said...

I wonder if DB did a load of laundry that morning, to wash away evidence on whatever clothes he was wearing.

Bingo3 said...

Just speculating here about the actual thug involvement. You can look at Bull's old pictures and see that Jalen Watson and Diano Gordon were close friends and that the three grew up together. Larry Taylor was new to the group and not part of Kilt. Do any of you guys think maybe he was set up to take the fall for the murder if they were caught? The three people who are tattling on LT are Bull, Gordon and Watson (possibly Donae). They are the ones saying he watched her bleed to death. As far as I have read, Larry Taylor has not confessed to the killing and has not pleaded guilty although we all know he is guilty of something terrible. Also, nothing about the actual robbery makes any sense. We have had a rash of robberies in the suburbs where I live and the thugs are in and out of the houses and back to the hood in no time. Many have been caught and arrested, thank goodnes. I have never heard of robbers sitting in a house, drinking and relaxing for over an hour. Someone(DB) informed them what time the lady would return that morning. They knew she wouldn't be back anytime soon and they knew Davey was going to the gym and leaving the door open for them. I have thought like you Flightful is was purely hired hit from the beginning but with his sketchy, SA analyzed, deceptive statements of that morning, that he may have done something to her first. Upon returning from his workout, He waited in the driveway to make sure she didn't make it and knew when the neighbor would be getting home. He called 911 a few minutes after her. Some many convenient coincidences.

Hey Jude said...

DB: Had no idea she had been shot, had no idea. Some things looked out of place, but she was three months pregnant - and so I think the Lord had been preparing me – honestly, I can’t describe why this is – but the Lord had been preparing me, and us, that we were about to walk through a season of pain, so I had this fear that we were gunna lose the baby, I just did, before any of this happened, I just had this fear that we were gunna lose the baby

What does he mean by 'preparing me, and US, that we were about to walk through a season of pain' ? Amanda did not 'walk through a SEASON of pain' - the story is that Amanda was hit in the mouth and shot three times while Davey was at the gym - after which time she remained unconscious until she died. That was not Amanda's 'a season of pain', those were the final two days of it.

I think Amanda was aware of Davey's plans for her, and was very afraid of him by the time she was killed - she knew she was the 'sacrifice' Davey intended to grow his church - she was only able to 'walk through a season of pain' while she was alive. Levi Lusko's video on the 'romantic getaway' was just part of his gas lighting. I think the night of November 10th was long, bringing the close to Amanda's 'season of pain' - Davey's 'season of pain', for which he had prepared, was not one of suffering it, rather one of inflicting it upon Amanda, in the weeks, and possibly months, leading up to her death.

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Does anyone know where Davey speaks about not being able to imagine the last forty-five minutes of Amanda's life - is it later in that evening interview? I don't want to listen again.


Bingo3 said...

Just saw this on the transcripts from the Newspring Interview. Here is the alibi for the life insurance. Who could see that one coming? And I have a hard time believing Amanda would bring up if anything should happen to me, keep the church going. You just don't think that way at age 28. He is a big, fat liar.

DB: Yeah so we were going through, uh right before Weston was born we were going through Dave Ramsey’s Legacy Journey, um if you’ve ever heard of Dave Ramsey I’m a huge Dave fan what Dave says I do, ‘cuz, he’s just brilliant, and so, we, he, he tells you you need to have conversations, right, you know, get your will together, life insurance together, all that kind of stuff and so it prompted, Amanda and I went for a walk, right before Weston was born and we started having conversations about, ‘kay what were, what would we do if, something were to happen to both of us? What would we do if, if, you know if it was, if something happened to you what would you want me to do and, and vice versa. And this is what she said. She said “Davey, if something were to ever happen to me I would want you to spend the rest of your life building this church and reaching this city.”

Peter Hyatt said...

DB: Yeah so we were going through, uh right before Weston was born we were going through Dave Ramsey’s Legacy Journey, um if you’ve ever heard of Dave Ramsey I’m a huge Dave fan what Dave says I do, ‘cuz, he’s just brilliant, and so, we, he, he tells you you need to have conversations, right, you know, get your will together, life insurance together, all that kind of stuff and so it prompted, Amanda and I went for a walk, right before Weston was born and we started having conversations about, ‘kay what were, what would we do if, something were to happen to both of us? What would we do if, if, you know if it was, if something happened to you what would you want me to do and, and vice versa. And this is what she said. She said “Davey, if something were to ever happen to me I would want you to spend the rest of your life building this church and reaching this city.

Herein lies the need to explain why he had life insurance on her (if he does) by the "reason" being Dave Ramsey. This is a subtle shift of responsibility.

Again, he should have been polygraphed and

I hope police are aware of any life insurance policy, and if so, the life insurance company will have an investigator assigned. These are professional investigators who sometimes have higher levels of training simply because their duties are only investigations where as law enforcement has lots of other trainings and other responsibilities. Insurance companies seek to draw away talent from law enforcement with 20-25% higher salaries.

Peter

Anonymous said...

So, maybe that's the reason the 911 call has not been released. An insurance investigation? Gosh, I hope so! I really hate that AB's parents are not insisting on a more thorough investigation into their daughter's death.

MsDp

flightfulbird said...

- Transcript - continued from last post -

PN: So, so, walk, walk us through, um - everything was going great and then that Tuesday morning in November happens. Walk us through that day, what happened and, what went on, and, how did you discover everything that was –

DB: Yeah. So, um, it was supposed to be a pretty normal Tuesday; Tuesdays are my long day, and so I, I usually get up really early. So I was up at 4.30 that morning, um, spent some time with the Lord right there on my living room couch, and then grabbed my gym bag and headed out the door. And, um, always have a conversation with my best friend who planted a church in Doverdale, where the other guy that was at that lunch, and um, so we always talk on Tuesday mornings from about 7 till about 8, and so as I was finishing up my workout I jump on the phone with him, drive back to the house, finish up the conversation with him, in the driveway, and I walk in, um, to , to discover my worst nightmare become reality. And um, uh, I found Amanda, um, face down on the, on the floor of our living room, and uh, in a, in a pool of blood – and uh, honestly, I don’t really know how to describe emotions that go through you in that moment, um. Uh, there was a lot of shock and a lot of adrenalin, and um, h-honestly, I didn’t, I didn’t know what had happened, and I think that was kinda the grace of God in that moment

PN: You didn’t know she had been shot

DB: Had no idea she had been shot, had no idea. Some things looked out of place, but she was three months pregnant - and so I think the Lord had been preparing me – honestly, I can’t describe why this is – but the Lord had been preparing me, and us, that we were about to walk through a season of pain, so I had this fear that we were gunna lose the baby, I just did, before any of this happened, I just had this fear that we were gunna lose the baby – and so when I walked in and found her, I thought something had gone horrifically wrong with the pregnancy, ah – she was still breathing, and I was like, okay, if I just, okay, if I just get her to the hospital everything’s going to be okay, we probably just lost the baby right here, but – and so, but I didn’t know there were gunshot wounds, I didn’t know anything about it, and so, we’re just kinda in this blur, and, and, for the next, the next, couple of days, and really the next month was just a cloud or a blur. But I have some very vivid memories, and so, we got her to the hospital, and once we got her to the hospital they came in and they told me what had happened – that there were three gunshot wounds and one was to, to the head, and that they weren’t sure if there was any brain activity going on or not, so they were gonna do some tests. And um, and so, um, the – the thing that I’ll never forget is in those twenty-four hours where we were waiting, um, all of her family, all of my family, we gathered around her hospital bed and we didn’t know what else to do but to worship. Um, my sister-in-law actually just sent me a picture, uh, or a video, a couple videos of that, of us singing songs like ‘It is well’ – um, singing songs like ‘Turn your eyes on Jesus’ – and we just sat around her hospital bed and we just worshipped. I had just preached that Sunday a message on Second Chronicles, Chapter 20, where the Israelities are surrounded by their enemies, and they put the worshippers on the front lines of battle – and, and, the, the, the verse that stuck out to me in that passage as I was preaching was verse 12 that says ‘we don’t know what to do, but our eyes are on you’, and that became the theme for the next twenty-four hours and really the next several days and weeks for us is ‘Lord, we don’t know what to do, but our eyes are on you’ – and in that moment we couldn’t, we couldn’t worry cuz it was completely out of our control, we, we we, the only response that we knew in that moment was to worship.’

- continued next post -

flightfulbird said...

- continued transcript -

PN: So you chose worship, over worry.

DB: Right.

PN: Cuz you have to choose to do that.

DB: You have to choose to do that. And um, and it, it really boiled down to, to this, we, worrying wasn’t going to do anything for us. Um, worship is that moment, and it’s that Garden of Gethsemane moment. This is why that was so powerful for me in Israel is in the Garden of Gethsemane, Jesus, as He’s about to go to the cross, he, he goes, if there’s any other way, if if there’s any other way that this cup can pass from me, if I don’t have to drink from this cup of suffering, if there’s any other way to advance your kingdom can we do that, please, but, not my will, your will be done.
And I, in in that moment at her hospital bed that was our family’s prayer was, if there’s any, if there’s any other way, if you can perform a miracle, if you can just, man, man, and this, this is what, I prayed with the doctors, I was like Lord, you’re going to perform a miracle, you’re gonna bring her,’ if you’re gonna’ bring her back right now and this whole hospital is gonna’ like experience revival, and and, what I discovered over the next 24 hours after they pronounced her dead is that god performed a miracle on the other side of eternity for her. He, he healed her, but he did it that way so, so that, I believe, not, not just a hospital could experience revival so an entire nation and world could experience revival.

And so we’re, we’re we’re sitting in those moments just going, lord you give and you take away, and, and blessed be your name. And, and we’ll glorify you in the good times and and in the hard times.

24:00 PN: Well the thing, one of the things that got me ‘tho Davey is, I was having a conversation, and I, from my vantage point the, you know the first text I got from, from you was, you know, pray for us, pray for Amanda, uh, she’s fallen, um, we don’t know what’s wrong. And then I come out of a meeting, uh, an hour and a half two hours later and it’s like Amanda got shot and I was like no no no Amanda fell–

DB: Yeah

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flightfulbird said...

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PN: — no no no, and so automatically I’m, I’m, within the next day I’m like oh my gosh, Davey’s probably, I literally said this, is like Davey’s probably gonna’ move to North Carolina to be wi–, you know, closer to his parents, or he might move to Greenville, and I remember talking to you, and I didn’t even bring it up and you said, um, you said “I’m here. I’m in Indianapolis.” But there’s a reason, and it, at, at one time you thought it was a preparation conversation, [DB: Yeah,] but it looks, it’s more prophetic now [DB: yeah] than anything else. [DB: Yeah] Talk to us about that.

DB: Yeah so we were going through, uh right before Weston was born we were going through Dave Ramsey’s Legacy Journey, um if you’ve ever heard of Dave Ramsey I’m a huge Dave fan what Dave says I do, ‘cuz, he’s just brilliant, and so, we, he, he tells you you need to have conversations, right, you know, get your will together, life insurance together, all that kind of stuff and so it prompted, Amanda and I went for a walk, right before Weston was born and we started having conversations about, ‘kay what were, what would we do if, something were to happen to both of us? What would we do if, if, you know if it was, if something happened to you what would you want me to do and, and vice versa. And this is what she said. She said “Davey, if something were to ever happen to me I would want you to spend the rest of your life building this church and reaching this city.”

And in that moment you don’t feel like, you’re like I don’t, like why do I need to have these kinds of conversations but I am so glad right now that we had that conversation because about a week after she was killed I’m sitting here going, my, god called us here, I mean when you’re a married couple you’re one, and so I felt like half of my calling was gone and, and so now I’m, I’m wrestling with like what am I supposed to do, supposed to do and I remember that conversation and it was just this peace I said no, we’re, we’re supposed to continue to build this thing and reach people for Jesus.

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flightfulbird said...

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28:10 PN: So we were in the Garden Tomb this week and uh we were talking about the resurrection is the reason that we have hope [DB: Yeah] and so you’re looking at what, I mean, what happened to Amanda was um, was, was brutal, it was awful, but you shared a perspective on how the resurrection changes what happened to her. [DB: Right, right] Talk to us about that.

DB: Yeah, what, what I said and what I’ve really co-, come to realize is that um, whatever happened to Amanda —, and I can, man I can drive myself crazy thinking about the last 45 minutes of her life. And, and I realize that that doesn’t do me any good. That doesn’t do me any good because whatever was done to her, when she stepped into eternity was completely undone. When she, when she walked into the arms of Jesus, she is now in perfect peace. She has no pain, she has no tears, she has no sorrow, and, the, the great thing is she sees the end of the story. I, I fully believe that Jesus has shown her hey this is what’s going to come out of, of of your death, and this is what’s going to come out of the fact that you’re fully, you were fully surrendered and you were, you were fully surrendered to walk in whatever path, whatever journey I had for you, and let me show you this. And I fully believe that she looked Jesus in the eye and she goes, “Jesus that is brilliant. I, I never could have thought of that, but what you’re gonna’ do out of this? Brilliant.”


Again, all credit and thanks to Hey Jude and CJ for this transcript !

flightfulbird said...

Hey Jude wrote at 7:47am -
Does anyone know where Davey speaks about not being able to imagine the last forty-five minutes of Amanda's life - is it later in that evening interview? I don't want to listen again.

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It looks like it this part is at the very end of the transcript posted at 11:20am and I will believe forever that Davey said this to address the comments from numerous posters that he has never acknowledged or even mentioned what it would've/must've been like for Amanda that morning. He is not driving himself insane over anything.

My other impressions -

Perry Noble is getting things on the record, repeating the question of what happened - getting Davey to confirm that he didn't know she'd been shot - and stating that the first text he got from Davey said "pray for Amanda, she's fallen, um, we don't know what's wrong"

Davey is still continually trying to make us think that Amanda was "ok with being a sacrificial lamb" - saying that she would say to Jesus that it was a brilliant plan and that she could see it all - he really stresses "fully surrendered" in this quote and that goes along with saying Amanda was on her knees by the bed the morning before she was killed, "leading the way in surrender".

"I, I fully believe that Jesus has shown her hey this is what’s going to come out of, of of your death, and this is what’s going to come out of the fact that you’re fully, you were fully surrendered and you were, you were fully surrendered to walk in whatever path, whatever journey I had for you, and let me show you this.

Davey said "some things looked out of place but she was three months pregnant" - those two statements don't go together at all. It makes no sense that things would look out of place because (but) she was three months pregnant. Being pregnant doesn't explain turned over furniture, scattered credit cards, underwear removed and her shirt pulled up, her tooth knocked out and lip split and scratches on her face - even if there was no blood and gunshot wounds.

More later - and yes if a life insurance investigation is going on, that would be awesome.

Me2l said...

A redundant statement....but so many of Davey's statements appear designed to answer questions and accusations or simply to explain himself.

The insurance/will segment. Why would he talk about that supposed conversation with Amanda if not to explain the existence of life insurance? I realize PN led him in that direction, but this subject had not appeared in Davey's narrative previously.

flightfulbird said...

EXACTLY ! - he's never talked about that before - now the life insurance policy has an explanation, 'cause it goes way way back to this conversation we had ! And this statement - I'm so cynical but it just looks so convenient, so scripted.

"What would we do if, if, you know if it was, if something happened to you what would you want me to do and, and vice versa. And this is what she said. She said “Davey, if something were to ever happen to me I would want you to spend the rest of your life building this church and reaching this city.”

Of COURSE that's what she'd say - because this goes along with the whole thing of Amanda saying Jesus is brilliant and it's all His plan because he is the author of this (aka my) story. . .

I've not yet watched the second video, just read the transcripts - but it will be interesting to see how he is looking around or looking really intently at Perry during this whole chat. Body language is telling. Usually when he is constructing his web, he can't sit still, can't stop stammering, can't stop looking all around.

And I find it extremely interesting that Davey/Meg/whoever posted on his new blog on April 14th (twice on 14th), 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th, 21st and 22nd - almost every single day straight but then nothing at all until his appearance at NewSpring and then it was a "thank you"/reflection message to them on the 26th and only a link to the video on the 27th - no writing.

Why so many days straight, addressing our posts and explaining things and painting a picture - then radio silence except for talking about NewSpring visit and sharing the video link? No more deep thoughts to share right now? - or is he filtering, being careful, because he knows he is being watched?

Fm25 said...

I don't believe for one second that Amanda said if anything happened to her she'd want davey to stay in Indy.
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The more he talks the more he gives away.
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First of all I don't believe in coincidences and I've always thought the pregnancy triggered setting davey' plan in motion. I've also thought how sad that Amber was in town and was supposed to see her the day she was killed. That must have been heartbreaking for her.
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I am very close with my sister but like Amanda and amber we live far apart. We both have children around the same age and wish they would grow up together instead of just visiting 2 or 3 times a year. I recently found out I was pregnant and when I told her the first thing she said is "we need to move closer!" And we've really started thinking about it because it's important for kids to grow up around their family.
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After hearing davey bring up the whole prophetic thing about staying here (which was unnecessary other than that he felt the need to explain) I am convinced Amanda was pushing to move to sc. I also wonder who he was explaining too, parishioners or Amanda's family).
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Oh and I hate davey more and more every day. He is truly the worst!

flightfulbird said...

CJ is continuing to transcribe and post to Bobcat's blog ! - more things for us to read - lots more stuttering and stammering especially when he is talking about the quilt. Link to Bobcat's blog here - this is just one page of many -

http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/04/4242016-q-mr-attention-to-detail-leaves.html?m=0

- Transcript continued -

https://s3.amazonaws.com/ns.downloads/newspring/video/newspring_sermons/2016/160424_YGWIT_04-Message_1-HIGH.mp4

27:40 PN: You shared, you said a phrase in the Garden, and — [to audience] you guys, this was so, it, it knocked me down just about, it was so powerful. [to DB] You said a phrase — [to audience] and this is going to really minister to people that you’re going through pain, tough times, maybe you’re suffering, maybe you got some confusion going on [to DB] you said this and it blew, my, mind. You know the phrase I’m talkin’ about. [DB: Yeah, yeah] Share that with us.

DB: Yeah, um. So what I said was everything that god gives us in life is everything we would ask for if we knew everything he knows. ‘Kay?

PN: Say, say that again, [DB: I’ll say it again] ‘cuz it’s so good.

DB: um, everything that god gives us in life, so scripture says every good and perfect gift comes from the father above, so everything that he allows to pass through our life, good and bad, everything he gives us in life is what we would ask for if we knew everything that he knows.

See, we only see the surface, we only see the t-, the, the, the top of, of things but there’s so much underneath the surface that, that god knows an, an, an, an, and tha-, and that’s why this story is being, it’s almost like the flipside of like, um, of like, like a quilt, when you’re weaving a quilt, and you see the flipside of it, and it looks like all these tangled pieces, and you’re like what the— [PN: Yeah, yeah, yeah] what are you, what are you, what is going on, what are you doing here, this doesn’t even make sense, but you flip it over and its this picture and you go “ohhhh, that’s awesome.”

And that’s, that’s what it is, and, and so, so what, what god, he doesn’t, he doesn’t cause evil to happen in our lives. Evil is the result of the brokenness in this world that was fractured because of sin. This whole world was fractured and now we live in that fractured, broken world and so now evil, ummm, permeates our world but, but he does allow it. He does allow bad things to happen. He is a sovereign god, that for some reason, he chose to allow this to happen. But what he wants to do out of this is, I’ll say it this way. I’m, I’m, I’m reading a book right now by Elisabeth Elliot, if you, you need to go look up her story ‘cuz it’s amazing she lost two husbands and it’s called “The Path of Loneliness” and she talks about the gain of loss.

Now think about that phrase for just a second: the gain, of loss. And this is what she says (I’m still trying to wrap my heart around this). She says, “What I gain in relationship to the giver far outweighs the loss of the gift.” Okay? So here’s what, here’s what, my family and I have recognized, we were talking about this at breakfast yesterday in downtown Greenville, is that one of the reasons we’re not just completely devastated by this whole thing, although it is devastating, is because Amanda was a gift. She was not our god. And when you lose your god it crushes your world, okay? But when you lose a gift you still have hope in the giver. [PN: Wow] And, and so, and so it’s still difficult, it still hurts, oh my gosh it hurts, but, but you’re you’re hope is not, my hope was not anchored in Amanda, and her, her hope was definitely not anchored in me. [chuckle] [30:52] Like, husbands, wives, your, your spouse is going to disappoint you at some point. They are not your savior. And, and so, we both, our hope was anchored in our savior, and so I, I firmly believe that if something were to happen to me she’d be saying the same exact thing.


Anonymous said...

Fm25, why would Amanda be pushing to move to South Carolina when her family lives in Indiana?

Me2l said...

So.....what was the answer if anything happened to Davey? I guess he didn't say, partially because that's not what happened, of course, but also, because that would make someone other than him the center of his story.

LJ B said...

It's quite likely that the Blackburns had a conversation about legalities and wills early in Amanda's pregnancy. But that is merely the kernel of truth to the lie. NO EFFING WAY Amanda said anything about Davey's LEGACY if she were to preternatually die. Nope. Once again, it's all about him, even down to her eternal wishes! "God-complex" sums it up with striking accuracy.

So. Imagine that neither the insurance company nor the police are investigating Davey. Imagine the possibility that none of them have read this blog, or if they have, it was only in passing. Imagine he is indeed "100% Cleared". How do we get these transcripts to them?

Whatever happened to the facebook link stuff?

Due to the changing of the guard at the police dept, I wonder if they shouldn't be obligated to re-review recent cases?? There might be evidence hiding in plain sight.

LJ B said...

Re Amanda wanting to move - if anything, Amanda would want to go back to Elkhart. Davey would not be okay with this, they aim for the highest population concentrations with the lowest incomes. I'm from the Elkhart area, there are plenty of churches already and the population is much less concentrated, even of you include South Bend/Mishawaka.

I can't get over the fact that Davey travelled to Elkhart to preach, less than a month after Amanda's death. The people up there are not his "type" at all. I know of First Baptist church in Elkhart, they are a "real" church. They may have special concerts and events from time to time, but they are an actual church with a diverse attendance of all ages, not a creepy low-rent pop-up youth-centered light show/stand-up comedy routine. I'm sure Amanda's parents would agree, if they are ever open about it.

I mean I can see visiting her family, even attending their church, but the peacocking around with his one-man travelling sideshow production? The police should have been, literally, following him.

LJ B said...

Sorry, left out a few phrases _

"Davey would not be okay with this, these church planters, they aim for the highest population concentrations with the lowest incomes and standards of living, in order to ensure steady numbers."

flightfulbird said...

I wrote a post this morning before I started posting the transcripts of the second NewSpring video to give credit to Hey Jude and CJ and it keeps disappearing as soon as I post it. Trying to post it again -

"Hey Jude posted earlier in this thread that there was more than one appearance and more than one video from Davey's day at NewSpring - with different clothes and differences in his description of the morning of November 10th. Hey Jude transcribed part of the second video earlier on this thread and even more of it is transcribed on Bobcat's blog by poster CJ.

I am copying and pasting the transcript in the next several posts to have it all in one place, now. The transcript is from the video from this link - https://newspring.cc/sermons/youve-got-what-it-takes/youve-got-what-it-takes-to-get-through-this

All credit to Hey Jude and CJ for the transcripts and thank you very much to these posters for taking the time to make them.


A thought - is it possible that Davey's second appearance and video were adapted after the first one to include extra statements, to cover details that "needed to be covered" to answer to our posts and questions?

This was a controlled interview situation - no doubt Davey and Perry Noble had gone through the questions that would be asked and what would be covered - yet Perry Noble to me seemed very interested in covering himself as well - being clear of Davey's stance on what happened, what the text said, that Davey had no idea Amanda had been shot.

IF Davey is innocent and wanted to exonerate himself, clear up questions, answer our doubts and maybe even end our speculation of his involvement - he could accept an interview by an "outside' / national source (as in, not NewSpring or the individual he knows at the local TV station), with questions not known in advance and an interviewer who wouldn't throw softballs. It would be interesting to see, for sure.

Anonymous said...

Herein lies the ... tragic rub. Where have I heard that before?

Anonymous said...

That doesn't do me any good, because WHATEVER was done to her...

Whatever was done - complete minimization of everything she suffered AT HIS HANDS.

Anonymous said...

In an earlier transcript, he says "Whatever was done to her..."

Minimizing what he did to her.

As Peter said, a criminal psychologists dream come true.

Concerned said...

Re: "whatever was done to her"

Something terrible was done to someone I love decades ago.
I still grieve over what she had to suffer and never would I minimize it by thinking, much less saying, "whatever was done to her."
Davey continues to scream that he did not love Amanda and did not care what happened to her.

IMO Alert!
I believe even more than before that he's the one who smashed her in the mouth, knocking her tooth out.
It's just my opinion but I think they were up fighting the night before and he hit her.
This scenario would make sense to me:
that Amanda confronted him and said she was leaving,
that he hit her and decided he and his reputation couldn't take his being outed so
maybe he called Meg (or someone close) and had her call his thug contact.
Maybe he emailed her on that laptop that "disappeared". Then there would be no phone record of the contact because the thugs "stole" only that bag and the one bank card. That was just so hinky to me!

The more Crazy Davey speaks, the more guilty he seems.
I hope and pray Amanda's family is reading here. I know from Facebook that Amber's mother-in-law is aware of the suspicions.
As Davey promote his brand and tries to defend his behavior, I hope Peter keeps the pressure on.

And about that defense, Davey's storytelling on his talk with Amanda sounds like just that - story telling! Please!

Fm25 said...

I thought Amber was in sc but I now see she's in Elkhart. So change sc to Elkhart. I think it's possible she wanted to be closer to her sister so their children would grow up together. Contemplating a move jives with her last journal entry.

Fm25 said...

I thought Amber lives in sc but I now see Elkhart, so revising my original post. I think it's very likely she wanted to move to Elkhart to be closer to her sister and so that they could raise their children together. They obviously lived in an unsafe area and Indianapolis schools are not very good. This is consistent with her last journal entry and that she was happy she got to see resonate grow with her own eyes. Davey implies this was bc she was willing to die for her church and supposedly they had a feeling they were about to enter a season of pain. I can't imagine Amanda, 28 years old with a young son and baby on the way would have had those thoughts. Pn led him there in the interview for a reason. He didn't really owe his newspring parishioners an explanation for staying in Indy, I think it was for the benefit of Amanda's family. I'm sure with all that has happened they would want Weston closer. Amanda was brutally murdered in Indy (although I don't believe it was a random act obviously). But just playing along, why would anyone want to stay and raise there some there. Why does davey really want to stay?

Fm25 said...

Anyone know if there's a transcript to the love song series week 6 q & a with Amanda and davey? I remember them talking about people moving away from church and davey said something about a couple who left but wanted to come back. i remember Amanda called him out and said that was a lie. I really can't stomach researching the video, but I'd like to see the wording used since it may support Amanda wanting to leave Indy.
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Also, in blog about how Weston was doing davey said a lot of people don't agree with his living arrangement but he doesn't care what anyone else thinks. Who was he referring to there? Only his friends and family likely knew about the living arrangement at that time. Once again I'm going to have to speculate and say perhaps Amanda's family had some concerns. Which I hope is true bc maybe they're not buying what davey'davey's selling after all. Amanda's family members seem like good people and I would not expect to see them speaking badly of davey, at least publicly. So hopefully there's more going on behind the scenes then we're aware of.

Hey Jude said...

Flightful - thanks for putting the transcripts together, and to CJ.

If there was an insurance conversation between Davey and Amanda - I think it would more likely have been after Weston was born, as that's when the reality of the baby presents itself in terms of 'what if anything happened?' The question is, though - if the mother were to die, who would look after the baby/babies/kids for however many years - and how would that be paid for? I can't imagine Amanda's focus would be on Davey staying In Indy, rather than who would be able to care for her baby if she died or was disabled, and if they really needed insurance or not, in view of their family, and their church family's likely willingness to help out, wherever they were. I'd so like to know if Amanda had discussed any insurance conversation with her parents and Amber - and, as Davey also mentioned wills, if Amanda left one, and if so, also if her family was also aware of the existence of one prior to Amanda's death - and if any of her family and friends knew informally her thoughts on how she'd like Weston to be raised if she wasn't there to raise him.

I think he destroyed Amanda's real journal, and didn't like what she wrote in it, because if anyone knew Davey's dark side, Amanda did. He spoke so much on the journal, and that he had read it, tried to make light of Amanda not liking him to read it, when if the published parts are representative of everything she wrote, her journal wouldn't have drawn his attention so much. I think he published some entries in case Amanda had complained to family or friends about his control freakery in reading it - one can imagine, if Davey orchestrated Amanda's death, and was preparing her (gaslighting) for her sacrificial lamb duty, that he would have been monitoring what she might write. The over-praise of Davey in her journal makes me think that besides trying to keep her faith in him, and praying that God would 'fix' him, Amanda was conscious of Davey reading it, so it was written in part to stroke his ego. I still think there was a real journal somewhere, and it surely is not in existence now. That whole journal thing - 'don't think/look there - look here' - Davey presenting himself through Amanda's eyes, just the bits he wants people to see - the parts written to please and flatter him. 'This is Amanda's Journal.' Okay, if he says so, I'm sure it's a bit true.

I agree with those who think Amanda had reached a point at which she wanted out - Amanda probably dreamed of divorce, too, but tragically, either kept trusting it would all work out with faith and perseverance, or she did not feel able to leave him, and for religious reasons did not want their marriage to fail. Also - Davey dreaming about divorce may be that he's now worrying about someone repeating his having said that - he dreamed of - wished for divorce, but he'd be a failed pastor, so that was not an option for him. Everything he says is for a reason - he's so much like the McCanns in the way they try to retrospectively cover themselves. IMO.

Anonymous said...

Fm25, around the 17:24 mark of Love Song, Week 6, Davey said that "...we just got a call the from a couple who had moved away, the other day & said they're moving back because it's just been terrible." Amanda said, "That's not true," & Davey muttered, "Just kidding...It is kind of true."

http://resonateindianapolis.com/mediacast/love-song-week-6-qa-with-davey-and-amanda/

Anonymous said...

Fm25, it's important to note that they both smile and kinda chuckle about it. He was being facetious and does not appear upset when she says it's not true.

Anonymous said...

I'm going to take a guess and say that CD upped the life insurance around 12 weeks before Amanda was murdered, ie, when he discovered She was pregnant again.

The palaver about discussing wills and life insurance before Weston was born, makes it appear " natural" that the same thing would happen before the next baby was born.


"...and this is what she said. She said “Davey, if something were to ever happen to me I would want you to spend the rest of your life building this church and reaching this city.”

Funny she would have said that and not something about bringing up Weston. Anyway,he's up shit creek without a paddle if he ever wants to get out of #forindy or resonate, with that statement. It'd be pretty bad form to go against his dead wife's wishes. Indy is stuck with him.

flightfulbird said...

I just watched that part (and had remembered that little interaction from watching it in December) and while they definitely were smiling, she was gentle but firm when she said "that's not true" and when he mutters "it is kind of true" he has a sheepish grinning look on his face like "I am SO busted but if I keep my charming smile, I think I can play it off as a joke instead of getting caught in a lie in front of everyone like this".

When he made the statement/began the story, he was initially looking down and then looked straight at the audience - it didn't seem like he was kidding in the least until Amanda sort of laughed and said "that's not true". Either way (whether he was kidding or not), I don't think he expected her to say it and I doubt he liked being called out.

Anonymous said...


The quilt statements are fascinating.


See, we only see the surface, we only see the t-, the, the, the top of, of things but there’s so much underneath the surface that, that god knows an, an, an, an, and tha-, and that’s why this story is being, it’s almost like the flipside of like, um, of like, like a quilt, when you’re weaving a quilt, and you see the flipside of it, and it looks like all these tangled pieces, and you’re like what the— [PN: Yeah, yeah, yeah] what are you, what are you, what is going on, what are you doing here, this doesn’t even make sense, but you flip it over and its this picture and you go “ohhhh, that’s awesome.”

"Weaving, tangled" that reminds me of something...oh yeah.

He's used the quilt analogy before. Last time it included something about "pulling strings"

Fm25 said...

Hmmm, I don't know about that. I agree with flightful bird below and I know when the video was discussed previously most posters felt the same. It's important to note that even though davey says Amanda is "not well read" she was very much superior to him. She presents herself well with pose and grace. Just because she's smiling doesn't mean she's joking. i don't think she'd have said it if davey lying didn't bother her as it's out of character for her to interrupt him and call him out like that.

Anonymous said...

"..and I can, man I can drive myself crazy (short trip) thinking about the last 45 minutes of her life"

Is that the 45 minutes BEFORE the 50 minutes that you sat in the driveway, Davey? Which 45 minutes are you talking about? Maybe the 45 mins at the hospital when there was a chance she might survive?

flightfulbird said...

That's what I wondered about the "last 45 minutes of her life" - which ones ! The last 45 minutes - in the hospital on life support - were arguably the most comfortable and safest Amanda had been in the last 24-36 hours of her life. I'm laughing at the part about those 45 minutes when it was touch and go and there was a chance she might survive.

Fm25, I am watching more of that video and transcribing some parts of it. There were multiple instances where Amanda is smiling but saying firm, pointed things and Davey is reacting like he's blown away that she would be feeling/thinking and then saying those things in front of everyone. Just from skimming it for fifteen minutes, there are ALOT of things said that indicate that they were having a ton of friction with each other and had a super hard (and ongoing) time adjusting to being married and being together all the time after a long distance relationship for so long.

The Resonate website dates this video as October 27, 2015 - two weeks before Amanda was murdered (along with unborn Everett "Evie" Grace). Remember, he went ahead and chose the middle name to just, keep a little piece of Amanda in that. Little pieces of Amanda all over the country - she poured out her life - it's like pulling the string on a See and Say wheel when he starts talking about her legacy and role as a sacrificial lamb.

flightfulbird said...

CJ's transcript continues on Bobcat's blog (transcript of the second NewSpring video) !
This is continued from flightfulbird post at 12:12pm May 2nd

31:06 PN: Yeah. So, there’s a lot of people here, on our campuses, watching online, obviously are dealing with some level of pain, some level of grief, hurt, [DB: yeah] confusion, doubt [DB: yeah] maybe even disbelief. Um, I, I want you to take a, take a couple of minutes and talk to us because, what has god been teaching you in this season that you could say to those of us, who maybe are dealing with something that we never thought we would deal with?

DB: Yeah, that’s, yeah. Um, well first, first of all I think you hit the nail on the head, Perry, I think, no I don’t think, I know that there are lots of people in this room who are dealing with a lot of pain. And um, I, I have people come up to me oftentimes and they share their pain with me because I’m a pastor and, and that’s just, you know, what we, we, we help absorb pain, we help walk people through that, but, but since Amanda’s death they say “Man I feel really bad about telling you this because I’d, there’s no way that, that, that my pain could in any way compare to, to the gravity of what you’re going through.”

And I stop them right there. I had a guy come in tell me this the other day, he’s going through an affair divorce situation, and I said “stop stop stop whoa, you can’t compare pain.” [PN: That’s right] It is absolutely futile to try to compare, it’s like comparing a bee sting to a bite; they both hurt. They both hurt in their own unique ways. And I said “honestly man, you’re walking through an affair, um your wife had an affair on you, and and you’re, you’re going through this divorce thing — I think your situation’s harder than mine.” And, the reason I know that is because twice now, this happened a couple of months ago, but also last night at three o’clock in the morning I woke up from a dream that Amanda was divorcing me. And at three o’clock in the morning last night I’m wrestling with feelings that I’m not supposed to wrestle with in my situation: abandonment, rejection, um, betrayal, and, and I’m going “Whoa!” And I think honestly some of that is, is god’s grace in my life helping me to empathize with other people’s hurt. And um, other people’s pain and so I’m able to pastor people a little better than I would if I, if I wasn’t feeling pain.

But, but, but man you, you just can’t, pain is pain and so, so, so we often look at pain as this thing that’s like an interruption to our story, but really pain is an invitation into a greater story. [PN: Wow.] And so if, if everyone’s dealing with pain, then the, the, the better question is okay, what’s god trying to do in the midst of my pain? ‘Cuz he’s trying to do something inside of me so he can do something through me, but what is it? And, and I think that scripture holds some, some clues, uh, for that to us. In fact Second Corinthians chapter four talks about how this light and momentary affliction is producing for us an eternal weight of glory. So it’s, so you’re, you’re suffering your light and momentary, it doesn’t feel light and momentary, but in the light of eternity it is a very very very thin wisp, it is a vapor. And so, so it’s producing something for us –

rosy said...

Anonymous at 8;52 said:

The quilt statements are fascinating.


"See, we only see the surface, we only see the t-, the, the, the top of, of things but there’s so much underneath the surface that, that god knows an, an, an, an, and tha-, and that’s why this story is being, it’s almost like the flipside of like, um, of like, like a quilt, when you’re weaving a quilt...."


Yes. The stuttering, "the t-, the, the, the top of .... an, an, an, an, and tha-, and that’s.... of like, like a quilt, when you’re weaving a quilt..." is an instance of leakage of dishonesty in the form of plagiarism.

He is claiming other people's thoughts and experience as his own original faith-based insight. The one original element is his insertion of "quilt" in place of "tapestry," the metaphor found in commonplace wisdom and treated with originality in e.g. the poem “Life is but a Weaving” (the Tapestry Poem) by the Dutch Christian Corrie ten Boom (1892-1983).

DB garbles the borrowed metaphor. You don't "weave" a quilt, you piece it together.

rosy said...

Further to his stuttering "the t-, the, the, the top of .... an, an, an, an, and tha-, and that’s.... of like, like a quilt, when you’re weaving a quilt..."

I don't know how, or whether, this fits with SA, but DA's stuttering in instances like this aims, it seems to me, to create an effect of precious spontaneity.

Aside from whether his stuttering masks truer statements, the mask is a kind of leverage.

It's a mask of originality, purveying an impression of uniqueness. As if no one would have these insights if DB did not bestow them. Yet the insights are commonplace, in circulation for decades if not for generations. At worst cliches and platitudes; at best proverbial wisdom. And honest person does not stutter and stumble over them. An honest person acknowledges them as gifts from the experiences of others.

DB wants his "insights" to be idolized.

Concerned said...

Davey needs to do a little research before he runs with an analogy.
His quilt story is so far off.
You don't weave a quilt and what is that mumbo jumbo about the tangled pieces on the under side?!
He stutters during that because he's just making something up out of whole cloth (pardon my pun) much like he
stutters when he's making up his Amanda story.
But I hope he keeps on talking and Peter keeps on analyzing!
Justice will come for Amanda and her baby.

rosy said...

PS To be clearer - not that everything he claims to experience is plagiarized (though I think a good deal is). But that the patterns of his self-fashioning include a powerful drive to present himself, in all his banality, as a wellspring of awesome spontaneity. DB wants to be idolized for his "insights," for his "vision."

He has some sort of spoiled-child complex playing out in a fantasy of himself as a channel to God. He's been doing this for years. Goes along with how he says "Listen, listen...."

rosy said...

Concerned,

With the quilt analogy he's not making something up out of whole cloth. He's appropriating and tweaking an internet "meme" or trope, based on a published poem. The poem was included in a book about Cornelia "Corrie" ten Boom and her family's work in the Holocaust, "The Hiding Place" (1971, 1975). Drawing on traditional Christian beliefs about divine Providence and the problem of evil, the poem, "The Tapestry," includes these lines:

Oft’ times He weaveth sorrow;
And I in foolish pride
Forget He sees the upper
And I the underside.

Not ’til the loom is silent
And the shuttles cease to fly
Will God unroll the canvas
And reveal the reason why.

rosy said...

PPS DB's striving for awesome uniqueness of vision and his alienation from lived experience are symptomized in the way he tweaks the tapestry analogy. The analogy says, I as a human being in this life of pain, trouble, sorrow, and evil see the chaotic-seeming underside of God's divine providential plan. I see no beauty, I see no order, shape, pattern, meaning.

Weavers have put up photos of the "underside" of some of their work to show where this analogy came from.

DB on the contrary says: "See, we only see the surface, we only see the t-, the, the, the top of, of things but there’s so much underneath the surface that, that god knows an, an, an, an, and tha-, and that’s why this story is being, it’s almost like the flipside of like, um, of like, like a quilt, when you’re weaving a quilt...."

He's mixing two metaphors, two analogies, 1) the Platonic metaphor of deceptive appearances versus true deep underlying realities and 2) this metaphor of a tapestry or quilt. He forgets that the top side of a quilt (like the right side of a tapestry) is not tangled and chaotic.

To the extent that he is MIXING metaphors, I suppose he is struggling with his own insights. The giveaway is still there, he's fashioning himself and the story - "and that’s why this story is being...."

Concerned said...

Hi, Rosy,
My point was that Davey doesn't know the difference between a quilt and a tapestry.

I love your comment that Davey wants to be seen as a "wellspring of awesome spontaneity".
He is neither awesome nor spontaneous and he's not willing to research before he speaks.
I would bet he was quite the lazy student and
only through NewSpring would he have become a "pastor" (and I use the term loosely!)

He will never be a highly respected minister of God's word because he doesn't even know the scriptures
and his thinking is too disorganized to hold the attention of intelligent people.
I would take joy in that if it weren't for the lost and suffering people passing his way.

flightfulbird said...

At 47:35 into the second NewSpring video (Davey has been talking about forgiving the guys who allegedly killed Amanda... or helped him kill Amanda) - at 47:40 he closes his eyes and says this -

"And um Perry, I know this, I know this is crazy, it's it's crazy to me, but the way I'm seeing the Lord weave this whole thing and there have been crazy, crazy different things that have happened, but I honestly believe that part of my story is going to be one day looking these men in the eye and sharing the gospel with them, because, um, I'll be honest with you, I can't think of a better way to kick the enemy in the nuts (pauses here for audience reaction) than ... I mean, can you imagine that, if, if, imagine if these guys met Jesus. One, imagine the testimony and how that would affect thousands if not millions of people - but imagine how impotent that renders the enemy. So, I I dunno how that, don't sit here and be like 'wow he's amazing', I have no idea how that, how I would ever be able to step into that situation, but I'm grateful that in my weakness, God is strong, and what's not possible with me is possible with Him."

He's again saying "don't be like wow, he's amazing" - the Lord has woven this whole thing - HIS STORY will include looking the killers/men in the eye and sharing the gospel. What he said here is similar to the first video but was somehow so much more annoying in this one when I watched it just now.

Shallow now, but at 52:40 he totally looks like he has gained weight (and NOT muscle mass) - or maybe it's just his too-tight skinny pants and too-small jean jacket making him look like he has. And I absolutely hate his hair.

rosy said...

Concerned,
You're right, it's lazy thinking. I wish I believed he will have little influence.

Lis said...

Even at her deathbed, he was putting on a performance. :-(

Lis said...

Just my opinion but I think that when he is trying to appear as if he has feelings like everyone else, he grasps at poorly matched metaphors or cheesy cliche stories and hopes others will read the appropriate feelings into them.

Lis said...

Is he saying he is currently having dreams that Amanda is divorcing him? If so, that is really interesting. I would think it comes from feelings of guilt over betraying her. Maybe from the way he is shamelessly capitalizing on her death, reading and posting her diary, and other things he's doing. He knows she would not have liked or approved of.

I cannot imagine telling someone that the divorce they are going through is more painful than having your wife and unborn child brutally murdered. That's insane. If he really thinks that, it says a lot.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Long Post Alert

Re: Amanda's Journal Posts (Davey's Interpretations vs. Reality)

https://twitter.com/daveyblackburn/media daveyblackburn ‏@daveyblackburn 27 Dec 2015
Encouraging words from Amanda . . . When life goes differently than planned
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Amanda: “The potter formed it into another pot, forming it as it seemed best to him.”
Amanda was meditating on was Jeremiah 18:1-5. The clay is defective and will not correctly form into a pot “fit” for service. So, the potter uses it to make a lesser kind of pot. Reading it in context (Jeremiah 18: 9-10), Amanda knew at this point that Resonate was not growing the way it should have been…in spite of all the leadership books, the rounds of training seminars so Davey could learn how everybody else was doing it, the inspirational Great Men of God books, the how-to-wow-an-audience books, the marketing books, the endless promotions and publicity stunts.
Amanda: “That verse has been an incredible reminder. I feel like there have been so many things in our lives that have gone completely different than we planned.’
She’s become fully aware that there’s a defect in their clay and knows it’s not God’s fault. Amanda knows Davey is not what he should be (her palpable sadness in the Chicago anniversary videos). She knows Davey is not going to be a mega-church pastor no matter what how hard they work and pray.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Long Post con't

Amanda: “And no matter what these next few months look like…no matter how out of control I feel + no matter what things come as a surprise…and no matter how hard it may be….”.
She’s committed to loving God anyway. She’s acknowledging that God has the right to promote or demote a leader, increase or shutter a church, and she expects their lives to change significantly for the negative. She’s aware they have the potential to lose everything, but chooses to trust God .
Davey’s entire persona, not to mention a large sum of money, are invested in his success with Resonate. He cannot afford to lose. Knowing what you know of Davey from his sermons, tweets, and interviews…can you imagine his reaction to reading this? Or Amanda trying to discuss it with him? His church was struggling with attendance and finances. He had a toddler that: stressed his finances, cut into his church planting time & activities/successful lifestyle/ & hobbies, was impacting his sex life, and took attention from him…and he just found out a second one was on the way! A second child under those circumstances, given his personal self-stated triggers= a volatile situation.

Amanda dying seems a win-win for him: insurance payout, free publicity parlayed into a national news story by a driven Communications major-turned pastor with a NewSpring PR team with contacts and outlets to “manage” it, built-in sympathetic fan base for the single pastor father (losing his beautiful wife and their unborn baby) and left with a motherless toddler…all at the hands of three thugs in a home invasion (really a walk in the front door). The only element missing in this “made for TV movie” was sex and even that was hinted at with the shirt and partial nudity thing.

LJ B said...

He's on HGH or anabolic steroids, it's quite obvious. They really wear you down after a while. Well that, and putting a hit on your wife. The tanning/steroids/gym circuit is something he would have crafted with online advice, imo. I wouldn't be surprised if he was on bodybuilding(read, juicehead) forums.

It's even possible that the acquiring of these drugs is how he met his hitmen; whether coinciding, or removed from his church outreach crap. The steroid racket runs in the ghetto too, right alongside the Class A and B illegal drugs.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

For those wondering about logistics (like the house, furniture,etc.), you may want to look at these links

1. In case you wondered how fair it was from the driveway to the front door
https://twitter.com/daveyblackburn/media
daveyblackburn ‏@daveyblackburn 17 Nov 2012
#LeavesFoDays –

2. The decorative ladder in the living room decorative (mentioned in the Affadavit of Probable Cause)
daveyblackburn ‏@daveyblackburn 12 Apr 2014
Best way to spend a Saturday afternoon

3. Proximity of the their house to the next door neighbors(the Blackburn house is on the right)
daveyblackburn ‏@daveyblackburn 4 May 2014
My vanity required that I also post this one of the front yard #SoYouKnowICanGrowGrass

4.Amanda, the living room furniture & floor, Affadavit details
daveyblackburn ‏@daveyblackburn 8 Oct 2015
I came home for lunch today and find @AmandaGrace having a neighborhood girl party. #CutestThingEver

**Note Mel at the bottom of the pic with Amanda, Amanda’s raised left forearm, the flooring, Now consider the absence of Mel, the credit cards lying scattered on the floor, the end table lamp and the ladder ( nowhere near each other) on the floor, duct tape roll on the floor, Amanda face down in a pool of blood,-shirt up, panties lying next to her…and Davey said, “Things didn’t look right. Something was up." He said he thought "something went wrong with the pregnancy"? Is that even believable, much less to an EMT/Fire department First Responder/LE officer?

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Thank you flightful for transcribing this!

PN: So, so, walk, walk us through, um - everything was going great and then that Tuesday morning in November happens. Walk us through that day, what happened and, what went on, and, how did you discover everything that was –

DB: Yeah. So, um, it was supposed to be a pretty normal Tuesday; Tuesdays are my long day, and so I, I [stutters] usually get up really early. So I was up at 4.30 that morning, um, spent some time with the Lord right there on my living room couch [location sensitivity], and then grabbed my gym bag and headed out the door. And [missing time period], um, always have a conversation with my best friend [unnamed here, but Kenneth Wagner acknowledged on his Twitter account] who planted a church in Doverdale, where the other guy that was at that lunch [too much information], and um, so [need to explain] we always talk on Tuesday mornings from about 7 till about 8, and so [need to explain] as I was finishing up my workout [he never said he worked out, so how can he finish what he did not start?] I jump on the phone with him, drive back to the house, finish up the conversation with him, in the driveway, and I walk in, um, to , to discover my worst nightmare become reality.

Davey said Tuesdays are his long day SO he usually gets up really early. Tuesday being a long day has no bearing on getting up early whatsoever. So why does he say it does? Why does he have a need to defend getting up at 4:30?

These links are all found here- https://twitter.com/daveyblackburn/media
1. daveyblackburn ‏@daveyblackburn 17 Sep 2012 (4:26 a.m.) Morning Coffee and The Word next to this

2. daveyblackburn ‏@daveyblackburn 19 Aug 2012 (5:09 a.m.) Spending my Sunday morning prepping and praying for @resonateindy tonight

3. daveyblackburn ‏@daveyblackburn 6 Dec 2013 (5:25 a.m.) Doing some planning and goal-setting today

4. daveyblackburn ‏@daveyblackburn 14 Jan 2014 (4:48 a.m.) Where I'm spending time with Jesus this morning #PrivateBalconyPool -

5. daveyblackburn ‏@daveyblackburn 25 Apr 2014 (2:56 a.m.- this one is about preparing a sacrifice) #DifferenceMaker #GameChanger

6. daveyblackburn ‏@daveyblackburn 10 Nov 2014 (4:33 a.m.) The best way to start a Monday morning #FireAndCoffeeSnob

lynda said...

Davey said,

"They both hurt in their own unique ways. And I said “honestly man, you’re walking through an affair, um your wife had an affair on you, and and you’re, you’re going through this divorce thing — I think your situation’s harder than mine.” And, the reason I know that is because twice now, this happened a couple of months ago, but also last night at three o’clock in the morning I woke up from a dream that Amanda was divorcing me. And at three o’clock in the morning last night I’m wrestling with feelings that I’m not supposed to wrestle with in my situation: abandonment, rejection, um, betrayal, and, and I’m going “Whoa!"

"You're going thru this divorce thing, i think your situation is harder than mine."
Complete minimization of what the reality is. His wife and unborn child have been brutally murdered and he thinks that is "easier" than a divorce. Then he says, "the reason I know this" He doesn't know this, and he has a need to explain why he knows it. He dreamt Amanda was divorcing him at THREE (liars number) o'clock in the morning. "I wrestling with feelings that I"M NOT SUPPOSED TO WRESTLE WITH in my situation, abandonment, rejection, betrayal." Why is he wrestling with these feelings and why is he NOT supposed to be? I think Davey knew that Amanda wanted to divorce him. Betrayal? Why is he wrestling with betrayal? Even a divorce is not a betrayal per se. I can't believe this guy will not shut up. He now has said that not only was it the "best time" for Amanda to die, it also hurts less than a divorce. I feel that Davey really thinks that because a divorce would be a public REJECTION. She doesn't want him. She doesn't need him. She'd rather have him be a part time than a full time dad. That would be unacceptable to DAvey. Nobody rejects him.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Davey outright manipulating scripture by highlighting this passage:

https://twitter.com/daveyblackburn/media daveyblackburn ‏@daveyblackburn 18 Dec 2015

Jesus is a Promise Maker and a Promise Keeper #NothingIsWasted

"10 And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you into his eternal glory in Christ, will"
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The Actual Verse reads:

"And the God of all grace who called you to his eternal glory in Christ, after you have suffered a little while, will himself restore you and make you strong, firm, and steadfast." 1Peter 5:10

*FYI- it's written to Elders and Young Men, shepherds of the flock, with a list of what not to do and what not to do in leading the flock. Davey left the most important part out-God restoring the person and making them STRONG, FIRM, and STEADFAST because it doesn't fit his story. A person in Heaven doesn't need to be restored or any of those qualities, only a live person does. EPIC fail, Davey! He's not even a good communicator.

**This is a really good reason to always look up the verses/information for yourself! ;)

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

lynda @ 3:05 AM May 3, 2016

Excellent point! In Davey's mind, it's better for Amanda (and their baby)to die than for her to divorce him. Davey's all about image and spends a lot of time and effort crafting and maintaining his-high maintenance. I totally agree that the very public rejection of a divorce would be unacceptable. It would be exponentially worse with a narcissist...perhaps fatal. A narcissist spouse, in a position of public authority and influence, being publicly found lacking, would be dangerous indeed. It would be even more dangerous if said spouse owed a large sum of money or was heavily indebted to another in some way,and whose income was heavily dependent upon maintaining that public position/lifestyle.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

So, perhaps the question becomes who is heavily invested in Resonate's success (within or without)?

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Just to be clear here, I am not saying Davey Blackburn killed Amanda.

I am saying that it's too highly coincidental, especially given the MO of the other 2 back door break-ins by this little Kilt gang, that they would just casually bypass a house in between and walk right up and through Amanda's front door...especially on a morning when multiple other neighbors are up and out on the sidewalks (taking out trash cans,driving by, etc.).

I'm also saying that it's statistically nearly impossible for this to randomly occur (much less within such a tight timeline) given: it occurs on the morning the neighbor 2 doors down isn't home for a protracted period, Davey's up on time but doesn't leave until 6:10, Davey gets up early and heads for a workout but is only there 40 minutes, he leaves the gym just as Taylor's being picked up by his cohorts one street over from Sunnyfield, it happens to be the exact morning he's out in his driveway on a 50 minute phone call that his wife bleeds out, Amanda's devoted dog makes no noise whatsoever even though a woman is screaming and somebody's shooting in the house,and his call is just minutes after the arriving neighbor lady (visually 2 doors down).

Bingo3 said...

Someone posted earlier the possibility that maybe Dave Ramsey forced (hehehe) Davey to up his insurance on Amanda again when she got pregnant the second time. You know, so the church could go on after her death because that is all that mattered to her.(yeah right) I was relieved to see Peter post that in cases of life insurance, they have the most skilled investigators hired by the insurance companies. I sure hope that is being investigated and how much he would take out on her in the name of The Financial Peace University. I find it really rich that DB is using Dave Ramsey(shifting blame) as his excuse for getting the life insurance on Amanda.

Also, has everyone seen Davey posting his own quotes all over the place. They are done up in pretty graphics just like some of the other big church pastors. Davey is posting more of his own quotes than verses now. And what up with the "Everything God gives us we would have asked for if we knew everything He knows." That is being tweeted all over the place. So DB would have asked to have his wife and unborn child to be murdered? What exactly is he saying here? SMH

Peter Hyatt said...

I am working on a conclusionary article but for now..

I have struggled with:

a. he is lying about homosexuality and just glad she is gone
b. he is lying because he somehow tipped off a gang as to easy access
c. both


It is very difficult to believe he did not know someone had been in his home according to his latest interview, in spite of his past 'secret lie' which points to sexuality. Lots in law enforcement choose (c) but no investigator I have spoken to believes he had no contact, including distance contact, with the gang.

I will introduce the article with an article about general ideology and how to listen for ideological influence in statements and then on to an actual analysis of statements on specific topics.

Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

Here is an off topic I could not resist. If he was well known, this would become a classic

Sadie Khan: “I have spent my whole life fighting extremism”

Hey Jude said...

'DB: Yeah, what, what I said and what I’ve really co-, come to realize is that um, whatever happened to Amanda —, and I can, man I can drive myself crazy thinking about the last 45 minutes of her life. And, and I realize that that doesn’t do me any good. That doesn’t do me any good because whatever was done to her, when she stepped into eternity was completely undone'

Why does he say 'whatever happened to Amanda' and 'whatever was done to Amanda' as if he (really) has no idea. I would expect him to say (because he knows what happened to Amanda - LE and doctors would have given him a pretty good idea, if he really did not already know) ' what happened to Amanda' and 'what was done to Amanda' - is the 'whatever' there to give the impression that he is still not sure of everything that happened, further distancing himself from what was done to Amanda? Or is 'whatever' because perhaps, he really does not know all the details?

Is there a difference between thinking about and imagining the last forty-five minutes of Amanda's life? One thinks (I think?) about what one can think about, and has some knowledge of - whereas one is more likely to say 'imagine' where there is little or less knowledge, and not so much to think about. I don't know - I might be slanting his words the way I want to see them.

I think he means the last forty five minutes of Amanda's conscious existence, as it's then she would have been terrorised and attacked, and it's that time period which would haunt loved ones of a murder victim, one of whom he's trying so hard to pretend to be - he wants people to think that's the time between he left for the gym at 6.10am and the time a neighbour heard two gunshots and a scream, around 6.50 - 6.55am. It may well be that period of time in which she was last conscious. I don't know why he'd think or know Amanda was aware of the perpetrator's presence in the house, and think she was being abused for the whole forty-five minutes - it was a long time for them to be in the house, unless they knew the man of the house was not going to return while they were there.

Hey Jude said...

"Everything God gives us we would have asked for if we knew everything He knows."

More self-justification - it oozes from him. That one is particularly telling for how much he didn't love Amanda, and equally for how twisted his thinking is. No-one would ASK for that for Amanda - God did not GIVE Davey Amanda's murder - God did not plan or intend Amanda's murder - Davey is corrupt, and corrupting - he's obscene. If people are re-tweeting that as 'wisdom' one has to wonder at what happened to their ability to think or to question.

lynda said...

I am sick of Davey and his, "God knew all this, God planned all this, blah, blah, blah." He has no concept of God to continually keep saying this. GOD does NOT interfere with the free will of man. It is His greatest gift to us. If man did not have free will, we would be like reeds in the wind, blowing this way and that at external forces that we have no control over.

Everyone involved made a CHOICE. A personal choice to continue on. To rob, rape, murder. God didn't have a hand in it AT ALL. To my knowledge, Amanda was not a prophet of God whose sole purpose here was to be a sacrificial lamb. Davey comparing what GOD did and planned for Amanda to Jesus in the Garden? Seriously? Amanda nor Davey are Jesus. Nor did they have the burden that Jesus wrestled with. I hate that he keeps saying God planned all this, is that distancing Peter? Can you distance yourself to a murder you had a hand in by blaming it all on "it was meant to be" cuz God planned it? What irritates me even more is the people that are willing to support him in his delusion. Yay DAvey, you're so right Davey, You're awesome Davey. Yuck!

Jen said...

Hey Jude,
Possibly when he mentions not thinking about the last 45 minutes of her life, he is referring to the time he spent in the driveway. He doesn't acknowledge any guilt about being on the phone and not going in the house. If it were me, I would be driving myself crazy with what I could have done if I'd gone in the house earlier. He isn't t struggling at all with any emotions.

The incident when he was in high school that caused everyone to distrust him is important. It was life altering for his family (they had to move far away ). Surely someone he went to school with reads here. What did he do? Many people must know. He says he let down everyone.

Anonymous said...

DB's posted quotes are driving me crazy, as well, particularly this one:

"Sometimes God allows a season of humbling into your life to prime you for a season of promotion.


I didn't know he'd been humbled, and every season seems to be the season of "promotion" for him. WHO posts such things???

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Hey Jude- You've got some great points upthread about Davey's language with the "whatever happened to Amanda"! Having recently been through the death of a close friend and neighbor, Davey did in fact know what happened to Amanda. The death certificate would have been specific and he'd had to have filed it with the funeral home, insurance company, banks, etc. Given it was a murder, there would have been a detailed coroner's report as well. The only variable would have been consensual sex vs. a sexual assault by Davey-unknown DNA would have been recorded and Taylor's/Watson's/Gordon's DNA were all in CODIS and they would have been charged accordingly. Given that it's 6 mos. later, all three perps are in custody awaiting trial, the autopsy's done, coroner's report is in, and death certificate issued, Davey should be able to definitively say what happened. He doesn't. As a matter of fact, he goes out his way to avoid discussing it, stuttering and stammering every time it comes up. Why? It should flow smoothly if it's experiential memory. He's intentionally vague and withholding information. After his emotionally and sensorily scrubbed account of finding Amanda,he said "I have vivid memories..." in the latest PN interview.

Peter Hyatt said...

LBJ's post about purchasing of PEDs and meeting the wrong type of people is not a stretch.

Nor is it a stretch to come in contact to a gang through this means, with the gym at the center.

Fm25 said...

I'm gonna put my theory out here. I know it's not based on s/a bc that's not my field, but I think s/a supports it. Questions at bottom that I'm trying to work through.
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This was a planned hit. Dg and jw were in on it. Lt. was the fall guy. He pulled the trigger while the others were gone. He is their "sacrificial lamb".
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Db wrote the plan. He told them which house to hit first. To leave a string of clues linking the burglaries. How to disarm neighbors surveillance. What time to be gone by. Maybe even which sweater to use(neighbors favorite pink sweater is odd choice to wrap around head at atm). He waited outside to make sure neighbor got home first. They had left a lot out at neighbors house so no question it had been burglarized.
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When he called 911 he reported injury. Of course he had no idea what happened, that just shows he wasn't involved. He's a lead pastor, he wasn't the gym, he had no idea he'd been robbed. He's the picture of innocence. The cops see its part of a string of burglaries pretty quickly and they buy his story. They know about the gang activity in the area. It's just another tragic gang-related crime. They clear him way too quickly bc they have suspects in mind. Hell, I might have bought db's story if he hadn't revealed so much in the days, months, and weeks afterward.
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Things I'm wondering: did they want to get caught? As far as I know the only Dna hit came from sweater which could have been a mistake. But these guys have bee way more cooperative than expected coming from an area where snitches get stitches. Db started with talk of saving them pretty early on and it seems imminent now. Dg and jw made sure they were out of house when the gun was fired. If Db is successful and people keep buying this crap they could end up way better off then they were. Imagine the possibilities. 2 gang members after life of crime find Jesus with help of victims husband and turn their life around. I don't think there's any hope for lt.
- do police still believe db is innocent? I'm sure they must have doubts now but they missed their opportunity to investigate properly. Plus husband being involved in pregnant wife's murder - should be police101. If they botched this it doesn't look good for them. Any of them reading this blog? Commenting on it? I wonder.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Jen @ 10:58 AM May 3, 2016

I was thinking the same thing about Davey's explanation for why he doesn't talk about the details of "the last 45 minutes of her life". Being that he left the front door unlocked, that knowledge of his responsibility for her death should be living at his front door (literally). I hear what you're saying . Davey says "...and, I can, I can drive myself crazy...", not "I've been driving myself crazy" or even "it's been driving me crazy". He's saying that he has the ability to think about it, not that he does think about it. You're right-he's not struggling with any emotions-he's also not struggling with bearing any responsibility for his actions or lack thereof...that's abnormal.

LE has been reluctant to definitively pinpoint the time frame exactly, with Davey leaving "around" 6:10 to the neighbor thinking they heard 2 shots and a woman's scream "about 6:45-6:50"...yet Davey does. They could not definitively tell how long she'd been unconscious or even bleeding...yet Davey states 45 minutes without stuttering or stammering the time frame-he stutters and stammers with regard to his recollections and what he did or said.

Between you and Hey Jude, your posts made me ralize something else. Once again, Davey "forgets" Evie Grace altogether (yet again) in "the last 45 minutes of Amanda's life". I'm not buying his whole we'd-named-the-baby-Everette-and-it-was-a-girl plot addition.

Hey Jude said...

Jen - I am not sure that the Blackburn family moved due to Davey's high school lie as he went on to say that he had to work hard to rebuild his reputation, or win back trust, and that even then his friends did not look at him in the way they had previously. I think the family moved some time following - he had to tough it out at the same high for at least some time, long enough to rebuild his reputation, win back trust. I don't remember his exact words.

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Thanks, Foolsfeedonfolly - yes, we only have the minimal information released by the coroner - if Davey has the full report, he has some more justifying and explaining of himself to do, along with preparation of his public for what was in it, and which later we will know - so that's what he is doing, and was trying to do in the PN interviews, IMO - the introduction of new details, things he has not said before is significant. The trial should be interesting - IF they have a proper defence attorney.

lynda said...

When you're dealing with gangbangers and hoodrats, they're not exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer. The 3 are in jail will never rat out AB. The fact that AB is out of jail leads me to believe he is also the CI. He is named in the warrant but the CI is not. I think AB is both which is why he is not in jail. I mean, do people not understand from the warrant that AB had prior knowledge of a murder, HID things from the crime at his house, admit that he told them to go back and pick him up after the murder, that JW left his house to go on this crime spree and never reported it?HE spoke to them DURING THE MURDER. That's a crime. AB is knee deep in this and continues to flaunt on his FB that he is dealing. Coincidentally, AB was also NOT arrested in the big Northside sweep of 20 some people. I would bet money he is also the CI or it is Donae. Either one.
I would also like to know why no one is talking about how they got the money from the ATM in the first place? They had to get the PIN numbers from Amanda. She probably didn't have them taped to the card. So was she held alive until all money was received? The CI said that when the others were at the bank, calls were made and he said he would kill her if they didn't come back. That puts the "shots heard" at a later time then stated. I think Amanda was shot in the head shortly before Davey pulled up, not 45 minutes before he came home. Davey and the gang almost crossed paths for Gods sake. Exactly when and how did they get the PIN numbers?? From Amanda OR DAVEY?

Hey Jude said...

I think you are right, Lynda - AB is the CI, his involvement seems too much to have not led LE to his door - it seems a bit like it would had LE overlooked Charles Manson's involvement in the Tate murders. Terrible to say, but I don't see how he can be so involved without also being part of it. Unless they did walk in on a murder scene - but then the gunshots were heard while Davey was out.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Thinking this through...

Davey said he left "about 6:00 a.m."- Is that verified? I seem to remember he/his car was caught leaving on a neighbor's home security camera, but I don't have time to look for it. Verification of that, anybody?

He's on video entering the gym at approximately 6:30 a.m. (the Affadavit Pg, 17 Paragraph 3 seems to confirm the LA Fitness arrival and departure times, but not Davey leaving the house). Is there parking lot video there? What clothing is he wearing upon entering and exiting?

So, Davey said on his blog entry, "I grabbed my gym clothes and headed for a workout". Many questioned why he would not already be wearing his gym clothes, if he was going directly to the gym for a workout. Davey is on camera leaving the gym at 7:10 a.m.- that's a 40 minute time period. Many questioned a 40 minute workout for someone so athletically-inclined and fitness/muscle-building conscious. If he worked out (he did not say he worked out- only that he was heading to work out and finished), it would have actually been less than a 40 minute workout because he would have had to change into his workout clothes first. If you've worked out religiously for years (verifiable by Twitter post history), were very fitness-focused, and were running late for your usual morning workout, which would you cut short...your workout routine that "pumped you" or your weekly phone call with a friend? Notice,in the latest interview with PN, the "grabbed my gym clothes" has now morphed into "grabbing my gym bag". Why grab the gym bag if you're not planning to change clothes or shower? If you're already wearing your workout clothes and "coming home to shower", why the need for the gym bag? What's in the gym bag?

Did he regularly change or shower at the gym? If he routinely did either and didn't this particular morning, why not? If working out was the the focus of his Tuesday long day (his words, his focal point) and he was heading to workout, wouldn't he have dressed at home so as not to waste his valuable gym time-especially knowing he had this pre-planned weekly appointment call with Kenneth Wagner? Did he routinely delay showering after his Tuesday workout to be outside in the driveway for 50 minutes chats with Kenneth Wagner? Davey said "It was a normal day..." up until the point of walking into a reality he would not wish on anyone.

Fm25 said...

I'm willing to bet the bag with laptop and 2 bags = his gym bag. He wouldn't trust these guys to dispose of it. I'm sure it had to much on it that could incriminate him and he would have wanted to dispose of it himself.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

lynda @ 12:34 PM May 3, 2016

Good catch, lynda! You said...

"I would also like to know why no one is talking about how they got the money from the ATM in the first place? They had to get the PIN numbers from Amanda. She probably didn't have them taped to the card. So was she held alive until all money was received? The CI said that when the others were at the bank, calls were made and he said he would kill her if they didn't come back. That puts the "shots heard" at a later time then stated....".
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The 1st ATM receipt was 6:38 a.m (transaction denied). A thug might hit or wound a victim to get a correct PIN number or account balance, but a through and through shot (close range) in the upper chest at that point could kill the victim- that wouldn't get you a PIN number or a balance. Taylor called Watson on Gordon's phone and talked numbers. Did they stay on the phone through the failed transaction, driving to the 2nd, and transacting the 2nd? How did Taylor and Alonzo Bull know Watson and Gordon were going to leave Taylor behind after the successful 2nd ATM transaction, unless Taylor called Bull or Watson & Gordon called Bull & said they weren't going back for Taylor?

The 2nd receipt was 6:58 a.m.- Neither Watson, Gordon,or Taylor would know until at least 6:55-6:57 that the transaction was going to go through successfully. Taylor wouldn't have killed Amanda without 1st making sure it was successful because the whole point of this was because they wanted more money and the 1st ATM was a failure. Amanda likely had to have been shot in the head after 6:55-6:58.

Looking at any living room pics on his Twitter account, Davey had to have walked into a hellish scene. There's no believable way he could not have known this wasn't a burglary-robbery-murder. She's shot through the chest at close range,face-down in a pool of blood.

flightfulbird said...

New SA post - Amanda Blackburn Murder Part One - thank you Peter !

https://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2016/05/amanda-blackburn-murder-part-one.html

Turner said...

I'm sorry. That is awful.

Turner said...

This is just mind-blowing. How do so many people here, including myself, see so many things that scream guilt and as far as we know, law enforcement doesn't? I check this blog often for updates on DB but leave so aggravated that he hasn't been THROWN IN JAIL, awaiting trial.
I also always have in my mind, maybe irrelevant, but how could this fool fool so many people. Amanda's mom gave an odd statement, her sister seemed odd, her father is odd, and if she wasn't, how could she marry such a man?

Sondra Benson said...

Didn't Blackburn originally say, he thought Amanda had hit her head on a kitchen counter?

rosy said...

Sondra Benson said...
at 12:38 PM

Didn't Blackburn originally say, he thought Amanda had hit her head on a kitchen counter?
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No, that's what Perry Noble said he THOUGHT had happened. That was the impression PN formed. PN thought Amanda had an accident and fell (to the floor) while standing on a chair or step stool, whatever, reaching for a high top cupboard in the kitchen.

I suppose it's an indication of how PN thinks about married women - as housewives. But it is not what PN said DB said.

He said: "For me, in the world that I live in, I thought, maybe she's climbed up on the kitchen cabinet trying to get something and she fell and hit her head."

Anonymous said...

This really bothered me from the beginning:

Detectives and a second crime lab team revisited the Blackburn home on Sunnyfield Court on Indianapolis' northwest side Wednesday night after releasing the house Tuesday back to the family.

A local professional commercial cleaning company had already been called in and had left the home by Wednesday afternoon.

http://www.wthr.com/story/30500485/autopsy-could-provide-more-details-of-womans-death-in-violent-home-invasion

So as is he sitting at his wife's bedside with friends and praying he arranged to have a commercial cleaning crew go in and clean the house?!?

flightfulbird said...

"So as is he sitting at his wife's bedside with friends and praying he arranged to have a commercial cleaning crew go in and clean the house?!?"

Arranging for a cleaning crew would've been the absolute LAST thing on my mind if I was sitting in a hospital with my husband on life support not knowing if he would live or die - UNLESS - I knew there was evidence that needed to be removed or wanted to cover my tracks - in which case it would have been the absolute FIRST thing on my mind.

Getting a cleaning crew into his house was obviously very high on Davey's list of priorities that day.

Anonymous said...

@flightfulbird

"Arranging for a cleaning crew would've been the absolute LAST thing on my mind if I was sitting in a hospital with my husband on life support not knowing if he would live or die - UNLESS - I knew there was evidence that needed to be removed or wanted to cover my tracks - in which case it would have been the absolute FIRST thing on my mind. "

Exactly!!!

DB: "And um, and so, um, the – the thing that I’ll never forget is in those twenty-four hours where we were waiting, um, all of her family, all of my family, we gathered around her hospital bed and we didn’t know what else to do but to worship."

apparently worship and call a professional cleaner.

flightfulbird said...

@ Anonymous - I reposted these last three posts over on the newer thread - more active discussion going on there - here is link -

https://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2016/05/amanda-blackburn-murder-part-one.html

Anonymous said...

Thank You

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