Friday, May 6, 2016

Amanda Blackburn Murder Ideology Part Two


Ideology is the basis for culture.  You may not ascribe to the ideology, but you have been greatly influenced by its outworking; that is, by culture. 

Your language reflects this. 

You have a culture in your nation.  You also have a culture in your home, at your place of work, along with any religious or social societies of which you belong.  

There are some cases in which the ideology, itself, is a direct and powerful influence upon the language, more so than just the culture.  

In understanding language, the culture is important.  In understanding the culture, the ideology should be, in the very least, something the analyst is familiar with.  

In the Amanda Blackburn murder, I am preparing analysis on the ideology and the culture and it is important but I have a very different reason for doing so than most might consider. 

I have reported many times regarding Islamic crime, but I rarely post articles (and teachings) about the contextual work within Statement Analysis.  Much of it is too complex for casual reading, and is part of a much larger teaching, point by point, element by element, in which the student is presented with a statement that has obvious cultural reference points where he or she must counter our own cultural bias and projection, in order to the get to the truth.  In the criminal activity in Europe, it is important to understand the ideology first, the culture next, and how this is thus reacted to by the host nation.  Generally, projection is first noted, but when this fails, deception enters to protect the narrative.  

It is complex, which means that it takes much to cover; far more than in a blog, but also it becomes something often misunderstood, which I have learned from some 'rebuttal' posts over the years. 

"Well, if you are saying this is cultural, than that means that in this other case..."

These "other cases" that are cited are often very simple cases where guilt is indicated, but the emotions run high.  It is as if to search for a reason why the analysis can't be right.  

Statement Analysis is very complex, and its simplest forms are posted here on the blog. They serve their purposes, including inspiring some to dedicate themselves to obtaining knowledge.   Those who do not grow beyond the blog cannot put their name on analysis for very long:  the first error will be the last and credibility is lost and the science indicted.  This was the result of the UK testing I have cited in the past.  Yet speak to one who has studied at length and listen to the confidence he or she shows in solving any case where human communication is not hindered, and then move on to the actual track record.  

It is impressive.  

I am privileged to work with professionals from all walks of life, who share a desire for truth.  Narrative trumps truth for many today, but not among the professional analysts.  They don't "have a dog in the fight" but if they feel they have a 'puppy', they readily talk about it, seeking to counter its influence.  

All of us 'root' for one thing or another, including a belief that this sports hero, or that politician will 'save the day.'  

It is also unpleasant when one is seen as deceptive. 

I recall an email I received years ago from a well educated, polite and respectful gentleman who happened to be a baseball fan who's love of the game is intense. 

He read my analysis of Ryan Braun's denial of PEDs.

He thought that Ryan Braun was "very persuasive" and used so many terms to "really prove" how he did not put a needle of hormones in his rear end. 

Mr. Braun's denial has become part of the "101 teaching" that is useful in introducing principle, and leading analysts to conclusions. 

His denial was goofy.  

It was, technically, "unreliable", which does not mean "deception indicated" for us.  

In his denial was embedded information, including that his PEDs were administered via needle, not some 'random infestation of Mexican or Chinese beef'; the latest excuse in professional sports.  

The statement, in its entirety, revealed one who:

a.  Used PEDs
b.  Had a tremendous need to persuade
c.  Cared about his reputation
d.  Had used, likely, for quite some time
e.  Was willing to not stop talking until the audience gave in;

but there was something else his statement and subsequent statements showed.  

It showed a willingness to bring harm to others, even if only castigating a Fedex employee.  

It may seem to be minor ("only") but the man who made $46,800 salary to support his family has lost far more than Braun's weekly paycheck of $46,800 during his suspension.  Consider the devastation for one to lose his job in this case, or in the attacks of Lance Armstrong where he sought to (and succeeded in some degrees) to destroy men and their entire businesses.  He sought to destroy one woman by impugning her reputation as a woman.  It was cruel, petty and it also revealed his own depths of just how low he would go, instinctively, to protect himself.  He called the Irish masseur a "whore" to the public, which included everyone in her field of employment (athletics) and it is unknown how this impacted 

This is a personality trait of a habitual liar; not a panic or embarrassed liar.  

The habitual liar is a life long deceiver, who learned early in childhood years, that he, himself, is more important than anyone else in the world.  He has honed his craft his entire life and it is now instinctive for him.  In any day by day situation, it is not his impulse to, for example, put others first before him.  This is the element of 'sacrifice' inherent in all societies:  one sacrifices, or one is sacrificed due to the inequality and complexity of life.  

The habitual or "pathological liar" will, whenever called upon, harm others to protect self.  At times, this desire to harm one who dares question, or who actually contradicts (such as a witness) is realized with action.  Sometimes the action is civil, other times it is in the form of a threat, intended to intimidate, frighten, or even coerce its target. Sometimes the action is violent.  But there is another element that is important in advanced analysis and profiling, to consider:  

Sometimes, this action of harm was not even necessary in the overall case, elevating the emotional demand for some form of 'satisfaction' over the insult.  

In interviewing pathological liars, it seems that no payment is enough.  They do not feel 'full' or 'complete' and the animosity may go underground (passive aggressive) and the need to insult remains.  This is sometimes evident in the words of praise:  a touch of vinegar masqueraded by a strong intellect. 

It was for revenge, and the emotional satisfaction the liar receives in seeing what he calls "justice."  It is not justice.  

Liars will emotionally bristle, for years, over those who dared disagree with them.  They harbor, nurture, and protect this bitterness, even as it may be taking years off their own lifespan, as something of great value. 

You lie. 

I lie.

We feel it, within, and have a need to "make things right." Sometimes this desire to make things right even takes years where we have put it out of our mind, but something arises and we feel a need to straighten that which our tongue made crooked.  This is a reflection from childhood. 

It is precisely what I use to protect companies against illicit claims.  

We cannot project this childhood lesson upon others lest we err in our final analysis and leave ourselves, the company, or the public at large, at serious risk. 

The liar lies, and he, too,  also has a need to "make things right" but not as you and I do.  He needs to 'even the score' or 'balance the books.'

Why?

Because the insult of not being believed is more than just an insult; it is an insult that brings him right back to childhood, and it strikes at the core of his very being. 

You have not disagreed with what he said:  you have exhaustively condemned who he is, as a human being. 

You and I do not 'hear' what he hears and with this in mind, consider the ancient proverb that talks of those who do not sleep unless they have brought trouble to someone. 

In the murder of Amanda Blackburn, the language of the victim's husband has not only been cited for deception, but noted for its bizarre nature.  Simply put, it is not expected for a grieving husband to use such distancing language from his wife that it appears "extreme", just as it is most unexpected for someone, in any field, to talk about 'business success' above and beyond linguistic concern for the two victims of this brutal murder.  

Religious Context 

Some have dismissed this as cultural (or ideological) while others think it is psychological disturbance, such as extreme narcissism joined to religious language. 

It is not. These do not understand the dynamics of a clash between ideology and personal gain.  

It will take some time to reach this point, and some effort on the part of readers to wade through detail.  I recognize that as a "blog", the expectation is short and to the point.  In this case, I think the high level of interest and emotions (note the length of sentences within the comments) justifies the content.  

This is what I hope to get readers to consider:

When one knows the truth of an ideology but deliberately treats it with deception ("deception" must include intent; as error or inaccuracy doesn't necessitate deception) for a discernible purpose, this activity reveals a very specific personality trait.  

When it is coupled with a strong intellect, it is even more pronounced. 

Without grasping this clash,  or contradiction, one will not understand the 'why' of the language in this murder case.  The theme of the upcoming article is this very thing:  what type of personality does it take to know the truth, and deliberately alter, edit, destroy, imbalance, or even negate, for a singular purpose, publicly, employing all of his skills and energy to do so?

Although this will be addressed in detail, it is not about legitimate differences and arguments among those who genuinely seek the truth.  

It is a pragmatic lie that is distinctly deceptive and it is for a singular purpose, and this purpose is employed publicly.  

For this classification, these elements must be present:

1.  Direct Knowledge
2.  Purposeful goal (pragmatism with resolve)  
3.  Very Strong Intellect 
4.   Courage, or element of fearlessness; not easily discouraged
5.   Unyielding position
6.  Public stance (which allows for public challenge).  This is important because any pragmatic view can be adopted without being challenged.  Consider what politicians have done the last few years when caught, hypocritically going directly against their words previously embraced.  Instead of being in the spotlight and being condemned as a hypocrite, they are praised.  Why?

"My position evolved."

This leaves one with no reference point, ever, for anyone, on any issue.  

With the element of religious ideology, it takes a very specific personality type to stand before public scrutiny and use deception.  

As we look at the ideology first, the deception second, and the results of the deception, we see a personality type emerge for us.  We take this with us as we analyze the words within the murder case to learn:

Do the words affirm this type?
Do the words deny this type?
Are the words indifferent?

With this answer, we then move on to the final analysis and conclusion. 

It gives a large portrait, yes, but more importantly, it allows the truth seeker to enter the shoes of the subject and understand his verbalized perception of reality in a much deeper and accurate manner.  

That which appears 'mysterious' loses some of the 'unknown' when the ideology conflict is recognized.  

It rectifies much for the listener.  

It is worth the study.  




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Anonymous said...

Bobcat you keep saying you and others must be "onto something" every time a stupid theory is called stupid. You need to make up your mind about which of the theories are "onto something." They can't all be correct, so it's stupid to keep saying people are "onto something."

Me2l said...

Lol anon....

So many outlandish theories have been projected here. It's become a comedy.

Anonymous said...

Random crazy commenter: "I think little green men from outer space were summoned to Earth by Davey. They disguised themselves as thugs and killed Amanda. In order to cover his tracks, Davey ate the little green men with some fava beans and a nice chianti."

Me: "That's stupid."

Bobcat: "Obviously the enemy is worried because we're onto something."

Me2l said...

......and that's SA, right?

Maggie said...

Don't give up hope...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3597530/Woman-publicly-mourned-husband-s-death-summer-charged-murder.html

Woman playing the grieving widow just arrested for husband's murder and nobody suspected her!

Imagrandma said...

I am sorry
If I ruffled any feathers

You see
I am no longer young

I am 102 years old
But one thing I have learned
Over this century

Is that people operate around self-interest
This is the

Motivating force

Why would Kenneth tweet about talking to Davey
If it werent to protect
His own ass

Riddle me that

Leslie said...

I do find that gun thrown in the neighbor's yard suspicious. But, Kenneth Wagner was, evidently, in Delaware, his home (you never know, though):

"I got a phone call (from someone), he explained what had happened to Amanda and then he said it happened last night. I said 'that's impossible because I talked to Davey this morning,'" said Wagner."

and

Wagner, who is pastor of United Church in Delaware, is first mentioned in the affidavit of probable cause against Amanda's suspected killer, Larry Jo Taylor Jr., 18, and his accomplice, Jalen Watson, 21. A copy of the document was shared with The Christian Post by the Marion County Prosecutor's Office on Tuesday.

From:
http://www.christianpost.com/news/davey-blackburn-indiana-pastor-talking-college-roommate-wife-amanda-lay-dying-150934/


Me2l said...

I have observed that, over the course of this thread discussion, the majority of reasonable, intelligent posters have left the building. Remaining are no more than three or four people who are prone to fantasizing. Left to their own devices, they've made a mockery out of the legitimate SA tool, while illustrating they have no concept or clue of what Peter is teaching.

102? LOLOL

I don't believe that. More fantasy.

Imagrandma said...

Leslie me dear

Thank you for the link
I am going to review it

And for telling me that Kenneth Wagner was
Supposedly in Delaware

One thing

Kenneth Wagner
Likes to retweet
Tweets
From Anthony MacDonald
Who tweeted
That

Ominous Tweet
The day before
Sweet Amanda
Was killed

Here is His
Twitter
https://mobile.twitter.com/kennethwagner?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

And Me2l

You sure are a snippy thing!
I am 102 years old
And very proud of it
You
Angry angry

Man

Bobcat said...

Here is Peter's analysis of Kenneth Wagner's "sermon"

http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2015/11/kenneth-wagnor-statement-analysis.html

Peter did not post analysis of this portion:

"I got a phone call (from someone), he explained what had happened to Amanda and then he said it happened last night. I said 'that's impossible because I talked to Davey this morning,'" said Wagner.
"I began to hope, pray that it was impossible, that it wasn't reality. The texts begin to flood. The calls begin to flood, and I realized it was true. So I go home and walk in the house and tell Sherry 'I've got horrible news,'" he said.


Kenneth is the only one who says "last night" in describing the crime. Why?
Kenneth changes from past to present tense in his storytelling.

Me2l said...

"Bobcat said...
https://www.facebook.com/amber.b.wilkinson/posts/10209140804378984

Amanda's sister Amber has written another beautiful story. DB is NOT tagged."

No, but Amber mentioned Davey in her post.

There is no need to misrepresent. Davey sufficiently incriminates himself without any help.

Bobcat said...

Me2l @ 8:19,

My bad. I hadn't read it all the way through. She appears to have drunk the Davey koolaid.

Imagrandma said...

Bobcat
Has Noted something
Extremely
Important

Bobcat said

"Kenneth is the only one who says "last night" in describing the crime. Why?
Kenneth changes from past to present tense in his storytelling."

Would I be stepping out
On a limb
To also
Ask if Kenneth saying "began to flood"
"Began to flood"
Could be a water indicator
Indicating sexual abuse/rape

Or even refer to Amanda
Bleeding
From her wounds
Which he may have witnessed
Or caused?

Anonymous said...

^^^ not really ima.grandma ^^^

Leslie said...

Bobcat, I think when news was circulating about Amanda, emotions were strong, details got changed, or blanks were filled in incorrectly. I took KW's "last night" comment as someone called him about Amanda's shooting, and said it happened the night before. False information. Kind of like the old-fashioned telephone gossip game. And, we know PN was told Amanda had an "accident," and he wrongly assumed she hit her head on kitchen cabinet (or fell?). KW doesn't really explain the "last night" comment, but, that was my take.

However, there are SO many fishy things about DB and so many of his associates. My mind is open, at this point.

- - - - - - - - - - -

I've come across an article in a denomination's newspaper by an ex-minister with some pretty funny and accurate observations about pastors, "Things Pastors, Preachers, and Priests Should Never Do." Following are some snippets:

Don't think that everything you come up with should be seen as emanating from God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit and the apostles or prophets. It just might be that you're looking for a way to justify your own thinking, ego and agenda.
Get over the idea that the Bible is speaking about you in Ezekiel or Revelation. It is not.

...The people who sit in their audiences and take this stuff on the chin really puzzle me.

Don't make your standards the equivalent of God's as you understand Him. The foods you like are not the foods God likes. Jesus doesn't drive your brand of car, and Paul would not envy your taste in clothes. The angels do not think your color scheme is fabulous.

Keep your sermons on point. Jesus probably won't return before you have another go at it next week....
Also, it's best not to say stupid things if you can help it.

Don't decree privately, and certainly not publicly, about frequency, positions and locations. It's none of the church's business, certainly not yours.

These matters are none of your business, even if Paul expresses his opinion that the only reason to get married is to avoid fornication.

Forget about lunch with the successful, the rich, the nice, the stable and the easy to talk with. They will BS you anyway, and they don't want to be encouraged. They want to get back to work and make bucks.

http://www.thejournal.org/issues/issue128/things-pastors-preachers-priests-should-never-do.html


Imagrandma said...

Also
SCAN
Would highlight this statement as sensitive highlighting the BECAUSE and the portion of the statement preceding "Because" as potentially deceptive


I said 'THAT"S IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE I talked to Davey this morning,'" said Wagner.

Me2l said...

My, my.

In this thread, everyone even remotely acquainted with Amanda and/or Davey has been "in on" the murder.

Is Meg still guilty? Or did she become innocent?

How about Amanda's dad? Is he still involved?

Is Ashley's guilt disappearing?

You people are slipping, though. I don't believe you've yet implicated Amber.

Step it up.

IMagrandma said...

Kenneth Wagner said

I began to hope, pray that it was impossible, that it wasn't reality. The texts begin to flood. The calls begin to flood, and I realized it was true. So I go home and walk in the house and tell Sherry 'I've got horrible news,'" he said.

SO I go home and walk in the house

Scan would high light SO and the statement before it,

Kenneth did not go home and walk in the house to give his wife the bad news because he had been, finally, convinced of it.
SCAN tells us that is false.

Kenneth went home and told his wife because the news was out and the timing was right to go home, not because he had to be convinced.

He already knew.

Leslie said...

Maggie @6:47, thanks for posting the link and giving hope!

Imagrandma said...

Me2l

There were several involved

Several who knew

Anthony MacDonald's ominous tweet proves that.

You cannot convince me in my old age and in

My wisdom that MacDonald's tweet was a
"Coincidence"

My gracious
The text is disturbing


Kenneth--Davey phonecall is alibi building for both Kenneth and Davey.
In fact
Bobcat's quote from Wagner
Is Alibi building
No different than Patsy Ramsey's
"I was sleeping
And then found the note
Lying on the second stair


Ashley and her stoner hubby knew

And is that really surprising?
They have moved right in with Davey
And his algae-filled pool?

We are dealing with a cult
Essentially.

Bad Juju said...

Me21, sadly, people did express suspicions about Amber early in the case. She had the same haircut as Amanda, so, ya know, clearly she was getting it on with Davey and wanted to be rid of her sister. Also because of her Facebook post shortly after Amanda was killed ... she wasn't grieving properly and talked about Davey too much.

Bad Juju said...

So I guess the new "Imagrandma" is actually HISG? Because the real ima.grandma is super busy spamming another thread at the moment.

The cult comment and Patsy Ramsey thing sounds exactly like HISG.

Imagrandma said...

Bad Juju
I don't know what you mean

I thought of Patsy Ramsey
Because she used sleeping as an alibi

Wagner is going overboard
To feign ignorance of the crime
My heavens he didn't know
He was on the phone with Davey in the morning!

Don't you get it?
In both cases
the crime was done during the night

If you'll excuse me
I need to go read a probable cause document
which involves statements regarding Kenneth Wagner

At least I am trying to solve this case
Unlike you
Doubting Thomases!!!!!

Anonymous said...

http://www.christianpost.com/news/davey-blackburn-indiana-pastor-talking-college-roommate-wife-amanda-lay-dying-150934/


Wow, absolutely bizarre, at 10:00 in the video, Wagner says that if Amanda was still alive and could give Davey one gift, it would be a box and he would open it up and there would be "hope" inside.

How very ironic. Why don't you guys go over to the most recent Ayla Reynolds thread and read Peter's analysis of Phoebe saying that the last thing inside Pandora's box for her family is hope.

Go read his analysis of that.

This is language used by the guilty.

Me2l said...

"Ima.grandmaMay 18, 2016 at 1:04 AMi can only copy 32 words at a time in my browser: every name ive found is directly connected to the AFB. copy the below into your browser. all the other names i have connect the same way.

AFB "*.heavener" "*.byars" "*.wagner" "*.mitchell" "*.bowerman" "*.walton" "*.mccann" "*.carter" "*.markham" "*.blackburn" "*.steed" "*.barrett" "*.reynolds" "DiPietro" "*.elvis" "*.dunn" "*.adkins" "*.anderson" "*.cooper" "*.kampfer" "*.ostrander" "*.jones" "*.young" "*.walker" "*.norwood"

"*.singleton"
http://www.tngs.org/ansearchin/pdf/1990-4.pdf

ive had a big shock today. im hurting. for myself, my mother, my sisters, my brothers, my aunts, my uncles, my cousins, my grandmothers, my daughters, my granddaughters, my sons. for all of us. im calling around for counseling tomorrow. we are all going to need help coping with the discovery. i dont know what to do with this information, its still seeping in. so many questions ive had about my very very large extended family. why we look so similar. why so many names are duplicates, why i have relatives on both sides of my family that were married to one another, why..."

Here's why I don't believe you, imagrandma. If you're 102, how old is your mother?

That quote from you above is from another thread, where you've literally spammed it with nonsensical post after post.....at least 10 in a row, meaninglessly rambling about yourself.

Don't talk about trying to solve this case. All you are is self indulgent....using this blog as your personal therapy session.

Since you're deceptive about your age, you have no credibility about anything else either.

Me2l said...

And BTW, you're calling around for counseling for your grandmother? If you're 102, your mother may be around 120, and your grandmother nearing 140?

Poor Peter. He doesn't deserve his blog being compromised this way.

Me2l said...

" Anonymous said...
http://www.christianpost.com/news/davey-blackburn-indiana-pastor-talking-college-roommate-wife-amanda-lay-dying-150934/


Wow, absolutely bizarre, at 10:00 in the video, Wagner says that if Amanda was still alive and could give Davey one gift, it would be a box and he would open it up and there would be "hope" inside.

How very ironic. Why don't you guys go over to the most recent Ayla Reynolds thread and read Peter's analysis of Phoebe saying that the last thing inside Pandora's box for her family is hope.

Go read his analysis of that.

This is language used by the guilty."

No, it isn't "language used by the guilty." You've missed the point of what Peter said regarding Ayla's grandmother.

The grandmother referred to Pandora's Box. Maybe you don't know what that means. I'll let you google it. It's not just a box, and the analysis was not about finding hope in a box.

Good grief. It's disheartening to see the lack of understanding and comprehension. Some of you go off on wild tangents at the drop of a hat and without any link to reason.

Imagrandma said...

You angry young man
Me2l

I was born before there were motor cars,
Before phones
When you could see every star in the sky
Stunning in their brilliancy

Because we had no electric lights

My father hitched a horse to a wagon
Every day
To take me to school
There were no chalkboards
WE wrote our letters in the dirt
While chickens pecked around us

When we were ill
As I once was
With scarlet fever
The town doctor would ride his fastest boar
To come check on us

I come from a time far before yours
Mel2

I may not be as snappy or sharp as you
But I have seen the world change
In ways
You could never understand

My wisdom is ingrained
It flows through me
Like syrup through an oak tree

Something your generation
Would not understand

Buying prepackaged syrup

Love,
Imagrandma


Me2l said...

You're 102. You're going to seek counseling for your mother; your grandmother.

I don't think it's SA that shows deception there; it's just common sense.

Imagrandma said...

Me2l

I read your
Angry retort to
Anon

I assure you
Although i am 102
I am well aware of
Pandora's Box

My teacher
Prudence Gayheart
Had such a fondness for
Greek mythology

She always looked so proud
In her neat bonnet
Reciting the names of the
Greek Gods
And Goddesses

Me2l
What is it really
That pains you?


My ancient heart detects you are sad
Over a woman
And you have come here
For help
Perhaps you
Need some type of
Analysis

Some type of counsel
But you cling
To your intellect
Young man please set aside your pride
And tell us what
Is really wrong

Love,
Imagrandma

Me2l said...

I was replying to anon about Pandora's box. Why are you acting as if you and I were discussing it?

Leslie said...

Kudos to Anonymous @ 9:23 for delving deeper, watching KW's guest preacher video (which was the morning of Amanda's celebration of life service), contemplating the possible meaning of the box of hope, and comparing it to the comment Ayla's grandmother made about hope being all that would be left if their pandora's box was opened. I am aware of the significance of pandora's box, and that is something different than what KW was speaking. Never-the-less, Anan was thinking outside the box (pun intended), and adding to the discussion (which has rapidly been deteriorating).

Furthermore, Anon nicely encouraged people on this thread to check out Peter's newest post. That's to be commended, not bashed, IMO.

Some of us are newbies and unpracticed in SA. Suggestions are welcomed, but, not demeaning name calling or harsh criticism, particularly when one is trying.

Me2l said...

You'll just have to deal with it. Toughen up.

Imagrandma said...

Me2l

I don't know why
But I took your comments to anon
Quite personally

It could be because I loved my teacher
Prudence so
Who taught us about the Greeks

Alas

I noticed you deflected
From my question
By asking me a question

You don't have to share if you don't
Want to
I can't help but pick up on these things
These matters of the heart
You will see when you reach your upper 90's

Me2l said...

This thread has become very frustrating with all the off-the-wall storytelling and fantasies, having nothing whatsoever to do with getting to the truth of the case.....if there IS a hidden to truth to reveal.

Those who literally take over the thread with spamming and unrealistic ridiculousness are distracting.

Me2l said...

How old is your mother, imagrandma?

Anonymous said...

Hickory dickory dock.

Imagrandma is not ima.grandma.

And the fork ran away with the spoon.

Bobcat said...

Back to Ken Wagner's funeral talk.

"I got a phone call (from someone), he explained what had happened to Amanda and then he said it happened last night. I said 'that's impossible because I talked to Davey this morning,'" said Wagner.
"I began to hope, pray that it was impossible, that it wasn't reality. The texts begin to flood. The calls begin to flood, and I realized it was true. So I go home and walk in the house and tell Sherry 'I've got horrible news,'" he said.

Kenneth changes from past to present tense in his storytelling.
He may be complicit in DB's alibi.
A full transcript will come soon.

Me2l said...

The assumption being DB needs an alibi.

That hadn't been established.

Sally said...

Bobcat,

Also, when Wagner tells about being told of Amanda's death he says he was "sitting eating lunch".
The fact that he mentions body posture (sitting) indicates inner tension.

Bobcat said...

Me2l,

We don't know what DB said to Ken that prompted the tweet (phone call alibi) that morning.

The SA on Ken's "story" is concerning.

Me2l said...

"Sitting and eating lunch" has been said in conjunction with events by the likes of Abraham Lincoln, Anthony Scalia, Wyatt Earp, and John F.Kenbedy, to name a few.

Anonymous said...

Sometimes people switch to present tense when reliving something traumatic.

Didn't Peter analyze Kenneth Wagner's statement? He's the pro.

CJ said...

The format utilized by Faux Imagrandma is growing on me.

Here's an excerpt from way back when:

How did we end up here?
How in the world did we end up
in the situation
that we found ourselves?

I think
in a room this size
if I was to begin to ask
some of the tragedy
and pain
that some of you guys have experienced,
some of the things that you’ve gone through in your life,
some of the, the,
the kind of the happenstance of,
of things, that,
the journey that, that, that you have,
you’ve gone down in your life,
I think there would be some of us
and the majority of us in the room,
that we’ve all had a moment where we would say
how in the world did I end up here?
Would anybody agree with me?

Like whether, you’d be driving
and you’re like you’re, you’re the guy
so you don’t use the GPS,
You know like, “I got this.”
You know what I’m sayin’?
And, the men are real quiet.
The ladies are like
nudging their husbands.
But you, you think you’ve been driving
and you find yourself, like,
how did we end up here?

Or you’re in a relationship
and it was a destructive relationship
and you found yourself
asking this question:
how, did, I end up, here?
And this morning I want you to know this,
is that you’re not alone.
That if you find yourself in this situation,
exactly where I am speaking of,
where you would say
“I have no clue how I ended up here,”
this week,
from this phone call on Tuesday,
getting in the car at 3:00 pm in, in,
in Delaware,
in Dover Delaware,
and driving to Indianapolis, Indiana
and praying
and begging God for a miracle
and just saying
How, did we end up, here?
How, did we end up here?”

Kenneth Wagner excerpt, Sunday Service at ResonateIndy, Nov. 15, 2016


Imagrandma said...

Me2l,

You're full of sh*T.
You are just here because you are bitter
About something.

You have never analyzed anything.
Everyone who has stuck in this long on this thread has
At least fairly
Sophisticated knowledge of statement analysis
and has shown that
By identifying within this case
Important SA indicators

Except yourself
You have never once
Shown anyone here
You can analyze anything or that
You have any knowledge of SA

You talk a big game like
You are so protective of Peter's blog
And the "legitimate tool of statement analysis"

But I can tell you know little
If anything
About statement analysis.

All you do is wait for us to analyze something
And then jump on us and say how stupid we are.

I don't believe you know shit about
Statement analysis.

Imagrandma said...

CJ,

Interesting. I like it.

The poetic form makes it easier
Sometimes
To find meaning.

Me2l said...
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Me2l said...

Further, there is NO statement analysis in this thread, except from Peter. All people do here is create wild scenarios and throw them out as theories.

That is not SA.

Anon "I" said...

Outside of Narcissism, I'm thinking pride (which is a frequent trait of our time). PK's (preacher's kids) are often put under extraordinary pressure to keep up appearances. He has taken "keeping up with the Jones'" to new heights. He seems to have a compulsive need to have everyone in awe of his greatness in every arena. It's almost like God promoted him only because God can appreciate how wonderful Davey is in real life. (Gag) His pride and "keeping up appearances" make everything he says and does justifiable so that he doesn't look bad. He can sacrifice any opinion of Amanda just as long as she is propping up his greatness. DB seems to do and say anything that will make him rise above mere mortals. The good news for justice here is that the Bible says "Pride cometh before a fall." I believe Davey is about to land on his pompus rear end... because it turns out that God might not be as impressed with Davey as Davey is with Davey.

Hey Jude said...



http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/davey-blackburn-shares-moving-message-on-amandas-due-date

Davey Blackburn shares moving message on Amanda's due date
TheIndyChannel.com Staff
6:41 AM, May 19, 2016
3 hours ago

Wednesday was Amanda Blackburn's due date.

Blackburn, and her unborn child, were killed during a home break-in on Nov. 10, 2010. On the day that her child was to be born, May 18, her husband Davey wrote a touching message about being a father.

In an Instagram post, Davey wrote:

Today I would have been a dad of two. Today was Evie Grace's due date. Although I never met her I loved her more than I ever thought I could love a little one.

Davey has been taking care of their first child, Weston, since Amanda's death.

In the post, Davey said he reads a note from Amanda for inspiration about being a good father.



Enclosed in the envelop is a note Amanda wrote Weston before he was born. It was entitled "Weston I want to tell you about your daddy." I keep it beside my bed to pull out and read on those days I need inspiration to keep being a good dad. Today I would have been a dad of two. Today was Evie Grace's due date. Although I never met her I loved her more than I ever thought I could love a little one. I never could wrap my mind around how one could love 2 kids equally until the day Amanda told me she was pregnant again. In that moment my heart expanded to twice it's original capacity. I love you Evie Grace and I can't wait to see you and your beautiful mommy again one day. Happy Birthday, sweetie!

He said in April that he's decided to forgive the men who killed his wife.

"What I realized is that forgiveness is a decision. And it's not just a one-time decision. It's a daily decision. I have to wake up and I have to decide to forgive. And here's why I decided to decide to forgive. It's because bitterness and unforgiveness is going to be a cancer to no one else except for me. And it's going to eat me up inside if I hold on to that."

Statement Analysis Blog said...

He will ride her death and milk it for all its worth.

Truth will emerge.

Anonymous said...

I can't help but wonder how Davey knew the last time West on saw his mother. He wasn't there for a long period the next morning. He never said if Amanda or West on were awake. West on could have seen Amanda checking on him the next morning, or protecting her child. Yes, alot of information is left out. But he knows the last time West saw his mommy was the night before when she tucked him in. There is no evidence against Davey, because the police didn't gather any. They immediately said he was not involved, so all phone and computer evidence was lost. Amanda ' s journals were tampered with. They didn't test Weston for being drugged to stay asleep. If Amanda was sex u ally abused, they have never said, and if DNA from davey was found in her, they believed that was a normal couple having marital relations. They have not questioned his behavior or taken a polygraph. I do think this had something to do with the police being members of the church, as well as the reporter. I'm sure if she had asked him any questions that made him sound suspicious, he had a way of letting her know she was not supposed to insult the great pastor of Resonate. I also thing P had something to do with being a character witness that made the police back off. It makes me sick that nothing was looked into, and that he will get away with this, unless it happens again. Just had to jump in and give my opinion that I've been upset with how things have gone in this case. I wish an investigator or news person would set a fire under the police and prosecuter to demand a better look at what's gone on. Thank you Peter, for not allowing these cases to be ignored. I enjoy reading all the comments here, it's like reading a crime book, but it's real life! And the story never ends until something is done about the fact that someone may be getting away with murder.

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