Tuesday, May 3, 2016

Amanda Blackburn Murder Part One: Understanding Ideology

We have a murder case investigation that went cold shy 20 years ago, for analysis, that we have been working on.  

The analysis has solved the case, and I believe it is going to end with justice in court.  Knowing who did it is the first step and Statement Analysis has been the single best tool employed, but now what is known must be proven, and in enters forensic experts while the critical interview with the subject is being prepared, as well as collateral interviews gathering information that has affirmed the findings of the investigation. 

It is not a case that is public, but like so many that we do, it is private and when justice is served, none of the analysts who devoted hard work and concentration will receive any public recognition.  

They will know.  

They will feel a great sense of satisfaction and they will say, "all the hard work, not only done here, but in the years of study, testing, preparation and practice, were worth it."

This will be followed by, "What's our next case?" with an eagerness to get back to work.  

Success can be its own reward, but when coupled with justice, there is something deep within human nature that is satisfied when injustice is defeated.  

Statement Analysis takes a subject's verbalized perception of reality, breaks it down into very small parts, examines all the parts, and comes to a conclusion.  Behind all these tiny parts is a belief system that the subject holds. Behind this belief system is his culture.  Behind his culture is a founding ideology.  

Therefore, when we seek to understand one's verbalized perception of reality, we must attempt to learn some basic elements about his belief system, as formed by culture and ideological influences.  Recently, analysts were charged with a cold case murder in which the subject chose to begin his statement 70 years earlier than the date of the murder:  the Great Depression.  This is a priority for him.  He began his statement with a portrait of the victim with the backdrop of the depression of the 1930's, and moved on to the victim being an unwed mother and welfare.   

This is to have a very different cultural view than it does today.  If we enter the statement with the projection of acceptance of these two elements in our culture, we will not understand nor discern if the subject is justifying murder, or showing sympathy for the victim.  There were specific widely held views on both of these topics back then, which reflected the larger ideology that stood behind it.  If you did not know the ideological beliefs, you would not have known if the subject was playing the role of prosecutor or defense attorney...or, as is the case of intimate murder, where deep internal conflicting drives and impulses are in play, both. 

Murderers often find a way to subtly blame their victim, or justify the killing because the victim "deserved" to be murdered. 

This is the mirror opposite of one of the most prolific sentiments expressed today at a shocking murder, such as the Amanda Blackburn murder:  

"She did not deserve to die this way!"  or anything similar.  

In fact, this is an "expected" in analysis, and it is not nullified by religious faith which does not want to indict God, yet recognizes that in the definition of "God", all things are under His control, including death and evil, yet trust (faith) is demanded.  In the Amanda Blackburn murder, this was a typical defense reaction to the distancing (and even indifferent) statements made by the victim's husband. It takes time to process a shocking murder.  

You might say that every murder comes as a shock, but it is not true for those who hold guilty knowledge.  Even those of faith, not willing to indict God with sin (see the ancient book of Job) will lament the way the victim died.  Not willing to lie and alter "God" (destroying the definition) they still feel the shock of such an unnatural death and the language shows this.  Years later, with much processed, the words may begin to soften.  But when there is no "shock", the "shocking" after events, such as forgiveness, are not so very surprising and give us a strong sense of theater, rather than extraordinary faith.  In fact, in the Judeo-Christian ideology (speaking of the Amanda Blackburn murder), there is no statement or promise within the ideology (as found in the Bible) that any "release from the pressure tension or conflict in living the Christian life." Instead, faith is a reaction, or a coping mechanism, where the intellect cannot grasp infinity, and must then trust. This theme, to the contrary, is promised or referenced throughout, both by precept and by example.  Perhaps the greatest single example of this comes from the shortest sentence of the Bible.  In this claim, Christ knew that He was to be unjustly accused, tried and condemned to death and that Jerusalem, the marvelous beautiful city which hosted His Father's Word for centuries, would soon, in just a generation, be destroyed, with even the gorgeous temple torn down, block by block, in the coming invasion and slaughter by 70 AD. 

He claimed to be God, (definition:  all knowing, all controlling, all powerful, perfection, eternal, etc) yet in considering what heartache awaited the inhabitants, with their wealthy properties and beautiful edifices about to become worthless as some would run for their lives while most would not survive, it says, "Jesus wept."

This is the answer of 'hyper faith' or 'superman' rather than being utterly devastated by the murder of the "one half of one person" (marriage) when Amanda was cruelly killed.

The Ideology 

I have written that Islam is the world's most successful criminal ideology in human history, eclipsing the inherent theft within communism/socialism, dwarfing the less than 2 decade run of national socialism, and shadowing any specific regime's run of evil.  

No ideology has been more powerful in overcoming entire countries. 
No ideology has led to more specific crimes, including sexual assaults. 
No ideology has been more insulated from reform than Islam.  To even criticize it, no less reform it, calls for the death penalty.  Also, in mimicking the Protestant Reformation, the call was to return to "sola Scriptura" and most people do not want Islam to "reform" by returning to the teaching of the Koran or the life of Mohammad.  This is where rape is taught, even in the religious 'reward' element, and jihad is explicit, including by migration into a land.  

What is lost in all of this is the notion of impact of an ideology, and how this impact shows itself in language.  It is critical for analysts to understand the various cultural ideologies and how they eventually show themselves in action; highlighted for us, specifically, in the verbalized perception of reality. 

With this in mind, I wish to examine  the world's major ideologies and how the verbalized perception of reality has been impacted.  It is important to consider, as we begin, that this is about an ideology and its impact; not about faith, nor religion, though all major ideologies have religious beliefs.  The issue is not "jihad", for in any war, only a small percentage of a population actually fights as soldiers.  The issue is the ideology, itself, that calls for the destruction of others.  If only 1% actually believe the ideology, this is to say, 1,000,000 people today are jihadists.  For 1400 years, this ideology has brought death and destruction; not progress, not civil rights, not justice, not arts, education, nor literature.  It is not 'bad luck', nor is it 'bad genes' or any form of racist belief.  It is the ideology, and how the ideology impacts those within a culture, whether or not they believe the teachings.  

We begin with Christianity, the outworking of Judaism.  This is "Judeo-Christian" thought.  

If you wish to understand the words, you must understand the person.
If you wish to understand the person, you must view the culture.
If you view the culture, you must view the ideology and how it impacts those living with it. 

As we turn to study the murder of Amanda Blackburn, I will give a brief understanding of the ideology that influences the language as well as influence how we react to the statements.  

We will view the basic ideology and the personality of those who simultaneously claim the ideology, while personally opposing it.  

We will view those who do not affirm the ideology, but nevertheless are strongly influenced by it.  A classic example is in the moral argument.  A British comedian, for example, Pat Condel, posts effective videos on You Tube decrying the Islamization of his country and the world at large.  He condemns Islamic ideology by employing Judeo-Christian ideology that he grew up within, and when he is done, he adds in his condemnation of Christianity.  

He uses principle borrowed from Christianity effectively (and accurately) and then condemns the very tools he used, grew up in, and directly benefited from.  He does not understand the 'history of thought' for himself, and for others.  

In fact, the ignorance of the history of thought is a main element within all biological racism.  If those who look upon ignorance and barbaric practice, knew their own history, they'd be incapable of believing in their own genetic superiority.  

To understand the Blackburn murder, we examine the language of the surviving spouse.  We do have some of the victim's language, but it is not about the murder.  The spouse's language has been key to understanding his verbalized perception of reality.  It is his. It is uniquely his.  

We believe what we are told unless strong evidence arises to confront this belief.  

It is critical to understand the driving ideology behind him, any bastardization of the ideology, (and why this is done) as well as his own ambitions, in order to get a full linguistic profile and insight into what happened to Amanda Blackburn. 

Next up:  The Ideology as the backdrop of the murder.  

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Heisgay said...

Molly,

I just read through your other posts. Not all sin is equal...you gossipping does not equal Davey murdering. Davey should actually be CAST OUT of the church. Yes, God did befriend outcasts. Davey, however, is not an outcast. Rather he is the most popular and powerful person at the church. The Bible contains many references where an unrepentant evil man is actually to be cast out. The Bible does not encourage delusional thinking about evil. Think of Christ in the desert. When Lucifer tempts him and promises him the world, does he give Lucifer a hug or does he say "Satan be gone!"

Fm25 said...

Molly, the reason I asked that question was because davey has said that God planned this so his church could come to life. Here is a quote from his sermon at Phil byars church:

"I had a thought this morning in the shower. And felt like the Lord spoke to my heart and said: 'Davey, I want my church, I want my bride to come alive. And if I had asked you, Davey, before this if you were willing to give up your bride so that my bride can come alive, what would you have said?
Of course, like anybody else I said 'absolutely not. There is no way.' I'm good with being married and having two little kids, pastoring a church of 120 for the rest of my life. I am good with comfort. And the Lord said, 'That's why I didn't ask you the question beforehand.' Because sometimes when you say, I surrender all, you mean I surrender some. So you are put in a situation where you have to surrender all.'
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Peter did a great analysis on this sermon a while back. He has continued to preach a similar message. I am quite sure my God would not have to take someone like Amanda and her unborn child to bring his church to life. I do not believe God is using Davey for a greater cause because Davey is a false prophet. If you have listened to or seen his sermons I consider him outright dangerous. Just because someone claims to be a man of God does not mean they are. We have to use the brains our good Lord gave us and call out false prophets for what they are.

flightfulbird said...

Bringing this over from the previous thread -

Anonymous said May 5 , 2016 at 11:50am -

This really bothered me from the beginning:

Detectives and a second crime lab team revisited the Blackburn home on Sunnyfield Court on Indianapolis' northwest side Wednesday night after releasing the house Tuesday back to the family.

A local professional commercial cleaning company had already been called in and had left the home by Wednesday afternoon.

http://www.wthr.com/story/30500485/autopsy-could-provide-more-details-of-womans-death-in-violent-home-invasion

So as is he sitting at his wife's bedside with friends and praying he arranged to have a commercial cleaning crew go in and clean the house?!?
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flightfulbird responded May 5, 2016 at 2:13pm (quoting Anonymous)

"So as is he sitting at his wife's bedside with friends and praying he arranged to have a commercial cleaning crew go in and clean the house?!?"

Arranging for a cleaning crew would've been the absolute LAST thing on my mind if I was sitting in a hospital with my husband on life support not knowing if he would live or die - UNLESS - I knew there was evidence that needed to be removed or wanted to cover my tracks - in which case it would have been the absolute FIRST thing on my mind.

Getting a cleaning crew into his house was obviously very high on Davey's list of priorities that day.

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Anonymous responded May 5, 2016 at 4:15pm

@flightfulbird

"Arranging for a cleaning crew would've been the absolute LAST thing on my mind if I was sitting in a hospital with my husband on life support not knowing if he would live or die - UNLESS - I knew there was evidence that needed to be removed or wanted to cover my tracks - in which case it would have been the absolute FIRST thing on my mind. "

Exactly!!!

DB: "And um, and so, um, the – the thing that I’ll never forget is in those twenty-four hours where we were waiting, um, all of her family, all of my family, we gathered around her hospital bed and we didn’t know what else to do but to worship."

apparently worship and call a professional cleaner.

flightfulbird said...

I imagine Davey called the professional cleaner first before he could keep his mind on worshiping around Amanda's bed.

Sort of like how he wanted (demanded) to have sex before going out to dinner with Amanda so he could keep his mind on their conversation while they were eating and not be thinking about sex the whole time.

Anonymous said...

You don't know that Davey called the professional cleaner. It could have been a friend or family member who called. But don't let that stop ya from pretending you know!

Fm25 said...

With the pregnancy quotes, anyone have any thoughts about the one with the "pregnant church". Such a strange word choice. Also in sermon where he announces pregnancy there's a whole lot of stuttering as he gets to worrying about the fragility of a new church.
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Also where he says instead of worrying about your kids you should lift it up and surrender it to Jesus. Just like God wanted him to surrender it all so his church could come to life.
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These statements kind of make me think just the baby was a target but then I read his latest blog about presenting Amanda to God holy and blameless and I'm just dumbfounded. Did he really just say that and why are more people not seeing all these red flags. Plus how many mind shifting convos with God is he going to tell us about before people realize they are being manipulated. Didn't he already have these revelations in the shower back in November?

Bradbury said...

A close friend of mine was a victim of sexual assault. Her car was impounded by the police and processed for evidence. Even after all available evidence had been collected and the car was returned to her, it sat untouched in her garage for weeks. She told me she was terrified that she would finally get rid of it and the police would call and say they needed to see it again. (It was basically the crime scene.) She said her number one priority was doing whatever she had to do to make sure the guy was caught and as painful as it was to keep the car, she did just in case.

Also unlike Davey, she was terrified the guy would come back to kill her and she moved back home with her parents until the guy was finally caught.

Anonymous said...

Thanks imagrandma,

Peter, why is this telling?

Peter said...
Could you please provide a direct and complete quote?

https://daveyblackburn.com/2016/05/04/i-loved-her-first/

DB:" He reminds me so much of Amanda. In fact, they are the EXACT same person! There were times when Amanda would laugh and her face would practically morph into her dad’s face! (It made it really difficult to kiss her in those moments – which I’m sure dad secretly relished)."

Anonymous said...

There has been some conjecture about the gym bag containing Davey's computer.

If Amanda and a friend were receiving weekly updated lists of Davey's Internet searches, would the stolen computer still generate the reports to Amanda and the friend's computer, from the thief's search history?

I'm surprised tech savvy Davey didn't have a "find my computer" app.

What a convenient coincidence, from what we know about Davey's propensity to look at porn, that his computer should be "stolen".

concerned said...

I never take up for Davey but I think it's important not to jump and run with every little thing.
I would bet someone at the NewSpring office arranged for the clean-up after Amanda's death.
Davey would have been very busy wowing everyone at the hospital with his faith!

About the comment on friend's turning their backs when you learn you're pregnant, I always assumed
Davey was directing that at unmarried girls in the audience. Just guessing.

All that said, I feel it necessary to say again that I think Davey is guilty as sin of orchestrating, if not carrying out Amanda's murder.

Molly,
please go back and read all Statement Analysis of Davey Blackburn from the first days of the case. Then read all Peter's posts on the tenets of Statement Analysis and watch Davey's videos and personal statements before and after the murder.
Many of us did our best to remain open after the non-grieving, giddy, cry-pretending early interviews. Then Davey went to his father-in-law's church where he announced God's visit to him in the shower and his assignment to evangelize the world. And now he's spilling more words that point to his involvement in Amanda's death.

The reason many of us continue to come here in our spare time is that we are devout Christians who find Davey's behavior insufferable. We know scripture and we recognize when someone bends it to their own ends. We have all send "preachers" who try to capitalize on tragedy to promote their brands and Davey is one of the least polished of the group.

We want law enforcement to keep listening and watching him so he is removed from the pulpit and maybe stopped before he can kill another wife. Molly, should you keep reading and paying attention you, like others, might change your mind about this arrogant, inappropriate pretender. I hope so.
I have a question for you as one Christian to another: Do you think sexy and violent speech, tight clothes and impudence make for effective preaching of the gospel? Do you not read in the scriptures that we are to be modest?



Concerned said...

Re:
the "missing" bag...
In my humble opinion, that sucker had Davey's laptop and Amanda's real diary
and it walked out with Davey that morning.
I wonder if Davey started talking about grabbing the gym bag when he began to think
he might be on the outside video carrying it.

concerned said...

Re: my post at 7:22
Find the extra apostrophe and the other typos win a pony!

concerned said...

AND win a pony.
My word! I need to quit!

Heisgay said...

Why would the cops allow a clean-up crew in within 24 hours after a crime scene had been established?

Heisgay said...

Anon said

The main thing that stood out to me about the unborn baby is Davey said "her baby" never our baby in interviews.

Good point, Anon.

He really distances himself from the baby, almost as if he does not feel himself to be the father.

Heisgay said...

Fm 25,

Yes, all the quotes are interesting.
"Pregnant church" is a very odd phrase, as you pointed out.

Overwhelmed week 2/07/16
"We felt, like we were like, like a pregnant church, but we hadn’t given birth to anything, you know what I’m saying? So we were swelling and swelling, but we were like, man we need to do something so we decided to make this really big faith move, and with forty to fifty people move into a 900 seat auditorium which all the experts say “Don’t do.” "
**- rest of sermon discussing numbers, need for donations. Could they not afford new baby? ***

When I first read this over, my gut feeling about the term "pregnant church" (and I really can't explain it intellectually) is that it reveals there is some type of sexual abuse going on in the church.

Fm25 said...

He may not have authorized it, but like a previous poster said, wouldn't he want to preserve any evidence so her attackers could be caught. That being said, it's not his responsibility to preserve a crime scene. Why in the world would the police allow a cleanup crew in so quickly. Is that normal?

Fm25 said...

Isn't it strange though that he would use that as an example of why friends would turn back on you? My mind just wouldn't go there and if I recall that's the only example he gave. In my experience pregnancy is thought of as a positive thing, something friends would be excited for.

Heisgay said...

Fm25,

Your question about Davey's stuttering and "fragile church"

11/08 -announced pregnancy in sermon, tied in to worry and finances
"I worry about finances. Like how are we gonna pay that bill, and how are we gonna make these ends meet, I mean how are we gonna do this—I worry about that. I bet every single person here worries on some level about that.
I worry about my future.
I worry about th–, the future of this church.
I worry about th–, th–, th–, th–, th–, the fragility of– of a new church and wh–wh– what that looks like.
I worry, I worry about my kids.
Davey, did you just say kids? Yes I did. Guess what?
Come on! Yeah-he-he!"

I worry about th–, the future of this church.
I worry about th–, th–, th–, th–, th–, the fragility of– of a new church and wh–wh– what that looks like.

OK, the stuttering here above is important. It is out of character, and it is also something one will see in coerced confessions, where the individual is struggling to piece together a fabricated story that will be acceptable.

I think he was thinking of something else, he was worried about sometihng else but he stutters to hesitate,think and try to say the right thing that will be acceptable, will be what the congregation wants to hear.
The word "fragility" is the key to what he was actually thinking of. He was also worried about "what...the fragility...looks like".
I think he was thinking about the murder here of Amanda and/or unborn baby and what it would look like, meaning, how could he make it look like it was an accident, miscarriage, or like someone else did it?

Heisgay said...

FM25,

You asked

Isn't it strange though that he would use that as an example of why friends would turn back on you? My mind just wouldn't go there and if I recall that's the only example he gave. In my experience pregnancy is thought of as a positive thing, something friends would be excited for.

Yes, very strange. It makes no sense unless it refers to something nefarious like he wanted to off her, and had people who were willing to help, but when they found out she was pregnant, they weren't willing to help anymore.

BOSTON LADY said...

Peter Hyatt said...
The Islamic beheading in the Philippians was the worst video of beheading they've ever released. It makes you wonder how someone can even go through with it and still be human.

The victim's screams are the worst, and they do very close up video without editing.

The victim is Canadian and the press has been quiet about it. It was at www.unsafespeech.com

The most brutal I've seen.

May 5, 2016 at 4:18 PM

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Peter, I don't know how you can watch such horrific brutality. I feel sick just reading your description. There is no other explanation for this barbaric horrific brutal murder. It is pure evil.

I can't even read the new articles because they frighten and sicken me to the core. God help us if this continues.

Bradbury said...

When I heard that IMPD had sent a forensic crew back to the house but it had already been cleaned, I wondered if IMPD sent the crew to look around just because they had heard the house had already been cleaned and that being suspicious, they wanted to take a look around. Like was a particular area focused on and heavily cleaned that they had not been looking at during their initial investigation. Maybe that's just me being hopeful that the police are still looking at him as a suspect.

Bingo3 said...

I can not believe that a cleaning crew was sent out and that the PD let that happen! This case seems botched from the beginning!! Crazy! I can't believe someone had the mind to even think about getting the house cleaned! Do we know for sure it was DB?

Bad Juju said...

Bradbury, the police went back to find the third bullet. When only two bullets were found in Amanda's body at autopsy, they went back and found the bullet under the stairs.



Bingo, no, we don't know who called the cleaning crew.



I've asked this question before ... What is the appropriate amount of time to leave a loved one's blood on your living room carpet? Two days? A week? If its not ok to do it as soon as the police are done with the crime scene and release it to the family, when is it ok, and why?

Leslie said...

I'm still trying to locate where I read this, but, I seem to recall that Davey's father went to Davey's and Amanda's house to let in the carpet cleaning crew....

Bingo3 said...

From Concerned:
I never take up for Davey but I think it's important not to jump and run with every little thing.
I would bet someone at the NewSpring office arranged for the clean-up after Amanda's death.
Davey would have been very busy wowing everyone at the hospital with his faith!
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That makes sense. Newspring was most likely who called as they were trying to help I guess if the police were done there was no reason not to have it cleaned. That just seems like a very quick time to clear a crime scene.

Concerned said...

It does seem quick, Bingo3.
I don't know what the norm is for releasing a crime scene but I don't have great confidence in Indy LE since they so quickly declared Davey 100+ % not involved.
I still can't get past their hinky behavior during the press conference about the arrests. I've never seen that kind of behavior at a presser...never!

"The crime scene cleaners' work begins when the coroner's office or other official, government body releases the "scene" to the owner or other responsible parties. Only when the investigation has completely terminated on the contaminated scene may the cleaning companies begin their task." Wikipedia

Anonymous said...

I love statement analysis. I was looking at some of Davey's old Instagramposts. This one was in January of this year. Here Davey accidentally discloses his feelings about the Bible.

It is a picture a fire in a fireplace with the words

"If your mornings don't look like this, with a Bible, notebook and a good book, you're missing out"

A bible AND a good book Davey?
Isn't the Bible a good book?
In fact, isn't it THE good book.

That aside, Amanda's last morning sure didn't look like "this". Guess she was missing out.

Leslie said...

Sorry, I might have mixed up details in thinking it was Davey's father who let the cleaning crew in. According to the father's Thanksgiving audio sermon, Davey asked him to get something from the house after Amanda was pronounced dead.

Following are the links and short summaries of things that popped out at me.

http://nextchurchnc.net/#/sermons-media-calendar

"Weathered Willow"
http://nextchurchnc.net/media.php?pageID=6

Around 13:00- (PARAPHRASED): David Blackburn recommends that people NEVER say there's a purpose for everything (he admits he's done it before), for from there it could be deduced that God purposes everything, including sin. He goes on to say that God can redeem situations and work His purpose through tragedy.

Around 35:00- (PARAPHRASED): He says he struggles with finding purpose in this tragedy.

Around 35:50- (PARAPHRASED): HE says that after Amanda went to be with Jesus, he left to get something from the house that Davey needed...He mentions the 5 or 6 news vans out front, two neighbors, one on each side of him, walk with him inside...he saw the Christmas tree Amanda had decorated with repurposed items.

He showed some emotion, particularly towards the end, when he said that he didn't know how hard Amanda had to fight...


Lis said...

Molly, what does it mean to you to share Jesus? Don't you think that when the world is musing as to whether a man is crazy or whether he had a part in killing his wife that it's a fail at "sharing Jesus"? Is God the big anesthetist in the sky who keeps us from feeling grief or having human needs?

Your devotional gives Romans 8:28 as the basis for:

"Nothing is wasted with God. Unforeseen and even unfortunate circumstances are ALL opportunities to share Jesus when your heart is yielded to him"

The actual verse reads:

Romans 8:28 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
"And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose."

I think your devotional took some liberties and made this verse about something it's not. The God who is all about numbers and "success".

Bradbury said...

Bad Juju, thank you for explaining why the police sent a forensic crew back to the house. I have not been able to bring myself to read the probable cause documents. I can't help but think Amanda would probably be horrified that her death has become such a public spectacle.

Heisgay said...

Sounds like they got some corrupt cops in Davey's town.

This whole thing is bigger than he is, I suspect.

Heisgay said...

Anon 11:04,

You said

HOW could Amanda's father "secretly relish" CDs difficulty in kissing Amanda because her face "morphed" unless CD told him about it?

WHY would Amanda's father "secretly relish", anyway?

CD says some really distubing things.


I theorized many threads back that they were gay together because of some body language I observed with Davey speaking next to her father. Others told me that it was more Davey asserting himself as the alpha male, but I wasn't convinced. I know I definitely picked up on a gay vibe between the 2 men.

Heisgay said...

Either that, or, and I hate to say it, but

If Amanda's father "secretly relished" Davey's difficulty in kissing Amanda, it is possible that the father was jealous which would indicate possible incest.

AND would not negate the possibility that he was also gay with Davey.

Heisgay said...

Perhaps the 2 men conspired together--Davey and the father.

Bad Juju said...

Please, please don't start saying a bunch of crap about Amanda's dad. The gay stuff was bad enough ... now incest? Show some respect.

rosy said...

Heisgay said...
"I theorized many threads back that they were gay together because of some body language I observed with Davey speaking next to her father.
...the father was jealous which would indicate possible incest.
........Perhaps the 2 men conspired together--Davey and the father.
...I know I definitely picked up on a gay vibe between the 2 men."

Well, that's full spectrum. Hey, let it go. Forget about it. These are you own fantasies projecting onto a reality you know little about.

Anonymous at 11;04 PM is correct in saying DB "says some really disturbing things."

Heisgay said...

Oh really? You people are going on ad nauseum about what a creep Davey is, how evil he is, that you cant believe his followers cant see through him, cant believe the police cleared him YET it's OK with you people that the Dad is BEST BUDDIES with him! If that werent so pathetic it would be hilarious. If you guys are worked up into a tizzy 24/7 because you want justice, you are all so outraged that Davey is being admired for his pseudo-biblical bullshit that any Neanderthal could see through, then why is it OK that her Daddy is patting him on the back, throwing him the mic and giving him an actual stage and blessing to spout off his ridiculous violent sermons about how Amanda died to give birth to his retarded church?! I respect Amanda. I also recognize she was surrounded by evil. It's called common sense. Please use some. You guys were actually making some progress solving the case. I'll tell you this: He didnt act alone, and there are people who know stuff who are not talking. Amanda's Daddy is either dumb as a brick or he at minimum knows something.

Heisgay said...

And I will also say: Trust your intuition. The whole thing is as twisted as it seems. The crime, Davey, his philosphy that Amanda needed to die to give birth to his "pregnant church", the Dad buddying up to him, the quick clean-up, Davey's followers, enablers...we're only seeing the surface....imagine how twisted and sick the actual truth really is. Good luck solving this case. All I can say is you can be sure Davey is not the only wolf in sheep's clothing in his "church". Again, good luck! I dont want to offend any of you with my actual statement analysis, so you are on your own with this case. Good bye.

Heisgay said...

Before I leave, let me ask: There has been much talk about how Davey did not seem "shocked" by what happened to Amanda. Did Amanda's father seem shocked? Not at all. Please watch the video where he hands off the mic to Davey if you are unaware of this fact. It may be a disturbing fact but it is certainly not my "projection". It is illogical to question the unusual reaction of Davey but to "make excuses" for the equally unusual reaction of the father.
But that is not my concern. I will focus on other cases here. Good luck!

Anonymous said...

Settle Petal. Phil Byars has not made a lot of statements to analyze. So there's that.

I found the early rounds of interviews with CD and Phil very disquieting. I got and get the feeling that Phil is being deceived by Davey and this latest round of "secretly relished" is CD's misguided and creepy way of currying favor with his FIL.

If and when Phil begins to suspect what we all suspect, all hell will break loose. The pain of losing his daughter will be amplified to the power of 10, when he realizes he has publically and privately supported Amanda's murderer.

Anonymous said...

Remember Freddy Kassab, boys and girls?

Me2l said...

Such a reach.

I'm no Davey supporter; in fact, I'm FAR from it, but my first thought upon reading that stupid DB comment was that he was speaking to a father's natural protective instincts toward his daughter's sexual purity. It's a theme that runs through life and is dramatized in movies, books, etc.

Admittedly a strange comment, but your interpretation is even stranger.

Bingo3 said...

My thought on Amanda's father is that sweet man is in complete shock. He actually can't process it all. Who could? Losing a child is the worst thing that can happen to someone. He said that Amanda was the love of his life. I think he truly does want to honor her life by staying strong in is faith. I think he is too foggy and in too much mourning to grasp that Davey may have some involvement. I think he is in too much shock to even wrap his head around the crazy things Davey is saying. I have watched him some and seen some sermons, I feel he is a true man of God not a wolf in sheep's clothing like his snl.

I wish I could post pictures here but if you look at DB face compared to Scott Peterson face and compare them as they are doing interviews, they are so similar in facial expressions. They have the smuggest, most satisfied looks on their faces but a guilty undertone with their chins poked out a little and mouths turned downward. Take a look at the early interviews of DB and compare to SP, you will see it too!

Anonymous said...

DB meant that Amanda's father liked it when her looking like her dad would stop him from kissing her. Because daddies can be protective like that.

lynda said...

"The 2nd receipt was 6:58 a.m.- Neither Watson, Gordon,or Taylor would know until at least 6:55-6:57 that the transaction was going to go through successfully. Taylor wouldn't have killed Amanda without 1st making sure it was successful because the whole point of this was because they wanted more money and the 1st ATM was a failure. Amanda likely had to have been shot in the head after 6:55-6:58."


That's my point! How far was the bank from the house? According to mapquest it is a 15 minute drive, and it probably took a tad longer because they were arguing about going back to pick him up and had wait for AB to tell them to do it. They literally, but for a few minutes perhaps, crossed paths with Davey. Maybe they did cross paths. Maybe that's why Davey sat out in his driveway. He knew they just left. Since Watson did not incapacitate her until they got the money for sure, he shot her at approx. 6:55-7?
7:00 Amanda shot in head
7:15 Pick up Watson
7:30 Davey home (Amanda has been critically injured approx. 30 minutes)
8:20 Per Davey, he enters home. (Amanda has been dying for 1 hour and 20 minutes now.)
8:22 Davey calls 911, they send police
8:30 Police arrive and send for EMT.
8:42 EMT's arrive.

Even AFTER Davey calls 911, information is given, or not given, to the point where she does not get medical help for anothe 22minutes! She has now been dying 1 hour and 42 minutes!
Conceivably, If Davey would have entered the home when he got there and relayed that medical help was needed, she would have received it within 30 minutes of her being shot.
Quite a difference. Could have made quite a difference.

lynda said...

OT
The plot thickens for Missy Bevers case.

She had had an affair
The marriage was on the rocks
Financial Problems

Yeah, another husband conveniently out of town that ordered a hit on his wife. I would hazard a guess that husband found out about affair 10 months ago, which is why he made that clear in interviews "That particularly in the last 10 months, she's been calling me everyday to tell me she loves me."

This poor woman was hunted down like a dog and knew her killer.

lynda said...

Anonymous said...
Remember Freddy Kassab, boys and girls?

May 6, 2016 at 4:03 AM


Yep, I remember him. He was like a dog with a bone for YEARS after he turned on McDonald. Before that, he was his biggest supporter.


Heisgay,
Good idea, go "work" some other cases. Blatantly saying that Amanda's father could have been raping her is WAY to much. That is twisted for saying that. Phil Byars has a grandson to think about, one he would probably like to keep seeing. If you watch real close on the vid at his church you can see surprise and annoyance on his face when Davey changes his mind and wants to talk, and I daresay, shock and pissed when he started in on how dead his church was. I think he covered well that day.

snap said...

On Missy Bevers: I think the person in the surveillance video looks a lot like the sister in law. Person does have a bit of a duck walk (which can come from uncorrected external rotation at the hips; not just obesity- this person has some chest bulk, but not belly bulk- which contributes to duck walk generally, within what appear to be an overall intentional (to be deceptive) general bulking)- but they walk pretty crisply/fluidly with perhaps the only limitation being extra layers of bulking clothes- in other word does not the typical pace an older age ( say father in law pace) and appears shorter than an average man size in relation to the door frames. Vengefully protective sister maybe?

mom2many said...

The problem with that timeline for Amanda's murder is that it is based on the faulty asssumption that the first attempt at the atm was unsuccessful because the pin was wrong. Actually, it would have been successful but there was a cash limit on her card for how much could be withdrawn. The first attempt exceeded it. The second atm they lowered the amount and were successful.

I keep vacillating between Davey assaulted her directly at least incapacitated her or arranged the hit and kept hands off.

Leslie said...

Amanda's sister, Amber, has a guest post on Davey's blog today. It's her accounts of when she got the call that Amanda's water had broken, and she went to the hospital and held her hand through contractions and birth, to when she received the call about Amanda being found unconscious, and how she held her hand in the hospital when she was in critical condition, and then died. Most have probably read these accounts before.

https://daveyblackburn.com/2016/05/06/a-phone-call-that-changed-it-all/

What grabbed my attention was that Amber said she received the call of Amanda being in critical care at 9:26 a.m. I guess it could have taken some time for Amanda to be transported to the hospital, and then Davey contacted a relative, who contacted others? That time was later than I expected, as usually momentous news- good, or bad- spreads through families like wildfire. I know that I might be making to much of it.

ima.grandma said...

OT: Missy Beavers

http://www.fox4news.com/news/137370703-story

Brandon refused to do an on camera interview but released a statement to FOX 4 saying:

 "I loved my wife. My children will always know that as well. The children are my greatest concern right now given the information they will eventually receive in one form or another. This is concerning to all of us."


http://hellochristian.com/2801-brandon-bevers-says-he-is-leaning-on-god-after-wifes-murder

Her husband Brandon has spoken out about how God is guiding him through the process of grief.

 "If it wasn't for me leaning on God as heavily as I am right now, OK, there is no way — I would be melted just into this asphalt," he said, reports NBC. "There is no way the Brandon Bevers before this would be standing here today without me leaning on God, and His word and His direction, like, I find peace in it. It's very comforting. I obtain wisdom from it."

New reports suggest that Mrs Bevers was stabbed multiple times in the chest and head, but Brandon says he is staying away from reading the details. 

"I haven't even read it, so don't divulge. I haven't even read the story. I saw it and I was unwilling to even...and I'm not even there so don't tell me anything," he said.

Nic said...

flightfulbird said:
If he had locked the front door, the thugs might have walked away and chosen a different target - or Amanda might have heard them breaking in and been able to call 911 and/or escape



Are you able to link to this, flightfulbird?

Leslie said...

Nic, I'm posting 2 links that I just came across, or reread, that state that DB told police he'd left front door unlocked.

http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/11/amanda_blackburn_affidavit_pro.html

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/df2b253e274c4f649dc19f9bf59b7bac/2-men-charged-murder-killing-pastors-wife

From what I recall the affidavit states that, as well.

Flightfulbird might have more info.

Anonymous said...

Davey's behavior and words only prove he is on the extreme end of Narcissistic Personality Disorder's continuum.

These individuals have extreme delusions of grandeur. Any thought that enters their conscious mind and serves their goals can be attributed to "God talks to me".

lynda said...

OT Missy Bevers

I notice on the husbands facebook that he has pics of himself and daughters at the grave grinning. Jesus. The girls are holding big sunflowers and he says, "Missy USED to love sunflowers in our early days"

I guess Missy stopped loving them at some point.

Since the murder husband has posted nothing but bible verses whereas before the murder no bible verses in sight. Maybe he sees how far this has gotten Davey?

Anonymous said...

The first half of Amber's blog is copied from a November Facebook post. The second half might be interesting for SA. It sounds like it was ghostwritten by DB the flowery dying-was-amazing-for-Amanda bs writer. Amber should not have attached herself to his blog. But if she gets the SA treatment, maybe the family will look at all the SA that's been done on CD.

flightfulbird said...

@ Nic at 10:48am

https://www.scribd.com/doc/291143533/Affidavit-of-Probable-Cause-in-Amanda-Blackburn-Case

From page 15 of the Affidavit for Probable Cause linked above -

(Detective) "Perkins spoke with David Blackburn at Methodist.
Blackburn said he left his home around 6:00 A.M. in his black 1997 Honda Civic to work out at L.A. Fitness at 4015 Shore Dr. Blackburn stated that he left the front door unlocked when he left.

He left the gym at approximately 7:10 A.M., and was talking on the phone with his friend Kenneth Wagner.
Blackburn stated that he remained on the phone on the way home and was still on the phone when he arrived home at approximately 7:30am.
He stayed on the phone in the driveway until he entered around 8:20 A.M."


From page 14 of the Affidavit For Probable Cause - timeline

"At 8:22 A.M., November 10th, 2015, David Blackburn called 911 reporting that he found his wife, Amanda Blackburn, injured and unconscious on the living room floor of their home at 2812 Sunnyfield Ct.
Indianapolis Fire Department Engine 12 responded to the scene
At 8:30am, IFD 12 requested the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department to respond for a possible assault
At 8:44am, Officers Richard Crosby and Larry Crowe arrived as Medics were carting Amanda Blackburn from the home.
Amanda Blackburn had received severe head trauma."

This last statement makes it clear that this was not a small bullet entry hole from a gunshot that could've been easy to miss. The Affidavit goes on to say that Amanda had been shot in the left lower arm and had a possible gunshot wound to her left upper back. These injuries combined with "severe head trauma" noted by the EMTs and IMPD would have been immediately obvious to anyone walking in - this is a different scenario altogether than "something going horrifically wrong with the pregnancy" which Davey said was his impression when he walked in.


Leslie wrote at 10:01am -
"What grabbed my attention was that Amber said she received the call of Amanda being in critical care at 9:26 a.m. I guess it could have taken some time for Amanda to be transported to the hospital, and then Davey contacted a relative, who contacted others? That time was later than I expected, as usually momentous news- good, or bad- spreads through families like wildfire."

From the Affidavit - Davey entered "around" 8:20am - he called 911 at 8:22am - IFD Engine 12 arrived at the residence and at 8:30am they called for IMPD to come to the scene. I imagine they called for IMPD as soon as they walked in and realized this wasn't just a medical situation. IMPD arrived at 8:44am as they were "carting" Amanda from the home. So yes, it does seem like a really long time - from 8:30am (when EMTs were there tending to Amanda) to 9:26am - for Davey not to have a few minutes to make a phone call tell the family about this majorly critical life-threatening situation.

I wonder what time the text(s) were sent to Perry Noble about "the head wound". . .

Bad Juju said...

Amber says she was sleeping when she got the call. Maybe she didn't answer earlier calls because of that. Who knows?




Anon @ 11:51, Amber was already given the "SA treatment" early-on by people commenting here. Why drag her through the mud again?

I don't understand the need to rip Amanda's family to shreds ... again.

Why would they want to read here when so many bad things have been said about them?

rosy said...

Lynda at May 6, 2016 at 8:35 AM
you put the EMI and police calls round the wrong way. You write:
"7:30 Davey home (Amanda has been critically injured approx. 30 minutes)
8:20 Per Davey, he enters home. (Amanda has been dying for 1 hour and 20 minutes now.)
8:22 Davey calls 911, they send police
8:30 Police arrive and send for EMT.
8:42 EMT's arrive.

Even AFTER Davey calls 911, information is given, or not given, to the point where she does not get medical help for anothe 22minutes! She has now been dying 1 hour and 42 minutes!"

No! The actual order of things: He called 911, EMS was dispatched with fire truck. EMS arrived and called for police. Police arrived as Amanda was being carted out.

rosy said...

Leslie said...

What grabbed my attention was that Amber said she received the call of Amanda being in critical care at 9:26 a.m. I guess it could have taken some time for Amanda to be transported to the hospital, and then Davey contacted a relative, who contacted others?
May 6, 2016 at 10:01 AM

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Amber was in a trip to California with her parents and other family members. Not a matter of calling her home in Indiana. So yes it could have taken time.

Amanda would have been taken first to the ER before transfer critical care. That would have taken time.

rosy said...

Leslie, also, California time is 3 hours behind Indiana time, i.e. 9:26 AM Indiana time 6:26 AM CA time.

Leslie said...

Amber wrote that she was sleeping at her grandparents' house when she received the calls that Amanda was having a baby, and in critical care. Maybe the grandparents live in CA? I don't know. It isn't a big issue, either way, & I probably shouldn't have even mentioned the timing. My mind was still trying to understand the timeline. I know there are more important issues to the case. My personal opinion is that Amanda's family consists of lovely, authentic (conservative) Christians, although naive of who DB seems to be. I don't want to cause their family to be put under the microscope or criticised unnessarily. So, I apologize if my post prompted that.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Mom2many- I'm not sure what you were referencing when you posted this

mom2many said...
The problem with that timeline for Amanda's murder is that it is based on the faulty asssumption that the first attempt at the atm was unsuccessful because the pin was wrong. Actually, it would have been successful but there was a cash limit on her card for how much could be withdrawn. The first attempt exceeded it. The second atm they lowered the amount and were successful.

I keep vacillating between Davey assaulted her directly at least incapacitated her or arranged the hit and kept hands off.
May 6, 2016 at 9:34 AM

I*think* you were responding to lynda's 8:35 Am May 6, 2016 post. The intial paragraph lynda quoted from my post from a previous thread.

"The 2nd receipt was 6:58 a.m.- Neither Watson, Gordon,or Taylor would know until at least 6:55-6:57 that the transaction was going to go through successfully. Taylor wouldn't have killed Amanda without 1st making sure it was successful because the whole point of this was because they wanted more money and the 1st ATM was a failure. Amanda likely had to have been shot in the head after 6:55-6:58."

My timeline point is valid and backed by the Affadavit details. Watson and Gordon did discuss numbers with Taylor immediately after the 1st failed ATM. Posters are assuming it was PIN numbers-it was not. ATM's require a PIN prior to allowing any withdrawal-they had a valid PIN and a working card because they got a receipt denying the $500 withdrawal. The numbers in question would have been how much was in the account. Brilliant thugs that they were didn't know or realize that ATM's have security limits- they likely thought Amanda gave them a low-no balance card at that point. Shooting her in the back of the head at that point would not have gotten them cash from the 2nd ATM. Likely Amanda was alive, albeit injured, prior to the 2nd ATM withdrawal. It seems good thuggery to keep your hostage alive until you get your money from the ATM. Hence my statement the head shot likely occurred around 6:55-6:58 am., once cash was in hand.

Somehow it was communicated to Alonzo Bull that Watson & Gordon were going to leave Taylor behind immediately after the 2nd ATM. They had to have known at that point that he'd shot Amanda (either chest, head, or both). Per Bull's orders, they drove back for Taylor, but Gordon refused to enter Sunnyfield Court (per the CI, he literally exited the car prior to entering the cul de sac).

flightfulbird said...

I'm not sure that they were on that trip WHEN the call came through - these statements are copied/pasted from Amanda's blog post -

"November 10, 2015: I was sleeping at my grandparent’s house when I got the phone call. Amanda was found unconscious in her home and now in critical condition at the hospital. It was 9:26 am and I threw on clothes and jumped in the car. I drove so fast to make sure I was there."

"I was in complete shock, yet filled with total hope that God was going to perform a miracle today."

"Davey and I, along with hundreds of others, sat by her bed and cheered her on with each breath of the ventilator. We wept and laughed and sobbed and giggled about memories of Amanda that flooded our mind."


Amber said she threw on clothes and drove fast. Because she wrote this, I think they were in Indiana when it happened - plus which I don't think she could have gotten a flight that fast from California to Indiana and been able to gather with the other hundreds of people around Amanda's bed to sing and pray and worship.

And along with HUNDREDS of others - really ? I don't want to pile on Amber either but much of that very dramatic post really does sound like Davey's exaggerated over the top descriptions of situations and feelings and emotions.

And there's a major difference in finding peace that a loved one is in heaven and absolutely GUSHING over it. Calling it the MOST AMAZING day of her life and saying that this is my home, my true home, Jesus is squeezing my hand, I'm home, the very place I've always desired to be is laying it on a bit thick in my opinion. Oh the joy on her face the morning of November 11th - really?


And - saying that Amanda was "found unconscious" doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of what happened.

Amanda had been attacked in her home and was in critical condition at the hospital. I understand Davey might not have wanted to tell the full extent of Amanda's injuries while family members were driving in so as not to upset them - but there was no reason that morning that Davey couldn't have shared that someone had broken in (actually walked through the door I left unlocked when I left for the gym, but that's not important right now) and attacked her. And by the time Amber (or whoever) wrote this post, they knew.

So why do these family and friends keep minimizing things? They say Amanda was found unconscious - they talk about Amanda's accident - I don't understand.

rosy said...

I was mistaken, Amber was at her grandparents' house.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Leslie

No issue with your post questioning the time between 911 call and Amber notified. It was a valid question and a good one under the circumstances. EMS/Fire Department would have been "pre-interviewing" Davey upon arrival as they worked on Amanda. Getting her stabilized for transport and alerting the ER would have been simultaneously occurring. Davey may have been interviewed by LE while Amanda was actually being transported. Upon arrival in the ER, after the medical directive paperwork, Davey would likely have been interviewed/further interviewed by LE. There may have been a delay before he could call a family member/the Barrett's to begin a calling tree among family and friends.

Your post above was both kind and compassionate. I agree that the Amanda's family is likely naive and deceived by Davey's religious act. When blind-sided by a narcissistic sociopath, most people never knew what hit them. While I recognize this is a free country, with a right to free speech, there is such a things as being responsible with our words. Like you, I've been a little horrified too at several of the posts and posters here. IMO, if you're going to make a statement about someone's character or behavior, you should be able to back it up with some facts.

mom2many said...

I think squeezing the timeline to such a tight few minutes is too big an assumption. They knew the Pin was correct after the first atm. The error message would have been different from an NSF. For Taylor, she would have already been expendable. I haven't refreshed my memory on the details of cameras and phone calls in a long time, though. Do the documents give a timestamp on the sighting of Taylor walking away from the house?

rosy said...

Leslie and flightfulbird,

It was my mistake. Both of you are correct, Amber says she was at her grandparents' house. They live a few miles outside Indy and she drove to the hospital from there.

I had the impression she was included on the trip to California. Maybe she was and came back ahead of her parents, stopping off at her grandparents before going home.

Amanda's parents were in CA when the news reached them by phone call. They flew back. They talk about this in one or more sermons at the Elkhart Baptist church.

The question remains, was Amber the first person DB called? Did DB know Amber was at her grandparents' house? I guess with cell phones it doesn't matter where anyone is, you just call/text.

In the circumstances at the hospital, with doctors and police, I don't think 55 minutes is too long for a husband to go before REACHING a family member to tell them his wife has been shot and is in critical care.

And we don't know who he tried to reach first - his parents, Amanda's parents, Amber....

If it were to turn out that he had called Perry Noble BEFORE calling anyone in Amanda's family, that would send up a red flag re: damage control.

flightfulbird said...

Yes, would be very nice/interesting to know what time that text to Perry Noble was sent (I do not think Davey actually called on phone to him, at least initially).

mom2many said...

I can't find a timestamp for the initial photos IMPD released. I did find this helpful timeline article. http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/timeline-the-murder-of-amanda-blackburn
At 7:05, Taylor was seen a block from the Blackburns' residence.

Heisstillgay said...

Lynda,
Right, Amanda's Dad is probably just concerned about his grandson, that's why he's seeking custody right?
Davey is a predator: predators go for imjured prey. That fact combined with Amanda's father's lack of reaction to her death combined with the overall pervy element of their church (focus on sex: not in positive way, preachers checking Davey's computer for porn bc of his "addiction" and he still being allowed to lead the flock) makes it LIKELY Amanda experienced some type of abuse within her family.
Their whole church is f&ckin ridiculous. Men of God my ass. Amanda was brainwashed early in her life, hence how she fell into Davey's clutches.
Oh yes, and a gay preacher? Never heard of one of those! Or a pervert preacher? Unheard of.

Fm25 said...

Amber was in town when Amanda was murdered. They spent the day before at traders point which is an indoor playground. That is when Amanda told Amber about how she "broke the news" to davey about the pregnancy.amber spent the night at her grandparents and they had plans to meet the next day. I can't even imagine how horrible that would have been for Amber.

rosy said...

Heisstillgay said...
May 6, 2016 at 4:32 PM

"Amanda's father's lack of reaction to her death combined with the overall pervy element of their church (focus on sex: not in positive way, preachers checking Davey's computer for porn bc of his "addiction" and he still being allowed to lead the flock) makes it LIKELY Amanda experienced some type of abuse within her family."
==========

Let's try and unpack this.

First off, Amanda's father reacted strongly to her death. It's totally false to say he showed "lack of reaction to her death."

Next, there's no close connection between DB's church and Amanda's father's church.
Don't confuse them. DB trained at NewSpring. Resonate is a branch of NewSpring.

The church in which Amanda's father is lead pastor is separate and distinct from DB's church. If you want to know how he preaches and how services are conducted at that church - in a conventional way, nothing like DB's antics - watch some of the videos on the website.

PB's church, in which Amanda was raised, is a First Baptist Church. They exist all over the USA.

So far as known, DB's computer was NOT checked by Amanda's father, it was checked by Perry Noble of NewSpring. Where is evidence that Amanda told her parents about DB's addiction?

"Their whole church is f&ckin ridiculous. Men of God my ass. Amanda was brainwashed early in her life, hence how she fell into Davey's clutches."

That's your opinion.

"Oh yes, and a gay preacher? Never heard of one of those! Or a pervert preacher? Unheard of."

Sure. And how many cases can you cite of a gay man who murdered his wife? It happens, but not often. How many of a straight man who murdered his wife? How do the stats stack up?

rjb said...

When was it ever established that DB has a porn problem? It is widely encouraged, at least in my circle of acquaintance, that pastors and other men in positions of authority in a church have some sort of accountability for their Internet usage. It's like how Billy Graham wouldn't travel alone with, eat a meal alone with, or stay on the same hotel room floor as a female staff member; a few extra (and often inconvenient, I'm sure) steps taken in order to make sure that one does not give even the appearance if impropriety.

When my oldest was still living at home, we put a filter on her laptop. Not because she was a porn addict, but because pop-ups happen. We will do the same when our younger kids start using a computer at home. It is a common sense precaution.

rosy said...

rjb said... -
DB remarked in a video about knowing of apps to get around internet porn blockers. I doubt Billy Graham would have said anything like that.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Mom2many

The receipt may have said "NSF/ Non-Sufficient Funds" or "Transaction Denied", depending upon the proprietary software. Re-reading the Affadavit though, the numbers were discussed prior to the 1st transaction (which failed). You're right in that Amanda could very well have already been fatally shot before the 2nd ATM because they knew both the PIN and card were valid by then. I'm sorry-I misread the timing between the 2 ATM transactions.

So, with that in mind, revisiting the failed transaction was 6:36 and the neighbor reported she heard 2 shots around 6:40-6:45 (IIRC the neighbor was in the shower at the time)...yet Amanda had 3 separate bullet wounds. Something clearly changed between ATM #1 and ATM #2 because after ATM #2, Watson & Gordon had already communicated that they intended to leave Taylor behind (per Cooperating Individuual- Alonzo Bull ordered them to go back and retrieve him).

This, in addition to the Swisher Sweets cigars on the counter, lends weight to Amanda already being fatally shot. If Amanda was fatally shot in the 6:40-6:45 time frame, Taylor possibly smoked while he waited to be picked back up. Either Alonzo Bull or Watson & Gordon had to had a conversation about them not wanting to pick him up because he was on the move out to Sunmeadow Way by 7:05. A neighbor placed Taylor walking away from Sunnyfield Court on Sunmeadow Way at 7:05 as she left. Taylor is on surveillance video on Sunmeadow Way at 7:10-7:11 a.m. (roughly 4-5 minute walk from the Blackburn's). The homeowner reported Taylor being picked up by the Chrysler Sebring at that time. Near 56th and Guion Rd., Taylor is in the front passenger seat of the Sebring, matching the 7:10-7:11 home video (The Affadavit doesn't specify-I'm guessing caught on the intersection camera footage).

Gordon refused to return to the addition and per the affadavit, Watson picked Taylor up [on Sunmeadow Way]. So, Gordon wasn't on Sunmeadow Way (perhaps waiting on foot on Kessler Drive at the entrance to the Sunmeadow Way addition?). Kessler leads to 56th Street.

It remains to be seen if Watson and Gordon are willing to spend a lifetime in jail for $300, 2 Macs, and a few TVs.

Heisstillgay said...

Rosy,

I watched Davey and Amanda's Dad do their speech to the congregation a few days after Amanda's death. I saw no normal grief reaction from either along with him coddling ding-dong Davey, spouter of b&llshit complete with his sociopathic Scott Peterson-type reaction (gleeful). That's all I need to see.

Davey's church and Amanda's church not alike? They are connected, and that is all I need to know.

Davey not addicted to porn? Yes he was, and that has already been accepted as fact on this site. Davey publicized this fact. I hesitate to even wonder what type of porn it was but Im sure it was probably gay S&M porn at minimum.

Gay men dont kill their wives? Rather it is straight men killimg their wives? I would say many gay men often kill their wives. Absolutely. What better place to vent their rage, especially since they are repulsed by women and prefer a type of sex that DOES NOT PRODUCE CHILDREN. How enraged they must be when their "beard" becomes pregnant.
Scott Peterson, killer of Lacy and Connor, has always seemed gay to me. Absolutely. High pitched voice, obssessed w his own looks and light in the loafers.

Anonymous said...

Heisgay, I wonder if you realize how much your fixation on closeted gay men reveals about you.

mom2many said...

FFOF: Great synopsis of the movements of the crew during and after the murder. Thank you!

Personally, I'm not sure if those held in cells right now know anything substantial to roll into lighter sentences. I think they're disposable and don't know anything except to have checked a particular house and let Taylor loose to do what he was wont to do.

I wonder how defense will handle this case. Will they raise reasonable doubt in the guise of Davey Blackburn?

rosy said...

Heisgay aka Heistillgay

I did not dispute that DB spoke of his porn addiction.

As for how many have men kill women - I suggest you read up on statistics of violence including murder against LGBT persons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States#Violent_acts_against_LGBT_persons

Then do a search for "gay man kills wife" "gay man kills woman" and "gay man kills girlfriend"

Heisstillgay said...

I just read through the probable cause. It sounds like she was shot execution style, kneeling, probably w hands bound behind back with the duct tape, and she was shot from behind. Davey probably copied this style of killing from ISIS.
Where are the tooth and missing bullet?
Where was Amands the night before when she wrote in her journal entry with her writing hand impeded (see extreme left slant in writing unique to that night's journal entry),
Where are the tooth and the bullet from the one gunshot the neighbor didnt hear?
She was shot one time the night before in a location that was not the home.
The missing bullet was from the gun shot to the arm when she was shot somewhere other than the home location. This explains Amanda's dramatic change in letter slant the night before.

Heisstillgay said...

Anon 7:33,

Congratulations. You took an Intro to Psychology class in college and now you think you are Sigmund Freud. Tell me what my dreams of bananas mean also, could you? Please refocus on the case.

Bad Juju said...

She was shot three times. Three bullets were recovered.

Heisstillgay said...

I know she was shot 3 times. Did they find the 3rd?
I still believe the first shot (the one not heard by neighbor) was to the arm earlier--it wouldnt matter which arm, it would cause far left slanting of handwriting unique to the journal entry from the night before.
We need to be looking at and analyzing that entry.
It's a hunch but Davey (and others) wanted information out of her. That is why he shot her in arm and let her live throughout the
night.

Bad Juju said...

You said you read the probable cause affidavit, so how do you not know they found the third bullet? And why would you think the "missing bullet" was from her arm when the affidavit plainly states a bullet was removed from her arm (and one from her head) and that the back wound was the one that went straight through?

Heisstillgay said...

I read what was posted here from the probable cause. Thanks for filling me in. Unusual that the bullet to the back would go straight through. Where did it exit?

I would focus on the fact that one of the gunshots was not heard and therefore occurred prior to the 2 morning gunshots heard by the neighbor who was in the shower (I'm sure the time is real accurate on that...did the showering neighbor have a shower clock?).

Amanda was shot in the arm first as a form of torture and was kept alive for some time.
Amanda's journal entry from the night before her death has handwriting which deviates dramatically from all other entries in the form of extreme left letter slant.

I believe Amanda was tortured by Davey. Shot to the arm and knocked out tooth.

You may want to analyze his "chitchat with God on the sofa" rambling more closely. It reveals he lied about time and that he did not sleep that night. Much like the Ramsey's. We have a similarity in Davey and Patsy's false "wake up" story. Might want to wonder was body moved as with Jon Benet? Also the feigning of ignorance about what had happened to the victim although perpetrator realizes police will discover shortly after entry into home the truth(Jon Benet--kidnapped; Amanda--something horrifically wrong with pregnancy)
Also similarity in Davey and Patsy with the "Patsy did laundry": Davey grabbed gym bag...both of them speak of clothing almost immediately in their wake up story.

Davey is a monster. I believe he tortured Amanda.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Heisstillgay

You may want to familiarize yourself with the Affadavit of Probable Cause to better understand what's being discussed (https://www.scribd.com/doc/291143533/Affidavit-of-Probable-Cause-in-Amanda-Blackburn-Case#scribd).

Heisstillgay said...

Thanks--will read it immediately. Thank you!

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Mom2many

Thank you for the timeline links you provided earlier! You made a statement earlier today that I'm curious about. I find myself similarly divided on this at times too and I'm curious why you feel this way?

You said...
"I keep vacillating between Davey assaulted her directly at least incapacitated her or arranged the hit and kept hands off."
--------------------------------------
I know the Affadavit is just the basics required to issue arrest warrants and does not detail all the evidence at the scene, complete phone records, etc. I've considered the possibility that Davey may have incapacitated Amanda prior to Taylor walking in, but I can't seem to find a hint of that (outside of the change on the landing and LE being unable to definitively say yes or no to a sexual assault).

Having said that, it really bothers me that the house between Amanda and the 1st Sunnyside Court burglary was bypassed. The cooperating witness said they wanted more money. Larry Taylor walked to 2812 Sunnyside Court and opened the unlocked front door...not Taylor tried the house in between, not Taylor crossed behind the second house and checked it, not even Taylor crossed behind the second house but someone was home so he moved on to the next house (2812 Sunnyside Court). Larry Taylor, who had broken in the back of two homes already that morning, walked up the front sidewalk in full view of neighbors taking their trash out, not to mention neighbors who might be sitting near their windows or walking out to their cars. Taylor walked right up and opened the unlocked front door. He didn't "case the house first from the back" or "pop the back door open/ pick the lock on the back door". There wasn't even a "Taylor tried the front door"- security cameras, front walk, unlocked front door.

P.S. You're likely right that Taylor, Watson, and Gordon don't know enough info to roll on anyone if this is higher up the chain. Clearly Watson and Gordon had had enough of Taylor that morning, threatening to leave him behind.

Heisstillgay said...

Thank you. I read it. It was extremely informative.

For some reason it was not letting me copy and past, however:

Page 24: Note: Paraphrased 'they were going to leave, but Taylor throws some cards in the car' Then, within this narrative, the action proceeds with the 2 driving off with NO explanation at any point for why Taylor stays behind.....why not? The "cooperating individual" wouldnt explain? He explains why everything else happens.
This hole in the narrative indicates fabrication at that point in the narrative. I can tell you that the "cooperating individual" did not supply the information written in the probably cause at the end (page 24) where the 2 drive off and Taylor stays behind.

Heisstillgay said...

The account in the probable cause as stated by "cooperating individual" is reliable up until the point where Taylor "stays behind".
I don't believe police fabricated it. I believe "cooperating individual" did.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Heisstillgay

LE can likely verify pretty accurately who was in the car on both ATM trips at least one way (if not both ways), via intersection cameras. Between that and neighborhood security camera footage on Sunnyside Court and Sunmeadow Way, they would know who stayed at the house and who went, IMO.

Heisstilllgay said...

Gun to the mouth would have knocked out top tooth or multiple top teeth just as a fist to the mouth will knock out the top teeth. Gun to the mouth will also hit the top teeth.

Heisstillgay said...

Fools,

I am not sure that he stayed behind in the manner implied in the probably cause ie. reentering the home and lingering.

Possible scenario: Taylor goes out to the car and says "Holy shit there is a dead body in there!" Upon hearing that, the driver speeds off and leaves him there.

The crime scene as stated in the probable cause indicates a crime scene staged to look like sexual homicide.

Swiffer cigars on counter...there is a real likelihood that that was also "staged"...while believable he may have smoked in the house, it is highly unlikely he would leave a pack of them on the counter. But if he in fact did smoke in the house, Where is the stub from the smoked cigar? Why does probable cause say that Davey found the cigars, not the police? Regardless, Davey must have known this group and known they smoked swiffer cigars and placed the pack there. There was no stub found or they would have done DNA testing on it, which makes the placing of the cigar pack there HIGHLY suspect as part of the staging. If Taylor did not smoke a cigar there in the house, why would he place his pack on the counter.

I think they came upon the staged crime scene. When Taylor entered the home she was already shot and nearly dead.

Cooperating individual is one of the 3 men (not Taylor). Cooperating individual knows they are screwed having gone into that house and committed a string of burglaries near the house where there was a (nearly dead) body and cooperating indivudal wants to get the heat off of himself. He does not want to be blamed for a murder.

The fact that only a few bank cards were stolen and a bag grabbed (much different than the more thorough robberies committed at the other houses) may be because they came upon a dead body and wanted to get the hell out of there!

Coincidental? NO, Davey must have somehow lured them there in order to frame them.

HISG said...

It is worth noting that in the probable cause, they CI states that Taylor said that he shot her "somewhere in the upper body" to prevent her from "scratching him" when she "charged" him (and this is after her tooth was knocked out yet she was "charging him"?!?!) Regardless, weren't ALL of the bullet holes shot into the back of her body? Even the arm one, the bullet was shot into the back of her arm? There are only explanations for 2 of the bullet holes (upper body, back of head) given by the CI. Also, CI says Taylor said he looked into her face and watched her bleed. That would have been difficult to do since she was found face-down.

How did she get scratch marks on her cheek?

Why did the one guy get out of the car when they went to pick up Taylor at the house?

How come CI does not explain why her underwear and skirt were taken off?

I think CI is bullshitting from the point that Taylor stayed behind?
Why would Amanda charge him?
They had already taken what they were going to take.

Something doesn't make sense about why they even went there in the first place. They wanted more money, yet they only take a bank card. Why not take the whole purse with the wallet and credit cards?

flightfulbird said...

Yes, why skip houses and go to the Blackburn residence instead of working their way down the block? Because they knew the front door would be unlocked.

And why would burglars walk right up and enter an unlocked front door and not take anything but a single debit card? Because this was meant to look like a burglary where the homeowner was killed after being sexually assaulted. I think it was staged. And I think there is a distinct possibility that these guys walked in on Amanda "in the condition she was in" and ran for daylight when they found her.

It makes no sense that Taylor shot Amanda to prevent her from scratching him when she "charged" him. Yes, bullet holes were into the back of her body and the back of her head (back of head = execution style, personal).

We've said all of this before, but there are just too many things that went "right" that morning for this to be a random burglary where the homeowner surprised a burglar and paid for it with their life. The timing of the 911 calls (the neighbor, then Davey immediately afterward) makes it look like Davey waited on the driveway until the neighbor came home (while talking to Kenneth Wagner the whole time, who tweeted for the first time EVER that morning about loving his weekly conversations with @daveyblackburn). Davey knew she would see that intruders had been inside and call 911 and then he could call after giving her enough time to get inside and notice - thus making it look like a string of burglaries.

And I believe he was later than usual leaving for the gym because he was either staging or something had happened (by his hand) to Amanda already before he left and he was sorting out how to cover for it - and that is why the "guys" had to hang around inside the neighbor's house for so long - they had to wait for Davey to leave for the gym.

And to beat the horse one more time, what Davey said and did not say on the 911 call is going to be very important. If he did indeed only tell the 911 dispatcher that he walked in and found his wife injured and unconscious (or HOWEVER he described it because I understand the affidavit might not quote his *exact* words) - if he did not mention ANY of the other indications that an intruder had been inside his house - then it seems impossible for IMPD to ignore this when they walked in.

It was immediately obvious to the Engine 12 EMTs that police presence was needed. I think IMPD would know that a caring concerned husband (one who had no foreknowledge that this was going to happen) would've definitely told the 911 operator everything he saw . . .

. . . and if he had told everything he saw, there's no way in the world that the 911 dispatcher wouldn't have sent IMPD. OR, that is the most incompetent 911 dispatcher in the history of time. I'm going with the theory that the 911 dispatcher worked with the information THAT WAS GIVEN TO THEM and that Davey only described injuries to Amanda. I don't even believe he even described the extent of the injuries, seriously ! - because "severe head trauma" might just / would indicate to 911 that this might've been inflicted by someone and not the result of an accident)

I believe the EMTs were caught totally off guard when they walked into an active crime scene and I also believe they would have shared the information (description of injuries) they were given from dispatch with IMPD - and IMPD would know they had been held off from coming immediately because someone didn't want them on the scene right away.

Anonymous said...

Yeah they "ran for daylight" straight to the ATM with Amanda's card, ensuring they'd be connected to the critically injured woman they "found."

They were so scared, they called someone whose phone was being used from the Blackburn house, further ensuring they'd be connected to the crime.

Hellm one of them was so scared, he hung around the house for a while.

Poor guys.

flightfulbird said...

So you're saying this was random, Anonymous at 1:19am? - or just that they are not the sharpest tools in the shed.

rosy said...

Why would LT remain in the house if he walked in and found a woman unconscious on the floor? Even if the other two panicked and refused to let him get in the car, drove off and left him, why would he stay, rather than leave on foot?

Tania Cadogan said...

Heisgay said...

Fm25,

Your question about Davey's stuttering and "fragile church"

11/08 -announced pregnancy in sermon, tied in to worry and finances
"I worry about finances. Like how are we gonna pay that bill, and how are we gonna make these ends meet, I mean how are we gonna do this—I worry about that. I bet every single person here worries on some level about that.
I worry about my future.
I worry about th–, the future of this church.
I worry about th–, th–, th–, th–, th–, the fragility of– of a new church and wh–wh– what that looks like.
I worry, I worry about my kids.
Davey, did you just say kids? Yes I did. Guess what?
Come on! Yeah-he-he!"

I worry about th–, the future of this church.
I worry about th–, th–, th–, th–, th–, the fragility of– of a new church and wh–wh– what that looks like.

OK, the stuttering here above is important. It is out of character, and it is also something one will see in coerced confessions, where the individual is struggling to piece together a fabricated story that will be acceptable.

I think he was thinking of something else, he was worried about sometihng else but he stutters to hesitate,think and try to say the right thing that will be acceptable, will be what the congregation wants to hear.
The word "fragility" is the key to what he was actually thinking of. He was also worried about "what...the fragility...looks like".
I think he was thinking about the murder here of Amanda and/or unborn baby and what it would look like, meaning, how could he make it look like it was an accident, miscarriage, or like someone else did it?


When someone speaks about fragility, especially in relation to a death be it accidental or deliberate the phrase that usually crops up is:

The fragility of LIFE

Was this what he was going to say before he self edited and changed it to church?

Ask yourself this, which of these phrases flows naturally?
which of these phrases sounds right?

fragility of a new church
or
The fragility of life

We also have an odd statement apart from the stuttering.

I worry about th–, th–, th–, th–, th–, the fragility of– of a new church and wh–wh– what that looks like.

What does a fragile new church look like?
Empty pews?
Low income from donations?
Payments due and no way to pay them?
Building in need of repairs?
What does davey define as a fragile new church?
How does davey describe the appearance of a fragile new church?

No, a fragile church doesn't look like anything.
First it is, then it isn't and the new tenants move in.

However, Look at what he says and change new church to life and he makes sense.

I worry about th–, th–, th–, th–, th–, the fragility of– of LIFE and wh–wh– what that looks like.
Now, apply it to the murder of his wife and unborn child.

He is telling us the fragility of life and what it looks like.

It looks like blood all over the place.
It looks like a half naked wife.
It looks like a woman lying unconscious on the floor.
It looks like a battered face with a missing tooth.
It looks like the loss of an unborn baby.
It looks brutal.
It looks messy.
It will stink of copper from the blood spilled.
It will smell of cordite, even if faint due to time.
It will smell of body fluids, if the victim soiled themselves.

Perhaps he thought it would be like the movies, all clean and tidy, perhaps a bit of artfully placed blood, a beautiful and peaceful looking victim.
Maybe a delicate scent of his wife's perfume as she lay on the ground.
Did he envision her as looking all holy and sainted, blessed by god?
Lying in peaceful repose, her beautiful face unmarked ready for elevation to martyr and saint?

I think he got a shock when he saw the brutality of murder.
The blood, the smell and more so when he saw she was still breathing.

Tania Cadogan said...

cont.


I wonder.

I wonder if he thought god was denying davey what davey wants?
Davey had been telegraphing his wishes, his intent.
Davey wasn't just telling his congregation,davey was telling god.

When he saw she was still breathing, his thoughts weren't on getting help for her hoping to save her life.
I bet his thoughts were s***, what do i do now, they couldn't do one simple thing.
Did he cuss out god not for allowing her and her unborn child to be protected from harm, but for not taking her to heaven, for having the temerity to keep her alive.

Did davey see god as challenging his authority?
Did he see god as refusing to answer his prayers and only doing a half-assed job?
Did he see god as being ungrateful perhaps?

Was Amanda and her unborn baby the sacrifice so that davey could live out his dreams and, for a while, he thought she was going to live and he would remain a p*ss poor pastor of a tiny little business (church) with lifetime of medical bills ahead and, if she survived, having to care for a disabled wife and possibly even a disabled child?
Her surviving was the end of his dreams of a mega church.

It would get a sympathy congregation through the doors for a while but that would dry up as time passed.
He could only milk her for a short while, playing the devoted husband caring for his wife on his own.
Raising one maybe two children as well.
Money will come in only for a short while before the next tragic case turns up.

He couldn't divorce her as that would totally ruin any reputation he had.
He could have affairs but they would have to remain completely secret, if his congregation found out it would be game over for everything, how heartless and selfish would he be to be cheating on his disabled wife whilst being a pastor, a man of god.
That would be go straight to hell, do not pass go, do not collect $200

I would also bet that any money used to plant the church would be swiftly needing complete repayment.

I wonder if this was an all or nothing roll of the dice?

Right now he feels safe, secure, confident.
He now has a fan page, will he refer to his followers as fans privately if not publicly?
Is he believing his own fairy story?
Is he buying his own hype?
Does he see himself as untouchable?
Does he believe he is being protected by god for some purpose, that god did indeed demand of him the sacrifice of his wife and child?

Is he going to become even more blatant in his language and behavior believing he is god's chosen one?
Are we perhaps seeing a very clever defense in the making even as we speak?

Anonymous said...

"I think; I think; I think; I believe; I believe;"

Yeah, yeah, based upon n.o.t.h.i.n.g. -- just fertile imagination and fiction crime writing.

Statement analysis is incredible and enlightening. 5000 varying theories, hypotheses, and conjecturing put forth daily is NOT.

mom2many said...

For exactly the reasons you stated, I believe this had to be arranged. Davey himself left the door unlocked, so I believe he was behind the arrangement. Also, much is made about the Treezy fb link, but I had tracked several others, including another local huckster "pastor" who I would be digging into, were I investigating this case. All links were sent into IMPD.

Because of the coincidences with the tooth being knocked out and the gap of unaccounted for time between purported waking at 4:30 and leaving after 6am, I can't shake the feeling that some of Amanda's injuries were caused by Davey directly.

That Davey tweeted about preparing this particular sermon one month in advance, which was unusual, also leads me toward premeditation.Amanda would have discovered her pregnancy only a few weeks before. I wonder how long it took her to "break the news?" For such a lengthy prep, there sure was a lot of stuttering and stammering during the listing of Davey's worries.

Heisstillgay said...

Only have a minute, will write more later, havent had time to read comments.
In the probable cause, cooperating individual is straightforward in his rendition until he begins parroting language
"Taylor said he had shot her in THE UPPER BODY"
SHOT IN UPPER BODY...this is "technical languagr". This is police language that was fed to him that he parroted back. Taylor did not say I "shot her in upper body". Police fed the cooperating individual that info and he parroted it back. Notice she was also shot twice in "upper body" yet CI implies she was shot once.
"Bent over her body"...Taylor did not say this...this is the language of storytelling.
"Looked into her face and watched her bleed"..,Taylor did not say that...this is storytelling language.
I will write more later.

mom2many said...

Davey recently said that they were being prepared for a season of pain, and said that they believed they would lose the baby. Who initiated that assumption? Did they play the Levi Lusko video on their trip, stated by Davey as preparation for his heart in advance of the murder, to prepare for the loss of the baby? That video was about his loss of a child.

Davey said that Amanda would willing sacrifice her bodily integrity (let herself be cut, I believe he said) if it would help people, in one of the interviews directly after the murder. Did Davey talk Amanda into letting him assault her to inflict a miscarriage, all the while planning to murder her instead?

If Davey participated in the assault, I cannot understand why Amanda didn't call for help unless, (a) she was incapacitated, or (b) a willing participant.

Sequence of Events Conjecture:
Amanda finds out she is pregnant.
Amanda tells Davey.
Davey freaks out.
Davey begins to plan the assault/murder.
Davey suggests to Amanda that God told him they would lose this baby.
Davey repeatedly instills in her mind that the pregnancy is doomed.
Davey seeks out a solution for ridding himself of Amanda and meets with someone to take care of it.
Davey adds several intermediate fb friends to disguise his true intermediary (and/or was a method the kilt gang used to identify a target).
Davey begins prep for the Worry sermon.
Amanda consents to stage the robbery/miscarriage.
Davey assaults Amanda, knocks out her tooth and targets her abdomen, tosses Amanda's purse contents and leaves the particular debit card aside for payment for the hit men (probably with other arrangements to pay the higher ups).
Once he leaves, Taylor enters and murders Amanda.

mom2many said...

I wonder if there were any thug fingerprints on the purse contents? They did not demonstrate concern for concealing their identity through dna on the beverages they consumed at the previous house.

Leslie said...

mom2many-
When recently speaking at New Spring, Davey mentioned that he'd felt they would lose the pregnancy, and he referenced that in describing how he found Amanda after (finally) coming inside after going for his workout and talking with KW (paraphrased). He did not give the impression that he'd expressed the fear of Amanda losing this pregnancy to her.

It sounds like something he added, for sympathy, and to explain his downplaying of finding Amanda brutally murdered, IMO.

I have also wondered when and how it was decided that Davey and Amanda would watch Levi Lesko's video on the way to their "romantic" getaway. I would imagine it was Davey's idea....

Anonymous said...

Yes, it is CONJECTURE.

BTW, while 'conjecture' is certainly not an uncommon word, it seems as if it gets a reaction when used. Why? It's not a 'big' word; it's a useful word; it's a fairly simple word.

It's what comprises the bulk of this blog.

Anonymous said...

I couldn't agree more, Anonymous at 1:15. Throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks -- no matter how improbable, impossible or downright absurd -- accomplishes nothing. It's not helping authorities, it's not getting "justice" for Amanda. It's just sick, twisted fantasy writing. Mental masturbation.

The theories that Amanda was already near death when the killers arrived are ridiculous enough. Now it's being suggested she volunteered to stage a robbery/miscarriage? How can anyone take this junk seriously?

Anonymous said...

....and somewhere, one of these crime fiction writers referenced how convenient and unusual it was that Davey's friend, KW, tweeted (?) about their driveway talk, as if, somehow, KW were complicit with Davey in Amanda's murder.....along with, of course, Amanda's dad and who else? Oh yeah, Meg

I'm tellin ya, these commenters have vivid imaginations and often come across as hysterical; certainly not reasonable.

HISG said...

Only have a minute...still in a rush...why wouldnt Amanda have dialed 911 when Taylor left the house and threw cards in the car? Remember, at this point, her lower tooth had been bashed out. The phone was found on the floor next to the bed! Really?! Would not her instinct be to grab the phone abd Weston and lock herself in the bathroom/bedroom if not to also LOCK THE FRONT DOOR?!?! Weston was found in his crib by Davey and "appeared fine" according to Davey. Amanda had not grabbed him from the crib which would be every mother's 1st instinct? Why would Taylor have risked reentering the home knowing Amanda most likely would have called 911 when he went out to the car?
If they sped off and left him there, yes, it makes sense he reentered the home so as not to be visible. However, is there any proof that he did in fact reenter the home?
Drugs: Noone has touched upon this...Could Davey have lured them there initially in order to frame them with the promise of drugs? (In other words, he may have sold drugs as well as has involvement with the thug ring.
Davey spent time with "the Lord" right there on the couch. Very solid image as if "the Lord" were seated right next to him. Could this have been an actual person? A drug dealer....a drug "Lord".

Anonymous said...

Don't forget the neighborhood watch guy, Anonymous at 4:06. He wore a sweater similar to one of Davey's sweaters, so he must be in on it, lolol.

Anonymous said...

I wish you would decide on a theory and stick with it....expand upon it. This jumping around with multiple stories and hypotheses and all your (watch out..,.big word warning) CONJECTURING is confusing, to say the least and renders you less than believable and manic.

rosy said...

tania cadogan -

I think you're onto something here:

"We also have an odd statement apart from the stuttering.

I worry about th–, th–, th–, th–, th–, the fragility of– of a new church and wh–wh– what that looks like."

It's not the fragility of life as such that jinxes his fluency. It's the fragility of the unborn (or as Gov Pence and cohorts in Indiana say, the pre-born), and what THAT looks like (for example in an embryo sonogram).

He was weighing the fragility of an unborn new life AGAINST the value he put on his "young," embryonic church. In actuality, Resonate had been dragging on for 3 years, but he weighing it against the pregnancy he felt Resonate was the fragile one. It was his ego's baby, his investment, his future.

His stuttering is a sign of internal struggle over the challenge of this pregnancy. His transfer of the key word "fragility" from its appropriate object, the embryo/fetus, to what mattered more to him, the "church," shows where his preference lay at that time.

Anonymous said...

Heisgay said:

"solid image as if "the Lord" were seated right next to him. Could this have been an actual person? A drug dealer....a drug "Lord"."

Are you ok? Your conjecturing is becoming more fantastical by the minute.

This has veered so far from SA; now, it's nothing more than, "let's see who can come up with the most outrageous screenplay...oh wait, I can even outdo myself."

rosy said...

To expand on what this suggests to me:

"I worry about th–, th–, th–, th–, th–, the fragility of– of a new church and wh–wh– what that looks like." DB November 8, 2015


I'm trying to reduce hype or melodrama while sharpening focus.

First, the stuttering is not uncharacteristic, it's typical for him when the topic is "sensitive."

Second, no way did he ask for, far less obtain, Amanda's consent to "stage" miscarriage or abortion. He may has wished or desired she'd suffer a miscarriage or could have an abortion. But abortion is one of the biggest taboos in their culture.

However, in transferring "fragility" from embryo to "church, he shows defiance. Why bring up a host of worries and fling them at his wife, publically, just when she is carrying a fragile new life?

I worry about finances. Like how are we gonna pay that bill, and how are we gonna make these ends meet, I mean how are we gonna do this—I worry about that. I bet every single person here worries on some level about that.
I worry about my future.
I worry about th–, the future of this church.
I worry about th–, th–, th–, th–, th–, the fragility of– of a new church and wh–wh– what that looks like.
I worry, I worry about my kids.
Davey, did you just say kids? Yes I did. Guess what?
Come on! Yeah-he-he!"


He threw his worries in her face. whether explicitly at home or on the down-low in his heart, he blamed her for getting pregnant when HE was carrying, burdened by, pregnant with the worries of "planting" and birthing Resonate. He felt and insinuated that the "fragility" of his church was more precious than the fragility of the embryo/fetus.

He announced the pregnancy from the stage by way of a joke (("my kids"), covering the tracks of his rejection of this new conception while at the same time depriving Amanda of a moment of cherishing and dignity she should have received.

Anonymous said...

He rejected the new pregnancy?

Just because an idea is repeated many times over here does not baud it the truth.

Anonymous said...

*make

Heisstillgay said...

Tania,

Brilliant! That had to be the phrase he was self-censoring...it completely eluded me...you wrote

The fragility of LIFE

Was this what he was going to say before he self edited and changed it to church?

Ask yourself this, which of these phrases flows naturally?
which of these phrases sounds right?

fragility of a new church
or
The fragility of life

Heisstillgay said...

Anon 5:06,

Thank you for your concern about my mental state...I can assure you I am perfect psychological health.

I have read much of Davey's semi-organized gibber-gabber about God and his supposed "interactions" with God, and I will tell you right now that his statement about "spending quality time with the Lord right there on that couch" has a much more concrete quality (suggesting he may actually have been seated with another human on the couch) than his other more "mystical" interactions with God. He also refers to God as "Lord" here which is unusual for him.
Perhaps YOU need to learn more about SA leakage as well as changes in languagae and changes in nouns.

And, perhaps YOU need a psychological work-up if you don't think drugs were involved in this fiasco which resulted in the murder of Amanda.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to get back on this case.

Heisstillgay said...

should say "were not" involved ^^^^^^^

rosy said...

Yes, Anonymous at 5:44 PM


Yes, I'm suggesting that he rejected the new pregnancy. He transferred the word "fragility" from its proper object, the new conception (embryo, fetus, pregnancy, baby-to-be) to his "church."

This is how the entire series "Worship as a Weapon," with dramatic emphasis on worries and how shoot them away with worship, turned into a prelude to announcing the pregnancy.

Saying "I worry about my kids" as a way of announcing that his wife is expecting a second child was not even a joke about the pregnancy; it was his way of skipping over, eliding, pregnancy and infancy, stages he loathed about rearing ("leading/shepherding") a "kid."

Heisstillgay said...

Interesting snippet I found of Davey describing the morning before Amanda was killed...I believe it contains information which describes the physical position Amanda was placed in when Davey shot her execution style.

The sentence from the following is "When I looked back toward her side of the bed, there she was, on both knees, bowing beside the bed. Leading the way in surrender."

"Bowing" is not the same as "kneeling".
"Bowing" is what is used to describe ISIS prisoners kneeling and bowing forward waiting to be shot execution style.



"On Monday morning, November 9th – the morning before she was killed – I remember walking into our bedroom at about 7:30 in the morning. I had just finished some time reading the Bible and praying and knew that she was up doing the same. When I walked in the bedroom, however, I didn’t see her in her normal spot propped up on the bed reading. I peered around the corner to check the bathroom. She wasn’t there either. When I looked back toward her side of the bed, there she was, on both knees, bowing beside the bed. Leading the way in surrender."

sore thumb said...

From the affidavit :

"Blackburn said he left his home around 6:00 AM ... left the gym at approximately 7:10 AM ... and was still on the phone when he arrived home at approximately 7:30 AM."

"Detective Mahon also retrieved video from the LA Fitness which confirmed David Blackburn's location and the timing of Blackburn at LA Fitness."

"Lieutenant Roger Spurgeon interviewed Natasha Jones Tank. At approximately 6:40-6:45, she was in bed at 2824 Sunnyfield Court. She heard two shots and what sounded like a woman scream."

(Keep in mind that the same cameras which captured the killers coming and going in the stolen car would also have recorded DB coming and going in his car.)

These are facts. Known facts.

Heisstillgay said...

sore thumb,

I believe Davey killed her BEFORE he left for the gym.

I don't place too much credence on a woman who heard (the wrong number) of shots while sleeping and "what sounded like a woman screaming". Maybe what she heard was a man screaming when he saw her dead.

sore thumb said...

For someone who is such an expert investigator, I'm surprised you're not aware of how often people are mistaken about how many shots they heard. The woman was in bed. She might not have been aware of the first shot because she was sound asleep.

You think one of the thugs screamed? You can't be serious.



You're just picking and choosing which facts to believe to fit your warped fantasies.

Heisstillgay said...

Sore thumb,

All that's needed is common sense to realize that noone can even hear gunshots while they are asleep nevermind note the time that they occurred.

When was the last time you noted the time something occurred while you were asleep?

Why is that so hard for you to believe that an individual who is asleep/unconscious is not a reliable witness or source for information?

What is it you believe about the case? That Davey had no involvement? Just curious.

Heisstillgay said...

sore thumb,

And please do tell me what you think happened...I am interested.

We are dealing with SA, and what is paramount, I feel, at this stage, is to look at the probable cause, beginning on page 24, where the cooperating individual begins parroting what the police have told him about the case, such as that Amanda had been "shot in the upper body".

There is NO WAY Taylor used the expression "I shot her in the upper body".
Even if he had been vague when recounting his misdeeds, he would have said something like "dude, I think I shot her in the back or the arm or something." NOT "I shot her in the upper body".

Do you believe he also said to his friends "Dude, after I "leaned over her body" and shot her in the head, I stared into her face and watched her bleed". Seriously?!

smh said...

The cooperating individual's version of events in the affidavit is a summary written by a law enforcement official as relayed to him by the CI. There's little doubt it is not the exact words of Larry Taylor.

Heisstillgay said...

smh,

If you were a law enforcement official, and your cooperating individual told you in which part of the body that Taylor had said he shot Amanda, are you telling me that you would make it VAGUE?
If I was interviewing CI and CI said "Taylor said he shot her in the back." there is no well in hell I would not write down that precise detail.
If CI told me "Taylor said he wasn't sure exactly where he shot her first, he said he thought he shot her in the back" there is no way in hell I would not write that down.

Why would ANY law enforcement officer not write down such an important detail as it was stated???????? This is fundamental evidence in the murder charge!

If the law enforcement official was given more exact info than "upper body" you can be damn sure he would write it down ie."Taylor said he shot her in the back, arm, waist, chest etc.

Cooperating individual is parroting back the phrase "upper body" because I am sure that they informed him she was shot in the upper body when trying to get him to talk during interrogation.

smh said...

Everything the cooperating individual said was most certainly recorded. That's standard operating procedure. What the detective chooses to include in the affidavit is another story. The info included in the probable cause affidavit is the info needed to prove probable cause, nothing more.

The fact that you think the affidavit includes every single detail of everything the police know and what was said to them proves you're not the expert you pretend to be.

Concerned said...

To those who have been discussing the Davey Blackburn case in a rational way,
you know that we often have commenters who are perhaps not well and who go
off in all directions with new theories every day. They jump on one thing written here
and run with it. They insist they are following the tenets of SA and you are not.

It seems the best way to deal with that is to ignore it, don't you think?
If not, we risk having people criticize the entire blog and Statement Analysis as something bogus.

So what do you say we ignore anything that tries to take this case down the rabbit hole?

Heisstillgay said...

Concerned,

Right, because I am looking at the language in the probable cause document. How appalling of me. What a disgrace to statement analysis.

Peter would never want me to look at the language in a probable cause document to see if some information is being parroted by an informant when the entire crux of this case rests on that type of possibility.

Heisstillgay said...

Smh said,

Everything the cooperating individual said was most certainly recorded. That's standard operating procedure. What the detective chooses to include in the affidavit is another story. The info included in the probable cause affidavit is the info needed to prove probable cause, nothing more.

You're missing my point. It could very well be recorded, and what is recorded is cooperating individual parroting back information about her being shot "in upper body". The other details provided are specific: "leaned over her body and shot her in the head" "leaned over her more and looked into her face and watched her bleed". There is no reason and it is inconsistent within this document for the law enforcement official to make a detail vague if an actual detail of where she was shot in upper body was provided. The detail is vague for a reason. The reason is that that is as specific as cooperating informant was. He said Taylor said that he shot her in the upper body and that is language which he parroted back.

I don't claim to be an expert. If I was an expert, my screenname would not be "Heisstillgay", would it?

Heisstillgay said...

I'll leave you people to solve this case. Too many armchair philosophers and passive critics and wanna-be psychologists (who I don't mind as much), etc. Done. I have exhausted all my thoughts about this case, and have many other cases to work on and would not want to drag your precious case down a rabbit hole.

Anonymous said...

The paucity of information about what Amanda was doing on the morning she was murdered concerns me.

Davey has told us that:

Tuesday's are his long day.
He was up @ 4:30am.
He spent some time with Jesus on the lounge.
He grabbed his gym bag.
He left the home around six.
He left the door unlocked.
He went to the gym
He spoke toKW on the phone.

There is nothing about Amanda nor the last time he saw her alive and well. This is unexpected. Most (innocent) people will repeat info about last time they saw a person alive and well, and what they said to the person and what the person said to them. It becomes a cherished moment and a focal point.

It is strangely missing from DB statements.

He doesn't even tell us if she was asleep, or whether or not he kissed her goodbye.

And yet we know, very specifically, where she was (on her knees, bowing, on the floor besidethe bed) at 7:30 on the day BEFORE the murder.

Part of statement analysis involves what is NOT said.







Anonymous said...

Concerned @ 11:10

Too late. We are already through the looking glass.

Anonymous said...

HISG,May6 @8:41

Do you REALLY want to know what your banana dream means?

Noimnotgay said...

Well, well, well....

Am I correct in my statement analysis that the 2 anons (the thesaurus-toting armchair philosopher and he budding psychologist) are one person?
I see your multiple personality is not only an expert on Lewis Carroll but on dream symbolism as well.
Fascinating.

HISG said...

Anon 12:59 said

There is nothing about Amanda nor the last time he saw her alive and well. This is unexpected. Most (innocent) people will repeat info about last time they saw a person alive and well, and what they said to the person and what the person said to them. It becomes a cherished moment and a focal point.

It is strangely missing from DB statements.

He doesn't even tell us if she was asleep, or whether or not he kissed her goodbye.

I agree, the lack of information about when he last time saw her/what she was doing is very concerning, particularly since he has gone into detail about what she was doing the morning before her death (the day before)...she was bowing praying on her side of the bed and Davey specifies not in her normal position propped up in bed. The morning of her death, he does not say a thing about her whereabouts or activities as you pointed out.

rosy said...

Heisstillgay, if you're still here - so are you saying that for purposes of the probable cause affidavit, LE fed the CI the information they wanted to hear?

rosy said...

I can think of only one strong argument for indication that LE might have fed CI the claim that Amanda was shot in her "upper body." If the CI interview and statement dated from before the autopsy, LE at that time might not have known whether the upper body shot was made from the front or the back.

But the autopsy was held before 10 days before the Affidavit was released. The shot was described more precisely:

"The autopsy conducted on Amanda Blackburn on Nov. 12 revealed: "(She) sustained a gunshot wound to the back of her head. She also had a gunshot wound to the lower left arm which traveled up to her biceps. She also had a through and through gunshot wound which entered and exited her upper back."

One would think whoever fired the shot had to know what he fired at - unless he shot wildly in midst of a struggle. In any case, LE knew. So why this, 10 days after the autopsy report was released to the press:

November 21: "According to the witness, Taylor ... informed the other men he had killed Amanda Blackburn. He said she charged at him and he shot her somewhere in the upper body so he would not be scratched. He said he then shot her in the back of the head."

Larry Taylor was quoted in the press as saying he was "messed up" and didn't remember doing anything. They drank alcohol along the way. If LT left the Swisher pack on the counter he for one was also smoking dope. If he did tell the other 2 men that he shot Amanda, he might not have known where the "upper body" bullet entered and exited. While "somewhere in the upper body" does not sound like anything he'd say, he might have said it in different words.

Anonymous said...

HISG said:

"Anon 12:59 said

There is nothing about Amanda nor the last time he saw her alive and well. This is unexpected. Most (innocent) people will repeat info about last time they saw a person alive and well, and what they said to the person and what the person said to them. It becomes a cherished moment and a focal point."

How can you possibly know what is discussed among friends and family members? Both DB and Amber recounted how they sat around Amanda's hospital bed, reminiscing and telling Amanda stories. Is it a stretch to think they (Davey included, because for some strange reason, her family and friends DO visit and talk with Davey....SHOCKER!) talk about such things as the last moments they had with her, as well? Who created the website for people to contribute their Amanda stories?

Still, "we" MAY NOT be privvy to things spoken of in private among Davey/family/friends. Of course, focusing only upon things that reinforce personal bias us important in writing fiction, I suppose.

Anonymous said...

To HISG (or whichever gay you are):

Re your comment about the anons being one and the same. I am your self-described thesaurus-carrying anon, and I apologize if my words are too advanced for you. I don't have to carry a thesaurus to have a command of the language. Apparently you do, so I will remind myself of this when talking to or about you.

Let me remind you, we are all anons on here, unless your real name is heisgay.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Dear Anonymous (any and all)- It would be much more beneficial to choose a name. Without one, the resulting blog posts read as though you are arguing with yourself (yourselves). It makes for an amusing split personality moment.

Seriously, if you're taking the time to post and feel so strongly about your position, why hide behind the Anonymous moniker? Aggressive or condescending Anonymous posts speak of cowardice and hit and run tactics. It detracts from your credibility and undermines you position.

Yes, technically none of us (I hope) are so naive as to use our "real" names. However, we've committed to choosing a name and establishing an identity for the sake of civil discourse. I invite you to do the same. As Peter so often says, "Choose a name." ;)

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Dear Thesaurus-toting Anonymous ;)

May I suggest a few screen names to choose from to cut down on the confusion? Nameless, Unsigned, or Unknown?

Anonymous said...

Henceforth, I will be MB, because you do gave a point.

HISG said...

MB,

You neednt apologize, I have already forgiven you and am back on the case.

To all,

I have been pondering Anon's point about Davey not talking about the last time he saw Amanda that morning. Further above I had provided the snippet where he recalls the last time
he saw her the morning BEFORE the murder.
In my opinion, this missing information suggests her death happened much earlier than that morning, possibly even preceding midnight.

Also, regarding the probable cause, it is fundamentally flawed.
The detective has written down a contradiction where his CI states that Taylor said he "shot her in upper body" to prevent her scratching him...however all of the bullet holes were in the back side of her body. Why weren't there follow-up questions asked? Why wasn't this inconsistency addressed in the probable cause?
It certainly supports the idea of a parroted account of the murder where LE "got what they wanted" which is a version that says "yep Taylor did it" yet it doesn't match up with forensic evidence.

Anonymous said...

Why do you suppose LE would ignore such blatantly clear evidence? (Sarcasm) Why, it's just so obvious.

Seriously, don't you suppose LE has capable people who have looked at various theories?

MB

HISG said...

MB,

I guarantee you the defense will be all over that, saying Taylor wasnt the one who killed her bc the evidence which shows she was shot from behind with the first shot doesnt match what the CI is saying that Taylor shot Amanda when she "charged" at him. It's a big hole in the case against him.

mom2many said...

I still don't understand how the CI statement is worth anything at all. It seems to fall under the definition of hearsay, which would be inadmissible in court. I don't understand how it could add weight to the probable cause, at least the portion dealing with events he was not a direct witness to.

smh said...

Gay,

Amanda was not dead when Davey returned home from the gym, therefore there's no way she was dead "possibly even preceeding midnight" the night before.

Due to the description of her arm injury, the general consensus seems to be that Amanda's arm was up in a defensive position when shot. It's impossible for someone to shoot her from behind and have the bullet travel up from her lower arm to her bicep unless the shooter was on the floor and shooting upwards, no?

The affidavit states, "She also had a gunshot wound to the lower left arm which traveled up to her biceps."

As mentioned in another comment, it's possible Taylor was uncertain where exactly he shot her. You also seem to overlook the possibility that Taylor was not being completely honest with the CI. In addition to being an accused rapist and two-time murderer, he's also a liar. He lied to police about not remembering anything....right before he suddenly started remembering.

There is no contradiction. The tiny bit of forensic evidence shared in the affidavit in no way excludes Taylor as the shooter.

Taylor was inside the Blackburn home, as his phone records show, when the neighbor heard the shots and the scream and while the other guys were being caught on camera at the ATMs (and their phones were pinging near the ATMs). It is what it is.

Statement Analysis Blog said...

One investigator (not in the Blackburn murder) says he feels strongly that evidence should have been examined to learn if Amanda's mouth was covered at all, after the assailants left the home. Simply put, he does not believe the complaining husband of a pregnant woman who wanted to be free to pursue his business could possibly be as lucky as this guy has been.

Obviously, his wording, but his mind works like a computer: he sees crime scenes from descriptions in an amazing way.

HISG said...

SMH

You wrote

Due to the description of her arm injury, the general consensus seems to be that Amanda's arm was up in a defensive position when shot. It's impossible for someone to shoot her from behind and have the bullet travel up from her lower arm to her bicep unless the shooter was on the floor and shooting upwards, no?

I don't see why he would have had to be on the floor shooting upwards. Just for arguments sake, couldn't he have been on top of her or standing above her and she is on the floor with her arm bent straight up like trying to cover her chest in a defensive posture?
I will look at the affidavit again.

When I say she was possibly dead preceding midnight...I mean almost dead, I mean she had been attacked. It is very difficult to keep clarifing "almost dead" so I just say dead...I mean she had sustained the injuries at that point.

Why doesn't Davey recount seeing her before he left that morning?
He mentions in detail seeing her the morning before the morning she was found almost dead when he went to leave the house in the morning.

HISG said...

Peter,

Very interesting theory about her mouth possibly being covered when the assailants left. After all, there was duct tape found on the scene. That is very thought-provoking.

smh said...

HISG, but YOU said "all of the bullet holes were in the back side of her body," making it impossible for Taylor to have shot her to avoid being scratched and that the info in the affidavit was contradictory.

Now you're presenting a scenario almost identical to what I was saying -- that her arm was in a defensive position and the shot DID NOT come from behind.

Do you even know what you're saying anymore? You're basically making my point for me now that there's no contradiction in the affidavit.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Thinking about the left lower arm bullet traveling up the biceps, It is a mistake to assume that the shooter was below her. The shooter could in fact have been on top of her and Amanda raised her left arm to push/fight him off. Taylor could have shot at her, hitting her left lower arm and it traveled up her arm to her biceps. Taylor's statement re: wanting to avoid being scratched could very well have been true (with him blaming the victim "She charged me...') as an excuse for shooting her). I know posters have discussed that Taylor should have been covered in blood from the murder (and neighbors would have seen that), but Taylor was wearing dark clothing and no one came that close to him. A number of people saw him that morning in the cul de sac and none called LE, much less approached him.

HISG said...

smh,

I am trying to find the coroner's diagram online and can't but I have seen it before when it was posted on this site and I could have sworn that the bullet entered the back of her arm at the bicep. I can only find online that she was shot in the forearm and it traveled up into the bicep. There is no way for me to understand exactly what this means without a diagram.
Apparently, it did not go through her arm, as you seem to be proposing: that it entered the back of her forearm and went through her bent arm and entered her bicep.

It sounds to me like the shot to her back entered at an angle, where the person was standing not directly lined up with her, because the bullet entered the back and left through the back.

It sounds like she may have been running away from someone when they shot her in the back. Then, the head wound would have finished her off. The arm wound...I need to see the diagram.

I do not believe Amanda charged him.

She would have been quivering in fear since he had allegedly already bashed her in the mouth with a gun knocking out her front tooth. Any mother's instinct would have been to run and to grab her son and run in the bathroom and lock the door, not to CHARGE an armed man. Who would do that? (Keep in mind the armed man had already bashed out her tooth.)
Also, why would she not have called 911 when Taylor went out to throw the cards in the car? (Her phone was found next to the bed). Why would she not have locked the front door?

To summarize: It would be very helpful to see the coroner's diagram.

I do stand by my point that the affidavit seems to contain parroted language in the form of "shot her in the upper body". CI would have given the detective a MORE specific detail than that like "he shot her in the arm...or he thought he might have shot her in the arm" SO how would it be in any way helpful for the detective to make this LESS specific in the form of "Taylor said he shot her in upper body". Also, it does not account for the back wound, which sounds to me like someone was chasing her and shot her at an angle, and this absolutely contradicts CI's statement that Amanda charged Taylor...it sounds to me like she was running away from someone.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Peter- Quick question regarding the possibility of Amanda's mouth being covered. Covered in what way? Some posters seem to be assuming with the duct tape. With a split lip and a tooth knocked out, given how much mouth injuries bleed, would the blood have prevented duct tape from sticking? Or am I missing something? I don't have a whole lot of experience with crime scenes (grateful for that). :0

rosy said...

Has an autopsy report with or without diagrams ever been posted online? Is one available?

When is the next court date for Larry Jo Taylor and/or others in this case?

rosy said...

Anonymous HISG said...
"Any mother's instinct would have been to run and to grab her son and run in the bathroom and lock the door, not to CHARGE an armed man. Who would do that? (Keep in mind the armed man had already bashed out her tooth.)"


I think you want to have it too many ways at once. Suppose the armed man, Larry Jo Taylor, stood between AB and the stairs. How could she run and grab her son (upstairs in his bedroom) without charging the armed man? Where was her phone? Upstairs, beside her bed. A lockable bathroom? Probably upstairs.

So what about when he left her and took the cards out to the car? why didn't she lock the door or run out the back door? He had smashed her in the mouth with the gun and she was probably half-unconscious, dazed. She may have lost consciousness for a few minutes. Unknown.

Nat said...

what if there were two perpetrators, who knew where the cameras were located? there are times the physique seems to change. also with LE saying the perpetrator may have recorded the murder ... seems impossible for one person to do.

Leslie said...

Nat, are you referring to Missy Bever's case?

HISG said...

Rosy, I am talking about the actions Amanda would have taken when Taylor went out to the car.

She would have locked the door behind him locking him out.

She would have called 911. (By the way, i believe the phone was dropped next to the bed as part of the staging so we don't know where it was initially.)

She would have grabbed Weston and gone in bathroom or bedroom and locked the door.

Also, I find it very doubtful that the gun would knock out the bottom tooth. I have seen someone get punched in the mouth knocking out all 4 top teeth (not a pretty sight) and the bottom teeth were just fine. Also, I have seen accounts of people getting hit in mouth with a gun and it knocked out one top tooth. I feel perhaps the bottom tooth got knocked out from being pushed or running and tripping maybe when she was running away from the shooter who shot her in the back and hitting her mouth on maybe the stairs.

rosy said...

HSIG
CI says Larry Taylor says he hit Amanda with the gun before bringing out a couple of cards to the car.

I may be wrong, but to me it makes sense that the reason LT hit Amanda was to make her tell him the pin #. She then may have collapsed to the floor or passed out for a few minutes and not recovered in time to do anything like lock the door or find her phone. CI indicates that as soon as LT threw the cards in the car, he went back into the house.

I would not underestimate the effect of being hit by a gun hard enough to knock out a tooth. Of course, thinking this through, if she did collapse, how was she able to tell him the # before that happened?

rosy said...

HSIG

I suspect that what it comes down is, Larry Taylor is violent. He's the kind of young thug who might indeed hit a woman with his gun AFTER she did what he asked, gave him her purse, and told him her PIN#. He might do it even though she was not resisting. He might do it just as he turned to take the cards out to the car, to make darn sure she would not try to escape.

kimisan03 said...

Has anyone read the latest blog post? I hope Weston will find some comfort in those words someday. However, he STILL hasn't said "I loved Amanda."

Anonymous said...

HISG at 10:07 PM said...

“I do not believe Amanda charged him.

She would have been quivering in fear since he had allegedly already bashed her in the mouth with a gun knocking out her front tooth. Any mother's instinct would have been to run and to grab her son and run in the bathroom and lock the door, not to CHARGE an armed man. Who would do that? (Keep in mind the armed man had already bashed out her tooth.)
Also, why would she not have called 911 when Taylor went out to throw the cards in the car? (Her phone was found next to the bed). Why would she not have locked the front door?”

I once had a gun held to my head and I also charged the gun man. I had already accepted that I was going to die and that if I co-operated I could still be killed. The tipping point was when I saw my son. At the sight of him, I felt the most incredible, insane and deepest primitive fury ever. There was no time to think during the events, I was running on instinct and that is when I charged. Nothing I did at that time made sense—it was an animal-like response to a threat to my child.

If Amanda had been able to grab her son and run to safety, she probably would have. If she had already been bashed in the mouth, she was probably more concerned about saving Weston than herself. Adrenaline would have made the pain almost unnoticeable.

Anonymous Daisy

Anonymous said...

.....and the more time that passes, the more obvious it becomes that statement analysis (even the altered one) got it wrong.

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