tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post3567840952245512730..comments2024-03-18T04:20:15.987-04:00Comments on Statement Analysis ®: Dabbling in Lie DetectionStatement Analysis Bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13607372649929274491noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-8615179743742608562015-11-02T16:58:28.423-05:002015-11-02T16:58:28.423-05:00Here's the link I forgot to add. Duh.
http:/...Here's the link I forgot to add. Duh. <br /><br />http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/29/honolulu-police-allegations-officer-harassed-lesbian-coupleAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08696212539579604251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-39848764133951603342015-11-02T16:57:02.682-05:002015-11-02T16:57:02.682-05:00OT: Lesbian couple arrested for kissing in public....OT: Lesbian couple arrested for kissing in public.<br /><br />Possible fake hate?<br /><br />"I really just want an example to be made, despite whatever happens..." "...I just think what he did was absolutely wrong, without a doubt."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08696212539579604251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-4440519030200044422015-11-02T11:31:20.658-05:002015-11-02T11:31:20.658-05:00Thanks for that info. I don't even get it. It&...Thanks for that info. I don't even get it. It's like he's being hidden. <br /><br />The sheriff at first implied whatever ggp said was useless because of his physical and mental deteriation. Later, the sheriff quoted what ggp said as if he relied upon it. To top it off, ggp took a polygraph. How reliable was that? <br /><br />And I can't help but think of Isaac Reinwand's words, "Have you talked to Grandpa?" Why no, Isaac. It seems no one is allowed to talk to him. Susnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-29152553795899877322015-11-02T11:03:43.897-05:002015-11-02T11:03:43.897-05:00Yes, that is what I am saying. She was adopted by ...Yes, that is what I am saying. She was adopted by Bob Walton and his wife, who went on to marry Bates.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-75212575434952661212015-11-02T10:55:36.561-05:002015-11-02T10:55:36.561-05:00She was adopted by Bates when Bob Walton and her m...She was adopted by Bates when Bob Walton and her mother divorced. Bob Walton gave up custody of her and her brother. <br /><br />Are you saying she was first adopted by Walton? I'm not aware of that. But I wouldn't know.Susnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-84097852123412380282015-11-02T10:37:49.537-05:002015-11-02T10:37:49.537-05:00Trina's defensiveness (and closeness) to her f...Trina's defensiveness (and closeness) to her father is bewildering, considering he abandoned her (as mentioned on this blog), also considering she was originally adopted by Bob Walton. <br /><br />It just makes no sense. If she wasn't raised by him, when did she become close to him?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-43367396475680703232015-11-02T04:26:12.508-05:002015-11-02T04:26:12.508-05:00Peter, how vast is the difference, if any, in the ...Peter, how vast is the difference, if any, in the expected and unexpected with interviewing male rape victims? <br />Are they even more different, or more similar if the assault happens in childhood, before or after speech development?<br /><br />Since they happen less frequently and are even less likely to be reported, are you as confident in the system's reliabilty with the volume of interviews you've all gathered? <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-90685067345661494582015-11-02T03:56:30.452-05:002015-11-02T03:56:30.452-05:00Quoting Just My Thoughts Only:
(just couldn't ...Quoting Just My Thoughts Only:<br />(just couldn't resist! :^D )<br />"Also I can't get over how fixated Grandma Clegg is on the stupid rumors and innuendos..."<br />~~~~<br />This, and the "if we have to" wtf-ery jumped out at me! Even before reading yours I was thinking exactly the same thing.<br />(that happens often with your posts).<br /><br />My best friend is SuperMom, she hadn't heard or read much of little DeOrr's case. As we made dinner and watched the game, her shocked face looking over and, "Wait, that's the (mom-dad-grandma-etc.) who said that?!? to so many of these bizarre quotes from the Kunz think tank, it would've been funny if not for the situation.<br /><br /><br />Quoting JMTO:<br />"...and that she is upset people are saying her father Is too old and in poor health to have been watching the child."<br />~~~~<br /><br />Wait, haven't DeOrr and Jessica floated that one themselves a few times to see if it would excuse them from any accountability? <br />(I think they're advised/reminded each time it won't.)<br /><br />The more I revisit their comments about winter coming, "last" search of the season, reality setting in that maybe an animal got him, etc., the more my gut feels they're getting sick of dealing with this and are laying groundwork to end it.<br /><br />It isn't fading away nearly as fast as they anticipated, the cash hasn't even rolled in, I don't think? <br />Likely at DeOrr's direction they'll toss out a few feelers about a quiet winter and strategizing from home all the data collected during the physical searches. Nobody's confusing the guy with Einstein, after all.<br /><br />They hope to drop out of sight "for the winter" and by spring we've all finally moved on to other stories.<br />But the sheriff's team will close in long before that. If they were done with this, they would want the public done, too, especially the frenzied social media it's still drawing!<br /><br />They would be much more forthcoming with the polygraph results and anything clearing grieving, <i>innocent</i> parents, as well as the overload on support staff fending off the same questions all day every day.<br /><br />They're just making sure it's airtight, not a single loophole or missed detail; they don't want to set free another Casey Anthony, two in this case.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-33334888482450662122015-11-01T23:53:06.240-05:002015-11-01T23:53:06.240-05:00John..Thanks for posting link to article.
Who we...John..Thanks for posting link to article. <br /><br />Who were all these "family members" searching frantically for 1 hour before they called police?" Grandpa? Lugging around his O2 tank..and the parents? An hour is a LONG time. 60 whole minutes..tick..tick..tick..I'm calling bullshit on that one. I think it is unexpected that most parents would wait a full hour before calling for help if their 2 year old was missing. That's crap. An hour is an eternity.<br />A four wheeler? Was this a stealth four wheeler? One that made absolutely NO noise? Please. I think Peter is correct..that hour lag time is when parents were arguing about calling 911, and if you're arguing, you're not searching. <br />The families lack of media interviews or facetime on network shows is not expected either. Theyve given 2 interviews in 4 months? I would let the school newspaper interview me if it would get the word out more.<br /><br />Foodie...thanks for the input. I get what you're saying and the article was very interesting indeed.<br /><br />Sus...the noises bug me. I feel like those are like Ummms...sooooo...uhhhhh...just fillers to have time to think and to break up the flow of the free edit stage. I mostly want to know because during transcription, would one note how many times a subject giggled? Cleared his throat? Coughed? Is there a pattern to it? Does it only happen when SA shows a subject is sensitive to a question? Is it even helpful? lyndahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00493739512074677263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-7288551181069919492015-11-01T15:46:37.714-05:002015-11-01T15:46:37.714-05:00That article was good. Thanks, John. I agree. Tina...That article was good. Thanks, John. I agree. Tina Bates Clegg is defensive about and very protective of her father. Are you all aware that when ggp divorced her mother, he gave up custody of Trina and her brother? They were actually raised by a step-father. That's where the Bates name comes in. I don't know when they reconnected. Along with that fact and him supposedly meeting Reinwand at AA, I can put together a picture of Trina and her father's relationship. It's the classic "daughter protects father so he won't abandon me again."<br /><br />That article also reinforced something I've been noticing...image is everything to Trina Bates Clegg. In her description on Facebook she says she is the best mother ever. (Paraphrasing) To be the best mother, her children have to be perfect. They can't lose custody, get arrested for drugs, live with ne'er-do-wells and their fathers (Kunz), lose children camping, or have others question their parenting. I think in that first interview it was all about pleasing Trina. I think she was worried about rumors and wanted them addressed. She has done Deorr Sr and Jessica a great disservice, not to mention her own grandson.<br /><br />I could probably say more, but right now I'm stuck on Trina. Susnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-69900561131414665722015-11-01T15:25:08.628-05:002015-11-01T15:25:08.628-05:00Lynda,
It seems to me that yes, our views are base...Lynda,<br />It seems to me that yes, our views are based upon past experience. If we analyze only from our view, based upon our past experience, we can't do a complete analysis. <br /><br />Thus, when we analyze, we must expand and look at the speaker's words through their view and their past experience. It doesn't matter what the past experience of the analyst if she/he is capable of leaving it behind during analysis.<br /><br />Sorry, I have no answer about the noises. Sinus drainage?? Haha. Susnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-51786187238278833722015-11-01T13:53:18.365-05:002015-11-01T13:53:18.365-05:00Thanks John for the article.
I went and read the w...Thanks John for the article.<br />I went and read the whole thing.<br /><br />The comment that bothered me the most was this one -<br /><br />“We will go up every weekend if we have to,” grandmother Trina Bates Clegg said.<br /><br />I don't know why - but my first thought after reading that was "if my son was missing- I wouldn't HAVE to do anything- I would become a hermit and live on that mountain."<br /><br />I know that parents that have children go missing can't do that- their lives have to somewhat go on for their other children, etc. but still.....<br /><br />And did anyone notice that the Sheriff and Deputies refused to say if Jessica and Deorr were suspects, if they passed the polygraph....<br />They don't say it so we can't say it for them!<br /><br />Also I can't get over how fixated Grandma Clegg is on the stupid rumors and innuendos- and that she is upset people are saying her father Is too old and in poor health to have bee watching the child. <br /><br />Um, isn't that what Jessica does?<br />She is his caregiver?<br />You wouldn't leave a two year old to be babysat by someone who also needs elder sat?<br /><br />So he is in good health and is of sound mind. Then he should do an interview.<br /><br />Grandma Clegg is very defensive about Jessica- but she is WAY more defensive about GGP- and that makes me wonder. Why would you need to be so defensive?<br /><br /><br />JMTOnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-69090848656996742262015-11-01T09:51:24.844-05:002015-11-01T09:51:24.844-05:00lynda, hopefully a seasoned vet will address the m...lynda, hopefully a seasoned vet will address the mannerisms and tics, but this excellent article someone graciously found for me yesterday explains the potential effects of an interviewer's past and how to avoid them.<br /><br />~~~~<br />http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2015/04/projection-in-statement-analysis.html<br />~~~<br /><br />Its main point is that people who nearly always see deception where none exists, frequently are chronic liars themselves.<br />But keep reading (I was burning halfway through!) he also explains that being badly hurt by liars, especially early in life, can affect one's perception.<br /><br />My abusive father frequently used wrong accusations of lying as an excuse to beat and kick out "confesssions" and as an adult it's obvious he had to have known what he accused in many incidents wasn't even possible.<br />I guess you could call that hurt by a liar in a roundabout way? My older brother is still a pathological liar in his 50s, and may have been anyway, but it sure made life worse growing up.<br /><br />It is good to know my cynicism and issues with trust aren't insurmountable obstacles to objective, top-quality SA.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-59845559331026783722015-11-01T06:20:16.607-05:002015-11-01T06:20:16.607-05:00OT Update:
How could a 2-year-old vanish without ...OT Update:<br /><br /><b>How could a 2-year-old vanish without a trace?</b><br /><br />Snipped:<br /><br /> Grandmother Trina Bates Clegg.<br /><br /><i>"Clegg said the disappearance has been heart-wrenching for her entire family, and criticisms on social media websites regarding the family’s conduct the day of the disappearance and during the investigation afterward have made it worse.<br /><br />“Show me a book, like one of those Dummies books, on how we are supposed to handle something like this,”</i> Clegg said.<br /><br />Maybe read this:<br /><br /><b>Behavioral and Statement Analysis of Missing Children Cases</b><br /><br />http://statement-analysis.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/behavioral-and-statement-analysis-of.html<br /><br /><br /><br />Clegg said <i>"the family has had to issue a cease-and-desist order to some online posters in attempt to stop them from posting comments about the case."</i><br /><br />Neither of DeOrr’s parents would respond to the Journal’s request for an interview regarding the case. However, both Mitchell and Kunz Sr. took lie detector tests a few weeks after their boy disappeared. The Lemhi County Sheriff’s Office decided not to release or comment on the results of those tests.<br /><br />Why won't they release the results<br /><br />Did they fail?<br />Were they inconclusive?<br />If they passed, surely they would release the results, and then maybe some people will cease from pointing the finger at them.<br /><br />Why hasn't Deorrs senior's 911 call been made public to?<br /><br />The Sheriff’s Office also refused last week to comment to the Journal on whether DeOrr’s parents were being considered as suspects in the case.<br /><br />Though the Lemhi County Sheriff’s Office has been tight-lipped about the case, Penner did say there was no evidence the boy was abducted when police first responded. This is why no Amber Alert was ever issued.<br /><br />“<i>It didn’t fit the criteria for an Amber Alert,”</i>Penner said. <i>“There needs to be something that indicated he was abducted, and there hasn’t been anything to indicate that may have happened.”</i><br /><br />http://www.idahostatejournal.com/members/how-could-a--year-old-vanish-without-a-trace/article_10d44717-75dc-5601-aa30-5726228128f8.htmlJohn Mc Gowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430624388902099338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-43592476743456492122015-10-31T21:14:04.150-04:002015-10-31T21:14:04.150-04:00Peter or anyone
Is there any difference in people...Peter or anyone<br /><br />Is there any difference in people that have had several, or even one, brush with being the victim of a crime and their inability to analyze fairly? Does their past color their analysis? I also asked way back that how does SA consider repetitive noises that a person makes during a face-to-face. Repetitive Clearing of the throat or cough, nervous, or not nervou,s laughter or giggling, clucking of the tongue? Since they are sounds does this fall under SA? They are not really body language movements? What does everyone think?<br /><br />Peter..this phenomenon reminds me of "interns disease" wherein once you start learning actual medicine, you begin to convince yourself you have symptoms of each and every one of the diseases you are studying<br /><br />lyndahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00493739512074677263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-24932671316790428492015-10-31T16:19:29.335-04:002015-10-31T16:19:29.335-04:00Quoting article
"She literally attempted to r...Quoting article<br />"She literally attempted to reverse principle to fit her agenda. In a meeting with her superiors later, I expressed concerns about any accused who does not agree with her politically is not likely to be given a fair investigation (civil). "<br />~~~<br />This is bone-chilling after reading of the judge who jailed a traumatized DV victim just to show she's alpha dog.<br /><br />Even worse is that not just her, but those responsible for ensuring she's qualified to gather accurate and objective information saw fit to simply mow over a highly trained expert's clear evidence of disturbing behavior and a lack of critical thinking abilty.<br />(We have to trust Peter she actually is intelligent; it doesn't show here.)<br /><br />This all reads like hyperbole when proofing it, but words don't describe how ugly and destructive is someone like this. <br />We're supposed to not only treat others fairly and objectively, but look out for those who can't defend themselves, not prey on their vulnerabilty. That applies to intellect as well as physical strength.<br /><br />It scares me to think of someone not especially bright or simply scared and overwhelmed by a situation, without alert loved ones close by, launching this one-dimensional idiot's wrath for no fair reason. <br /><br />It scares me to think of someone like this having the power to cause someone losing custody of their children, possibly to the real abusive parent; wrongly going to prison; losing their professional license, career and reputation, etc.<br /><br />Quoting artucle:<br />"What does the person 'have on the line,' so to speak?"<br />~~~<br /><br />Known in politics and fact-checking as "follow the money." <br />Ironic that in analysis it is just as true and just as important, if not even more so, when no actual money is involved.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com