tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post7815817640755871946..comments2024-03-18T04:20:15.987-04:00Comments on Statement Analysis ®: Statement Analysis of William Ruben Ebron Statement Analysis Bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13607372649929274491noreply@blogger.comBlogger95125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-24621875914434690742015-09-02T17:12:31.033-04:002015-09-02T17:12:31.033-04:00I am a bit confused about this part of the intervi...I am a bit confused about this part of the interview and the analysis: Florida Star: Why did you leave the car running with the children inside?<br />This is clearly a why question. However, the analysis that follows addresses those who give reasons why without being asked why. This seems to be contradictory?lgjproducthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17710544952163734234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-27101101954559724302015-08-25T17:57:29.511-04:002015-08-25T17:57:29.511-04:00When do sheriff's change shifts? They might ...When do sheriff's change shifts? They might call "night" 6pm when its still light if the night shift took over... <br /><br />Anon "I"Anon "I"noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-36271233928871991132015-08-22T12:07:58.683-04:002015-08-22T12:07:58.683-04:00In the ramblefest DeOrr Sr. gave he used the pronu...In the ramblefest DeOrr Sr. gave he used the pronunciation of "crick". When I watched that video I thought it sounded unnatural and forced, as if he was trying to give off a good ol' boy image. In the above sheriff's statement he, too, says "crick". Is this common to that region or could DeOrr Sr. be mimicing the sheriff to create a bond between them. My lying, manipulative brother does that and since I think DeOrr Sr. is lying, I wouldn't put it past him to do it, too.<br />Bettynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-57873296795746072532015-08-22T06:27:36.029-04:002015-08-22T06:27:36.029-04:00Several of us have already tried to make this poin...<br />Several of us have already tried to make this point to Juliet a few times, Bethany. It doesn't seem to stick. Hate to tell you but it won't now either. ABBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-12563166512467363782015-08-21T22:56:02.025-04:002015-08-21T22:56:02.025-04:00How could they (LE) have searched the vehicles on ...How could they (LE) have searched the vehicles on Thursday night if the 911 call was made Friday at 2:36?<br />(Scratches head)Bethanyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17319661823945677751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-79636761340329941832015-08-21T20:37:29.131-04:002015-08-21T20:37:29.131-04:00Oh hell Juliet; there isn't anything you have ...Oh hell Juliet; there isn't anything you have said that I didn't get. It is YOU who doesn't get it, or refuses to get it. <br /><br />I suggested you call the sheriff PERSONALLY, then maybe you can get it straight from the horses' mouth since you won't accept it any other way. Course, I doubt you'd ever be able to get through to him, or anyone else... WhatEVAH! - ABBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-44848011406051429072015-08-21T13:06:01.816-04:002015-08-21T13:06:01.816-04:00ABB - I don't think you are getting this - if...ABB - I don't think you are getting this - if I did decide to call anyone, it would not be the Sheriff. :) Julietnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-87415011187866892142015-08-21T10:30:40.409-04:002015-08-21T10:30:40.409-04:00Sorry. Forgot to identify myself...."ABB&quo...Sorry. Forgot to identify myself...."ABB" Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-2956954453211114562015-08-21T10:28:52.940-04:002015-08-21T10:28:52.940-04:00Yes, I have read every post you've made concer...Yes, I have read every post you've made concerning when the vehicles were searched, Juliet, back and forth, back and forth; they have been numerous. Over and over you keep coming right back to this same pesky question. You have asked it in every way you can think of to ask. <br /><br />Like you think it's going to make a difference in the big picture? Like you are the prosecutor getting ready to file charges, or you are a Philadelphia lawyer preparing for your defense? Be reasonable, Juliet! Enough already. <br /><br />However, since you are intent on belaboring this issue to the point of madness; let me ask YOU this: What more do you expect any of us to say when we have all read the same statements you have. What more do you expect US to know that you don't already know? I mean, WHY keep hounding everyone about it over and over when we don't know anymore about it than you do! Same as you, we know ONLY what we are told. <br /><br />NOW, if you can't accept the only answers and statements the public has been given; like I suggested, call up the sheriff and ASK him! he he... I'd just LOVE to be on the other end of that call.... go ahead. do it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-66706749769855335532015-08-21T05:33:45.578-04:002015-08-21T05:33:45.578-04:00Anon at 2.56 - I sometimes find my own, and othe...Anon at 2.56 - I sometimes find my own, and others' repetitive questions tedious, too, but ''question everything' works better for me than 'just accept it'. I'd rather read twenty questions than be told I should just accept something, and don't see how being repeatedly told something can somehow cause it to be true. How does that work? When the Sheriff was interviewed by Nate Eaton, I heard some,things I did not expect to hear, and in Statement Analysis one is meant to take note of the unexpected, which is what I did.<br /><br />Obviously, it would make a significant difference if the vehicles had in fact been searched on the Thursday night, in view of the Friday afternoon 911 calls reporting that baby DeOrr could not be found. The Sheriff's words left me with the impression that he had been led to believe by the parents that DeOrr had disappeared on Thursday night, and also that he and others had searched the vehicles on that night, but later worried in case their search might not have been thorough enough, and if there might have been in one of the vehicles another compartment in which the baby might have been. If the impression is correct, then the implications would be more than a little discomfiting, yes, but that doesn't give me leave to not think about it any further - 'question everything'. It's particularly difficult to keep thinking about it because it's the Sheriff saying these unexpected things. If I phoned the sheriff, and the vehicles had been searched on the Thursday night, do you think he would be very happy or likely to confirm that? It's probably the middle of the night over there now, anyway, plus he's probably sick of tips. :-D. <br /><br />At least one other person heard it in the same way. I am not saying either of us are not mistaken in what we think we heard. If you had read my other post you would see I had considered it feasible that the vehicles were searched on the Friday night, but it is still seems only barely feasible, as it's difficult to imagine LE would not have taken it upon themselves to have searched those vehicles some hours earlier, and again before nightfall, one, the other, anyone, one last time. They were looking for a tiny defenceless two year old; they would all be frantically searching, checking everywhere again and again, just in case, in the hope of finding him before the night fell. I can't imagine it otherwise, but I don't know, I wasn't there. That's why I 'can't ' just accept it'. I would like to be sure of the sequence of events, but to date there doesn't appear to be a decipherable timeline.Julietnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-70678929443866869592015-08-21T02:56:30.652-04:002015-08-21T02:56:30.652-04:00Juliet, you keep raising the question concerning W...Juliet, you keep raising the question concerning WHEN the automobiles were searched, over and over, and repeatedly you have been answered by several posters that it was on FRIDAY NIGHT, that it could NOT have been done on Thursday night since 911 wasn't even called until Friday afternoon. <br /><br />Why can't you just ACCEPT it, the autos were searched on FRIDAY, whether late afternoon, early evening, or during the night. That should satisfy your question once and for all. If it doesn't, why don't you just google the sheriff, get his phone # and call him up and ask him? Maybe THEN you can put it to rest. What difference does it make anyhow? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-42771284778348122632015-08-21T01:31:01.234-04:002015-08-21T01:31:01.234-04:00They may have thought it unnecessary to check the ...They may have thought it unnecessary to check the vehicles, if SAR had arrived first, and already done it, and only decided to search them when it became clear little DeOrr was not in the area, and there was no sign that he had been. That wouldn't have been before nightfall, so It's quite possible the Sherrif found no cause to search the vehicles before then. If I'd been them, I would have been straight in there, and not satisfied unless and until I had checked the vehicles out for myself, too, but I'm not them. It's still strange though, that it sounds as if it all happened on the Thursday. <br /><br />---<br />Buckley, - I think the compartment sentence is especially interesting, also for the second-guessing, possibilities of whom by whom, or does he just mean hindsight's a wonderful thing? - I don't know. ;)Julietnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-44535187711377926112015-08-21T01:14:26.355-04:002015-08-21T01:14:26.355-04:00I know. Coffee dims the memory cells like that, wh...I know. Coffee dims the memory cells like that, while vodka fires new neurons. You might consider switching. :-)Susnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-78960600783365099092015-08-21T00:47:05.610-04:002015-08-21T00:47:05.610-04:00I...I did not know ;)I...I did not know ;)Buckleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04087082956705159705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-4480585208393576562015-08-21T00:46:26.308-04:002015-08-21T00:46:26.308-04:00Ah- did not know about the suburban and camper.Ah- did not know about the suburban and camper.Buckleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04087082956705159705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-43198597259440775292015-08-21T00:39:57.204-04:002015-08-21T00:39:57.204-04:00That is very observant, Buckley. It went right ove...That is very observant, Buckley. It went right over my head. Could you please tell me why you are pointing out "they"? There were three family vehicles at the campsite - Deorr Sr's truck, ggp's Suburban, and ggp's camper. Susnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-1093142234353221552015-08-21T00:14:38.001-04:002015-08-21T00:14:38.001-04:00IR is lying, but it's someone else's lie.
...IR is lying, but it's someone else's lie.<br /><br />This is what's surprising about the car search, if we can get beyond when it was:<br /><br /><i>I: The family says their vehicles and cars were searched which sounds like in any case, that would be standard procedure..<br />S: Ya know, even tho we searched them that night, ya know, <b>ya always second guessed it, did we miss something, could he have been in another compartment? Did we not search everything,</b> yeah so, everything’s been searched at least a couple times, if not, not more.</i><br /><br />First, notice he says "them" for cars.<br /><br />But the main thing- A month after Deorr went missing, the sheriff went outside the specific question asked, told us he still has doubts, that Deorr might have been in a *compartment * in the car (/truck), he can't be certain. If that doesn't tell us he suspects Deorr's body was hidden and removed...<br /><br />And..."<b>another </b> compartment"???Buckleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04087082956705159705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-25843296370777748862015-08-20T23:04:20.980-04:002015-08-20T23:04:20.980-04:00Yes, it weakens it. I wote about it on the loooong...Yes, it weakens it. I wote about it on the loooong post about Deorr. There is also the embedded, "he's not being truthful."<br /><br />Notice how the sheriff uses "I" when speaking about IR, but changes to "we" to "find a piece of evidence or locate anything". The sheriff is dealing with IR while the sheriff's staff is looking. This is probably due to IR's personality and how he relates to older men as father figures. Same reason the sheriff said he appreciates his help. <br /><br />Look at the "still" cooperating. The sheriff knows IR may clam up at any point. He also knows and mentioned before how IR's arrest and court records don't match. <br /><br />IR is lying, the sheriff knows it. He is keeping him cooperative and talking.Susnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-79066485456262411922015-08-20T21:37:59.106-04:002015-08-20T21:37:59.106-04:00Forgot to add that the word "Truthful" i...Forgot to add that the word "Truthful" is said 3 times, only preceded by "VERY" 2 times. That's alot of "Truthful" in a couple sentences, right? lyndahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00493739512074677263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-75864724421491650852015-08-20T21:35:51.355-04:002015-08-20T21:35:51.355-04:00The thing that amazes me about the 6PM sighting is...The thing that amazes me about the 6PM sighting is that no one is talking about it and it only makes sense that it was Thursday at 6PM, not Friday, but zip? That crappy reporter guy doesn't think to ask, "So hey, it was Thursday at 6 you were spotted not Friday, so why did you immediately muddy the waters in your interview saying that woman had the time wrong, and then totally avoiding the question by rambling about your "Black truck" That is just out and out deception and no one has called them out? I don't get it.'<br /><br />I did notice tho <br /><br /><br />I: What can you say about Mr. Reinwald?<br />S: Uh, at this point, he’s a still cooperating, um, um, ya know, I’m not getting any uh, any feeling that he’s not being truthful. I think he’s been very truthful,and I appreciate his help, he’s come up to the area on a, a second occasion with me, and uh, until, uh , we find a piece of evidence or locate anything that tells me otherwise, I think he’s being very truthful.<br /><br />Sheriff uses the term "VERY TRUTHFUL" 2 times in 2 sentences. Granted, the second sentence is a rambling one. <br /><br />So all of you...does the fact that he qualified truthful with "VERY" weaken the statement? And the fact that he uses the same phrase 2 times in 2 sentences make Mr. Reinwald's "truthfulness" sensitive? lyndahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00493739512074677263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-46072568530098349242015-08-20T20:18:48.832-04:002015-08-20T20:18:48.832-04:00Trustmeigetit - The thinking is that the store si...Trustmeigetit - The thinking is that the store sighting took place on the Thursday, and that they arrived in Leadore some hours earlier than grandma Clegg said (when she was trying to straighten out 'the story,, as she put it, in Facebook comments on local news 8 page, now deleted, though posted here in an earlier DeOrr thread). She said they arrived around 9.30 but DeOrr was seen at the store with little DeOrr in the truck, at six, so DeOrr Sr was in Leadore then, with the baby.Julietnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-16888336147913953202015-08-20T15:47:34.662-04:002015-08-20T15:47:34.662-04:00So if Police were at the camp site from that after...So if Police were at the camp site from that afternoon to evening..how did dad leave with the child at 6. <br /><br />They called 911 around 2:30. They would get there about 3 and then there needs to be plans made on how, where to search. <br /><br />No way this was wrapped up by 6pm where dad could just leave. <br /><br />That's why I think that sighting is a mistake. <br /><br />The search efforts for things like this go on for hours. I don't see how they searched 3 hours and then everyone just left. <br /><br />And at 6pm would still be day light. So they could still be searching. <br /><br />I just don't see dad being able to leave a scene like that. <br /><br />trustmeigetithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05707304982363758140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-73201771111167040092015-08-20T15:35:22.138-04:002015-08-20T15:35:22.138-04:00I knew it was him.
Not if only we can get past t...I knew it was him. <br /><br />Not if only we can get past this. So many other guilty parents were a POI yet years later are walking free. trustmeigetithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05707304982363758140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-90372749351578277082015-08-20T15:27:19.796-04:002015-08-20T15:27:19.796-04:008.08 anon. - late afternoon or evening is not nigh...8.08 anon. - late afternoon or evening is not night. The Sherrif said the cars were searched that night. He did not say that day, that afternoon, later afternoon, early evening or evening, he said 'that night''. I do not disbelieve him or question that he knows day, afternoon and evening from night. SAR were there mid afternoon, according to DeOrr, I doubt the police would have been very far behind them, much less have left it until nightfall. Even grandma Clegg was there before five, and she travelled two to two and half hours - I bet search and rescue and the Sherrif were able to arrive well before the grandma. I would imagine the vehicles would have been searched almost immediately. The Sherrif says they were searched that night. I don't disbelieve him, but I find that strange - I would expect the vehicles to be searched upon arrival, because that's what they do when a little child goes missing - FIRST rule out the obvious. Perhaps,he meant the vehicles were searched more thoroughly that night, just to check they hadn't missed anything, another compartment, or something. I don't know, it just seems strange he either said it that way, or it was edited in that way, so that he could be misunderstood, and the impression created that he might have meant the Thursday night, when 911 was not called until Friday afternoon. It's just odd, and could do with some clarification.Julietnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-72471896434677362292015-08-20T12:11:19.471-04:002015-08-20T12:11:19.471-04:00OT Deorr
Looking at how the sheriff sees the famil...OT Deorr<br />Looking at how the sheriff sees the family:<br /><br />"I think" leaves room for others to think differently.<br /><br />Rather than answering with "they", he chooses to emphasize them with "all". The "all" weakens the three. Someone is singled out for him.<br /><br />He then distances the three with "those."<br /><br />He weakens "cooperative" by saying "very cooperative."<br /><br />"They've given us everything we've asked for.."<br />There is something about this statement that sits with me wrong. I'm not sure what. Maybe it's that the parents should be begging the sheriff for help. Deorr is their missing child. Maybe it's because it sounds more like a criminal investigation and the family are witnesses, well poi. Maybe it's because "everything we've asked for" is just that...no above and beyond.<br /><br />"so I feel real good about the parents.."<br />SO indicates sensitivity about his next statement, which is feeling good about the parents. Not only good, but REAL good, which weakens it. And why does he feel real good about them? Because they've given them everything they've asked for...maybe he feels they haven't.<br /><br />Notice the parents have given "us", then the sheriff changes to "I". He might feel they are holding back.<br /><br />The great grandfather is added, separated in the sheriff's mind now. With much stumbling and an "also." , "and uh, the grandfather, also."<br /><br />Susnoreply@blogger.com