tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post855723227968017973..comments2024-03-18T04:20:15.987-04:00Comments on Statement Analysis ®: "He Said; She Said" Statement Analysis Test: Robert McKnight versus Amanda Vining Statement Analysis Bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13607372649929274491noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-73363302845911813562015-05-22T22:19:12.695-04:002015-05-22T22:19:12.695-04:00I think this illustrates how that a lot of what is...I think this illustrates how that a lot of what is blamed on race relations is really about other things under the surface. <br /><br />Robert appears to be constructing a narrative to serve his purposes and he sees the other human beings as props to use in his story. It will work with many because they want to believe what he has to say. They are looking for a voice to voice what they want to say. This is how politics works.Lisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-43627978974664023332015-05-22T19:14:19.006-04:002015-05-22T19:14:19.006-04:00Amanda is lying, she is a racist.
You can even ask...Amanda is lying, she is a racist.<br />You can even ask her black friend to back up her racism.<br /><br />"aware that my black skin in the eyes of some correlates with a perceived aggression"<br /><br />Much like some people are scared of dogs whether it is a friendly dog or not. What I want to know, are blacks scared of blacks the same way people are scared of dogs, or is it only nonblacks who have that fear of blacks?Mean dognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-13914913414282795022015-05-21T17:09:46.461-04:002015-05-21T17:09:46.461-04:00I think Amanda's account appropriately has mor...I think Amanda's account appropriately has more qualifiers, due to the fact that she is addressing his allegations, and explaining the reasons behind her actions. <br /><br />For instance, the addition of being in her pajamas, ready for bed as relevant, because it reveals her vulnerability, and her state of mind upon his arrival. She was 'undressed', ready for bed. She was not expecting company, or ANYONE to begin the process of moving in after dark. <br /><br />I imagine myself in her position, and I think it is rather strange for a man to arrive after dark, claiming to be there to move things into an all female housing unit, without the tenant he claims to be helping in tow. I would have been concerned too, particularly when he presented a key, which conveyed to her in a not so subtle way that he was coming in...like it or not.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02680510856590830567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-38176805442300579682015-05-21T16:17:19.849-04:002015-05-21T16:17:19.849-04:00Sus -
I felt that her remark "with no one el...Sus - <br />I felt that her remark "with no one else present" was to indicate that she was somewhat suspicious of his claims he was moving someone in, when the person he was supposedly moving wasn't present when he knocked. Honestly, I think the new ROOMMATE should have gone up first, with the keys and paperwork, and introduced herself and told them she had a man helping her move. This way, if someone wanted to put on something besides PJs or if there was someone in the shower, they would be forewarned that a man was coming in.LisaBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-43118143319533733122015-05-21T15:00:18.057-04:002015-05-21T15:00:18.057-04:00Robert McKnight
I agree that he doesn't give m...Robert McKnight<br />I agree that he doesn't give many details of the encounter, but you have to look at the context, or purpose, of his writing. He wrote this piece to show how he not only has to think of his actions, but how others will perceive his actions because of skin color. If he were writing a police account I'm sure he would add more detail. What he does state is reliable. As for introducing himself before the new tenant, notice he is moving in a South African Fellow...a student from a foreign country. <br /><br />On the other hand, Amanda Vine's account is full of qualifiers and attempts to persuade. Actually, I find that Amanda's story backs up Robert's account when you look at her words closely.<br /><br />Amanda begins by telling us she "returned home" twice. She was in her pajamas "so she could go to bed early" Going to bed early is sensitive to her. Maybe she was tired. Maybe she's been gone a lot. <br /><br />Then there is a knock on the door. Not just a knock, but a FORCEFUL knock. A VERY FORCEFUL KNOCK. Yet, in her pajamas, "I opened the door." I do not believe the knock was unduly forceful. <br /><br />Now she paints the man at the door as menacing..."trench coat", "demanded", "no lease or room assignment sheet", "forcefully". Yet..The menacing man says, "Good! I'm moving in my intern." He spun around and STARTED WALKING AWAY. These are Amanda's own words. He walked away from her (or started to) after getting the correct apartment and room. Amanda, who is supposedly scared, stops him to ask who the intern is!<br /><br />She also says,"I never mentioned his race." Unreliable denial. <br /><br />Another point that Ananda keeps making is that she didn't know who he was. "...the toilet in HIS INTERN's bathroom..." ...Amanda "I went outside to tell him (policeman) that I didn't know what was going on or who was in my apartment." From her language, yes she did. <br /><br />Of all Amanda's statements, I wonder about this one. "...because (sensitive) an unidentified man (keys, lease, knew apt c was empty, identified self as helping to move in fellow.) approached (inflammatory language, insinuates he came near her unwanted. He knocked.) our (shared blame) all-female apartment (also inflammatory, insinuates he was only there because it was females.) after dark (she already said she had just gotten home 20 minutes earlier. Obviously the time is usual for legislative workers.) with a set of keys to our apartment in hand, (shared blame again. "In hand" is extra and could be seen as saying she doesn't like them in his hands.) with no one else present ( this is interesting. Wonder why she feels the need to tell us no one else was present.) and addressed us ( who is "us" since no one else was present? Kinda puts an interesting spin on the sensitivity of her "going to bed early" statement.) with belligerence and aggression. ( well, there it is. Robert McKnight asked about a room in her apartment. She had no problem opening the door. But when she saw the man standing there she saw belligerence and aggression and had no idea what he wanted. Isn't that what he said in his op-Ed piece?)Susnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-91658025956729595842015-05-20T23:04:09.649-04:002015-05-20T23:04:09.649-04:00Amanda's account is the more honest one.
For ...Amanda's account is the more honest one.<br /><br />For starters, she makes it clear that she was NOT the one who called the police. Robert McKnight seems determined to convince the reader that she called the police because she is white, but Amanda clearly states with backing from her (black) roommate that it was in fact her roommate who called the police. This fact alone deconstructs Robert's entire argument. <br /><br />Moreover, Amanda can write worth a damn. Robert's article is whiny and confusing. Amanda is clear, concise and thoroughly written. <br /><br />Robert McKnight picked the wrong girl to miss with in my opinion. He probably didn't think that the person he chose to vilify would turn out to be smart and articulate. He dug his own grave with this one. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-40882335039694304802015-05-20T22:25:07.718-04:002015-05-20T22:25:07.718-04:00I believe that her story is more reliable. However...I believe that her story is more reliable. However, I find it interesting that she refers to him as "McKnight" up until the point that she says it has nothing to do with his race, then he's "Robert." Also, she refers to him as Robert when asking her hypothetical questions. Did she do this on purpose to soften her attitude toward him? I would think it's an indicator that they get along now, but she reverted back to "McKnight," so I don't think that's the case. Annonymous17noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-49914127738066002962015-05-20T20:38:12.317-04:002015-05-20T20:38:12.317-04:00Im not sure though of Amanda's statement:
&qu...Im not sure though of Amanda's statement:<br /><br />"I never mentioned his race."<br /><br />and, in reference to her friend:<br /><br />"She did not know the man at our apartment was African-American at the time of her call to police."<br /><br />Im not sure of the difference between her other sentences of "didn't" and this "did not" or if that is relevant at all.jen-dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-67990834487120314342015-05-20T20:21:07.503-04:002015-05-20T20:21:07.503-04:00Amanda Vining
There is missing info in McKnight&#...Amanda Vining<br /><br />There is missing info in McKnight's statement.<br /><br />"When I arrived, I knocked on the door and a blue-eyed, blonde woman appeared."<br /><br />"appeared"? as in an apparition?<br /><br />He also didnt mention any luggage when he arrived at Vining's door or that he was with the intern yet these suddenly appeared when he entered the room.<br /><br />When he was asked by police 'where is he coming from' he replied "In a room sir" --- <br />Isnt that place full of rooms? Why not specify which room, unless the police already know which room was he in.<br /><br />I think he also gave himself away when he said, "before I could overreact," a-ha! was that what he was doing all along? why the need to overreact?<br /><br />“A room, sir,”jen-dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-46273154101387486022015-05-20T19:34:13.413-04:002015-05-20T19:34:13.413-04:00anybody heard anything on the Elvis case? I wonder...anybody heard anything on the Elvis case? I wonder if they are still going to trial.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-77334475904861998732015-05-20T18:11:13.811-04:002015-05-20T18:11:13.811-04:00Back ONNTHE Natalie Holloway case and the new &quo...Back ONNTHE Natalie Holloway case and the new "witness"<br /><br />Recently the Prosecutor's Office received the requested information from the management of the Marriott based in Orlando.<br /><br />"From this information, it becomes indisputably clear that on the 30th of May 2005, no construction or building activities were started at the location that Mr. De Jong has specifically pointed out as the spot where Natalee Holloway would have been hidden and/or buried,''<br /><br />according to Angela's press release.<br /><br />"More concretely: the foundation of the Spyglass Tower (that still had to be built at the time) and of the staircase of the Spyglass Tower was not in place. This means that Natalee Holloway could never have been hidden and/or buried there."<br /><br />"This leads to the conclusion that the claims made by Mr. De Jong of what he saw on the night of 30th of May 2005, cannot be correct, and that his testimony, considering the afore-mentioned, does not add to the solving of this case. Further investigation (in any manner whatsoever) under the staircase of the Spyglass Tower will not lead to finding the body of Natalee Holloway"<br /><br /><br />Peter..thoughts on that statement?<br /><br />It would not be the first time a prosecutor lied..<br /><br /> trustmeigetithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05707304982363758140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-1348121658695029012015-05-20T16:07:48.871-04:002015-05-20T16:07:48.871-04:00I find embellishments for both writers.
A part th...I find embellishments for both writers.<br /><br />A part that intrigues me from Robert.. "The mistake was that the cops were called on me for no other reason than my being a black male, knocking on a door at 8:30 at night, trying to help a colleague move her bags up three flights of stairs. "<br /><br />He states the cops were called "on him". that phrase seems to assert ownership of some sort of behavior.<br /><br />As for the woman, she uses a lot of extra wording to convince us of his behavior.<br /><br />very forceful knock on the door he said, just as forcefully, I was pretty scared by this abrupt encounter, etc.Rachael2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-13570086053491080942015-05-20T16:05:08.997-04:002015-05-20T16:05:08.997-04:00I find Amanda's account to be more reliable, b...I find Amanda's account to be more reliable, both in form, and in content. <br /><br />Amanda's account contains far more details about the actual encounter, than McKnight's does. She provides extensive quotes, stays in chronological order with strong pronoun commitment, and her verb tenses are appropriate throughout. Her account on the whole seems to report what happened, and address his allegations. She provides a few extraneous details such as having changed into her pajamas, and being ready for bed, etc., which provide context of the situation in question. <br /><br />McKnight's account is heavily editorial, and he relies heavily on past experiences to justify his perception of the encounter. (His long struggle, or "heavy lifting" to prevent being profiled, or perceived as aggressive due to the color of his skin, as well as the "talk" his mother gave him about interacting with police officers, etc.) <br /><br />He very briefly reports their encounter, despite identifying her as "the impetus for a life changing event." He shows sensitivity about knocking on the door, as he repeats lines about being "a black man knocking on a door" twice. This seems to line up with her assertion that the loud knocking was the crux of the issue between them. <br /><br />While short, his account also goes out of chronological order in a strange way. When he describes his encounter with the officers, he actually breaks chronological order to report the eventual addition of more officers, between his quoting of a direct question, and his answer to it. It reads strangely, and seems to be an attempt to garner sympathy, rather than report the details of the encounter. This stood out to me in contrast to Amanda's account<br /><br />Finally McKnight's ends by stating: <br /><br />"I have a newly ignited fire now, to fight for criminal justice reform, to fight for social equality and to fight for a fair, transparent and reliable judicial system."<br /><br />He identifies Amanda as the "impetus" for this event, but his named goals going foward are focused on the judicial system. According to him, SHE was the problem, not the judicial system. How do his named goals of reforming the judicial system (repeated twice) serve to prevent the supposedly racially based perception of him as a threat by a civilian white woman?<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02680510856590830567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-65672038218165316952015-05-20T15:22:48.711-04:002015-05-20T15:22:48.711-04:00'I sheepishly replied' sticks out like a s...'I sheepishly replied' sticks out like a sore thumb, and reeks of storytelling.Rachaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16753164610612098245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-78345352429129253222015-05-20T15:17:14.266-04:002015-05-20T15:17:14.266-04:00He sounds narcissistic for sure.
VickiHe sounds narcissistic for sure.<br /><br />VickiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-23320389454932634712015-05-20T15:12:15.432-04:002015-05-20T15:12:15.432-04:00Amanda is more likely to be telling the truth for ...Amanda is more likely to be telling the truth for all the reasons stated above.<br />I suspect each of them remembers the dialogue differently because neither anticipated being quizzed on what was said later.<br />I don't know if the intern was with him. I don't think he mentions her except to say she was "settled in" before he left the apartment. He never really introduced her to US, much less the existing tenant. “I’m helping someone move in,” was all he said, while waggling the keys in her face. NOWHERE in his statement does he indicate that he was polite enough to have introduced himself to the young woman who came to the door when he knocked, or that he mentioned the name, race or gender of the intern to her. <br />He never seems to consider the possibility that it was his gender, the fact that he was a stranger with keys to the apartment, and that all of this occurred after dark, a time few people would choose to move into a new place (the tenants of which had apparently not been advised that a new room-mate was coming at all), as factors resulting in someone contacting the police. <br />I believe Amanda MAY have considered his race IN ADDITION TO his gender and demeanor when he showed up. If I am mistaken and he had legitimate cause to believe he was being "racially profiled", his "belligerent attitude" on a subsequent visit to the apartment may have been justifiable. If not, it seems he has shown a pattern of this sort of behavior, and may even have been baiting the girls into feeling threatened on his initial visit. <br />He seems to be trying too hard to convince us that he was "sheepish" in dealing with police, was reminded of "the 'talk'" his mother gave him while dealing with them, and that he had anticipated a problem (based on his statement that he felt a need "to mitigate any mishaps") in spite of his claim that he had never encountered racism before this occasion.LisaBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12264760612025755448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-40958559108617553482015-05-20T14:34:47.831-04:002015-05-20T14:34:47.831-04:00he spends 14 lines setting the scene, 4 lines on t...he spends 14 lines setting the scene, 4 lines on the actual event and 16 on the post event.<br />He is violating the principal of reliability based on form.<br /><br />She does 8 lines pre event, <br />36 lines on the actual event and 20 post event.<br /><br />I notice in his version no mention is made of the intern being with him, being properly introduced or anything. I found myself asking where the heck did the intern come from ?<br /><br />His version smacked of story telling.<br />Why did he foresee mishaps?<br />Much is made of his gender and skin color and his build as he uses words such intimidating, menacing, heavy lifting.<br />it is also interesting he describes the other woman as blonde and blue eyed, making race sensitive.<br /><br />With her statement , she goes into detail as to what happened and what was said.<br />She notes she didn't see the intern with him.<br /><br />I would like to have had a statement from the intern who was supposedly with him<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Tania Cadoganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06511272355142175684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-76303368744657357932015-05-20T14:31:46.020-04:002015-05-20T14:31:46.020-04:00What's next, sex profiling? That's what r...What's next, sex profiling? That's what really occured, strange males shows up unannounced to an all female appartment at an unusual time gaining access to it....<br /><br />She is super sensitive to his race, and i believe she "racial profiled" him. I think she told her roommate there was a black man there who was acting in the sterotypical way, so they freaked. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-51597680498612154602015-05-20T12:20:44.978-04:002015-05-20T12:20:44.978-04:00Niether. While Amanda gives what I consider to be...Niether. While Amanda gives what I consider to be a mostly reliable version of events, she does not give a reliable denial which should consist of her stating: I did not racially profile "McKnight" as she lovingly refers to him.<br /><br />Robert's statements are also misleading because it takes him 2 paragraphs before he addresses how he was "racially profiled." Too much extra info, we don't need to hear about his packed suitcase or where he parked his car, or even the fact that he parked his car. All unnecessary info. Being African-American is sensitive to him and his first paragraph starts the first of many times he references being African American and how his mother taught him at a young age how to deal with police because of it.<br /><br />It's interesting Roberts views the police as "accosting" him, but he views his approach to Amanda as polite and informative. Amanda's version of events shows Robert accosting her.GetThemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08199998926590078915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-81479720095855944282015-05-20T09:41:11.303-04:002015-05-20T09:41:11.303-04:00I think he is anticipating a response from Amanda ...I think he is anticipating a response from Amanda regarding his aggressiveness with this statement:<br /><br /> It’s loaded because of the daily heavy lifting required of me so as not to be seen as “intimidating.” This heavy lifting requires me to be aware that my black skin in the eyes of some correlates with a perceived aggression.<br /><br />He is trying to defuse what he expects she will say.<br /><br />I wonder how aggressive he is without all of that 'heavy lifting'?Rachaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16753164610612098245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-81992846382194420742015-05-20T09:25:27.000-04:002015-05-20T09:25:27.000-04:00Amanda.
Robert devotes a whole FOUR sentences to ...Amanda.<br /><br />Robert devotes a whole FOUR sentences to the actual encounter. One of which includes an unintroduced intern settling in safely (why wouldn't she settle in safely? And WHEN did that happen?). He brushes over the incident in question far too quickly.<br /><br />Why is a man who has not yet experienced racial profiling taking steps to 'mitigate any mishaps' prior to even knocking on the door?<br /><br />His attempts to convince us of naivety is out of balance with the detail of the actual precipitating event.<br /><br />Whereas Amanda gets right to the meat of the matter. The bulk of her statement is directly related to her perception of the incident. She tries to convince the reader of nothing personal about herself, her character, her shortcomings as a person. <br /><br />I wonder if Robert, moving from New Orleans to Texas, was fearful of a different racial environment, if he envisioned worst case scenarios in his mind over that 7 hour drive.<br /><br />I think he is naive, just not in the way he wants us to think.Rachaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16753164610612098245noreply@blogger.com