tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post9147306733804173971..comments2024-03-18T04:20:15.987-04:00Comments on Statement Analysis ®: The Value of Training In Statement Analysis Statement Analysis Bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13607372649929274491noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-6815443399006085572013-11-22T11:45:51.926-05:002013-11-22T11:45:51.926-05:00Hi Anon,
Anon said.
Speaking of shades of truth ...Hi Anon,<br /><br />Anon said.<br /><br />Speaking of shades of truth and shades of lies:<br /><br />Where is everyone now that authoritieso in the Meredith Kershner murder case have announced that only Amanda Knoxs' DNA blood was found on the butcher knife from the kitchen they had claimed she killed Meredeith with, and therefore couldn't have been the one who killed Meredith? ummmm...?<br /><br />I think you will find that no-one said that she murdered her, only that she was present at the time of said incident..John Mc Gowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430624388902099338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-64187232442067314652013-11-22T09:59:10.687-05:002013-11-22T09:59:10.687-05:00Hi C5H11ONO,
Thats what good liars do, they tell ...Hi C5H11ONO,<br /><br />Thats what good liars do, they tell the truth and skirt round the lie. Peter has posted a few articles on this subject. Every word spoken was the truth.<br /><br />A man said he heard a gun go off then seen his wife on the floor with a bullet hole in her, or something on the lines of that. That is the truth, however, what he failed to add, and left out, was that it was him that fired the shot. This is were i believe SA is invaluable.John Mc Gowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430624388902099338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-89917616460313091962013-11-22T09:20:09.070-05:002013-11-22T09:20:09.070-05:00John, regarding your O/T of sorts...
Interesting ...John, regarding your O/T of sorts...<br /><br />Interesting article, and I noticed one of the posters that posted anonymously had this to say:<br />number 3-"You told me you loved me."..I never told you I was IN love with you." <br />I really don't know what the difference is and I didn't know that I needed to ask for what type of love he was in with me.<br /><br />This liar told the truth, she just failed to go into his internal subjective dictionary to figure out that to him there is a difference between loving and being in love with someone. Interesting how clever they are and how a regular person wouldn't have picked up on the lie. I wouldn't have just like the anon, but there was a big different to the liar.C5H11ONOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01081979197453633522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-68361677800147057612013-11-22T00:41:39.164-05:002013-11-22T00:41:39.164-05:00OT Of Sorts.
I found this an interesting read, i ...OT Of Sorts.<br /><br />I found this an interesting read, i think #3 is more relevant to SA.<br /><br />Top 10 secrets of effective liars:<br /><br />http://www.sociopathworld.com/2010/05/top-10-secrets-of-effective-liars.html?spref=fb<br /><br /><br /><br />John Mc Gowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430624388902099338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-64025545272058605912013-11-21T23:31:23.648-05:002013-11-21T23:31:23.648-05:00I say 92% :)I say 92% :)Lemonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15905461861488930140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-64511558110947784792013-11-21T22:17:17.548-05:002013-11-21T22:17:17.548-05:00I'm looking forward to the upcoming post.
OT:...I'm looking forward to the upcoming post.<br /><br />OT: Time for sleep. I stayed up late last night watching the history of mufflers and I've been feeling exhausted all day ;)<br /><br />{hugs} for all.. nigh, nightMainahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-57384296199765070732013-11-21T22:12:59.241-05:002013-11-21T22:12:59.241-05:00Peter said a whole page to a page and a half of st...Peter said a whole page to a page and a half of statement from the subject and basic training! I'm just a SA hobbyist, housewife and I think I could manage to find enough in a full page statement to know for certain. <br /><br />At the end of one of the SCAN courses I think 99% of the students trained, if not all, can discern from a full page to page and a half if the subject is being "deceptive" or "this crime really happened". It's gotta be a high number.Mainahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-59489765938046719242013-11-21T21:05:23.174-05:002013-11-21T21:05:23.174-05:0084%84%Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13663681698193445308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-62217917653622473712013-11-21T19:34:56.981-05:002013-11-21T19:34:56.981-05:00given a crime and a statement, the average untrain...given a crime and a statement, the average untrained person has a 50/50 chance of concluding "deception" or "this really happened..."<br /><br />given truth or deceit (assuming the statement is deceptive about a crime) the average person has a 50/50 chance of accepting their God given ability at truth discernment, and even fewer take action…So sad Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-75894294240808868112013-11-21T19:29:50.548-05:002013-11-21T19:29:50.548-05:0077%77%andrizehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07324945004460369126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-60682452336272570122013-11-21T18:32:24.450-05:002013-11-21T18:32:24.450-05:00I say 84%I say 84%Fig Rollnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-5477725242382837142013-11-21T17:00:46.994-05:002013-11-21T17:00:46.994-05:00I think that there are other variables that have t...I think that there are other variables that have to be taken into account. <br />1.How long have the people who've been trained been using their training? <br />2. How much of this is a talent? Even though training is necessary and learning is objective there are probably some people who are going to be naturally better and others who have a harder time applying the concepts they're learning.<br />3. Who trained them? How good was the teacher at explaining the concepts and making sure that the students had understood them before declaring them "trained Statement Analysis" professionals? Some teachers are much better than others and insist upon some kind of proof that the student got it rather than just finishing the course material. <br /><br />So, given those variables that we don't have any input on, I'll wager a guess of 30% accuracy in detecting deception or truthfulness. TrishapatKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-38328881945058634802013-11-21T15:36:20.766-05:002013-11-21T15:36:20.766-05:00Update on Mainahs OT..
This is why quotes from th...Update on Mainahs OT..<br /><br />This is why quotes from the alleged victims are important.<br /><br />In the article above it states that " They then started to STOCKPILE items".<br /><br />http://bangordailynews.com/2013/11/20/news/woman-who-reported-jay-home-invasion-stops-cooperating-with-investigators/?ref=regionstate<br /><br />..............................<br /><br />In this article it states.<br /><br />Snipped:<br /><br />"They started COLLECTING things to steal".<br /><br />More from the article.<br /><br />Snipped:<br /><br />They escaped with a broken shotgun but not much else. The truck was engulfed in flames, according to the Jay Fire Department.<br /><br />Police said it appeared the men were familiar with the house. All three were wearing gloves.<br /><br />http://bangordailynews.com/2013/11/17/news/mid-maine/jay-police-seek-trio-in-home-invasion-setting-fire-to-truck/?ref=relatedBoxJohn Mc Gowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430624388902099338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-22097719943388316422013-11-21T15:35:58.690-05:002013-11-21T15:35:58.690-05:00Hi Hobs. I enjoy reading your thoughts and analysi...Hi Hobs. I enjoy reading your thoughts and analysis of the McCanns, they are very insightful, and I agree with you 100% I think the reason that the masses largely don't see it is because it is easier to accept a lie than to recognise a terrible truth. No-one wants to believe that parents, in the McCann case also GP's could be involved in the death of their own child. People can blindly accept information and direction fed to them by a perceived person of authority such as a doctor. If only Milgram and Zimbardo were mandatory reading in schools! As for Philpott ... That man is a whole different kind of creature, and you're right, that policeman had the measure of him.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13706751204802087095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-78882931802021496262013-11-21T15:31:32.281-05:002013-11-21T15:31:32.281-05:00I am gonna guess at about 75%. That being because ...I am gonna guess at about 75%. That being because it was just basic training. I think it requires much more that that to fully catch some of the less obvious lies.Shelleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-3386926157093183552013-11-21T12:15:50.838-05:002013-11-21T12:15:50.838-05:00OT: 3 masked men
John, There haven't been any...OT: 3 masked men<br /><br />John, There haven't been any quotes from the "victim" that I know of. I sure wish there were. I think she will eventually be charged for filing a hoax report.Mainahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-55453320368213432392013-11-21T12:11:26.107-05:002013-11-21T12:11:26.107-05:00I was taught in a train the trainer class, (teachi...<br />I was taught in a train the trainer class, (teaching adults financial fitness for home ownership), to always try to give 3 examples or alternate phrases that mean the same thing. An example would be to say the "closing documents", "paperwork" and "contracts" include the mortgage and security, promissory note, etc. are agreements you sign with the bank disclosing the terms ....then I'd go on to give 3 alternate names for the Promissory Note, Promise to Pay aka as the Note...<br /><br />The reason given was that not all class participants would have the same level of knowledge and understanding coming into the class. Some would know a significant amount about the home buying process and some would have virtually no experience or understanding of it.<br /><br />I do this second nature now. I catch myself frequently giving 3 words or phrases to explain my meaning.Mainahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-19724814446346067252013-11-21T11:47:59.468-05:002013-11-21T11:47:59.468-05:00Hi Mainah, that's why asked was there any dire... Hi Mainah, that's why asked was there any direct quotes. Iv'e searched and searched and can't find any. As you rightly pointed out, was the word "Stockpile" used by the officer who interviewed her ?John Mc Gowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430624388902099338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-66448926858531357932013-11-21T11:46:39.985-05:002013-11-21T11:46:39.985-05:00Hi Stephen, i saw the stewart hazell intervies and...Hi Stephen, i saw the stewart hazell intervies and his statements in the media and all my redflags went off along with alarms and flares. I had the same thing with the philpotts , especially mick at his presser, it was so obvious. I did notice the cop at the desk watching him closely and not buying his story or fake tears.<br /> Once you get your eyes and ears focussed it becomes second nature. I find myself listening to people talking as i wander round, catching dropped pronouns,, distancing language and all sorts. The mccanns drive me nuts especially gerry's accent and his smug face ( i so want to slap him with a wet haddock) It is so obvious they are lying and are involved, i want them arrested yesterday, how come so many are buying their fairy tale? <br />Tania Cadoganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06511272355142175684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-92008658515533625442013-11-21T11:38:39.599-05:002013-11-21T11:38:39.599-05:00Also on the number three. When I worked in sales m...Also on the number three. When I worked in sales many years ago, we were taught that three is a psychologically powerful number. Decorators put ornaments, pictures and candlesticks etc in threes. We grew up with rhymes and stories such as the three blind mice, three musketeers, three wise kings, the black sheep had three bags of wool etc etc. <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13706751204802087095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-78951338750641064522013-11-21T11:32:59.688-05:002013-11-21T11:32:59.688-05:00I don't want to post my answer in case the stu...I don't want to post my answer in case the study you are using is the same one I sent. <br /><br />However I will say this - since reading Mark McClish's books and spending a lot of time reading the excellent articles and (mostly) intelligent comments on this blog; my ability to spot deception in statements has gone up massively. I identified that Stuart Hazell was being deceptive when giving an interview to a UK TV station about the disappearance of Tia Sharp. He has since been found guilty and sentenced for her murder. This was the first time that I specifically set out to use the techniques to analyse a statement.<br /><br />I for one am a SCAN convert.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13706751204802087095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-25899875500774818032013-11-21T11:26:43.246-05:002013-11-21T11:26:43.246-05:00OT: 3 Masked men
On "stockpile", I firs...OT: 3 Masked men<br /><br />On "stockpile", I first think of weapons, my second thought is food storing. The words used were that of the officer. "Directed" and "stockpile" are expected coming from an LEO's internal dictionary.<br /><br />Another (OT) observation regarding the number 3: It may be instilled at a very young age. My grandson and I make books and write stories together. We take a few blank pieces of paper, fold them in half; he writes the stories and usually has me draw the pictures. <br /><br />Several months ago, he was seven at the time, he begins a spooky adventure story with 3 friends. Then goes on to incorporate 3 spiders, 3 rooms, and he asked me to draw a picture on the cover, of a hand with an eyeball on it and the number 3. I had to hide my chuckling. I asked him why the number 3? He said, it was just the number that his mind came up with.<br /><br />Go figure, lol.Mainahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-73862650577439629482013-11-21T10:51:32.702-05:002013-11-21T10:51:32.702-05:00I remember you posted a statement a year or so ago...I remember you posted a statement a year or so ago and let us analyze it. I failed miserably. I believe had I no "training" I would have agreed with the analysis. After I (mis) applied the principals I thought I learned, I was 100% wrong. <br /><br />I didn't agree with the excuse that she was above reproach/deception wasn't indicated because of what she did for a living/was stressed because of her occupation. I felt she was given a "pass" because of the demands of her job. Nichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09150573665283919209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-2516439357967261232013-11-21T10:22:34.166-05:002013-11-21T10:22:34.166-05:00OT.
Judge allows Colorado soldier's defense o...OT.<br /><br />Judge allows Colorado soldier's defense of citing twin as potential suspect.<br /><br />Could this be a case were Statement Analysis would come into its own?. Although there arnt any statements to analyze here, i would be very interested to see if the language used by both men are similar in any way given they are twins.<br /><br />Snipped:<br /><br />So-called "evil twin" defenses have been used before in courtrooms, experts say. Defendants with an identical twin have sometimes accused the sibling as the real culprit to try to create reasonable doubt and seek acquittal, but the finger-pointing isn't a sure-fire strategy, said CNN legal analyst Danny Cevallos, who's also a criminal defense attorney.<br />"No two of us have the same set of DNA -- with one exception and that is identical twins," Cevallos said.<br />"Cases like this are interesting," he added. "Each twin essentially has to come up with an alibi, and we're seeing that in this case and seeing it in other cases. It comes down to whose alibi is a little bit better. You can imagine the complexity if both twins are in the same geographic area at the same time of the crime."<br /><br /> http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/20/justice/colorado-soldier-evil-twin-defense/index.html?sr=fb112113twinevil10aJohn Mc Gowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430624388902099338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-496259160295049792013-11-21T10:21:17.670-05:002013-11-21T10:21:17.670-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.John Mc Gowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430624388902099338noreply@blogger.com