tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post9177882666123059117..comments2024-03-18T04:20:15.987-04:00Comments on Statement Analysis ®: Making a Murderer: "Lock and Load!"Statement Analysis Bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13607372649929274491noreply@blogger.comBlogger151125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-81762014988223101152016-01-22T02:31:59.097-05:002016-01-22T02:31:59.097-05:00Okay, I went back and typed out VERBATIM what was ...Okay, I went back and typed out VERBATIM what was said by Fassbender on the stand IN THE DOCUMENTARY.<br /><br />Bear in mind, this is likely not the whole truth from court documents. This is the snippet presented by the biased filmmakers but here it is, verbatim, AS-PRESENTED in "Making A Murderer."<br /><br />Prosecutor: "Was Steven Avery the only person being investigated?"<br /><br />Fassbander: "No."<br /><br />P: "Explain that."<br /><br />F: "We-we go into an investigations and uh...you're not, you're not gonna lock and load. Y-You're gonna listen to all the intelligence being bought in, look at all the evidence, um...you're there to--to find the truth. That's what we go there for, is to find the truth. And the object is to allow the evidence and the facts that are uncovered as you go along to lead you to the most logical suspect."<br /><br />P: "I think you mentioned before; the last person to see her alive...obvious place to start. Isn't that right?"<br /><br />F: "Most certainly."<br /><br /><br />Defense: "You said that you--Mister Avery was NOT the only person being investigated but that you felt he was the most obvious place to start."<br /><br />F: "If I have to pick a place to start, the last person to see that person alive is the most logical place to start."<br /><br />D: "Alright. Often the most obvious suspect in a homocide is the spouse...you look at the spouse, right?"<br /><br />F: "Yes. People we love the most."<br /><br />D: "Or, you look at a boyfriend or an ex boyfriend, right?"<br /><br />F: "Yes."<br /><br />D: How 'bout a roommate who doesn't report the victim missing for three...almost four days?"<br /><br />F: "Yes."<br /><br />D: "Is that somebody you'd wanna investigate?"<br /><br />F: "That's a possible area to look at."<br /><br />D: "That'd be somebody you wanna ask for an alibi?"<br /><br /><br /><br />Mr Hyatt, I have immense respect for you and though my assessment that Fassbender's statement unreliability hasn't changed, I think the verbatim context is important here.<br /><br />Please correct me if the info you have provided here is from more reliable sources like court records and I will gladly concede this point.<br /><br />Humbly,<br /><br />-JennJennCavnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-75763169956123456632016-01-21T20:06:45.058-05:002016-01-21T20:06:45.058-05:00Mr. Fassbender doesn't directly answer the que...Mr. Fassbender doesn't directly answer the question and uses distancing language. "You don't" is a hot spot. "lock and load" is also suspect because he does not address what was actually asked: whether or not he focused on only one suspect. <br /><br />You taught us that a denial includes three parts: "1.I 2. didn't or did not 3. the act of which he's being accused."<br /><br />Based on what you've taught us, Fassbender's language suggests that he's not able to truthfully directly deny focusing on only one suspect. <br /><br />Furthermore, "lock and load" is troublesome because of the reference to a deadly weapon...something capable of distributing dire consequences if used carelessly.<br /><br />The next mention changes the wording from "one suspect" to "The first suspect."<br /><br />This is an admission that Avery was the *first.* <br /><br />I believe Avery committed this crime. I also believe the filmmakers deliberately obfuscated key facts and pushed their own perspective...but pushing my bias aside and applying the skills you taught us to Fassbender's statement ask you've asked, I have to accept that Fassbender likely didn't do his due diligence as an officer when it comes to pursuing other suspects.<br /><br />That's terrible.Jenn Cavnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-87091952099669444502016-01-19T22:18:21.230-05:002016-01-19T22:18:21.230-05:00Here is a comment from episode 7, "Framing De...Here is a comment from episode 7, "Framing Defense". In context, Fassbender is being questioned about the discovery of the vehicle.<br /><br />Fassbender: When I got there on Saturday, ultimately I got down by the car crusher about 2:25 I think it was, and the officers that were staged there, I told them, or I recommended that they start a log.<br /><br />Read more at: http://transcripts.foreverdreaming.org/viewtopic.php?f=524&t=24361<br /><br />Is using the word "staged" to refer to officers protecting a scene common language in LE? It just jumped out at me.Amateur Analystnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-34114357386553572702016-01-17T15:49:13.598-05:002016-01-17T15:49:13.598-05:00Teresa's ex-boyfriend had some really suspicio...Teresa's ex-boyfriend had some really suspicious, deep scratches on his hand at the time of Teresa's disappearance. They look exactly like scratch marks made by another person. There is a photo of them on Reddit, and they look ten times worse than the cut on SA's finger. The cut, by the way, that supposedly left the blood in the RAV4, but at the same time, no fingerprints, because the prosecution also said he was wearing gloves. Okaaayyy.<br /><br />The so-called "sweat DNA" on the hood latch that Nancy Grace keeps talking about is just DNA - there's no way to tell if it's from sweat. It could be from a toothbrush for all we know. There are also no fingerprints around the hood latch - how is that possible?<br /><br />Brendan Dassey has an IQ of 69. He did not understand what "inconsistent" meant, nor did his mother. He did not understand what "on purpose" meant. His lawyer allowed him to be questioned alone, without himself or Brendan's mother present. The entire process was disgusting. The part of his prison phone call to his mom where he said "they got in my head" about the police was not shown in court - but the rest was. <br /><br />Brendan reminds me so much of Jessie Miskelley of the West Memphis 3 - another miscarriage of justice where a not-very-bright kid was lead into a false confession by a cop with an agenda.<br /><br />Ken Kratz has been diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder. He has been diagnosed as a sex addict. His character is far from upstanding and he has crossed ethical boundaries with his sexting scandal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-36682802183074421182016-01-12T23:49:54.965-05:002016-01-12T23:49:54.965-05:00Theresa Halbach's brothers statements in the b...Theresa Halbach's brothers statements in the beginning of the documentary, when they are starting the search, bother me.<br />Why does he talk about the grieving process taking days, months, etc. when he doesn't even know if she is dead or not?<br />She's only missing?<br /><br />If one of my family members went missing - and we couldn't find their vehicle- my first thought In the days that follow would be that possibly they might have had an accident, and were down an embankment possibly hurt, waiting for help. <br /><br />I wouldn't automatically assume she is dead.<br />Or that I need to start grieving.<br /><br />I guess that bothered me, and then finding out the voicemails were erased and he just "guessed" at her password is odd, too.<br /><br />I'm not saying he killed her - I'm just saying his statements bother me. Idk why.<br /><br />*Anyone can say "what about the cell phone" to call for help- but if you have ever been in a car accident with a cell phone out- you will know there is about a 95% chance if it is laying on the seat, that cell phone is going for a ride too. You won't be able to find it.<br />(At least at the time, I couldn't find mine and ha to flag someone over for help and to call)<br />JMTOnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-72693200525552953032016-01-08T14:16:09.043-05:002016-01-08T14:16:09.043-05:00Lock and load...........when you have your target ...Lock and load...........when you have your target then you lock and load. My son hunts deer and this is always his saying when he is out hunting.patricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12400311167295110561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-74937530548205185142016-01-07T15:51:46.483-05:002016-01-07T15:51:46.483-05:00Well, if he said his confession was the truth, the...Well, if he said his confession was the truth, then this might be the "real" truth. ?<br /><br />JenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-13656541222341523852016-01-07T15:26:25.593-05:002016-01-07T15:26:25.593-05:00Jen, I suspect that was written by someone else an...Jen, I suspect that was written by someone else and then Dassey signed it. The handwriting looks nothing like the images of Dassey's handwritten statements from the documentary. I remember noticing how juvenile and sloppy his writing was, and while it may have improved, that image is drastically different. <br /><br />The phrase "real truth" stuck out to me. I don't know what more to say, though, since I don't think this was written entirely or possibly at all by Brendan.mom2manynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-13176858226532323132016-01-07T14:50:54.167-05:002016-01-07T14:50:54.167-05:00I found this letter from Brendan: https://www.face...I found this letter from Brendan: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=772982772738829&set=pb.100000813409791.-2207520000.1452185386.&type=3&theater<br /><br />Wondering how much of the "innocent" language is parroting the legal system? Maybe to his mind, it doesn't matter if he didn't do it, but it matters if the court finds him innocent? <br /><br />I'm saying this because a lot of what he said seems like someone else's opinion - "lied through their teeth," "I missed so much of my life already." <br /><br />I'm wondering if we know that we know that we know that a person who didn't do a crime would never stop at saying he was innocent. <br /><br />JenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-44189099449319100462016-01-07T12:22:16.953-05:002016-01-07T12:22:16.953-05:00I'd love to see some quotes from the brothers ...I'd love to see some quotes from the brothers refuting allegations of their involvement to help me get off this dang fence!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-62549525511789394972016-01-06T22:38:23.849-05:002016-01-06T22:38:23.849-05:00cont.
Avery's defense argued that Manitowoc ...cont.<br /><br /><br />Avery's defense argued that Manitowoc officers, who were in the middle of being deposed in his lawsuit, were also involved in the gathering of evidence for the Halbach murder and may have framed him.<br /><br />Avery’s nephew Dassey, who was 16 at the time, then confessed to sexually assaulting Halbach and cutting her throat on his uncle's orders. He later said the confession was coerced.<br /><br />None of Halbach's DNA was ever discovered inside of Avery's home, where the prosecution claimed she was raped and shot in the head.<br /><br />Avery was sentenced to life in prison without parole. Dassey was also given a life sentence but has a chance for early release in 2048.<br /><br />Since the series aired, two online petitions have been launched to campaign for the two men to be given a presidential pardon.<br /><br />One of the campaigns claims that Making a Murderer shows that the justice system 'embarrassingly failed both men, completely ruining their entire lives.'<br /><br />However, several others have spoken out claiming the documentary has missed out several significant pieces of evidence from the case.<br /><br />According to those close to the case, this evidence includes the fact Avery met Halbach wearing just a towel and called her three times on the day she disappeared.<br /><br />And according to Ken Kratz, the ex-Calumet County District Attorney, who prosecuted Avery, the show has left out vital information. <br /><br />In an email to TheWrap.com , Mr Kratz claims that when Avery first served time in prison, he told an inmate that he was planning on building a 'torture chamber' on his release so he could rape, torture and kill young women.<br /><br />The former prosecutors also said the fellow inmate revealed that Avery told him the best way to get rid of a body was to 'burn it' because the heat destroys DNA evidence.<br /><br />Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3386863/Making-Murderer-killer-Steven-Avery-claims-BROTHERS-murdered-Teresa-Halbach-framed-family-dispute.htmlTania Cadoganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06511272355142175684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-1588361067481486722016-01-06T22:38:05.778-05:002016-01-06T22:38:05.778-05:00Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker will not pardon th...Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker will not pardon the convicted killer at the center of Netflix documentary Making a Murderer - after it emerged he once claimed that his brothers may have committed the crime he is serving time for.<br /><br />Steven Avery, 53, and his nephew Brendan Dassey were convicted in March 2007 of the murder of photographer Teresa Halbach, 25, in Manitowoc, Wisconsin, and have remained imprisoned ever since.<br /><br />Both protest their innocence and court documents show Avery believes his own brothers may have killed the woman and framed him for her murder due to a family dispute.<br /><br />But despite the 10-part series casting doubt on their convictions and online petitions demanding their release, Walker’s office ruled out any chance of a reprieve.<br /><br />Walker, a former Republic presidential candidate, is not swayed by more than 300,000 signatures on Change.org calling for Avery’s exoneration, his spokeswoman Laurel Patrick said.<br /><br />‘Those who feel they have been wrongly convicted can seek to have their convictions overturned by a higher court,’ she said.<br /><br />A Whitehouse.gov petition President Barack Obama to pardon the men has received more than 113,000 – more than the 100,000 that is need for the administration to comment on the request.<br /><br />However, the president does not have the authority to issue pardons in state cases. Only Walker – who has not issued one since his election in 2010 – has that power.<br /><br />Making A Murderer became an instant phenomenon when it began streaming on Netflix on December 18.<br /><br />The documentary questioned the handling of the case and the motivation of Manitowoc County law enforcement officials.<br /><br />It suggests authorities planted evidence against the men, a claim that has been rejected by Robert Hermann, the current sheriff of Manitowoc County.<br /><br />But it has since emerged that Avery claimed his brothers Earl and Charles may have carried out the murder, for which he is serving a life sentence without parole.<br /><br />In legal documents filed by Avery in 2009, and obtained by TMZ, he claims that both of his brothers have a history of sexual violence against women - with Earl once pleading no contest to sexually assaulting his daughters. <br /><br />Meanwhile, Charles was once charged with sexually assaulting his wife. <br /><br />The documents also allege that Charles had a history of harassment against women visiting the family auto salvage and pursued one so aggressively, she reported him to police.<br /><br />Avery then goes on to claim that his brothers had a reason to frame him as they were fighting over the family business.<br /><br />They were also jealous that he was on the verge of a multi-million dollar settlement after being wrongfully convicted of sexual assault.<br /><br />Charles spoke with TMZ and said he had nothing to do with the death of Halbach.<br /><br />He also claims that he never sexually assaulted his wife and claims he had been running the family business since 1990, and if anything wanted to have his brother join him as he was about to receive a massive settlement.<br /><br />Avery had initially served 18 years in prison until DNA evidence exonerated him of an unrelated sexual assault conviction in 1985. He was released in 2003.<br /><br />He then filed a $36 million federal civil rights lawsuit against the county, along with its former sheriff and district attorney, for the wrongful conviction.<br /><br />But less than a month after the federal lawsuit was filed, Avery was charged with first-degree intentional homicide for the murder of Halbach.<br /><br />That case was settled in 2006 for about $400,000, according to online court documents.<br />Tania Cadoganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06511272355142175684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-75196714468576977212016-01-06T18:11:50.352-05:002016-01-06T18:11:50.352-05:00John mcgowan,
Thanks for the link. What a disgusti...John mcgowan,<br />Thanks for the link. What a disgusting turn that people will be so vile and reactionary over a biased documentary.mom2manynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-74814667464903813532016-01-06T18:00:46.935-05:002016-01-06T18:00:46.935-05:00Thanks for the story about Ken Kratz and the death...Thanks for the story about Ken Kratz and the death threats on Nancy Grace.<br /><br />The biased "documentary" writers have given new energy to Steven Avery's past wreckage of other people's lives. The carnage continues.Triggernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-64229727020867331602016-01-06T17:38:32.045-05:002016-01-06T17:38:32.045-05:00There are some parts Brendan clearly lied about. B...There are some parts Brendan clearly lied about. But he never changed his story about both of them being responsible for the crime, about him raping her and them murdering, and burning her. <br /><br />AnonMain wrote:<br />'I can't wrap my brain around why Brendan would give statements that made things look worse for him than better." <br /><br />Yes, very interesting, probably he was confused about which is better for him. Sadly, the truth, the actual crime, could have looked even worse than he described it. <br /><br />Jen, during the trial, they claimed, he used "Kiss the girls" storyline. That has some very disturbing scenes according to an article, but does not match much of his version.<br />After reading all of Brendan's statements, I am convinced he did not make all of that up.Neynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-89613906578111053912016-01-06T17:00:02.843-05:002016-01-06T17:00:02.843-05:00‘Making a Murderer’ prosecutor receiving chilling ...<b>‘Making a Murderer’ prosecutor receiving chilling death threats</b><br /><br />Former Calumet County District Attorney Ken Kratz, who was featured in the Netflix’s “Making a Murderer,” tells HLN’s Nancy Grace about the chilling death threats he’s received following the release of the documentary series.<br /><br />http://www.hlntv.com/shows/nancy-grace/articles/2016/01/06/making-a-murderer-prosecutor-ken-kratz-receiving-death-threatsJohn Mc Gowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430624388902099338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-80402023405871002662016-01-06T16:29:24.947-05:002016-01-06T16:29:24.947-05:00You see? YOU SEE? that's where you end up....e...You see? YOU SEE? that's where you end up....every time. I end up there every time.<br /><br />JenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-15716988765189345562016-01-06T16:23:23.971-05:002016-01-06T16:23:23.971-05:00Anon,
Branden was not paid to write a book or scri...<br />Anon,<br />Branden was not paid to write a book or script about what he say about Theresa's demise.<br /><br />You have just re-enforced my belief that he thinks about torturing, raping, and killing women who are tied up in that manner then burning body in the salvage yard.<br /><br />Branden is as sick as Steven.<br /><br />I want to thank the Governor Walker for rejecting a pardon for Steven Avery.Triggernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-65219259807577426012016-01-06T14:29:27.334-05:002016-01-06T14:29:27.334-05:00Jen,
Thank you for the law blog article. Interesti...Jen,<br />Thank you for the law blog article. Interesting. So the list of five alternate suspects the defense submitted did not reach the standard for admissibility at that point in time.<br /><br />Because of the change they possibly could now. There must be motive and actual evidence to present an alternate suspect in court. The suspect must also not be ruled out by time, place or circumstance. <br /><br />A judge may have ruled Bobby Dassey and Chuck Avery as admissible under this standard. Susnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-74527003624185677192016-01-06T13:59:16.582-05:002016-01-06T13:59:16.582-05:00Trigger @ 12:56 said: The things that Brendan said...Trigger @ 12:56 said: The things that Brendan said he saw and did to Theresa were not made up. He made drawings of Theresa tied to the bed with her arms and legs spread apart. She was tied with rope and chains. Who could make up something as terrible as that?<br /><br />Anyone can make up something like that. Lots of people are paid money to dream things like that up in books and movies. I don't have any trouble at all believing it is made up, and have wondered whether we'll find out someday there's a tie to some movie he watched...precisely because it was so farfetched, I'm not sure *this* kid could go to such lengths in his imagination. <br /><br />JenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-85804384794758520572016-01-06T13:54:24.568-05:002016-01-06T13:54:24.568-05:00Here's a discussion of the legalities behind s...Here's a discussion of the legalities behind suggesting alternate suspects, from the excellent Colin Miller, pertaining specifically to this case: http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/evidenceprof/2015/12/in-a-prior-post-i-talked-about-how-the-steven-averycase-frommaking-a-murdererwas-one-of-the-cases-that-led-the-aba-to-amend.html<br /><br />JenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-33325233899002786452016-01-06T13:36:12.419-05:002016-01-06T13:36:12.419-05:00Gov. Walker is denying the pardon for Avery.
http...Gov. Walker is denying the pardon for Avery.<br /><br />http://news.yahoo.com/wisconsin-governor-no-pardon-making-murderer-case-165618348.html#<br /><br /><br />*Thanks John for the links to the series! :)maudes haroldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08310246530830761390noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-26619178619104932152016-01-06T13:24:35.748-05:002016-01-06T13:24:35.748-05:00Former Steven Avery case juror on ‘Making a Murder...<b>Former Steven Avery case juror on ‘Making a Murderer’ and the story behind it</b><br /><br />Video<br /><br />https://www.yahoo.com/katiecouric/former-steven-avery-case-juror-on-making-a-154605397.htmlJohn Mc Gowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430624388902099338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-46571614497497684222016-01-06T12:56:45.649-05:002016-01-06T12:56:45.649-05:00The things that Brendan said he saw and did to The...The things that Brendan said he saw and did to Theresa were not made up. He made drawings of Theresa tied to the bed with her arms and legs spread apart. She was tied with rope and chains. Who could make up something as terrible as that?<br /><br />He said that he had sex with her while she was restrained in that manner. She was unable to stop anything that was done to her that day.<br /><br />He said that Theresa begged him to stop the assault.<br /><br />Who makes up something that horrible and cruel?<br /><br />Triggernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7164794708270892518.post-51773460978379504222016-01-06T12:52:31.765-05:002016-01-06T12:52:31.765-05:00mom2many, Trigger
18 mins 30 secs
http://geektv....mom2many, Trigger<br /><br />18 mins 30 secs<br /><br />http://geektv.me/watch/591737<br /><br />John Mc Gowanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430624388902099338noreply@blogger.com