Intolerance breeds totalitarianism, even when it demands to be called "tolerance."
Here is a claim about one being forced to leave one's own homeland due to fear from political intolerance.
Is the subject truthful?
Is he working from experiential memory or is he not?
Experiential memory is the recall that comes from experience.
Experience has a stronger hormonal accompaniment than the linguistic source of having read something, or having seen a movie, or another's description. Even hearing another's account has an emotional component, but not that of personal experience. This is especially evident in trauma.
When we analyze a statement, we begin believing the subject. This is our presupposition. Even in employment analysis, we begin with a similar presupposition: "I am going to hire this person. He will have to talk me out of it!"
It is not a moral exercise, but a practical one which allows for the establishment of a baseline of 'norm' or 'acceptable' language making it easier to spot deviations from the norm (the 'unexpected' in language).
Pop Quiz: Truthful or Deceptive
"I was forced to leave my homeland. The police came to my door very early in the morning and told me that I was coming downtown for questioning. I didn't even have time to get dressed. We drove to the station where they sat me down in a large room and questioned me. They quickly figured out that I was just a student and not part of any political group, and let me go. My mother was still too afraid so she told me I had to leave..."
"We drove to the station"
ReplyDelete"We" shows closeness to the police and that he wasn't forced.
He said early on that he was forced to leave his homeland. Who forced him? Not the police. His mother perhaps. I would also note that he was questioned, not interrogated. Never directly indicated what he was "questioned" about.
ReplyDeleteAgree with Trigger, "we drove to the station" shows closeness. I would have expected "the police took me to the station". And the main factor that caused the move appears to be his mother with the last sentence.
ReplyDeleteTheres not enough in his statement to conclude true or deceptive. Police at his home probly did frighten. He may or may not be involved in something bad. Mother fearful? Maybe theres paranoia in the neighborhood. Maybe official paranoia. Civilians are killed by occupying forces based on suspicion. Its all "maybe" based on incomplete narrative
ReplyDeleteMy first impression is that the story is passive. The police "came to my door very early ... I didn't even have time to get dressed." The implication is the subject was unprepared and surprised by the arrival of police, or he would have been dressed. I would expect something along the line of, 'the police pounded on my door.'
ReplyDelete"Questioned me" is another passive phrase. I don't sense fear or concern for what might happen to him.
I notice "just a student" which indicates the subject is comparing student to something else he might be in his mind.
"Not part of a political group" is reported in the negative showing sensitivity.
I notice "Sat me down" as a change of posture but I don't recall how to apply SA to that. I'll have to research.
He states his mother is afraid, but does not say that he is afraid.
Also, the pacing of the story is off. The left hurriedly without time to dress, but that rushed emotion is halted with "drive to the station." was he devising how to deceive during this time? Then he is sat down, still slow pacing. Then he speeds the pace again with "quickly."
The statement is deceptive.
We drove, is inconclusive. Is he 20 or 10 yrs old? We dont know. Was he placed in passenger seat of policecar or thrown in back of paddy wagon freddy gray style? We dont know.
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ReplyDeleteDeceptive.
ReplyDeleteHis mother told him he had to leave because she was afraid of police coming to her house.
It doesn't say his mother forced him to leave his homeland.
"I was forced to leave my homeland. The police came to my door very early in the morning and told me that I was coming downtown for questioning. I didn't even have time to get dressed. We drove to the station where they sat me down in a large room and questioned me. They quickly figured out that I was just a student and not part of any political group, and let me go. My mother was still too afraid so she told me I had to leave…"
ReplyDeleteI was forced to leave my homeland.
The statement begins at “the end” of what happened.
The statement begins with an excuse.
There is no mention of who or what did the forcing.
The police came to my door very early in the morning and told me that I was coming downtown for questioning.
"was coming" is passive language, they did not tell him “come with them” or “to come downtown with them”,
“was coming” does not coincide with the mood the author begins with (force)
“coming” is from the perspective of the police, “going” is from the perspective of the suspect, IMO, “coming” shows unity
didn’t even have time to get dressed
“didn’t” - what is said in the negative is sensitive, (was he expecting them and prepared to leave in his sleepwear?)
mention of time reflects the pace, not having time to dress persuades the urgency of the situation
We drove to the station where they sat me down in a large room and questioned me
“we” shows unity
“downtown” becomes "the station", change in reality
they sat me down in a large room and questioned me
"they sat me down" - passive, sat me down versus, (in keeping with “force") told me to sit down
“a large room” - unnecessary, extra wording, persuading, large is expansive, it does not describe a high-stress, (small) intense environment, large implies distance and laid back, not stressful
questioned me
dropped pronoun, he doesn’t say ‘they’ questioned him
They quickly figured out that I was just a student and not part of any political group
“quickly" - extra wording, persuading
“figured out” - to find a solution, they did not confirm or verify he was a student, they “figured out"
“just” a student - just is dependent word requiring another “identity” to be in play to a harmless student, the alternative would be a threat
“not” of any political group - what is reported in the negative is sensitive. Being part of any political group would be a threat
and let me go
dropped pronoun, nobody let him go, he left of his own accord
My mother was still too afraid so she told me I had to leave
"was still too afraid", the cause of his mother’s fear is not revealed, her fear existed before (still) the police came to his door and continues
“so” answers why he she told him to leave, but the root of her fear is not revealed.
IMO, his mother has knowledge of and fear of who else her son is and he is being deceptive about the reason why she asked him to leave.
jmo
mom2many said:
ReplyDeleteHe states his mother is afraid, but does not say that he is afraid.
Great catch. Being "forced" to leave his homeland would imply that there was associated fear (for himself). But as you pointed out, he doesn't say he was afraid, just his mother.
Form
ReplyDeletePre: 8 words
What happened: 33 words
Post: 14 words
Subject beings the statement with “I” which lends credibility.
“was forced” is passive
“The police” This may indicate he knew them, or had some familiarity.
“Door” the inclusion of the word door has a statistical correlation to childhood abuse, which could be explored in future interviews.
“Leave” can indicate rushing or missing information; in this case it was likely due to a rushed departure.
“told me” told is authoritative and expected when dealing with law enforcement
“that I was coming” the inclusion of the word “that” shows his dislike for the activity, “was coming” is passive. “the police” coupled with the passivity of “was coming” suggests that the police were polite but authoritative; he did not experience violence or threat of violence in his interaction with them.
“I didn't even have time to get dressed.” The subject tells us what happened in the negative, making it doubly important to him.
“We drove” suggests unity and cooperation; again the subject did not feel threatened.
“where they sat me down in a large room and questioned me.”
“Sat” indicates an increase in tension, “large room” may indicate a feeling of vulnerability.
“They quickly figured out that I was just a student and not part of any political group” The subject notes the speed with which the police “figured out” that “I was just” (just being a comparison) a student and not (in the negative) part of any political group. The subject is re-asserting his innocence here; in comparison to a negative. He may actually have some small ties to a political group which he wanted to remain hidden.
“and let me go” there is some missing information here, between political group and “let me go”.
“My mother was still too afraid so she told me I had to leave..."
My mother is an incomplete social introduction, though he does claim her as “my”. This may indicate a disagreement about his “leaving”.
“was still too afraid” - still is a comparison; had he run into trouble before? The fear of something happening to him was not new to her.
“she told me I had to leave...”
Told is authoritative, this suggests he wished to stay. “leave” again indicates a rush.
Conclusion:
The subject likely does have some political ties he does not wish to be known. It is possible this is not the first time he has spoken with police about it. His mother forced him to leave before they found out and really did arrest him.
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ReplyDelete"I was forced to leave my homeland. The police came to my door very early in the morning and told me that I was coming downtown for questioning. I didn't even have time to get dressed. We drove to the station where they sat me down in a large room and questioned me. They quickly figured out that I was just a student and not part of any political group, and let me go. My mother was still too afraid so she told me I had to leave..."
ReplyDelete----
"I was forced to leave my homeland.
He starts with the end, the conclusion, the result of what preceded.
The police came to my door very early in the morning and told me that I was coming downtown for questioning.
This is portrayed as passive, no impression of threat or force was used.
Expected would be them banging loudly on the door or breaking it down, shouts and orders, physical force.
Given it was early i would expect comments about being awoken, confusion, fear, panic even.
He refers to it as my door not my home
Is it his home?
Does he live with others?
If so, who does he live with?
Is he in an apartment complex where it would be his door as opposed to his home?
Instead we have it described as polite although the word told is stronger than asked
coming not going, is he repeating what they said?
I didn't even have time to get dressed.
This again implies speed and force yet he doesn't reflect it in his language.
Expected would be them telling him to not worry about getting dressed, to hurry up.
Where is the haste?
We drove to the station where they sat me down in a large room and questioned me.
We indicates unity, shared cooperation, something i would not expect if he was woken early and then hauled downtown for questioning.
I would expect him to use the word they since it is they doing the action to him with him not being willing.
Sat s a body position and indicates tension, not unexpected given he is now in police custody awaiting questioning.
They quickly figured out that I was just a student and not part of any political group, and let me go.
How did they quickly figure it out that you were a student and not part of any political group?
We have a temporal lacuna where we do not know what questions were asked or what his responses were.
This makes the missing information sensitive.
This would and should be the most important part of his statement, this would explain why other things happened.
They didn't learn he was just a student.
They didn't find out he was just a student.
They didn't investigate.
He didn't tell them he was just a student.
He didn't explain he was just a student.
He didn't inform he was just a student.
He didn't prove he was just a student.
He didn't show he was just a student.
Instead he tells us that they figured it out.
How did they figure it out?
What was asked of him that caused them to only figure it out rather than have evidence or information to reach a conclusion?
He makes no mention of what he was asked.
No mention of why he was brought to the station.
It is as if it was a passing interest, just something they decided to do.
No accusations were made that he could deny.
Questions with no answers.
He doesn't tell us why he was being questioned, what was he suspected of being involved in.
Just is a word used to compare and minimize downwards.
He is comparing being a student to what?
I would expect to hear him say they thought i was involved in (insert deed/action/group) i wasn't, i was a student of (insert subject)
Was anything said when they let him go?
How quickly is quickly?
How did they confirm he was just a student?
What was done on his release?
What did he do on release?
Where did he go?
Who did he tell?
cont.
ReplyDeleteMy mother was still too afraid so she told me I had to leave..."
Where was his mother during this?
The implication is that she was at the house as well, why no mention of her?
She was too afraid of what?
If he was a genuine innocent student, what had she to fear?
If he wasn't a genuine innocent student, then surely it would bolster his claim to seek asylum?
He would be at risk of persecution and, depending on country of origin, possibly detention, torture and/or death.
So is used to explain why something happened, here it relates to his mother telling him to leave.
This however does not mean his was forced to leave his homeland, only that she wanted him to leave, her house perhaps?
Maybe even the town?
Who then forced him to leave his homeland?
He doesn't tell us.
What forced him to leave his homeland?
He doesn't tell us except for the apparently brief gentle questioning by police.
Where is his fear that caused him to be forced to leave his homeland?
He doesn't tell us.
Where is his anger at being forced to leave his homeland and, presumably his family and friends?
He doesn't tell us.
Where is the emotion?
He has no fear that would force him to leave his homeland.
His mother has the fear.
His mother has the fear that told him to leave.
He doesn't tell us what her fear was and what she told him to leave.
Ther isnt enough info to be sure of anything. Just speculation.
ReplyDeleteI believe the statement to be true. I don't see anything wrong with it.
ReplyDeletethey sat me down in a large room and questioned me
ReplyDeleteThere are a lot of words between "they" and "me", but there is a dropped pronoun at "questioned". There was discussion between them, but no questioning.
The posture (sat) is passive. There is no tension. There is room to breathe (large room)
"a"
a room that is introduced for the first time. This large room is new and not used for interrogation as the dropped pronoun at questioned makes questioned non-existent.
This was a meeting, not an interrogation. There was no threat directed at him.
I like the subject and I believe him.
ReplyDeleteFurther, where he starts is what is important to him which happens to be the end of the story. What preceded his arrival is not important, Asylum is.
ReplyDeleteInnocent people who are feeling suspect will make statements that might be viewed as "deceptive". I have no idea that is what's happening in this case.
ReplyDeleteReminds me of clockboy. And which mid eastern country has a problem with radicals who would be afraid of police and flee? Location seems Europe and person mideastern but born in Europe. Now afraid perhaps justifiably due to radicalism or affiliation. Still a teenager probably if scenario isnt just hypothetical.
ReplyDeleteI didn't answer the question.
ReplyDeleteDeception indicated. He was not forced to leave his homeland because of political intolerance.
I believe the key word here is "we". It shows unity and cooperation. If i was woken up "early in the morning" and told "i was coming downtown for questioning" i would want to know why, and that he doesn't say why, and put up any resistance is unexpected.
ReplyDelete"They quickly figured out that I was just a student and not part of any political group, and let me go"
This is back to front.
Order is important. That he puts his status (student) before being cleared of any involvement in a "political group" whatever that is, for me shows no fear.
Expected
They thought i was part of a "political group" but realised i was just a "student".
He/she is being deceptive of why he was taken to the police station and not that he wasn't.
Next, here is a piece of information withheld:
ReplyDeleteThe story is more than 30 years old.
a. Does this change your opinion?
b. If so, how?
c. If so, why?
Does "time contamination" apply here, or is there still enough to conclude deception?
Peter
"Does "time contamination" apply here, or is there still enough to conclude deception?"
ReplyDeleteIs he/she answering a question?
Is this a written statement?
Is it an open statement?
Is it said in the "free editing stage.?
Is it a transcript from a police statement?
"time contamination"
Will have an impact on "experiential memory", if it is not a crime (significant). As time pass's we abbreviate. We choose the most important parts of an event. What has he/she been accused of?
It's assumed that he is a member of a "political group", yet there is no accusation.
His/her statement reads like answers to questions previously asked. If the statement is made after he/she has been asked the questions. Then yes,"contamination" is possible.
*Then yes,"contamination"
ReplyDeleteMaybe present
Time contamination, no.
ReplyDeleteWas English his first language?
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ReplyDelete"I was forced to leave my homeland. The police came to my door very early in the morning and told me that I was coming downtown for questioning. I didn't even have time to get dressed. We drove to the station where they sat me down in a large room and questioned me. They quickly figured out that I was just a student and not part of any political group, and let me go. My mother was still too afraid so she told me I had to leave..."
ReplyDeleteThe story is more than 30 years old.
a. Does this change your opinion?
No. With time, statements begin to sound/read differently. There is less emotionalism. Typically stories take on more generalization and there may appear some "perfectly placed" emotion for emphasis like, "I was terrified!" This statement is acute-like and very personal in the way someone might write about something that happened to them in the immediate past. This person is recanting why he left his home country (30 years ago). There is no embellishment, i.e., he doesn't talk about the political climate, pointing to a dictator, etc., and its impact on fellow citizens, or any history in general to illustrate, lend hind-sight credibility to his plight.
In my opinion, time contamination does not apply here. He is still relaying the same "script" he did the day he arrived.
Peter,
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure I understand "time contamination". I don't recall you writing on the subject per se so I used your search engine. I'm ASSuming you're asking if the amount of time has impacted his story? Maybe I've answer the question wrong, i.e., there is time contamination? i.e., his story has not changed?
I'll look forward to your analysis and the topic discussion.
Cheers
Was the story told 30 years ago or was it related recently but happened 30 years ago????
ReplyDeleteIs the statement from 30 years ago, or did you mean that this individual is recounting his memories 30 years later?
ReplyDeleteAnonymous Sus said...
ReplyDelete"it frightened his mother enough to tell him to leave."
Leave where?
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This must be big news to have 2 hours blocked off for media interviews. My guess is they found DeOrr.
Deception indicated. He wasn't "forced" to do anything. The police let him go. His mother told him to leave.
ReplyDeleteThe events related are out of sequence.
The subject is telling the truth.
ReplyDeleteThe pronoun "we", uniting him and the police, has come over time (processing) in which he signaled to me (verbally) that the account was going to end positively.
Regarding first language English:
In the passage of years, if one does not translate while speaking, 'first language' question is dissolved. The subject is bi lingual, but has been speaking English for more than 30 years, perhaps exclusively. (I asked)
Regarding what he reported in the negative, elevating the importance:
he was hauled away in his pajamas. For a man, this is a position of vulnerability and embarrassment. As a teenager, it is even worse. Thus, the importance.
His mother could not be convinced that there was no more danger and arranged for him to leave the country. She prevailed.
He loves America.
This was interesting and he shared some moving detail that impacted me. As he spoke, I discerned veracity, with pronouns being intuitively used, even though many years have passed.
Do not feel badly about this; I chose it because of the bizarre use of "we", as well as detail that would matter most to a male teen and vulnerability (he expressed this in detail; post account).
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Peter
Thanks for your follow-up Peter.
ReplyDeleteI was at lunch when I read your answer. My path is a long one. :0)
Happy Friday,
Nic
PS, Could you write about "time contamination" some time? Thanks.