I got it from criminologist Ursula Franco from Italy. She’s brilliant. With the moving water, size and other variables along with the time it often takes (contrary to the braggart Faulding) to find a body, it made sense.
Well, I’d expect you to have only valuable team members. :).
I don’t know how he could insist Nicola was not in the river whilst also saying his sonar wouldn’t be able to detect a body in reeds, when there are clearly many reedy areas - he just should have said that he tried, but there were a lot of reeds, and he did not find her.
Maybe he took a leaf from AWP book - similarly overstepped his remit. Maybe there wan’t one - just an expectation that he’d quietly and decently go about his search.
What I found most strange was his insistence - as though pitting himself against the police, consistent in their statements that they believed Nicola was in the river.
"If I gave them false hope, then what about the police search teams there every day? “
Childish - plus the question is illogical as police divers were searching on the premise Nicola WAS in the river, which was not about giving hope but locating a body, whereas Faulding claimed and tried to “prove” that Nicola didn’t fall in the river. He should just be quiet.
Not an “embedded confession” but he embedded the accusation WITHOUT a denial. The words come from an interviewer. He used them while seeking to share guilt with police.
They (LE et al) had some of the best professionals and equipment in the country searching for her, yet, it was two dog walkers that found her??. Was she put there after the fact? So many questions.
Past the security cameras? Through an area that has increased traffic since she went missing? Without being seen by police who check the area? Past tik tok searchers?
Many searches of moving water are weeks and months in length.
Would a killer successfully get her body OUT of there without being seen and then be fearless of smuggling the body back in?
It’s strange he would say such things considering he is hired by other police forces to locate bodies - it’s as if he did the search for free but has still made them pay, one way or another. Free publicity, advising Paul outside of his boundaries - casting shade on police capabilities. As if he can say what he likes because he’s not bound by any contract, and rather than just go about his business as if he were under contract, he does say what he likes, when better he had not. It’s quite disturbing, as with AWP speaking all out of turn in the Keily Rodni case.
I think the police made the right call at the beginning. The simplest and most logical scenario given the information available was that she was in the water, which was what the police concluded. There was nothing to suggest that something else had happened. I would expect sniffer dogs were used by the police early on and that they would have been able to give some incline to what direction she was moving in, unless the scent disappeared at her last location, which if it did would support her being in the water. Very tragic, especially for the children.
They shouldn’t lose respect because PF is used by other police forces, has a good track record in locating bodies, and apparently the family requested he join the search efforts - it might have seemed too territorial to not let him conduct his own search. I can see why police can be territorial, though - they don’t need undermining.
'I would add as a final note, I will not be giving any further information or commentary at this time regarding the work involved in finding this person‘. Jason Rothwell
I bet. He could just admit that it was an odour that led him to call 999, a natural rather than supernatural sense; it’s the little common sense things, but the people who want to believe will give him his moment.
The strange and fascinating world of social media ‘content’ creators.
On the other river bank someone filmed the recovery and posted it on YouTube. If it were not for views, would he have crossed that line?
OT Daily Mail Police said they responded to the Setai Ocean Suites, which boast panoramic views of the ocean and cityscape, in connection with an 'unresponsive woman.'
Prior to their arrival, fire rescue was dispatched in emergency mode.
Johnny Berthold, who according to his linked in works as the Director of Security at Setai, said the 'front desk contacted room #2805 due to a past checkout time' but there was no answer to the room's phone line, the case report reads.
Bolno was then contacted by the front desk via landline and according to police said he has 'already checked out and needed the female in his room, out of his room.'
Hotel security camera footage revealed that Bolno left just after 4.30am on the morning of March 30. Police said they believe the incident occurred between the hours of 7am March 29 and 1.09pm the next day.
rommindtomatter said... I think the police made the right call at the beginning. The simplest and most logical scenario given the information available was that she was in the water, which was what the police concluded.
Ok. But HOW did she get into the water?!! There was only a twenty minute window! And she was on a conference call with work, and with her dog. Is it possible one more f the people who reported seeing her was the one who put her into her water. Is it actually believed that it was an accident or deliberate action on her part?! No note, in the middle of doing work, therefore highly unlikely to be musing/ contemplating suicidal thoughts, busy with a dog to tend to, it’s just a mysterious twenty minutes.
Mr Faulding told TalkTV: "If Nicola slipped down the bank she would end up with water to the top of her legs, if she went out into the middle it's about 3.5m/4m deep.
She would have had to been busy filling her clothes with rocks and her dog would have been barking and making a commotion if she attempted to kill herself in that river.
Footage of the divers has been shared on social media by YouTuber Maria Solarz after she spotted the police activity on Tuesday, April 4.
In her video, the divers can be seen wading through the water next to the weir, close to where the 45-year-old's phone and her dog Willow were found on the morning she disappeared (January 27).
mariasolarz) Ms Bulley’s body was found a mile downstream from the weir on February 19, among reeds and undergrowth, but a cause of death has not been made public.
An inquest into her death is to be heard on Monday, June 26 at County Hall in Preston.
That’s a quote from Nicole’s partner from an interview he did with the Mirror.
There’s also many times he goes into present tense when recalling the day she died. And he says he’s 100 percent certain she’s not in the river, and gives alternative scenarios as to why her cell, and dogs harness were found at her last KNOWN location. Suggesting they were left there as a ruse. Even though she was seen there? Pointing fingers at a”local”. I’m uncertain as to why he was cleared, because by his own statements he speaks about an unusual morning, and how he had an “hour” after she left with the kids.
It really seems impossible to drown oneself without the aide of a weight. The human impulse is to breathe. I don’t believe she managed to do this supposed”suicidal act” in the twenty minute window without someone noticing. And without a note. It’s very suspicious. If she openly spoke of suicidal thoughts , it was a cry for attention because of something going on in her life. And was it only her partner who knew of these thoughts? His statements are all over the place . She was seen near the bench, with her dog on the phone, then suddenly gone. Only to be fount in the water much later, snd an autopsy result yet to be revealed? Unless she took numbing medication or filled her pockets with heavy stones, I think there was a murder committed.
It seems to be to be near endless theories to this simple case.
Peter
How is it simple? How can a person drown in relatively calm,albeit deep enough, waters, without weights or numbing drugs or a clonk on the head?
Just curious. Because by brother drowned. But first he dove in and removed an enormous downed fir tree that had created a fishing hole, the next time he dove in the full strength of the rivers current must have taken him down stream, where he was found by river rescuers. But the river he died in had a strong current. I cannot understand how a person could drown In such a shallow calm river?
Witness even said that the fir tree he pulled out looked like a Christmas tree because of all the lures stuck on it. Please explain why her drowning is a “simple” case. I cannot understand from reading the statements. How did she manage to drown in calm waters?
My brother almost drowned in a puddle. Ludwig II of Bavaria (Neuschwanstein Castle) committed suicide in a shallow part of a lake at the age of 40.
In both cases, Ludwig’s and Nicola’s, the water was very cold and could have caused a heart attack. It would definitely cause a shock to the body plus the many clothes she was wearing most likely would have made it difficult to get out of the water. We also don’t know if Nicola got in the water where her phone was found or after the weir where the water is deeper, or if she was under the influence of any drugs, meds, alcohol.
Her family must go through a difficult time, not only because of her death but also because of all the speculations surrounding it. I wish they can heal from this and hopefully the coroner’s report will put any speculations to rest when it is released.
RIP, Nicola.
ReplyDeleteSo sad, but some closure for the family at last.
The area is beyond the weir, so was not covered by the SGI private search.
The body found by dog walkers, as Peter predicted.
Where/when did he"predict"that?
DeleteVery sad.
ReplyDeleteOn Twitter, quite a few days ago.
ReplyDeleteI got it from criminologist Ursula Franco from Italy. She’s brilliant. With the moving water, size and other variables along with the time it often takes (contrary to the braggart Faulding) to find a body, it made sense.
ReplyDeleteShe’s a valuable team member
Well, I’d expect you to have only valuable team members. :).
ReplyDeleteI don’t know how he could insist Nicola was not in the river whilst also saying his sonar wouldn’t be able to detect a body in reeds, when there are clearly many reedy areas - he just should have said that he tried, but there were a lot of reeds, and he did not find her.
Maybe he took a leaf from AWP book - similarly overstepped his remit. Maybe there wan’t one - just an expectation that he’d quietly and decently go about his search.
What I found most strange was his insistence - as though pitting himself against the police, consistent in their statements that they believed Nicola was in the river.
Article below on Faulding.
DeleteFaulding’s own statements were similar to those caught who can’t help but sound absurd
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/uk-news/nicola-bulley-diver-peter-faulding-26280942
ReplyDeleteWhataboutery -
ReplyDelete"If I gave them false hope, then what about the police search teams there every day? “
Childish - plus the question is illogical as police divers were searching on the premise Nicola WAS in the river, which was not about giving hope but locating a body, whereas Faulding claimed and tried to “prove” that Nicola didn’t fall in the river. He should just be quiet.
He embeds what he has done rather than refute it.
DeleteNot an “embedded confession” but he embedded the accusation WITHOUT a denial. The words come from an interviewer. He used them while seeking to share guilt with police.
ReplyDeleteThey (LE et al) had some of the best professionals and equipment in the country searching for her, yet, it was two dog walkers that found her??. Was she put there after the fact? So many questions.
ReplyDeletePast the security cameras? Through an area that has increased traffic since she went missing? Without being seen by police who check the area? Past tik tok searchers?
DeleteMany searches of moving water are weeks and months in length.
Would a killer successfully get her body OUT of there without being seen and then be fearless of smuggling the body back in?
This is absurdity.
It’s strange he would say such things considering he is hired by other police forces to locate bodies - it’s as if he did the search for free but has still made them pay, one way or another. Free publicity, advising Paul outside of his boundaries - casting shade on police capabilities. As if he can say what he likes because he’s not bound by any contract, and rather than just go about his business as if he were under contract, he does say what he likes, when better he had not. It’s quite disturbing, as with AWP speaking all out of turn in the Keily Rodni case.
ReplyDeleteImagine the reputation of the one who brought him on board?
DeleteThe officer (s) responsible may have lost some respect among peers.
I think the police made the right call at the beginning. The simplest and most logical scenario given the information available was that she was in the water, which was what the police concluded. There was nothing to suggest that something else had happened. I would expect sniffer dogs were used by the police early on and that they would have been able to give some incline to what direction she was moving in, unless the scent disappeared at her last location, which if it did would support her being in the water. Very tragic, especially for the children.
ReplyDeleteAdrian
They shouldn’t lose respect because PF is used by other police forces, has a good track record in locating bodies, and apparently the family requested he join the search efforts - it might have seemed too territorial to not let him conduct his own search. I can see why police can be territorial, though - they don’t need undermining.
ReplyDeleteThe circus comes to town -
ReplyDeletehttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11772723/Amateur-medium-body-hunt-missing-Nicola-Bulley.html
ReplyDelete'I would add as a final note, I will not be giving any further information or commentary at this time regarding the work involved in finding this person‘. Jason Rothwell
I bet. He could just admit that it was an odour that led him to call 999, a natural rather than supernatural sense; it’s the little common sense things, but the people who want to believe will give him his moment.
The strange and fascinating world of social media ‘content’ creators.
On the other river bank someone filmed the recovery and posted it on YouTube. If it were not for views, would he have crossed that line?
This really turned into a circus. Left behind is a family forever impacted.
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ReplyDeleteDaily Mail
Police said they responded to the Setai Ocean Suites, which boast panoramic views of the ocean and cityscape, in connection with an 'unresponsive woman.'
Prior to their arrival, fire rescue was dispatched in emergency mode.
Johnny Berthold, who according to his linked in works as the Director of Security at Setai, said the 'front desk contacted room #2805 due to a past checkout time' but there was no answer to the room's phone line, the case report reads.
Bolno was then contacted by the front desk via landline and according to police said he has 'already checked out and needed the female in his room, out of his room.'
Hotel security camera footage revealed that Bolno left just after 4.30am on the morning of March 30. Police said they believe the incident occurred between the hours of 7am March 29 and 1.09pm the next day.
rommindtomatter said...
ReplyDeleteI think the police made the right call at the beginning. The simplest and most logical scenario given the information available was that she was in the water, which was what the police concluded.
Ok. But HOW did she get into the water?!! There was only a twenty minute window! And she was on a conference call with work, and with her dog. Is it possible one more f the people who reported seeing her was the one who put her into her water. Is it actually believed that it was an accident or deliberate action on her part?! No note, in the middle of doing work, therefore highly unlikely to be musing/ contemplating suicidal thoughts, busy with a dog to tend to, it’s just a mysterious twenty minutes.
Mr Faulding told TalkTV: "If Nicola slipped down the bank she would end up with water to the top of her legs, if she went out into the middle it's about 3.5m/4m deep.
ReplyDeleteShe would have had to been busy filling her clothes with rocks and her dog would have been barking and making a commotion if she attempted to kill herself in that river.
ReplyDeleteBecause her dog stayed by the the bench, it’s certainly the spot where she went into the river. If only the dog could talk…
ReplyDeleteFootage of the divers has been shared on social media by YouTuber Maria Solarz after she spotted the police activity on Tuesday, April 4.
ReplyDeleteIn her video, the divers can be seen wading through the water next to the weir, close to where the 45-year-old's phone and her dog Willow were found on the morning she disappeared (January 27).
mariasolarz)
ReplyDeleteMs Bulley’s body was found a mile downstream from the weir on February 19, among reeds and undergrowth, but a cause of death has not been made public.
An inquest into her death is to be heard on Monday, June 26 at County Hall in Preston.
Wow! It seems that it is a suspicious death.
I knew that that would happen on the first day,
ReplyDeleteThat’s a quote from Nicole’s partner from an interview he did with the Mirror.
There’s also many times he goes into present tense when recalling the day she died. And he says he’s 100 percent certain she’s not in the river, and gives alternative scenarios as to why her cell, and dogs harness were found at her last KNOWN location. Suggesting they were left there as a ruse. Even though she was seen there? Pointing fingers at a”local”. I’m uncertain as to why he was cleared, because by his own statements he speaks about an unusual morning, and how he had an “hour” after she left with the kids.
The language of trauma Likely long term threatening of suicide, attempting to get her help, protecting the children, and so on.
DeletePeter
I knew that that would happen on the first day,
ReplyDeleteNicole’s partner was referring to be a suspect. Innocent people do NOT expect to be a suspect
The wild speculation on Nicola's partner, especially in YouTube videos, does not nullify the language. He was truthful.
ReplyDeleteIt seems to be to be near endless theories to this simple case.
Peter
It really seems impossible to drown oneself without the aide of a weight. The human impulse is to breathe. I don’t believe she managed to do this supposed”suicidal act” in the twenty minute window without someone noticing. And without a note. It’s very suspicious. If she openly spoke of suicidal thoughts , it was a cry for attention because of something going on in her life. And was it only her partner who knew of these thoughts? His statements are all over the place . She was seen near the bench, with her dog on the phone, then suddenly gone. Only to be fount in the water much later, snd an autopsy result yet to be revealed? Unless she took numbing medication or filled her pockets with heavy stones, I think there was a murder committed.
ReplyDeleteIt seems to be to be near endless theories to this simple case.
ReplyDeletePeter
How is it simple? How can a person drown in relatively calm,albeit deep enough, waters, without weights or numbing drugs or a clonk on the head?
Just curious. Because by brother drowned. But first he dove in and removed an enormous downed fir tree that had created a fishing hole, the next time he dove in the full strength of the rivers current must have taken him down stream, where he was found by river rescuers. But the river he died in had a strong current. I cannot understand how a person could drown In such a shallow calm river?
Witness even said that the fir tree he pulled out looked like a Christmas tree because of all the lures stuck on it. Please explain why her drowning is a “simple” case. I cannot understand from reading the statements. How did she manage to drown in calm waters?
ReplyDeleteMy brother almost drowned in a puddle.
DeleteLudwig II of Bavaria (Neuschwanstein Castle) committed suicide in a shallow part of a lake at the age of 40.
In both cases, Ludwig’s and Nicola’s, the water was very cold and could have caused a heart attack. It would definitely cause a shock to the body plus the many clothes she was wearing most likely would have made it difficult to get out of the water. We also don’t know if Nicola got in the water where her phone was found or after the weir where the water is deeper, or if she was under the influence of any drugs, meds, alcohol.
Her family must go through a difficult time, not only because of her death but also because of all the speculations surrounding it. I wish they can heal from this and hopefully the coroner’s report will put any speculations to rest when it is released.
It almost looked like a river/ pond.
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