Friday, October 21, 2016

Amanda Blackburn Murder: Post Crime Behavior



One element of analysis that is particularly difficult is "attendant deception"; that is, one is deceptive about one thing, but not another.  

In many major crimes, lesser crimes are committed "in attendance" to the major crime and can show up in statements.  In other cases, substance abuse often multiplies crimes, making it more difficult, not to spot guilt, but to assign it.  

For example, in a missing and murdered child case, the father was deceptive.  Yet, he was not the killer; a sex offender was.  His deception was indicated while his daughter was missing, but it later proved to be deception about negligence due to substance abuse, allowing for his daughter to wander off.  

Deception and Guilt in Language 

We (a team of analysts) strongly discussed the deception within the language of Davey Blackburn.  Although he is likely hiding SSA, there was too much deception related to the timing of the crime, suggesting knowledge that his home would be hit by criminals, with the necessity of the almost 40 minute delay.  

Regarding the case,  I have yet to find a single professional investigator who disagrees.  

With SSA, there can be lots of varying topics of deception, from his marriage, to the teaching of Christianity, right down to his public image, that he is acutely aware of and actively refining.  

Since his wife was killed "for the church", he has sought to fulfill this "mandate from god" (he is not delusional, hearing voices; he is deceptive).  This is where he was naked in the shower hearing from the Almighty what a great and historical figure, he, Davey, is, and what great accomplishments await him.  He has been shamelessly promoting and exploiting her death since, but there is something more:

Perhaps Amanda's restraints upon his "success" were more than what he indicated when he told us  that she stood in the way of success because she wanted his time and attention.  

Sociopathic and narcissistic behavior seek justification.  We see this in analysis with subtle insult or blame shifting to the victim. 

From Blackburn's own wording:   3 intruders did not murder Amanda, Amanda "gave her life" in "martyrdom" so that "the church would have life." 

Recall in his "shower revelation" (criminal psychology and statement analysis recognize the need for cleansing) where he then set the stage for shifting responsibility to others, should he not become the historic figure the Almighty 'told' him he would be.  He targeted the church audience, and his father-in-law, of whom he insulted for his work produced "dead" Christians.  If he failed, he would have others to blame; not himself.  The lack of personal responsibility is a strong trait of liars.  

Amanda As Hinderance To Success 

Although Amanda, who in video appearances presented as a lovely and authentic believer in Christianity, allowed for a ready-to-use excuse, she was, he told us pre crime, a hinderance to his self defined success. 

His subtle contempt for her was evident in the videos by his language, demeanor and even in his body language.  He interrupted her, corrected her and even his comparative language "of success", using his own rebuttal, show an obsession with numbers.  Scripture teaches joy in heaven from one sinner repenting, "but", as he used in public video, his numerical goal was not met.  This was a video that produced the pronoun "I" in his language  a dramatic change from the incessant use of "we" in his televised appearances.  This nullifies the claim of mental illness.  

With the new videos and blog postings we see a more defined effeminate appearance and deeper choreographic work in the videos as he 'out Elmer Gantrys' Burt Lancaster's character.  The appearance of the narcissistic showman has increased and the self promotion to "help" the Almighty has become emboldened.  

He told us, in his own language, that he was obsessed with numbers for his success.

He told us that his wife did not meet his sexual needs and that she hindered him because she wanted him around, keeping him from his self defined success. 

He openly complained about her in a most humiliating and demeaning manner, while he expressed an acute need to make certain his public knew he was heterosexual.   

He video taped himself waving a gun. Shortly after, his wife died from the use of a gun.  

He followed a strict daily and weekly workout routine, all but once, the very day  his home was entered and his wife killed. 

He told the public that she was not murdered, but "martyred" and that "she died so the church could live", supplanting the redemptive work of Christ. 

That he publicly told that Amanda could not meet his sexual needs and that he was directed by the Almighty, while naked in the shower receiving information on his own greatness, combines sexuality with the need to be cleansed from guilt.  

We now take these things, along with consistent deceptive indicators in the public statements and we look at the post-crime behavior. 

This has raised a question that needs an answer: 

Has the restraining influence of Amanda now been removed from Blackburn?

Is it more than just in the element of her taking up his time?

As he continues to write, he continues to reveal more information about himself, and about the crime.  

It would be interesting to learn:  What does the victim's family think of the 'new' Davey?

Is her family continuing to read what he says about their daughter? Had a man publicly announced that his wife does not meet his sexual needs would trigger a very strong response from most families, in particular, fathers.  Yet, Blackburn publicly subjugated his father in law with insult.  

Is her family watching the videos showing a visible and audible transformation now that their daughter is out of the way?

Blackburn's  language indicates a need to justify her death.  It is not just used for commercial advantage.   

As he continues this path, I expect an increase, even in spite of various pauses or warnings that cause a pause.  As numbers grow, he will alienate Christians who will no longer be able to dismiss his claim of Amanda being the substitutionary death for the Church to as just the wild emotional swing of a man deep in bereavement.  This means he will have to continue to change the Biblical message into the 'gospel of davey'; that is, to tailor the message to fulfill the messenger's insatiable appetite for fame, power, control and fortune.  

Christians, too, see the insult to Christ in his words, even now, as he continues his promotion.  Early on, some felt the need to defend him but as he continues to assault Christianity, commenting has shown a change.  Although many did not consider him Christian based upon his teaching, others may have excused the teaching as errant, while maintaining that he still may believe in the basic teachings of Christianity.  

Will he continue this pattern?  Will the outfits, designed sets, choreography, polishing,  and showmanship continue?  Was this what his mentor intended to communicate when he said that "something was wrong" with Blackburn and it was something a woman "could fix"?  

Beneath the deception is the unknown, which, over time, makes its way to the surface, like the "Tell Tale Heart."  

As numerical success increases, the successful  alienate their own selves and insulate themselves from criticism and will endlessly excuse their own behavior, even as his mentor has shown recently.  Even the "mea culpas" not only minimize, but actually shift blame to others.  Other times, the mea culpa is so 'over the top' that the need to persuade becomes transparent, even without analysis.   

Post criminal behavior and post crime behavior are both noteworthy.  


Was Amanda a restraint upon Blackburn, protecting him from himself, and now removed?  

Was the protection from self only due to sexuality and time constraints, or is it much deeper?

Time will tell.  

Amanda Blackburn was not a "martyr", nor did she "give her life" for any cause. 

Amanda Blackburn was a victim of a sexual homicide

It was her husband who stated that he received communication from God, while naked, in the shower, being cleansed.  




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Anonymous said...

Sure...... he cleaned a blood-covered baby with flushable wipes.

Now you're being even more ridiculous. I didn't think that was possible.

You claim Weston had blood in his hair. You think flushable wipes would clean blood out of hair?

Why not admit you're being ridiculous instead of digging your heals in, ffs.

Nic said...



I think DB did go inside when his neighbour got home to create an alibi (he was not the "last person" to see his wife alive).

According to the APC (911 time stamp between DB and his neighbour) he had ample time to wash Weston. They didn't know there was a delay in calling 911, nobody did actually, until the information was listed in the APC and people could see the delay.

No need to "hide" Weston got in the blood, if indeed he did sit in it and play in it. It would be unexpected if he didn't wash him. Unless the crime scene photos are released we don't know if there is evidence of Weston being out of his room and beside Amanda. IMO, it's a detail LE would not have publicly discussed. It would have been too sensational.

jmo

Nic said...

Rosy,

Really interesting thought about DB writing a "made for TV" movie.

Trudy said...

Bingo 3. You have to watch it all! I'll be very interested to hear what you think about all the gun shot references. Can you imagine joking about someone getting capped in a car park before revealing how your wife was shot in her own home. I promise you, your jaw will drop. It's hard to watch but I hope everyone here does. It's unbelievable.

On a lighter note, the goodness and mercy cakes following Crazy Davey around the stage while he is tucked behind a diminutive female Jesus from the audience is hilarious!

Bobcat said...

One small entry wound, hair, and a pulled up shirt.

vs.

Busted lip, missing tooth, scratches ... "severe head trauma"

He lied. This is a silly conversation.

Anonymous said...

Almost as "silly" as your sickening bloody baby fantasies, bobcat.

Anon "I" said...

I bet the "chick's" congregation wasn't quite as primed for manipulation as Resonate would have been. They, likely, have serious questions and who knows what they might uncover.

Jasmine, I hope you slept well.

Bobcat, Thanks for your transcriptions. It's much easier for me to read quickly than to listen to whats-his-face.

Nic, I'm sorry to hear about your boss.

Crime scene photos would reveal a lot. My kids were preemies, but by 18 months they were definitely trying to ninja*.

*Ninja-(verb)-My internal dictionary indicates "to act in a manner so as to replicate Houdini" :)





Rosy said...

Trudy it's on Facebook under his account.
https://www.facebook.com/nobleperry/posts/1144113619010461

Anonymous said...

"Bobcat said...
Anon @ 7:31,

"If Weston got into the blood, there would be little bloody handprints and footprints everywhere,"

Only if he walked around after stepping in it and touched things. DB says his worst nightmare was "sitting" there. And, only if DB didn't clean said prints up.

"and the police would know Davey bathed Weston before calling 911 while Amanda lay dying."

How?
and
Maybe they do.
or
Maybe he used flushable wipes.

October 27, 2016 at 7:42 PM"



You're suggesting that Weston was covered in blood and had it in his hair, ears, diaper but managed to not get a single handprint or footprint anywhere? Really?

You're suggesting that in five minutes Davey managed to completely clean a blood-covered baby AND clean up bloody prints enough to hide it from the cops? That seems logical to you? Geez.

That sounds like it's coming from a sick mind who is HOPING Weston was covered in his mother's blood. Sick, sick, sick.

Me2l said...

"And this crap is coming from the same people who insist Davey went inside because he saw his neighbor come home. Now you're claiming he had enough time between the neighbor's arrival home and his 911 call to bathe a baby covered head-to-toe in blood. Give me a FLIPPIN break."



After a space (or "season") of rather sensible discussion, the comments are, again, spiraling out of control, with no theory too outlandish.
It is minimizing and discrediting to proper analysis.

It seems as if most readers lose interest at this point.

Speculation is one thing....it can be beneficial (as Peter said), but wild, unrealistic fantasy is something else altogether and goes nowhere.

Rosy said...

***Trudy, sorry, I guess I posted that belatedly in response to your earlier query re where is Perry N's lasted posted.

Sirensong said...

I can't listen to the whole thing, but in CD'S sermon at Cedar Creek, he is talking about people can't compare pain. He says it doesn't matter if it's a divorce, an abortion, then mentions a couple of things. It's odd that is the first 2 things he thinks of. He keeps slipping in the word divorce. I think these two words, divorce and abortion, are very sensitive to him. I also noticed he seems to follow in PN's preaching style, with jokes about things of a sexual nature, turning Weston asking for milk, into a dumb joke. HE uses his hands in a milking motion, then opening his hand a bit, making it looks like a boob grab. He is not funny, nor are his details one year later, of what he imagines about the day of his wife's murder. Yes, now he is angry, thinking of suicide and yelling at God. When did he have the time to indulge in these emotions? He sure didn't, look how busy he has been. He never tells us about anger when he first started telling the story. He is doing a lot of explaining about why he's been acting the way he has. And it comes off as too little, too late, and very insincere. He did say he took Weston with him, out of the house, so I was wrong about him leaving Weston at the house. Come on Indy! Stand up and ask your police department to tell you why they overlooked so many details. Full justice for Amanda, and proof that this guy won't hurt Weston while he is using him for "cute" stories meant to divert everyone's attention!

Anonymous said...

Davey is chestfeeding...that's why he milked his own breast...he spoke about that in Love Song 7 Man Boobs and God.

Trudy said...

Rosy, thanks. Yes I've seen it. dnd posted the link to it. Thank you dnd.

Trudy said...

Sirensong, yes the milk/boob grab gesture was crass and disgusting. He also talks about kicking satan in the nuts, again. Twice.

Please look at/listen to the whole Red Cedar performance. Wild unrealistic fantasy is not the prerogative of posters, here. The wildest and most unrealistic fantasies come straight from the deranged lips of crazy Davey, himself, as he lumbers around like a bipolar bear, attempting to justify Amanda's murder. (And those goodness and mercy cakes.....that follow him in the valley of the shadow of death - Lawd!)

Anonymous said...

What is the link to it? I may watch it after I do the dishes.

Bobcat said...

The milk sign language/boob squeeze routine is part of DB's standard playlist now.
Kick in the nuts has made a reappearance? Keeping it classy.

Too bad he can't milk the 11/10/2015 AM story without random new leakage every time.

I WISH Weston slept through everything that morning. It's DB's RECORDED words, leakage, repetition, NTP, and transcription that make me suspect otherwise.

Nic said...

What is NTP? I tried googling it and it either comes up "network time protocol" or "need to pee". 0.o

Anonymous said...

Need To Persuade

Sirensong said...

Here you go anon 9:48.

http://subsplash.com/redcedar/v/8c501c0

Okay, Trudy. It's hard to listen to for very long! Lol! And you are welcome for the link. I am end, but got bored by that name, so I picked a new one 😉



Anonymous said...

OK, thanks for the link...I found it and got it started...that is so messed up with how it starts with cheesy pictures of DAvey and Weston on pieces of shattered glass?!? I will watch it.

Anonymous said...

Whoah...he looks super gay now!!! Really loading on the fake tan too wow!

Anonymous said...

That's concerning about the lights and door going into room with toys. Why didn't he turn the light on? Why did he just bring him into the dark room particularly since Weston was scared of the dark?

Anonymous said...

It needs to be noted that he said that grief is like "someone shoving your head under water and then letting you up for a bit and then shoving you back under". It's not a good description of grief and seems very violent.

Anonymous said...

He says "when you give the keys" (to God) but possible leakage. Did he give the keys to the thugs?

Anonymous said...

OK, I will watch the rest tomorrow BUT it needs to be noted that he links "God making you dangerous" with "dining in the presence of your enemies" (God prepareth a table before me in the presence of my enemies)...this is a very odd interpretation, but skipping over that fact:

Davey is creating imagery of someone becoming "dangerous" while "dining at a table" with "an enemy" (he probably perceived Amanda as "the enemy"...I really hate to harp on this but this brings the timeline back to "dinner at Grandma's" or at least to the time afterwards when they got home from dinner at "Grandma's".

Anonymous said...

NTP = need to persuade. Is there an abbreviation for "need to suppress" ?

More accurately, "extreme need to suppress" ?

The anonymous poster at 6:56pm is sensitive about what was said and/or not said in his boy's 911 call. Would there another reason to dissuade discussion about it instead of just ignoring repetitive posts about it ?

There are many individuals who are new to Davey's carousel of lies and new to this board - some who are seeing the discrepancies in Davey's stories for the first time. More than one poster on various boards has contacted the Marion County Prosecutor's Office and requested access to the 911 call. When it is revealed, it is either going to support Davey’s version of what happened - or refute it - but which version?

Similar to what Hans Gruber said in Die Hard after his henchmen shot Ellis thinking that John McClain cared about him and would give up the detonators ("sooner or later, I might get to someone you *do* care about) - - sooner or later one of these posts about the 911 call will be seen by someone who will actually do something. It might be one of Amanda’s family members or a detective who knows there is more to the story - but until then, there is no reason whatsoever for anyone to fear or discourage discussion here about the 911 call if its contents don’t implicate Davey in some way.


From Wikipedia about Scott Peterson -

Modesto police did not immediately identify Scott Peterson as a suspect, largely because Laci's family and friends maintained their faith in his innocence during the month following her disappearance.[5] Eventually, police grew more suspicious due to inconsistencies in his story.

Members of the jury stated in later press appearances that they felt that Peterson's demeanor – specifically, his lack of emotion and the phone calls to Frey in the days following Laci's disappearance – indicated he was guilty. They based their verdict on "hundreds of small 'puzzle pieces' of circumstantial evidence that came out during the trial, from the location of Laci's body to the myriad of lies her husband told after her disappearance." They also decided on the death penalty because they felt he betrayed his responsibility to protect his wife and son.

Substitute “Amanda’s death” for “Laci’s disappearance”, substitute “unborn daughter” for “son”. Police grew more suspicious due to inconsistencies in Scott Peterson's story. Davey’s stories in his appearances have been totally inconsistent with what he told the detective at the hospital that morning. It’s just a matter of time until things start to unravel more than they already have.

Anonymous said...

Before anyone says it, no, Davey is not the one who is/ones who are on trial (yet).

But if anyone truly thinks he was cleared of having any knowledge or involvement in Amanda's execution in ~24 hours just because he was seen on video at LA Fitness and his friend tweeted about their conversation - logic and common sense and all the TV and movies ever filmed says there's no way all the stones were turned over that fast.

Me2l said...

October 27, 2016 at 9:05 PM
Trudy said...
Sirensong, yes the milk/boob grab gesture was crass and disgusting. He also talks about kicking satan in the nuts, again. Twice.

Please look at/listen to the whole Red Cedar performance. Wild unrealistic fantasy is not the prerogative of posters, here. The wildest and most unrealistic fantasies come straight from the deranged lips of crazy Davey, himself, as he lumbers around like a bipolar bear, attempting to justify Amanda's murder. (And those goodness and mercy cakes.....that follow him in the valley of the shadow of death - Lawd!)
October 27, 2016 at 9:33 PM



I would disagree with the bolded statement, in that it is the interpretations of commenters over the course of these blog discussions that often cross the line into fantasy....night vision glasses, Amber (and other family members) being involved in Amanda's murder, the marinara sauce interpretive writing, and so many more that bear little resemblance to reality OR Davey's narcissistic ramblings. Those things come strictly from the active imaginations of the commenters.

Me2l said...

Re the comment about Davey's self reported physiological symptoms he associated with PTSD: it has been scientifically and medically confirmed that the sympathetic nervous symptom does react during a PTSD event. Dilated pupils are a part of this, the effects of which can be "felt" by the PTSD sufferer, in the sensation of light-induced vision changes. Other physical symptoms associated with PTSD include musculoskeletal, such as muscle-tightening, joint pain, as well as stomach upsets. To assume some of these reactions are solely the result of sexual response is another case of faulty analysis (and worse, but never mind).

Rosy said...

Anonymous said...
October 28, 2016 at 1:26 AM

....BUT it needs to be noted that he links "God making you dangerous" with "dining in the presence of your enemies" (God prepareth a table before me in the presence of my enemies)...this is a very odd interpretation, but skipping over that fact:

Davey is creating imagery of someone becoming "dangerous" while "dining at a table" with "an enemy" (he probably perceived Amanda as "the enemy"...I really hate to harp on this but this brings the timeline back to "dinner at Grandma's" or at least to the time afterwards when they got home from dinner at "Grandma's".

****
Not odd if you know something of the Bible as a text DB draws on in his sermons and in his personal vision of his own life or fate. His reference is to Psalm 23, traditionally recited in time of trouble, verse 5:

"You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies."

Statement Analysis Blog said...

Trudy said...
Sirensong, yes the milk/boob grab gesture was crass and disgusting. He also talks about kicking satan in the nuts, again. Twice.

Please look at/listen to the whole Red Cedar performance. Wild unrealistic fantasy is not the prerogative of posters, here. The wildest and most unrealistic fantasies come straight from the deranged lips of crazy Davey, himself, as he lumbers around like a bipolar bear, attempting to justify Amanda's murder. (And those goodness and mercy cakes.....that follow him in the valley of the shadow of death - Lawd!)
October 27, 2016 at 9:33 PM


?

Link?

Peter

Anonymous said...

Again, I still haven't finished the Red Cedar sermon. I had to stop at the capping off the head of the church greeter. Oh my! CD latest two sermons are sounding just like the violent sermons he preached right before Amanda was executed. He is scary sounding right now. It is alarming.

Me2l said...


"Anonymous said...
Before anyone says it, no, Davey is not the one who is/ones who are on trial (yet).

But if anyone truly thinks he was cleared of having any knowledge or involvement in Amanda's execution in ~24 hours just because he was seen on video at LA Fitness and his friend tweeted about their conversation - logic and common sense and all the TV and movies ever filmed says there's no way all the stones were turned over that fast.

October 28, 2016 at 1:34 AM"



That may well be, and probably is, true, but we must assume that, currently, nothing conclusive has been discovered to link Davey. If investigators had enough evidence to charge and arrest Davey Blackburn in the murder of his wife, it would be morally and legally wrong, not to mention dangerous and a risk to the public to allow him to walk around free.....free to murder again.

That's not how it works, so if DB is being investigated, investigators have not, as yet, linked him, although, there may be plenty of suspicion. All the more reason to know they can't connect him....yet.

Bobcat said...

Peter - Here is the Red Cedar Sermon link:

http://subsplash.com/redcedar/v/8c501c0

And a partial transcription (to start)
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/10/10232016-red-cedar-church.html?m=1

lynda said...

I would still like to know, and if anyone knows or has read this answer, please tell me!

When Taylor came out to the car and thru the ATM cards at the other 2..WHERE was Amanda?? Is it safe to assume that she was unconscious at this time? If she wasn't unconscious, wouldn't she have been screaming her head off, locking the doors so he couldn't get back in, running to the neighbors? We have been given no indication that she was restrained, tho duct tape was found at the scene, there's been no statement saying it was found on HER, or that she had been restrained in any way.

So the timeline from them splitting up and leaving Taylor alone at the house..

Approx. 6:30 AM...Taylor is left alone at house

6:36AM - Failed ATM transaction at 6881 Michigan Ave. which is 4.4 miles from Blackburn home.

6:45 AM - Neighbor hears 2 gunshots and a woman screaming. (THEY HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY MONEY YET FROM ATM!

6:54 AM = Got money from ATM. There are no reports of other ATM's tried. So there is a lag of 18 whole minutes here, for the 2 to travel 3.7 miles from the first ATM to the second. WTH were they doing for 18 minutes? That is a LONG TIME.

7:05 -7:11AM - Taylor is seen walking outside in neighborhood and getting picked up.

This has always been one of the "finger pointing clues" towards Davey. These jokers had NO sense of urgency AT ALL. They leave the house and Taylor is still roaming around 45 minutes later! He shoots her at 6:45 (accd to neighbor) and is STILL there 25 minutes later! There are people awake and moving in the neighborhood..they just strolled in the FRONT DOOR (when every other burglary that morning they broke in thru the BACK) HUNG OUT for at least 45 minutes, then strolled out! They knew Davey was gone because Bull told them. They knew they would be uninterrupted.


Also, in the PC doc, Davey stated that Amanda's wallet and credit cards were on the floor and her purse was on the counter. When LE specialist was documenting scene, the wallet had jumped off the floor and was now on the counter with the purse. WHO MOVED IT or did Davey lie about it being on the floor?

All the above, coupled with the ever changing story of Crazy Davey...and LE isn't looking at Davey AT ALL? Bull is still walking around a free man and seemingly not worried about anything..Davey having the house professionally cleaned within 48 hours and setting up a gofundme acct and this is all just the tip of the iceburg. I mean, c'mon..if LE doesn't see it they should be ashamed. I find it hard to believe, when faced with the timeline and facts, AManda's family doesn't appear to see it either.

lynda said...

From Red Cedar Church Sermon

Davey said,

"I um, spent some time in the word, and then I left for the gym, and uh, was gonna come back and take a shower. About an hour and a half in the gym, came back, and I, walked through my front door and walked into, uh my greatest fear, my greatest nightmare, all in one. And I found, my beautiful wife Amanda Grace, face down, on our living room floor, in a pool of blood."

____________________________

Davey had NOW extended his time "at the gym" to 90 minutes! It has already been established that he actually spent about 40-45 min. there, correct??
Davey now telling people that an hour and a half was spent in the gym and then he "finds" Amanda, has completely eliminated him sitting out in the driveway for 40 minutes while Amanda is dying! He completely has eliminated that from his narrative!!

Why? Because Davey is learning. It doesn't look good or play well that he did that so I won't include it anymore!
________________________________

Davey says,

"Amanda was s-, still, um, co-. She was unconscious but she was still breathing and, she was labored in her breaths and so, um, I, I got over to her and, and I was just like
_____________________________
I know we can't say it for him but I think it's a good bet that what Davey was going to say was that Amanda was CONSCIOUS and breathing. He qualifies breathing with STILL, as in, damn! she's still breathing! Whereas he would be expected to say, "She was breathing, Thank God she was breathing, I saw that she was breathing, etc.


Is there video to the Red Cedar Church sermon? I couldn't listen to anymore as soon as Davey made a point to say that the Pastor changed his diapers. He just HAD to give the visual..yuck.


Me2l said...

"All the above, coupled with the ever changing story of Crazy Davey...and LE isn't looking at Davey AT ALL? Bull is still walking around a free man and seemingly not worried about anything..Davey having the house professionally cleaned within 48 hours and setting up a gofundme acct and this is all just the tip of the iceburg. I mean, c'mon..if LE doesn't see it they should be ashamed. I find it hard to believe, when faced with the timeline and facts, AManda's family doesn't appear to see it either.
October 28"




Who has said LE isn't looking at Davey at all? Certainly, no one here.

In fact, do you know who has said it? People who know DB, family, friends, LE. So.......

I have been watching the Red Cedar tape, and although, there is much of the same rambling, self-centered, pretentiousness from Davey, the thing that is noticeable .... once again ..... is that, here is a person who has known Davey well all his life and describes him in glowing terms. It's similar among countless numbers of people--those who know him don't see him as those who know him only from watching his sermons or reading his statements (or, so it seems). It's as if he is two separate people.

Someone made a claim that "millions" of people suspect him. I'm not so sure about that. When we consume and avail ourselves only to opinions/information in the periphery of our circle, we aren't getting THE truth, we are getting OUR truth. We reaffirm on a consistent basis--in the Blackburn instance, not only those of us who see DB as guilty, but those who see him as not involved. There is much self-fulfilling.

The analysis (by someone capable -Peter - and not by those who are so inept as to suggest I'm Davey...or Perry....or Meg...whomever) shows that Davey is becoming progressively unhinged in his statements, possibly moving closer to irreversible incrimination of himself. It would seem so.....why do those who know him and even LE not see this?

This case bears little resemblance in that regard to any other high profile case in the past many years.....certainly not to Scott Peterson, Drew Peterson, the Ramseys, Knox, etc.



Anon "I" said...

Somewhere, he should have been told by 911 to turn her on her side or upwards so she could breathe. He should have seen her face to ensure her nose and mouth were not being covered up in the pool of blood. 911's first medical priority would be airway patentcy.

I've started watching the Redwood video. He is losing his ever-loving mind! This audience's response seems like less than he is used to basking in. Plus, I could tell you the correct amount of change if he had any in his tight pants pockets. Could they GET any tighter?

Bobcat said...

"This audience's response seems like less than he is used to basking in."

----------------

OT

It bothered me personally to hear that he had made his way to Rice Lake, Wisconsin, as a chunk of my ancestors settled Barron County over a century ago.

Thankfully they are all diehard Catholics.

Me2l said...


"I um, spent some time in the word, and then I left for the gym, and uh, was gonna come back and take a shower. About an hour and a half in the gym, came back, and I, walked through my front door and walked into, uh my greatest fear, my greatest nightmare, all in one. And I found, my beautiful wife Amanda Grace, face down, on our living room floor, in a pool of blood."

____________________________

Davey had NOW extended his time "at the gym" to 90 minutes! It has already been established that he actually spent about 40-45 min. there, correct??
Davey now telling people that an hour and a half was spent in the gym and then he "finds" Amanda, has completely eliminated him sitting out in the driveway for 40 minutes while Amanda is dying! He completely has eliminated that from his narrative!!





DB originally said he left his home at 6:00, left the gym at 7:10 to return home, and pulled into his driveway at 7:30.

Strange one, that Davey Blackburn.

lynda said...

I am only finding a recording of the RedCreek sermon..does someone have link to vid?

Me2l said...

http://subsplash.com/redcedar/v/8c501c0

Nic said...
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Nic said...

Me2I said:
DB originally said he left his home at 6:00, left the gym at 7:10 to return home, and pulled into his driveway at 7:30.

Strange one, that Davey Blackburn.



Street surveillance captured him leaving at 6:11. According to Google maps, it's an appx 20 minute drive to the gym. He was at the gym for 40 minutes, after he 'jumped' on the phone at 7:10 he drove home.

There is a difference to being out (of the house) for 90 minutes and being *at* the gym for 90 minutes. He has changed his story. I will guess because it sets people's hinky meter off when they think of him sitting in the car in his driveway for 40 minutes in supposedly damp clothes from working out, literally right before the breaking dawn in mid-november. You can google the weather for that day. It was cold.

It's so much "neater" to just say at the gym for 90 minutes than having to excuse sitting in the driveway in the cold, on the phone, watching the sun come up while your wife is bleeding out in your living room.

Interesting too is I wonder if any lights were on in the house. According to what DB reported about Amanda's routine, she would have been up, so was the house dark? I would ask him that because if he didn't know what was on the other side of the door, sitting in front of a dark house for 40 minutes should have made him go "hmmm".

jmo

Nic said...

*on the living room floor

Me2l said...

Interesting too is I wonder if any lights were on in the house. According to what DB reported about Amanda's routine, she would have been up, so was the house dark? I would ask him that because if he didn't know what was on the other side of the door, sitting in front of a dark house for 40 minutes should have made him go "hmmm"




Another way of looking at that aspect, alone, could be that, if it was dark in the house, DB might think they were still sleeping and wouldn't want to wake them by talking on the phone.

I know. I know.

Of course, would the thugs be in a totally dark house doing everything they were doing? There must have been some light.

Bobcat said...

"Of course, would the thugs be in a totally dark house doing everything they were doing? There must have been some light."

Or night vision lenses.

"Lens" has been leaking from DB for months now. Especially when talking about his time "in the word" that morning.

Bobcat said...

Peter,

Which comments? The Weston may have been up speculation, or the most recent Red Cedar sermon?

Sirensong said...

I always wonder about his saying "I walked into my greatest fear, my greatest nightmare". It presumes he had thought this might happen to Amanda? That she would be a victim of violence, murder? Or did he just think this would be the best way to discribe his surprise or shock. I find it unusual especially since he says it so often.

Me2l said...


Sirensong said...
I always wonder about his saying "I walked into my greatest fear, my greatest nightmare". It presumes he had thought this might happen to Amanda? That she would be a victim of violence, murder? Or did he just think this would be the best way to discribe his surprise or shock. I find it unusual especially since he says it so often.
October 28, 2016 at 12:01 PM






DB seems very OCD and controlling of Amanda. His Find IPhone app story is just one of many illustrations of his demanding nature. His attitude about "losing" Amanda through divorce was a huge problem for him. It seems as if he was quite insecure in that relationship
and thought about "losing" her, apparently in any number of ways.

Anonymous said...

Nic's quote of DB:
"Almost as if I were having an out of body experience, my mind began imagining what everything looked like the morning I found her..."
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How do you "imagine" a supposed reality?

Almost
as if
out-of-body

Can he possibly cram in any more minimizers and distancers in his imagined story?

Bobcat, excellent insight, but DB's fixation on lenses reads more like he feels his actions before, during and after Amanda's murder are being watched and analyzed.

This also fits with his increasingly bizarre behavior and repeatedly re-telling (and fine-tuning) his story.

Alexandra said...

I think Peter wants the Red Cedar video transcribed, and I think he's write to be concerned.

I still need to watch the last half of it, but when I woke up this morning, having processessed the things Davey said....The one thing that I think is extremely concerning is the mention of "lights", "door", "dark room with toys", his refusal to turn lights on although Weston was frightened to go in dark room to see his toys, Davey leading him in there by holding his hand and how much "trust" it created between him and Weston...the imagery is nothing short of alarming.

Anonymous said...

Foolsfeedonfolly said:

"He has not been and is not Mega-church material."

~~and

"I caught that about speaking to the 4,000 also. What a cad. Important Davey on his way to speak to 4,000 ..."
~~~~~~

Nordstrom opened its first out-of-state department store in California, late 1970s, without benefit of the family name and generations of success it had built in Seattle.

Grand opening day, the nervous rookie manager newly transpanted from Seattle watched as all of the doors opened and absolutely nobody came in, many even walking past inside the mall barely glancing over.

She had all of the employees grab their coats and purses, wander out the back and go out to their cars.

All at once, the drove of nicely dressed people came pouring in from the parking lot, walked through the mall and into Nordstrom.

They put away their gear unnoticed and took their places in their departments, helping the huge, curious crowds following behind scattering throughout the store finding stuff to buy.

DB and Perry Noble are desperately trying this strategy, with considerably less success.

Their problem is, there isn't anything of value on the shelves so nobody is spending any money.

Alexandra said...

Also the water imagery...he described grief like someone shoving your head underwater and letting you up for a second then shoving your head back under.....
I am very concerned for Weston.
Even Davey leading him into the dark toy room while he was so scared of the dark...the imagery is alarming and his professed actions indicate he is attempting to create a Stockholm Syndrome bond with Weston ie. trying to terrify Weston so he will cling to Davey for comfort/"safety".....this is very alarming on many levels.

lynda said...

Me said..

"Street surveillance captured him leaving at 6:11. According to Google maps, it's an appx 20 minute drive to the gym. He was at the gym for 40 minutes, after he 'jumped' on the phone at 7:10 he drove home.

There is a difference to being out (of the house) for 90 minutes and being *at* the gym for 90 minutes. He has changed his story. I will guess because it sets people's hinky meter off when they think of him sitting in the car in his driveway for 40 minutes in supposedly damp clothes from working out, literally right before the breaking dawn in mid-november. You can google the weather for that day. It was cold.

It's so much "neater" to just say at the gym for 90 minutes than having to excuse sitting in the driveway in the cold, on the phone, watching the sun come up while your wife is bleeding out in your living room"

_______________________________

EXACTLY what I said! Except you said it much more eloquently because I was to busy sputtering with outrage that CRAZY has just CUT THAT OUT of his commentary now. I pray that this is a big WTF to LE and her family. Plus, I'm calling BS on the 20 min drive to the gym. It was 6AM..traffic would've been minimal and you would get there faster I believe.

Anon "I" said...

Foodiefoodnerd- Wow, that is an amazing story about following the crowd. Maybe some of these sheep headed to mega-churches might take a note from the following the crowd paradigm. If everyone is going your way, you might want to step back and see why!



Matthew 7:13-14 KJV

13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

lynda said...

Davey is speed talking explaining that for every action there is a reaction meaning that for every "good" action there is an equal "bad" to prevent the good from taking hold. To counteract the "good". and then says this,

MY action against, and Amanda's action against the enemy was to move to Indianapolis and start a church. And then, the enemy decides to bring back the supposing reaction.To discourage us, to TAKE US OUT. To cause ME to grow bitter.

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He has now reduced Amanda's brutal murder as a HIT against HIM, to discourage HIM, to make HIM bitter. Well..the devil didn't take "US" out, did he Davey? Amanda is the only one that got "taken out."

He uses the word "dangerously" so much that I expected him to break out in a rendition of the part in Jesus Christ Superstar where they sing..."HE..IS..DANGEROUS..

Davey also has now made it a FACT that "THEY" were going to name the baby Evie Grace, tho in the beginning, there was no middle name chosen, nor was the sex of the baby known. Now tho, he states as truth that both he and Amanda had decided on GRACE as the middle name..because? It plays well.

Davey says,

"All of our lives could be completely altered in an instant. With one phone call."

______________________________

WHY with one PHONE CALL? Why did he add that info? The statement was complete with "completely altered in an instant". He ADDS "with one phone call." Does this make a phone call sensitive to him?
Did he make ONE PHONE CALL and set up this chain of events?
Did he make ONE PHONE CALL and prevent the EMTS from coming FIRST?
Did he make ONE PHONE CALL to set his alibi up?

This is a disturbing statement to me. WHY add to a complete statement "WITH ONE PHONE CALL"

Anyone?

lynda said...

Davey says..

"God, if you're good, how could you let this happen to ME?

DAVEY! If you read here..it DID NOT happen to YOU! It happened to Amanda, not YOU. She was murdered, gone, dead. YOU ARE NOT.

Okay, I have to stop watching this tape now..whew!

Me2l said...

Never link him? Not "never." They just haven't yet.

Why isn't it as clear to them as it appears to be to lay persons commenting on the case?

Me2l said...


Like Hillary, how many hundreds of millions is enough?? It never is. There is always more power, money money, more control, even at 70, with health coming apart at the seams, we humans destroy ourselves.




There is no good party.....no good "guy". All bad. All corrupt. We have descended so far as the years have passed.

http://bients.com/wikileaks-bombshell-no-us-election/



Sorry. Pretty much OT.

Anon "I" said...

Contentment is a precious thing.

I'm back to listening. He says he didn't go to the Bible for a while after Amanda died because he was mad at God. Has he contradicted his earlier comments with this statement?

lynda said...

Anonymous Anon "I" said...
Contentment is a precious thing.

I'm back to listening. He says he didn't go to the Bible for a while after Amanda died because he was mad at God. Has he contradicted his earlier comments with this statement?

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Until recently, Davey has always maintained he has not "turned" away from God...he is rushing towards the roar or something like that. Hell, he was on all the talk shows just a few days after her death espousing how this was great for a revival...blah, blah, blah.
YES..to me, this statement about being away from the Bible and God because he was mad is in direct contradiction to his earlier statements. Why? Because somebody finally said to him that it is "normal and expected" to be mad at God. How is an inspirational book going to become a best seller unless he got "mad" and turned away but then thru faith, perserverance, etc. he realized that God is going to get him thru?
Being all hunky dory since day 1 that your wife and unborn child were slaughtered in your home does NOT sell books.

Anonymous said...

There's a major difference for the three in custody if they are found guilty/convicted of assaulting and executing Amanda Blackburn - compared to (only) being convicted of walking into the Blackburn house and taking and then using an ATM card.

Taylor was "messed up" and can't remember everything - the confidential informant places him at the scene, says he shot Amanda so she wouldn't scratch him because she was charging at him.

Davey did conveniently feed us this tidbit about Larry Taylor, "who's the guy who actually pulled the trigger on Amanda" in this appearance which was transcribed on Bobcat's blog - link here

https://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/08/7172016-forindy-week-two-no-pain-is-in.html


I am not an attorney but the confidential informant is hearsay, right? No witnesses. Especially with the timeline given by Davey, the discrepancies his stories throughout the past year - It would not be difficult for a defense attorney to create reasonable doubt as to who actually killed Amanda. Who did actually pull the trigger. And that would open up the question of "if not Taylor or anyone else who's in custody, then who did?"


I wonder what part of the story will change next - now that Davey's roughly forty minutes (at the most) in the gym has turned into an hour and a half, with the driveway phone call completely excised from the narrative now.

lynda said...

Peter..One can hope.

I used to do medical transcription working my way thru school and I find it difficult to transcribe Davey. His manic style of speed talking, running words together, stopping, starting, stuttering, trains of thought careening in different directions..it is quite a task.
This sermon at Red Cedar is off the hook as far as speed goes.

Alexandra said...

Could Bobcat transcribe the part of sermon regarding Davey bringing Weston into the dark room full of toys while they were at "someone's" (he seems to deliberately not mention who) and post it here. I would feel better if Peter could at least be able to take a look at it, as I am deeply concerned. Also, it would be helpful for all of us to see it in writing. Thank you (if you have time!)

Nic said...

lynda,

DB referenced the stages of grief in one sermon. That piqued my interest. Low and behold, now he's "angry".

I think he's been reading about "grief" and has discovered how he is *suppose* to be acting/feeling. These are the stages:

denial
anger
bargaining
depression
acceptance

DB started at acceptance and sat there for three months before he went onto the land of the living (large). He's having to back pedal because his editor probably pointed out after reading his manuscript, there was too much "missing". So now he has to go back and rewrite his story/change his talks and insert the new narrative. Essentially he's bouncing his new material off of whatever congregation he's in front of.

jmo

lynda said...

Davey is talking about Paul being Saul and how he hated Christians and how Saul decided he was going to stop the movement of Christianity by killing Christians.

"That's how jacked up this dude was. Now, I venture to say that nobody here struggles with that sin. Nobody here is killing Christians. No? Like you're gonna be in a small group (I think that is what he said) and yeah..he sighs..just struggling!Y'know I went to Red Cedar last week and capped off one of the greeters and threw the body in the dumpster...like just, my bad y'know? Whew! (he taps his chest twice, closes his eyes ) We all got somthin!

____________________

Uh..what? Wait, what? What in the hell is he talking about?? What does this even mean? He JUST got done talking about Amanda and 3 bullets in her!

lynda said...

Anon I

Davey Blackburn statement November 11, 2015

I hold firm to the belief that God is still good, that He takes our tragedy and turns it into triumph, and that the best truly is yet to come.
-Davey Blackburn

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Um, yeah. Doesn't sound like he was "mad" at God at all.

lynda said...

Hope #ForIndy. Nothing is Wasted

11/16/2015
This past week, tragedy struck my family. My cousin's beautiful wife was killed through an act of senseless violence. As I made the long drive to Indianapolis, I could not help but to be angry about the situation. How could such an amazing young mother be taking from us so early. I felt sorrow for my cousin. However, when I arrived at my grandparents house I was met by an unbelievable force. Hope. My cousin, Davey Blackburn, was a rock of hope and inspiration of joy. Everyone would have understood if he was angry or depressed during this dark time, but he wasn't. When I arrived he immediately gave me a huge hug and asked how I was. His focus was not driven by anger but by complete, life-giving hope. He asked if there was any way that I could make some shirts that his wife, Amanda, had designed for their church in time for her celebration service.
__________________

He forgot to tell people that all profits from Tshirts went to Davey.

As you can see Anon I, there are SO many instances where Davey is filled with joy, not angry at all.

Anonymous said...

Disturbing, lynda. I watched it too, for as long as I could stand to look at Davey prancing around trying to act so angry (finally).

If there was an Academy Award for the *worst* portrayal of emotion performance by an actor in a leading role, Davey would win. And he would be double nominated - for this performance at Red Cedar and also for the Inside Edition interview where he was looking down at his wedding ring and mournfully twisting it (twice) and saying he told Amanda they had done long distance before. With the performance of "I hoped, I hoped. .. I hoped" when the WTHR interviewer asked if Evie was going to have the dimples also strongly considered

Between the milk motions, the capping off the greeters (did I understand that he made a shooting motion as well at some point?) - his language and visuals are dark and disturbing. Combine this with his ever changing story and the disbelief exhibited by his listeners onstage (see Bobcat's blog for screen caps with all of these preachers covering their mouths) - It is going to get to the point where no congregation leader will want Davey within 1000 miles of them.

If you are reading here, you should enjoy your days of speaking to 4000 kids (or your 15-20 people at Resonate Indy) while you still remotely have an audience who will turn up to listen to you stammer and stutter about how you found your best friend.

The story is played out already - everyone knows it. You could fast forward straight to your anger and rage

without having to start every time from "Tuesday was my long day, uh, it was a normal day, I woke up at 4:30am, um, read my bible, headed to the gym"

and without having to include anything about Amanda lying in a pool of blood, or blood smeared all around her, struggling to breathe.

That's just total sensationalism at this point. I know you are just waiting for the gasps from the audience after you make that statement. Every. Time.

You could say "as you all know, I lost my wife last November" - or "as you all have probably heard by now, my wife was killed by intruders into our house last November" without having to restate your timeline, alibi, what you saw and felt when you walked in - every. single. time.

People are turning up to hear how you are dealing with it afterward. They don't want to relive a smut film in their minds. And your carousel of changing stories is going to be your undoing.

lynda said...

Cut and Pasted from Watchkeep

Anonymous said...
she may have decided the city heart in the state would be the best design to use to promote her church but she did not design them. Those shirts are all over the place in the US and have been for years in different states, etc. Davey told his congregation that AB designed them and even had her initials put inside the Indiana state and sold them at her funeral. They have sold them on other occasions to and use them as door prizes, etc.

His house appears to have a pool, library, possibly a home theatre. It is a very nice house. He has a new shiny lawn mower, new car and has traveled extensively. He is now marketing Nothing is Wasted as if it is his own. They sold the Nothing is Wasted shirts at church last Sunday. I sure hope that now some of the proceeds will go toward reaching the city of Indy instead of lavishing up Davey's life.
Monday, July 18, 2016

Anonymous said...

They don't want to relive a smut film in their minds.

^ ^ this ^ ^ was meant to be "they don't want to relive a SNUFF film in their minds". With or without a director, cameras, lights, and popcorn.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Part 1 of 2
Reading over Davey's 4-Part "How Do You Deal With The Way Amanda Died?" blog series, and thinking about the scene as Davey describes it there and it past interviews and speaking engagements, bothered me. Not because it was graphic-it was. Not because it was shockingly gory and violent-that's Davey's at his finest. What bothered me was Amanda's shirt...bothered me enough to go back and read the Affidavit of Probable Cause yet another time.

Amanda, wearing a shirt, was shot in the upper back at a downward trajectory, producing a through and through back wound. Downward trajectory means the shooter was somewhere above her. The through and through wound (the bullet entered her upper back, bounced around internally, and exited out through her upper back and into the bottom of the stairwell-the vertical space under a flight of stairs). The Crime Scene Investigator found change of the landing- the staircase has 2 landings, one at the top where it opens to the balcony and one at the bottom before the step down into the living room. Davey has a need to explain being on the balcony in his "How Do You Deal With The Way Amanda Died?"- he elaborates on the architectural purpose of the balcony, references the balcony multiple times, and included additional new details re: Checking on Weston (11 months and 2 weeks after his LE statement, multiple paid television and print interviews, numerous paid speaking engagements across the country, and written tweets and personal posts). Note he does not have a need to explain being on the lower landing. Because it's his residence, he should have no need to explain using either landing.

Anon "I" said...

Wow, just wow. Now he's brought in the concept of a sword in the fire and getting beaten upon so it can be changed.
Davey loves him some Davey. And, yes, he sounds manic. He's singing a lyric from Def Leppard to make his point. I'm not kidding.

Anon "I" said...

CD mentions a "providential circumstance" and "provision" as God's mercy in your life.

I would love to be a fly on the wall at Red Cedar's next church board meeting.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Part 2 of 2

Amanda, wearing the shirt, had the through and through shot. Yet, when she was "found face down in a pool of blood"(Davey's quote),with a gunshot to the back of her head, "her shirt was pulled up as if someone tried to pull it off"(Affidavit of Probable Cause-Pg. 15 top of the page). One of these things doesn't fit. One of these things speaks to staging. She was already bleeding from the mouth (tooth knocked out), bleeding from the left arm shot, bleeding from the upper back through and through wound, shot in the back of the head, dying face down in a pool of blood...and someone tried to pull her shirt up over her head? Someone tried to pull her shirt off after she was shot in the back of the head, meaning she was already face down.

Her panties were on the floor "next to her"(Affidavit of Probable Cause-Pg. 15 top of the page). I wonder about the condition of the panties. I can't see a thug, finally executing Amanda and then trying to pull her shirt off, much less her panties. So how do the seemingly perfectly placed panties fit into the scene? Judging solely by the escalation in degree of injury, it would be a bit difficult for Amanda to get her panties off herself after the injured arm...and pretty impossible after the upper back shot. I can't see Amanda being chased down the stairs (as some have speculated) carrying those panties either. None of the suspects have been charged with sexual assault, even though at least one has a well-documented predisposition to that.

The "sexual assault" aspect was staging and personal in my opinion, by someone close to Amanda who knew firsthand how much her purity had always meant to her. It was meant to mock her and steal her last shred of personal dignity and "honor" as she lay dying- that act was a hate crime in the traditional sense- a statement of dominance, not a rape control issue.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Priority- Davey walking in comes before finding Amanda (in every retelling since November 10, 2015). His memory of the event should begin with the trauma of finding Amanda, not that he walked in. The correct experiential order verbally should be finding her, followed far later by the shock of him walking in or returning from the gym. Shock is an emotion processed after the initial emergency of the situation. The typical post-event response of mentally attempting to reconcile the normal in one’s life with the jarring trauma occurs after the emergency has been dealt with. The emotional trauma of finding her should always mentally and emotionally supercede his “usual routine” of returning from the gym. The priority is on the fact that he wasn’t home

In every retelling, he “walks in”-freely- without restraint-not that he unlocked the door or even that he opened the door (so was the front door even closed?). He does not say that he opened the door, only that he “walked in”. The order should be that he opened the door and walked in. If the door was already open while Davey was in the driveway on the phone for 45 min-1 hr, it should be noted in his LE statement. If it was not noted or if the door being unlocked or open was not noted, LE should have flagged that statement(and hopefully did) as people can’t physically walk through closed doors.

In view of Davey stating in early interviews that Amanda discussed the safety of the neighborhoods due to recent violent crime sprees, it is suspect that it was standard practice for Davey to leave pre-dawn for the gym and leave the door unlocked because “she would be getting up soon”. Likewise, with a recent violent crime spree in surrounding neighborhoods, I seriously doubt a conscientious pregnant mother (as Amanda was by all acounts), with a toddler, and home alone would leave the front door unlocked period. It would be interesting to interview Amber re: Amanda’s usual routine with their doors.

Rosy said...

Alexandra said...
Could Bobcat transcribe the part of sermon regarding Davey bringing Weston into the dark room full of toys while they were at "someone's" (he seems to deliberately not mention who) and post it here. I would feel better if Peter could at least be able to take a look at it, as I am deeply concerned. Also, it would be helpful for all of us to see it in writing. Thank you (if you have time!)
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I've been away from this board for months, all summer, yet I already recall his anecdote of taking Weston into the dark. He first said this months ago. It rang false to me back then. It was either in a sermon or in his blog, maybe around Mother's Day. I'll look.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

BRAVEHEART:
Davey has repeatedly referenced Braveheart (the Braveheart movie, watching it with Amanda, the Braveheart sword as his Valentine gift, the role the sword played at their wedding, recently using the sword onstage as a prop, reference within this series etc.)- the premise of the movie was that King Edward granted Prima Nocte (the right of Lords to rape the wives and fiancees of their Scottish subjects prior to the husband and wife having marital relations). LE initially determined Amanda’s murder as a sexual assault (yet all those with DNA readily available on file have not been charged). Davey has steadfastly and insistently portrayed and reinforced imagery of Amanda as the Bride of Christ, with himself presenting her to God as a sacrifice. He has told us that Amanda put God first, above everyone (Davey included) and that she, on her knees bowing, led the way in a “posture of surrender”- Amanda was shot in the upper back with a downward trajectory-her assailant above her before being shot in the back of the head at close range. Coincidentally, the first lead female character in Braveheart was killed for refusing to submit to the advances of her attacker and for defending herself.

Rosy said...

I checked his blog and the Weston fear of the dark anecdote is not there far as I see, so maybe it was in a sermon. I do distinctly recall him imitating Weston saying "eyes, eyes." I haven't got as far as that in the Red Cedar sermon so I believe he must said it earlier and repeated in this latest sermon.

Me2l said...

LE initially determined Amanda’s murder as a sexual assault (yet all those with DNA readily available on file have not been charged).



.......nor has DAvey been charged ...... with anything.

Bobcat said...

Rosy, the first time I recall hearing the lights and doors story with Weston was 2/21/15.
It is transcribed here, starting after 3:00

http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/02/overcoming-valleys-sermon-2212016.html?m=1

Regarding the house DB was staying at - he has never said specifically. He also mentioned "family members house" with a dropped pronoun. I wonder if they were staying with Meg? He has never once mentioned her name in a sermon or blog, even though she IS his assistant. He has no problem speaking about Derek and Ashley; his other housemates.

Bobcat said...

2/21/16 Oops

Rosy said...

DBb brought up Weston's fear of the dark on February 23, 2016 in sermon "Overwhelmed Week 4 – Overcoming the Valleys," about 3.30 minutes in. Lead in is an anecdote about a show he watched in the 90s called "Are You Afraid of the Dark?"

"He won't walk into the dark without me, but the second I walk with him and take his hand and walk into the dark with him, he goes, no problem. Here's ... He knows that as long as his Daddy is with him when he goes through the dark, he's going to be OK. That dawned on me, and I remembered a verse in the Bible, in fact it's something that probably everybody has heard before, this passage, Psalm 23, even if you didn't grow up in church, you probably have this like, mug, 'The Lord is my Shepherd....' But here's probably what you don't have bigger than all the other letters on your mug, verse 4, 'Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death.' Probably not. But it's reality." Sermon continues.

Rosy said...

THe link for the Valleys sermon is
http://resonateindianapolis.com/mediacast/overwhelmed-week-4-overcoming-the-valleys/

Rosy said...

Bobcat, yes, thanks.

So it sounds as if on this latest guest visit to Wisconsin, he drew on some of his previous or recent sermon themes and materials. He told it better the first time. Looks like being a guest in another pastor's church over-excites him.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...


Me2l said... October 28, 2016 @ 7:51 PM

LE initially determined Amanda’s murder as a sexual assault (yet all those with DNA readily available on file have not been charged).



.......nor has DAvey been charged ...... with anything.
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Me21- Since you're quoting me in your response, I'd appreciate it if you kept it in the context in which it was written. I did not an have never said Davey killed Amanda or even that he arranged her murder. I agree that Davey has not been charged with anything. The lack of charges is a red herring fallacy though. A lack of charges constitutes neither guilt nor innocence. Innocent people are sometimes charged with (and even prosecuted in error for) crimes and the guilty sometimes go free ("luck", not enough prosecutable evidence to secure a conviction, compromised "chain of command" with evidence, the level of PR/money/fame of the defendant's legal team in relation to the strength of evidence, juror ignorance/"social justice warriors"/jury stacking, etc.). No charges simply means no charges.

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Davey acts as if INDY is a Third World country when he references leaving NewSpring to plant Resonate. He acts as if he's the savior for Indy and he's got a corner on the youth, particularly street kids. He's late to the game. http://www.indianapolismonthly.com/news-opinion/rev-charles-harrison-crime-fighting-coalition-is-in-the-line-of-fire/

Anonymous said...

The part I would like Peter to have a look at (re: doors, lights, dark room with toys, Weston) is in the Red Cedar sermon.

There are troubling factors beginning with: Why did the "someONE" (which means one person) he and Weston were staying with have a room full of toys???

Why did Davey want a "Little Mermaid" video tape back that his babysitter had borrowed 20 years ago? Why would a grown man (who has a toddler son, not a daughter--it is girls who like that movie) both remember the DVD and wish to have it back 20 years later? The only immediate conclusion I can draw from this is that there is a possibility that Davey is preoccupied with movies, toys, etc that appeal to a certain age group of children and possibly a certain gender of children and may even collect them.

HIGHLY concerning imo

Anonymous said...

He also shows extreme possessiveness of Weston, going so far as to say that 'Amanda died at a good point in Weston's developmental stages so that he won't even remember her.'

Another concerning sign.

Anonymous said...

He mailed her a sword for Valentine's Day?!?! Couldn't that be considered a threat?

Anonymous said...

Oh, he wrote her "an epic poem" on a papyrus scroll that was one line long?!?! And stuffed in the box with the sword...I woulda told that guy to hit the road so fast! Talk about a crappy friggin Valentine's Day gift!!! HOw about a Victoria's Secret Gift Card Davey??? Or did you buy one and use it on yourself??!

Rosy said...

Anonymous said....
October 28, 2016 at 9:30 PM
There are troubling factors beginning with: Why did the "someONE" (which means one person) he and Weston were staying with have a room full of toys???
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Actually in the Cedar sermon he says "we were staying in a house with somebody else." I don't think you can reasonably insist on focusing ONLY on wording of Red Cedar sermon, since, as I have recalled, this is a recycling of his Resonate sermon in February this year. In the February sermon he simply says, "the house we're staying in."

Why, in February '16 or before then, were Davey and Weston staying in a house that was not Davey's? They had moved out of the house in which Amanda was killed and were in process of finding a new house.

In the Resonate sermon, it sounds like all the toys belong to Weston, but you can't really tell. He isn't going to disclose who they staying with, why should he? In the Cedar sermon it sounds like perhaps the house they moved into also had toys. So maybe that house did also have children.

To me what leaps out is how in the second (or latest) telling, at Red Cedar, Davey embroiders and coarsens the story. Of note, he says he told Weston, "'Just bust open the doors,' you know, trying to teach him that boys are destructive, like to do manly things ...." Nothing like this in the first telling. He also says he told Weston, It's OK, nothing's going to hurt you in there, go get your toys, there's a lot of blessing in there." This last phrase is totally new and sounds phony. I doubt very much that he said it at the time. And then he demonstrates Weston reaching his arm up:

"And I'll never forget what he did next. And he looks up at me, and he goes 'Daddy help,' And he holds his hand out for me to hold his hand."

This is elaboration, exaggeration, gilding the lily, over-egging the pudding. He is now USING Weston as a tear-jerking prop in his sermon. He talks earlier in this Red Cedar sermon of having a "drug problem" as a child, namely, he was "drug to church" every Sunday. Well this is a case of dragging his own child into a sermon and falsifying the child's experience for the sake of the churchly moral he plans to draw from it.


The first time round it was pretty genuine, I thought, and well observed. The second time round, not so much.

Anonymous said...

Yeah OK but why is he mentioning doors and lights when talking about bringing Weston into a dark toy room? That's the important question.

It is not normal whatsoever the linguistics surrounding entering the toy room. These are not words or descriptors that would normally pop up in someone's language.

These words can indicate sexual abuse.

I'm finishing watching the sermon now.

Anonymous said...

Oh...I agree that is really odd that he said "there's a lot of blessing in there"....it's extremely strange.

Anonymous said...

He's so full of shit. He says he doesn't care about his life anymore yet he seems to extra special care of himself...working out, cutting/styling his hair/buying lots of clothes/applying fake tan. He seems to be a somatic narcissist who pictures that he is a "warrior" like Braveheart or Saul...it seems like he is trying to even workout to make himself look like a "Heman" warrior type figure with Heman legs that he wears pants so tight you can see his Heman leg shape.

Anonymous said...

He says that he used to be a terrible pastor and that when people came to him with their pain he would say "get over it" but now he claims he's so sympathetic...what a liar.

Anonymous said...

It is strange he seems to have a tremendous lack of awareness of how unconvincing he is as "someone who has gone through the shadow of death"...he really shows a lack of effort to mimic emotion I feel.
I just can't believe there would be a single person watching him who would be convinced he is sincere.

Anonymous said...

Oh wow when he calls the 3 people up on stage, they look totally freaked out by him and the woman he tells to pretend she is Jesus and then he starts crouches and walking behind her looks scared of him.

Anonymous said...

HIs legs look womanly like a plump woman imo.

Anonymous said...

LE initially determined Amanda’s murder as a sexual assault (yet all those with DNA readily available on file have not been charged).

.......nor has Davey been charged ...... with anything.


So they found evidence of sex - but no DNA of the three in custody. Nor were they charged with rape/sexual assault.

And it's expected that Amanda's husband's DNA would be found (or that it's not out of the ordinary anyway) - so are they wrapping their minds around rough sex the night before or that morning, to the point that it looked like an assault ?

It is very interesting, the post above about the underwear carefully laid beside Amanda. It appears now more than ever that this was staging.

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Nic said...

Anonymous @ 5:53
People are turning up to hear how you are dealing with it afterward. They don't want to relive a snuff film in their minds. And your carousel of changing stories is going to be your undoing.


Standing Ovation.

Nic said...

Foolsfeedonfolly said..
I can't see Amanda being chased down the stairs (as some have speculated)


Me! Until I found out via the house listing that the master bedroom was on the main floor at the back of the house.

The "sexual assault" aspect was staging and personal in my opinion, by someone close to Amanda who knew firsthand how much her purity had always meant to her. It was meant to mock her and steal her last shred of personal dignity and "honor" as she lay dying- that act was a hate crime in the traditional sense- a statement of dominance, not a rape control issue.

I agree. The gusset of Amanda’s panties will say a lot. If clean and semen is on her person, it will reveal a lot.

Nic said...

Foolsfeedonfolly,
According to the APC, Larry Taylor didn't ping onto Sunnyfield until appx 6:40am, well after Gordon and Watson were in receipt of the ATM card and syphoning their payday. He didn't attempt go into either crime scene after 6:40 am. IMO, someone else entered the Blackburn residence and I suspect it was via the back door.

jmo

Nic said...

I would like to add that once I learned that the master bedroom was on the main floor it became obvious to me that the front door being left unlocked was a red herring. Everything was meant to centre around the front door when, IMO, the back door should have been investigated. Just like the house on Sunnyfield, before it.

jmo

Nic said...

Foolsfeedonfolly,
In the context of DB's statements:
[You] walk in someone
[you] walk into the/a house
[you] walk out (negative)

You go home [to] shower
You go home [go] find
-- both of the above answers why. Why did you go home?

All of the above describe intent. When someone is telling you why they did something, for no reason, you need to ask them why.

jmo

Nic said...

Me2l said...
LE initially determined Amanda’s murder as a sexual assault (yet all those with DNA readily available on file have not been charged).



.......nor has DAvey been charged ...... with anything.


No, Me2I, DB has not been charged with anything because he (DNA, fingerprints, walking through the crime scene,) was expected to be *everywhere*. Including in Amanda, on Amanda, around the house. Everywhere.

If DB had reported the crime scene accurately, LE would have responded at the same time as the paramedics and perhaps they would have been able to stop DB from getting back into his car and driving it to the hospital; thereby contaminating his car with Amanda's DNA. Otherwise, maybe then they would have found something out.of.order. As it was, DB "grabbed" his son, contaminated his car with Amanda's DNA from the crime scene, and followed the ambulance to the hospital.

Sirensong said...

Wow, so many thought provoking posts. It's interesting that many ideas in these posts were in our ones on day one. It just seemed off and everyone started to wonder why. Then DB started talking, and left little if any doubt what was wrong with this picture.

Me2l said...


Sirensong said...
Wow, so many thought provoking posts. It's interesting that many ideas in these posts were in our ones on day one. It just seemed off and everyone started to wonder why. Then DB started talking, and left little if any doubt what was wrong with this picture.
October 29, 2016 at 1:07





Not exactly.


He still has not been charged. In fact, he doesn't seem to even be subject to investigation by LE.

Bingo3 said...

I finally watched the end of the Red Cedar sermon. What up with the cakes? The three people on stage who he has parading behind him?? Just odd. Also, Davey calling the pastor a chick again because the girl on stage was going to play Jesus and Jesus was a dude. I have not been able to sit through the whole thing but couldn't wait to watch the end after seeing you guys posts about the cakes. ha. I have watched the beginning where he talks about being bitter about his Little Mermaid tape that he said the pastor stole from him. I watched him discuss the special bond he has with the pastor because she changed his diaper. He made fun of the town and mocked the man who spoke last week. I skipped to the middle where he was discussing capped heads and throwing a body in a dumpster. Now if I can just sit through the whole thing and possible try to transcribe some of it. Watching a Davey sermon is one wild ride.

Bobcat said...

A tip for transcribing

Shrink the video window so it is neither full screen or minimized. Adjust the visible portion so you only see the Play/pause and time bar. Move that window to the top of your screen.

Shrink your transcription window so it is below your video window.

It is much easier this way. You don't have to WATCH at all.

kimisan said...

I cannot make it through a sermon transcription or one of his blog posts without throwing the phone down and saying either "gross" or "I can't." Find my phone app? I had no idea you could use the app that way. That screams "domestic violence." This whole business about "flashbacks" reeks of OJ's "If I Did It" scenario. My heart breaks for the life Amanda must've led--the only truth I can glean out of all this nonsense is that yes, she is in Heaven now and far away from this betrayal of her faith and trust.

"God had His bride ripped away, too." What?? Jesus's bride is the Church. Where did this other thing come from? I couldn't bring myself to read his description of God's bride in the Genesis story because I believe it is false prophecy.

He won't stop talking, guys. He can't. He knows what these blog comments say about our suspicions and yet he keeps talking. Our only consolation is that he'll just keep getting more and more arrogant and show more contempt for the world until he finally says that one thing that will get LE's attention.

Me2l said...

No, Me2I, DB has not been charged with anything because he (DNA, fingerprints, walking through the crime scene,) was expected to be *everywhere*. Including in Amanda, on Amanda, around the house. Everywhere.



Nic....

I wasn't necessarily referring to DNA.....just the fact that, despite the assumption of guilt from which all these comments emanate, LE appears to gloss right over Davey. Maybe it's because there is nothing, other than his lack of grieving and his narcissistic behaviors and manner of speaking. Any real, viable evidence to link him or incriminate him to the point of charges appears to be nonexistent.

If Amanda's murder was characterized as a sexual homicide, but no DNA from those charged with the crime, that would seem to imply another person responsible. Even without a full-on rape, surely DNA in some form would have been present.

Odd.

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Anonymous said...

When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.
Maya Angelou


From Statement Analysis post November 19, 2012

We find that what the brain is thinking comes out in the tongue. Surprise, surprise....this was something said more than 2,000 years ago.

"out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks" is still amazing me, analysis after analysis. Almost a thousand years before that, we have our famous example from Solomon where he taught us that order shows priority, in the case of the two babies of which one died.



Davey has revealed who he is, from the very first thing he wrote and word he spoke back in November 2015. He continues to show us who he is. It is disturbing that he seems to almost ENJOY sharing, almost a year later, his vivid memories and descriptions of his wife lying on the floor of their living room in pool of blood - reliving it, relishing it maybe. Control, domination (when he keeps saying Amanda was leading the way in submission, someone was dominant), humiliation - it was all there.


If Amanda's murder was characterized as a sexual homicide, but no DNA from those charged with the crime, that would seem to imply another person responsible. Even without a full-on rape, surely DNA in some form would have been present.

This is the thing - a husband could commit a sexual homicide (obviously). Davey's DNA would be found on/around/in, whether Amanda was or wasn't a willing participant - and whether or not Davey had anything whatsoever to do with this assault and execution. This could be why it's taking awhile to sort out.

LE has no DNA from those charged - so was there either DNA from another person who didn't get a hit in the database - or was there DNA from Davey and they are trying to reconcile the evidence of rape with the presence of his DNA ? We are not privy to whatever injuries or evidence made them deem this a sexual assault but surely it would be more than just underwear removed and shirt pulled up.

They seemed so sure it was sexual assault, then backpedaled - maybe because it was Davey's DNA and they don't want to believe he would do this.

Me2l said...

LE has no DNA from those charged - so was there either DNA from another person who didn't get a hit in the database - or was there DNA


LE got DNA from the pink sweater stolen when the thugs robbed the Blackburn's neighbor and used the sweater as disguise at the ATM.

Anonymous said...

LE has no DNA from those charged

LE got DNA from the pink sweater stolen when the thugs robbed the Blackburn's neighbor and used the sweater as disguise at the ATM.

I chose the wrong words for the first sentence. I meant, in the context of rape/sex assault - LE did not get DNA from those charged from Amanda to support rape or sex assault charges against them. More clearly, I don't think they found DNA in/on/around Amanda from "these guys" or they would've charged them with these crimes as well as murder.

The DNA from the pink sweater places them in the neighbor's house for sure. It is realistic to imagine them in the Blackburn house just a couple of houses away in the same timeframe.

But has anything else yet shared with the public (other than cell phone pings which is tied to the phone, not the person) placed them actually inside the Blackburn house - and even more importantly, placed them connected with Amanda - touching the underwear or shirt, on her fingernails. If there was evidence of sex assault of Amanda by one of those three, they would've been charged with it by now.

And there must have been clear evidence of sex assault for IMPD to make the announcement and then backpedal.

Nic said...

Anonymous said:
The DNA from the pink sweater places them in the neighbor's house for sure. It is realistic to imagine them in the Blackburn house just a couple of houses away in the same timeframe.


I would argue that just because the pink sweater came from the neighbour's and one of their DNA is on the sweater does not mean that they were in the house. The phones don't ping until quite a bit of time after that house was hit. Someone from that robbery gave the driver this sweater. Street surveillance will fill in a lot of the unknown/comings and goings on the street that morning.

jmo

lynda said...

Anon @ 4:25

The DNA on the pink sweater is what he used to cover his face at the ATM, USING Amandas debit card. If I was on the jury, that would be enough for me to place him at the Blackburn home beyond a reasonable doubt. If he wasn't there, where did he get the ATM and the PIN?

Anonymous said...

Here is the article Me2l referred to.

http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2012/11/statement-analysis-is-wrong-because-i.html

A link was provided and then deleted. Why did you delete the link?

Anonymous said...

So true Nic. I (quite obviously, huh!) didn't think of a handoff. The three could've never been inside blackburns either, no? Only the word of the.confidential informant and cell pings put them there (along with Davey saying Larry Taylor actually pulled the trigger - -how does he know!) It's not like he said supposedly or "who police said" actually shot her.

And there is also a difference in "pulled the trigger on" va "shot" vs "killed", too.

The street surveillance will reveal much. We need for Davey to keep talking ! I'd love to be there at the trial in march or whenever it is every single day....

Rosy said...

I've forgotten - was the computer recovered?

Nic said...

Rosy,
As far as I know, it was not reported either way.

Anonymous,
If it is live-streamed like the Casey Anthony case was, I will clear the deck to watch it.

Rosy said...

Amanda Blackburn had recently found out that DB was using an app to defeat the anti-porn reporting system on his computer.

Possibly she thought of using that app to find out what porn he was viewing. That might not have worked, but possibly she poked around in the computer and saw something disturbing.

Around the same time DB started talking about upcoming "season of pain." He foresaw some sort of major trouble or cloud hanging over his ventures.

It would be good to know for sure if the computer was recovered and if so, did police have chance to examine it fully before it was returned?

Rosy said...

PS: I suppose it would have required a warrant for police to have examined DB's computer. None is reported, I guess it's safe to say they never did examine it, and maybe it was never found. Did they search for it?

Me2l said...

Anonymous said...
Here is the article Me2l referred to.

http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2012/11/statement-analysis-is-wrong-because-i.html

A link was provided and then deleted. Why did you delete the link?




I thought it was the wrong link.

Anon "I" said...

It doesn't quite make sense to me that CD might have been standing on the "balcony," or whatever it was inside, but upstairs. He would have been seen. If they saw him, they would know he allowed it to happen (or if he participated before or during the murder) and might be much more likely to snitch. I know the incentive to keep quiet is overwhelming with a gang, but if they are facing life and death, they may be mulling over their options had they seen CD. I have considered that CD may have used some sort of nanny-cam hidden in plain sight to watch, though.

Secondly, IF he is using steroids at all to bulk up, they can, in some instances, drastically alter his mood making him more mentally labile and possibly more aggressive. Some people react badly to them and tapering steroids down to none can cause mood changes, too.

Why, if Perry was available for CD right after AB died, is CD not by Perry's side during his time of need?

Everything here is speculation and conjecture at this point.



















Anonymous said...

Sirensong said: I always wonder about his saying "I walked into my greatest fear, my greatest nightmare". It presumes he had thought this might happen to Amanda? IMO crazy Davey had to have had thoughts of dark scenarios concerning Amanda or he probably wouldn't have ever mentioned it now? Seems like he is a pessimist deep down to think sad things like Amanda's demise from some greatest fear he has. If he had a great fear of her being wounded, assaulted, murdered WHY prey tell did he leave the front door unlocked that day? He can't get out of this one I don't think.
Does anyone know where I posted the comment on Davey's letter C? this is handwriting science which helps us know a great deal about both of them. I post something and often I forget which Amanda blog I've posted in. I'm just wondering if people understood where I was coming from about his letter C.

Hey Jude said...

Catching up - some great comments - sorry I have not had time to respond to some replies to older comments.

I am thinking that if the investigators removed items from the crime scene (what say the computer wasn't stolen, as Davey has said they 'tried' to steal some things, not that they did - he may have reported items missing which were recovered in the house or nearby - unknown, but strange he only said they 'tried' to steal some things) - they may still have removed items retained as evidence, or just not returned yet. Some items would be sure to have been removed - has Davey mentioned that items have been returned? He may have given his computer over voluntarily, in which case a warrant would not be necessary - though they maybe would not have had it examined - there would be no reason unless Davey was a suspect, or if it was a shared computer, and they had wanted to see Amanda's activity in case it were not as random a 'burglary' as was first assumed, and if she might have known or had any type of contact with any of the three. I know the PC doc says a computer was taken from the Blackburns - I don't know if that means definitely it was, or if it could mean that Davey had reported it as stolen during the home invasion, when it was not. If even there was a home invasion...Davey doesn't include it in his account of Tuesday morning at Red Cedar church, which is interesting. He must be growing bored with the story by now - because this time 'there were three bullet wounds, one through her head' - yer no mention of home invaders as having put them there. Slipping, Davey.

Nic said...

@ Anonymous 9:43pm


October 27, 2016 at 3:14 PM

Anonymous said...
As per Davey's words" losing my beautiful Amanda Grace" well there is another very important aspect to his capital letter C (found on his sermon message board videos)Remember, I said he has a spike in the upper zone (atmosphere) according to Vimala Rodgers, authoress of "Your Handwriting Can Change Your Life"the letter C has more implications and one that fits Davey to a T, and basically shows proof of what he felt not only about Amanda, his mother and most women in general. From Vimala's book; I will capitalize some for emphasis.
"The letter C represents TRUST at it's deepest level, our WILLINGNESS TO BE VULNERABLE and FREE FROM JUDGEMENT OF OURSELVES AND OTHERS---PARTICULARLY WOMEN AUTHORITY figures IN OUR LIVES. Repeat: free from women authority figures in our lives. Davey wanted to be from Amanda lock stock and barrel (get the pun) barrel of a gun? Okay, Davey's capital letter C (in video) has a spike, any extra hook, loop, twist or curl,any dcoration, any added stroke to that letter is a mirror image of our negative judbment about aanother person IN OUR LIVES. IT ISTHE NEGATIVE JUDGMENT, NOT THE PERSON HERSELF, THAT KEEPS US CONNECTED TO HER.
With the letr C, this person is most frequently our mother who echoes out into our lives as any female authority figure. Forgivenes, compassion, vulnerability, openess, unaffected honest, true joy ARE IMPOSSIBLE AS LONG AS WE HOLD ANY NEGATIVE JUDGMENTS HERE. IMPOSSIBLE!
Posted from Adela Rodgers book. Speaking of Davey's mother, I don't know what kind of relationship they had so his letter C might have been free ( no extra strokes whatsoever) from all of the negativity that he had with Amanda? I doubt it though because his relationship with his mother should have been quite restrained after he told the big lie as a teen-ager imo. BTW, Wasn't Davey's mother a school counselor, some sort of counselor? I read that somewhere. that's surely a woman authority figure. So we, get to see even deeper into his negative feelings about "his loving wife" Amanda (the way he talked about her).
________

You just have to go back in the thread and use a "command 'f'" function to [find] your post.

imagrandma said...

Why do you have to come here and pollute Peter's blog with your curse words Henrietta? I would say more to you but I am so tired from an operation I just had on my tibula and my daughter in law would have to type for me and she accidentally hit her thumb with a hammer and is right now nursing the intense swelling with ice.

imagrandma said...

I'll be back to put you in your place missy, as soon as I sleep off this tibula pain and as soon as my daughter in law puts a butterfly bandage on her thumb and forefinger and reduces the swelling and then I will dictate to her exactly the words to put you in your place!!!!

Jasmine said...

Thanks so much Nick for helping me find my prior posting. I so appreciate you ana all the others who really want justice for this case, particularly Amanda and Evie Grace.

Bingo3 said...

Exactly Anon!!! If this were Davey's worst nightmare coming true, why leave the door unlocked with his wife, child and unborn baby while it is still dark outside. If this was something he actually "worried" about, he would lock the door and check it twice to make sure it is locked. One of my worst nightmares is my children being hit by a car. Because of that I am obsessive about rules outside and walking in parking lots. The things you worry about most, are the things you obsess about to make sure it doesn't happen. Leaving the door unlocked "because she was about to get up anyway" doesn't line up with it being DB's worst nightmare. The way he talks about knocked out teeth, capped heads, murder, death and gore all of the time, I am starting to think this "nightmare" come true was actually a "fantasy" come true. The way he talked about jesus watching from the balcony and giddily talking about Amanda lying in a pool of blood is him reliving the fantasy and getting excited about it. The clenched stomach, getting hot all over and dilated pupils express his excitement when thinking about it. This guy is one sick puppy. I love Peter's SA on him. I would love to see a psychiatrist do a case study on his words and behavior. Those who truly study what he is saying in between the scripture verses know to be quite alarmed.

Bingo3 said...

https://www.instagram.com/p/BMG44PYBHL1/?taken-by=daveyblackburn&hl=en

Resonate leadership retreat is going on right now. It looks like a turnover of many people and it doesn't appear to have gotten any bigger. It looks like they have a much nicer place to stay.

Bobcat said...

I'm working on a thorough transcription of Red Cedar today. Slowing down and listening to every word - even from the intro by Heather - it sounds like she felt coerced into letting him speak.

Anonymous said...

I got the impression that Heather was in a bit of disbelief that Davey was still harboring his feelings about the videotape after 20 years - it was almost veiled sarcasm when she was setting up to give him the tape, like "can you guys BELIEVE this guy".

Almost,like a warning to everyone- this guy doesn't forget when you do something to him, even as simple as keeping a videotape.

Anonymous said...

I just watched Heather's intro again - it was actually THIRTY years ago, not twenty, about the video. And she is barely smiling when she speaks of this DEBT Davey says she owes him. I don't know her but her demeanor while she's talking doesn't look (to me anyway) like joking between friends.

"Before I introduce your speaker Davey Blackburn, I, there's just a little somethin I wanna take care of. Um, Davey reminded me the other day on the phone, that, I'm in debt to him - that I OWE him. And, no, not for me to judge, that he has carried with him this resentment and bitterness over the last. thirty. years. of our life - but - I wanted to be able to preach with the freedom, and be empowered, and so I wanna just clear up this little debt, this- this thing.

He says I stole, I say I borrowed, but thirty years ago he claims that I borrowed, stole, whatever, a "Little Mermaid" VHS tape from his home. Well, um, again, I just wanna make things right and so Davey, for you today my friend, I have a VHS tape of "The Little Mermaid" - so you can watch Ariel, and Sebastian, sea, just to your heart's content. This is a gift, uh, from me to you, because I love you and I think the world of you and I'm grateful to you for coming here today. So, for YOU (point to him),that's right, all the fish under the sea."



On another subject, (gay) posters on another board are making fun of Davey's hair at the Red Cedar appearance ("Oh God, the HAIR . . he is troubled!")



Anonymous said...

Bingo 3 said: This guy is one sick puppy. I love Peter's SA on him. I would love to see a psychiatrist do a case study on his words and behavior. Those who truly study what he is saying in between the scripture verses know to be quite alarmed.

Peter's SA is highly relevant to this case yes. In fact, I think he makes this whole case come alive but I too would like a shrink to give his take on Crazy Davey. I'm no shrink but there is a line of "obsessive compulsives" in my family. when they speak and act, anything and I mean anything can come out of them and as another poster posted.... Davey doesn't forget anything per as the video tape. Yep, that's another characteristic of obsessive compulsives. They remember every itty bitty thing that was ever done to them and then some. Now CD hasn't been diagnosed as such, that we know of but he sure fits the profile. Obsessive Compulsive disorder might also tie in with someone having their worst nightmares come true because they acted on them! If Davey is OC, I do know just how bad Amanda's life must have been, a wretched he // double hockey sticks kind of life.

Me2l said...

The anons talking about The Little Mermaid tape via Heather: people, She was using irony. You are interpreting that through your perspective and through the DB-is-guilty lens (he may be, but it's not a foregone conclusion). Many people use sarcasm and irony when joking, but it can be misconstrued by those not in on the joke and/or relationship. Heather began her introduction of Davey in quite glowing and affectionate terms. The Little Mermaid interlude is not a thing of "disbelief," but is an indication of a long time and very familiar relationship.

There are many things in his following sermon that are cringe-worthy, but the woman's intro is not.

As for OCD, I mentioned it a while back, regarding the control Davey seemed to want over Amanda as illustrated through the Find IPhone app. He seemed insecure about Amanda, hence his "worst nightmare"(losing her). Possessive. Insecure. Obsessive. Narcissists, as we are aware, can do much harm if they perceive a loss.

Anon "I" said...

CD may have had a break in his jet-setting and has now had a bit to read about why people think he should be mad. He's adapting, people, you can't expect him to read all the comments immediately after all his unpacking, right?! He has to search, read them, digest the material, figure out how grieving should look all before formulating his response.

Also, I wondered if his greatest nightmare could have been that Amanda was "still breathing." He might have wet himself. That might be what delayed calling 911 until he got to the time to call 911 "as soon as I could."

Speculative sarcasm sprinkled with a severe dose of opinion.

Anonymous said...

Heather began her introduction of Davey in quite glowing and affectionate terms.

Not so much !

Heather's first words - 40 seconds into the video -

Hey Red Cedar, we are in Week Two of "Shatterproof", and today is going to be just a gift from the Lord to you, I am confident of that.

Immediately following this statement, Heather began her introduction of DAVEY with these words -

"Before I introduce your speaker Davey Blackburn, I, there's just a little somethin I wanna take care of. Um, Davey reminded me the other day on the phone, that, I'm in debt to him - that I OWE him. And, no, not for me to judge, that he has carried with him this resentment and bitterness over the last. thirty. years. of our life"


She spoke of him in (much) more glowing terms after the part I transcribed talking about the tape - but Peter says the ORDER in which statements are said is important and reveals what takes precedence in the speaker or writer's mind.

And Heather chose to - before saying anything fond or glowing about Davey - speak first about repaying the debt she owed Davey, that he has carried bitterness and resentment over the last thirty years "of our life".

NOT. JOKING. Carrying bitterness and resentment for thirty years is a strong statement. It was not just like an offhand remark, it was not said in a joking manner. And Heather chose to start her intro of Davey with this - not with her glowing words and then a joke and paying back. She is (IMO intentionally) clearing things up from the start and at the same time (maybe not intentionally) warning people that *Davey doesn't forget* if he thinks you've done him wrongly.


Before I introduce your speaker Davey Blackburn,
I, there's just a little somethin I wanna take care of.
Um, Davey reminded me the other day on the phone, that, I'm in debt to him, that I OWE him.
And, no, not for me to judge, that he has carried with him this resentment and bitterness over the last. thirty. years. of our life
He says I stole, I say I borrowed, but thirty years ago he claims that I borrowed, stole, whatever, a "Little Mermaid" VHS tape from his home.
Well, um, again, I just wanna make things right and so Davey, for you today my friend, I have a VHS tape of "The Little Mermaid" - so you can watch Ariel, and Sebastian, sea, just to your heart's content.
This is a gift, uh, from me to you, because I love you and I think the world of you and I'm grateful to you for coming here today. So, for YOU (point to him),that's right, all the fish under the sea."

Hey Jude said...

Little Mermaid - tones of a sort of blackmail - but 'the chick' outed him? My, that was weird. I am transcribing it too - I have finished the first draft, taking some time out now before checking and correcting. It's so long, and the cake thing is not even good as an illustration for little children. He should have kept his day job if ever he really had one.

Hey Jude said...


I bet the senior pastor won't be inviting Davey to speak in her church again. Yeah, they 'celebrate,violence in Red Cedar, kicking Satan in the nuts is what it is all about - no turning the other cheek for Davey. violence is what it's all about..I bet she was dying in her seat for having 'invited' him, and will need to do a corrective session this week.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

If this has already been posted and is old news, my apologies.

http://gatewaysdf.ifionline.org/Search.aspx
Parcel # 49-06-16-123-053.000-800
Address:2812 Sunnyfield Court Indianapolis IN 46228 (1,776 Sq. ft, 3 bed, 2.5 bath)
Seller: David Blackburn, POA#A201600041063
Sales Price: $145,000.00
Sale Date: 04/22/2016


Parcel#: 49-04-14-105-008.000-600
Address: 6302 Harmonridge Court Indianapolis IN 46278 (5,107 Sq. ft, 5 bed, 4.5 bath, pool)
Buyer: David Blackburn
Sales Price: $355,000.00 (Prior to "remodeling")
Sale Date: 03/01/2016

We all know the priority of the newly widowed, 11-months late grieving, single father, Pastor is to buy, remodel and redecorate a substantial new home, score a new vehicle, primarily leave the the toddler with family and church friends so he can jet set across the country and Israel (complete with daily workouts, golf games, baseball games, Nascar races, vacations, week-long youth rallies, etc.) to establish a "world-wide revival" that his pregnant wife died to begin. We all know a newly widowed, 11-months late grieving, single father, Pastor's priority is to spend money on dental work to fix his "dented grill", to buff and tan his body (flaunting it in Twitter tweets and Instagram posts), and to buy a new hipster wardrobe so he can be relevant.

It's not just the new vehicle purchase or the home itself. It's the ongoing property taxes on the new home. It's the lifestyle changes-he's definitely profited from her death. He could not have afforded the new vehicle, the 5,000+ sq. ft house with pool (much less redecorating and remodeling), the Cross-fit membership, or all the trips/games/vacations had Amanda lived. Keep in mind, EMS and the hospitals had to be paid for Amanda's care, as well as funeral costs. So, how much was the Insurance policy?

Pastoring a start-up/fledgling church (less than 100 regular attendees) for , where is he getting the money to fund the lavish lifestyle? From countless people worldwide with the T-shirt sales and solicited donations all proceeds going to "Davey and Weston". Remember the fund set up for "Weston's Education"? Zero Accountability. Did he declare any of this income on his Federal or IN state tax returns?

He's undoubtedly being paid for his speaking engagements, working the NewSpring networked church circuit.

His only "claim to fame" and his platform is a murdered wife and pre-born baby. As a pastor with less than 100 regular attendees, he certainly has more free time than any pastor I've ever known (much less any "single parent" parent I've known). Less than 100 regular attendees (much less over 18 yrs old with working income) = no regular tithe amount = no dependable salary (Perry Noble/NewSpring can't carry Davey forever).

Anonymous said...

Heather uses violent imagery as well.

Her starbucks photo caption on 10/22/2016 says "Punching jet lag in the throat."
https://www.facebook.com/heather.k.semple/posts/615327135342000

Anonymous said...

Does anyone remember what time period Davey talked about "Financial Freedom" & Dave Ramsey as a catalyst for getting insurance on Amanda?

In the Red Cedar sermon, he says that they had financial coaching when they were first married with Joe Sangl.

Bingo3 said...

Fools! Unbelievable! He sold a house and broke even, (we know that from his past records) and then took out a 355,000 Mortgage of a 5,000 sf house with a swimming pool. I would not be happy if I had donated money to Davey. I never understood the ongoing donation page when there was no salary loss. Maybe to start a college fund in Weston's name and cover daycare for him. It was NEVER stated that was the plan and it played out exactly as I expected. Obviously there must have been a big insurance policy on her also. Thanks for that info. This is the first I have seen of this price and size of house! How her family is not more concerned about this, baffles me. Maybe they are. We have no idea.
I wish Amanda's family would start a foundation in her name. I feel like she is just barely remembered and it became all about brave, saintly Davey and lavishing up his lifestyle.

As far as Red Cedar, I think the "chick" pastor was just kidding. I think Davey was not. "And I am really, um grateful for this. (little mermaid video) I was bitter. Hehe This is like I am holding in my hand like 30 years of debt right here. Its like a mortgage, ya know what I mean," He seems to have no concept of how bad he sounds even if he were kidding. The OCD poster is correct I do believe. I think he has several match ups in MMI.
"I just told heather, i was like listen, you need to be a woman of integrity and clear up your debt and show your people you practice what you preach. You know what i mean?"

That was the least of my worries in that crazy sermon tho!

Anonymous said...

As far as Red Cedar, I think the "chick" pastor was just kidding. I think Davey was not. "And I am really, um grateful for this. (little mermaid video) I was bitter. Hehe This is like I am holding in my hand like 30 years of debt right here. Its like a mortgage, ya know what I mean," He seems to have no concept of how bad he sounds even if he were kidding. The OCD poster is correct I do believe. I think he has several match ups in MMI.
"I just told heather, i was like listen, you need to be a woman of integrity and clear up your debt and show your people you practice what you preach. You know what i mean?"


Maybe Heather was doing some damage control in advance, in a way. If she *hadn't* "paid her debt" before Davey got up before her congregation and started to speak (or call her out or throw her under the bus), it would not reflect as favorably.

Knowing they had that conversation on the phone, I guess while they were setting up his appearance at Red Cedar which I'm sure she by now regrets, she knew it was going to come up one way or the other. A preemptive strike was smart on her part.


About the house - going from a 1776 square foot house for three people living in it with one on the way ---> to a 5107 square foot house with a pool - for two people which turned out to be at least four (because of Derek and Ashley the live in housekeeper/nanny/ personal assistant/cook) and maybe more - - it's just pure and simple greed. The insurance policy must have been massive, the way he is going through the money. The T-shirt sales wouldn't have scratched the surface to pay for that SUV alone.

Hey Jude said...

Bobcat, I think it was in the interview with Perry Noble that Davey talked about Dave Ramsey giving him and Amanda financial advice.

Anonymous said...

He spilled a LOT during that first interview with PN. So, explaining WHY he had a big insurance policy on Amanda even though no one asked ... and they had already had financial counseling as newlyweds.

Me2l said...

Heather's words and perspective:

Does anyone here really believe she would have invited him to Red Cedar if she were anything but positive about Davey? She would not have described him in complimentary terms (and yes, she did) if she were taken aback by the mermaid tape.

It's truly about perspective and also, about what we want to believe. From the perspective here, it's easy to see the irony is missed, and there is nothing but evil Davey, but someone who knows him as well as his childhood babysitter (she's known him since he was 12 months old) feels comfortable enough to publically joke about the mermaid tape.

Really....what a non-issue. Also, what misinterpretation, which happens within skewed perspectives.

Me2l said...

$355,000 will soon enough not be big enough for him and his 'god' (ego).

As months turn into years, he will get much worse; progressively so, until the truth comes out.

October 30, 2016 at 5:50 PM




The insurance policy is concerning and very suspicious. I would think it would be a red flag.

Anonymous said...

Peter,

LIFE insurance. I never fully transcribed the Perry Noble Newspring interviews. CJ transcribed partials back in April. About 45 minutes into the video, it almost sounds like Perry is trying to pass Davey off as a prophet.

https://newspring.cc/sermons/youve-got-what-it-takes/youve-got-what-it-takes-to-get-through-this

45:00"PN: — no no no, and so automatically I’m, I’m, within the next day I’m like oh my gosh, Davey’s probably, I literally said this, is like Davey’s probably gonna’ move to North Carolina to be wi–, you know, closer to his parents, or he might move to Greenville, and I remember talking to you, and I didn’t even bring it up and you said, um, you said “I’m here. I’m in Indianapolis.” But there’s a reason, and it, at, at one time you thought it was a preparation conversation, [DB: Yeah,] but it looks, it’s more prophetic now [DB: yeah] than anything else. [DB: Yeah] Talk to us about that.

DB: Yeah so we were going through, uh right before Weston was born we were going through Dave Ramsey’s Legacy Journey, um if you’ve ever heard of Dave Ramsey I’m a huge Dave fan what Dave says I do, ‘cuz, he’s just brilliant, and so, we, he, he tells you you need to have conversations, right, you know, get your will together, life insurance together, all that kind of stuff and so it prompted, Amanda and I went for a walk, right before Weston was born and we started having conversations about, ‘kay what were, what would we do if, something were to happen to both of us? What would we do if, if, you know if it was, if something happened to you what would you want me to do and, and vice versa. And this is what she said. She said “Davey, if something were to ever happen to me I would want you to spend the rest of your life building this church and reaching this city.”

And in that moment you don’t feel like, you’re like I don’t, like why do I need to have these kinds of conversations but I am so glad right now that we had that conversation because about a week after she was killed I’m sitting here going, my, god called us here, I mean when you’re a married couple you’re one, and so I felt like half of my calling was gone and, and so now I’m, I’m wrestling with like what am I supposed to do, supposed to do and I remember that conversation and it was just this peace I said no, we’re, we’re supposed to continue to build this thing and reach people for Jesus."

http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/04/4242016-q-mr-attention-to-detail-leaves.html?m=1

Anonymous said...

I don't find having life insurance on a mother of young children unusual. That's actually smart.

There's another line in the Perry Noble interview that jumped out at me.

http://vimeo.com/164261879?from=outro-embed

10:24 "After November, I would have given up."

And from the Red Cedar sermon:

"Today I wanna, talk to you about, uh, um, a really important subject. I want to share my story with you. Some of you are familiar with it. I’ll get into it in just a second. Um, and I want to talk to you about, hurt. And I want to talk to you, more importantly, about, um, when you hurt; how to still have hope. And what hope looks like in the midst of hurt. Um because this past year has been, uh, a trial an- an- and a testing season for me, and frankly just a dark dark season that I would never wished upon myself or anybody else, but I didn’t have the choice an- and I’m walking through it, and I’m learning a lot, through it."

----------------

He didn't have the choice?
He allowed Amanda to die so his church could live.
Whose choice was it? @@

Anonymous said...

The choices:

Get a different job/kill Resonate.
Save Resonate/kill Amanda.

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Anonymous said...

HJ,

Thank you for transcribing! I've only made it through 15 minutes which is included here:

http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/10/10232016-red-cedar-church.html

Please add a copy in the comments if possible.

Hey Jude said...

Yes, you are welcome Bobcat. Do you have a word limit on comments, though - it's over 12000 words. If so, maybe I can send it to you some other way and you could post it. It's not ready yet - later, or tomorrow.

Super said...

About Peter's analysis of Perry Noble's Facebook Post:

"Pastor P" has announced his intention for his comeback. You were right.

Anonymous said...

Peter, if you do an article or comment on the transcription of Red Cedar, would you consider including analysis of Heather's introduction and the discussion of the VHS tape? I am learning SA and interested if order indicates priority in this case.


I wonder if Heather sought out and asked Davey to come speak at her church - or if he scraped the barrel (as described by someone else) and found his childhood babysitter in Wisconsin and he asked her if he could come to her church and share his story - and she didn't know how to gracefully say no - OR - she wanted to support and uphold the guy she knew as "good Davey".

It reminds me of the parents of a burglar in Honolulu who was shot dead by the homeowner in the middle of the night - and his parents were saying over and over in the paper and on the news "he's a good boy, such a good boy" - but if he was such a good boy, he wouldn't have been standing in the living room of a house in Manoa in the middle of the night armed with a gun and attempting to steal the homeowner's belongings.

People change. And things are not always what they seem to be on the surface.

Hey Jude said...

^^ Anon -I agree, it would be good if Peter were to analyse the intro - it is so interesting.

I think Davey invited himself and maybe used the Little Mermaid as some type of leverage - perhaps for a higher speaking fee, or something.

I think Anon at 5.29 has got it about right. I wonder if there's more there than is on show, which already seems like veiled hostility between them, to me. I am super suspicious of Davey though, and I acknowledge my own bias.

Leanne said...

Do you think Davey really wanted a "Little Mermaid" tape back that bad? Has anyone "examined" that phenomenon? Why did he really want that tape back?

Peter, I wonder why Amanda continued letting Davey be her suitor after he sent her a sword for Valentine's Day? Wasnt she freaked out? I would have felt threatened. Why didnt he get her chocolates, gift card for clothes, or jewelry or preferably all 3? I wonder if that is when Amanda decided to give him up for Lent. His V-Day gift was meant to terrorize her.

Anonymous said...

Davey said he and Gavin (Amanda's sister Amber's husband) wanted to marry girls who were best friends and hung out together all the time so THEY (Davey and Gavin) could hang out together all the time. They bought matching shirts (lots of them). To marry sisters would give them even more chance of keeping up their bromance. Straight or gay, it doesn't matter - the point is, Davey wanted to cruise with Gavin and getting married to Gavin's wife's sister Amanda would ensure that would continue.

And yeah I bet it stung BAD that Amanda gave up Davey for Lent, because she was basically giving up all contact with him for however long Lent lasts. They weren't seeing each other in person hardly at all. He has said multiple times that before they were married, they only spent like two straight weeks together in all the time they were dating - all the rest was long distance, phone calls, visits for like a day or two but nothing extended.

It would be easy for him to be charming and sweet and the life of the party guy in such limited interactions. Easy for her to tolerate whatever she wasn't sure about (with him) seeing him or such short timespans and talking on the phone. Once they were married and together all the time, it was a real wakeup call.

Anonymous said...

Right...but her only spending such limited amounts of time with him really calls into question WHY she would want to give him up for Lent. The sword gift through the mail for V-Day is super creepy and would freak most women out. Personally my reaction would have been "what the f&ck is this?" I would not have been able to hide my disgust. Im sure she felt he wasnt capable of nurturing her--that is such a piece of sh&t gift. I know w my ex he usually gave me great Valentine's presents but one time gave me a handmade thing (in addition to storebought things) and I was like "oh thats so sweet" but was really thinking "jewelry or clothes buddy". If someone gave me a sword Id be like "Stay away from me you friggin psycho". Honestly EVERY woman wants a nice Valentine's gift....jewelry, clothes or flowers. She doesnt want a f&cking sword.

Anonymous said...

Agree completely anon at 9:07pm. Including the f word. Totally a piece of sh!t gift, a sword, for your Valentine. I wonder how long he was thinking of the Braveheart movie and Mel Gibson's wife dying, before Amanda was killed.

I meant that it stung Davey that Amanda would give him up for Lent. I don't think it was hard for Amanda at all. I think it was a good excuse/ reason for her to take a step back and think if she really wanted to spend the rest of her life with this psycho. Maybe she wanted to see his reaction, how he handled it.

And I wouldn't be surprised if her parents, Amber and Gavin and even others were so positive about Davey and encouraged the marriage. On paper, it looked perfect, right? Path of least resistance and all that - and once Amanda was a certain distance into the relationship, it would've been easier to just move forward than pull back. The proposal she couldn't refuse, with her whole family behind him.




Me2l said...

Bobcat said...
I don't find having life insurance on a mother of young children unusual. That's actually smart.




.......except, in this case, a big payout was issued when the young mother was murdered. Convenient.

Of course, on the other hand, the fact DB was awarded the insurance benefits says that the company was satisfied he was not involved in the murder. Insurance companies investigate murder when it involves an heir and a big payout.

Like LE, they found no connection.

Anonymous said...

Anon, I guarantee she had already tried to break up with him BEFORE V-Day. The gift he sent was a not so subtle threat. Why do you think his "epic poem" he put in with the sword said "I will never stop fighting for your heart." I have also always believed the things he said in his sermons ie. God punching a partners teeth out and waving of gun were threats to Amanda, and she recognized them as such.

I am also deeply concerned about how Davey is treating Weston due to the toy room part of the sermon in combination w the "Little Mermaid" tape thing....something is very weird there and I cant quite put my finger on it. First of all, The "Little Mermaid" could nit have been stolen 30 yrs ago bc it hadnt even been made yet. That movie came out more like 20 yrs ago. Something is very off. I dont believe she "stole" that tape when she was babysitting Davey.

Anonymous said...

Like LE, they found no connection.

because he was "good enough to outsmart" them...or so he thinks.

So Scott Peterson thought.

So Drew Peterson thought.

His tell tale heart speaks.

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Anonymous said...

http://www.insurancequotes.com/life/life-insurance-foul-play

True, the insurance company would have/should have investigated before paying out. I am sure it didn't hurt matters that IMPD cleared Davey 150% within like 48 hours after Amanda was murdered - that would have influenced the insurance investigator somewhat. I wonder if benefits are ever paid out and then retracted if more information comes to light - see below list of red flags, bolded mine.


From the writeup linked above -
Most people who buy life insurance consider it a good way to ensure their family members will be able to pay off debts and maintain a decent standard of life once the policyholder has died.

Determining whether a death is suspicious -

Insurance companies look at a number of factors to determine whether a policyholder’s death may be suspicious, Quiggle says.

Examples include:

• The policy was taken out right before the victim’s death.

• The victim had several life insurance policies.

• The victim had no obvious reason to name the beneficiary who was poised to collect the payout.

The coverage was higher than the victim’s financial situation would require.

The surviving spouse didn't appear upset following the death.

The surviving spouse started wildly spending life insurance benefits.

• The surviving spouse's computer hard drive contains information about how to kill someone.


I am sure this life insurance policy on Amanda was far more than required to replace the income she was generating in her trash to treasures furniture restoration business (I intend no disparagement in describing what Amanda did - I think it's cool and I'm sure she enjoyed it greatly. But it's not like she was an attorney or doctor or they had four children or whatever). I am sure it was for far more than was required to just pay off debt and maintain a "decent" standard of living. Davey was the prime wage earner, they were most likely living on what he made with all the help they could get from Amanda.

Davey did not appear upset following the death - he was immediately saying the best is yet to come, doing his media blitz, smiling and laughing and strong.

And if anyone can't see he has been WILDLY spending since Amanda died, they're not looking. The house alone is so over the top - king Davey needed to live in a mansion with a pool, drive a bigger newer car, buy Weston expensive toys and buy new expensive clothes and shoes for both of them - World Series tickets (I hope Cleveland brings it home tonight, it's the bottom of the 6th with Cleveland down by 1 right now) - golfing in South Carolina, Nascar races, beach vacations in Florida and elsewhere, Israel, Montana, LA, it goes on and on - with humblebrags on Instagram and Twitter to document it.

The life insurance investigator had his/her head in the sand, so deeply. I wonder how fast it really paid out. I wonder if the life insurance investigator saw what Davey is doing now, if he/she would change opinions and dig deeper. I wonder which company wrote the policy on Davey's best friend's life.

Anonymous said...

Even if DB is eventually convicted of procuring Amanda's murder, Weston, as beneficiary, could still collect the insurance money...and whoever DB has named (unless contested) as guardian could spend as needed for Weston's care, if there's anything left after DB blows through it all. At the rate he is spending, it might not last more than a few years.

Hey Jude said...

Is Davey even thirty - he might be thirty. I think he would not appreciate the Little Mermaid as a tiny baby, so how and why is,it an issue to him? How would he even know his babysitter supposedly borrowed or stole a VHS tape at the time when he was an infant in diapers? It's weird.

Personally, I would not have said no to the sword either, if, as he claimed in an earlier episode, it was the actual one used in Braveheart - that might fetch a fair bit in the right auction. Though I probably would have split the proceeds with him, and split from him. It is an intimidating 'gift' - IMO Davey did not intend to remain married to Amanda. The poor girl was probably terrified of him, being made to watch endless repeats of Braveheart, with the avenging sword sitting in a corner somewhere, probably not ever for long enough to gather dust. Davey's method is intimidation - he can even use the Little Mermaid to intimidate. It would seem. Possibly. Or just am thinking that because I want to. It's a bit of a classic, going to be, that introduction, surely - like, what planet, really? Davey sulking over a Little Mermaid video is not the story, not the real one, anyhow, methinks.

Hey Jude said...

I wonder if he has insurance on Weston, or should one not wonder such a thing?

Anonymous said...

JH, I hadn't thought of that. He probably does. Anything over $15,000 is suspect imo.

Surely "30 years" is a minor embellishment to enhance the vision/story.

Anonymous said...

I dont think it was really a little Mermaid tape in there...I think it was drugs or some other videotape.

Hey Jude said...

Yes, only enough to cover a funeral should be allowed - it's weird US allows insurance on children, it must put some air risk from unscrupulous relatives.

I wonder if Davey is running out of cash:

'The Black Diamond Collection version of The Little Mermaid is going for over $8,000, and The Lion King for more than $4,000, but Aladdin is less in demand with the max of making $500, whereas Dumbo will only get you $100.'

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/161501/20160528/hit-jackpot-still-disney-movie-vhs.htm

Hey Jude said...

Wow, gonna dig out the old VHS tapes - my kids were not that big on Disney though.

Rosy said...

The Little Mermaid was released to US theaters on November 17, 1989 just 3 years shy of 30 years ago.

DB will be 31 this November. He and Amanda celebrated his 30th b/day, in Chicago, November 2 2015
https://www.instagram.com/p/9lp_PAL6QU/?taken-by=amandagblackburn

So, he was born November 1895. Home video of the Little Mermaid was released 6 months after the theaters, in May 1990, and became "that year's top-selling title on home video." A big rush to buy it -- out of over 10 million units sold that year, 7 million were snapped up in the first month.

So there we are, DB could have watched this movie first when he was four and half years old, nearly 30 years ago.

The account given at Red Cedar Church appears to be well with the limits of accuracy!

Anonymous said...

Anon wrote On another subject, (gay) posters on another board are making fun of Davey's hair at the Red Cedar appearance ("Oh God, the HAIR . . he is troubled!")

What board would that be? And how do the gay posters know about Davey? Hmmm.

Anonymous said...

Anon, DB has had datalounge threads on him since the beginning.

Smoking hot pastor's wife killed after failed robbery - Parts 1 through 7 as of today.

Part 7: https://www.datalounge.com/thread/17752942

Part 6: https://www.datalounge.com/thread/17035294

Part 5: https://www.datalounge.com/thread/16239486--smoking-hot-pastor-s-wife-killed-after-failed-robbery-part-5

Part 4: https://www.datalounge.com/thread/16131511--smoking-hot-pastor-s-wife-killed-after-failed-robbery-part-4

Part 3: https://www.datalounge.com/thread/16095370-smoking-hot-pastor-s-wife-killed-after-failed-robbery-part-3

Part 2: https://www.datalounge.com/thread/16075522-smoking-hot-pastor-s-wife-killed-after-failed-robbery-part-2

Part 1: https://www.datalounge.com/thread/16049523-smoking-hot-pastor-s-wife-killed-after-failed-robbery-

Bottle Cap said...

Wildly spending is correct. My guess over a half a million

New SUV $60,000
Renovations to the old house, new floors, new bathrooms $20,000+
New house $355,000 plus renovations including a complete kitchen and even changing out the stone in the fireplace, painting, $50,000+

Expensive new clothes, toys, lawn tractor, big screen tv, baseball-themed furniture, other new furniture, fancy headstone, fancy grill, lots of new shoes

As anon said, World Series tickets, golfing in South Carolina, Nascar races, beach vacations in Florida and elsewhere (at least 5), Israel, Montana, LA plus Daytona, Chicago more than once, Tennessee, Michigan multiple times, Wisconsin, Atlanta, South Carolina multiple times, Album producing and retreat in the mountains (2)

Crossfit membership, glamor photo shoot and vanity website, baseball games, lots of golf

Anonymous said...

And which one of those threads is the Davey's new hair comment in?

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Anonymous said...

Sickeningly deceptive. Ick!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
And which one of those threads is the Davey's new hair comment in?


This one ! - reply #53.

https://www.datalounge.com/thread/17752942--smoking-hot-pastor-s-wife-killed-after-failed-robbery-part-7


If you have the time, these Datalounge threads are worth reading from the very first thread all the way through. If I remember correctly, the first thread called Davey out as a closet queen.

Sirensong said...

From the Red Cedar sermon: Davey said "and so I just told Heather – I was like, “Listen, you need to, be a woman of your integrity, and clear up your debt, and, show your people that you practice what you preach”.  You know what I mean?  So...   No, I’m, I’m really really grateful."

That doesn't sound like joking or sarcasm to me. It's downright insulting! Over a little Mermaid tape? I don't think this is friendly chatter between CD and the "chick"


Also, CD was able to buy the big house before he sold Amanda ' s house. Where is all this money coming from? And this was bought less than 3 months after her murder. Yes, why is the Indy LE letting him get away with not even being investigated. Do they know they screwed up the crime scene? I sure wonder what Ashley and Derek know from just being around him for almost a yearnow.

Hey Jude said...

Derek does not look happy. Sad demeanour, slumped posture, and he looks to have gained weight. Life with Davey might not be a bed of roses.

Hey Jude said...

Sirensong - they are talking daggers at one another. There''s nothing friendly about it at all. She made Davey look foolish - she must have had a good reason to do that. It would be interesting to know if that is Davey's pattern of securing engagements. I think it might be quite telling - she's maybe putting out a signal.

What does Davey have on Perry? Kenneth? Derek? Ashley? Anyone who has ever had any friendship or relationship with him?

It's interesting how he mentioned a mortgage right there.

Anonymous said...

DB not only got insurance money, he also received many, many tax free contributions and he might still, as we write/blog, be receiving contributions. For all we know, his entire new home could've been a donation as well as the furniture. IMO.

Bobcat said...

Anon @ 9:24

"The proposal she couldn't refuse, with her whole family behind him."

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The proposal was a "crazy" (Davey's cousin's description) production, with both families invited to a big party after. Amanda could NOT say no.

This could explain why the Byars are sticking with him.
That he fooled all of them is too awful to bear.

Trudy said...

Hey Jude, it was interesting how CD chose to use the word mortgage. It's an odd usage of the word in that context. It sounded like a deliberate word choice, though. What is it in Latin, again? Oh yeah. Mortgage= Death pledge. Wtf is he on about?

Bingo3 said...

This is Davey talking about Weston: "His name is Weston, and he is the most adorable, toddler, ah- known to man. Right. Some. Some of you are like, “No, my kid was adorable.” No. No. Not- Not as much as Weston. Weston is THE cutest kid EVER. And that’s my opinion but I’m right. OK, so… I’ll prove it to you. This is a picture of Weston right here (shows photo on screen)." Picture is of Davey and Weston OF COURSE!

I thought it was typical Davey that he didn't put a picture of just Weston up. The picture was of him holding Weston with his muscles all flexed up. Davey always has to be in the picture. He is even in her obituary picture, funeral handout and all of the pictures on the news and around her casket. The obituary and funeral were about him. How come HIS best friend and his mentor did the funeral? Why wasn't it anybody from her life. Even Amanda's friend mom on FB was curious why there were no pictures of Amanda's friends or childhood life up? Didn't her family wonder why he did such a selfish funeral and has lived so selfishly and lavishly since she died. I hope they will finally stop supporting him and step up and fight for her legacy, Davey never will!!

Hey Jude said...

IDK. I wondered if his mortgage was on his mind, and that's all I have thought about it. I didn't know it meant 'death pledge' in Latin - on the plus side, it's quite unlikely that DB will know that either - well, he doesn't know much about some things. They don't learn Latin in Bible school, if even he went - he maybe got some NT Greek and a bit of Hebrew, but more likely the selected works of Billy Graham, at least if it was the type of school which fed into Newspring. I am just making this up - I don't know if even he went to Bible or Theology school, but I'd hazard a guess that he did not, or if he did, he didn't go to his classes.

Hey Jude said...

Yes, Bingo, I noticed that - he goes a bit OTT in his praise of Weston sometimes. I was disturbed to hear him say (Kensington talk) that he spanks Weston - he's only two. I know it's not uncommon in the US for parents to spank their children - but a toddler? That seems unnecessary, to me. Poor Weston, his mother is dead, his picky father is spanking him. Davey will probably say it didn't do him any harm, but I might beg to differ on that, at least if his attitude towards his father is anything to go by. .

Bobcat said...

HJ,

I disagree, DB knows word, roots, and meanings/slang/idioms VERY well.

On Monday, November 9th, he says he "kissed her goodbye".

I would bet a pile of money he is not talking about the literal sense. He wants us to interpret that, of course, but he KNOWS other meanings. He wrote her off on Monday as he completed the tasks that were swirling around in the agenda in his brain.

I also think that when he talks about spending time in "the word" on 11/10/2015, he is not talking about the bible. But, that's what he wants us to interpret.

Anonymous said...

On 11/29/2015, DB told the congregation (in his God/shower "impromptu" speech) this:

"I had a thought this morning in the shower and um felt like the Lord spoke to my heart and said “Davey I want my church, I want my bride to come alive. And if I’d asked you Davey before this if you were willing to give up your bride so that my bride could come alive what would you have said?”.

Hmmf. And course just like anybody I said “absolutely not. There’s no way. I’m good. I’m good with being married and with having two little kids and with pastoring a church of 120 for the rest of my life. I’m good with comfort.” And the Lord said, “that’s why I didn’t ask you the question beforehand”. Because sometimes when you say ‘I I surrender all’ you really mean ‘I surrender some’ until you’re put into a situation where you have to surrender all.

And, um, I I wanna share with you just real quick something the Lord has, spoke to my heart just right there, [pointing to pews] and I feel it would be disobedient for me not to share it.

And so I’m used to having carefully crafted phrases and sentences and speaking things that are powerful into people’s life because the Lord has allowed preparation and he hasn’t allowed that right now and so, I want to ask for your grace in all of this but…


The Lord brought my attention to Ezekiel, the prophet, that God used in a mighty way, to speak into the heart of his, of his kids. And he brought me to the passage in Ezekiel chapter 37, where he brought Ezekiel to the top of a mountain and he looked over across the valley and there was dry bones.
"

http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/08/11292015-god-talks-to-davey-in-shower.html

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He shows a NTP that he didn't prepare his remarks in advance.
They just "came" to him while he was sitting there in the pew.

Bingo3 said...

Davey sure likes to have himself in a place of power overlooking things doesn't he? He is so twisted. This is one scary man.

Compares himself to Ezekial (while he was preaching and looking out to his FNL's congregation thinking they were all a bunch of dry bones): "where he brought Ezekiel to the top of a mountain and he looked over across the valley and there was dry bones."

Compares himself to Jesus:(talking about himself standing on balcony looking down at the crime scene) "In that moment I imagined, somewhat involuntarily, her kneeling on the floor and looking up to see her Savior standing in the spot where I now stood, clothed in radiance and splendor, arms open to receive her homecoming."

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