Peter Hyatt on "Crime Wire": The Murder of Amanda Blackburn
February 23, 2017, Peter Hyatt will be a guest on "Crime Wire" live broadcast, and will be taking your calls and questions at 9am to 1030AM EST.
Amanda Blackburn was a victim of a sexual homicide in which arrests have been made.
Questions, however, remain in one of the most bizarre 'solved' murder cases of recent years.
Peter Hyatt will share analysis of the case, including deception detection techniques, and what this may mean for justice.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 4313 Newer› Newest»DW here. I'm going to keep the information of who received the dossier confidential. Davey posts here so don't want him getting any heads up, as he has been know to be proactive when someone points out discrepancies and inconsistencies. Just reading his immature/hysterical reaction to the cell tower pings not matching up and his anger directed at those that want to hear the 911 call confirms that he doesn't need to know who has the dossier.
Yeah DW, far better to let Davey's imagination run rampant . . .
. . . wondering how far the dossier has been distributed and to what type of media - investigative reporters for print, television, radio - internet sites - law enforcement (IMPD, FBI) - all of whom now have all of that information that exposes Davey's changing stories and feelings toward Amanda and actions before and since she was murdered.
It's like a bag of feathers shaken into the wind ! - there would be no way to collect all of them.
Even if Davey knew right this second which entities and people had the dossier - and could start doing his proactive damage control on his blog and in his talks onstage like he has been doing from the very start - all it takes is one feather loose in the wild to undo everything he so carefully crafted leading up to Amanda's murder (aka when she said "yes", accepted God's agenda for her life and that He was the author of "this story" and led the way in surrender just after praying that God would just use them in a really big way). . . four years to the dayafter they landed in Indy to start Resonate.
. . . four years to the day after they landed in Indy to start Resonate.
Seriously, what are the chances of this happening exactly four years to the day ?
Davey would have done better to omit that detail too - nobody would have had to know that it was four years to the day - but it was part of the dots that God was connecting and it made for a better and more poignant story, yes? Sweet caring Amanda killed as a result of gang violence in the city (Davey's words) just four years to the day that she and her pastor husband came to Indy to plant a church and rescue the city - but he forgives them and wants to reach them for Christ. Sure.
Random thugs from across town allegedly finding the house with an unlocked door at the very end of a random culdesac during the exact timeframe the husband was away at the gym for a much shorter time than usual (like Raven Abaroa coming home and finding his wife) - then not stealing much of anything but taking the time to beat the homeowner, knock out teeth and shoot her three times - once to the back of the head - on that exact date? - and then Kenneth Wagner chooses that date to tweet about his conversations when Davey was cruising on the driveway for so long after he got back from the gym - while Amanda was helpless inside the house?
Chances would be better of finding a four leaf clover growing in a rock quarry.
I would still like to know why Davey told Perry Noble and Amanda's family and his family to pray for Amanda, she has a head wound, maybe she was hanging something and fell from the ladder, I dunno, um - with no mention of "ok maybe we just lost the baby right here, but um" to any of them.
And when you add in the chance that
- Davey told the 911 dispatcher everything he saw when he walked in
- and yet that this dispatcher was so inept that they only sent IFD Engine 12 to the Blackburn house
- that this dispatcher knew Amanda's shirt was pulled up and underwear laid beside her - that her teeth had been knocked out and lip split and that she was bruised and beaten to the point that she would have been unrecognizable to her brother in law if not for the family in the room - that she was lying in a pool of blood and with wounds to the left arm and upper back/shoulder and had severe trauma to the back of the head which would have been obvious no matter whether Davey "had no idea there were bullets" or not - that there were earbuds and credit cards scattered around and a smokes package on the counter that didn't belong in the residence
- and if knowing all of this after being told by Davey, that 911 dispatcher didn't roll IMPD to an active crime scene along with the paramedics, especially when IMPD was already on the way to - or already onsite at - Alison Becker's residence just a few houses down investigating her burglary?
Chances would be better of finding a four leaf clover growing in a rock quarry at midnight with no moon and without a flashlight.
And this is why Davey has to keep saying his first honest thought was that something had gone wrong with the pregnancy
and
that he had no idea anyone had been in his house
Because Davey did not report a home invasion to the 911 dispatcher. Obviously.
DW- I guess I'm just wondering if you got any responses from it. Like "Wow, thank you" or anything like that.
Anon @ 2:09PM,
Yes, got positive feedback from several. More eyes are looking at the circumstances surrounding this case than just the people here and at Datalounge, that is for sure.
DW- Thank you! That's awesome! A relief to some extent.
It is laughable that Davey still thinks that his book is going to be huge and that people are going to be comforted by His Story. He thought once Amanda died, no one would question a young pastor. Everyone would jump on board to the Nothing is Wasted story. He would have overnight wealth and fame. Sure, Amanda died, but she will be fine in the party portal of heaven, cheering Davey on as he brings revival to the world. The thing is, beside a few thousand brainwashed Newspring types, most people don't buy the story and see Davey as a villain. If his book is ever published, I see it in the Dollar Store bin within 6 months. l
I don't think a publisher will touch the book after Davey's lies and changing stories are exposed to the world.
And Davey has been able to console himself (and try to convince himself) that there are only two or three bottom feeder parents' basement dwellers following his case and posting on one lone message board and calling attention to him. But there are definitely more eyes on this case from the beginning than Davey wants to admit and WAY more eyes on it lately thanks to dossier writer.
One might say that exponentially more eyes are on Davey's ever changing story now thanks to DW than EVER would have been on it without the dossier. Just like Davey said that Amanda impacted exponentially more people through her death than she ever could have hoped to impact in her lifetime had she lived.
I hate this guy so much.
Oasis Audio is Davey's publisher. They focus on publishing stories that "uplifts, inspires and encourages positive values and personal growth". You can pre-order Davey's book on Amazon. If you read the book description, it will have you scratching your head for the billionth time with regards to this case. They have the release date as March of 2018.
The audio version is being released by Oasis Audio. The book version is by Simon and Shister and still shows a release date of 2025.
eww, there is an audio book?? Does that mean it will be read by Crazy Davey??
I just looked it up on Amazon and it recommended Jack the Ripper underneath the title! the irony
I would hope they would find a better reader, but anything is possible.
Hey Bingo, what do you make of the facebook pic (on amber's fb), at the wedding, Davey has his hand on Kristi's back. It appears it was after the wedding, but he isn't wearing a wedding band. Thought that was odd? Maybe it was taken before the wedding.
Why does Amber feel such a need to crawl up Davey's a**?! Her thank you to Davey for allowing them to be at the wedding was just slightly over the top.
"A True Story of blah, blah, blah....". A true story from DB? Highly doubtful.
"Product description
A heart-wrenching yet inspiring story of a man wrestling with loss, grief, and forgiveness after the murder of his wife, and how he discovered that God always has a bigger purpose in our pain.
On November 11, 2011, Davey and Amanda Blackburn loaded up a moving truck and drove from Greenville, South Carolina to Indianapolis, Indiana to start Resonate Church, a place they hoped would bring new life to a city and reach people who didn’t know God.
Almost four years later on November 10, 2015, the unspeakable happened: Davey came home from the gym to find that his wife, who was pregnant, had been shot three times during a burglary gone wrong in their home. Thankfully, their fifteen-month-old son was left unharmed in his bedroom upstairs. Amanda passed away twenty-four hours later.
The story hit headlines across the country, and the months following Amanda’s death brought Davey to the lowest level in his life. Nothing Is Wasted is the deeply moving story of Davey’s journey of despair and hardship, hope and healing, and how he discovered firsthand that God has a bigger purpose in our pain. It is through this tragedy and Davey’s brokenness, forgiveness, and willingness to share his story that God’s presence and healing power allows triumph, victory, and restoration to have the last word.
About the Author
Davey Blackburn is the founding and lead pastor of Resonate Church, located in Indianapolis, Indiana. He and his late-wife, Amanda, moved there in 2011 after serving on staff at NewSpring Church in Anderson, South Carolina, under Pastor Perry Noble. He is passionate about seeing people meet Jesus and helping them discover their God-given purpose in life. He has one son, Weston. Nothing Is Wasted is his first book."
Hi all, The volume, tone, inflections, lip smacking, and weird " spitty" noises in DB's voice, make him torturous to listen to; throw in the, always inappropriate humor, bizarre and tuneless song snippets, misquoted biblical references, the lewd suggestiveness, pauses for applause and repeated calls to " come on, somebody, come on!" Make him the perfect choice to narrate his own word vomit, I mean audio book.
Wouldn't it be interesting if the book contained something incriminating? Out of the abundance of the heart, and all that.
DB needs to update his bio.
DB was writing a book when Amanda was murdered. In fact, Tuesdays were his writing days, according to him. (Remember he said he was up at 4:30am because it was his "long day", despite the fact that his "long day" consisted of nothing more than a trip to the gym, an hour on the phone to KW and the rest of the day spent writing - and then family night.)
I wonder whatever became of the book DB was writing at the time of Amanda's murder.
Hmmm. I just thought of something. DB said that he was annoyed with himself for not packing his gym bag properly, necessitating a trip back home to shower.
If he intended to go straight from the gym to Starbucks to write his opus magnum, (as was his custom) he would have packed his computer, wouldn't he? Yet his MacBook pro was left behind, and was one of the few things stolen from his house (with DBs unfinished manuscript on it??!!)
I don't know. It may well be that DB wrote his book, long hand, into a journal, rather than typing it. I wonder if he took a pen and paper, then, that Tuesday morning, before he left the house.
Who else would read it for nothing? Emily's voice, although pretty, has an odd twisty twangy dialect that would never work. You know Davey doesn't pay for anything unless it's a single ticket to the ballet or a Hawk Nelson concert. He somehow manages to dig deep for one big date before the marriage proposal event. God forbid Davey propose in private in case his victim wants to decline. Nope, there will be an audience and she will say "Yes" on cue, or else. Rejection = Death.
He's got all the equipment and isn't going to pay anyone else to do it. He'll read it.
"Nothing is Wasted," a book on how to live all of your unfilled dreams once your wife is out of the picture. Maximize life insurance payout. Buy the home of your dreams. Redesign it. Love Chip and Joanna? Me too. Hire that interior designer. Vacation twice a month. Tired of having to answer to your wife? Want to start a "church"? This story can help with you that as well. Couple this book with Dave Ramsey's book on Legacy Living, or this plan will NOT work. Contact me directly to find help in making sure your wife's life is wasted so yours doesn't have to be....(I know people who know people).
Dedication: This book is dedicated to Cheese and J Wat and boys.
Can't get over the wedding pics. I'm late in chiming in on this, but Davey And Amanda had a double wedding, if memory serves me correct, it was to save on expenses.
This wedding between Kristi and Davey seemed to spare no expense. Did Kristi have two dresses or did the top section somehow detach? Her dress is very different in the reception pictures. Phil looks 10 sheets to the wind, etc. etc. etc.
I keep seeing and hearing Davey refer to Kristi as "babe" and it is eerily creepy to me in that he used it so often with Amanda when he needed to validate to others he cared for his wife. It's a common term of endearment, but hard to understand why he would use the same nick when there are so many to choose from.
Where are you see the wedding pics at?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10214567861692025&set=pcb.10214567868892205&type=3&theater
Amber's fb
"Davey and Kristi! We can’t ever begin to thank you for including us and allowing us to be a part of this special day. "
Amber can't ever (does she mean even?) begin to thank them. If she can't, I certainly won't say it for her.
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I wonder how Kristi feels about corporal punishment. If Davey removes the diaper, before spanking Weston's, 3 year old, tush, (the better to inflict pain) I can't imagine he will "spare the rod" on little Natalia.
Also, anyone who claims a four year old child has "Beyoncé sassiness" needs intervention. Davey Blackburn has serious issues.
Laurel Hall is historical and very beautiful. Interesting that Davey could scramble and get that place in such a hurry. I wonder if Laurel Hall has availability like that, with such short notice. Most places around here go quickly, some you have to reserve a year or more in advance, especially true of winter weddings.
Davey got himself a discount (what else is new?), due to off season, but I bet the price tag was still mighty hefty when all was said and done. Very interesting since it was Davey himself who stated weddings were a waste of money and he barely remembers anything from his wedding to Amanda. He mocked it, now he pulls out all the bells and whistles. Amazing.
https://wwcdn.weddingwire.com/vendor/50001_55000/53404/pricing/1512057576-1688395952cf7325-Laurel_Hall_-_Rental_Fees_2019.pdf
Kristi looks older than DB.
A place like Laurel Hill would need to be booked at least 6 months out. Christmas time is a popular time for weddings. VERY doubtful that this was done in a month. It was very fancy and formal as can be seen by what everyone was wearing including Amber. I am sorry but Amber saying what a privilege it was to be a part of the big day is just "off" to me. Davey And K should have married quietly at the courthouse. It seems insensitive to have such a big, expensive wedding within two years of first spouse getting brutally murdered. Cold, callous, off-setting and the public response was very negative. Less chance for book sales. He thought waiting to rip that ring off after a year and pretending to meet K just a few months ago, getting married because she loved Jesus more than him would fly with the public. NOT! No many people are buying that lie. He may have gotten away with a murderous hit and obviously took a ton of donations but it will never turn into fame and long term fortune for him. Church still tiny, book will be at dollar store, only speaking engagements are RV dealers, churches don't ask anymore, podcast bleh, hitman stare him down at court, etc. He still acts deliriously happy to be enjoying his new rich lifestyle and replacement wife but the disappointment level must be high for his "Nothing is Wasted" campaign.
The wedding was on a Sunday. Maybe that's why he was able to book it?
Only speaking engagements are set because of Byars and Wilkinson RV industry connections. Gavin's employment connects DB to the top execs of Thor Motor Coach.
Davey's speaking engagement in March is promoted in part by the Elkhart Community Fund, which is where donations to the Byars in Amanda's name are parked.
Shotgun wedding? Time will tell.
Was it dark on Nov 10, 2015 at 6:30am? Amanda was up and the lights would have been on. Not an ideal home to break into.
Also, LE initially said the dark colored SUV was involved, even swabbing it for DNA. Has LE commented on the SUV since that akwatd presser?
http://wishtv.com/2015/11/18/detecti...ckburn-killer/
Was it dark on Nov 10, 2015 at 6:30am? Amanda was up and the lights would have been on. Not an ideal home to break into.
That's just ONE of the reasons this case bothers people - because the time of day that it happened and the exact precision of the timeframe when Davey was gone and then returned smacks of a planned hit - a carefully plotted and orchestrated event - and not a random burglary.
At that time of the morning people would have been out running, taking out trash, leaving for work. The chances of getting seen would have been huge. These thugs who allegedly attacked and shot Amanda walked straight in through an unlocked front door at that time of the morning, as opposed to going in a back window or door as in the other burglaries that morning.
And they walked in during the exact time Davey was gone. Some have argued that they saw him leave - but would they take a chance on walking in straight through the front door and encountering a maybe-awake wife - instead of waiting until dark and coming in through a back door?
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/indianapolis?month=11&year=2015
It was still dark out.
Y'all know DB in all his narcissism wouldn't want to live with a brain-dead wife if she survived the gun shot wounds.
It's an excellent question - were the lights on in the house that morning? and we don't know the answer.
If DB left the front door unlocked because " she was about to get up anyways" wouldn't he have left the lights on in the house for the same reason?
I think he turned on the light for himself when he got up at 4:30, and then turned off the light when he left, and left his pregnant wife and child asleep in a dark house behind an unlocked door.
I have wondered if the turning on and off (maybe a few times) of the light was the signal for the killer to enter. And where oh where was Mel?
I amazed anyone could think Amanda's murder was random. It was so obviously planned.
Didn't a report come out from police documents that said she was in the kitchen when they entered the home?
Sunrise on November 10th, 2015 was 7:23 am https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/indianapolis?month=11&year=2015
If it was still dark, as Anon @6:17 PM verified, then the "randomness" of this "burglary" is nonexistent. As Anon @7:04PM stated, a police report said Amanda was awake and in the kitchen when the "burglary" began.
Trudy, LE said Mel was locked up in a room when they showed up and was so happy to be let out that he gave them licks. He had no blood on his paws so he was obviously locked up the whole time, otherwise he would have instinctively gone to help Amanda. "Mel literally never leaves my side" (Amanda's words).
I believe that Mel would have defended Amanda if she'd been able. DB knew that, too. That's why Mel was locked up, and DB didn't feed her, or let her out to relieve herself or even pat her from 4:30 am until 6:10. (Unusual for a pet owner but not a sociopath) I wonder where Mel usually slept and what Megs might have to say about that, considering she lived with the Blackburn's.
Mel being locked away, unable to defend Amanda is yet another pointer towards who orchestrated Amanda's murder. Davey Blackburn. How lucky do burglars have to be to, not only, have an unlocked front door to waltz through, but have large and loyal dog of the homeowner, locked away?
I recently linked an article here about Boxer dogs and their loyalty to owners. Specifically, over 80% of owners believed that boxers were good guard dogs - alert, threatening bark/growl, large size - and several said the breed would lay their lives down for their owners.
DB locked Mel away, deliberately, as sure as he left the front door unlocked. There is nothing about Amanda's murder that was random.
This may have already been discussed and I missed it, but what theories do you all have about the reason DB was late to the gym?
Was it he wanted to make sure that Amanda was awake to avoid the robbers going upstairs and looking for her in Weston's room? If one of the robbers (Taylor) was high on drugs and possibly drunk, he may have had decided to do something to Weston, even if it was not part of the plan.
Captain Converse (?) seemed to call deliberate attention to the dog being glad to see them in the presser - also said if I remember correctly that the dog came bounding out of the bedroom?
And I posted a YouTube link on the other thread of Davey back in 2010 trying to hold Mel down while Amanda was calling her - big strong Davey couldn't hold Mel back from getting to Amanda. She was a strong dog.
Here is is again - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPtaIWQ9pVw
Anon@7:19 Amanda also said that Mel was part of the family. Clearly DB did not feel the same way. He couldn't get rid of Mel fast enough.
Did any neighbors report a dark barking loudly?
Thanks Flightful. I hadn't seen that. How sad. DB locked Mel away, that morning, it's obvious. DB makes a big song and dance about adhering to what Amanda would have wanted if "something were to happen" to her. It's impossble to believe she would have wanted him to give her " other baby" as she referred to Mel, away.
I don't know why DB was late leaving or wtf he was doing in, the house for over 90 minutes that morning. He has not accounted for that time except to say that he spent some time "in the word" and grabbed his gym bag/clothes. That's it. That's his only account of what he was doing before he left the house. He doesn't mention the other occupants of the house, Amanda, Weston or Mel at all. It's very weird. Maybe those details will be in his book. I doubt it. His silence on such matters speaks volumes.
I have heard two different stories about Allison Becker. One neighbor said she was out of town a lot. Someone else alluded to her working nights. Does anyone know why Allison B did not get home until 8:20am? Has Allison B commented publicly about Amanda's murder? Was Allison B a member of Resonate?
Not sure about Allison Becker, but another neighbor, Amanda Cummings attends Resonate.
Did a quick google search on Alison Becker. She's 42, single and very intelligent. She is Manager of Public Policy for a utlilty company and appears to travel a lot for work. Her FB page seems to indicate she travels a lot for pleasure as well. She's got a lot of degrees, including workibg on a law degree. She's way too smart to sit through a DB sermon. She was a mark because she was single, traveled a lot and her dog had passed away.
He doesn't mention the other occupants of the house, Amanda, Weston or Mel at all.
Except that while Davey was cruising on the couch spending ten minutes in the Word (I hate that expression, as opposed to saying "reading the Bible") - he prayed for safety for Amanda and Evie, that God would protect them.
This has been mentioned several times in the past - shoot, at this point, many things have been mentioned a hundred times - but WHY did Davey not pray for Weston that morning too - along with Amanda + Evie ? I mean, if you've got the presence of mind to pray for part of your family, why not include all of them ?
Did Davey for some reason feel that Amanda and Evie were in danger but Weston wasn't?
Or did it make a better (more poignant, to use my one of my favorite words to describe the picture Davey is trying to create) story afterward for him to say that he had prayed for Amanda and Evie that morning before he grabbed his gym clothes / grabbed his gym bag and flew out the door?
And remember at that time, it was too early to know uh, the gender (tm WTHR interview) - "Evie" aka Everette Grace wasn't named Evie yet. It was just an unborn baby who didn't even merit a mention in Davey's initial statements - nameless and faceless and nonexistent until we started commenting that he never mentioned the baby. "Evie" was created because Davey decided the baby would be a girl so he could use the middle name Grace to just keep a little piece of Amanda in that - so transparent, so conniving, so shameless, this guy.
It would have pointed out the power of God more nicely if he had said he prayed for Weston's safety and Weston was fine - still upstairs, still in his crib um, up in his crib behind the still-closed door, softly cooing. In spite of the carnage going on downstairs. Nothing to see here folks - Weston saw nothing.
Yet Davey walked in to Amanda lying on the floor in a pool of blood and his greatest nightmare was sitting right in front of him. Interesting that Amanda was both lying and sitting, yes?
Amanda was lying and Weston was sitting. Both downstairs on the living room floor? Amber says "why did it have to happen in front of Weston. . . I mean I know he was upstairs, but. . . . "
Time will tell where Weston was. Time will tell what Weston remembers.
Davey got home around 7:20am and cruised on the driveway talking to Kenneth Wagner until almost 8:20am - he went inside at some point and called 911 at 8:22am. And apparently he didn't see anyone leave the house while he was sitting there - and we are meant to think that whatever happened to Amanda happened while Davey was at the gym (yes, we know, we know).
Are Davey's and Amber's statements in blog posts and Facebook posts - saying more than once that Weston wakes up at 8am on the dot - meant to assure everybody that Weston would've been asleep until 8am so he wouldn't have been awake and able to see all of the bad things happening to his mom?
The reverse side of that is that Weston woke up at 8am on the dot, wondered where his mom was, climbed out of his crib and went in search of her and found her and sat by her.
It's one thing for a baby to get of a crib But getting out of a crib and going downstairs? I don't think he was old enough to do that.
So they planned their wedding in a month. kristi is a Med student $$$, Heard her proclaim herself as a perfectionist. Heard she had them re do her bouquet three times. She seems like someone in it for the fame. Heard him talking about how Tragic it was that he bought himself and groomsmen cuff links by none of them had shirts with cuff link holes 😂
Did you possibly hear him telling the story about Kristi signing her maiden name and Davey scolded her, telling her she's a Blackberrrrn now? Because he told almost that exact same story about Amanda as well. Must be getting tough to keep the stories straight. I guess nothing is wasted, he even recycles his stories.
Allison Becker is on the witness list, so with a bit of luck we will hear where she was, what time she usually got home, what the state of the house was, whether the beer and wine bottles were hers or had been brought in, and what was on the security cam.
The chances of burglars driving to the only unoccupied house on a cul de sac, early on Tuesday morning, feeling confident enough to sit around drinking and fart arsing about, coupled with the Blackburn's unlocked front door, AND a safely locked away dog, must be astronomical. What lucky, lucky burglars!
DB planned the murder too well. It defies logic that Amanda's murder was the result of a random burglary. Just look at the timing of the 911 calls.
Despite the murder and burglaries occurring hours and hours beforehand, both DB and Allison Becker called 911 within minutes of each other. What are the chances of that?
We know that KW and DB talked on the phone every Tuesday between 7:00 and 8:00am. So why, on the murder morning, did DB keep KW on the line for an additional 20 minutes, (in the driveway with a full view of Allison Becker's driveway) and only terminated the call when Allison Becker got home? God, it's so obvious. That's why I say DB planned it too well. At a certain point it becomes impossible to believe this series of events was coincidental.
You're right, Flightful. Most of this had been said before, and may very well be said again. I'm thinking it might be like a "magic eye" picture. You stare at it and stare at it and can't make sense of it, then, as you continue to stare, your perspective shifts imperceptibly, and suddenly you can see the whole picture, clearly. It's worth the effort to persevere, and have the truth revealed.
I think I know why Davey was cleared 100%, no 150%, before any suspects were arrested. Then Governor Mike Pence went to Amanda's funeral.Mike Pence attends College Park Church in North Indy (https://www.thedailybeast.com/mike-pences-fellow-parishioners-are-furious-at-donald-trump)
Kevin Kern, an elder at the church, is a detective for IMPD (http://www.yourchurch.com/about/staff-elders/)
In Nov 2015, College Park Church gave Davey money from a "benevolence" fund:
In November, we collected a benevolence
offering with a focus on benefiting the
Davey Blackburn family and Resonate
Church in light of Amanda Blackburn’s
tragic death. Funds went to support a meal
where their community gathered together
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:KwZavKdKMdEJ:mediafiles.yourchurch.com.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/a/0e4852797_1454360359_annualreport2015revweb.pdf+&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
This church is near Davey's church.
Governor Pence also made Rick Hite from the IMPD the Executive Director of Indiana Civil Rights Commission
https://twitter.com/govpencein/status/702932673153478656
It is obvious there was some cover up early on. The chances are quite small to any logical person that this was a random murder. It seems the Byars fell in line with the cover up as well. I think the only way anything changes is if an investigative reporter puts a story out on the case or if the defense attorneys decide to thoroughly do their job.
Anon 8:15. The Daily Mail put the story out recently. There were over a thousand comments questioning Pastor Davey Blackburn's involvement in Amanda's murder within hours. I'm not sure how much an investigative reporter can do.
If defense attorneys do their job, they will secure a not guilty verdict for their DG and/ or LT, regardless of whether they murdered Amanda or not. That is their job. They are not necessarily interested in the truth. They are interested only in acquittal.
Journalists and defense attorneys can only affect Douche Bag's credibility and reputation. Only law enforcement can build a case and charge the murderous bastard. And then, of course, he has the presumption of innocence until he's tried in court of law before a jury of his peers.
Davey posted an instastory where one of his staff members updated the Resonate website. She improved the giving page saying it would be much easier for peeps to donate to the church. Davey was like yeahhh! and started laughing. Gag me. How many poor souls still donate to him and the church. I would personally be appalled if I had donated my hard earned $ to him, only to have him buy a mansion, go on lavish trips, join a country club and throw a fancy wedding two years later for his replacement wife. (who he is so blessed to do life with.) Also, remember the blog where he said that he just threw away religious gifts received, he preferred money or gift cards. I mean come on, peeps, wake up and stop giving him your money!
I do know this case is beyond strange. Have a look at Amanda's crimestopper poster, then look at other homicide posters from the Indy crimestoppers page. Notice all the glaring discrepancies when compared to other homicide posters they have done? Why does Amanda's poster simply say she was killed? Very little info on her poster compared to other homicides and one big difference is Amanda's poster doesn't even include the word "homicide" like the other posters, no surveillance pic included, no description of the perp(s). No mention of guns, of her being shot, etc. It just basically says "she was killed" and if you have info, forward it. Very odd indeed.
I never understood why that reward money remained at a puny one grand. All those donations pouring in and yet, they never once upped the reward money. Most likely because people would have started singing and I'm not sure they wanted that.
Yes,the Crimestopper poster was so strange. Davey was rolling in donations but never tried to up the money nor did the police, Amanda's family (most shocking). Early acceptance, no real urgency to find the killers by everyone. And then a few weeks later and the case is wrapped up with a pretty bow. The three teenagers just wanted more $. Nothing to see here.
Yes and this extremely Christian family that goes deep into their roots on both sides, says, "meh go ahead and pull the plug, there's no hope" in just 24 hours. Google, "brain dead patients who woke up". They were praying so hard for a miracle? They pulled that plug in record time, despite all their talk about hope, prayer and miracles.
So the Governor of Indiana and an IMPD detective are leaders of a church that sent Davey and Resonate tens of thousands of dollars shortly after Amanda's murder and we're supposed to believe that Davey was heavily investigated? Um, OK. I'm not even sure at this point if IMPD bothered to check the videotape at LA Fitness.
Definitely a tainted investigation
Y'all know DB in all his narcissism wouldn't want to live with a brain-dead wife if she survived the gun shot wounds.
Maybe that was why the plug was pulled so soon - nobody wanted to have that happen. Talk about worst nightmares - seriously. Suspended in between earth and heaven.
It was far better for Amanda for them to expedite her entrance into the party portal of heaven and let her be safely with Jesus holding Evie in her arms.
BUT - what if Davey was afraid Amanda would wake up and tell what she saw, tell what happened between Sunday night and Tuesday morning ?
That would be a far more important reason in his mind to go ahead and pull life support.
"BUT - what if Davey was afraid Amanda would wake up and tell what she saw, tell what happened between Sunday night and Tuesday morning ?"
I'm pretty sure her horrific injuries told that story.
It also makes Perry's eulogy quote all the more pertinent, where he insisted that nobody knew a week earlier that they would all be there for Amanda's celebration on the 15th.
I wonder how far in advance the Byars booked their trip out west. It's odd how Phil described it as a bucket list trip, when another month later, he went again out west with James for another high adventure. And Amber was at the Florida beach just a few weeks earlier in October.
There was a LOT of travel compressed into everyone conveniently being out of town (except for Amber, who placed herself WITH Amanda except for Monday morning when Davey kissed her goodbye in the bathroom) during Amanda's evil, putrid execution.
"I'm not having to deal with, certain types of pain, that other people are dealing with that I think are actually harder to deal with. Like the pain of divorce."
Nobody divorces a Blackburn, and Pastor's daughters don't get divorced.
They deaden their discernment with "cold medicine" and submit.
Kate-
Are you working on another video? They seem to really get people interested who may not be as fully interesting as we here on the SA are.
Wbiie there is no denying that DB is crazy with his lifestyle, disregard for others, lack of empathy, and narcissism, is it possible that he could just be running from the situation to forget it? Maybe it is easier for him to not deal with the pain and guilt he may have then to deal with it. Maybe he is guilt free (I don't think he is) but say he is. How do we stop someone from thinking his odd behavior post-Amanda is strictly just "who he is" and doesn't indicate guilt?
The videos of behavior for the murder, the coincidences surrounding the murder. That's what I can come up with. I think at this stage in the game, we've uncovered everything there is to uncover and we have to look at how we can build awareness of what we know without someone having to read multiple threads on multiple webpages. Kate's videos are one main source. I'm starting to fear that DB could get away with this. I think we need to work hard to do what we can during the months we have leading up to the trial. I'm happy to help, but am not sure how to.
DB is a fame whore who would go to the opening of an envelope. Quick, grab your copy of Mila for half price, everyone, so you can read what the Douche Bag has to say to, and about, women. He's such an expert. But don't expect it to be free of charge. Don't be ridiculous. You have to pay for DBs pearls of wisdom.
daveyblackburnThank you, @mila_magazine for letting me contribute to this issue. Head to their website to pick up the issue for 50% off the next 2 days only!
Oh my gosh, yeah, some magazine that just came out, that needs help to get going. He probably asked them if he could write an article for it for free just so he can add that to his resume.
You’ll learn why we open our Bibles along with some beautiful tips and tricks to hiding God’s word in your hearts from Retha Nicole. You’ll also hear from Davey Blackburn whose words were written specifically for the man in your life.
Seriously? What a joke. This coming from him?!! Who wants to buy this and transcribe it to add to the record. Ten dollars at half off? Doubtful.
Bloody hell. Who is Retha Nicole and why do we have to hide God's word in our hearts from her? Just kidding. But if that ambiguous statement is indicative of the sort of " contributions" made by writers, it's a pretty low brow publication.
Douche Bag doesn't do anything for nothing - there's always some ulterior and slimy motive - it usually involves money and/or self promotion. maybe he wrote it to get free advertising space to promote his "grief retreats" to gullible women.
He Is VALOR (an article to the man in your life, from a man in ours!)
Redeeming Memories: The Key To A Thriving Relationship by Davey Blackburn.
DB is a "man in our life" to the girls at Mila Magazine. Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel. He's got some nerve to talk about the KEY to a thriving relationship, when he wouldn't even lock his own front door to protect his pregnant wife.
Someone posted that DB said he didn't lock the door to teach Amanda a lesson about losing her keys.
Anyone know if this is true and where.when, and to whom he said it??
On the subject of travel around the time Amanda passed (whatever helps you sleep at night, Davey). . .
I would still like to know what prompted Amber to leave the rest of the family in California and return to Indianapolis when she did. Wasn't this a major family trip to which everyone had looked forward for so long? It seems strange that she would cut that type of trip short and bring just one kid home - unless she had to work (isn't she a nurse?)
But she didn't say she had to work and if she did, it's not likely that she would have been able to stay in Indy with Amanda and cruise with her those days that she will ALWAYS remember.
I sure would like to see what other surveillance video there is from wherever they went shopping and from the Starbucks where they drank their favorite drinks.
@8:09, In a similar vein, DBs preaches the story of the woman who did not answer the door to her beloved because she was in bed and it was cold, after a while, she changes her mind and runs to open the door, but it's too late. Her beloved has left. So she goes out into the dark streets, searching for him, but instead falls into the hands of ithe city watchmen who beat her, robbed her, took her garments, and according to Davey, raped her. She paid a heavy price for not opening the locked door.
Does anyone remember DB telling that story or where, in the bible it is from? Does anyone remember the relish with which DB told that story? As if to say, see? The woman got what she deserved. It taught her a lesson.
DB is so creepy.
flightfulbird said...
Y'all know DB in all his narcissism wouldn't want to live with a brain-dead wife if she survived the gun shot wounds.
Maybe that was why the plug was pulled so soon - nobody wanted to have that happen. Talk about worst nightmares - seriously. Suspended in between earth and heaven.
It was far better for Amanda for them to expedite her entrance into the party portal of heaven and let her be safely with Jesus holding Evie in her arms.
BUT - what if Davey was afraid Amanda would wake up and tell what she saw, tell what happened between Sunday night and Tuesday morning ?
That would be a far more important reason in his mind to go ahead and pull life support.
January 10, 2018 at 3:44 PM
This has been pointed out here many times over the past two years, so I'm not sure if you just can't grasp the concept or if you're being intentionally obtuse: BRAIN DEAD PEOPLE DO NOT WAKE UP. The hospital will allow family a brief period of time with their BRAIN DEAD loved one or give out-of-town family time to arrive, but they do not keep BRAIN DEAD people on a respirator indefinitely. If the deceased is an organ donor, they will wait for the organ donation team to arrive ... which is what happened in Amanda's case ... then the organs are removed, and that's it. There is nothing unusual or nefarious about this, no matter how much you imagine there is.
BRAIN DEAD is not the same as coma. BRAIN DEAD is not the same as a vegetative state. Do you understand?
Anon yes, just had to take a break for a bit. When he gets going and the white spit forms around the sides of his mouth and he makes this sound every time he sucks it in, can't describe it - but by the end of doing a vid you are wiped out completely from listening and watching him. I have no idea how he retains any members. With almost every single sermon, he brings up violence.
I was thinking of taking another vid and doing an angle with everyone. Showing neighbors, the family, the friends.... but I don't want to be offensive. Maybe I will work on that and just post it here instead of the public.
ffb @ 8:30
IMO... Amber worked, all right.
She had to nurse Amanda, and probably bathe her and clean up toilet accidents
Update the black and white photos on the fridge to include everyone (no one was left out!)
Write on the chalkboard as if god planted it there for Amanda to read in her final moments
Do the laundry and perfectly organize the closets
Write in Amanda's journal
I see why Amber's pain provokes tears in Davey - he put her through a different type of hell than Amanda, but hell nonetheless.
When Robin says she had to "deal" with how "dark" Amanda's death was, she was minimizing.
Chief Hite called it right. Heinous. Evil.
Check out DB's newest sermon around the 22 minute mark. He's mad that Weston asks him why. He's mad when he says "Daddy" over and over again. And Weston is asking why he can't go up into the sky to be with Mommy.
Kate-My vote is to stick solely with DB's words, actions, statements and videos. Keep the family and friends out of it. You don't want to distract people from the focus, which is DB and the perps. Detractors can use your use of the "Off Topic" family and friends themselves to distract/deflect from DB and his words and actions. Don't give them any ammo.
Thank you for doing what I cannot, listen to DB for any length of time.
Kristi's daughter at Resonate in November 2016
https://www.facebook.com/ResonateIndy/photos/a.341111135914641.99865.292043477488074/1638134069545668/?type=3&theater
46 minutes: wants an executive pastor for the church, what about a building???????????
Hired John Berry to be executive pastor. Wow. Why in the world?
Latest sermon prayer requests.
At 52:00, wants Nothing is Wasted to sell a million copies.
brain dead bird brain at 9:11pm, everyone knows that of course brain dead people don't wake up and that brain death is different than a persistent vegetative state or a coma.
But your response to my post, shouting the words BRAIN DEAD over and over, makes it look like more than just a public service announcement or correction to make sure that I know this.
I believe from your reaction that you were disturbed by the statement in my post about Davey being afraid that Amanda would wake up and tell what she saw or what happened, which was my intention- to see if the statement brought out the crazy. And it did.
Davey himself said the next 24 hours were "a waiting game" while they were sitting around Amanda's bed singing and worshiping and listening to Pandora radio randomly play Nothing is Wasted, cheering Amanda on with each breath of the ventilator - as opposed to saying the next 24 were "touch and go" or any other description. Waiting - to see if there was any chance that a miracle would happen that would bring revival throughout the whole hospital - that she would wake up. At that point, she had not yet been declared brain dead.
So there WAS a point where Davey could have been afraid Amanda would wake up and reveal what she saw.
My post accomplished what I intended for it to do.
And I bet Davey couldn't wait for the results of those EEGs and whatever other tests were done to determine that Amanda was indeed brain dead - what a relief it must have been for him once he knew she was gone forever, with her memories and her statements that could have revealed the truth to everyone around that bedside.
flightfulbird said...
brain dead bird brain at 9:11pm, everyone knows that of course brain dead people don't wake up and that brain death is different than a persistent vegetative state or a coma.
But your response to my post, shouting the words BRAIN DEAD over and over, makes it look like more than just a public service announcement or correction to make sure that I know this.
I believe from your reaction that you were disturbed by the statement in my post about Davey being afraid that Amanda would wake up and tell what she saw or what happened, which was my intention- to see if the statement brought out the crazy. And it did.
Davey himself said the next 24 hours were "a waiting game" while they were sitting around Amanda's bed singing and worshiping and listening to Pandora radio randomly play Nothing is Wasted, cheering Amanda on with each breath of the ventilator - as opposed to saying the next 24 were "touch and go" or any other description. Waiting - to see if there was any chance that a miracle would happen that would bring revival throughout the whole hospital - that she would wake up. At that point, she had not yet been declared brain dead.
So there WAS a point where Davey could have been afraid Amanda would wake up and reveal what she saw.
My post accomplished what I intended for it to do.
And I bet Davey couldn't wait for the results of those EEGs and whatever other tests were done to determine that Amanda was indeed brain dead - what a relief it must have been for him once he knew she was gone forever, with her memories and her statements that could have revealed the truth to everyone around that bedside.
The only thing you "accomplished" is making yourself look foolish. Your exact words were:
"BUT - what if Davey was afraid Amanda would wake up and tell what she saw, tell what happened between Sunday night and Tuesday morning ?
That would be a far more important reason in his mind to go ahead and pull life support."
By the time she was taken off life support, there was no reason to think she'd wake up. BS all you want ... your words are there for everyone to see. You're trying to hide your ignorance by claiming you made that statement to bring out "the crazy" instead of admitting you just don't understand brain death. Nice try, but nobody is buying it.
Kate said...
I was thinking of taking another vid and doing an angle with everyone. Showing neighbors, the family, the friends.... but I don't want to be offensive. Maybe I will work on that and just post it here instead of the public.
Great idea about the neighbors, Kate! Maybe you can start pointing your crooked finger at the neighborhood watch guy again! Because we all know that when you're not passing the time telling everyone the tiny, dead children of Sandy Hook and their grieving parents are fakes, you're accusing innocent people of being involved in a murder!
And don't try to deny all the horrible garbage you spewed about that guy. I have links to dozens and dozens of comments you made about him to prove it.
The fetus was still very much alive.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-4684782/Brain-dead-pregnant-woman-21-kept-alive-123-days.html
So, if instead of yanking the plug, Amanda had been supported long enough to deliver the baby, little Evie or Buddy or Joey would be around 22 months old now.
Now THAT would have been a money making testimonial.
LOLtroll Brenda, Me21, Bad Juju, whoever you are today, @11:47, thanks for explaining all about brain death. If anyone would know, it's you. Tell us this. Might the baby have survived if Amanda had not been removed from life support?
Kate and all, DB sounds a lot like this, when he talks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnUB2ia39Po
Warning. Disgusting noise.
Excellent point Bobcat! Never thought of that angle, thanks for the link.
I wonder what cookies little Evie would like best: chocolate chip, ginger molasses, or traditional sugar? I'm doing some late baking tonight and have molasses in the oven right now!
You guys are missing my comments on his lastest sermon, see above.
I just finished watching it. A new exec Pastor, lol. He basically told his congregation he is getting out asap and he will handle other bs around the church, sure Davey, sure. I don't know whether to believe his story about Weston, he has the ability to make up stories quickly and is most likely looking to up the donations since the online viewer, which then changed to a person right there at the church, donated 20 grand. Hello IRS. Best part was praying for the book release this year..... better be careful what you're praying for Daveyboy.
He almost appeared to be on the fringe at times. But hey, they've been praying hard for a building and a new Pastor, so I guess it could be the stress of his hectic lifestyle of the rich and famous.
Trudy, you nailed it :) Thanks for the good laugh tonight, ha!
A thought...if Davey killed himself out of "grief" (leaving a thousand plus word suicide note explaining in great detail why God is calling him from this world, this way, and that he's made all the holy and necessary arrangements for Kristi, Weston, and Natalia) rather than to avoid taking the hot seat in court, that would be ... an interesting way to tie up everything in string, and put a period at the end of the story.
"I will cut you? " What the? For saying you're too petite? The "sermons" DB delivers are shocking. That's in the first five minutes of his latest, ham fisted, pig ignorant, attempt to ingratiate himself with female members of the congregation. "I will cut you." Right girls?
He's so violent.
Anonymous at 1:07am, I've thought for a long time now that Davey could kill himself and make it look like an accident -that he would rather die than face the humiliation. I think he is far past the point of killing himself with grief as the reason, the way he has been living it up almost immediately after Amanda died. He never grieved for one second.
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Nice try at 11:47pm, you want to reengage? Your post at 11:47pm gives even more weight to my theory that it bothers you that I said Davey had to get the plug pulled - and fast - while he had the chance.
Ok I’ll play.
My choice of words (in bold) was incorrect when I wrote this
BUT - what if Davey was afraid Amanda would wake up and tell what she saw, tell what happened between Sunday night and Tuesday morning ?
That would be a far more important reason in his mind to go ahead and pull life support.
Both of us agree that a BRAIN DEAD patient cannot “wake up”. My choice of words “wake up” was in the context of an EEG being wrong, of the medical team not being completely sure that Amanda was for all intents and purposes, gone from this life.
Obviously it’s not “life support” but “organ support” if the person is brain dead and on a ventilator just waiting for the organ donor team to get in place for surgery.
BUT - until the ventilator was discontinued, there was a chance that the tests for brain activity could be wrong - a remote chance, maybe - but a chance.
I have heard church people plead to God that an MRI that showed a brain tumor in one of the kids in the youth group would be “wrong” - unrealistic for sure unless that MRI was from a different patient and got labeled with the wrong name - but people who are desperately hoping for someone to pul through a crisis will clutch at whatever straws they can. When I heard “pray that the MRI will be WRONG, I was like - really - come on” - I am sure my career had a part in that.
But Davey wold have motivation to pull the plug on Amanda at the earliest possible opportunity IF he thought there was even the slightest chance that Amanda could make it. The earliest possible opportunity.
Once support is discontinued, that’s it - the person is gone forever. That’s (obviously) why some families continue it longer just on the outside chance that a miracle could happen - if there is even the slightest chance of a mistake - not wanting to believe that it's over. Even after the EEG (or more than one) comes back as no brain activity whatsoever - they still hope.
I can hear it now in this case -- the doctor comes into Amanda's room and tells them the EEG results - and Davey is all like “uh, well, um, we wanted a miracle but it’s not going to happen today, we will claim Romans 8:28, we know that all things work together for good to those who love God and I am still believing that great things will come from this, ok everybody let’s say our goodbyes - let's not let this be wasted. . . (Amanda who?)
You are splitting hairs with terminology and ignoring my statement that I believe Davey wanted to eliminate ANY chance of Amanda recovering from her injuries - of having her in his life and more than that, of having her maybe be able to tell what happened to her and who did it to her.
And it is an interesting thought that the baby could have had a chance of making it, after seeing that Daily Mail writeup.
Also an interesting thought of Amber's WORK on Monday Bobcat - I particularly liked the parts about her writing on the chalkboard and making sure everyone had a picture included on the refrigerator. I keep thinking back to her words "in spite of what had happened ONLY three days before" - instead of "earlier in the week" or even "three days before". If it was three days, why not say it? "Only" makes it different.
I always thought the fact that Gov. Pence being at Amanda's "celebration" service was strange and self serving. Was he trying to support the gang PR, help the police dept. to show they were going to get tough on gangs, or was it to help CD. The clues are overwhelming that DB may have arranged this, but they were totally ignored and paid no attention to for a reason. I also think the longer it takes to go to trial, the more they hope the public will forget about Amanda. I always thought DB could see something going on at the Allison Becker house, maybe that's why he was late leaving. Now that I hear he says he did it to teach Amanda a lesson, it feels like he waited to make sure they came into the area, then waited in the driveway to make sure they left the area. If it weren't for the Byars drinking DB's kool-aid, they could have insisted the LE look at the bigger picture that included DB. I can't believe for a minute that DB was grieving AB's murder. I can't believe they supported the wedding so soon. I grieved longer for my mother! I was angry when my father met a woman 4 years later and let her have all my mother's things. I guess God works in mysterious ways for DB. Even Job had to wait longer than 2 years ,didn't he? I feel so angry that not one family member, one good friend of Amanda's has sat and watched this evil play out against Amanda and hasn't said a word. They didn't even talk about her at her own service! Personally, I think it would turn people away from God to watch a follower as good and loving as Amanda get brutally murdered, watch her husband prance around in glee and act like he was the chosen one even though everyone knew Amanda was the true believer who lived her life for Jesus and to live her life in Him. I would run from Resonate screaming. It's not God living in their midst. Shame on Indy Le. Is there not one in that dept. that wants to know the truth? And all their talk about getting her murderer and getting justice,b to turn around and let one plea bargain out of the murder charge? Something shady going on, no information to the public makes it much easier to hide what they want hidden.
Meg, please write a tell-all.
I already suspected Trudy was Sweet Amanda Cookies, now it's obvious I'm correct. Please grow up, Trudy. This comment section has enough problems without your awful cookie posts.
I always wondered if the extra 2 shots were to make sure Evie did not survive.
Thanks Anon for the sermon times so I don't have to watch the whole thing! ha. DB is very agitated in the latest sermon. Poor little Weston. Daddy, why, daddy why, why, why, why. And he proceeds to act like he is about to pounce Weston. It is so disturbing. Please watch guys to see his craziness at work. At about 21:26, he starts mocking Weston, proceeds to mock both of "his" kids and how annoying they are for asking Why? Kate, there could be a whole video on how he talks about his own son.
***Side note:I still can't believe the little girl calls him Daddy and he acts like he is the only Daddy she has. I bet he is super competitive with her Dad because he has to be first and he has to be best.
At the 42:00 (thanks again Anon)
Davey is such a Perry Noble protege. Big Faith brings Big Numbers. If Resonate members just pray hard enough and have crazy faith, God will make Resonate 500 strong. God will put Nothing is Wasted in 1 million people's hands. God will send Resonate a building. 365 people will become Christians (members). God will make a way for thousands to watch online live from all over the country. He talks less passionately and puts this responsibility on the members, but he wants to finally get that Riverside mentoring program up. (still haven't intercepted any risky youth?) The emotional music plays in the background as Davey writes the BIG goals for Resonate on the pallet wall, expecting that God will (finally) move big at Resonate. I am a Christian and I pray but I don't give God a list and expect He will do exactly as I say. I pray and read scripture so I can learn what He has to say. Giving God a Santa Claus list and expecting him to fulfill it is immature Christianity and DB will always come bk unsatisfied.
Bobcat, do you have a link to an article or document saying Amanda's baby was still viable? I've never seen it said one way or another. Not all babies are when a pregnant woman is brain dead. My pregnant cousin was killed in a car accident years ago, and her unborn baby had no heartbeat before she was taken off the respirator.
Jono says that there was a heartbeat.
http://apotheolotics.blogspot.com/2016/11/one-year-ago_12.html
Jono also says that because of the swelling , Amanda's heart would have stopped eventually. However, did they wait to see and support the pregnancy inside? No. They announced her (brain) death on 11/11/15, four years TO THE DAY after they moved to Indy. I'll bet her death certificate says 11/12/15.
Amber talks about Evie and shared an ultrasound photo. It's interesting how she describes Evie as "protected" inside Amanda. She also calls it a "loss" as compared to Amanda who "went to be with Jesus". Amber's heart aches at the loss of Evie, but on 11/13/15 writes about the joy on Amanda's face when she "was able" to walk into the arms of Jesus. "This was the most AMAZING day of her life."
Amber's Pregnancy 'Blog': https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10209140795538763&set=pb.1285843155.-2207520000.1476460601.&type=3&theater
Amber's 'Too Soon' 'Blog": https://www.facebook.com/amber.b.wilkinson/posts/10207693899607269
Sixteen months later, in a podcast, Amber still expresses stronger feelings about the loss of Evie, than the loss of Amanda:
https://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2017/07/52017-nothing-is-wasted-podcast-parts-1.html
Amber: "I never doubted God. I think that’s what I was thinking. Questioning – I started to think through, like, some of the questions that I had, um. And, I think the biggest one for me was, um, why did it have to happen the way that it happened. And so, like if you’re gonna take Amanda, like, if you’re gonna, couldn’t you have like, picked something else? Like, anything else, um, which is hard because I think if it happened another way, I probably would have felt the same way. Like, did it have to be that, you know? Did it have to be in her home, in front of Weston. I mean I know he was upstairs but did Weston have to be there? Um, I, the, ugh! I hate the fact that she was pregnant. It, like. I just remember thinking, if you knew - God knew - um, she was going t-, this was gonna happen, why did you even let them get pregnant? Like why did it have to be, both of them, and, so, I mean, why w-. And, and even, of course I’m like, why did you choose, Amanda?"
^^ Too many "likes"
Amber:
Amber: "I never doubted God. I think that’s what I was thinking. Questioning – I started to think through, like, some of the questions that I had, um. And, I think the biggest one for me was, um, why did it have to happen the way that it happened. And so, like if you’re gonna take Amanda, like, if you’re gonna, couldn’t you have like, picked something else? Like, anything else, um, which is hard because I think if it happened another way, I probably would have felt the same way. Like, did it have to be that, you know? Did it have to be in her home, in front of Weston. I mean I know he was upstairs but did Weston have to be there? Um, I, the, ugh! I hate the fact that she was pregnant. It, like. I just remember thinking, if you knew - God knew - um, she was going t-, this was gonna happen, why did you even let them get pregnant? Like why did it have to be, both of them, and, so, I mean, why w-. And, and even, of course I’m like, why did you choose, Amanda?"
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Broken down, regarding Amanda's death:
And so, like if you’re gonna take Amanda, like, if you’re gonna, couldn’t you have like, picked something else?
Broken down, regarding Evie:
I just remember thinking, if you knew - God knew - um, she was going t-, this was gonna happen, why did you even let them get pregnant?
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Amber cannot say that god "took" Evie. It's an interesting comparison.
She is bothered that THIS was not only the brutal murder of Amanda, but a second life sustained inside her.
Thanks, bobcat. I really just wanted to know if the baby had a heartbeat, not hear about your deranged obsession with Amber.
^^ There's an SA goldmine.
Oh really, Anon @3:13? Go ahead then.
Sirensong said: "Shame on Indy Le. Is there not one in that dept. that wants to know the truth? And all their talk about getting her murderer and getting justice,b to turn around and let one plea bargain out of the murder charge? Something shady going on, no information to the public makes it much easier to hide what they want hidden." Jan 11
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Don't forget the US Marshals assisted the pd quite a bit as well. According to the Prosecutor, Terry Curry, they worked tirelessly without sleep or food.
Interesting that their first big "break" in the case was a dna hit off the sweater/shirt that covered the suspects face at the atm, instead of dna hits all over the blackburn home.
Curious. How would it be ethical and appropriate to sustain and care for a corpse for five or six months For the purpose of growing and acquiring the deceased's baby? There would be no dignity for Amanda, whose injuries were so horrible as to leave her lifeless and unrecognisable. Why should she have not been allowed to pass peacefully and in a timely manner with her baby?. To artificially sustain Amanda as a living womb for a week, even perhaps a month, might have been a reasonable consideration for medics, carers and family, but she was only twelve weeks pregnant. If a brain dead mother has ever been sustained for so long, the financial cost would be astronomical, so might have been the toll upon those who would have needed to care for her. I don't get the logic that if the baby was viable, she should have been incubated in Amanda's corpse, in order to be delivered to Davey, who did not want a second baby. It was Amanda's baby - everything else was taken from her.
I'm not obsessed with Amber. It's her statements that are something else.
Try this one:
"I just remember thinking, if you knew - God knew - um, she was going t-, this was going to happen, why did you even let them get pregnant?"
Which was she? A corpse ... or Amanda with a living womb and a host of other healthy organs? Surely donations would have flowed mightily to support the dear pastor's wife and the life inside her. Even if Davey didn't want the baby, there was surely an amazing testimonial of Romans 28, if someone had adopted Amanda's gifted christ child.
She wasn't a corpse until the transplant team was done with her.
Yes, Kate, did they even take time to look for any DNA or fingerprints in the house? It was released and cleaned in what, 24 hrs, maybe less. And I don't know why Amber, or anybody for that matter, thinks that God did any of this. I guess because DB told them it was so. God had that plan to revive his church, oh I mean school. They still believe Amanda's death was to revive the church so millions could be made for the chosen one. See, God did all the big things DB was asking for. Get your kids out of that "church"! An SUV in the area for a minute, one guy on camera disabling the alarm at the Becker house. Never hear another thing about the SUV. Davy didn't see the Sebring in the driveway? Or maybe he did and that's why he left the door open. I thought he was a community watch member. But he gets no real interview by the cops. Again, why are the people that loved Amber following DAVEY, and now just so thrilled to be a part of his new life with his new wife. Where is all the money coming from?
They prayed for a miracle and they got one. The baby's heart was still beating.
If Davey didn't have sermons preaching about how he'd shoot anyone who came into his home or his many, many other references to violence, maybe this case wouldn't seem so odd. But why have guns at all if you can't even bother to lock a door with your child in his crib and your wife walking around, carrying your unborn child.
People within the circle look to Davey as a leader, I think part of that fault lies within the Byars family. Phil has said not-so-nice things in the past and when he made a joke out of why Amanda had to die, why not take James, I about fell out of my chair. Who says that? Even as a joke? That's pretty messed up. Then we have Amber who almost brags about bullying Amanda as a child. Not to mention Amber's husband who speaks borderline gay lover about Davey, "when I first fell in love with Davey....." Seems their alliance is strictly with Davey. Amber seems infatuated with Davey, like a school girl crush on a rock star, disturbing. We have Robin, who seems to worship the ground Davey walks on as well. I don't believe it has anything to do with seeing Weston or having him in their life. Either that is one brainwashed bunch or they just didn't want to look at the truth glaring right back at them. Did anyone see a puffy set of crying eyes when speaking about Amanda? I couldn't tell that any of them had lost a significant loved one and about half of them spoke to Davey and how great it was they married. They couldn't even give her a proper goodbye and think of her, from the beginning it was all about the $$$$$$$$$.
Yes, bobcat @4:27, I read that when you posted it just a few hours earlier. No need to repeat yourself. Thanks for proving my point about your obsession with Amber, though.
It sounds like Amber was doing what many people do when something tragic happens -- questioning why God "let" it happen the way it did. But only someone with a soul would understand that, so it's no surprise you don't get it.
But, hey, at least you can rest assured you'll be spending eternity with your boy Davey, while Amber spends eternity with Amanda.
5:47
Is this really what you intended to 'say' - that I have no soul for not understanding Amber?
The only thing Amber stated that she questioned god "letting" happen was the pregnancy.
I don't believe Amber thinks Amanda's death was a tragedy, but that Amanda was pregnant was the part she, ugh, hates.
Davey was not kidding when he said this six weeks after Amanda was murdered:
"The enemy used a couple agents to make it happen. You know what the enemy wants us to do now? He wants us, wants us to cower in a corner, and hide. He's trying to take the breath out of us. Well, he messed with the wrong family."
https://vimeo.com/150141195
Why does DB get so hysterical about growing Resonate church? Didn't he tell God, in the shower, that he was perfectly happy to have a church of 120 for the rest of his life? DB even lies to God. Resonate will fail as a church and the failure will be directly attributable to DB and his inability to preach and his utter unsuitability to pastoral care.
Maybe I don't understand Amber's mindset - that "god" "let" Amanda be brutally murdered.
Did god also let Amber lie about her daughter Audrey giving her heart to Jesus?
I wonder why DB hired an executive pastor. Pressure from the higher ups? Is he still accountable to Newspring?
Hiring an executive pastor for Resonate church makes about as much sense as hiring a CEO for your lemonade stand.
Trudy, oh man thanks for the laugh. So true!
Did god also let Amber lie about her daughter Audrey giving her heart to Jesus?
Oh yeah I remember that Bobcat - I think you used the comment in your blog that that very special and important and memorable event should have the details in the description be exactly the same - every single time the story is shared - but the details changed.
The internet always remembers.
Trudy, I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read that.
. . . but the detail changed from time to time when Amber retold it.
The ultimate climax of the story changed. First, Amber writes that Audrey gave her heart to Jesus as part of a written blog continuing the Amanda's-death-was-a-beautiful-thing sales pitch. Then when she tells the story in a podcast, she says Audrey did NOT give her heart to Jesus yet.
They stopped telling the Jonathan-kneels-in-his-prison-cell story after it was questioned.
Bobcat, you know what I said. You have no soul, therefore you don't understand the thought processes of those who do.
I don't know what Amber said about her daughter, and I don't care ... but I'm sure you'll copy and paste it all here, regardless (so flightful can kiss your a$$ some more and tell you how right you are). If you used the same statement analysis "skills" to determine Amber was "lying" about her daughter that you used to determine Amber was involved in Amanda's murder, it's all rubbish anyway.
That you drag Amber's minor daughter into this discussion just proves my point even more. Soulless. Vulture. Yeah, you.
Amber is the one who lied about her daughter, and what she did with Amanda on 11/9/15.
Soulless vulture. Maybe so, maybe not, but am I wrong?
@8:43. You are soul.
I took the second presser of Amanda's case, when they announce the arrests and snipped a few clips that stood out. Headphones/earbuds are recommended,
A few of the reporter's did ask good questions. In fact, here alone they asked 3 times (indirectly and directly), if there were any connections between the suspects and the Blackburn's, at the end, one reporter comes right out and said there was a lot of suspicion regarding the Blackburn's knowing the suspects, but it was met with loose "not that we know of". Wonder what those reporter's were hearing out there at that time to keep pressing that specific question. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-hzcxL5AgI&feature=youtu.be
The hit dog is barking...
The bird brain is squawking...
Hey Y'all,
Should I really have married DB? Starting to wonder. Just found this site.....
Flightfulbird, it's alarming how often you talk about "hit dogs."
Are you an animal abuser, flightfulbird?
Just my opinion here, but I think Davey hiring an executive pastor was because he plans to be away quite a lot once his book is released- book tour promotions, book signings, booking speaking engagements to promote the book etc. He believes his book is going to change the world, so he's gearing up for it. In other words, he's moving into marketing and networking mode.
Did Amanda and Davey have a ladder propped up against a wall-length bookshelf in their home at Sunnyfield? I never saw a wall-length bookshelf in any photos.
I thought the ladder was just leaning up against the wall between a sofa and the TV/fireplace. It might have been visible in one of the photos of Meg with Weston on her belly. And the living room was lined with a couple of sofas and a chair. Where were Davey's books kept at Sunnyfield?
Bobcat,I don't know where Davey kept his books on Sunnyfield but I do remember the giant built-in bookshelf was his first humblebrag in his new Serendipity home.
I started thinking about how Davey loves to align himself with Dave Ramsey. He did that talk at the Dave Ramsey center and bragged about how he and Amanda went on a walk to discuss life insurance. You know the one where Amanda begged Davey to stay in Indy if something were to happen to her? However, in another post (a time he is trying to pull at the heartstrings of Resonate givers) he talks about how he drained all of he and Amanda's saving accounts to relaunch Resonate for the umpteenth time. Dave Ramsey would never suggest a family drain a savings account to relaunch a church that has been flailing for 4 years. I have listened to Davey Ramsey enough to know that he would suggest Davey get a full-time job and deliver pizzas at night. Davey picks and chooses what fits his sins. Davey didn't want to get a real job. He calls himself a mach 6, hair on fire maverick but let's face it, dude wanted to work out, sit at Starbucks all day and grab a stage on Sunday He expected the tax free income would start rolling in easily as he strutted the stage in ripped jeans and v-necks.
Anon @4.37 - your argument is from emotion. Amanda was brain dead - i.e. Dead - only the machines maintained her organs. You would be hard pressed to find any medical team who would have found it ethical or compassionate to have maintained her body as an incubator for a twelve week along baby. There are more and less valid reasons for finding fault with Davey - I'm pretty sure this is one of the less valid reasons.
There were pics of the ladder on some home sale sites when Davey sold the house. There were pics of all of the rooms. Google his Sunnyfield address and check out zillow or one of those sites.
Jono's blogged memory of Amanda's death is embellished. He references a ladder leaning up against a wall length bookcase, when Amanda's ladder was a shabby chic / rustic blanket holder. Jono tries to give the impression of a grand library style ladder in his blog. Why?
If it's ethical to support a body to incubate organs for transplant, it's also ethical to do it for a baby, or babies as they did in Brazil.
I think the soulless vultures are those who announced Amanda's death while her heart was still beating, never mind the imagery of the organ donation team picking her apart, also while she and her baby still had beating hearts.
A little used phrase:
You would be hard pressed to find any medical team who would have found it ethical or compassionate to have maintained her body as an incubator for a twelve week along baby.
You’d be hard-pressed to find someone [Phil Byars] more passionate about and excited by God’s work in and through His people.
You'd be hard-pressed to b someone (Amber Byars Wilkinson) more intent on convincing through social media that Davey's version of how things happened is true - and someone more desperate to convince that she misses Amanda so much she can barely breathe at times.
I agree that maintaining Amanda's body on support to keep the unborn baby alive until it/she/he could be delivered would be a long shot and insanely expensive - but there's no indication that they ever even considered it. I am still shocked at how quickly this family who was praying for miracles ended things so quickly.
And I am still annoyed that Ashley and Derek were talking about Amanda in the past tense (more than once) in their video interview while Amanda was still "alive'.
to FIND someone. . .
And I am still annoyed that Davey clearly had that statement prepared and edited and ready to release almost instantly - that fits in with the theory that he was expecting to walk in and find Amanda had died already.
It literally was a waiting "game" for Amanda to die.
Amanda was supposed to be dead when Davey came home from the gym.
It's interesting how in Jono's account, published one year after, while lengthy and full of color details, gives only one spoken question (from Tessa) to "who" would have done something "like" this to Amanda.
“Who would do something like this, Jono?"
And two unspoken thoughts:
"Who would want to hurt Amanda?”
"Who would do something like this?"
Amanda is brain dead, they sing Kumbaya around her bed, and the story ends.
The unanswered questions are incongruent with Jono's intelligence.
Of all of the family members, I think Jono might be the most likely one to ask for a deeper investigation into the circumstances surrounding what happened to Amanda.
It was very apparent in his blog post that he cared deeply for her - his descriptions of her as his sister-in-law (as he remembered her, not as she was when he saw her at Methodist) were more glowing and sweet than anything Davey wrote about her.
And I believe his accurate and complete description of her appearance when he saw her was intended to shed light (or throw cold water) on Davey's words and Amber and Robin's descriptions of her as "beautiful" - to bring the reality that this was an up-close and person, brutal, person crime.
She took quite a beating - that's sugar-coating it nicely.
The Byars family has clearly moved on - they can never thank Davey and Kristi enough (tm Amber) for letting them be included in their special wedding celebration - they are going to the beach and taking pictures in matching clothes and kissing his Crossfit-trained ass - they are sleeping with the enemy.
I agree with someone who wrote upthread that it might be more to protect their image than to keep access to Weston, at this point. Poor Weston, who continues to be fodder for Davey's stage performances - would it kill him to say anything nice about Weston instead of disparaging him like he did to Amanda the whole seven years they were together?
correction third paragraph -
to bring the reality that this was an up-close and personal, brutal, person crime.
sorry - I need to correct one more time -
to bring the reality that this was an up-close and personal, brutal crime.
I wonder how many other random burglaries in Indy in 2015 (or before or since then) resulted in the homeowner being beaten and bruised, scratched in the face, with multiple teeth knocked out and with three gunshot wounds, one to the BACK of the head.
Yeah I know I've written this before too, but this gunshot placement was in no way the result of burglars surprising a homeowner and trying to get away, or even making sure the homeowner was dead and wouldn't be able to implicate or identify them in court.
Two of the gunshots were from behind. Especially the head shot, as others have pointed out more than once, was personal and smacks of a hit. There was no need for random burglars to shoot her in the head. If Amanda was "charging" Larry Taylor, she would've been shot from the front - not from behind.
And once Amanda was face down, one shot to the heart would've killed her and then there would've been no need for the charade and singing and praying and cheering her on around the hospital bed.
Good points, flightfulbird. Amanda was shot three times. It's apparent someone wanted her and the baby dead. In the other murder that Larry Taylor is charged with, the victim is shot only once - in the head.
From Jono's blog:
A year ago yesterday, Tuesday, Nov. 10, 2015, I awoke around 7:35 AM CST to my wife, Tessa, standing over me beside the bed.
“Did you see the text your mom sent?” Though I couldn’t see much detail at all without my contacts in, I could tell she had just gotten out of the shower.
“Huh, what? No,” I responded, frustrated I’d just been jolted out of sleep only a few minutes before my alarm was set to go off. “What did she say?”
“Amanda collapsed,” she said. “She’s unconscious but still breathing.”
AMANDA COLLAPSED? Talk about minimizing the situation.
And this:
As I was about to respond in agreement with Tessa, Mom sent another text: “She is pregnant – pray also for the baby.”
So Jono and the family didn't know about the pregnancy but the grifters at Davey's church did?
Mom: “He’s called 911 – they are taking them to Methodist hospital.”
So he didn't call 911 right away.
Could you provide a link to Jono's blog please? Thank you.
Mom: “We need everyone to pray right now. Amanda’s vital signs have turned for the worse. Her blood pressure has spiked, which means the swelling in the brain has increased and is putting pressure on the brain stem. If this does not stop, her heart will stop. They are asking Davey if he wants her to be resuscitated if this happens.”
Davey has made the decision, along with her parents, not to resuscitate her
As someone pointed out, these people are Chrstians that are supposed to believe that God can do anything, including heal the sick. God brought Lazarus back from the dead yet on the first day that Amanda is shot, they are already saying don't resuscitate?
“The baby still has a heartbeat, incredibly. We don’t know if it’s a girl or boy yet."
Anon @ 7:27
https://apotheolotics.blogspot.com/2016/11/one-year-ago_12.html
Thank you 7:32
her left arm was swollen and lacerated from near her elbow where the other bullet had entered to her shoulder where it was lodged.
This gives us the angle of trajectory. The shooter was over Amanda when he shot her. It would seem that she was on her knees with her head on the ground.
Some of us got food from the 1st floor cafeteria around 1 AM. Around 3:00 AM, Davey gave into the urges of others to try to get some sleep. The family waiting room was just outside the double doors that we had walked through earlier, connected to the lobby where we had first met up with Dad and Davey. He hit up a recliner and soon fell asleep, though I’m sure it was a fitful sleep.
Tessa and my parents and I joined him around 4 AM.
Jesus Christ, Jono and Tessa stayed up later than Davey. It's the first day that his wife has been shot and he can't stay at her bedside the entire time?
I want to know, did Davey autograph the DNR with his usual flair?
Wow. Jono's account wrenched my heart, Davey's left it cold.
Jono's account adds some detail about Amanda's condition, but he also very carefully sticks to the party line.
I think he knows very well what Davey is capable of (as he knows what they both endured as children) and who would do something like this to Amanda.
He also doesn't want his wife to see the underbelly of his family.
And he, as a superior Blackburn, tries to create a grand impression of his family.
Is this impression that the Blackburns are so special what influences Amber?
Phil said the truth (or was he showing false humility?): "We're nobodies."
Bobcat--why would Amber want to kill Amanda? Why would she be a part of her sister's murder. That is what I am just not understanding.
Bobcat said...
"Is this impression that the Blackburns are so special what influences Amber?"
Maybe being from a patriarchal family is what influences Amber. I have been looking into this case for a while, although probably not as long as many who post here, and I have yet to see any representation for AB (but I could be mistaken).
Is that why AB chose DB, because he so resembled her own father? Why does PB seem to not be representing his now-deceased daughter before or since her death? Why no questions--why no objections--why no accountability with such glaring inconsistencies? I remember naively thinking that, perhaps, they were laying low in order to keep an eye out and to maintain good relations for Weston's sake, but that is not what I think now. There seems to be no loyalty to AB and her baby or their memories.
How can anyone walk into a funeral for their daughter and her baby and see the blood-red casket and do nothing, especially and most specifically after the violent and gory deaths that AB and her baby suffered?
It has been two years, and I still cannot find an explanation as to why the red casket was chosen. Did DB have to have that specially made or painted, or is it an optical illusion from the lighting? I just find it incredibly strange among countless other things. And right after the funeral, if I am not mistaken, was there not a series of 'sermons' on blood? It seems that around that time there was blood everywhere.
I really hope that this is not a case of going along to get along concerning Amber, but in my opinion, the interpersonal relationships in this whole mess are not very honoring to the females. Where is the loyalty for AB and her baby? Why defer to DB so easily? I mean, they were both dead (AB and her baby) before their hearts had even stopped beating. Did none of them find any of that strange? Why did DB have to get rid of her so quickly?
Just my opinion.
https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2015/11/18/amanda-blackburn-homicide-what-we-know/75997642/?from=new-cookie
When that guy shot and killed all those Amish kids in the school, the Amish forgave him and immediately went to comfort the guy's wife and family. Some Christians believe in living that reality.
I know that if someone killed someone I loved, that intellectually and spiritually it would be in my best emotional interests to forgive them. That being said, the day to day anger that one would feel is a reality as well, and something that some wouldn't want to admit to or discuss. It's ugly and painful and on-going.
The Byars appear to lack expressing that reality, the anger. Seemingly any anger. But that doesn't mean they don't struggle with it privately and don't show it, thinking that is the "Christian way." It's a quality that irritates me, big time. They come off as Stepford Christians and that makes me uncomfortable.
Last March my brother, 51, died, in my arms, 17 days after being diagnosed with colon cancer and 2 1/2 hours after I got to his out-of-state hospital bedside. In the days and weeks after his death, we talked in very "deifying" terms of him. But he wasn't perfect and later, we talked more realistically about him.
If Amber seems this kind of "everything is good with the Lord" kind of Stepford Christian, as well as possibly having drunk Davey's kool-aid, I can see her being what we see as 'plastic' in her emotions about Amanda.
I can't see the connection to her wanting or being apart of Amanda's murder.
Stepford Christians - I like that very much, but didn't want to be the first to use it.
I don't think Amber wanted to be a part of Amanda's murder. However, I do think any involvement was manipulated by Davey (see Charles Manson), OR, after Amanda was sent back home to Davey on Sunday evening, after leaving him (see Worship as a Weapon) that day, Amber was manipulated into helping clean up on Monday - or her guilt for sending Amanda home with Davey is what propels her to help with the repackaging of Amanda's death.
Speculating that Amber was manipulated and unfortunately ended up with bloody hands in Amanda's death, that leaves four grandchildren for the Byars/Blackburns to care for, so it becomes Phil and Robin's new best interest to go along with the story to protect the golden tipped family image from the worst imaginable tarnish, and to keep Amber with her kids.
I think Amber is the reason the Byars won't speak out against Davey.
I created/run a website about the Manson murders. Davey is no Manson. If anything, he's a wanna-be Jim Jones, but he lacks the charisma and commitment.
You haven't convinced me Amber is involved, at all.
Resonate hired an Executive Pastor? Trudy, you made laugh about CEO of a lemonade stand. I guess DB really does plan to tour and promote his book, speak, golf, travel,etc while someone else does the boring stuff like actually running the church. I think Resonate has a chance to grow with someone else in charge. It will never grow with Crazy Davey at the helm. He is just too selfish, violent and weird. The staff is really big for such a small church! Insider said that when he/she attended it was still at 125 mark, lots of youth. However,they have a worship pastor, executive pastor, communications director, youth pastor, LEAD pastor (ha), LEAD pastor assistant and there is another girl on staff that helps him with his podcast. Emily? That is a huge staff for such a small church!
Anonymous said...
I created/run a website about the Manson murders. Davey is no Manson. If anything, he's a wanna-be Jim Jones, but he lacks the charisma and commitment.
You haven't convinced me Amber is involved, at all.
January 13, 2018 at 3:57 AM
If you don't see Davey Blackburn as one capable of Jim Jones level, I don't think the website will hold much value.
Charles Manson was not a brilliant cult leader. He persuaded a few drug addicted people to kill for him; he was not even the leader until the trial and book. He was a two-bit loser who had a few stupid people he dominated.
DB has all the tools and talent to be a successful cult leader. He has the personalty traits that, if fed some success, will cause him to exploit to the extreme.
Should he be cornered, he is likely to take others down with him, seeking to destroy as many as he can about him. This is seen in his own personage: he cannot separate who he is from what he defines success.
He is a candidate for murder/suicide at worst, but at best, a big black eye to Christians and Christianity at large.
As to Amber, I agree.
Davey lacks the personal warmth and genuine connecting with people that Jones had early on that allowed him to amass such a following. Davey hasn't demonstrated that yet, as evidence in the lack of growing his church, just that he will exploit. Even Perry Noble could see something was wrong with him. I believe his is capable of murder and would take others with him, if he can amass enough.
Manson was a 2-bit punk con artist but he could read people better than Davey can. As could Jim Jones.
Who is the communications director for Resonate?
Peter, when you say, "As to Amber, I agree", will you please elaborate?
He recently became engaged to be married in an unusual way. He said he had prayed that if God would have him marry again, that it would be a woman who loved God, loved Blackburn and his son and also loved his late wife.
He met a woman who had been attending the church who had been drawn by the church’s ministry to help inner-city teens avoid becoming trapped by gang and criminal life.
It turns out, her father is pastor of an inner-city church with a prison ministry and has regular contacts with the men who killed Blackburn’s wife.
Blackburn said he would like to someday be able to minister to the men who killed his wife.
“Through hope, grace and forgiveness, we can defeat the enemy,” he said.
What I don't understand about DB is this.....his story involves forgiving the late wife's killers. If someone is a killer, do you really think he has to care what a prison chaplain has to say?
And if he does care about being forgiven, how do we know if it's just not a ploy to help with sentencing, etc. And let's say that these men seek forgiveness from Davey? Wasn't Larry Taylor in the foster home of a pastor? He's already heard the story of reconciliation.
And so, Davey thinks he is some kind of a hero for doing what he does. Davey, a true hero would greatly mourn the loss of his wife. A true hero would raise his son himself and not have a nanny do it. A true hero would pick a wife who would give up her career to stay at home with her children instead of being so career oriented. Davey claims he worked two jobs so that Amanda could stay home with Weston. Davey, a true hero, would not be gone to Israel with a young child. A true hero would not be going on a book tour when his little son, Amanda's TRUE legacy needs him. You are worthless, Davey. I cannot stand you.
AMANDA would laugh at the thought of her brutal demise became some kind of revolution. She would cry to see how Weston is treated like an object and not a little boy who needs cared for.
You are NOT the same man you were with Amanda. You were right when you said that she made you better. It's all done here from here. I hope for the sake of Weston, that Davey will be seen for what he is and Amanda's family can raise the poor little guy.
The following link is from an older article. I wonder if it speaks to the Blackburns being aware that there was a crime presence in the area?
https://www.wthr.com/article/husband-100-cleared-in-murder-of-pregnant-indianapolis-mother
""He said IMPD is looking into whether or not the fatal home invasion is linked to other burglaries in the area. A burglary occurred in the same area earlier that morning.""
and,
""Indianapolis residents may recall a pair of brutal home invasions that occurred in October 2013.
"I know there are concerns of that in the neighborhood. And we're certainly doing our best to bring these killers into our custody and bring them to justice," said Lt. Riddle.""
Just wondering if DB had guilty knowledge of the danger that he was putting his wife and unborn child in by leaving the door unlocked?
Although we are still waiting for the link from another poster who stated that the door was left unlocked to teach AB a lesson, isn't leaving it unlocked in a known crime-sensitive area enough?
I still wonder what kind of 'lesson' he was trying to teach her--what would have been enough....that is, if the statement in another post is correct. Still waiting for that link or even the name of the person DB is alleged to have made the statement to.
Again, just my opinion.
I don't know if we are allowed to use another person's information or perspective; if so, the following is Indy dweller's first-hand account of the crime presence in the area.
http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2017/02/murder-of-amanda-blackburn-crime-
wire.html
Indy dweller. said...on February 23, 2017 at 10:36 AM
"Something I cannot get over is the unlocked door. I feel like he's portrayed the neighborhood as safe. I lived two streets away from them. We had robbers get taken down by IPD in my backyard that had come from his neighborhood just the month before. We had transient people knocking on our doors everyday. Straight up unsafe. To leave your pregnant wife and little boy at home, without locking the door and not showing any remorse for that, disturbs me. And almost justifying it as "we lived in a safe neighborhood " is crazy! The IPD knows we have had trouble in our area. Gun shots, murders, robberies, etc. They lived next to an apartment complex that is so bad. People from that complex easily have the ability to walk right into their neighborhood....."
and,
"Another thing, our two neighborhoods were very connected. There's no way they didn't KNOW about the crime. His neighborhood actually alerted mine. His neighborhood was actually hit several times by robbers, where ours never really had a problem until that day....", posted on February 23, 2017 at 11:07 AM
Again, not sure if we are allowed to use this information; if not, please let me know.
Thanks.
It WAS a known crime neighborhood - there was a neighborhood watch program. There is no way leaving the front door unlocked was an accident. And yes, Davey's total lack of remorse for leaving it unlocked (no saying "if only I hadn't left it unlocked" - and excusing it by saying "she (Amanda) was about to get up anyways" speaks volumes. He just didn't care.
This is not just another coincidence in a case chock full of them - this made it possible for someone to enter with no noise, virtually undetected - as opposed to having to go around back and tear a screen or break a window or pry open a slider door. I will always believe that certain people knew that door would be open that morning.
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I bet that Davey already knew Kristi and knew of the connection of her father being the prison chaplain of Amanda's alleged killers - at the time he said "he had no idea" how he would get to talk to those guys. But then he reveals her as sort of a "new" relationship, this girl he saw at Crossfit and at his church and then they happened to start going out - certainly he hid the fact that their relationship had been going on for as long as it was.
More dots God connected, huh. What are the chances that Davey's future wife just happened to be the daughter of the prison chaplain of the accused? Is he just using Kristi and her dad to make a platform to get to these guys?
Kristi could get (attract and have a nice life with) a lot of guys I'm sure - why the hell would she want to get married to a snake like Davey when there are so many guys above reproach and with whom she might actually be able to live under the same roof into the future instead of having to visit them in prison?
flightfulbird said...on January 13, 2018 at 6:57 PM
"It WAS a known crime neighborhood - there was a neighborhood watch program."
Then my question is: Does that establish culpability, legally speaking?
This is a very sad case that happened in Texas. A young teenager who was in charge of babysitting two young girls, one of them his sister, left the house and also left the front door unlocked. A neighbor entered the house and then raped and viciously murdered the two young girls. One of the girls' father brought a wrongful death and survival suit against the parents and negligent performance of duties against the teenager. Not sure what became of the case.
http://victimsofcrime.org/our-programs/national-crime-victim-bar-association/case-law/negligent-supervision-homicide
This is the full story of the crime. Warning: The article is long and contains details of the crime that could be unsettling.
https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/the-public-hell-of-bob-carreiro/
Right now, I am trying to research the specific laws as they relate to Indiana. Maybe somebody here with a legal mind can research negligent homicide, as it pertains to the state and city that the Blackburns lived in.
For general information purposes only. I am not familiar with Indiana laws on the subject, nor am I suggesting that this even applies in this case. Just searching.
"Negligent homicide is a much lower intent crime and is used as a charge when one person causes the death of another through criminal negligence. The charge does not involve premeditation, but focuses on what the defendant should have known and the risks associated with what he did know.
Negligent Homicide - Criminal Law - FreeAdvice.com
https://criminal-law.freeadvice.com/criminal-law/violent.../negligent-homicide.htm
https://criminal-law.freeadvice.com/criminal-law/violent_crimes/negligent-homicide.htm"
Does anyone know why DB changed fitness clubs from LA to Crossfit and when?
Thanks.
Good point flightful, of course he was seeing Kristi when he mentioned knowing the guy who ministered to Amanda's murderers. I think he knew her when he first began talking of forgiving them. CD always says "she was unconscious but still breathing", it sounds the same as when he has to mention he was at the gym when she was murdered. Everytime he mentions the murder it's "I was at the gym" and "she was still breathing". I don't think if you describe someone as unconcious, that you have to qualify it and say she was still breathing. Such big red flags that don't even pique the interest of detectives?
I really think Amanda mentioned divorce. Maybe when he wasn't happy about the pregnancy. Makes me sick that he was so uninterested in the baby, even at the hospital. I can't even think of the baby as "Evie", he admits they didn't know if it was a boy or girl, so all that fake naming a little girl was just BS. Just some thoughts as I'm reading all these great posts! I don't think it would be hard at all to charge CD,if the police where even a tad interested. I sure wonder where all this money is coming from. CD is deliriously happy. I feel so bad for Weston. No one cares for him the way his mom did.
Has anyone ever known of someone that was abused/tortured by immersion and near-drowning?
Bobcat-I think it's clear, Peter isn't convinced that Amber had anything to do with Amanda's murder. Simple as that.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maternal_somatic_support_after_brain_death
Some posters might find the link interesting. It may be that Amanda's family were advised that a pregnancy under twenty four weeks gestation was not recommended to be supported. The ethical considerations are enormous, anyway, I don't see that ascribing motive as the family not even trying to save the baby is fair - Amanda was an organ donor, for which the organs need to be harvested within hours or days of brain death being confirmed, to be transplantable. Personally I believe it to be against the dignity of the mother, and against nature, to keep her body functioning in order to harvest her baby when the pregnancy is so early. If the baby could survive outside the womb, as in would have a good chance if it had been delivered prematurely at the time the mother was declared brain dead, was truly 'viable', then - I would agree it was justifiable to perform a casaerean on the brain dead mother rather than allow the baby to die with her. My opinion is irrelevant - the point is, we do not know if there was any offer to sustain the pregnancy through artificial means - or what the family would have wanted, or believed, or known Amanda would have wanted, in that circumstance. We don't know, yet the assumption seems to be that they pulled the plug on Amanda because they didn't want to save the baby, rather than for instance, that the family knew Amanda would have wanted to be an organ donor, for which organs need harvesting within a short space of time of the donor being declared brain dead. We don't know how that decision was arrived at either, but we do know there was a decision to be made - whereas there may not have been a choice offered with regard to sustaining the pregnancy - it could be they were informed that such an early pregnancy could not be sustained, the attempt would be financially prohibitive, etc. I think that to ascribe any motive or to make judgement on how the family should have acted, as though they had turned down an offer to save the baby, is to speak from and appeal to emotion, IMO.
Per the link posted by Hey Jude on January 14, 2018 at 3:58 AM
"According to Esmaelilzadeh, et al., "[a]t present, it seems that there is no clear lower limit to the gestational age which would restrict the physician's efforts to support the brain dead mother and her fetus."
and,
"Specifically, 26 states have laws that ignore advance directives when a woman is terminally ill, but pregnant.[11] This recent situation involving Marlise Muñoz raised a host of questions related to unborn fetuses, patient and family preferences, and hospital discretion in interpreting state laws that involve advance directives.[12]"
I may be misinterpreting, but these quotes look highly optimistic, and they are taken from your link concerning somatic 'brain-dead' patients.
Still not seeing your logic, Hey Jude. It seems like it is up to the facility and family preferences, but just my opinion and interpretation of the article. Maybe I am seeing something wrong.
Thanks for the link, though.
I posted the link because it is not one-sided. The point is that there are supporting and opposing views, and we do not know how Amanda's family would have felt, or even if they were presented with the possibility of continuing the pregnancy - they may simply have been informed that there was no medical consensus for keeping Amanda's organs functioning - the pregnancy was only twelve weeks along. We don't know what they wanted, or if they were given any choice, or what they would have decided if they were - further it's not anyone else's business or place to decide what they should have done, had they been given the option of keeping Amanda brain dead for months in the hope of a live birth.
What do you mean by 'highly optimistic'? Whether Amanda's baby might have survived or not is not up to your preference - if it had been a possibility, if the family had been given the choice to keep Amanda artificially functioning for months - it would still be a matter outside the boundaries of anyone's interest or concern, excepting the family.
Ie Amanda and her baby are dead because someone executed Amanda. I don't understand what is happening when some posters seem to be seeking to blame the family because the baby died with Amanda.
Google "brain dead patients who've recovered"
It might be of no interest to us, but the story has been blogged and podcasted to the world. It's [NOT] too bad Davey and Amber didn't have a 'sheeple only' publicity option.
HJ,
I don't see it as blaming the family for the death of the baby, but questioning why the plug was pulled so quickly (which killed the baby).
And that Amber expressed REAL frustration that Amanda had been pregnant, moreso than she did at the brutal murder itself.
Amanda "went to be with Jesus", telling Amber not to cry, she was where she always desired to be ... but the baby's death was an, UGH!, "loss".
^^. Again, the unexpected wouldn't get so much attention if it hadn't been broadcast to the world.
Someone asked about Davey teaching Amanda a lesson by leaving door unlocked. The person in charge of the neighborhood watch program said she remembers Davey saying something along those lines when asked about the door. She said it had been a source of contention among D and A. She knew something was off with him from day one. He didn't even attend the award ceremony where the neighborhood won an award for taking steps to help find Amanda killers and working to keep the neighborhood safe since the murder.
From a post of FB-"Davey Blackburn will be the keynote speaker at the Celebrating Life Benefit! March 8th at Northern Indiana Event Center"
REALLY?? He left his door unlocked with his pregnant wife inside to teach her a lesson! As a result, the unborn baby and mom were murdered. I can't believe a pro-life group would have him come speak.
He is also preaching at his best buddy's church in Delaware. I wonder if he will bring the goodness and mercy cakes? Ripped jeggings or no?
Hey y'll think on this one, will you?
DB's lack of a reaction when AB died, sparing Kristi the pain of him talking about his love of her.
He's already changed some with Kristi around. I bet part of the "no grief" had in part to do with her.
One of Davey's earliest slip ups was in the interview, the reporter asking Davey if Evie would have the dimples, Davey laughs, looks up to his left and says "I hoPed, I hoPed", followed by a look on his face that wasn't exactly convincing, not even close.
And the reporter's, they asked many times what the connections were between the killer's and the Blackburns and it was answered with "no reason to believe" or shrugged off altogether. Even when asked if the suspects did handy work in the area, etc. The reporter's seemed to know more than the cops and that could be because the cops didn't check out Davey or it could be for other reasons, but they seemed genuinely pissed when asked about the Blackburns knowing the suspects. It didn't appear to be a friendly relationship with the press and le. LE tells a reporter to address the LE official properly using "lieutenant".
They can't put off the trials forever and when those trials take place, we are going to see it blown wide open. The FOIA requests will be countless and this case will go down in history in a big way. 2 years, 2 months and counting.... justice for Amanda.
Bingo, have you changed your mind about Davey's level of responsibility? It sounds like you believe she was murdered "as a result" of him leaving the door unlocked rather than him arranging to have her killed. Big difference.
Also, do you wonder why the person posting alleged third-hand info that Davey said he left the door unlocked to "teach her a lesson" has offered no proof whatsoever? They said the info came from Twitter, but they refuse to give a link. You seem to accept it as fact without seeing any proof whatsoever.
Has LE ever mentioned finding Larry Taylor's DNA on anything related to Amanda's murder?
http://wishtv.com/2015/11/19/police-question-2-in-connection-to-blackburn-murder/
Since the investigation started, sources have repeatedly said that DNA will help detectives solve the Blackburn murder. Those detectives submitted DNA evidence from the Blackburn home, from a neighbor’s house down the street that was burglarized and also from a stolen SUV used a getaway car found near 40th Street and Rookwood Avenue.
Last week, the same sources admitted that a suspect used Blackburn’s debit card at an ATM, but the suspect’s face was heavily covered.
Forensic investigators are using items collected inside the scene of Blackburn’s home. Those close to investigation say Blackburn was shot three times: once in the hand, torso and head.
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