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5 January, 2017
Analysis: The interview of Chris Kalin conducted by Steve Croft, with narration.
Analysis Question:
Is the subject
(Kalin) truthful in his answers?
Subsequent:
If he is
deceptive:
What content
does the subject reveal in his answers?
What areas of
sensitivity warrant exploration?
Does the subject
reveal any specific areas of fraud and/or deception?
I.
Transcripts
II.
Transcripts
with Analysis
III.
Conclusion
I.
Transcripts
Our introduction to this world of citizenship by
investment came in Dubai – the gleaming, international bazaar – that was
hosting the ninth annual global citizenship conference. Gathered here were
government officials, lawyers, bankers, and real estate developers who
facilitate and profit from the trade of citizenship for cash.
Chris Kalin: Good evening, and a very warm
welcome...
This is the man who more or less invented the
business: Chris Kalin, chairman of Henley and Partners, a consulting firm with
offices, where else, but in Zurich, Switzerland. For a fee and healthy
commissions, Kalin helps countries set up their program, rewrite their
citizenship laws, and recruit people of means looking for a second, third, or
fourth passport, which he sees as just another travel accessory; a passport of
convenience.
Chris Kalin: You probably have more than one
credit card, I would assume. And, you know, if Visa doesn’t work, Mastercard
will do. So I think any wealthy person nowadays should have more than one credit
card. And likewise, you’d have more than one passport.
Steve Kroft: But you need to have some money to
do this?
Chris Kalin: Yes.
Steve Kroft: To be able to do this?
Chris Kalin: Yes, absolutely. It’s just for
wealthy people, of course, yeah. ...
It’s provided St. Kitts and Nevis with hundreds
of millions of dollars for infrastructure projects, private development, and
tourism but a lot of the money is unaccounted for. More than 10,000 people have
purchased citizenship here, but it’s almost impossible to tell who they are
because the information is not public. Chris Kalin doesn’t like the words
citizenship for cash, or any suggestion that all you need is money to get a
passport.
Chris Kalin: You have to go through a process.
You have to apply. And you have to answer a million questions. And you have to
undergo a background verification. And you have, at least in the properly run
programs, you have to be a reputable person. And that’s checked.
But evidently, not that carefully. About the
only way to identify people who have purchased St. Kitts citizenship is if they
happen to turn up on a list of international fugitives or get in trouble with
the law, and St. Kitts and Nevis has more than its share for two sleepy, little
islands. Its passport holders include a Canadian penny stock manipulator... a
Russian wanted for bribery... a Kazak wanted for embezzlement... two Ukrainians
suspected of bribing a U.N. official... and two Chinese women wanted for
financial crimes.
Chris Kalin: I think it’s no secret that these
islands have made decisions that are not always optimal.
Steve Kroft: They’ve taken some bozos, as you
would call them?
Chris Kalin: Yes, exactly.
Steve Kroft: What about crooks?
Chris Kalin: Yes. It’s goes all the way down to
crooks, yeah, absolutely. And it tended for some time to attract quite a few
people that I would never let into the country. But I’m not the government of
St. Kitts and Nevis.
Steve Kroft: But you set up their program.
Chris Kalin: We helped to set up the program.
But, you know, as it is, advisers advise, ministers decide.
With vast sums of money flowing into these
island nations, and more and more countries selling their citizenship, there is
consensus that still more oversight and transparency is needed. But privacy and
secrecy have always been a major selling point for people buying multiple
passports, including Chris Kalin, the man who invented the business plan.
Steve Kroft: How many do you have?
Chris Kalin: I have multiple.
Steve Kroft: So you don’t wanna tell us how many
you have?
Chris Kalin: There’s a few things in my life
that, that I don’t talk openly about. And I keep for myself. But I am Swiss
originally and many people think I’m very Swiss and so I’ll leave it at that.
II.
Transcripts with Analysis.
Our introduction to this world of citizenship by
investment came in Dubai – the gleaming, international bazaar – that was
hosting the ninth annual global citizenship conference. Gathered here were
government officials, lawyers, bankers, and real estate developers who
facilitate and profit from the trade of citizenship for cash.
Chris Kalin, Good
evening, and a very warm welcome...
This is the man who
more or less invented the business: Chris Kalin, chairman of Henley and
Partners, a consulting firm with offices, where else, but in Zurich,
Switzerland. For a fee and healthy commissions, Kalin helps countries set up
their program, rewrite their citizenship laws, and recruit people of means
looking for a second, third, or fourth passport, which he sees as just another
travel accessory; a passport of convenience.
Chris Kalin: You
probably have more than one credit card, I would assume. And, you know, if Visa
doesn’t work, Mastercard will do. So I think any wealthy person
nowadays should have more than one credit card. And likewise, you’d have more
than one passport.
The subject uses the universal “you”, which is
appropriate. He speaks for himself, with
“I would assume”, which is strong, as a pronoun, but not with assumption.
What
does he, himself, willingly assert? That
there should be more than one credit card.
He again asserts himself with “I think…” as he offers his opinion that
“any” wealthy person “should” have more than one credit card.
The theme of “credit card” in the plural is
important to him. This should alert us
to the importance of using more than one credit card in the subject’s
language.
Why is it important for “you” (universal) to
have more than one credit card?
a.
“If Visa doesn’t work,
Mastercard will do.” The language begins
with a hypothetical, “if” but continues with the imperative: “Mastercard will do.” This is to say that the process of using
credit is expected. This is often the
language of sales. It reduces the “if”
of the sales to “when.”
***Have more than one credit card... would have more than one
passport
Target audience
is no longer the wealthy. Consider both those who are less wealthy and the possible introduction of false identities created and the successful obtaining of credit cards under such.
Steve Kroft: But
you need to have some money to do this?
Chris
Kalin: Yes.
This is a
strong answer. He needs no other words to buttress his affirming "yes."
“Money” is answered
without sensitivity. The IR will now
increase the defensive posture by not listening:
Steve Kroft:
To be able to do this?
Chris Kalin:
Yes, absolutely. It’s just for wealthy people, of course,
yeah. ...
a.
“yes” would suffice
b.
“absolutely” is added to further strengthen it.
c.
“just” compares wealthy with those who are not wealthy
d.
“of course” is a statement in which the subject wants us to accept
without question.
e.
“yeah” revisits the answer unnecessarily. This is as a result of the IR not listening
and accepting the affirmative. It puts
the subject on the defensive, and has shown a sensitivity towards money.
With “just” a dependent word, it indicates
simple comparison. With money needing
some emphasis, we should consider that the subject (Kalin) has a strong need to
exclude non wealthy people from this.
Why? This needs exploration. It is only due to the lack of money, or is
there more within the subject’s thinking?
With money being important, why would the
subject care to limit this only to the wealthy? He is introducing something here that we should not miss.
What is there within those less than wealthy
that the subject does not wish to discuss here?
What are those with less wealth like?
Who are they?
Do they pose a threat? Or, are they legitimate customers, too?
More information is needed.
Question for Analysis: Will the rest of the statement affirm that he
only wants the wealthy?
We look for his
words to guide us, going forward, allowing the information to influence us...
Narrator: It’s provided St. Kitts and Nevis with
hundreds of millions of dollars for infrastructure projects, private
development, and tourism but a lot of the money is unaccounted for. More than
10,000 people have purchased citizenship here, but it’s almost impossible to
tell who they are because the information is not public. Chris Kalin doesn’t like
the words citizenship for cash, or any suggestion that all you need is money to
get a passport.
Chris Kalin: You
have to go through a process. You have to apply. And you have to answer a
million questions. And you have to undergo a background verification. And you
have, at least in the properly run programs, you have to be a reputable person.
And that’s checked.
The subject begins with the pronoun “you” which
is the universal usage and appropriate.
It designates no single person, outside of the already characterized
“wealthy.”
Next, we look at the order of his answer:
1.
A process
2.
Apply
3.
Answer a million questions
4.
Background verification
5.
Reputable person (qualified).
The order shows priority. There is a “process” that begins before
application. This is the first verbal
indicator of possible deception and fraud within this answer. (please note that the limitation to “wealthy”
is unanswered to this point in the interview.)
1.
A process. Please note that it is “a” process and not
any specific process. By coming before
“apply” suggests preliminary contact and communication before one applies.
2.
A process is specifically non-descript. The vagueness and the use of the article “a”
suggests a fluidity of this process; that is, it is not a set procedure which
opens to the possibility of fraud, by the very need to not identify it as a
specific process.
3.
Apply: the person in
question, “you”, is not here identified only as the “wealthy” but identified in
the 2nd person universal.
Since he previously identified the wealthy, with the words, “of course”,
meaning to take his word for it without question, it is something Statement
Analysis does not do. The wealthy do not
go through this process (“the wealthy applicants”) but “you” do. This leaves open what must be accomplished
before an application is made.
4.
This should question is
there are different “applications” for different people, including the wealthy
and the non-wealthy.
5.
“And you have to answer a
million questions” uses hyperbolic language. This is often found in deceptive statements
in which the subject wishes to persuade, rather than honestly report. The use of the hyperbolic language suggests a
need to make this “process” and “application” very complicated; therefore, very
thorough. One should consider that this need to convince his audience belies
the truth: that the non-descript
procedure goes back to money, rather than details itself. The investigator should not only consider
multiple processes, but possible fraud.
6.
“a million questions” also suggests potential vetting issues. The need to persuade reveals weakness.
7.
Background “verification” is not background checking, nor
background vetting. To “verify” is to avoid vetting and only require a single
confirmation. It does not address criminality nor anything other than to verify
a name. This is increasing in importance as we progress.
8.
Reputable person also avoids anything distinct
or even dangerous. Yet, this is made
even weaker by his own qualification:
9.
“And that’s checked” is unnecessary language. The “process” itself is a system of
“checking” and by adding that which is utterly unnecessary, the subject is
revealing, from his own language and understanding, that this process does not
include any of the normal security vetting done. Like “verification” of one’s “background”
(like a single ‘person’ saying, “yes, I know him”) we now can have “Yes, he’s a
good person” with any name, real or otherwise, “verifying” the person. By emphasizing that “that” is checked, he is
signaling to us that other aspects are not checked. The “reputable” is not only
subjective, it is undefined. The best
question to ask would have been, “Tell me about what “reputable” means to you…”
Here, the subject has revealed a very thinly
veiled attempt to sound thorough. The
need to persuade this shows the very opposite.
The analyst/investigator should not only be on alert for fraudulent
“rubber stamping” of approval, but should remain open that “you” includes more
than just the wealthy.
The language shows that the subject, himself, is
acutely aware of this “process” and has a need to conceal the actual procedures
“you” go through. A “million questions”
has the need to exaggerate rather than report.
This reveals, not only the process, but the subject himself, and what he
is wiling to say and do to be successful.
Narrator: But evidently, not that carefully. About
the only way to identify people who have purchased St. Kitts citizenship is if
they happen to turn up on a list of international fugitives or get in trouble
with the law, and St. Kitts and Nevis has more than its share for two sleepy,
little islands. Its passport holders include a Canadian penny stock
manipulator... a Russian wanted for bribery... a Kazak wanted for
embezzlement... two Ukrainians suspected of bribing a U.N. official... and two
Chinese women wanted for financial crimes.
Chris Kalin: I
think it’s no secret that these islands have made decisions that are not always
optimal.
Please note that he begins with the pronoun “I”,
meaning that the information that follows is likely to contain some reliable
points. He continues to speak for
himself, which helps us gain insight.
Next note that he only “thinks”, rather than
“knows”, which reduces his commitment to his own sentence.
“It’s no secret” is passive language. This allows him to bring forth a thought without
personal responsibility.
He uses the word, “optimal”, which is ‘best choice’, but avoids any reference to
legality.
This is minimizing language which suggests
that he has a need to minimize. What
does this mean?
It means he has direct knowledge of
wrong doing, and a need to minimize it.
***These
islands (closeness) have made decisions…islands do not make decisions. Identity or specific reference to decision
makers is withheld
Steve Kroft: They’ve
taken some bozos, as you would call them?
To classify as “bozos” is a mistake, allowing
the subject to only affirm, without definition, who “bozos” are. TV interviewers focus upon themselves,
seeking to gain attention for their own selves at the expense of
information.
Chris Kalin: Yes, exactly.
Steve Kroft: What
about crooks?
Here is a different classification. We all reveal ourselves when we speak but in the professional interview, we must limit our choice of words whenever possible. A defensive subject is going to limit information, and a contaminated sentence is going to limit analysis.
Chris Kalin: Yes.
It’s goes all the way down to crooks, yeah, absolutely. And it tended
for some time to attract quite a few people that I would never let into
the country. But I’m not the government of St. Kitts and Nevis.
Here is a linguistic indication that suggests
knowledge of more than just “crooks.” He
uses a scale of comparison: “it goes all
the way down…” with emphasis. It is to
affirm, with emphasis (“yeah, absolutely”) the assertion made by the IR. This agreement with emphasis puts the subject
at a position he is comfortable with. By
his own language, he places “crooks” at the bottom. This is a comparison (“those at the top”)
where we are led to believe that the very worst possible would be a thief. This assertion, using comparison, tells us
that the subject is likely aware of those who are “worse than crooks” who are
going through the vague “million question” procedure.
With a “process” coming before application, the investigator
should be fully aware of being possibly vetted. Caution warranted.
***“Islands” are
now government of St. Kitts and Nevis.
Steve Kroft: But
you set up their program.
This is an accusation which will increase
defensive posture. Thus far, the subject
has answered for himself, and even with some weakness, has continued to keep
himself, psychologically, in his answers.
We always note the first departure from this
norm, or standard and what caused it:
Chris Kalin: We helped to set up the program. But, you know, as it is, advisers advise, ministers
decide.
a.
Note the immediate response with the pronoun “we” here. This is a strong indication that the subject
(Kalin) does not want to be “alone” in this response. This is often associated with the
psychological need to share guilt and responsibility.
b.
Note secondly the word “helped” is used. This, too, reduces responsibility on the part
of the subject, himself. He did not
“help”, but “we” helped. “We” did not
facilitate this transaction, but only “helped”, which reduces
responsibility. We note that these two
elements are consistent with one not wishing to bear responsibility nor
guilt.
He, himself was accused, and he, himself as
established the base pattern of authority with the pronoun “I.”
Now, confronted with an accusation, instead of
saying, “I did not…” he avoids a Reliable Denial.
This is a common form of deceptive denials: not only does he avoid responsibility, but in
doing so, he ‘hides’, psychologically, from guilt.
He could have said, “I did not process the
applications of crooks” but to lie outright is to cause internal stress and it
is to be avoided. Instead of denying it,
he not only passes off responsibility to others (note that he does
not say that the ministers decided), but the use of the pronoun “we”
breaks the pattern which tells us that this accusation is so strong that it has
caused him to “retreat” and “surround himself” with others. This is given instead of a denial.
This is a strong indication of his own guilty knowledge and likely participation in the process. This
further shows us his need to persuade the vetting procedure of “million”
questions. He knows what he is doing, he knows what he has done, and has
specific need to not be left alone with this allegation.
“ But, you
know,” as it is, advisers advise, ministers decide. “But” refutes what comes before it. “You know”- shows an increase of awareness of
the Interviewer (and audience) at this point.
Deception via inference or interpretation.
Statement Analysis does not interpret what one
says.
Here, he does not say that he was in an advisory
role vs decision making role, but wants that to be inferred. This, added to the
sensitivity already seen, including the audience reference, indicates an
awareness of direct involvement in this.
Narrator: With vast sums of money flowing into these
island nations, and more and more countries selling their citizenship, there is
consensus that still more oversight and transparency is needed. But privacy and
secrecy have always been a major selling point for people buying multiple
passports, including Chris Kalin, the man who invented the business plan.
Steve Kroft: How
many do you have?
Chris Kalin: I
have multiple.
Steve Kroft: So
you don’t wanna tell us how many you have?
The IR (interviewer) recognizes that the
question was avoided making the question, itself, sensitive to the subject
(Chris Kalin). By avoiding a direct
answer, the importance of the topic (“how many”) is now elevated. The question is worded in the negative, which
is contrary to gaining information as it puts the subject on the
defensive. For analysis, we must
consider that the defensive posture is now impacted by the language of the
IR.
Chris Kalin: There’s
a few things in my life that, that I don’t talk openly about. And
I keep for myself. But I am Swiss originally and many people think I’m very
Swiss and so I’ll leave it at that.
1. First notice that the pronoun “I” now returns
to the subject. This is a personal and
direct question and he recognizes it as such.
2. The
subject is put on the defensive, and introduces a plurality of elements (“few”
is generally 3 or more) that he withholds.
He states that there are other things (elements) associated with the
answer he avoids giving. This is very
important because these elements likely impact one another.
3. Note the
use of “openly” can be associated with sexuality. It is not definitive, but should be
considered. If it is part of the
equation, it is only one part and any investigation into
fraud (diversion of money, ‘entertainment expenses’) must consider the topic of sexual activity,
including prostitutes, black mail, etc, as part of the overall
investigation.
4. The
subject is ‘openly’ concealing information.
Not only is the number of passports he possesses sensitive to him,
activities associated with these passports is sensitive to him. This suggests that criminal activity (or any
activity that triggers guilt) may be associated with the locales involved. This may be unrelated to “how” the passports
were gained (though some fraud may be involved) but it is the locations,
plural, that there is a need to conceal.
(see “Swiss originally” and “very Swiss.”).
5. “But I am Swiss originally” suggests a
disconnect between his behavior as a Swiss (very Swiss) person and behavior
that he doesn’t talk “openly” about. If
Swiss culture is “open” and “tolerant”, it is a verbal indication of
involvement in something the Swiss are not likely to accept or be tolerant
of. This is likely criminal in
nature.
Does the subject have illegal accounts or criminal
involvement in these other locales (beyond Switzerland)?
Has he engaged in illegal activities, including sexual,
in these other locations?
Is the evidence of criminal activity (including fraud) at
these other locales.
He could have given an answer that would have satisfied
the question, such as “two”, (which, if he has three, remains a technically
truthful answer, as he does have these two; a common form of deception) but
this would lead to “where is your other passport…?” which would mean revealing
a location.
This avoidance heightens the need to conceal
location. It is very likely to go well
beyond just the means of obtaining a passport.
He does not wish to identify any other location for a reason and the
reason is “very sensitive” information.
Analysis
Conclusion:
Deception
Indicated.
Chris Kalin is not truthful in the interview regarding
fraudulent selling of passports. This
fraudulent activity is very likely to include elements preceding the sale of
passports.
He uses various means of deception which suggests illegal
(and unacceptable, culturally) behavior involving the selling of passports and
this is seen in specific elements, beginning with the process.
Unnecessary Information
When a subject gives us “unnecessary information”, it is
an indication of very important information.
Case in point:
First, only the wealthy can afford to purchase a passport.
2nd case in point: only the educated can navigate a “million”
questions.
3rd:
only the ‘right’ people can pass the background “verification” with good
reputation.
It is unnecessary to say that only the wealthy can afford
to purchase foreign passports. This is
very important to him and will likely be very important in the
investigation.
Of particular interest is the selling of passports to
those who are less than “wealthy”; that is, to those he knows are not
purchasing passports for enjoyment of riches, but have other motives involved;
motives he does not wish to discuss. The wealthy do not worry that their Visa
card will be declined so they will use their Mastercard, but those of newly
processed identities will struggle.
He wants to be seen as only selling to the wealthy who are looking for
vacation lands. This attempt to move the
conversation away from others highlights that “others”, those who are not
wealthy, may constitute either the majority or a very high minority of
sales. They are important to the
business and likely contains people with illicit motives.
The investigation should include the manufacturing of false
identifications. This
may be part of the “process” one goes through specifically before an
application can be made. This false identity
would then need, not investigation, but “verification” and may lead to the
failed attempt at one credit card, but successful at another.
Identity theft should be considered.
By his own classification of “crooks” at the bottom
suggest more nefarious clientele which may include terrorism, arms traders,
drug traffickers and possibly even the movement of women in the prostitution
trade. (see “open” in his language, and compare this to Swiss culture or
acceptance).
He deliberately obfuscates the process of obtainment and
with the “pre application” step, combined with a televised interview, he and
his company will be screening deliberately for investigators into the scam. This
should not be ignored as it is a priority in his language:
Steps needed and taken before application is
made.
This may be where the investigation has the most success
infiltrating the scam.
He gives indication that his crimes are not restricted to
any one locale, but likely has specific illegal activities in the very places where
the passports are given. This indicates
guilty knowledge and association
with those “ministers” of whom he distances himself from.
The subject is of above average intelligence and is
likely well connected to various underground movement; particularly those of a
criminal vein.
In the deceptive language is the awareness of guilt in deliberately providing
criminal element or those “not” of ‘good reputation’ and the implementation of
various means at his disposal. See his broken pattern of “I” where he changes
to “we” as a signal of specific and personal guilt of a criminal nature.
Looking Forward
He will likely have an immediate change of practice,
particularly in the few months following the airing of this interview, before the
loss of revenue becomes acute, forcing him back to his previous methods (or
even more lax methods) to rebuild the business.
Infiltration into the “process” will be more difficult in the immediate
future, but this is not likely to last.
The strong emphasis on money and the lack of
responsibility suggest recklessness.
This is where a strong intellect can betray itself under the lure of
both success and money. As money
decreases, impatience can drive him to careless error.
In the airing of the interview, expect a team of lawyers
to have already brought in new application “questions” to echo his exaggerated
claim of “millions” to further legitimize what he revealed to be a most
illegitimate process. This may not,
however, impact the “pre-application process” that is important to Kalin,
making “verification” something important to him.
Peter Hyatt
Disclaimer: This is the personal opinion of Peter Hyatt and Mr. Kalin is judicially innocent until charged and convicted in a court of law. This material may not be reproduced without written permission from Hyatt Analysis Services.
30 comments:
A million questions could be leakage related to millions of dollars.
Someone who is not "wealthy" could be someone who is a fugitive or a criminal who has the cash, but is not well-regarded.
Going on the premise that people essentially tell the truth particularly when being deceptive.
Strong answer
Steve Kroft: But you need to have some money to do this?
Chris Kalin: Yes.
A strong affirmation the consumer needs a vague amount of "some" money - not necessarily a very large amount of money, such as the minimum $250,000 investment needed for St Kitts and Nevis. The vagueness surrounding the amount of money rings alarm bells for me and suggests that much smaller amounts are at play.
Weak answer
Steve Kroft: To be able to do this?
Chris Kalin: Yes, absolutely. It’s just for wealthy people, of course, yeah. ...
"just", "of course", "absolutely", yeah..." all weaknesses and language of persuasion / perception management.
Interesting post. It's sounds like a very smart person doing some exceptionally dumb things. I would suspect that Dr Kalin did actually start out as a decent man. When you have a system that does not sufficiently regulate human conduct then even decent people can turn bad.
Anonymous wrote:
It's sounds like a very smart person doing some exceptionally dumb things.
Great quote.
I just learned that he issued a press release from his attorneys..
surprise surprise.
Peter,
This is excellent and fascinating analysis. Thank you.
“It’s no secret” is passive language.
Is this in the same vein as spreading the blame/we? Or being "above reproach"?
Something else I see when I look at “no” secret, (aside from introducing the word secret) it’s an affirmative statement, yet stated in the negative, IMO, making it sensitive. It's like saying, nothing to see here/NTP. However, those “in the know” (per his word "secret") may be aware of many problems within the process making the approval process, "illegal".
OT,
Something bugging me about the worst tragedy in Baltimore, MD.
6 out of 9 children perished in a house fire yesterday.
The Father was at work, Mother was at home.
The 3 kids who survived weren't rescued by their Mother.
An 8 year old saved her 2 siblings according to multiple sources.
Just found a Washington Post article and something about it is bugging me.
The Mother's reported reaction seems so muted to me.
Wouldn't any Mother of nine kids risk being burned to TRY and save her babies? ?
The only kids who lived were ones who were saved by their sibling !
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/6-children-missing-after-baltimore-house-fire/2017/01/12/16e6eb4a-d8c0-11e6-9f9f-5cdb4b7f8dd7_story.html?utm_term=.008f79c8b26
Am I off base here ? Perhaps I don't understand enough about shock, but since I have read reports that neighbors could HEAR the screams of the kids in the house, why did't the Mother do everything possible to save them ?? Why be so numb when there was some slim hope ?
Mother's exchange with neighbor while house was on fire.
From WaPo:
"As flames shot from windows of a home teetering on collapse, Robert Spencer saw his neighbor approach from the glow, her face blackened and burned.
He had been awakened Thursday by the sound of shattering glass followed by a whoosh shortly after midnight.
“Where are the babies?” Spencer asked Katie Malone as the heat grew more intense.
“It’s three of them in the back yard,” she answered quietly, walking toward Spencer as if in slow motion, a numb look on her face.
“Where are the other ones at?” Spencer asked.
“Upstairs.”
Spencer wanted to rush inside to rescue the children, but the flames were too intense.
Hours later, after firefighters combed through burned rubble by hand and used a cadaver dog in their search, they recovered six bodies believed to be the children of Katie and Bill Malone.
...................
An 8-year-old daughter helped two of her younger brothers escape to the back yard.
OT pt2 Baltimore fir:
One more interview with same neighbor
Witnesses say the home was engulfed before anyone could even call 911.
Neighbors tried to help.
Robert Spencer ran across the street, but the blaze blocked him from getting to the children trapped inside.
“The little kids, I heard them yell. I saw the mother come from the flames around there. I thought I was in a movie,” said Spencer.
“I spoke with the mother and I asked her, ‘Where the other kids at?’ and she said ‘The other kids is around the side.’You know, I thought all of them was there, but the other ones was upstairs.”
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2017/01/13/cause-of-house-fire-investigated-as-community-mourns-6-children/#.WHlRQZkP_i0.twitter
She thought all of the kids (including a 9 month old baby) were outside ????????
And darn it, Dad's statement even bugs me. I can not imagine losing my loved ones and the next day talking about gofundme !@!@@@@#@
The children’s father, William Malone has released a statement to the public:
“My family and I are deeply grateful for the outpouring of love and support we have received in the wake of the tragic fire my wife and children experienced. We continue to receive kind offers from many who wish to help. We ask that monetary donations be sent to the GoFundMe account we have set up at https://www.gofundme.com/malone-housefire. We will have information regarding non-monetary donations at a later date. As you can imagine, this is an extremely difficult time for my family, and I ask that our privacy be respected at this time.”
OT:
12-year-old girl disappears after heading to school bus stop in St. Louis Wednesday morning
ST. LOUIS • Police are searching for a missing St. Louis girl who left for her school bus stop early Wednesday and hasn’t been seen since.
Kameill Taylor, 12, left for the bus stop about 6:10 a.m. from her home in the 5300 block of Labadie Avenue, near Union Boulevard, police said.
The girl was to meet a friend and then walk to a bus stop a few blocks away at Maffitt Avenue and Union, her mother told police.
But Kameill never showed up at her friend’s house and never arrived at Carr Lane Middle School. Her mother said this is unusual behavior for Kameill.
“She loved going to school,” said Shonta Taylor, 31. “She was bubbly and energetic. She was not wild or the kind of girl who would get in trouble."
This is very early (3 days) for a biological mother to use past tense language. Does she believe or have knowledge that she is deceased. Have LE or anyone gave her reason to think this way?
The past tense is consistent and may not hold as much weight if she had slipped into past tense language then corrected herself and returned to present tense.
Peter!
She was chosen student of the month for December, and her photo was taken there Monday to go along with the honor.
Taylor and family members have been searching alleys, vacant houses and the route Kameill was to have walked to the bus stop. Police have been canvassing the area, Taylor said.
“It’s like my baby vanished,” she said.
Kameill is about 5 feet 7 inches, 160 pounds and has medium-length braided hair. She was wearing black and purple Nike Air Jordan tennis shoes, black scrub-style pants and a black polo shirt with a dark-colored plaid coat. She carried a bright-colored plaid book bag.
Authorities asked anyone with information about Kameill’s whereabouts to call 911.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/year-old-girl-disappears-after-heading-to-school-bus-stop/article_2d735ce7-82d5-5a47-bc36-4a43c96b7452.html
Kameill has been found and is in the hospital.
There are a few more quotes from the mother - present tense.
http://www.kmov.com/story/34248296/police-searching-for-missing-12-year-old-girl
I have two comments. The first is to Anonymous who wrote at 7:03pm about the horrific fire that caused the deaths of 6 children. I looked at the Go Fund page and was astounded to see they are trying to raise $500, 000 ! Where did they come up with that figure just a day after the fire? They have raised half of that in 3 days. That's a large sum of money.
The second is the John's post about the missing 12 year old girl in St.Louis. That's quite clearly past tense when the mother described her daughter's actions. It immediately reminded me of Hailey Dunn's story where she was headed to her friend's for a sleep over, per her mother's boyfriend, but never made it. Eerie. And Hailey went missing in 2010. Her remains were found a few years ago. Hailey's case remains open. However, I just read an article from Big Country where Billie Jean Dunn, her mother, stated that a show Crime Watch Daily was getting involved to do a series and would give the case publicity. I hope it does and arrests will be made. Hailey was a beautiful little girl and her story grabbed the attention of this entire country.
Billie also spoke of Hailey in past tense on the Nancy Grace show. :(
Re my OT:
FOUND! Missing 12-year-old last seen walking to bus stop is safe
A 12-year old St. Louis girl, missing since Wednesday, has been located and is now safe.
Police say Kameill Taylor was found Friday night in the upstairs of a vacant house in the 5300 block of Terry in north St. Louis.
Taylor was alone when they found her, police said.
Police only shared limited details about their investigation, but emphasized they do not believe she went into this home on her own. The home is located within walking distance of the bus stop at the corner of Maffit and Union where her family says she was walking to on Wednesday.
12-year old Kameill Taylor has been located. She has been transported to the hospital for treatment. We will provide additional details soon— St. Louis, MO Police (@SLMPD) January 14, 2017
Police say Taylor was found conscious, with some clothing and her backpack. She suffered some trauma and is being treated at a local hospital. Police would not share more details about her injuries.
Earlier search efforts in this area had turned up nothing, but tonight police decided to look again in this area where there are several vacant buildings. It was during this renewed effort that she was found.
"We just started going from block to block, house to house – and we weren’t going to stop," said Lt. Perri Johnson, Commander for the Juvenile Division of the St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department. "We were going to search every house that we could until we found her."
Johnson credits the community support, federal partners, and detectives with the department for a successful search.
According to the missing person report, Taylor left her home on the 5300 block of Labadie Avenue at around 6:10 Wednesday morning, but never made it to school.
Her mother said she typically met a friend at Terry Avenue on the way to the bus stop at Maffit and Union, and the two walk the rest of the way to the bus stop. On Wednesday, her friend said she never saw Taylor and Taylor never made it to school.
Police said the icy weather and dropping temperatures made an important search even more critical.
"We couldn’t take a chance, it was very critical," he said. "It's hard for somebody to survive out there in these elements by themselves -- Let alone, being a young girl. We knew time was against us and we knew we had to exhaust as much as we could."
Police shared few details about Taylor's condition and their investigation.
http://www.ksdk.com/news/found-missing-12-year-old-last-seen-walking-to-bus-stop-is-safe/386017580
I'm wondering if the mother was asked questions in the past tense.
Did she like school?
What was he personality like?
etc..
Did she speak in the free editing process?
Was she entering another's language?
Was the weather (bad) a factor?
What was her health like?
I'm curious about Kameill Taylor.
Why did she leave two hours before school started, to walk approx. 5 minutes to a bus stop, to catch a bus that would take at max. 15 minutes to the school, which had a bell time of 8:05 a.m.?
Sunrise was approx. 7:15 a.m.
Was her mother Shonta notified by the attendance office at school that Shonta was missing?
Disregard my previous timing comment. I calculated distance from Kameill's bus stop to the wrong school. There may have been a number of stops in between her pickup and the school.
From Kameill's mom on facebook 1/13/17 @ 1:02 am
https://www.facebook.com/shontarealistbytch.harris/posts/1629756937040184
"CAN'T SLEEP So i have to say something.
.thanks for evey one prayers please keep them coming ..
...BUT i HAVE TO VENT ....(So in my loudest voice i can ever make) kameill an'renee Taylor were are you .mommy so worried call me same number 3146006458 i waiting on u on ladadie member i told u the #4 r # 13 bus will all ways get u home if you ever get lost" i love u IM Here IM up lights on # NO MATTER WHAT TIME"
https://www.gofundme.com/kameill-taylors-recovery
Kameill Taylor's recovery
GFM
Hello, all, my name is Andrew Black Jr, the uncle of Kameill Taylor. As a family, we've recenlty experienced heartbreaking trumoil and trauma. With God Almighty being in control, wounds will heal and scars will fade away! Her mother, Shonta Taylor has been an outstanding warrior standing firm during this whole ordeal. During this extremely emotional road to recovery, Kameill will need means to help heal her mind, body and soul. Any amount of proceeds will be used to benefit the family in everyway possible. This would mean the world to Shonta, Kameill and the rest of their immeadiate family. We will be forever grateful.
Help spread the word!
https://www.gofundme.com/kameill-taylors-recovery
Interesting.
Order is important and he starts with As a family, we've recenlty experienced heartbreaking trumoil and trauma.
It is not they who suffered, it is Kameill (allegedly)
Surely she shouyld be the priority.
Order is important, we have turmoil and trauma
I would have thought trauma would have been more important due to physicality than turmoil which would be confusion and upset.
With God Almighty being in control, wounds will heal and scars will fade away!
Whose wounds and scars?
He does not tell us.
Mental and/or physical?
Her mother, Shonta Taylor has been an outstanding warrior standing firm during this whole ordeal.
Full social introduction for the mother yet Kameill is not given a name, she is referred to only as her
Praise is given to the mother who is described as an outstanding warrior standing firm during this whole ordeal
A warrior is a fighter, what was the mom fighting for?
Surely it would be Kameill who was the warrior standing firm, enduring, being brave and then being found.
Kameill will need means to help heal her mind, body and soul. Any amount of proceeds will be used to benefit the family in everyway possible.
Any amount of proceeds
There is no limit to the amount of money that will be used to help the immediate family.
It is however the family who will benefit in every way possible.
Note the money will not be used to solely benefit Kameill, she who supposedly would need it most.
Are we now seeing leakage as to perhaps a motive?
What is meant by every way possible?
Are we talking new car, shopping trips, vacations?
Why not use the money to benefit the alleged victim?
It is she who would need counseling if the crime happened as claimed.
Why not put the money towards college even?
This would mean the world to Shonta, Kameill and the rest of their immeadiate family. We will be forever grateful.
Again this speaks to me of motive, a possible scam even.
Shonta is placed first, making her the priority, the most important in relation to donations.
Kameill (the alleged victim) is placed second, even though by rights she should be the priority.
The rest of the immediate family is placed last.
The author is the uncle of Kameill.
He ends with We will be forever grateful.
Who does he class as the immediate family?
Does he include himself as he uses the pronoun we indicating unity and shared cooperation?
There is something off with this story.
Was this faked in order to get donations?
I would be looking at the family dynamics, financial history such as debts, criminal or CPS history.
https://www.gofundme.com/kameill-taylors-recovery
$240 of $5,000 goal
Raised by 5 people in 13 hours
Hmm this makes me think there are others who are thinking something is off.
Looking at the donations
$20
Anonymous
11 mins ago
Share
$10
Anonymous
5 hours ago
Share
PS
$10
Patricia Scott
6 hours ago
Share
SB
$100
Stacy Belton
11 hours ago
Share
$100
DeAngela Belton
12 hours ago
Please share! Anything will help! Thanks in advance!
The two highest donations made me wonder if they were related or knew Kameill.
Deangela is Kameill's aunt.
From her FB page: DeAngela Belton
https://www.facebook.com/deangela.belton.9?lst=534610909%3A100006432159104%3A1484488815
Yesterday at 1:53am · Ferguson, MO, United States ·
My niece has been found. Thank you for your prayers.
Stacy Belton also seems to be a relative as well.
I can't access her FB but the Finding Kameil Taylor group on FB would seem to indicate a relationship.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/216502108810799/.
The two biggest donors are family, whilst 4 anons have donated 2x$10 and 2 x $20 ( i wonder if they are related?)
They aren't going to get much with $240.
John,
I'm wondering if the 12 year-old met someone on-line and they arranged an early morning "hook-up".
Police say Taylor was found conscious, with some clothing and her backpack. She suffered some trauma and is being treated at a local hospital. Police would not share more details about her injuries.
It sounds like the relationship between mom and daughter is tenuous,i.e., daughter growing up fast. 5 feet 7 inches, 160 pounds. She's off the charts for a 12 year-old, appearing "older" than her peers.
" i waiting on u "
jmo
tania said,
There is something off with this story.
Was this faked in order to get donations?
You could be onto something. The mother doesn't address a third party in her broadcast. She is addressing her daughter directly.
"i waiting on u"
"CAN'T SLEEP So i have to say something.
.thanks for evey one prayers please keep them coming ..
...BUT i HAVE TO VENT ....(So in my loudest voice i can ever make) kameill an'renee Taylor were are you . mommy so worried call me same number 3146006458 i waiting on u on ladadie member i told u the #4 r # 13 bus will all ways get u home if you ever get lost" i love u IM Here IM up lights on # NO MATTER WHAT TIME"
The mom isn't looking, she's "broadcasting".
The mom is not trying to appeal to anyone who might have her daughter.
She's showing herself to be a good m"mommy" (if you ever get lost).
She is not "missing" or "taken" she is "lost" (and can be found).
I, I, I, I, I,.....
lights (trauma, wounds)
They are now up to $695 on their gofundme.
I asked what the money would be spent on benefiting the family, i did not donate.
Will they respond?
@Tania
Someone did.
"
Flenecia Black
29 mins ago
Tania, the funds will be used for feeding her other children, funds for transportation back and forth to the hospital, keeping up with day to day needs as she us unable to work at this time while she cares for Kameill."
O/T
Anyone watching the Leah Remini special on A&E re: Scientology?
I'm curious as to others 'thinking' & BELIEFS -As to this supposed 'church'¿
Peter, thoughts?
Have you had a chance to view any of these 'airings'?
Have you ever 'analyzed' anything/anyone/any statements pertaining to Scientology?
CptKD,
Unfortunately A&E has to be "purchased" here in Canada. I gave up cable. I still get TV (by law) but I don't get anything up above Channel 13, which is "limited". i.e., like parliamentary channels. Super interesting, edge-of-your-seat kind of viewing. :0)
GFM Kameill Taylor's recovery
$5,100 of $5,000 goal
@Tania
"Kimberly Momphard
1 hour ago
Tania, I don't know if you will read this, but I feel your question was rude. It is common sense what this family will use this money for. And for that matter, even if it was for being able to live comfortably while this mother sits by her child's side. She should have to worry about nothing, EXECPT love her family. She has had one child that has been through god only knows what. Plus having to comfort her other children while trying to crack the hell up herself. So, what she shouldnt have to worry about. Is money plain and simple. smdh."
To come back to the analysis of Chris Kalin, it seems he has lied throughout his interview.
Having been privy to information around the St. Kitts & Nevis passport program. It was Chris Kalin who recommended that the date of birth be taken off the passports and placed in a chip. This had serious repercussions with banks and anti-money laundering regulation. Combined with the nefarious individuals going through the program it presents a serious international concern.
When Chris Kalin talks about being an adviser, not a minister, he is projecting the blame. The government depended on his expert advice which has backfired. Further to his statement about advisers advise, and ministers decide - This is a fact, not an answer, its somewhat of a smokescreen to divert the conversation.
I suspect the reason he wanted to divert the conversation is because he is the Honorary Council of St. Kitts & Nevis to Zurich. So he is a diplomat! So he IS the government of St. Kitts despite what he says. This would also explain why he was deceptive and evasive when asked about how many passports he owns.
Good comments, Dan, in particular the refusal to take responsibility is quite strong. This is insight into how to interview him.
Peter
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