Peter Hyatt on "Crime Wire": The Murder of Amanda Blackburn
February 23, 2017, Peter Hyatt will be a guest on "Crime Wire" live broadcast, and will be taking your calls and questions at 9am to 1030AM EST.
Amanda Blackburn was a victim of a sexual homicide in which arrests have been made.
Questions, however, remain in one of the most bizarre 'solved' murder cases of recent years.
Peter Hyatt will share analysis of the case, including deception detection techniques, and what this may mean for justice.
Imagine Publicity Blog : broadcast of the show on Madeleine McCann 2016.
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«Oldest ‹Older 601 – 800 of 4313 Newer› Newest»flightfulbird said...I wouldn't be surprised if Davey completely disappears before the trials ever happen. Sort of him thinking if you can't find me, you can't arrest me. Although running would make him look guilty for sure, even more guilty than he already looks. And that would shoot down his appearances and photo ops with his new happy family.
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He ran the first time, straight to SC, partly because he wanted the theatrics of the auditorium in the background for interviews and, in my opinion, because that's what guilty folk do, they typically run.
Here's a little shindig Davey will be speaking at, no children under 12 disclaimer. Cheap tickets @ $30 per plate. They probably have a tough time giving them away. http://ediblemichiana.ediblecommunities.com/event/celebrating-life-benefit-dinner
Can anyone recommend some other sites that discuss the Blackburn murder? DataLounge was good but has slowed down a lot. Thanks.
If memory serves, Crazy Davey ran to SC (and made that disgraceful speech about Amanda having to die so that Gods bride could come alive) and then promptly ran to Israel, to sit shirtless by the pool with PN and take dawn walks with some beauty contestant.
I was surprised crazy Davey returned from Israel.
No that's not right. He had a pow wow with PN and other heads of Newspring church in SC to discuss strategies and funding and then ran to Elkhart to relay his conversation in the shower with God, then went to Israel. I think that's right. Then he went to the mountains to write songs, then he went to a beach house, then NAS car races, then a Cubs game and then an island to play golf, and then....
Was that the same Hey Davey speech Davey received in the shower? I'm starting to mix up my Hey Davey messages.
Crazy Davey can talk about how much he has suffered (triage ffs!) since Amanda's murder, as much as he likes. The fact is that his Instagram and face book tell a very different story. We have been watching him for the past two years. We know the truth about his "grief."
It was non existent. He even had to cover his ass when people commented about it; which people did. (He couldn't believe that people "could be heartless enough to insert themselves into this narrative and tell me how to grieve".) hahaha. Poor, well meaning friends told him his behaviour was off and he called them"heartles."
"It looks like strength to the world" he said of his unseemly joyousness. No. It looked like what it was. Jubilation. The opposite of grief. "It's a peace that passes all understanding!" He squeals inhis defense. Yep. Got that right.
Oh Dear Trudy,
Haven't you heard? Baking improves mental health!
I think my most soothing recipe is Blondies. They are so simple to make! They start with a gentle melting of butter mixed with brown sugar.
The smell soothes.
The stirring relaxes.
The oven is heating.
As soon at the mixture bubbles, it comes off the heat. More butter is spread in the baking pan. Flour, baking soda, baking powder, cinnamon and salt are measured and ready. If you like, nuts are chopped - and those can be mixed into the batter while it is still hot, as well as the baking powders, cinnamon, and vanilla. These ingredients help the hot butter/sugar mix cool enough to add eggs without cooking them.
Then everything is combined in the same pot used to melt the butter. The best part is adding chocolate chips or caramel bits or coconut or other tasty morsels before spreading it all into the baking pan.
Pop it into the oven and 40 minutes later everyone in the house is smiling and making happy yummy noises.
Help sought, and delivered! Baking therapy is the BEST!
Bingo, I watched the part about the mercy cakes, and i still can't make sense of that whole spiel! He sure makes the men carrying the cakes look silly following him, but how does that whole mixing of ingredients, that if you use one ingredient it's terrible, but mix them all and you get goodness and mercy cake, lol! I don't think of goodness and mercy as cake! It doesn't make sense in the context of following Jesus, does it? Do you all realize you can call yourself a pastor, or minister without any training or license? Hence, Davey Blackburn. You don't have have a church either.
https://www.quora.com/What-is-required-for-me-to-become-a-nondenominational-Christian-pastor
Sirensong, it is utterly ridiculous! He makes leaders of these churches follow him with those awful cakes. He bosses them around and tells them where to go. He enjoys controlling people.
The bitter ingredient is a murder, but mix that in with all the cash flow, insurance money, golf trips, a new house, replacement wife, new car, continuous travel, book deals and it turns into a delicious life.
The absolute kicker in that United DEL was him blowing his nose and throwing the tissue off the stage. He is just pure awfulness.
Bingo said...
https://twitter.com/Samantha44Smith?lang=en
The above is Samantha's tweet on the two year anniversary of her husband's death. She is the wife of the Butler basketball player who died from cancer. Davey interviewed her on his podcast. He told her he can't imagine going through that???!!!!
Samantha Smith "had time to prepare her heart leading up to" her husband's death and yet two years later she is still crushed and so sweet remembering their last day together and her memories of him. What a beautiful tribute.
Cancer does (usually) give time to sort things out and prepare for the worst even when patients and their families are hoping for the best and doing everything they can to treat such a nasty disease. Once a cancer diagnosis happens, even if the prognosis is favorable with surgery or treatment or both, it's a guessing game as to how things will go and in my experience, most people understand from the start that it could be goodbye and it might just be a matter of time.
But what is striking to me in the light of this tweet from Samantha Smith is that Davey and Amanda's friends and family were supposedly caught unaware when this happened to Amanda When Davey walked in from the gym and found Amanda that morning, you would think their world was shattered suddenly and without warning and that all of them would be reeling from the shock, unable to even think or eat or sleep - not so prepared for it - with written statements or with worshiping and praise or anything else.
Yes I've written this before but reading Samantha Smith's tweet brought it all back. Look at her grief - someone who KNEW she was going to lose her husband - compared to Davey who was supposedly blindsided that morning and just moved on like it was nothing - immediately started marketing, selling T shirts, had his statement ready to go, said the best is yet to come and that all things work together for good ?!
Davey tries to explain his lack of grief by saying Levi Lusko's video had prepared his heart leading up to Amanda's death (fine, if he had known it was going to happen - not so much if it was totally a surprise) - and that he had a feeling that they were about to walk through a season of pain - and that he trusts God and His plan and that Amanda would have said yes to this happening to her if it was God's agenda for her life.
What happened to Amanda that morning was NOT a surprise to Davey - maybe not to some others as well. That was a huge slip-up when he said the Lord had used that video to prepare his heart leading up to Amanda's death - how would he have known he needed to prepare his heart leading up to her death if he didn't know she was going to die?
It would make far more sense if Samantha Smith said that video had prepared her heart - totally expected in a cancer situation for loved ones to prepare their hearts to say goodbye.
Blackburn suspect: ‘I don’t want’ speedy trial
http://wishtv.com/2015/11/24/dna-evidence-cell-phone-records-help-track-down-blackburn-murder-suspects/
“The two men gave short “yes” or “no” answers, except when the judge asked about a speedy trial.
“I don’t want that,” Watson remarked.”
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https://www.in.gov/judiciary/2725.htm
“Criminal proceedings move relatively quickly as delays attributable to the prosecutor or court can violate the Defendant's right to a speedy trial and cause the charges to be dismissed.”
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I hope that the process is expedited in a timely manner. I also hope that the delay so far is because LE is not finished gathering/interpreting evidence. Also hoping JW’s not wanting a speedy trial is so that everything he knows can be communicated and worked through and verified.
It would be interesting to know why JW does not want a speedy trial. I could be misinterpreting; I don’t know enough about these types of legal proceedings. Maybe a legal mind can chime in.
Watson was wise to waive his right to a speedy trial. It allowed time for a plea deal to be negotiated. The original charges would have included felony murder. That's off the table now.
If he had pleaded not guilty to felony murder and insisted on his right to a speedy trial, he would not have time to prepare an adequate defense, and would likely be found guilty.
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Unfortunately for Watson, DG and LT will still be going to trial for murder. Watson will be expected to testify against them as part of his plea deal. That is a powerful motive for DG and LT to silence JW in any way they can. Already on fb, the gang members have talked about Watson being "too federal" and attempts have been made to attack ( "jump") Watson. Watson requested solitary. What does that tell you?
I'm afraid Watson's days may be numbered. One of the reasons people pleading not guilty to serious offenses waive their right to a speedy trial is because witnesses die, move, or forget things over time. And that's good for the the accused.
"At some point during that robbery, the men discovered they were on surveillance video and disconnected the camera, the documents say. Taylor allegedly wanted to kill the occupant because he had been seen on camera, but Watson and the third man convinced him to leave."
Why, if he wanted to kill her because he discovered he was on camera, did they not take the camera? You'll kill but not take the evidence? It makes zero sense. They take the big tv's, but the small electronics aren't enough to take? Amanda's phone? It doesn't jive with the story of them wanting "more", hence moving on to the Blackburns. Would you not take the valuables in the prior home before moving on? Instead of threatening to kill, wouldn't you just stuff that camera in the bag with the rest of the loot?
A Blackburn neighbor said his cameras caught "people" on video. There's a reason the still shot pics were released instead of the rolling footage and Davey knows it.
Kate@January 21, 2018 at 7:24 PM
"They take the big tv's, but the small electronics aren't enough to take?"
Maybe the small stuff isn't worth their time. If this is what they do for a living, they probably have more small stuff than they need, and it wouldn't bring in as big a return. It looks like they grab big and move on.
Would it really profit them to remove the camera, especially if it was a pain to remove? These days everything is stored on the cloud anyway. Removing the camera wouldn't do much good, I don't think, and it would take a bit more time to rip out of there.
Amanda's phone was upstairs by her bed. Is there evidence they went up there?
Why do you assert that Amanda's bed was upstairs? The master bedroom was on the main floor.
Anonymous@8:12 PM
https://www.redfin.com/IN/Indianapolis/2812-Sunnyfield-Ct-46228/home/60107031
Pictures 9 and 16 look to have low, vaulted ceilings. If their bedroom was on the first floor, it would have a high vaulted ceiling, since the rooms on the first floor seem to have two-storey ceilings. The only bedroom left is the nursery, and it is on the second floor. Did I get it wrong? Please let me know. Thanks.
^^Sorry, Anonymous@8:28 PM
Risky taking the big items as that is more easily noticed and tv's have been cheap for a while. The cell phones, laptops, cash, jewelry are the bigger ticket items.
Point taken on the surveillance being stored on icloud, though I don't think that was their initial thought process.
Not sure what evidence they have to suggest if they moved around the house or upstairs, but if they did, I'm sure their dna followed.
I wonder why they go for the large items (TVs)? Is it worth their trouble wiping a cell phone, can you even do that these days, don't they automatically lock down in most cases? Laptops, they must have a lot of them, since they take them from each place, according to the information that I have read related to this case. Cash, yes, definitely. I'm not sure if AB and DB's bedroom was upstairs. I thought it was until Anonymous at 8:28 PM said that it was on the first floor. In that case, AB's cell phone would have been readily available and nearby, if the thief bothered. I haven't read any information to the fact that her cell was taken. Thanks.
https://www.redfin.com/IN/Indianapolis/2812-Sunnyfield-Ct-46228/home/60107031
About the location of the bedrooms and master bedroom upstairs vs downstairs -
Pictures 9 and 10 show the same bedroom from two different angles - and picture 10 shows a laundry basket, dark brown with a white liner, on the slanted wall at the entry into the room.
It looks like the same laundry basket is visible in picture 5 (on the right side of the pic) - which was taken from the downstairs dining / barstool area looking toward the kitchen. So the master bedroom would be downstairs on the right / back side of the house if that room is what I think it is.
If you walk in through the front door - cut to the left and walk through the living room to approach the dining / bar stool area - turn right before getting to the French doors leading out to the back - and then the kitchen is on the left and that bedroom would be straight ahead.
The other two bedrooms seen in pictures 14 and 16 are much smaller - I believe those two rooms are upstairs because there are windows in each room which look like they'd correspond to one window in the front upstairs of the house and one window upstairs in back. These rooms don't look large enough for a master but definitely would be large enough for a nursery and a spare room (and large enough to lock up Mel - obviously).
And we know Weston was upstairs, um, still upstairs, uh, up in his crib softly cooing behind the still-closed door. According to Davey, Weston's door was completely untouched.
How does Davey know this for sure - that the door was completely untouched, still-closed - if he was at the gym and this happened while he was gone.
And how does Davey explain how Mel was locked up - from the video I posted before, Mel would not have let anyone she didn't know (1) get anywhere near Amanda or (2) carry her into a bedroom and lock her up.
Davey is on way to Israel with Amanda's parents. He called them Mom and Dad. Davey also instastoried himself reclining in a chair watching movies on the airplane. It look like he had an entire section to himself. Man, I sure realize pastoring 100 could be so lucrative!
This is what Davey said about Amanda's tombstone:
It says Blackburn really big and if you’re over looking at the side it says Amanda Grace
That is what we need to know about this case in a nutshell.
[i]Kate said...
Risky taking the big items as that is more easily noticed and tv's have been cheap for a while. The cell phones, laptops, cash, jewelry are the bigger ticket items.
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No, they're not, they're just easier to hide. Stolen TV's are easy money, and thieves don't have to worry about GPS tracking, passwords and other security measures like with cell phones and laptops.
[i]Kate said...
Point taken on the surveillance being stored on icloud, though I don't think that was their initial thought process.[/i]
Long before there were clouds, footage from security cameras was stored somewhere [i]other than the camera,[/i] whether a computer hard drive or VHS tape or whatever. Everyone, inlcuding the thugs, knows that taking the camera accomplishes nothing. Everyone except you, apparently. Just admit you're clueless instead of projecting your cluelessness onto the thugs "thought process." They knew.
Why didn't the thugs steal Davey's TV? It was in the same room that Amanda was killed in so they had to know it was there. LT was wandering the streets of Davey's neighborhood for 10+ minutes waiting for a ride, so he had plenty of time to get the TV.Unless the Macbook Pro and the books were already out of the house by the time the thugs got there and their marching orders were to take the bank cards (JW and DG) and shoot two shots (LT - if LT was even inside Amanda's). There is no mention in the APC of LT or JW walking to the Sebring with the blue bag containing the Macbook and the books. And we know LT didn't have it when he was casually walking the neighborhood, waiting to be picked up.
Anon said.."Everyone, inlcuding the thugs, knows that taking the camera accomplishes nothing. Everyone except you, apparently. Just admit you're clueless instead of projecting your cluelessness onto the thugs "thought process." They knew." January 22, 2018 at 7:39 AM
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I don't know why you are so hostile and angry that you feel the need to insult, but if it is making you feel better on this Monday, have at it. You're right, I am clueless. Everything I know and have been raised with is so very different than these people. I've not had trouble with the law, no arrest record, no leaving doors unclocked, leaving my family as sitting ducks. I have had to do research to try to even begin to understand the dynamics. I know everyone, except me is clueless, however research, studies, articles, videos, statistics back up these theories well. Just one from ADT in 2014 - Top items to steal:
Cash
Jewelry
Guns
Drugs
Small electronics
Also, from same article: Here is a bonus statistic: around 87% of burglaries are considered preventable. Your home security strategy should involve several layers of protection. For one thing, families should have clear rules about locking doors and windows before leaving, and about answering the door or talking about upcoming vacations on social networking websites.
It's also not a good idea to "advertise" your travel plans on social networking websites.
Having strong locks on doors and windows and using them consistently is another layer of protection for your home. Finally, a monitored home security system is a great way to tie together a comprehensive home security strategy.
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My apologies for being "clueless" I go off what the research provides toots. Hope your day improves and maybe you can forward some of this research to Davey so he knows not to leave his new, larger family as sitting ducks again.
Don't apologize, Kate. Poster obviously has a vendetta against you for your outstanding videos showing the depth of Davey's creepy soul as well as all of the circumstantial evidence that points to an inside job.
How much is a business ticket from Indy to Tel Aviv? Asking for a friend.
Gosh, people! Stop donating money to this lunatic!
I know this for sure, DB is NOT earning this kind of money.
And AB parents travel with him. Shame on them!!
Kate
I really appreciate your posts and your work. I am not the same Anonymous who was upset with you. Thank you for taking the time to post, apparently in defense of a young mom and wife and her unborn child. I dialogued with you at 8:12 PM and at 9:05 PM on January 21, 2018.
I just started posting here a few (maybe several, now) days ago. At times I felt that I did not fit in and that the information that I would spend time researching and posting was not necessary, but you treated me with respect. I, too, am having to research all of this in the hope of being a representation for a young woman and her baby who don't have a voice anymore. I would like to think that any effort done in sincerity and with diligence is not wasted when speaking for those who cannot speak for themselves anymore.
Thanks.
Thanks both anons. I remember when this case first piqued my interest, Davey had a lot of peoples radar going off, but it was when I saw this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf_wbG2_Rk4 and I heard Amanda's sweet voice say to her baby, "heeeeey" followed by sheer joy. It's a very short video, many of you have already seen it. Davey's desperate attempts to tickle Weston and make sounds, so Weston would look at him, were futile. Weston was all eyes on Amanda and already you could see the deep Mother/son bond. After watching that .37 second video, I wondered how anyone in her inner circle could not be storming the streets, upping the reward money, crying out to the public for help. Instead Davey ran off to South Carolina, couldn't even post a dang flyer, instead screaming from the mountains how God did this for good. I would love to stick a PI on this case, a very good PI.
I would like to think that any effort done in sincerity and with diligence is not wasted when speaking for those who cannot speak for themselves anymore.
Anon at 3:33pm, for whatever it's worth from me, I encourage you - please don't stop posting. Don't feel like you don't fit in. It's a team effort here and you too, now, are trying to sort out what happened and shed some light.
I love it when people post who are new and have different insight - I love it when people post who have been here forever and think of new things or put a different slant on things or even repeat things that have been said before (I do that, I own it, I know that the stuff that bothers me the most creeps back into my posts over and over again).
The continuing posts that have been happening virtually nonstop for the past two years and two months (on this board as well as multiple other message boards) are proving that all of us are still united in our quest for justice for Amanda and "Evie".
Most of us who post here are united in this cause - there are so many reasons that this crime just sticks in everyone's minds and there are so many reasons that we can't let it go and call it resolved just because IMPD wrapped it up with a big red bow clearing Davey after like 48 hours just because he was seen on camera at LA Fitness on Shore Drive.
There are a few who post here and ridicule and demean in an attempt to derail or end the discussion and make random posts to clutter the thread - but those individuals have not been successful in stopping the discussion of Davey and they will not be successful. It is always interesting to see which posts bring out such behavior - I always think someone hit a nerve and is getting close to the truth when that happens.
Those who have been analyzing and pointing out all of the evidence that points to an inside job (tm anon at 11:44am) - on this and other message boards - has resulted in a dossier being written and circulated to the media, to investigative reporters, to the IMPD and FBI and who knows where else - and this exposure is going to make a difference.
No matter how much some want to hope that it won't make a difference - it will.
Davey should enjoy his first class lie-flat seat on the aircraft to Tel Aviv (nice humblebrag on Instagram about sitting in London airport waiting for his flight, ho hum, here I go again, the world traveler, thanks guys for the donations for Weston's college fund that I'm using to go all of these places) - it might be one of the last trips he gets to take. I too cannot believe Amanda's parents travel with him.
It is easy to confuse one anonymous poster with another - choosing a name helps, even if it's a randomly chosen name that has nothing to do with your real identity.
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I would love to stick a PI on this case, a very good PI
I would totally donate to this !
Marcia clark and Nancy Grace have new shows on A&E. I wonder if they could feature this case
I wish they would. Someone needs to pick up this story - someone who is brave and who wants to see the truth come out. Like the Spotlight team for the Boston Globe searched for the truth and then TOLD IT. It was unthinkable to "expose the church" and tell what was happening - and there was kickback for the team who was writing the story and there were efforts to silence them - but they did it.
And imagine if that story hadn't been told so many years ago.
By "kickback" above, I mean repercussions and discouragement and resistance - not financial compensation or perks.
They did what they did because it was the right thing to do.
Here's what really bothers me: according to everything I have read, the DNA on the pink sweater was the clue that found JW, then LE looked at cell phone numbers and pings to find and arrest DG and LT. LE has said LT was the one who actually shot AB.
LE also says there is no evidence that ABwas sexually assaulted. AB was taken from her home by ambulance before any forensic evidence was found at the house, I don't think they looked for any on her person, except maybe a tape kit, because the crime scene wasn't secured like in a murder, she was alive at the time she was removed from the home. We don't know what other evidence they have, except the videos. The picture that was shown of LT waiting for his ride, and the public doesn't know if that is LT. Others that were involved say it was him. Maybe LE has a picture that they can see it is him.
The SUV speeding down the street, stopping and leaving, has disappeared from the narrative. We don't know who that was or how it was involved, except that media reported he picked up TV's (or they). The cell phone pings don't match up on the
evidence report we have seen. At first LE says all will be charged with murder, but one has pleaded out who doesn't seem from the evidence so far, that he, DW, didn't do anymore than JW. It was all LT. In my mind, if they all are using LT as a scapegoat, why would anyone be afraid of JW testifying? All he has to say is what everyone else did; it was LT. Also, the timeline doesn't jive, as far as gunshots, cell pings etc., and if no other DNA was found, does the DA even have a case? I understand they may have all kinds of evidence that we don't know about, but there are people, like Alonzo, Davey, and possible person or people in SUV, people who received stolen goods and informants that have been, in my mind, disregarded and left off the hook and easily believed whether they are telling the truth or not. All of this makes me question the investigation and motives of LE. Why can't we hear the 911 call, why wasn't Alonzo arrested, why was DB cleared in less tan 24 hrs, what does JW claim that keeps DG in jail with still a murder charge. Of course we are all waiting for the trail that will answer our questions, but I have a feeling they won't. None of it makes sense, and once the trial is over, we Mau find LT convicted and not much more information on what really happened. One last thing, why would DB even call the prosecutor to ask if him getting married would affect the trial? Would you even think that? Trail has nothing at all to do with what a supposed victim is doing 2 years later. He didn't have to call the DA. I can't help but wonder what the real reason was.
I don't think he called the prosecutor about dating. I think he called his literary agent or publisher. But he can't write *that* in a blog post. He has never been concerned about justice. Book sales, now, that is a concern.
Sirensong said: LE also says there is no evidence that ABwas sexually assaulted. January 22, 2018 at 9:35 PM
The sexual assault is interesting. Amanda is found with her underwear by her and her shirt pulled up. According to Indiana Law: Non-consensual sexual contact, whether rape or sexually touching an adult or child, is a crime in Indiana. Criminal penalties vary based on the violence, threat of force, weapons used, or other "aggravating" factors involved and the age of the victim and defendant. Aggravating circumstances increase penalties because of their serious or malicious nature. http://statelaws.findlaw.com/indiana-law/indiana-rape-and-sexual-assault-laws.html
So it's interesting that the sexual assault was confirmed, media went wild with it, then, like the SUV, it was dropped.
Was any of LT's dna found on Amanda? Otherwise, how can you drop the charge when she was found the way she was found? Just asking because I am not familiar with Indiana law but the only two reasons I can think of are - no dna found on Amanda or they didn't want to risk this charge possibly hurting the bigger charge.
Just to quick add, LT was leaning over Amanda, to watch her bleed. So his DNA should be found all over Amanda.
Random thoughts -
I still think the DNA that might have been found in a location that could indicate sex assault was Davey's - hence the reason they said Amanda was, and then retracted it - thinking it was consensual in a marriage relationship and therefore expected to "be there".
IF that person walking in the neighborhood in the hoodie was Taylor, he should've had blood all over him, right?
The Affidavit of Probable Cause says that fingernail scrapings were obtained from Amanda - that two separate forensic examinations were done on her - plus whatever evidence they found at the scene. Anyone walking into that house would know it was a crime scene, with all of the stuff scattered around - they would have been gathering evidence immediately.
And Davey wouldn't have been able to sort out and deal with everything that could be incriminating before IMPD arrived, even though they didn't get there as soon as they would have if Davey had told everything he saw during his 911 call.
And investigators returned for a second look - I wonder if they were surprised that the house had been professionally cleaned so quickly.
The confidential informant said Taylor shot Amanda - and Davey said Larry Taylor was the guy "who actually pulled the trigger on Amanda" - I don't know that (I don't think that) either of those are reliable witnesses.
The 911 call is going to be huge. There's a reason Davey had to change his story. There's a reason (here we go again, I know it) that only the EMTs showed up to an active crime scene - it's because of what Davey did not share with the dispatcher. If Davey didn't report a crime scene with everything scattered about - and didn't report all of Amanda's various injuries including to her face and teeth - then he HAS to say (1) he had no idea anyone had been in his house and (2) his first honest thought was a miscarriage (not exact words on this).
Yet he was sitting taking mental snapshots of things that looked out of place so he could tell investigators later - which is it, then?
Everyone knows that if Davey had walked in and described the scene exactly as it was, IMPD would have been crawling over that scene from the start and they wouldn't have had to be summoned by IFD Engine 12 EMTs. It's just reality. Either the 911 dispatcher is the most incompetent soul on the planet or else Davey withheld information in the call that would have rolled IMPD to the scene of a home invasion and shooting.
The Marion County Prosecutor's Office has said repeatedly that the 911 call is being withheld because it is part of an active investigation. I have tried and I still cannot see how it would be part of an active investigation again those in custody. It should be cut and dried if the "random burglary and the homeowner got assaulted and shot" story was true - Davey would have walked in from the gym, freaked out, called 911 and told them everything he saw and then IMPD and IFD paramedics would have arrived close to the same time.
I still believe that the 911 call is part of an active investigation against Davey. And I still believe that the defense attorneys and public defenders will use it to create reasonable doubt for their clients. They can / will point out that the husband didn't give any indication that someone had been in his house and that his wife had quite obviously been the victim of a brutal crime, that he continues to say he had no idea anyone had been in there.
It's a short step from there for them to ask why would the husband do this - why would he NOT give all of the information needed to 911 dispatcher - to get IMPD there and hope they could gather fresh and new evidence to catch whoever did this - before it was disturbed by the EMTs, before Amanda was removed (carted, as the APC said) from the house as IMPD was arriving.
I wonder if Davey called the prosecutor to see how it would look to the prosecutor if he got married - not because it would affect the trial of the accused (although that's what he said) but more so because I wonder if he thought it could look like motive - first wife is out of the picture - enter second wife. So was the first wife excused from the picture to make room for the second wife? It would not be the first time.
I also agree he has talked to the publisher and is frantic to get reassurance that they aren't going to drop his book, that it will still be released so it can sell at least ten copies (to Amber and Gavin, Phil and Robin, Mamaw, Ashley and Derek, Megs, James and Angela, his parents, Jono and Tessa, Zack Woolever and Perry Noble). How cool would it be if it was released and NOBODY bought it except for family.
That's not too far of a stretch if Davey is found to have any involvement in what happened to Amanda (I say what happened because A LOT of things happened to her in that timeframe - not all necessarily on the morning of the 10th as we are meant to believe) - and not just the gunshots. Nobody is going to want to hear him speak or read his blog or book or anything else he writes - if he is found out and the truth comes to light and it is even remotely close to what I (we here?) think it is.
Hi everyone, DB received "wise counsel" to keep his new relationship with KM a secret until after the trial. When DB learned that the trial would be delayed, he was frustrated and sought to undermine the "wise counsel" with even wiser counsel - the prosecutor. I believe he did call the prosecutor. Davey does like to have his cake and eat it too. Calling the prosecutor was a highly manipulative act. It had several purposes. One - to allow Davey to reneg over advice he had been given and agreed to take, and two, it implies that DB has such a good relationship with the prosecutor of his wife's alleged murderers, that the prosecutor offers him fatherly encouragement to"get on with your life". And three, it speaks to DB's need to control the flow of information between him an LE. He indicates that he is so concerned about the trial that he doesn't want to hinder it in any way. Too bad that, as Kate pointed out earlier, he failed to ask the obvious questions that a truly concerned widower would ask about the trial. Eg. What's taking so long? And made it all about him, him, him, which leads me to four, DB is tired of being pitied that Amanda was murdered because it takes the focus off him and inspires people to talk about the murder and question the events and people surrounding it. Behold mofos, he is doing a new thing! Stop talking about the old thing. He's tired of having to pretend to mourn, (he's really really bad at it) he's tired of trying to hide his excitement and enthusiasm for his brand new lifestyle and he needs to celebrate openly and be celebrated. Typical narcopath.
Kate @10:32 and others, her underpants were removed from her body and her shirt was pushed up as if someone had tried to remove it. She did not do that to herself, ergo someone did it to her. If someone did it to her, she was sexually assaulted. Even if the removal of underpants and pushed up shirt were "staged" to look like a sex assault (I'm not saying Davey "staged" it, but Im not saying he didn't, either) it is still a sexual assault. So why no charges for sexual assault? It's a good question.
I wondered, and still do, if Pastor Davey and the whole Christian crew of pastors and godly men and women in Amanda's family requested that the sordid details of any sexual assault be dealt with "sensitively" by LE and the media, and by sensitively, I mean dropped all together, so that her memory could remain unsullied by the horror and indignity of sexual assault. it may be, too, that there is evidence of sexual interaction between Amanda and Davey, that would necessarily be revealed at trial, if sexual assault charges against LT were pressed, which Davey and the family might argue is demeaning, humiliating and embarrassing for Davey, the family and, posthumously, the victim, Amanda. I don't know.
Trudy, your post is so right on, I believe that is exactly why he called. Good post, I wish I could articulate my thoughts as well as you!
Kate and FFB that's why I think no DNA evidence was found on Amanda. Unfortunately it worked perfect for DB to call in "a miscarriage" although he told the family he thought she fell (and hurt her head?). It worked in his favor to have paramedics get her out of there before the investigation was in full swing. I forgot about the nails,though. Maybe it was DB'S DNA under her finger nails. He did have a little nick on his face, remember? As to changing his story, maybe he had to so the accused could get out of the charges. When he said she fell or hit her head, that wasn't enough reasonable doubt, so he had to change and say he didn't know anyone had been in the house - that would give the accused a defense and possible reasonable doubt. But the fact that LE believed it after seeing the crime scene and didn't get suspicious about his whole story is mind boggling. I would think if they were checking him out, they would have done more by now, at least tons of extra interrogation. I hope that is maybe why the trials are taking this long. I don't think they would wait till the trail to finally pounce on DB and arrest him. I don't know, like I said, I'm really doubting LE and the powers that be. Thanks for all your feedback!
Trudy, I could see them asking for that. Remember DB saying something like, darn I can't remember again! I thought it was her humiliation, but that was wrong and someone found the quote for me and I didn't save it. He made some ignorant thing about what had happened to her. Oh, was it disgrace? I can just see him saying it to the families and them agreeing to ask LE not to mention it. But the fact she was found that way was sexual assault and battery, I cant believe that wasn't charged.
CorrectionFlightful, Lots of people are going to want to hear him speak, read his book and his blog if he is found out and the truth comes to light. Just not all the lovely Christian people he was expecting. Haha. I know a big chunk of websleuthers that would be interested.There might be a teensy problem, though, for DB, in terms of making profit on the proceeds of crime. :)
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If the delay in the release of the book is to honour the process of the trial, why didn't he delay his wedding to honour the process of the trial? What's the difference? Did he ring the prosecutor and ask him how the release of the book would affect the trial? No. Of course not. Funny about that.
The delay in the release of the book is to honour the process of his publishers.
IF Davey's DNA is under Amanda's fingernails, he's got a real problem.
Peter's panel of seasoned detectives said "noone is this lucky". There's no way IMPD didn't smell a rat (a gym rat?) when they walked in after having been summoned by IFD Engine 12 and wondered why they hadn't been summoned first, or at the same time.
I believe I's are getting dotted and t's are being crossed - I've been accused on this board of hoping that investigators will pounce during the trial and it'll be like Matlock and all dramatic and stuff. I don't think that will happen - out in the open like that. But I think things will come out during the trials - the 911 call for one thing- and Davey's testimony for another thing -things that will raise questions and will need to be explained and that in the process, Davey's story will unravel and be exposed for all to see.
Why haven't they made a move yet? Because everything has to be buttoned up and perfect first. And Davey is not a risk to society - this was personal between him and Amanda.
It's not like he's a hardened criminal, a thug, a gang member, a serial killer - so there's no harm for them in letting him roam free and travel the world and record his albums and write his blog posts and books. And no harm in letting him have a false sense of security, like "yeah, I got away with it - I really pulled it off - I was at the gym so I couldn't remotely have had anything to do with this". Why else would they have cleared him 100%, no, 150% as fast as they did - there's no way in the world they could've cleared him of any involvement whatsoever in the timeframe they did.
Another school of thought is that he is thought to be involved - but if he has friends in high places (IMPD, Mike Pence) and they want to preserve the image of the lead pastor of Resonate Church being a choirboy, then it's no wonder that he was cleared - and he probably would've stayed that way if people hadn't kept on top of this case, kept asking questions, kept posting on this and other message boards and making videos and blog posts about it.
As it is, there's some 'splainin to do. This is going to break open during the trials.
Want to intern at Resonate? Think Again!
https://www.jackhstanton.com/blog-1/why-you-should-intern-at-resonate-church
In short, Jack says he worked on his communication ability as a Student Ministry intern, got paid nothing while his "leaders" had their noses all up in his personal business - to the point he had to give up his paying job - and was pushed outside of his comfort zone and stretched.
Poor Amanda referenced a "stretching" life with Davey twice in 2015.
Jack's a trooper, but his hyperbole gives him away.
Let me tell you, it was one of the best summers of my life. ... Your leaders want the best for YOU. Alongside your job responsibilities, your supervisor will always have your best interest in mind. They care for your personal faith development, personal life, work life, and everything in between. Your leader wants you to perform at your best. So don't get comfortable! They will push you outside of your comfort zone and do things that you've never imagined you could do. I’ve heard it said, "life begins at the end of your comfort zone". You will be pushed out of your comfort zone, but the amount you will grow through it will be well worth it. In leadership, more is caught than taught, you will pick up things along the way that you will carry with you for months and years to come. Your faith will grow. Taking a job with Resonate will stretch you, but in the absolute best way possible. You will have FUN. The amount of fun you will have serving as an intern at Resonate Church is unparalleled.
sirensong, I think the word was disgrace and shame - something like "free from the disgrace" (or shame) of what happened to her.
Hi Siren, yes, I remember him saying something about Amanda being "disgraced" or something equally inappropriate. The nick on his face is also there in the Love Songs video at the train station. It looks likes cold sore.
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Peter's recent analysis of the woman who regretted oral copulation with her youth pastor, made me wonder about crazy Davey. Hands up everyone who can see Davey having inappropriate sexual relations with a congregation member and immediately falling to knees, crying and wailing about his sin, praying loudly for forgiveness, and swearing the poor person to secrecy.
trouper
The publisher also stands to make a ton of money if Davey is involved with any aspect. And maybe Davey wrote some things that le would want to take a look at, though that notion is growing dimmer and dimmer.
Ever hear of Kelley Clayton? Very similar stories, right around the same time (was probably even talked about here before, sorry if I missed it). Kids were at home with her, husband at a poker party, has a buddy go beat the living *bleep* out of her for ten grand, she dies. Husband comes home, calls 911, le shows up and he gets hauled in immediately. Suspect ended up turning on the husband and the husband is now serving life. One of the big differences, her sister fought for her every step of the way. Interesting case where justice was served and it details the police and their excellent, hard work.
https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/ny-officers-body-camera-reveals-horrific-crime-scene/story%3fid=46358994
So.very.similar.
Yeah, I raise my hand, sounds just like what CD was doing to "focus" on conversation, lol. I sure hope you are right FFB. I am afraid someone is protecting him, but I'm gonna help list every little thing he has said and done since the day Amanda and her precious baby were murdered and make sure the public knows all that we do. Still hoping dossier writer gets rewarded by media attention (and blessings, real, not fake) for all that he put together to get attention on the case.
I should have added I will help do that if the trial doesn't bring what we are hoping for. Then if enough people want to put it together, I will help with that. Too much to do it alone.
I was trying to go back and find the blog about seeing Jalen in the courtroom. Davey now has a DONATE page
https://daveyblackburn.com/donate/
"When you give to Davey Blackburn Ministries you're helping us create more content like podcasts, eBooks and blog posts. You help us create excellent spaces where people can hear stories and find the courage to create purpose out of their pain. Thank you for enabling us to reach more people and teach them how to find victory in the midst of trial."
He continues to post airplane pics on a an almost daily basis. He posts vacates, golf trips and pretty pics of his house and pool, but continues to ask for more saying it goes toward ministry. Do the people who have obviously donated TONS of money not see that he is not creating purpose of pain for people, he is creating luxury and lifestyle for himself.
I can't find the post about Jalen staring him down in the courtroom. Davey, he wasn't staring you down to tell you he was sorry! He was staring you down because he knows you set him up. DUH! I hope someone copied that blog if Davey did try to take it down. Doubtful he did take it down, he doesn't seem to get a clue that he is digging himself into more people thinking he is guilty. To me, that was one of his most telling blogs. It was almost like he was trying to explain to Amanda friends and family members why JW was glaring at him.
Bingo,,
https://daveyblackburn.com/blog/trial-and-book
Amanda's Trial and My Book Release
Thanks Anon!
All the money being spent on traveling and material items. Why not buy a church building.
Anonymous flightfulbird said...
https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/ny-officers-body-camera-reveals-horrific-crime-scene/story%3fid=46358994
So.very.similar.
January 23, 2018 at 2:25 AM
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Now those cops and detectives deserve rewards up the arse. What great investigative work, but also, great instinct! That cop knew, walking in, the hub was going to be looked at hard and immediately.
Interesting that the sis said there were no red flags prior to the death, they thought the marriage was solid.
From link:
"One major flag: There were no signs of forced entry or robbery. Despite witnesses seeing Tom Clayton at his friend’s poker game that night, and his GPS placing him there, police took him into custody."
"Other red flags for investigators were that a year earlier Tom Clayton had doubled his wife’s life insurance policy. Authorities also alleged that Tom Clayton was romantically involved with other women and wanted out of the marriage, but he didn’t think divorce was an option."
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These guys (le), had way less to go on than what they had with Davey. The end result is staggering with such similar cases.
Since this site and Datalounge were the sources of information for the dossier, and I need to update it, was wondering if anyone had some info or ideas regarding the new info about "Cheese." I'm trying to see how Anthony Shannon ("Cheese") fits in to all of this, as he appears to be in a different gang than the others. Agreed that the burglaries were just smoke and mirrors but Cheese still had possession of most of the stolen goods as well as being the CI for LT's other murder case and rape case. LT said he went with DG and JW the morning of Amanda's murder to go see someone named "Cheese" at 56th & Guion Rd (which is a mile from Anthony's apartment).
Donae (Kilt member Alonzo Bull's girlfriend), said LT, DG and JW left her apartment at 3:30am. They burglarized Jacola Searsbrook's apartment, which was right next door, at 4:36 A.M., an hour after they left Donae's. They didn't have a car, as they stole Jacola's, so where were they for the hour? They didn't arrive at Sunnyfield Court until 6:25 A.M. (DG and JW) and 6:38 A.M. (LT), almost two hours after burglarizing Jacola's. Where were they and who were they with in the missing time slots?
Since LT didn't get to Amanda's until after JW and DG had left according to cell tower pings, he had to have been given a ride from someone. Four likely possibilities - Alonzo, Jeremy, Hayley(LT's girlfriend), or Cheese. Donae's phone pinged at her apartment the whole morning so she most likely was home. No info has been given on where Alonzo was that morning. Kilt member Jeremy (who went to Davey's gym) lived close to 56th & Guion. He lived at the apartment complex that the rape victim's car was found out (Cross Creek) and he is pictured in FB in dark-colored SUVs. Hayley also lives close to 56th & Guion and according to a google map of her home, has 2 dark-colored SUVs. No idea what Cheese drives.
Ideas and/or info?
What will Davey et al. do for containment when the entire quilt is unraveled?
DW, didn't they hit the house two doors down at 5:30? They sat and waited for Davey to leave and then headed over for what they police stated hunger for more money. Yeah, right. So LT wasn't at the first robbery at Sunnyfield? I am so confused.
Anon at 5:09PM, none of the three were on Davey's street at 5:30AM, according to cell phone tower pings in the APC.
So who disabled the security camera at Allison Becker's at 5:36am?
Does Allison Becker's security cam capture someone wearing the distinctive Pele Pele jacket, belonging to Alonzo Bull and allegedly worn by Larry Taylor?
Mike Pence is in Israel, right now. Weird timing. I wonder if he and CD will catch up.
There is only one person seen on surveillance video inside Alison Becker's. Strangely, IMPD released surveillance pics of the suspects inside Jacola Searsbrook's and also Davey's neighbor's surveillance pics of a suspect walking on the sidewalk but did not release surveillance pics from inside Becker's.
Did Larry Jo Taylor sustain any injuries as a result of attacking Amanda?
I remember reading that a friend of his saw a scratch on his face, but I can't find the link anymore. I know that he shot Amanda so that she wouldn't scratch him as she charged at him, but if he did get scratched then the scrapings under Amanda's fingernails would at least give that evidence.
Nonetheless, there had to have been some contact, you would think, when she charged at him; therefore, if LE and forensics did their jobs, there is DNA evidence regardless from LT, you would think. I have a hard time thinking that LE would arrest him simply on the cell phone pings and witness testimony. Wouldn't you want to be reasonably sure before making an arrest so that the perp (s) wouldn't subsequently walk--wouldn't that include some DNA evidence? Just a few thoughts.
I wonder if LE has Larry Taylor's (or anyone's) DNA on the Swishers Sweets pack, and on the bottles/cans of wine/beer from Allison Becker's.
We haven't heard anything about fingerprints, either.
http://fox59.com/2017/11/15/getting-away-with-murder-in-indianapolis/
"Getting away with murder in Indianapolis
INDIANAPOLIS, Ind. - A FOX59 review of murder cases and convictions in Indianapolis this year shows there is an approximate 70% chance a killer will never serve prison time for his or her crime."
Not to discourage, but I found these stats somewhat alarming. I hope that I am misinterpreting, but I think it pretty well says what it says...
Just to keep things in perspective. While I hope that justice is done in this case, it sometimes is a precautionary method to not get our hopes too high by getting a reality check and reading the statistics.
Don't shoot the messenger...just saying. This article is worth the read.
Did Crazy Davey plan his trip to Israel to coincide with Mike Pence's trip to Israel? Surely not. There has been speculation that Crazy D has friends in high places. What was MP doing at Amanda's funeral?
Davey's words to describe Monday November 9th - the same day that he stated that he walked in and found Amanda on her knees beside the bed, leading the way in surrender
"I said are you o-, are you OK babe? She was like “Yeah, I was just praying.” She said “I was just. Just praying that God would use us in a really big way.”
Amanda just happened to be praying that certain morning that God would use them in a really big way -
- and then she told that to Davey
- and then "everything happened" (tm Amber) to her the day after
- and then her husband started thundering on that Nothing is Wasted and exponentially more people have come to God by her death than ever would have if she lived . . . he actually said Amanda is being used.
What are the chances? Just like her writing in her "last journal entry" about getting to see all of this with her own eyes.
I wonder how long it took for Davey to think up all of the coincidences and dots the Lord had to connect and then remember to drop them into blog posts and appearances and conversations - there are so many of them.
Davey again in the same appearance talking about November 9th -
And I remember like, getting up, and having all this, to-dos in my- swirling around my brain. I'm like, I got- I gotta go do this, I gotta, drop this thing off, I gotta run this errand, I gotta, take care of this, I gotta go meet with this person, right. So I get up, get my shower, you know, get ready to go. . . .
And um, I don’t really remember much about our conversation, honestly. I don’t remember much about what was going on. All I remember is I had all these things in my head of all this stuff that I needed to do, all these, uh, this agenda that I needed to take care of. . . .
And, n-and I spent the rest of that day, doing things. Pushing the ball forward. Building a church. Meeting with people. Pouring myself out.
From Davey's blog post linked above by anon at 9:31am -
Leading up to the date I was asked on more than one occasion how I was feeling about stepping in the courtroom to see one of the perpetrators for the first time in person.
If God gives dying grace to dying men, He most certainly gives anxiety grace to anxious men, and depression grace to depressed men, and worrying grace to worried men, and forgiving grace to victimized men, and courtroom grace to men who see their perpetrators face-to-face for the first time.
Twice in that post (and maybe elsewhere) Davey chooses to say he is seeing the (his) perpetrators for the first time - for the first time in person, seeing them face to face for the first time. Like nothing to see here guys, I've never seen this guy before in my life? Or did he see Jalen Watson on Monday the 9th when he was "meeting with this person" - or did he know him from substitute teaching at that school where they have "church" - or from snow camp - or. . . .
Bingo wrote
Davey, he wasn't staring you down to tell you he was sorry! He was staring you down because he knows you set him up.
I agree 100%, no, 150%. Jalen knows they were set up. Davey is the one who should be staring Jalen down for what he allegedly did to his wife. But choosing to forgive is more of a story.
So who disabled the security camera at Allison Becker's at 5:36am?
Davey?
He was doing something between 4:30am and 6:10am besides just sitting on the couch spending time in the word and praying for protection for Amanda and Evie before grabbing his gym clothes/gym bag and heading out the door.
Or was Davey doing something to Amanda or staging something in the house or locking Mel in the bedroom (or all of the above) between 4:30am and 6:10am that morning to make him so late leaving for the gym?
Either way, his normal routine was altered (an altering day) - although he describes it as normal.
Bring on the trials, let the beautiful (?) quilt unravel. It can't happen soon enough for me.
Thanks Anon at 7.52. Just the way it works? OK. Thanks Deputy Chief of Investigations Chris Bailey. Are you talking about Davey Blackburn by any chance?
“Its unfortunate that criminals, no matter who they are, get away with crime when we know they did it but that’s just the way it works,” said IMPD Deputy Chief of Investigations Chris Bailey.
Hang on. That's not the Chris from Chris and Victoria - the activist couple at Weston's pre school - is it?
Anonymous wrote:
" I have a hard time thinking that LE would arrest him simply on the cell phone pings and witness testimony."
Yes, that is all the evidence they arrested him on. That is precisely what the Affidavit of Probable Cause is, the evidence sufficient to bring charges and obtain an arrest warrant.
That does not mean that is all the evidence they have, not that more will not be brought out at trial.
In fact, a judge signed for an arrest warrant on the basis of this evidence alone.
I have little faith in IMPD. There is a documentary series on IMPD that was on Netflix years ago, long before this case. I don't recall the name. One case it covered, they had a suspect admitting murder on a recording and were unable to secure a conviction. They botched the Delano Wilson case so bad the father was found not guilty. Indianapolis is not a shining star of competent police work, nor bright juries.
The Tv Series is "The Shift."
http://www.tvguide.com/tvshows/the-shift/296280/
mom2many@January 23, 2018 at 9:29 PM
"Yes, that is all the evidence they arrested him on. That is precisely what the Affidavit of Probable Cause is, the evidence sufficient to bring charges and obtain an arrest warrant."
Are you sure? From what I read in the APC, it seems that they had a lot more evidence than the cell phone pings and witness testimony. Am I missing something?
“She was nude with her panties next to her and her shirt pulled up as if someone tried to pull it off; however, it was not clear Blackburn had been sexually assaulted. Blackburn noticed her credit cards and wallet on the floor. He noticed her purse on the kitchen counter and a Swisher Sweet cigar package on the counter. David Blackburn stated that the Swisher Sweet package should not be in their residence. A decorative ladder and a lamp were knocked over in the living room next to Amanda Blackburn.”
“Detective Dan Kepler obtained a search warrant for_____Sunnyfield Court. Crime Scene Specialist Colleen Clark documented the scene with the scene with video, photographs and a sketch. Clark recovered multiple blood and DNA swabs. She recovered change from the landing floor, gray panties, a roll of duct tape and earphones from the living room floor. She recovered a Swisher Sweets package from the kitchen counter. Amanda Blackburn’s purse and wallet were recovered from the counter.”
https://drive.google.com/viewerng/viewer?url=https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2572175/amanda-blackburn-case-larry-taylor-jalen-watson.pdf
Anonymous said...
"All the money being spent on traveling and material items. Why not buy a church building."
January 23, 2018 at 10:54 AM
Here is why I doubt that Davey could ever be a Jim Jones. He does not have the maturity, patience or commitment to his "church" that Jones or others had/have. He would rather buy a fancy house/vacation etc, than a church building. His "resources" go to his own comfort, not to the greater good or investment in his brethren.
Jones was really desegregating spaces, meeting community needs and 'progressing' the downtrodden. He had stats and anecdotal evidence to back up his claims. Later he could deliver votes.
Davey only has a dead wife and his crass conception of Life and Christianity to offer. It rings hollow, oh so hollow thru his voice.
Davey is too myopic and focused only on his own comforts, not his dogma. That gets old. He lacks the warm personal connections that engender a deep and abiding loyalty. And he lacks the patience and commitment to grow and accrue real deep loyalty.
'And forgiving grace to victimized men" per Davey in FFB post @ 8:00. That's odd to say. Why would a victimized man need forgiveness?
I think he was talking about extending forgiveness.
DW, I'm sorry no one has answered you question. I don't have any answers, wish I did. It does make me wonder about how INDY LE doesn't have this info, or if they followed up on any of it. They have more pieces to the puzzle, and the ability to get the information, and it is upsetting they don't have to release any info if they do have it. It seems clear to me, that LE did a quick arrests and patted thselves on the back.
I am very blown away that Pence is also in Isreal. A big coincidence. 70% of cases
end with no prison time for perpetrators. That's a terrible record. This case has all the red flags. Why is this case shoved under the rug.
I know Anon, but that's not quite what he said. I don't know, just struck me wrong. I'm suspicious of anything and everything about DB and the whole case.
Pence is a creepy Stepford Christian. Is Davey's church under the 'umbrella' of Pence's church?
FFB,
I also think it was Davey that disabled Allison Becker's surveillance video. And I think he gave the stolen goods to the people in the dark colored SUV and then left for the gym right after.
I can't believe they didn't at least take Davey in to the police headquarters and question him. A quick polygraph? Did they even test him for gun residue? Did they look into him at all? I would think that is just protocol. Don't you always question the husband first just to rule him out? I am so baffled they did not of this. Something just really stinks.
DW, I sure hope some investigative reporter looks at your research and sheds light on all the cover up. Thank you for doing the write up! The police and family are not going to fight for justice for Amanda. I sure hope somebody in the media steps up and gets the answers on this horrible case.
It's been pointed out that the church Pence is heavily involved with gave Davey a large cash offering right after the murder.
And Davey was smart when LE came to question him at the hospital. Threw out the pastor card and had Weston on his lap the whole time. Did they even take Davey's clothes, which is standard police protocol. Everyone in LE knows when a spouse is murdered, especially a pregnant one, you ALWAYS look at the husband first.
I mean, really? He goes to the gym just for enough time for thugs to come in and kill his wife, and they don't bring him in just for questioning? It just doesn't make sense. I thought you always rule out those closest to the victims. I have friends that are police officers and they say you always question husband or those living with the victim first. At least to rule them out and move on. It just doesn't add up. How could DB really have connections? He had no money, barely enough people coming to his church to fill a few rows of an auditorium? It is just baffling but it does seem someone protected Davey but who?
This is the definition of Affidavit of Probable Cause:
"An affidavit of probable cause is a sworn statement, typically made by a police officer, that outlines the factual justification for why a judge should consent to an arrest or search warrant or why an arrest made during a crime-in-progress was based on solid evidence that the person in custody is the person who is likely to have committed the crime."
https://definitions.uslegal.com/a/affidavit-of-probable-cause/
So, by definition, the circumstantial evidence listed in the Affidavit is exactly what the produced to secure the arrest warrant.
If there is further evidence against LT, we must wait for the trial to discover.
The mother Wesleyan Church, based in Fishers, had the most powerful local connections. They want to protect their image, big-time, as Davey is a Wesleyan 'Prince'. Imagine the Ramsey connections in Boulder, but bigger
The Newspring dog and pony show also has a vested interest to protect.
@January 24, 2018 at 11:11 AM
You're missing the point. You initially stated that they obtained the arrest on the cell phone pings and witness testimony alone. There is a lot more evidence in the APC than just cell phone pings and witness testimony. Please read Anonymous@January 23, 2018 at 10:25 PM.
^^Exactly. The Newspring dog and pony show does have a lot vested, hence the Perry Noble come back. It seems you can mess up as big and as bad as you want to, so long as you ask for forgiveness, because the Lord forgives all sins. I think this is how they live their lives and become such massive manipulators. Perry still dresses like a teenager and most of the time, acts like one.
Davey - two trips to Israel under the belt, not a care in the world (except for $$$ and fame). Way too much time has passed, I think he passed GO and collected the $200 with no hope of picking up the GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL card. In my own opinion, it's looking like he is going to get away with it.
Anon @ 12:18 PM, we are not saying that there may not be more evidence against the suspects, just that in the APC, it is definitely not listed. The APC does say that LE collected blood and DNA samples from various items yet the only DNA sample match listed in the APC is Jalen Watson's DNA on the pink sweater. No other DNA matches, blood matches or fingerprint matches are listed in the APC. LE obviously had JW's DNA match before the APC was written, yet the only match is on a pink sweater. According to the APC, JW was inside Amanda's but no DNA match from inside Amanda's was listed. Also, according to the APC, JW was inside Becker's, and LE has wine and beer bottles from Becker's with DNA that was swabbed, but they obviously didn't match those to JW or that would have been listed in the APC.
And the only public evidence that links LT to Amanda's murder is cell phone pings that put him near her house for 30 minutes and a grainy surveillance pic of someone that looks like him walking on Amanda's street.
Anon@12:35 PM. Thank you for your explanation, but does that mean that there wasn't any further verifiable evidence at the time of the drafting of the APC*? I am wondering if everything has to be listed at the time or if just a base criterion must be met to file it with the courts.
When I look at everything that they collected and review in my mind the activity that went on that day, it seems like there has to be other verifiable proof. Yes, I understand that only the DNA on the pink sweater was specified. Was other DNA in the works at the time of the writing of the APC*? The date on the APC is November 23, 2015, thirteen days after the crime (s).
I am still not sure if DNA is required to make an arrest but maybe possibly just to secure a conviction *(?). Is purely circumstantial evidence enough to make an arrest in Indiana*?
All of my searches so far have not turned up no answers to those questions. I am not convinced that they do not, did not, have DNA for LT at the time of his arrest. But, these are just my thoughts.
*(?) Please include links, if anyone has the answers. Thanks.
Davey wants us to think he’s going to get away with it - because if we think that, if it appears to be a lost cause - then people will stop posting about it and making videos and updating dossiers and just give up. I’m not giving up - there is far more to this case beneath the surface. It has only been two years - that’s NOTHING in the grand (carefully plotted, beautifully orchestrated) scheme of things.
Especially before they release the 911 call with Davey’s words on it, it’s too early for him to feel safe - or for us to think he’s free and clear.
Anon @ 1:38PM, asked "but does that mean that there wasn't any further verifiable evidence at the time of the drafting of the APC".
Yes, that most likely means that at the time of the drafting of the APC, there was not any further verifiable evidence to implicate the suspects. If so, it would most definitely have been included, especially for a capital murder case.
LE's job is to collect evidence, interview witnesses, and record as well as possible the facts involved in the commission of a crime. They give their findings to the prosecutor who determines whether there is enough evidence to support a criminal charge. LE would definitely give the prosecutor all of the incriminating evidence they had at the time.
Okay. I have answered one of my own questions, at least in part. The following is a link and brief conclusion as to what probable cause is. (It's a start anyway!)
http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-rights/probable-cause.html
Conclusion
Probable cause refers to the amount and quality of information required to arrest someone, to search or seize private property in many cases, or to charge someone with a crime. Probable cause to arrest, search, or seize property exists when facts and circumstances known to the police officer would lead a reasonable person to believe:
-that the person to be arrested has committed a crime;
-that the place to be searched was the scene of a crime;
-that the place to be searched contains evidence of a crime; and/or
-that property to be seized is contraband, stolen, or constitutes evidence of a crime.
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(Just in case anybody else has been trying to figure this out too.)
I am certain there is no LT DNA involved in Amanda's murder. I posted upthread somewhere a link to one of several articles that came out when the yfinished running his DNA. They all linked him to the earlier rape, and there was no mention of corroborating his involvement in Amanda's murder.
No DNA is necessary for an arrest or a conviction. Circumstantial evidence can be enough. All that is really necessary is for prosecution to make a successful case against the defendant that a jury will convict.
Investigators will only include as much evidence in the APC with which they can secure a warrant. They can keep quiet on other evidence, and save it for trial.
The evidence against LT in this APC, looks very weak, and I was surprised then, and still am, they got the warrant on it. If they had stronger evidence, surely it would have been included instead of getting on this weak CI who didn't even witness the crime and inaccurately described Amanda's wounds in kind and number!
Correction:
Getting on should be betting on.
"They can keep quiet on other evidence, and save it for trial."
Prosecutors would get in a lot of legal trouble if they withhold evidence they have from the defense and spring it on them at trial. It would be an immediate mistrial. They have to turn over everything they have to the defense as soon as they get it.
Wow, mom2many@January 24, 2018 at 2:27 PM
“I am certain there is no LT DNA involved in Amanda's murder.”
Thank you for the information, but, wow. Your statement of no DNA from LT is mind boggling when you consider the amount of involvement he had with AB on that day. I think of all the evidence, and I cannot even imagine that there would be no DNA from LT:
• the shirt pulled up (as if someone tried to pull it off)
• the panties next to her
• the credit cards and wallet on the floor
• the change on the floor in the landing
• the decorative ladder knocked over next to Amanda
• the lamp knocked over
• the purse on the kitchen counter
• the Swisher Sweet cigar package on counter
Multiple blood and DNA swabs were collected at the scene. I scratch my head at the thought that there would be no DNA from LT. It doesn’t make sense. AB charged at him. There had to have been contact to pull the shirt up and the panties off. He had to have touched her at some point.
I am working on a document that outlines the various components of burden of proof. I hope to have it posted with link soon. There is no requirement for DNA for arrest or conviction, as you so clearly state.
Thank you for the statement about the APC and only including as much evidence as needed to secure a warrant and keeping quiet on other evidence, saving it for trial. I suspected as much, but at the time of my earlier post, had not found a link. I have since found one and posted it at 1:59 PM.
On the weak evidence concerning LT, do you not think that they should have much still in store, especially, if as you state, it was not required of LE to fully disclose for the APC?
Thanks again for your post.
I did not mean keep it from defense. I meant publicizing it. Some states have sunshine laws, most do not. So there is no reason for prosecutors to publicize the entirety of evidence against a defendant. At trial, everything comes out in the case (well, unless it was not allowed from some reason). States have different requirements for when evidence must be disclosed to defense council before trial. Another case I was researching in Virginia had a very short window of disclosure before trial, which makes it difficult to familiarize oneself with the information and provide a detailed defense, particularly for a public defender.
That said, as far as the public goes, a prosecutor may disclose information to the public through the media to guide public opinion, but it shouldn't be expected.
What is the general atmosphere about this case in Indianapolis? Why isn't more being publicized? Is public opinion already convinced "these guys" are guilty? Does law enforcement want to keep a certain amount of rumor and innuendo alive, to keep pressure on DB? Has the public mostly forgotten and not care about justice in this case? Is it being buried? I wish I had a better sense of what Indianapolis locals thought. It would color my opinion of LE strategy, and whether they are or are not investigating murder for hire or other more direct scenarios against DB.
I think the biggest hurdle with tying DB to hiring "Larry" is that DB had available, unmonitored (in the sense it may not have been deposited to any account) access to loose cash through offerings, and his computer conveniently went missing.
(Side note, it is still disturbing Davey calls the perp Larry throughout the blog post about the hearing.)
Mom2many said...."(Side note, it is still disturbing Davey calls the perp Larry throughout the blog post about the hearing.) January 24, 2018 at 3:41 PM
He does this with Jalen Watson as well. He wants these three to be his new best friends so he can witness to the world why his wife and unborn child were savagely murdered in order to save the world and that's exactly how Amanda would have wanted it.
A bit off topic, does anyone know whatever happened to Mel? I know the neighbors originally took her in, but did she ever go back to be with Weston and CD?
Look for articles about Larry Taylor's DNA dated around 12/18/2015. Everything I have seen resembles this fox article.
http://fox59.com/2015/12/18/suspects-in-amanda-blackburns-murder-charged-in-separate-rape-burglary/
His DNA proved to link him to the Nov 3 rape. Amanda's death is mentioned as an aside at the end. No direct link via Taylor's DNA is mentioned. If you can find any article that does, I'd love to see it.
Since Amanda's case is mentioned, but no link via DNA presented, I am convinced none of his DNA was recovered from Amanda's crime scene that could be conclusively matched to him. IMPD had a need to persuade at the time that they had solved Amanda's case accurately. They did not present that to the public, but reached for the "this is a brutal crime spree perp" card instead.
Kate,
I think you're right, that was Jalen he kept using his first name. I don't know if he has with Larry. Whichever, it is disturbing.
flightfulbird said...
Davey wants us to think he’s going to get away with it - because if we think that, if it appears to be a lost cause - then people will stop posting about it and making videos and updating dossiers and just give up. I’m not giving up - there is far more to this case beneath the surface. It has only been two years - that’s NOTHING in the grand (carefully plotted, beautifully orchestrated) scheme of things.
Especially before they release the 911 call with Davey’s words on it, it’s too early for him to feel safe - or for us to think he’s free and clear. January 24, 2018 at 1:42 PM
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You are so right FFB, thanks for the reminder. The 911 call will be worth the wait. Frustration sets in, the time gets long and one sees Davey flying off to Israel when he deserves something very different. It's good that there are people like you to keep us focused and hopeful, I needed the reminder, thanks!
Anon @ 3:30 PM, you are assuming that 1) Taylor went inside Amanda's and 2) he did everything that the CI (which we know is Diano Gordon) said he did. The APC says Amanda "charged" at him and he shot her so he wouldn't be scratched yet she was shot in the back and the back of the head. if someone is charging you, you would shoot them in the face or the chest. Our points have been that the APC doesn't match up to the evidence.
Mom2many said.....What is the general atmosphere about this case in Indianapolis? Why isn't more being publicized? Is public opinion already convinced "these guys" are guilty? Does law enforcement want to keep a certain amount of rumor and innuendo alive, to keep pressure on DB? Has the public mostly forgotten and not care about justice in this case? Is it being buried? I wish I had a better sense of what Indianapolis locals thought. It would color my opinion of LE strategy, and whether they are or are not investigating murder for hire or other more direct scenarios against DB.(snipped) January 24, 2018 at 3:41 PM
With the news publicizing his recent nuptials, I headed over to topix and craigslists (rants and raves and news), nothing, nothing that I could find. I surfed the local news channels and there were a few comments, but nothing outstanding. National news stories were different, comments were overwhelmingly asking why CD wasn't looked at. I think le does want certain focus and coverage of Davey, like his recent engagement/wedding. It seems to be somewhat orchestrated. Headlines went from Amanda's murder, to Davey being cleared, to perps arrested, Davey does interviews, next big blitz is Davey becoming an Author and penning his big book, to finally his engagement and his wedding, both received about the same amount of press/attention.
What we don't see/hear:
I think neighbors were either issued a gag order or told not to discuss it. Early on, the neighbors are being interviewed, they are selected and careful of what they say. One neighbor,(who wished to remain anonymous), had several cams up - referred to the "people" caught on his surveillance, but went no further and we didn't hear from him again. The other neighbors that talked with reporters, usually Ryan McConnell, were careful to speak only to what their activities consisted of - handing out flyers, involving pizza joint to help, having meetings, etc. Not to what they actually saw and no reporter comes out and asks them, as they typically do with stories like these.
Jalen Watson's sister claimed there was no way he was involved, he was at her place all night. That should be some help to the defense, can't be in two places at once.
Anonymous@January 24, 2018 at 4:31 PM
"The APC says Amanda "charged" at him and he shot her so he wouldn't be scratched yet she was shot in the back and the back of the head. if someone is charging you, you would shoot them in the face or the chest. Our points have been that the APC doesn't match up to the evidence."
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Page 2 of the APC:
“He learned Amanda Blackburn was actually shot in the head and was not expected to survive her injuries. She was also shot in the left lower arm and had a possible gunshot wound to her upper left back.”
She was shot in the left lower arm as well. I picture her charging at LT with her arms raised and LT shooting at her and getting her in the arm as her hands are raised at him to push him away. Of course all of this is pure speculation, and we will have to wait for all of the evidence. Then maybe she was shot at in the upper back after she fell (if she fell after charging at him and getting shot in the left lower arm). The head shot could have been the last one when he leans over her to watch her bleed.
^^continued from January 24, 2018 at 6:14 PM
https://www.christianpost.com/news/amanda-blackburn-fought-shot-three-times-once-in-back-of-head-150832/
"The autopsy conducted on Amanda Blackburn on Nov. 12 revealed: "(She) sustained a gunshot wound to the back of her head. She also had a gunshot wound to the lower left arm which traveled up to her biceps. She also had a through and through gunshot wound which entered and exited her upper back."
She also had "scratches to her left cheek, a split lip and a lower tooth knocked out.""
Please note the gunshot wound to the lower left arm which traveled up to her biceps. This is why I picture her with her arms raised in defense as she charges at LT. But just speculation at this point.
Mel is still living with A. Cummins if she hasn't died from a broken heart.
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Jalen's sister's claim that he was at home will be difficult to prove, given that Jalen's phone was pinging here, there and everywhere. Having said that though, Diano Gordon had two or more phones which could make it look like he was in two places at the same time. :) There is still the little matter of an unidentified person who was phoned by DG, 5 times.
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"True healing after loss can't take place until you open up the wound and step into the vulnerable choice to love again." From Crazy Davey's fb page.
Blecchhhh. He makes me sick. He stole this trite piece of rubbish, no doubt, from Platitutudes Are Us. It would seem more fitting for losing a partner through divorce, rather than murder, too, but oh well. Excuse me while I step into the vulnerable choice to detest Davey Blackburn. (It's a quick step.)
This is a detailed timeline, if you all have not seen it yet.
TIMELINE: The murder of Amanda Blackburn
https://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/timeline-the-murder-of-amanda-blackburn
Oh, the latest fb post is encouraging people to look at his "word for 2018" blog. Traffic must have slowed down a bit.
Bingo, one of your recent posts made me understand Crazy Davey's word for 2018 - "Flow". I didn't realize it was an abbreviation of
Cash-flow.
Thanks Anon, But be aware that the timeline is inaccurate from the start.
5:23 is the time Jacola called 911 - not the time security cams caught people breaking in.
Anon @ 6:25
Search "across" here:
https://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2017/02/crime-wire-murder-of-amanda-blackburn.html?commentPage=3
for Davey's multiple descriptions of Amanda being shot "across" her back.
The cell phone pings are one of the most difficult things in this case.
I have to take back what I said about Jalen's phone pinging here there and everywhere. The phone number he provided to parole was 600 082 which he claimed was his sister's phone. This phone number had the least amount of activity on it.
600 082 pinged at E56 and I465, during the Searsbrook robbery AND during the homicide, according to the APC. That's it. Importantly, it did not appear to ping at Sunnyfield at all, nor at the bank(s) and when it was tracked, it was found in Donaes possession. (?!)
Diano Gordon has a pretrial conference on Friday.
I'm starting to see why Jalen was able to get a plea bargain. The prosecution can't put him at Sunnyfield (only Larrys phone and DGs phone).
Taylor's phone (0802) called Gordon's phone (0147) at 4:36am. (One might ask why, considering they were supposed to be together) but it doesn't leave the area. Gordon's phone, on the other hand, went from Clemente, to Sunnyfield, to Chase bank(s) back to Sunnyfield AND called Taylor's phone (7125) which pinged between 6:38 and 7:10 at Sunnyfield.
^^6:38 and 7:10 at Sunnyfield is close enough to 6:40-6:45 when the neighbour heard the gunshots and the woman scream.
A question is - if Amanda fought and fought, and rose up, and defended Weston, as the family said - and, as Davey said, took a beating - how bad? Bad - in the process - who did the beating, and when? How come LT supposedly shot Amanda to prevent her getting near enough to scratch him? Is he meant to have beat her after 'there were bullets', while she lay unconscious, all unable to defend herself and scratch him? Davey said Amanda took a beating, yet the CI and LT do not appear to know that Amanda was beaten - or that she was sexually assaulted - only that she was shot?
Anon 9:05 - yes that's the point. The APC describes phone pings from both Larry Tayor and Diano Gordon at Sunnyfield. Not Jalen Watson.
^^
Here you go, from the Associated Press:
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/11/amanda_blackburn_affidavit_pro.html
"Watson said there was a woman in the house and Watson busted her in the mouth," the court filing stated."
Trudy,
There have been some stating that there is no evidence that LT was even at the scene.
Hey Hey J. The CI said that Watson said that Taylor busted Amanda in mouth with his gun.
Well, whether Larry was at the scene or not - his phone was. And it was in contact with Diano Gordons phone.
Jalen Watson's phone didn't ping at Sunnyfield at all.
So is all the "proof" that we're aware of coming from JW's testimony? And they expect a jury to believe a felon who took a plea deal?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/teen-charged-murdering-pastors-wife-amanda-blackburn-n467986
"...they confronted Amanda Blackburn and "Taylor busted her in the mouth with his gun," Watson allegedly told his buddies when he came out."
So, looks like anybody's guess. He said, she said...?
Jalen Watson's DNA was on a pink sweater - connecting him to the Allison Becker robbery.
Jalen Watson was caught on surveillance at Chase Bank, with the pink sweater around his face, using Amanda Blackburn's Chase bank card - connecting him to the Blackburn robbery and murder.
That right there is enough to get him LWOP for felony murder. More than enough. (In Indiana there was a case where a man who lent his car to someone was charged with felony murder, even though it could be proven he was at home in bed at the time of the murder - all he did was lend his car to someone. The standard for felony murder is shockingly low, and the punishment is harsh.
He must have some significant "proof" (evidence) against Larry Taylor and Diano Gordon for his felony murder charge to be pled down to robbery and burglary.
Don't think that his plea bargain is some sort of get-out-of -jail card. Jalen Watson will definitely be going to prison for many, many years, 15-20 at least. There is no way to avoid it. It adds to his credibility, I think. He could have pled not guilty, like the others, and had a chance of getting away scot free, but he didn't.
The only reason to have beat and shoot and 3 times was to murder her. I don't believe "she fought to protect Weston" when CD says he was in his crib with the door still closed. All they supposedly wanted was her ATM card, and I see no reason for her to refuse. I'm sure she probably tried to protect herself, but there was no reason to do all that they did for an ATM card. And Mac pro. Totally seems to be a hired murder, with burglary to look like murder wasn't the reason. Then IMPD says it was a burglary gone wrong. Thugs just walked right in. Huge red flags that something is wrong with this picture.
Yes, and LE did all that tough talking at the beginning, about catching perps, charging them with murder of Amanda and baby, for even being around person that did this. Now, two years later, not so much. They did charge DG, but already let JW plead when he was involved enough to get the murder charges. I don't like feeling like LE talked tough but then let him off. Yeah, will be interesting to see him testify.
Busted her in the mouth with his gun - that's hearsay and also not 'a beating' - it's one action - Davey told Jono that Amanda had taken a beating. When Jono asked, 'How bad?' Davey said 'Bad'. Larry Taylor has not said he busted Amanda in the mouth with his gun - the CI said that LT said that. Davey believed that Amanda had taken a beaten. Jono said he would not have known it was Amanda but for the relatives gathered by her bedside. Why would Davey say Amanda had 'taken a beaten' unless he had reason to believe that was so?
Ok, so what was originally reported by the police is not true? It wasn't the 3 thugs next door who robbed and just happened to see Davey leave and decided at 6:10 in the morning, they needed just a little more money so they just happened to walk in the unlocked front door and kill Amanda for a few hundred bucks. Jalen wasn't even there??
How is this all going to go down in the trial? Why did the police tell a different story at the crazy press conference? Why didn't they do their job and properly investigate the "most likely" person involved and thoroughly research connections? Will the cover up continue or will someone actually step up and look little further into this case?
At this point, Davey has caused so much more destruction in his path, including sucking money from other hard-working people for his own lavish lifestyle. It would have been so much better for Weston if Davey had immediately gone to jail. You know, since it was the best time for Amanda to die in W's life, it would have also been the best time for Davey to get locked up. He wouldn't have even asked for Daddy just like he never asks for Mommy anymore (Davey's horrible words)
We need to find out who drove LT to Sunnyfield Ct. He obviously didn't walk there or he would have walked back and not lingered around waiting for a ride. JW and DG were gone before LT arrived. LT and whoever he was with got to Amanda's a few mimutes before Ananda was murdered. Whoever drove LT there left him.
Anon @ 9:02,
You're assuming that Amanda was shot when the ear witness heard shots, but the amount of brain swelling that took place by the time Davey called 911 may indicate that Amanda was shot much earlier. Maybe a day earlier. The thugs were set up.
But the witness also heard a woman scream, 10:49 AM, so inclined to believe that Amanda was alive and conscious when she was shot.
The earwitness stated she heard (only) two shots and "what sounded like a woman scream".
I remain unconvinced that Natasha Jones Tank wasn't instructed to say that she heard gunshots and a scream at a certain time.
Also need to also know who gave JW and DG the bank cards when they stopped for 5 minutes on Davey's street. They were there from 6:25AM to approx 6:30AM, so who gave them the bank cards? Did someone leave them outside of Allison Becker's, as that is where DG said they parked. Or did someone physically hand them the cards. LT wasn't there yet so it wasn't him.
And I also believe (agree) that the thugs were set up - that Amanda was already in very serious condition by the time they walked in. If they were ever there. I am not good with the confidential informant pinning things on Taylor and with Davey so helpfully telling us that Larry Taylor is the guy who actually pulled the trigger on Amanda - he has to pin it on someone besides himself - this was all planned out from the start.
And about Amanda's condition and when all of this happened to her - it seems that as much as Amber likes to share things on Facebook, she would've posted a picture of that family dinner at Mamaw's house since that was supposedly/ should have been the last time they were all together. Amanda was nonexistent in pictures from that whole day except for that video at Traders Point which is also suspect and not reliable.
According to Robin, that was Amanda's last physical appearance (not sure if exact words) - apparently she was in "your church" (as she allegedly wrote to describe Resonate in her final journal entry) on Sunday November 8th to get to hear Davey tell how Worship is a Weapon against worrying about his kids and that phone call and whatever else.
The extent of her injuries and being shot three times (and in the back of the head) indicate that someone truly wanted to make her suffer, not just to kill her.
When was the last time anyone really saw Amanda alive and well ?
Anon @ 11:22,
No, you're not inclined. The earwitness is wrong.
Anon @ 11:36,
You know who "gave" them the bank cards.
FFB,
Davey said that Amanda was "up" with Weston on Monday morning 11/9/15.
Is this when she "rose up" according to Amber?
This would indicate that she was already in a bad condition - being "propped" up, but heroically "rose up" on Monday morning, which would indicate that something serious had already happened earlier in the weekend. Amanda was in pictures purported to be taken in Cinci a few days earlier.
Is Monday morning when Amanda was "about to get up anyway"?
Or did she again heroically move from one spot to another inside the home, when she was not expected to be able to move anywhere?
Phil said everything that crawls reminds him of Amanda.
Disregard the "about to get up" comment from Davey. It says nothing about what Amanda actually did on Tuesday morning.
That poor woman.
It's interesting that when Davey blogs about what could have been if Amanda and Evie had lived, Amanda stays in bed in the morning, and Davey has to bring Weston to her.
Why wouldn't she also be up in the morning, especially with two babies?
Amanda was paralyzed.
When did it happen?
Unraveling out loud...?
Thinking on the bullet that went "across" Amanda's back, and the bullet that was recovered from the bottom of the stairs in the home. If Amanda had been able to "run" toward the shooter and the stairs, why wouldn't she also have been able to escape through the front door?She "put up a fight". She "endured". Larry wasn't known to be violent and a fighter. He would have ran.
No, Larry has only been charged with confinement.
Amanda was already incapacitated.
But again, LE is purporting that the bullet from the stairs is the one that went "across" her back?
So, Davey says she was kneeling by the bed in surrender on Monday morning, after being "up" with Weston, and after not "seeing" her on the bed, or in the bathroom. Not "seeing" does not preclude a myriad of other things Davey may have done to Amanda. Things which prompted "shower" repeatedly in his language.
After Amanda "surrendered" by the bed, was Weston then taken by Davey up to his room on the second floor? Did Weston toddle away from the horror on his own and head toward the relative security of his bedroom up the stairs?
Then, at some point, Amanda "rose up" and crawled out of her bedroom, down the hall, through the living room, and toward the stairs to "protect her son" and then a "downward" shot went "across" her back and into the stairs.
That is assuming the bullet LE recovered is the one that went "across" Amanda's back.
A shot that Larry was extremely unlikely to have fired, because who murders a woman and than walks down the street loudly jabbering on their phone?
And why has Amber inserted herself into Monday? Was she with Amanda, or did she write her stories to provide an alibi for Davey?
If Amanda was physically surrendered on Monday morning, and making noise on Monday night, was the purported noise the shots fired on Monday evening?
Did someone borrow a gun from Mamaw's house?
Who helped clean, stage, and decorate the tree?
Amber had her own babies to care for at Mamaw's house.
Who else knew Weston, Mel, and the home?
Meg.
How many of Perry's "suggestions" were broken, including false witness for framing the thugs?
I wonder if Kristi drove a dark-colored SUV around the time Amanda was murdered?
Anon @12:07, Davey was gone when DG and JW showed up on sunnyfield court.
Anonymous@January 25, 2018 at 2:07 PM
"Larry wasn't known to be violent and a fighter. He would have ran."
The facts say otherwise:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/12/29/amanda-blackburn-suspect/78023602/
"The teen accused of killing a pastor's wife went on an eight-day binge of random and brutal violence even before he entered Amanda Blackburn's house, authorities say."
Please think before you post, and please provide links for the things that you state as facts. Thank you.
Anonymous@January 25, 2018 at 2:07 PM
"Larry wasn't known to be violent and a fighter. He would have ran."
The facts say otherwise:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/12/29/amanda-blackburn-suspect/78023602/
"The teen accused of killing a pastor's wife went on an eight-day binge of random and brutal violence even before he entered Amanda Blackburn's house, authorities say."
Please think before you post, and please provide links for the things you state as facts. Thank you.
^^^I only posted once--must have been a computer glitch.
When someone walked in on Larry robbing a place, he apologized and wiped off his finger prints.
The "story" of the 11/3/15 rape is hearsay, and full of oddities (doors, lights on and off, showering in preparation...), like why was a brand new iphone recovered with her stolen items? I suspect her stolen phone may have been used to house the burner SIM used on the morning of 11/10/15. For being victimized on 11/4/15, this poor girl was rewarded with a brand new iphone, from the guys who knew what time her boyfriend needed to be picked up from work (10:00) ... and kindly forced her to get drunk while violating her.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/295143604/Larry-Taylor-Jalen-Watson-Rape-Dec-2015
The "story" of the 11/4/15 murder is hearsay.
The "story" of the CI and 11/10/15 is hearsay. The first break in the case was Jalen's spit on the sweater found in Jacola's car and seen on ATM video.
Again, what murderer strolls down the street loudly jabbering on a phone, while people are getting ready for work in the morning, in a cul de sac?
One who set up.
Creepy DB quotes which imply (leak) he was responsible for "what happened to Amanda."
I felt the Lord speak to my heart and remind me Amanda wasn’t mine. That she had been stewarded to me by our Heavenly Father for a season, and when that season is done it would be my responsibility to present my Bride to the Father.
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And though I didn’t even realize it in that moment, I helped Jesus present her to the Father holy and blameless.
https://daveyblackburn.com/blog/i-loved-her-first
I wasn’t even there to step in and fight, intercept, protect or offer my own life as a bargaining chip to save my best friend’s. The opportunity was ripped away from me. She was ripped away from me!
https://daveyblackburn.com/blog/how-do-you-deal-with-the-way-amanda-died-part-4
I believe all of her memories of that incident were erased and she immediately felt a rush of relief, forgiveness, satisfaction, and protection.
https://daveyblackburn.com/blog/how-do-you-deal-with-the-way-amanda-died-part-1
Check this advertisement out that was appended to my site search of daveyblackburn.com:
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http://www.christsreligion.com/Volume-6-html/index.html
Anonymous@January 25, 2018 at 3:14 PM
"When someone walked in on Larry robbing a place, he apologized and wiped off his finger prints."
Do you have a link for the above statement? Thanks.
mom2many@January 25, 2018 at 3:31 PM
Thanks for all the links. Fantastic. Now, that's the way to do it!
Anon 2:07.
Larry has been charged with far more that just "confinement". Where did you get that? Have a look at the APC - as confusing as it is. Larry Taylor has been charged with felony murder and a number of other things.
I always thought how odd it was that the thug was talking loudly on his phone also. Who does that right after a murder? Also, he supposedly brutally beat her and shot her in close range. If he shot her and leaned over and watched her bleed, it is gruesome to think how much blood and brain matter when have gotten on him. He would have been a bloody mess but no one mentions seeing any blood on him? The other thing just mentioned that has always bothered me is the mention of Amanda being "propped" in bed. Also, the kissing her goodbye.
Ok, also, so the CI testimony that Larry beat her with the gun and brought the cards out to the other two thugs is a lie? They were only there for 5 mins and LT wasn't even there yet? So they didn't leave LT there to assault Amanda. He was dropped by someone else?
"If he shot her and leaned over and watched her bleed, it is gruesome to think how much blood and brain matter when have gotten on him. He would have been a bloody mess but no one mentions seeing any blood on him?"
Davey:
5/15/16 Home Run Life Week 7
"Are we convinced that, everybody’s going to live forever, somewhere? Because I’m going to tell you right now, wh-, when you come a-, when you come across, death, as close as I have, eternity is extremely palpable. You can taste it. You can feel it. It’s right there."
Regarding Larry's 2014 robbery, I can't find the exact quote where he apologized and wiped prints before leaving, but he did supposedly walk in on a teenager accidentally:
0:50 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-he0srnB7U4
Here's the teenager statement. Larry Taylor, when surprised by a victim, supposedly wiped off his prints and left. A far cry from the story of what he did to Amanda.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxV4bgE9JAQ
Together with mom:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-he0srnB7U4
Ok, also, so the CI testimony that Larry beat her with the gun and brought the cards out to the other two thugs is a lie? They were only there for 5 mins and LT wasn't even there yet? So they didn't leave LT there to assault Amanda. He was dropped by someone else?
January 25, 2018 at 4:14 PM
Yes to everything but whether he beat her or not. No one knows for sure who did what inside that house
In the APC, LT has been charged with thirteen things (if I read it correctly):
Twelve felonies of varying levels and one Class A misdemeanor. That's just in the one APC dated November 23, 2015, of which AB and BB (Baby Blackburn) were a part of.
https://drive.google.com/viewerng/viewer?url=https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2572175/amanda-blackburn-case-larry-taylor-jalen-watson.pdf
Anon @ 5:06
Is the CI lying or is LE lying about the CI?
Yes, my ? too. Are the police lying or CI lying or both? Police seem to push the narrative that the thugs sat next door and waited for Davey to leave for the crime of opportunity. (something like that said at crazy presser) Two of thugs went inside DB house, got the card, went bk out talked a while. They decided to leave guy there? Drove off, used the cards, came bk, picked up LT and drove bk to Alonzo apt. Gosh, I want to be in that courtroom when all these lies are sorted out.
The CI is diano Gordon. He is lying. He's protecting his other gang member friends. LTis not a gang member friend of his. Most likely an associate. Everything was supposed to be pinned on LT. As far as LE lying, don't know but their narrative doesn't match the evidence in the APC.
Who gave Diano the narrative to relay?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3377704/Teen-killed-pastor-s-wife-raped-woman-gunpoint-charged-SECOND-murder-armed-robbery.html
"Marion County Prosecutor Terry Curry said the felony charges Taylor now faces — two murders, a rape during a home burglary and two other home burglaries — are the most violent he has brought against a single individual during his five years as prosecutor."
I really can't see the logic behind LT being this mild-mannered, almost polite, thief, at least not according to the already established facts about his history. So, are the thirteen charges in the November 23, 2015 APC, along with other charges brought prior, anomalies? Or is this one you-tube report being misconstrued as the 'real' LT?
This is what he faces (and then some, since there are multiple counts PLUS an enhancement--see last quote) if convicted:
"A murder conviction in Indiana holds a 45 to 60 year prison sentence - with some perpetrators getting life in prison or the death penalty."
Yes, Indiana has the death penalty (will post link later).
"Prosecutors have filed for a sentencing enhancement against Taylor, which means he could face an additional 20 years in prison if convicted because Blackburn was pregnant, reported WTHR Today."
^Here is the link concerning criminal cases and sentences (among other things) in Indianapolis:
http://statelaws.findlaw.com/indiana-law/your-indianapolis-criminal-case-the-basics.html
The CI might be Alonzo Bull. Why he hasn't been arrested, I don't know, but he was heavily involved. He could be charged with aiding and abetting, accessory to the fact, accessory after the fact, etc. etc.
I'd like to know how Alonzo knew that LT was "left" at Sunnyfield, in the first place. How did he know?
Alonzo is involved up to his eyeballs.
Put aside what the CI says for a moment and concentrate on the facts in the APC which are indisputable. Eg Times of 911 calls, footage and time stamps from various surveillance cameras, the receipts from Chase bank, and the cell tower pings for mobile telephones. Look at where those things put the defendants, and when.
Psychic investigator that is working on a TV show about unsolved crimes and is going to investigate this case, had this to say:
Anthony ("Tony") knows everything
There were either 2 life insurance policies on Amanda or 1 that had something added to it. The other life insurance policy or addition to the first were done right before the murder
DB knew KM A LOT longer than they are saying
I just reread the A PC, and yes, stick with the indisputable facts. Something is off, but I don't have time right now to organize the info. I would also put it together with DW's info as to who lives where and all the info he has. In reading it again, I do think Alonzo is the CI. Could that be why he wasn't arrested?
Diano Gordon initially cooperated with LE until they informed him he would have to testify against the other two. He refused and was arrested and charged with murder.
"According to sources within IMPD, Gordon stop cooperating with prosecutors about the details of the case, and he refused to testify against Taylor and Watson. Sources within IMPD, say this decision by Gordon resulted in him being charged with murder."
http://wishtv.com/2016/01/15/diano-gordon-faces-murder-charges-in-blackburn-case/
And why no info on the SUV that took the TV's? I should say there's a lot wrong with the A PC. It continually says the perpetrators broke and entered Amanda's house. It says CD reported an head injury and AB unconscious. It reports her wallet on the floor and on the counter. Like I said, I would need to write it all down in a way I could organize the facts, etc. I start to forget some before I get to the end.
Look at the APC. It lists State's Witnesses. Alonzo Bull is listed by name, as is Donae Mitchell. Then there is "Cooperating Individual". As Trudy points out, the most reliable info from LE is listed in the APC.
DNA had to have been found all over the house, no? At the minimum, the downstairs. When reporters asked Terry Curry how he knew they got the right guy, Curry replies that he is going off the probable cause and does not seem confident while stating this. Even the reporter knew, at the time, the probable cause was a joke. Still anxious to view/hear not only the 911 call, but the interrogation tapes and to find out how long they lasted, methods used, etc. Taylor said he was messed up, which may have enhanced the set up.
I hope they took Weston's clothing to test for skin cells/dna.
Thanks Trudy for the update on Mel. I'm not sure she died of a broken heart, or would. After listening to Davey's many stories about what a F up Mel was, I think Mel may have moved up in the doggy world and is hopefully receiving all the love and attention she deserves after having to endure years of that brutal environment.
Had to add, I think you were implying Mel died of a broken heart once Amanda passed, but thank God Mel didn't have to go back to Crazy Davey.
If CD would have left for the gym at 6am as usual, he would have had to pass the SUV and/or Sebring in AB driveway. He must have passed by the Sebring at 6:11 am. I keep feeling like he knew they were at her house, and left the door unlocked on purpose, because he knew they were there. Maybe he waited to make sure the SUV was gone and the thieves were not outside.
Davey normally left for the gym at 5:30, mot 6:00. And the Sebring didn't get to Sunnyfield Ct until 6:25, according to cell phone pings.
Anthony Shannon, aka "Cheese", is way more involved than just the guy that buys stolen goods. He was 27 at the time of Amanda's murder, much older than LT, who was only 18. Anthony was hanging out with Larry Taylor on the day of the rape case, the day of the murder of Rolando Gonzales-Hernandze and Amanda's murder. We know this from the APC's in all of the cases. Sophia Barker is Anthony Shannon's girlfriend. The other CI's in the RGR murder case and rape case are Anthony's brother marcus and Marcus' girlfriend.
Nov 3 at 9:50PM rape reported
Nov 4 8:31 PM murder of RGR reported
Nov 10 8:22AM murder of Amanda reported
The APC in the rape case says that JW and LT showed up at 10PM at Anthony's apartment after the rape (which was reported at 9:50PM). They had stolen goods that they dropped off, including the victim's computer.
According to the APC in the RGR murder case, Sophia Barker (CI #1) was with her boyfriend, Anthony Shannon (CI #2), and LT and his girlfriend, Hayley at the Abington Apartments on November 4 It hasn't been determined who actually lived at the Abington Apartments but it wasn't Anthony. While at the Abington Apts, LT allegedly told Anthony and Sophia that he was going to "hit a lick" at the La Joya Apartments. Anthony confirmed this as well.
Sophia then said that she saw LT the next day (Nov 5) and he told both she and Anthony that he had robbed and shot a Mexican at the La Joya Apartments. Anthony confirmed this as well.
**Larry Taylor was at the scene of RGR's murder from 4:10PM until 8:56PM. He made and received several phone calls during this time.**
In the APC in the rape case, Anthony Shannon and Sophia Barker had given police a black ski mask that they said LT left at their apartment on Nov 10 (day of Amanda's murder). LT also admitted to going to see Cheese the morning of the murder and DG said he and JW dropped LT off near 56th & Guion (which is where Anthony Shannon lives).
What are the odds that this innocent CI Anthony Shannon was with LT on the day of all 3 of his crimes? How does LT know him? How does JW know him? Remember JW told LT during the rape "Stop. That's not what we're here for." Also remember they left abruptly and the rape victim didn't seem to know why they left so abruptly. Anthony Shannon needs to be investigated for a link to Davey, Kristi, Jeremy, Alonzo and all of the suspects.
Here is the Affidavit for Probable Cause (APC) for November 3, 2015, dated December 18, 2015.
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2649018/Larry-Taylor-Jalen-Watson-Sexual-assault-Dec-2015.pdf
Might funds have moved through ProBank Austin, Millenia Investments, and bitcoin to "pay" for the "hit"?
What do we know about Kristi? She had to get married to 1st hubby because of pregnancy so doubtful that was ever a great union. She is in her 30's and still in school. Has any background research been done on her? Where did she come from? Who did she know? All of the sudden, God dropped into Davey's life as he connected all the dots so beautifully, woven together like a beautiful quilt, ingredients tossed together for a delicious goodness cake is something I am not buying for one second!
Bingo, neither did the psychic investigator from the show I'm working on. She said DB and KM knew each other a lot longer than 2016 and didn't meet like they said they did. She said KM was obsessed with DB. She said DB knew suspects and so did KM.
As an fyi, Andres is 4 years younger than Kristi.
I've done a small background, not much there. Davey does exclaim (a few years prior) that he has a cousin in Carmel and tells the story about her meeting Payton Manning and that cousin not aware of who he was. I've noticed a pattern in Davey's sermons, question is, was he preaching to Kristi while Amanda was alive? In some of the past vids, sure seems like it. His latest sermon, has anyone watched it? I'm wondering if anyone caught the part where he speaks to Amanda's story being like Hannah's story, it was a strange comparison and he brings up being barren again, is Kristi barren after having Natalia? I don't understand why he continues to bring up that point.
I'm working on a vid now, it seems each time I put one together, I discover bigger and bolder things that absolutely boggles my mind as to why he wasn't hauled in immediately. After you see this vid, you will remain worried in your concern for Weston as well as a host of other things. I wanted to make one last vid before any trials, I was going to title it, "Every Single Reason Why", but there are far too many reasons why and the vid would end up being hours long. I hope to have it up tonight and will drop the link here. Prepare yourself now to be deeply disturbed, no drama, just jaw dropper.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Might funds have moved through ProBank Austin, Millenia Investments, and bitcoin to "pay" for the "hit"?
January 26, 2018 at 12:44 PM
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Curious why you used this specific bank, especially because Kristi had some addresses in Texas (although none in Austin that i could find). That being said, I'm not sure the thugs would even know what bitcoins are. But, they would take cash, and Davey had a lot of untraceable cash from all of the church donations, money grabs and "love offerings". Do you want to elaborate or was this a joke from SAC?
Here is the Affidavit for Probable Cause (APC) for Larry Jo Taylor Jr. for the murder of Rolando Gonzalez-Hernandez on Wednesday, November 4, 2015, dated December 28, 2015.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/295145303/Larry-Taylor-Murder-Dec-2015
If anyone has the PDF, I would appreciate it. Thanks.
Anon @ 1:16,
It's no joke, and I'll leave it as a conundrum for you as to why I questioned funds moving through ProBank Austin.
^If it's no joke then why the games? Why leave it as a conundrum (gee, where have I heard that before...let me see)? Spill the beans or stop playing games.
Lol at the word conundrum anon at 2:05pm.
I too think/agree that Kristi has been around FAR longer than Davey would ever want us to know. Way too much explaining how they met and how he peered at her with a new interest when she was talking about "his story" and the connection to her.
I wanted to make one last vid before any trials, I was going to title it, "Every Single Reason Why", but there are far too many reasons why and the vid would end up being hours long. I hope to have it up tonight and will drop the link here.
BRING IT Kate ! I would watch hours but it would take forever for you to make that video. Thank you again for all the time you take sorting things out and editing them and thank you again to everyone who takes the time to post here and elsewhere. I seriously believe it is making a difference.
This guy is dirty (filthy actually) and the truth needs to be exposed. It is so sad that Amanda's own family won't fight for the truth about what happened to their sweet Amanda and that random internet strangers have had to band together and unite and keep focused for this cause for so long. I don't know how Phil Byars can look at himself in the mirror or sleep at night.
What I find interesting in the APCs, is the number of CI's that Torres used in his APC compared to the one Lehn wrote.
In the one for Amanda's murder, dated 11/23/15, Detective Thomas Lehn writes: "On November 21st, 2015, I interviewed a cooperating individual. The CI said Larry Taylor, Jalen Watson and Diano Gordon left Alonzo Bull's apartment." and so on, relaying the "story" including "They decided they wanted more money." etc...
https://www.scribd.com/doc/291143533/Affidavit-of-Probable-Cause-in-Amanda-Blackburn-Case
In the one for Rolando's murder, dated 12/28/15, Detective Jose Torres writes: "On Monday, December 7, 2015, I received information about a possible suspect in the shooting of Rolando Gonzalez-Hernandez. I followed up with this information and on December 15, 2015 I took a statement from Cooperating Witness #1 (CW #1), a person who is known to law enforcement and who has no apparent motive to lie. ... On Wednesday December 16, 2015, I took a statement from Cooperating Witness #2 (CW #2), a person who is known to law enforcement and who has no apparent motive to lie. ... On Thursday, December 17, 2015, I took a statement from Cooperating Witness #3 (CW #3), a person who is known to law enforcement and who has no apparent motive to lie."
And three times, Torres wrote "a person who is known to law enforcement and who has no apparent motive to lie"
"^If it's no joke then why the games? Why leave it as a conundrum (gee, where have I heard that before...let me see)? Spill the beans or stop playing games."
So, I asked a question, which prompted you to ask WHY I asked the question.
It's obviously sensitive to you.
Do you know the answer?
Did funds move through ProBank Austin to "pay" for the "hit"?
^I don't know--but I bet you do.
DW, all that info you have found about the players, APC's you've studied, info gathered- Kate your movies, your time going thru the sermons. The time and effort is very appreciated. Everyone's persistence, thought provoking posts and information. I just wanted to take a minute and say how awesome you all are. I am stunned by the amount information that is in these threads.
DW,
Does "Jeremy" have a last name?
I keep thinking of Jeremy Hendricks from Resonate, his love of guns, and his affirmation that Amanda's murder was something that none of them saw coming.
Jeremy Javelle McGee. And he's an older Kilt gang member.
Does anyone know if someone can be charged with murder after someone has already been convicted for the same murder? For instance: If LT and/or DG are convicted, and LE find out afterward that other (s) had a hand in masterminding it, can LE arrest other (s) for the same murder?
I know that it sounds like an offbeat question, but sometimes the intricacies of the legal system can be tricky.
I have attached a link verifying that the state of Indiana has no statute of limitations on filing a murder charge, just not sure if someone can be charged if someone else has been convicted:
http://statelaws.findlaw.com/indiana-law/indiana-criminal-statute-of-limitations-laws.html
Just some questions and wish list items I have been pondering.
If it is true someone working at the hospital texted KM about Amanda's status while she was in the hospital, the person violated HIPAA laws. KM wasn't in the need to know anything about Amanda's life, so why was there a need to specifically text KM that information?
Also, what is KM's ex-husband's side of the story regarding the cause and nature of their break-up? The timing coincides with Amanda's murder. Did he suspect KM was seeing or speaking to anyone else? Did they pay him off too?
Analysis of DB & KM's gym billing records, as well as computer, phone records and email communications before and after Amanda's murder. The nuances found in written communications could be very telling.
Did they have any secret email addresses? Is it possible a "throw away phone" was being used to keep the phone records clean?
Anonymous@January 26, 2018 at 4:56 PM
"Analysis of DB & KM's gym billing records...."
This is what I would like to know:
-When and for how long has KB (KM) been going to the gym
-Did she ever go to LA fitness
-When did DB switch to CrossFit
for starters.
^add to that:
-When did DB first take out a gym membership
-When did he first take out insurance on AB
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