Peter Hyatt on "Crime Wire": The Murder of Amanda Blackburn
February 23, 2017, Peter Hyatt will be a guest on "Crime Wire" live broadcast, and will be taking your calls and questions at 9am to 1030AM EST.
Amanda Blackburn was a victim of a sexual homicide in which arrests have been made.
Questions, however, remain in one of the most bizarre 'solved' murder cases of recent years.
Peter Hyatt will share analysis of the case, including deception detection techniques, and what this may mean for justice.
Imagine Publicity Blog : broadcast of the show on Madeleine McCann 2016.
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«Oldest ‹Older 3201 – 3400 of 4996 Newer› Newest»Pretty funny in the crazy preschool sermon that Bingo posted. Around the 18:10 mark, Davey says "We dropped him off at school" and then quickly says "I dropped him off".
Davey's public storytelling, and public photos told me that Davey stayed at Mamaw's house after Amanda died. And Davey did not like it.
What happened at Mamaw's house on November 9th, and 10th, 2015?
What happened at Amanda's house on November 8th, 9th, and 10th 2015?
What happened to the Chevy Cruze?
That is crazy for a preschool to cost that much money. Who is paying for it if indeed someone else really is providing the funding. Why would anyone choose to provide that amount of money to Davey when he is not at all shy about sharing his many luxurious vacations, golf outings, sporting events, new clothing for he and Weston, etc. He lives in a half million dollar house with a landscaped pool. It was all bought on generous donations, nothing he generated, but still he has a lot of blood money from the murder.
What happened at Mamaw's house?
Anyone who could afford it and felt for Weston - as in they want to give the kid a break from Davey?
Or maybe there is a trust fund from which fees or partial fees are met for children of 'deserving' single parents?
I am going to listen to that sermon - already sounds like bad psychology - Davey's approach will only increase his anxiety. If it's not medical, he will soon want and begin to follow his classmates - if it's medical, he is not going to be able to stay dry without tratement.
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Thanks, TJ - I'll look at the affidavit again - the timeline and phones/signals I find complicated. I would just take their word for it, sort of thing, but am still interested as to whether it all does correspond with timelines in the news reports/stories.
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The dead in the stairwell blogger is concerning - it's not difficult to see, from his themes, that he was seen as a threat by some. What to make of him suggesting he might not be around to know the result of the election? How did he die, more precisely - where are the updates? A friend saying he was not suicidal - that often is said, that people who are intent on suicide hide their intentions in order to be able to carry them through. His statement would not be to hide an intention, so I wonder if maybe he was in fear for his life, he put it out there, yet not directly enough so as to avoid ambiguity. That is maybe interesting in itself - did he suspect he was being paranoid, so did not fully articulate his (possible) thoughts/fear? I think it suspicious that he would choose a stairwell in which to end his life - not at home, in comfort, surrounded with his favourite things. IDK. That doesn't have to mean anything - people hang themselves in trees and throw themselves over cliffs and bridges, some maybe don't want to 'spoil' their home, leave a mess, or make the property less saleable for those who are to deal with their death. I think it interesting he is identified as a blogger in news reports of his death, rather than by his profession as an attorney - his blogging was significant. LE identified him as a blogger - I'd expect them to identify him as an attorney - unless he was of more significance as a blogger. If he dealt only in civil cases, and blogged about the police department, I suppose they would be aware of him as a blogger, and not so much as an attorney - so it doesn't have to mean anything, necessarily, that they said he was a blogger rather than an attorney. Disappointed myself with reason now. :-/
Did Amanda have a rope around her neck when she "jumped" into a pile of leaves at Mamaw's house?
What happened at Mamaw's house?
What causes you to ask that, Bobcat?
Multiple statements and leakage.
What happened at Mamaw's house?
Bobcat is notoriously wrong.
deborraz12Davey-when will your book be released? Amazon is populating a date of November 1, 2025???
daveyblackburn@deborraz12 yeah that's because there is no official release date yet. It was originally set for Nov 7 of this year but Amanda's trial has been pushed back a few times so we're waiting to release it until all trial procedures are over. We'll definitely make sure everyone knows when we have a date!
More BS. The "trial procedures" didn't stop him releasing an album of crappy songs or selling T shirts, did it? They book is on hold until 2025 (the 10 year anniversary of Amanda's murder, and perhaps, a more thoughtful and respectful time to release a book about hope and healing and forgiveness of murderers). If Davey could have the book released yesterday, it would too soon for him. Remember how he almost swallowed his own tongue in excitement about the cd, Ever With Me?
It's not "We" that are waiting to release his stupid book; the matter is, obviously, out of crazy Davey's hands, "They" are waiting to release it. Very wise, too.
I thought Davey moved in with Ashley and Derek right after Amanda's murder.
At the end of January, they were still at "Poppy's" house.
He was at Derek and Ashley's by Valentine's Day. They gave him a massage certificate.
Anon @ 5:25,
Wrong about Mamaw's house...maybe. Right that Amber likely FABRICATED activities for Amanda to maintain IMAGE that everything was hunky dory in Indy on 11/9/15.
What did Davey do on Monday, November 9, 2015?
Anon at 9:10 on the 31st...
Donae Mitchell seems to indicate on Facebook that Alonzo is with her and
their 2 children in Indy.
"Davey mentions how cute he dressed Weston and said to Weston "You will make the Blackburn name proud by going in and being in a cute outfit". He talks about "pulling" Weston out of the car seat and how Weston was completely wet. He said he stripped him naked in the car and all the kids were pointing at Weston. He said "I am absolutely embarrassed by my kid who could not make it from the commute to the drop off." He said he then went to a parent mingle and came back to Weston's class and he was in another pair of pants. He said he pointed to Weston and said, "We will talk when we get home." He also said as they were walking out to the car, he told Weston all 3 year old’s have accidents except for Blackburn’s (oh my gosh) Crazy Davey then mentions that the next day he again had Weston dressed so cute. Davey said on the entire commute to school, he pulled the Blackburn card “Blackburn’s stay dry, Blackburn’s don't have accidents.”
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^^ Disturbing. Seriously, raising a kid with that level of 'perfection' anxiety is absolutely cruel and effed up. CRUEL. Hurt people, hurt people...
Poor PKs (Pastor's Kids) for generations...
See comment here: https://www.instagram.com/p/BKQ9doFB8wazjYfwRXFZyBKSj8Ymajdrz5R0JQ0/
brendablackburn Ironically, I woke up at 3:30am Monday morning thinking about Amanda too. I miss her, so! I was thinking about how much she would have loved being with Weston and playing with him (and then disciplining him, too). During those early hours yesterday I just prayed for Davey, Weston, all the Byars, Sashey, and Uncle D. All day I was pretty emotional. It hits hard sometimes. I am so glad you have these wonderful memories. SEPTEMBER 12, 2016
Bobcat, I was appalled not only that he treated his toddler like this but that he actually shared it with everyone. He is a very cruel man. If he treats his son like that, imagine how he treated Amanda. Weston doesn't stand a chance with him. Little does he know, HE is causing the anxiety resulting in Weston wetting himself so much.
Now, Davey has left Weston behind again to travel out of town. He is golfing and fishing in South Carolina. Is he so dense to announce he got assistance to pay for a SUPER expensive preschool for Weston (about 5x price of regular preschools) only to hop on yet another plane for yet another luxurious vacation. AND post all of his outings on Instagram stories. He posts on Instagram stories more than a teenage girl. It is like he loves to brag about his fancy lifestyle as though he is a successful business man enjoying the fruits of his labor. In reality, he is a pastor of 100 people who is living of the blood money of his dead wife.
I assume Megs is caring for Weston. How convenient that she moved to Indy to help care for Weston just a few months before Amanda was killed. She was able to move right in to Amanda's place to care for Weston while Davey tends to more important things, you know like "pouring himself out, meeting with this person, etc" (aka, golfing). I was telling my mom about the case yesterday and about the Nanny that moved in before the murder and she was like, "It sounds like this was planned months before it happened." She may be right. I can't wrap my mind around that but it sure is suspicious.
A few months before the murder, Amber asked if anyone had an old iPhone that she could have for a friend. I wonder who the friend was. She didn't get many responses.
After the woman was robbed by JW & LT on November 3rd, the police found her stolen items. One thing was different, though. Her stolen iPhone had been replaced by a brand new, in the box, iphone.
I'm becoming suspicious of Jacola Searsbrook. She has home video monitoring with her security system package from Xfinity Home Secirity. Also included are door monitors and alarms. She said her alarm wasn't working when the thugs broke in yet her surveillance camera was. The alarm would have sent police there immediately yet it conveniently wasn't working. Xfinity says they send alerts to cell phones when activity is picked up on surveillance. She also said she slept next to her phone and her phone was stolen. This stolen iPhone would have alerts as to what time the break-in was. All of her items were returned, except the iPhone. She was conveniently gifted with a brand new iPhone? And if she slept right next to her phone, she most likely would have heard 1) the alerts or 2) the thugs in her room.
It was important to get video of these 3 so that they could be tied to a crime spree.
Jacola at the 1:30 mark
http://www.wthr.com/article/victim-learns-chilling-details-of-burglary-before-blackburn-murder
^ And Jacola lived 30 minutes away from the thugs:
"The burglary victim lives about 30 minutes away from the Woods of North Kessler neighborhood."
http://wishtv.com/2015/11/23/woman-burglarized-by-blackburn-suspects-still-shaken/
Does one of the thugs have a bday on August 20? Treley Kidd posted a Happy Birthday to one of his buddies. He talks about the buddy is fighting an M 1 (Murder in the First) charge. He says that the friend is going to stay quiet.
Treley Kidd
August 20 at 11:41am ·
Happy Birthday to my lil nigga LJ ! Got my thug in the county fighting that M ! But he gone beat it mfs can run they mouth all they want 🗣 bro gone keep his mouth shut 🤐 and make it out that situation
Free ItzJus Seventyfirstblk
#71Bang
https://www.facebook.com/king.kidd.10?pnref=friends.search
More from Treley. He says they offered Diano and Jalen 20 years but they turned it down:
Treley Kidd
August 18 at 6:43pm ·
Free Dloc G
You been on my mind cuz.. hurry up and get out of seg so we can talk lol
urtis Blow Sick where bro at now
Loccie Miller County
Curtis Blow Damn still I thought they woulda sent him to the joint already for his violation
Treley Kidd He went Pendleton for a few months for his violation. He back in the county now
Curtis Blow Shit tragic mane how the case lookin
Treley Kidd It's damn looking ugly ! Last I heard they offered him and Lil Jalen 20 do 15..... but they ain't wanna sign it ... they keep pushing trial date back it's almost been 2 years
Loccie Miller bro that's cuz they really dnt wanna hit dloc wit the murder so they tryn to get Larry out here first then deal wit them n the burglarys
Curtis Blow Otgs mf bet not sign that tf but they gone try to whack dloc anyways cuz he a repeat offender
Paperboi C-more Bucks Thats my mf nigga bro #FunniestNiggaAlive #FreeDlocG
Treley Kidd Lol omm stay roasting mfs. That's my blood cousin 🤞🏽
Jalen had a hearing today.
Notes: Parties are still working on things and have a meeting on 9/11/17.
Parties are not requesting a trial date.
Pretrial Conference scheduled for 09/29/2017 at 1:00 PM.
Interesting notice on the Indiana MyCase search site: Search for non-confidential cases in Indiana courts that use the Odyssey case management system.
Re Jacola --> Deception Indicated. Transcripts here: http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/04/thugs-in-court.html
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What did Davey do on Monday, November 9, 2015?
Who did he meet with?
Hey, Davey, Jalen is talking!
Treley Kidd
August 26 at 10:43am ·
Just got off the phone with cuz !
Free Dloc G
Mani MackinTosh What bro talkin bout?
Treley Kidd Not shit . He sposed get out seg soon. He sick watt telling 🤦🏽♂️
Mani MackinTosh Damn that's hurt 🤦🏾♂️
Treley Kidd Helly hurt 😩
Rell Montana-Davis I been knew that nigga was snitching we was gone knock his head off he wouldn't jump in the hall
W.H. Yakkavetti Who snitchin? Jalen Watson?
Rell Montana-Davis Yes sir they been knew that tho
W.H. Yakkavetti Yep. I been done told mfs he was snitching when he snitched on Lil Jamin
Thanks Anon for the Treley posts. I think a screen shot would be good. And can someone please translate what he is saying?
He is saying that Diano was in segregation for some type of misbehavior. He said that he talked to Diano and that Diano was upset that Jalen was snitching. One of Treley's friends said that they were going to hurt Jalen but "he wouldn't jump in the hall". The freind said that they knew Jalen was snitching and that he had alrady snitched on someone named "Lil Jamin".
His other post talks about Jalen and Diano being offered 20 years but would only have to do 15 years. But they both refused. it also says "they" don't want to hit Diano with murder so they are going to try Larry first and then try Diano on burglary charges. The friend thinks that because Diano is a repeat offender, he will get a lot of time.
I guess that explains the solitary confinement. Very interesting. Who is he snitching on??
Anon at 6:11, I don't know how to post a screen shot.
Who? Well, not Davey. Surprise, surprise.
It's unraveling, anon at 7:25. Get some popcorn as it's about to get very interesting.
Unraveling.....but not the way you assume.
Unraveling for who ? Time will tell.
This information might cast a pall on crossfit boy's current trip away from home. Worrying about who is saying what about him and about what happened those mornings. At least while he's away from home, he can be a Blackburn who doesn't have to worry about being embarrassed if Weston pees. I guess that's all on Meg now (of Ashley or whoever is watching Weston and taking him to the Orchard elite preschool while Davey plays.
Amanda would be crushed if she knew that Davey is disparaging Weston, belittling him, ridiculing him by telling the world that he pees on himself. What an unsupportive ass of a "daddy" he is. Not the type that any boy wants to grow up to be like - whatever that stupid preschool sign said, weston didn't say that.
Well, he didn't say outright that he wanted to be like daddy without a ton of prompting - just like he didn't sing happy birthday to mommy on the beach in Michigan without a ton of prompting.
From Datalounge:
"The morning it happened, I was a bit stunned that it occurred where it did. It became even more interesting when the young men were arrested. The neighborhood is a destination location. No through streets. No restaurants, No shopping. Completely residential. It is not a real easy place to find unless you know where you are going. Lots of curving streets and dead ends. It never seemed to me like a random place that burglars would stumble onto. It is so far from where the defendants lived and the areas where they usually committed crimes. Two police officers with take-home marked cars are often parked in nearby driveways. "
More from Datalounge:
"No, I did not know them, but they lived very close to friends of mine. One of the friends is a police officer.Early on, I asked them if the neighborhood was frightened. Everyone said "no" because they didn't think it was random. Initially, everyone thought the husband did it. Since the arrests of the gang members, many still don't think that is the whole story--and the whole story involves the pastor.
I was at a fundraiser last week and talked to a homicide detective who is really very competent. The police talk fairly openly to me as I was a criminal judge for many years, and they trust me. I asked the detective why none of the cases had yet gone to trial He simply said, "We're not done yet.
Davey's "church" is really a store front in a heavily traveled business and shopping. district. While their home is in a nice neighborhood, it is one of the lower end ones for that area. I don't think they were living the high life and I think her life insurance is a big part of the story. Indianapolis is a very reasonble place to live in terms of finances. With a decent salary, he should have been able to afford a nanny, etc without that huge payout.
The defendants' gang is really an east side entity. They were really way out of their territory. Timing was not usual for them either."
......and if Davey is involved, I would be the first to applaud his arrest.
My point is and always had been the "evidence" used by you sleuths and repeated daily as if it is proof. It isn't. What you use here is not the proof or evidence that will get him arrested. It's merely confirmation in your own minds of your favorite theories.
Anon, I meant just get a picture of it. Bull has posted sensitive things like that in the past and they then just disappear. Is this Treley (?) guy involved and afraid of what Jalen is snitching about? Is he the one who was connected to Davey on FB?
A. Bull is also pissed that Watson is talking.
Mani MackinTosh August 24 at 8:43am · Las Vegas, NV ·
This nigga lil watt is too federal 😭🤦🏾♂️
Vanessa Rae Ross Lmao what he do bro ?
Mani MackinTosh 👮🏾🚨
Alonzo Duguoise Bull 🤦♂️
From Amber on FB:
https://www.facebook.com/amber.b.wilkinson
"Oh Weston James, you've got a MIGHTY God on your side - watching over you, protecting you, and grooming you for GREAT things! I'm so thankful you have a Dad that will be by your side to point you towards Jesus and document every milestone in your life so that you NEVER EVER forget how faithful God has been. Your mommy is so proud of you both - and so is your entire family. We love you more than you know."
She is sharing Davey's blog and pic of Weston (you know the one where Davey/Megs write that Weston wants to grow up to be just like Davey) Is Amber seeing and reading the same things we are? "I'm so thankful you have a Dad that will be by your side to point you towards Jesus and document every milestone in your life so that you NEVER EVER forget how faithful God has been." WHAT? Is she reading the same blog I am? I just don't get it. Does she not care that he never mentions Amanda and how much she would have loved to be there? That he is making fun of Weston? That Weston is super anxious and stressed out and it is resulting in wetting himself 3 times in an hour? That he preached about how much Weston embarrassed him on the meet the teacher day? It is like that whole family has their heads buried in the sand. I guess if Phil will let Davey get up in his church and call his church so spiritually dead that Amanda had to die to revive them, they will allow him to say and do anything. SMH
And if they're pissed he's talking, what does that mean? Is that proof of their involvement? Davey's involvement? Either way, that's not too bright of them to publicly air it, would you think?
Yes, why are they so upset and what is he trying to say? It appears Bull post already disappeared. Did you screenshot it? It amazes me the things they post on FB.
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2017/08/
Words from Crazy Davey
"one of the things I’ve recognized in this whole equation is that, the guys that killed Amanda are not my enemy, which is why you get to step into forgiveness, because you recognize the real enemy is not them. The real enemy is evil that, that has, taken over"
"The lord told me Davey sometimes I have to empty your cup before I can fill it back up"
Translation: Evil did this, not the thugs. Davey's cup had to be emptied before it was filled back up. The only way Davey was going to have success and influence is if Amanda was gone and he started all over with a new story. A little evil was allowed in for the bigger picture. Amanda is in heaven and now Davey has a platform. It's all good. It worked out ok for everyone!
Anon at 11;20, it means that there is more to this story than the thugs randomly picking Amanda's house and then Taylor murdering her because she tried to scratch him. LE already had witness corroboration to this "story". They wouldn't need Watson to verify it, and if Watson did want to verify this version of events, it wouldn't involve Alonzo or Treley or any of the other gang members so no worry. Taylor wasn't really in the gang.
I think Watson is going to say that they were sent there to murder Amanda (or just rob the place if Amanda was already shot) and that Alonzo Bull (and others?) sent them there and directed the whole thing. If he knows who paid Alonzo to do this (and chances are good that he does), then he will spill that. Bull is going down and the only way to save himself from life without parole is to give up the person that paid for the hit. Juries may hate gangbangers but they hate men who arrange murders on their All-American pregnant wives even more.
How is Davey's vacation going?
IMO, Amber is possibly complicit in failing to call for help for a suffering, dying Amanda on 11/9/15.
Q: Are pastors groomed, or called?
Davey has aged about 10 years. This news should put a few more years on his tanned forehead. Will we finally see a hair fall out of place?
Who bought the Chevy Cruze that was gifted to Amanda? Where did the money come from?
Davey preaching at his parents church a few weeks ago. At the 13;30 mark, he talks about finding Amanda and thinking something had gone wrong with the pregnancy and then he called paramedics and also later thinking about ending his own life:
http://nextchurchnc.net/listen
I listened to the sermon at his father's Next church. He sounds manic at the beginning. There isn't much new in the sermon, except he prays to have Propensities and Proclivities submit to God or something. He says both words at least twice. Pray away the gay?...
Beating the dead hose here...feel free to roll and scroll
Not "evidence" by any stretch (LOL), just an observation. Resonate Church "Owners" and members must be a very spiritually immature and ignorant group of people, particularly the Barretts, The Woolevers, Meg, and the Arnolds.
Davey Blackburn's "reasoning" and story line is that Amanda died so that the Church might live, making him a modern day Ezekiel (Davey has quoted Ezekiel 24:15-27 as "proof" to further his story and his reason for not mourning Amanda). Anyone with a Bible and any intelligence can read that passage and see that God is speaking of Israel, not "the Church" (because there was no Church in the Old Testament)- it can't be a "word" for Resonate Church. Interestingly enough, at that point in history, Israel has prided itself on its glorious Temple (the actual building)...just as Davey had spent his time, energy, the family finances, blood, sweat, and tears on his efforts to build Resonate for bragging rights in mega-church world...both totally missing God and his heart for humanity in the process.
Israel's object of affection was the Temple; Davey's was and is Resonate. For this passage and prophecy to fit Davey Blackburn and Amanda, then "Resonators" are utterly unfaithful to God in their hearts and affections, wanting to build/maintain/grow/promote Resonate. Therefore, God will destroy Resonate Church as well as them (Ezekiel 24: 21, 25).
Can Resonate's Leadership team and "owners" not realize how badly Davey Blackburn's story/explanation of events slams their individual personal relationships with God? How about the group's relationship with God and their motivation? For Davey's "word from God" to be true, Resonate Church is the object of their affections and the desire of their hearts...not God.
Here's a partial transcript. I didn't bother transcribing all the stuff he's repeated from earlier sermons.
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2017/09/8202017-next-church-brevard-podcast.html
He drops a pronoun before "called the paramedics." Of course, we knew that he was likely busy perfecting the staging and arranging Kenneth's alibi tweet.
He now says he was shaking and shivering Weston in the emergency room. What, in the context (of a talented communicator), does "shivering" a baby mean?
Donae Mitchell
13 mins ·
"If you ask me have I seen shit I won't tell nobody. And I got a couple secrets that I won't tell nobody.
Thou shall fear no evil and never trust nobody, but always ride for yo people 🤙🏽 And never trust nobody 😈"
Donae probably has much to tell about the Amanda Blackburn case. She's 20 years old with 2 children and
a man named Alonzo Bull who comes and goes. She goes from being broke and homeless to decorating a
new space. She advertises for FB friends who want to make a fast $300 with nothing but an I.D. Some days she's
super religious and can't wait to get to church services; others she's talking such filth it will make you blush.
One day she's going to be in a situation where she will feel less loyal to "yo people" and tell all she knows.
That must make some people really nervous.
Don't forget these posts by Donae right after Amanda's murder. A new house and title (to a new car, presumably):
Donae Mitchell was feeling thankful.
November 26, 2015 ·
I don't think anyone really knows what I've been through but I am so grateful for everyday of my life the good and the bad. I am happy to say that yes I've been through some things but I've overcome them all. And God has gave me some of the best blessings, my beautiful son, a man who's changed for better and for me who is also God-fearing and loves me flaws and all, a new home, food, clothes, my amazing support system and so much more. I'm happy y'all. Wish all my loved ones who couldn't make it here with us today a Happy Thanksgiving
Donae Mitchell
December 18, 2015 ·
I don't know why I let my emotions take over me, I serve an amazing God he has my back fr. I got what I needed done and my title came today 😁 🙌🏽 🙏🏼 👏🏽 I'm talking bout he really good y'all! I need to smoke and calm my nerves 😌 Damn G, breathe 😇
"And so, ( ) called the paramedics. We get her to the hospital, and I sat in the hospital waiting room holding Weston, just shaking and shivering him; shivering and telling him that, everything’s going to be OK, buddy. Everything’s going to be OK. Everything’s going to be OK."
Was Weston shaking in fear? Or was Davey?
Examples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZLaRYX8WCM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSFnmM12LOQ
This article says that normally a parent will stay calm just to calm their child, even when they have also been subjected to a traumatic experience.
Was Weston calm, as he had cooed in him room with the door shut - and Davey a mess of tremors?
Davey saying "Everything's going to be OK" repeatedly sounds like he was trying to calm Weston down in the waiting room - which would be expected of a parent comforting a terrified child.
Was Weston calm UNTIL Davey grabbed him and drove to the hospital, feeling the most out of control he ever felt in his life?
Or was he in terrified tremors because of what he witnessed?
http://www.health24.com/Mental-Health/Disorders/Tremor-vs-trauma-20120721
"Or was he in terrified tremors because of what he witnessed?"
And?
Well, there has to be a basis in fact for why the police would put it out there that Amanda died 'defending her baby'.
If Weston was observed shivering and shaking at the hospital, he no doubt would have been checked over - maybe he was, anyway, just to be sure he was okay, as it was such a brutal crime scene. I found an early news report in which police said, early on, that they were very concerned at the brutality of the crime - it was very brutal. Also, maybe the same report. It was said that the police had reassured neighbours that they need not worry about similar crimes occurring. When they say that, it usually means they are confident the crime was a domestic incident.
Davey reassured Weston in his 'guilt-trip your son' alibi blog that Amanda died doing what she had to do to save him, or words to that effect.
Davey has expressed anxiety in relation to what Weston might have been able to communicate through sign language. He is probably off the anxiety scale now that Weston has started pre-school, and control has slipped out of 'his grip'. If he can't articulate or recall being fifteen months old, at least he can remember yesterday...
Davey is generally loud, aggressive in tone, eager to explain and interpret Weston - it's easy to imagine that Weston often feels intimidated by Davey. Davey said he was teaching him, at sixteen months old, to smash things (doors) and to be destructive because that's what boys do. I think he was attempting to explain away Weston playing out (reliving), things he had seen at home, which playing out was noticed by the person/s with whom they were staying. It was shortly after Amanda was murdered.
Also, he said Weston loves Nemo, because it reminds him of what happened. I've still not seen Nemo, but as I recall, Davey said monsters come and the mummy Nemo dies, and then just baby and daddy Nemo are left? We won't could not remember or be reminded of that if he was asleep in his crib, upstairs.
In the audio Bobcat linked from Davey speaking at his father's church, Davey says he exaggerates a lot in his preaching, as pastors tend
to do, for effect. That can be so, but Weston being reminded of something he did not witness is not merely an exaggeration for effect - at least not to my understanding. It seems to have been Davey's perception of Weston's reality - though why Davey would interpret Weston as loving that film BECAUSE it reminded him that his mother was gone, and it was just him and daddy - well, what is that? And did Weston witness Amanda's murder?
Also, it's another new part of the story - told in his father's church, in the presence of the truth-bringer, Jono. Davey probably mentioned the shivering and shaking because it was pertinent to Jono, or to someone else present. Maybe he thought he had better say something a bit nearer the truth about how things actually were that morning at the hospital - well, Jono might be tempted to write another blog, detailing further observations. Nothing has been said about Weston, besides that he was recovered from the home by the police, and that he had been asleep in his crib, upstairs - in later versions, he was cooing from behind the still shut nursery door.
It does sound as if Davey was trying to calm Weston. A parent would/should be able to remain calm in any type of emergency - but as Davey claims he can't deal with the sight of blood, (and there, he said, was his worst nightmare sitting on the living room floor - Amanda was not sitting), he might have been in a panicky state. Well, if his reaction to Weston wetting himself is anything to go by - imagine how he would have been to not only see all that blood, but also to find Weston covered in blood - if he did - and no Amanda to clean him up.
While it seems reasonable, to me and to Bobcat, at least, maybe some others, to suspect that Weston was sitting besides Amanda - could it be that 'sitting' there could rather indicate that Davey had put Amanda there, or caused her to be there? If personifying an inanimate object (which whilst technically not such, Amanda by then was akin to an inanimate object) is indicative of the person doing the personifying having placed the item referred to - might that suggest Davey had 'put' Amanda on the sitting room floor, rather than that he had discovered Weston sitting on the living room floor?
What does 'sitting' there mean? What is it most likely to mean? I am almost convinced it means Weston - taken with 'blood smeared everywhere' and Amber's slip in saying in a FB post that she heard the sound of 'little footprints' rather than 'footsteps' on the stairs, that Weston was wandering round the crime scene. 'Smearing' is a deliberate-type action more associated with babies and young children than adults. Does a beaten and shot person often, or even sometimes, 'smear' blood everywhere?
A thing is, Davey only said that he noticed some things were out of place. It was months later, I believe after more info from the police (?) that he added there was 'blood smeared everywhere'. It took a long time for him to say that. I think he cleaned it up, which is why he did not mention it - it was not intended that 'blood smeared everywhere' should be known, but forensics uncovered it, and he had to add it to the story.
Now he's adding shaking and shivering Weston - for some reason, it's become necessary to add it.
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/09/9112016-what-happens-when-you-die-week.html
4:20
Question: What scripture or song did you cling to, to get through the loss of Amanda?
James Byars: Um, when we found out about Amanda we were in California, um, in the middle of the mountains in Yosemite, which is a gorgeous place. And, uh, we found out, ( ) changed our flights and we had a four hour drive to the airport, um, with a bunch of unknowns.
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Were the return flights already scheduled?
Known To Cheat?...
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Amber: "I told her I always win everything, but she made me promise to drive the speed limit so that I didn't cheat!"
https://www.facebook.com/amber.b.wilkinson/posts/10210780224523463
Robin: "He was in front of me, and I was supposed to, like, follow, suit, and not cheat."
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2017/05/22017-faith-biblical-counseling.html
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Amber regarding Amanda:
"She never lets what others think of her influence her decision-making."
"She does the right thing. Always."
"I TOLD HER I ALWAYS WIN EVERYTHING."
"I wanted to BE like her in every way. And I still do."
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HJ,
Going back in time, I suspect that Amber was heavily influenced by her grandparents Jim and Bobbi Cook. "Evangelist" Jim Cook preaches like as a traveling gun-waving wild-man (Robin was raised in this) showman who can cry on demand, like Jimmy Swaggart. There are a few podcasts of him out there if you are interested. He is (still) affiliated with some sleazoids who have been banned from operating girls' schools, yet still own property that operate small "christian" schools.
I suspect that Amber's biggest dream was to be a Pastor's wife. How dare Amanda want out of her picture perfect marriage to the dreamy brother-in-law and Pastor son-in-law (since James didn't carry the family torch...)!
Anyway, it is interesting that Amber uses activities at Jim & Bobbi Cook's house as an alibi for whatever happened on Monday the 9th. It's also revealing that Davey seemed really uncomfortable staying at the Cook's (he refuses to identify who he's staying with until he moves in with Derek and Ashley) in the first few months after Amanda's death.
Evangelist Jim Cook Podcasts:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj67dGHqPnVAhUh5IMKHbAaAOwQFghIMAY&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mixcloud.com%2Fabconlinesermons%2Fqualities-of-a-good-servant-of-god-evangelist-jim-cook-8312016%2F&usg=AFQjCNHS7hUA3bvFGue9zSQV_cjIcWahsQ
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj67dGHqPnVAhUh5IMKHbAaAOwQFghOMAc&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mixcloud.com%2Fabconlinesermons%2Ftwo-men-evangelist-jim-cook-5062016-pm%2F&usg=AFQjCNEFNDnlJJJoTqqSulbJNxyiRcxA0g
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1996-09-07/news/9609060893_1_worship-service-church-music-evangelist
James Byars: Um, when we found out about Amanda we were in California, um, in the middle of the mountains in Yosemite, which is a gorgeous place. And, uh, we found out, ( ) changed our flights and we had a four hour drive to the airport, um, with a bunch of unknowns.
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Were the return flights already scheduled?
IF they changed their flights after "finding out" about Amanda, why not change the destination to fly into Indy so they could get to her as fast as possible - instead of flying info wherever they did and then having to drive down (according to Jono) ?
Four hour drive FROM Yosemite to the airport in California - then the flight to Chicago or Grand Rapids or wherever (with connection?) - the the drive down to Indy mentioned by Jono ....
It makes no sense if flying in for an emergency that they wouldn't fly into Indy - unless absolutely no seats available?
What mystifies me more - is that Amber says she got a text from Amanda at 1:30pm (?) on the day she was flying (Sunday November 8th) saying SISTER, what time do you fly in, I'm coming to pick you up - would Amber have already been in the air at the time she said she got a text ? Flying from California and If she landed in the afternoon as it sounds she did, yes she would have been - unless she got the text during a connection.
I know there is internet access in flight as well - but - if the grandparents were going to pick up Amber and Rowen and then Amanda decided to pick them up instead - but didn't know what time Amber's flight was landing, wouldn't she have just asked the grandparents what time she was landing (at the time she told them she'd go to the airport so they wouldn't go too ?)
Amber's stories and renditions do not ring true to me (either).
When did Amanda call Meg Jezebel?
I think the Jezebel comment was Amanda naming a spider that Meg had photographed
AmandaGrace
8/2/2013
@AmandaGrace
@MegsGriff kill. Jezebel.
AmandaGrace @AmandaGrace 2 Aug 2013
@MegsGriff kill. Jezebel.
10:56 AM - 2 Aug 2013 · Details
(Also this)
Megs @MegsGriff
@MegsGriff's account is protected.
AmandaGrace @AmandaGrace 22 Nov 2013
@MegsGriff that is a very false statement!
^. Copied and pasted from a comment on an earlier Blackburn post. I don't think much can be made of those without their context - the first one is very strange. It was variously suggested both were private jokes, and that the second was a polite way of calling out a lie? I don't know how likely it is Amanda would have private jokes with Meg - maybe, maybe not - did she feel a need to be friends with Meg? I'd say that is a very public private joke, if that is what it is, It might have been inviting speculation on Amanda's view of Meg - or not - no context. Image was important to Amanda, would she be likely to make that tweet if it were not intended as a joke?
Can you trace back to what was happening in all their lives at that time? Even if something unpleasant was going on it likely would not appear on social media (image). It's a long way to go back through social media accounts, and Meg's is private anyway, could be a joke, or a cryptic type reaction - to what, though? I don't think we can know.
Sounds feasible, Anon. Why Jezebel, though, of a spider?
That might be interesting - who named the spider Jezebel?
Where are all the psychologists when you might need them?
Oh, I see, Amanda named the spider Jezebel. That could be interesting, to a psychologist. I am not a psychologist. It's still interesting.
Are there any links to the spider photograph? Had it spun an impressive web?
Megs @MegsGriff 2 Aug 2013
This giant lady lives right outside my Dad's house. I've named her Jezebel. http://instagram.com/p/chLRtbOH9V/
AmandaGrace @AmandaGrace
Replying to @MegsGriff
@MegsGriff kill. Jezebel.
10:56 AM - 2 Aug 2013
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Megs @MegsGriff 22 Nov 2013
7 days from today ... The Christmas season begins!!! #HollyJolly #theMostWonderfulTimeOfTheYear 🎅🎄🎁🎅🎄🎁
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AmandaGrace @AmandaGrace
Replying to @MegsGriff
@MegsGriff that is a very false statement!
8:22 PM - 22 Nov 2013
Megs named the Spider Jezebel.
Might be of interest:
The Joke's On Who?
'Many believe, as the saying goes, “There is a grain of truth in every joke”, or that “a joke is truth wrapped in a smile.” Sigmund Freud suggested that jokes were true, serving two purposes: aggression (such as sarcasm) or to expose unconscious desires (the sexual joke). But is there really truth in every joke? The purpose of this post will be to explore whether or not there is.
Freud certainly had a point; many jokes are hostile, and may indicate the teller’s true feelings. This can be seen in ethnic, racial, or other prejudicial jokes. Sarcasm provides another example of jokes intimating a person’s true feelings. Sarcasm is laced with truth and indicates an underlying anger or hostility that seeks escape. Even self-deprecation done in a joking manner may indicate a poor self-image, or an attempt at humbling an otherwise overconfident persona.'
Full version here:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-second-noble-truth/201302/the-jokes-who
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In the biblical story, Jezebel became associated with false prophets.
Wow, that is a pretty spider. Well, if you like that sort of thing.
So, still interesting - but still where are the psychologists when you need them?
Anyone who is competent to comment on Meg's spider post, and Amanda's response to it? Well, she didn't have to make a comment, yet she chose to. Quite stilted.
'kill. Jezebel.'
I like that full stop.
Makes me think - You go, Amanda. Pity someone didn't say that to her at the time.
When Davey went to North Carolina, Jono came too from Alabama. I am curious if Jono has doubts about Davey. He seems the most logical one of the group.
Has anyone been keeping up with the discussion of Datalounge? There is a retired judge from Indy in the discussion. He said that he has friends that live close to where Davey and Amanda lived and that no one was worried about being targeted next because everyone knew it was not random. He also said (or someone on the thread) that the judge purposefully didn't take Davey off the do not call list because they thought maybe the thugs would contact him. He said that an investigator friend of this said that they were not done in regard to this case. It seems from Indy posters on here and some on that thread, that many locals just assume Amanda was targeted. Davey must have some uncomfortable encounters around town.
Second one looks to be a joke - Amanda decorated so early for Christmas,
Bingo - he does, there was that sermon where he alluded to it, not sure if he termed some locals as 'haters' or 'hostile' - something - he was aware not everyone he encounters believes him.
I'm going to look up Jezebel references now.
Is it a thing to name spiders? IDK, because I have never named a 🕷 spider. Never. I have not ever named a spider. I don't think, so I don't know why there is a 'never' there. To my recollection, I have never named a spider. Except as horrible, huge or gigantic, which is to describe rather than name.
Actually, there is 'Insy Winsy Spider, climbing up the spout, down came the rain and washed poor Insy out'. So I have put a name to a spider, even if not a real one. Is that where the 'never' comes from? Lol.
^ And I should add 'pretty' to the ways in which I have described spiders. It is pretty - we have large house spiders here, which are fast, noisy and not pretty.
Anon @ 10.19.
Excerpt:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jezebel
According to Geoffrey Bromiley, the depiction of Jezebel as "the incarnation of Canaanite cultic and political practices, detested by Israelite prophets and loyalists, has given her a literary life far beyond the existence of a ninth-century Tyrian princess."[7]
Through the centuries, the name Jezebel came to be associated with false prophets. By the early 20th century, it was also associated with fallen or abandoned women.[15] In Christian lore, a comparison to Jezebel suggested that a person was a pagan or an apostate masquerading as a servant of God. By manipulation and/or seduction, she misled the saints of God into sins of idolatry and sexual immorality.[16] In particular, Christians associated Jezebel with promiscuity. In the Medieval period, the chronicler Matthew Paris criticised the wife of King John, Isabella of Angouleme, by claiming that she was 'more Jezebel than Isabel.'[17] In modern usage, the name of Jezebel is sometimes used as a synonym for sexually promiscuous and/or controlling women,[18] especially as a racist stereotype of Black women, the Jezebel stereotype.[19]
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Well, IDK. She wasn't only associated with false prophets. That's a lot to put on a spider, methinks.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/107078-jezebel-spirit.html
Is this the take that mega-pastor and mega-church congregations have on Jezebel? One of the comments seems to believe so. I haven't heard Davey speak about Jezebel or a Jezebel spirit, as I recall.
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I think I am being something of a wind-up now - but I do find it interesting that Meg named her father's spider Jezebel and that someone has the old photo, and tweets to hand to explain Amanda's comment; the comment remains strange, and interesting, IMO, in that Amanda chose to comment on the spider named Jezebel, and in that way.
I am wondering what or who did the spider represent to Meg, that she named it Jezebel. Did it need to represent anything or anyone? Am I making too much of this? Did she just find it a pretty spider, a painted lady, a 'Jezebel' amongst lesser looking spiders? Maybe - even if her reasoning remains unknown, if even there was any, Amanda's response Is intriguing. Why the full stop? kill. Jezebel. The spider wasn't doing any harm to anyone, it was just living in Meg's father's porch.
Romans 12:19
Bobcat, I have listened to the first of the two Jim Cook, Amber, James, Amanda's grandfather, Robin's father, podcasts you posted - talk about interminable. I think it was not so bad, quite funny when he said he had always had a fetish for leather, and he was a shoe salesman in his youth, he dreamed of selling shoes, sometimes sold seventy pairs in a night - in his dreams. I admit I lost concentration towards the end, it went on so long - I think if a preacher can't say what he intends to say in seven minutes then he likes the sound of his voice too much. Old fashioned guy, old fashioned values, has a conscience need to put himself above women. I didn't find much to fault, not given his age, culture and his particular faith tradition. I think you probably wouldn't want to spend too much time with him - not unless you particularly wanted to become a sermon illustration. I think it would not have been greatest fun to have Jim as a grandfather, or as a father - must have been very restrictive. I don't care for his tone or his boasting, but I don't need to - I expect Davey would find him difficult, especially if he talks quite that much all of the time, and asked unwelcome questions - any questions would likely have been unwelcome, unless posed before a camera by a tv presenter. .
^^ 'Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord.'
Romans 12:19.
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O God the Father of heaven:
have mercy upon us miserable sinners.
All
O God the Father of heaven:
have mercy upon us miserable sinners.
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Remember not, Lord, our offences,
nor the offences of our forefathers;
neither take thou vengeance of our sins:
spare us, good Lord, spare thy people,
whom thou hast redeemed with thy most precious blood,
and be not angry with us for ever.
All
Spare us, good Lord.
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^ From The Litany
https://www.churchofengland.org/prayer-worship/worship/texts/psalter,-collects-and-other-resources/litprayr/litanybcp.aspx
"In that moment I imagined, somewhat involuntarily, her kneeling on the floor and looking up to see her Savior standing in the spot where I now stood,"
I was looking back at the crazy blog where Davey is standing on the balcony looking down at the crime scene. Why does he have Amanda kneeling and looking up at Jesus? When Davey walked into the scene, Amanda was on her face in a pool of blood (as Davey so loves to remind us) so why does he have her kneeling looking at Jesus standing in the exact spot where Davey is standing? Did he have her tortured why he watched from the balcony? Was she on her knees looking up at Davey before she was shot executions style and finished off? This blog is crazy. I sure wish Peter would analyze it. Davey puts himself looking down at the crime scene. He also stands where Jesus told him (probably in the shower) he stood while he watched Amanda die. Jesus also reminded Davey that death is precious.
http://daveyblackburn.com/posts/how-do-you-deal-with-the-way-amanda-died-part-3
From that blog post, Bingo - here it seeems pretty evident Davey is trying to justify why he didn't notice that beaten Amanda, with her teeth knocked out, laying semi-naked in a pool of blood, had been the victim of a brutal crime:
'....James, the half-brother of Jesus, tells us to count it all joy when we endure trials and suffer for the sake of Christ (James 1:2).
James, of all people, had the credibility to write this. You see James is one of countless Christians who suffered terrible, horrific, hellish deaths at the hands of evil men simply because they followed Jesus unswervingly. These people are called martyrs. During the Protestant Reformation a historian named John Foxe wrote a book chronicling the bravery of such men and women. He notes that each of these men and women demonstrated magnificent bravery in the face of torture and death.
The very first Christian martyr was a guy named Stephen. You can read his story in Acts 6 and 7. When we first encounter Stephen we only know a few things about him. (1) He was a man of good reputation, (2) he radiated with the love and power of the Holy Spirit, and (3) he was very wise. He stepped up and volunteered to serve the early Church by helping with the distribution of food for the needy. Shortly after Amanda went to Heaven, I read Stephen’s story and was amazed at how much his description reminded me of Amanda (perhaps this is the reason he came to mind again while I stood on that balcony that morning).
One day this simple, humble servant of Christ becomes filled with “grace and power and [begins] doing great wonders and signs among the people” (Acts 6:8). The religious leaders grew so angry with him they argued with him. The dispute grew to such a raucous, they maliciously drug him out of the city and began throwing stones at him to kill him as well.
Now, one of the things that strikes me about the account of Stephen is that it is written by the same guy who wrote the book of Luke - Luke the historian and physician. Luke was known to be a very descriptive narrator, particularly when it came to anatomy. But for some reason he doesn’t go into much description of the brutality of Stephen’s death. In fact the way Luke writes, it seems to be a peaceful scene covered in Jesus’ protection, hardly any mention of brutality, even though we know it must have been gruesome:'
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Davey claimed he did not realise there had been a brutal attack upon Amanda, because God's grace allegedly protected him from such knowledge, at least until he got to the hospital.
Amanda did not die fighting for her faith. She was inside her home waking up on a "normal" Tuesday morning. He is such a manipulative, disturbed individual for saying/writing such a thing. I can't believe anyone allows him to speak, especially Christians.
Davey's current situation is a John Mayer concert with two other men. He writes on the Instastory "Bromance".
I just watched An American Monster. This guy who killed his wife did a slide show at her funeral and he was in every picture. He was also very controlling about the funeral, even down to where everyone sat. The family became suspicious of him at this point. Sound familiar? All of the pics at the funeral included Davey, even putting himself in the obituary picture and funeral program. He also advertised his position and church in the obituary. He was also the control thing of telling people what they should wear to the funeral.
What happened on 11/8/15?
What happened on 11/9/15?
What happened to the Chevy Cruze?
".......every picture. He was also very controlling about the funeral, even down to where everyone sat. The family became suspicious of him at this point. Sound familiar? All of the pics at the funeral included Davey, even putting....."
"The family" has not become suspicious of him.
Amber:
"Did it have to be in her home, in front of Weston (37:39). I mean I know he was upstairs but did Weston have to be there? Um, I, the, ugh! I hate the fact that she was pregnant. It, like. I just remember thinking, if you knew - God knew - um, she was going t-, this was gonna happen, why did you even let them get pregnant?"
Slip #1
"in front of Weston"
Oops, I mean...
"he was upstairs"
Slip #2
"if you knew..."
Oops, I mean...
"God knew"
...this was going to happen...
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2017/07/52017-nothing-is-wasted-podcast-parts-1.html
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What happened on 11/8/15?
What happened on 11/9/15?
What happened to the Chevy Cruze?
I meant that the family of the American Monster guy became suspicious of him when he put only pics up that included him and was controlling of the funeral. Amanda's family should have been suspicious of Davey way before the funeral, you know with the gun sermon, starting his own GoFundMe page the day she was shot, telling everyone she had a head wound when it was obvious she had been beaten unrecognizable (later telling all he thought it was a miscarriage) writing, tweeting #nothingiswasted (future name of his book) as Amanda was being hooked up to machines, writing that selfish, self-promoting statement, changing the Resonate statement to include him being at the gym while it happened, not checking on Weston until the paramedics arrived (because he knew he wasn't targeted). All of this before the funeral should have sent red flags a flying to any normal family.
I meant that the family of the American Monster guy became suspicious of him when he put only pics up that included him and was controlling of the funeral. Amanda's family should have been suspicious of Davey way before the funeral, you know with the gun sermon, starting his own GoFundMe page the day she was shot, telling everyone she had a head wound when it was obvious she had been beaten unrecognizable (later telling all he thought it was a miscarriage) writing, tweeting #nothingiswasted (future name of his book) as Amanda was being hooked up to machines, writing that selfish, self-promoting statement, changing the Resonate statement to include him being at the gym while it happened, not checking on Weston until the paramedics arrived (because he knew he wasn't targeted). All of this before the funeral should have sent red flags a flying to any normal family.
I will say that I just watched a true life crime show about a good-looking, successful, hockey player that arranged for his wife's murder. He was playing cards with friends when it happened. He hired a black ex-employee and he used other people's phones to communicate with the guy. Her relatives refused for the longest time to believe it was him, even with solid evidence. They just couldn't picture her husband and the father of two little kids (who were home when this happened) to have any reason to do this (insurance money). Even the niece of the wife (she looked to be about 20 - cute blonde), who had worked for the husband and whom the husband confided in that he had slept with other women, couldn't believe he was capable of murder. I think for her family, it was like two deaths.
Was the Cruze destroyed because it was full of blood evidence?
Someone posted on Datalounge that part of the reason that Davey and Amanda left New Spring when he did was because of homosexual temptations, according to Davey's neighbors. Not sure how this was known or if true but would not surprise me. Why come to Indy? The turn the city upside down thing just doesn't fly. Indy has as many churches as the deep south. They did not need another church. Indy is closer to Amanda's family and far away from possible temptation at least until for a while/. The whole Perry thing and the fact part of the reason he was fired was his posture toward marriage. Someone also said on Datalounge that the church's keep secrets even better than gang members. This is def true. I have seen it first hand.
Pointed questions about 11/9/15 and the Chevy Cruze = wordy derailment posts.
I don't think anyone is trying to post derailment posts, some just have interests in other arenas of this case and what led to such a tragic event. I don't think we know what happened to the Chevy Cruse? I assumed Davey pulled a Scott Petterson and sold Amanda's car as quickly as he could. He most likely sold both of his cars so he could get run out and get his fancy new car. Was it ever seen again in any of the post crime pics? I just don't know.
It is indeed very interesting that the long posts appear after questions about 11/8, 11/9 and the Chevy Cruze.
DataLounge thread is active and its posters believe Davey is reading and posting there. I believe he reads and posts here as well, or has someone post for him. The pressure is on - the thugs are talking - the vacation is over.
An anonymous poster from many pages ago claimed "not to be Davey and you can tell because Peter can look up my IP address and it won't be anywhere near Indianapolis" (not exact words) -- as if someone who (proudly I might add) said he knows how to get around internet monitoring sites / porn filters wouldn't know how to use a proxy and/or VPN to hide his location. Please.
Davey's story that he thought something had gone wrong with Amanda's pregnancy continues to STILL be repeated, most recently at NextChurch - and the more it's repeated in the light of Jono's description of Amanda's appearance to him in the hospital and the description of the house and scene that morning in the Affidavit of Probable Cause, the more ridiculous it sounds.
There are enough people who aren't going to let this story go, who want to know what really happened "in front of Weston" - who know there's no way Davey honestly thought this was a miscarriage - to keep the discussion going.
Amber's two "oh shit what did I just say on this podcast" moments noted by Bobcat above are telling and interesting. Especially the part about why did it have to happen in front of Weston (oh shit I said that out loud) . . . I mean, I know he was upstairs, but. . .
Davey has needed to persuade from the beginning that Weston was upstairs. Amber got the memo but momentarily forgot or slipped up. Yeah, I'll write it again - we know, Davey - - Weston was still in his crib, behind the still-closed door, in his crib upstairs um, his door was completely untouched (like Davey knows nobody ever touched it, come on, for real) - softly cooing (not shivering and afraid, but soft coos) - it goes on and on.
Statement Analysis doesn't lie and like many have written, Peter pegged Mark Redwine from the beginning and it took five years for him to be arrested so this isn't even close to over yet.
The DateLounge thread talked about Mel the boxer who was conveniently locked up in a bedroom - Captain Converse mentioned the dog (and the fact that the dog had emerged from a closed bedroom) in one of the pressers. They know. They knew then already that there were far too many things that just fell so neatly into place for this supposedly random home invasion/murder to happen.
Mel was a strong dog and Amanda said she literally never left her side. . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPtaIWQ9pVw&feature=youtu.be
And to whoever upthread wrote about the chances of Weston having a mysterious accident in Davey's swimming pool - my first thought was no, he will want to keep him around. Weston is a prop - a very useful prop for Davey. For pictures of carrying flowers to Amanda and Evie's gravestone and then actually sitting on it - hanging an ornament on the Christmas tree - sitting on the stairs with a lost look in his eyes -- for videos of him singing Happy Birthday to mommy (with much prompting as to whom he was actually singing) and making handprints on papers and balloons to release into the sky - for putting him onstage at appearances and dressing in matching shoes and/or suits like Dustin Hoffman and Tom Cruise in Rainman.
But then I thought - Davey wants to be like Perry Noble or Levi Lusko and have a megachurch and a world wide ministry. . . and if Amanda's murder didn't have the same effect on Resonate as Levi Lusko's daughter's death did for his ministry, how far would Davey go to have Resonate slingshot into fame? Their webpage at one point said "we'll do whatever it takes to connect people to life change".
How desperate is Davey to have the book, the movie, his face plastered everywhere, to be the next Levi Lusko?
And now with Weston peeing in preschool and no doubt elsewhere and thus being a total embarrassment to Davey (so much that he had to blog about it AND spend time talking about the whole preschool experience in church) - this WAS a problem for "a Blackburn" to have his son peeing and having to change his cute clothes (more than once).
This is something that this person who wants to be so in control of everything cannot control and it's a problem.
Maybe there is a point where Weston will become more of a liability than an asset.
ESPECIALLY if "everything that happened only a few days earlier" to Amanda really did happen "in front of Weston" - Weston was NOT cooing in his room but sitting right in front of Davey as his worst nightmare when he walked into the living room - and Weston grows up to recall it and repeat it and talk about it.
Perhaps Davey was trying to console himself in his blog post where he said Weston never asks for Amanda and he was too young when she died to really remember her and have it affect him. Hoping that if Weston really WAS wandering around the crime scene that morning and sitting by Amanda and/or smearing blood everywhere (Amanda wouldn't have smeared it, nor would the thugs have, and Mel was locked up) - that he won't remember any of it?
What about when Weston gets old enough to Google his daddy on his iPhone and reads the millions of words written about Davey and that morning ? - when he sees the interviews - when he realizes his daddy has never said "I had nothing to do with your mom's death" or explained all of the inconsistencies in his statements?
"What will people say about him (Weston) - what will people say TO him" at the elite preschool which costs thousands of dollars to attend will be the least of Davey's worries at that point. What if his own son grows up and doesn't trust him ?
The Datalounge posters calling Davey out are hysterical. It's obviously Davey that posts over there.
Davey was propping Weston up for an insta story the other day. Davey was sipping out of straw in a seductive way IMO and Weston was licking an ice cream cone. Weston dropped a bit of the ice cream on his shirt and he looked a little scared that he was going to get in trouble. He started trying to lick it off his shirt as fast as he could. It was so sad. With Davey being the control freak that he is, I can't imagine how stressed out that little boy must be.
As far as blood evidence. Bobcat, I have always wondered where exactly is it? She was beaten to unrecognizable state and shot three times. There has not been any mention of blood on Larry's clothes. Did the witnesses that saw him walking and talking loudly on the phone see any blood on him. He would have been drenched with blood after such a horrific beating and shooting. This will be hard to prove in court and convict if there is no blood, right? Have I missed something? Are they just not writing it in the affidavit? Also, why no 911 call still? The pastor in training who butchered his young bride the other day 911 call was release immediately. Why has Davey's been withheld this long?
Davey's latest sermon includes a prayer request for Weston, and the household, as Weston has been constipated for the past eight days. Davey didn't know what to do about it, so he gave Weston some oatmeal and dropped him off at ResKids, asking the staff to help him relive himself. Well, poor kid, he's probably too anxious to empty his bladder or his bowel after the car lot incident.
"Statement Analysis doesn't lie and like many have written, Peter pegged Mark Redwine from the beginning and it took five years for him to be arrested so this isn't even close to over yet. "
People around here (who live in the area) didn't need statement analysis to suspect (fairly certainly) that Mark Redwine was involved. It took a while for LE to gather enough evidence.
Bingo asked
Also, why no 911 call still? The pastor in training who butchered his young bride the other day 911 call was release immediately. Why has Davey's been withheld this long?
If it was a cut and dried home invasion/burglary that turned bad because the homeowner encountered the invaders - then Davey comes home from the gym and sees that his wife has been assaulted and beaten and there is evidence of a struggle and that someone who doesn't belong in the house has been there and she is close to death - AND DAVEY TELLS THAT TO 911 - then there would be no reason not to release it that I can see.
The operative words being "that I can see". . .but it makes sense.
But IF during the 911 call, Davey gave no indication of a home invasion/breakin even though he told Detective Perkins that there was a Swisher Sweet package on the counter that did not belong in their residence and even though he says things were out of place that didn't look right and he was taking mental snapshots of those things. . . plus which clearly someone had inflicted Amanda's injuries - she didn't do that to herself or from a fall and Weston and Mel obviously didn't get her "in the condition she was in" either. . .
. . . and the APC states that he said his wife was injured and unconscious on the living room floor but IF he did not give any indication of the extent of her injuries - IF he actually said something on the 911 call like uh, she's twelve weeks pregnant, maybe she lost the baby, I dunno - then that would (1) be a reason to withhold the call and (2) be a reason for Crossfit boy to keep repeating the I honestly thought Amanda had a miscarriage and I had no idea anyone had been in my house stories ad infinitum.
The reason for not releasing the 911 call (and the Marion County Prosecutor's Office giving the reason that it is being withheld because it is part of an active investigation) certainly seems possible to be because it's part of an active investigation against Davey.
And I cannot wait to hear it - whether it implicates Davey or not, it is going to be so interesting. What did he say to the 911 dispatcher, after saying he was lead pastor of Resonate Church and he just walked in from the gym?
Whatever Davey said or did not say, he certainly didn't give any indication that there was a crime scene and/or that IMPD presence was needed in any way . . . obviously the 911 dispatcher got the impression from whatever he said that only medical was needed - - otherwise the 911 dispatcher wouldn't have sent a fire truck to a murder scene (credit to a poster many months ago for that line, I like it !)
Anon at 8:39pm wrote
People around here (who live in the area) didn't need statement analysis to suspect (fairly certainly) that Mark Redwine was involved. It took a while for LE to gather enough evidence.
Locals in Indy who posted comments on the national interviews and on various message boards also suspect fairly certainly that Davey either did this to Amanda himself or set it up as a hit. From day one, the overwhelming feeling has been that he did it. The prosecution only gets one shot at getting this right and securing a conviction - if it takes longer for them to gather enough evidence to have an airtight case, they will do it.
And in the meantime, we can watch the scrambling and freaking out in the form of messages posted to the various boards- and continue to watch and wait for an explanation of Davey's contradictory statements (which would be the FASTEST way to quell the discussion, yes?)
Davey, if you are reading here - or if a concerned friend of his would care to explain this to the nation, uh, even th-the world. . .
(1) why do you keep saying your first honest thought was that Amanda had lost the baby (using all of the different phrases you've used to describe that thought) - when clearly a miscarriage wouldn't cause obvious severe head trauma, bleeding from the left arm and upper back/shoulder, teeth knocked out, bruises and cuts from a beating
(2) why do you keep saying that you had no idea anyone had been in your house - when you told Detective Perkins that exact same morning at Methodist Hospital that there was a Swisher Sweet package on the counter that did not belong in your residence - when there was furniture turned over, change scattered on the landing, earbuds and duct tape and credit cards scattered on the floor around Amanda ?
We are listening !
I'd be interested to hear Jacola S and Allison B's 911 calls from the morning of November 2015, too, as well as crazy Davey's.
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Mel the dog keeps recurring as an oddity in this case. Which bedroom was she locked in? The spare one? It can't have been Amanda's because she would have let Mel out when she came downstairs in her knickers and night shirt (after hearing a noise downstairs?....all the more reason to have Mel accompany her.) Mel, herself, would have alerted Amanda that someone was in the house, if Mel was in Amanda's room.
I wonder why crazy Davey didn't feed Mel that morning, or at least let her out to do her business, or at the very least pat her, between 4:30 -6:10 am. It's been suggested that maybe crazy Davey took Mel to the gym with him that morning and left her in the car. Perhaps he was locking Mel away in the bedroom, in the minutes before he called 911 "as soon" as he could. (Did everybody read Peter's analysis about calling 911 " immediately"? It strikes me that "as soon as I could" is very similar to "I called 911 immediately".) Let's not forget it took 5 whole minutes for Davey to call 911 after getting off the phone with KW. 5 whole minutes. Perhaps Crazy Davey took Amanda's car that morning so that there would be an explanation for dog hair in the back of the car, should forensics check it out.
Mel the dog loved Amanda and Amanda said Mel was "part of the family". Why would crazy Davey abandon part of the family? Why would he do that to Weston, who has already lost the most important member of the family? Sometimes I wonder if Mel's memory or intuition causes her hackles to raise and she bares her teeth and growls at Davey whenever she sees him. That would be awkward.
Flightful @9:29
I think he's already tried to explain it by blaming God, as usual.
He has alleged that God's grace protected him from comprehending what was really going on. Ludicrous. How can even say it with a straight face. God allowed Amanda to be sexually assaulted, beaten to a pulp and shot 3 times, but in His infinite wisdom and grace, protected crazy Davey from knowing what had happened.
"Some things seemed out of place, but she was pregnant...." He says that like the salt and pepper shakers have been moved and a cushion askew. Amanda was naked from the waist down. Her underpants beside her and her shirt pulled up. Her purse and its contents were strewn around, there was change on the landing, and duct tape on the floor for God's sake. "Some things seemed out of place but..."
Contemptible.
Weston has been constipated for 8 days and is wetting himself constantly? There is trouble.
Mel could have been of great comfort to Weston.
Bingo! I'm a little bit late but THANKS for the tight white pants song. Crazy Davey is a Dangerous sociopath, but those pants are pretty funny.
Weston has transitioned from most beautiful kid to the recipient of insults and complaints. Not good.
Weston has always been the recipient of mockery and complaints. I think it is weird how Davey keeps sharing Weston's potty progress and mishaps with his worldwide congregation. He says Weston was asking him for a little privacy - which sounds like Davey is hovering and badgering him. Poor kid, Davey might consider he's maybe causing him to be too anxious to be able to go. That's the connection he should make, after the car lot incident, and harping on at him about what Blackburns do and don't do. I felt somewhat contemptuous of the public prayer request.
It was oddly coincidental to me when Bingo posted that white pants dance song as I'd just been watching Michelle Obama do her baggy white pants dance on the Ellen DeGeners show.
I always suspected Michelle was a guy by her build and gait, but it still seems too outrageous a stunt for there to have been a Michael in the White House - that would be taking the Mick, plus I liked the Obamas - until around the time he invited Clock Boy to the White House, which was so undermining of the school and of the police.
He did call her 'Michael', though.
Thinking about Jacola - why did she wait almost an hour to call the police?
Is it because she was threatened, or told to wait an hour, or in collusion with the three, or none of these?
LT allegedly wanted to kill her because he had been caught on her cctv. That does not make sense as a reason to kill her, unless he could also erase the camera footage. If he could erase it, and if Jacola was asleep, as claimed, there would be no ‘need’ to kill her, as she would not have seen or been able to identify him, and the footage would no longer exist. If he was unable to erase the footage, it would bear witness to his presence as a murderer rather than only a burglar. If he did not want to be apprehended for burglary, it is just as likely that he would not want to be apprehended for a much worse crime either.
There is no logic in ‘because he was on camera’ as a reason to want to kill her. If she had been awake, or woke, and could identify him or them, that might have been a reason to want to kill her, but only supposing he could also erase the cctv footage. As it exists, he presumably could not, or did not attempt, to erase it.
It further then, does not make sense that they would take the car from that scene, with the intention of murdering Amanda, knowing the chances of the car being caught on public or private cctv would be high, and that they could easily be connected through Jacola’s cctv images, to the theft of her car. So, I think they did not go to Sunnyfield Court with the intention of killing Amanda. I also think it was not a random home invasion, because Sunnyfield Court was a cul-de-sac on the other side of town, and they appear to have had knowledge that Davey’s neighbour was not at home, and that the Blackburn front door was unlocked. As someone posted above, a local has described it as a ‘go to destination’- it’s not on the way to anywhere else.
I wonder, was Jacola part of the conversation in which LT allegedly wanted to kill her?
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/victim-my-life-was-just-a-conversatio
Was she awake? Or did she wake, and recognise them? Did they know her? Did she bargain with them? Was she a victim, complicit, or both? Why did she say she thought at first it was kids messing around? Do kids normally ‘mess around’ outside or inside her apartment in the early hours of the morning? Did she think it was her own kids and their friends 'messing round', taking off with her car without permission - burglary is not 'messing around'. Why does she minimise there? - a lot,of her stuff was taken, including her phone.
Jacola said she was thankful to have ‘made it through the whole ordeal’ - yet if she was asleep, there was no ‘ordeal’ through which to make it. If she had been awake, it would sound right, but a sleeping person is oblivious to what is happening around him/her.
"That's very scary – that my life, you know, was just a conversation," Searsbrook said. "I'm glad it on the benefit to me that the conversation was had. Who knows if they hadn't had that conversation how things would have turned out, or if I would have woken up?"
Was she awake, and part of ‘the conversation’? Where did ‘conversation’ come from? In the affidavit all that is said is that Larry Taylor wanted to kill her, and Watson and Gordon convinced him to leave. Did a reporter introduce ‘conversation’, or was it Jacola’s word? I think, if the affidavit is how it went, It would not have been a ‘conversation’ more likely a series of threats made against Jacola, and by the others to dissuade him?
I can think it might have been a conversation if Jacola was awake and bargaining with them, wanting them to leave.
In a different interview -
http://wishtv.com/2015/11/23/woman-burglarized-by-blackburn-suspects-still-shaken/
‘Now the danger that they were that ruthless, you know, and were contemplating taking my life never really, you know, crossed my mind a-at the beginning, but then once that thing started getting connect, connected to the other one, I knew I was just, you know, a breath away from being alive.’
Did she already know them, and believe that they were ruthless? - it sounds that way.
I wonder if she was awake, and if she did bargain with them, and was subsequently afraid to ‘snitch’ - tell the truth of what happened?
“I think the fact that I was still asleep you know? I think that may have convinced them a little bit better you know that I didn’t actually see them. He may not have a compelling fight if I had woken up,” said Searsbrook.
What does that mean - ‘He may not have a compelling fight if I had woken up?’
What type of fight does she mean?
Is that a phrase one might associate with a defendant preparing his case for trial?
I wonder did she move from the area, as she said she intended. She has three children, and looks the age that they might be older kids - did she at first think ‘kids messing around’ because they are possibly friends of, or known, to her kids? She lived only a few apartments over from Bull and Donae? It is possible she would have known some of them by sight.
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Why did they go to Sunnyfield Court?
It so seems like a set up, that they were told of easy pickings on the other side of town, stole/borrowed/or provided with a car to get there - then walked into a murder scene, if actually they even entered the Blackburn house which LT said he did not. I think they were lured and circumstantially ‘placed’ on cctv all round Sunnyfield Court, exiting before Davey came home from the gym to discover Amanda face down in a pool of blood, or more accurately, to sit on the drive talking to Kenneth for an hour. The Chase debit card was not necessarily taken from inside the Blackburn home.
I just saw the post made about Davey and the Chevy Cruse on Deception Indicated page. I was trying to look at old pics of the house right after the execution of Amanda. The only pics I see are with the black SUV in the driveway. I assume Davey took the Chevy with him to the hospital? Was it out of the picture before the crime? It appears he was driving it on Oct 27th so I assume he had it on November 10th. What happened after is a good question? Did he sell both cars? He obviously wanted to get rid of everything that resembled his old life as quickly as possible. Was it gifted to a gang member for completion of a crime? I think that would be way too obvious.
Funny, As I was looking at news articles days following the crime, ALL of the pics in the news media include Davey. How obvious can that narcissist be? http://us-news.us/indianapolis-pastors-pregnant-wife-dies-in-alleged-home-invasion-shooting/
Jacola said she did not learn of the 'conversation' until she read about it in the affidavit. I think she has a need to persuade that she was not awake, and did not hear (or therefore take part) in any conversation with them.
Is she afraid of repercussions - was she threatened and trapped into letting them take her car? Did they know her, or her kids, and that they would find the patio door was unlocked?
I think she knows more than she is willing to say, and she avoids looking at the reporter while she's speaking in one of the interviews - she was looking down somewhat.
I think it's quite likely she heard noise, maybe thought it was one of her kids coming in late, went to investigate, and encountered them instead. If that was what happened, and if I were her, I would just want them out of my house before my kids woke up or came in. I also might be willing to keep up a pretence I had not heard or seen any of them, to avoid repercussions. I would have to have agreed with them that I would not say anything - therefore there would have to have been some type of bargaining 'conversation'?
IDK. That's where I go, on the belief she was a victim who agreed to let them use her car, and not call the police for an hour, in order to get rid of them. I haven't considered it from any other point of view.
It's interesting - if Jacola was awake and had any conversation with them, she knew, at least by sight, who was suspected of murdering Amanda for quite some time before any arrests were made. She probably would have been terrified that when they were arrested she might be accused of snitching, moreso if she actually knew any of them. Who might not, living in that neighbourhood, insist they had been asleep the whole while? I would. I'd be relieved the police soon found them, and without my assistance, beyond the vague cctv images, who could have depicted anyone. I'd want to get out of there as soon as I could, which desire she expressed. She maybe was set-up, too - her patio door was unlocked. Not safe, especially at night, in any neighbourhood - did she even know it was unlocked?
Nice of her to acknowledge Davey's loss was greater than hers, because her items could be replaced, but ihs wife and - er - baby - could not. I don't know what to make of that, or why she paused on 'baby'. Amanda and her baby weren't items. Though maybe to Davey's mind, they were. Maybe she had her own thoughts on that, and on Davey, to have put it that way. Or maybe she is materialistically minded, that her items seem a similar type of 'loss', just not so great as loss of life. I wonder what that is about, to put her items and Amanda and her baby in the same sentence and category, the loss of which she differentiated only by degree. It is maybe something said because she has not suffered any great personal loss to date, or she wanted to say the right thing, but put on the spot by reporters and cameras, it came out wrong? - plus editing. Perhaps her priority IS the loss of her items. It is edited in such a way as to put what she said about her inability to sleep, not feeling safe, and wanting to move, into the text rather than the video. She does not say much about Amanda, or use her name, but as the story and interview was about Jacola and the suspects, that seems reasonable.
Anon at 9:07, Davey drove Amanda's car to the hospital. It is also dark-colored and not the white Chevy Cruze (it's a Honda Civic). There are several pics of 2 dark cars outside the Blackburn home right after the murder (the SUV is parked closest to the home and the Civic right behind it. No pics of the white Chevy Cruze in the driveway or parked on the street.
Btw, Davey talks about how broken down Amanda's Civic was they still gave this new car to someone else not long before the murder.
According to the internet, Jacola has not moved.
Here's a pic of the black SUV and Honda Civic. The green truck belongs to the professional cleaning crew that Davey hired the days Amanda died.
https://www.google.com/search?q=amanda+blackburn+sunnyfield+court,+indianapolis,+in&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwilq6yZ55DWAhXIRCYKHYTZDKsQ_AUIDCgD&biw=1252&bih=868#imgdii=1d1LT-oIPvtLYM:&imgrc=yDqaUIy0VduKBM:
Speaking of Searsbrook, the surveillance video image shows a big screen TV right next to one of the thugs. Why wouldn't they grab that as well? I think Jacola was in on it from the beginning. She got a new iPhone out of it, and maybe more.
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1252&bih=868&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=jacola+searsbrook+indianapolis%2C+in&oq=jacola+searsbrook+indianapolis%2C+in&gs_l=psy-ab.12...1060329.1063625.0.1065697.17.17.0.0.0.0.181.1719.0j13.13.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..4.2.338...0i8i7i30k1.wUxGhT1e7S0#imgrc=hL0Zeef-bYQWvM:
What happened on November 9, 2015?
http://www.wthr.com/article/victim-learns-chilling-details-of-burglary-before-blackburn-murder
Video and text ^
Excerpt:
There's a lock on the back gate of Jacola Searsbrook's apartment, but court papers say accomplices lifted Taylor over the gate. He then entered the victim's unlocked sliding door and stole from her apartment.
Police say Searsbrook slept through the theft of her laptop, purse and car. But Taylor allegedly debated killing the sleeping woman after realizing he was captured on video by her home security cameras.
"It all happened while I was asleep. By the grace, I did not wake up because it would probably have ended a little bit different. But I'm glad...I'm glad that I didn't and I feel lucky, just lucky that I'm still around," said Searsbrook.
According to court documents, Taylor's two accomplices talked him out of killing Searsbrook that night. She didn't know how close she came to death until Monday night.
"Chilling. That is very chilling," she said.
It was her stolen car, a 2007 Chrysler, that carried the three suspects to Amanda Blackburn's neighborhood and allegedly carried Jalen Watson to ATMs where he used Blackburn's debit card.
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'By the grace' - sounds awkward and incomplete. I would expect to hear 'by the grace of God'. Does she not want to bring God into it? Is 'by the grace' a thing people say?
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Anon - in on what? What is the 'it' you believe Jacola Searbrook was 'in on' from the beginning? When was the beginning?
Bobcat, I spent an hour scrolling back through Resonate Church Facebook page till I reached Nov 2015 - nothing was posted on there for the 9th.
Do you have any clues from anyone's old social media as where he was, with whom - I think that is too much like looking for a needle in a haystack, but maybe someone kept some notes from around that time. He said he was rushing round, meeting people, running errands, building the church, sort of thing no-one was named, as I recall.
What do you propose happened on the 9th November, 2015?
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The Worship as a Weapon sermon isn't posted on the FB anymore. NewSpring was helping out with Resonate's social media for a time - maybe they deleted it.
Looking back, it's shocking how quickly Davey moved on from Amanda - and how swift the physical transformation and change in dress.
Old Davey, when Resonate started meeting at Northview Middle School.
https://www.facebook.com/ResonateIndy/photos/a.341111135914641.99865.292043477488074/1760451253980615/?type=3&theater
Remember he said Amanda chose his clothes? - he had quite the urgency to dump them.
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Amanda was soon dropped on the FB, you'd have a job knowing the pastor's wife had been murdered from looking at it - does not look to have created more than a hiccup In their madly celebratory world.
The sermon is still there:
https://resonateindy.com/sermons/strings/worship-as-a-weapon
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What do you propose happened on the 9th November, 2015?
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IMO based on public statements made by Davey Blackburn, Amber Wilkinson, Phil Byars, and Robin Byars...
At 7:30 in the morning on November 9, 2015, Weston was UP WITH Amanda.
Davey harmed Amanda in their master bathroom, to the point that she could no longer stand up. Amanda struggled and crawled to the side of the bed.
Davey drops ALL of his pronouns when describing the rest of his Monday activities.
Amanda no longer speaks, but, "like" laughs.
Amber published two statements, one in January 2016 and another in November 2016, both with alibi video and photo support. However, her statement are heavily contaminated and unreliable. Provenance of the alibi video and photo is needed.
I believe Amanda suffered greatly on Monday, November 9, 2015.
Her family allowed her to suffer, and did not call for help.
Hey Jude said...
Bobcat, I spent an hour scrolling back through Resonate Church Facebook page till I reached Nov 2015 - nothing was posted on there for the 9th.
The first thing I remember seeing on the Resonate Church Facebook page to give an indication that anything was "not normal" was that cryptic one line message on the 10th which said something like "we don't know what to do but our eyes are on you".
The Worship as a Weapon "sermon" is still up on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WWKlb_1U24
Maybe mistakenly left up - but I am sure it has been preserved by someone here so even if it disappears from Facebook it will still be "out there" floating around in the future, to be used however it makes sense.
Davey said this starting at 9:20 into the video -
. . . But in’t in't that right when you get, like, whe-when your spouse gets pregnant, don’t you worry about everything, like I remember Weston, I went up - in the middle of the night and, and like, just for no reason just because I was worried I would go and just check to see if he was still breathing. . . I wa - I got WORRIED. . .
This was on November 8th. Two days later on November 10th, "his" house was broken into and he walked in supposedly stunned and shocked to find Amanda in a pool of blood on the living room floor.
So for no reason he used to go upstairs and check on Weston in the middle of the night just to make sure he was still breathing - yet that morning he wasn't worried enough that whoever did this to Amanda also might've harmed Weston to go check on him upstairs ?
Maybe for the same reason he didn't pray for protection for Weston like he did for Amanda and Evie before he left for the gym - because he knew Weston wasn't the target and wouldn't need protection. He knew Weston would be safe - shoot, he even knew Weston's door was not only still-closed but actually completely untouched !
Or maybe there was no need to check on Weston's safety because he really was downstairs already after the sound of footprints on the stairs mentioned by Amber - and was sitting by Amanda, right in front of him.
Bobcat, I know the sermon is on the website - I mean it is no longer linked from a post, on which there were comments, on the FB page as it was at the time it was first published - the post has been deleted or hidden from timeline. There also was posted a rehearsal video in black and white, a different one from that which is still around on other sites - it was insane. That also is gone, and was removed within days. It was posted by someone who was at the rehearsal rather than an 'official' post. Davey must have been persuaded to modify the shooting scene between the rehearsal and the still awful performance.
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I can't get my head round the idea that Amanda was injured and incapacitated all day - that would mean that at the very least, Amber fabricated their day at the playpark, and lied about the video. I can't see why she would be willing to do that, and it could be so easily contradicted by the Trader's Point person who supplied the video, should anyone care to enquire as to date stamps.
Is it so that it was Davey who procured the video? I think he asked for it - and it was sent to Amber? I would think investigators would be aware that the family had the video, and how they came to have it, and the date stamp. I find difficult, in view of Amber's upbringing, to believe her conscience, or the thought of her father, would allow her to invent a last day for Amanda and herself at the playpark, if that didn't happen. It was written weeks later - what would or could possess her to give a false account - she surely has been required to give an account by investigators?
I think the bit about the parking lot, Amanda waving, them racing back to Mawmaw's, and Amanda jumping in a pile of leaves is like a need to explain - I did wonder if she was being pursued by Davey. It could be Amber just wanted to remember and record every last memory, and they were maybe behaving like a pair of madcap kids for the kids' amusement, I don't know. Amanda was not happy or in a good place that weekend,, but she was also good at rising above herself, and putting on a good face, so maybe she did do all that. Amber is a creative writer, that's her style, her loos probably flush with glitter - she is going to do her best to make everything pretty for ever.
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i am still not convinced that Amber is guilty of anything She feels guilt over childhood sibling rivalry, for her and James excluding Amanda from their games - she torments herself over that. I think she works hard at trying to pretend she is not living in a real-life horror story. .i think she has not related her real conversation with Amanda,over those two days, in order to protect Amanda, and herself. I acknowledge I am biased in favour of Amber. I don't believe everything she writes is an accurate reflection of reality, it's how she interprets it.
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I don't understand why you think the family allowed Amanda to suffer, and did not call for help.
In the context of this crime, Jacola's screen name, "Jacola is awake" is eerie and weird.
'We don't know what to do but our eyes are on you' was posted on the 11th November, Flightful, not the 10th.
Yes, I agree - Davey's lack of concern about Weston that morning speaks volumes. He didn't consider how that would be perceived - anyone else walking into that situation would assess the scene in an instant, assess Amanda's condition within a few seconds, then raced upstairs to check on the baby, phone in hand, whilst they called 911. He knew he didn't need to do that. He knew he didn't need to be wary of lurking rapist murderers, despite Amanda's condition and the alien Swisher Sweets pack on the counter.
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Something missing from the affidavit - no mention of the dog - Larry Taylor did not encounter the dog, worry he would be scratched, bitten, attacked by the dog, he did not shoot or otherwise harm the dog, he did not shut away the dog, yet the dog was shut away.
Something missing from all Davey's accounts - Mel the dog, He did not mention her, that she greeted him, was cowering away in fear, or trying to rouse Amanda, or that the murderers must have shut the dog away. Well, that was one quiet, invisible dog, for it being Amanda's faithful companion dog, which always was with her.
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Whoever said about Mel, and why Davey did not keep,her. He did not want a dog, but he allowed Amanda to have her. When Amanda was killed, a neighbour took the dog in, and Davey did not reclaim her. The neighbour still has Mel, she is now her dog. Megs still sees Mel and either likes or pretends to like her - pity the neighbour didn't take Weston in, too.
That IS creepy, Anon at 6:39 - I have not seen any of her social media, and I don't think I want to.
It might not be creepy, she might be a total insomniac now, on account of what happened.
"I find difficult, in view of Amber's upbringing, to believe her conscience, or the thought of her father, would allow her to invent a last day for Amanda and herself at the playpark, if that didn't happen."
THAT didn't happen.
You shouldn't project YOUR conscience onto her.
Again, the Woody Allen defense. No good. Not buying it. Amber learned at a very young age that a pretty blonde pastor's daughter is special and can get away with things. Both Amber and Robin mention NOT being a "cheat" in their statements.
"I think she works hard at trying to pretend she is not living in a real-life horror story."
I agree she works very hard at her public image. Regardless, her accounts regarding her and Amanda's activities on November 9, 2015 are contaminated.
Anon, we know Peter has not gone further than 'guilty knowledge'.
It was not a straightforward home invasion. Neither was the previous one, in which they hung out for a long time, drinking beer and wine, as though they knew the home owner would not return to disturb them.
The Blackburn door was left unlocked. They apparently walked right up to it. Burglars avoid being seen. They go for back or side doors, and windows.
We do not yet know if forensic evidence places any of the three within the Blackburn home.
If they entered the home, and encountered an occupant, the expectation would be that they would leave rather than confront the occupant, or they would threaten the occupant whilst committing the robbery, rather than murder them.
Burglars do not generally murder anyone - they want instant money and goods, not trouble and life sentences.
The murder was brutal, the violence out of all proportion to anything they might have found necessary to fend off a scratch from Amanda.
Larry Taylor, in a burglary, with others, put down items he had intended to steal, wiped off his fingerprints, and left when confronted by the teenage boy he was burgling. He was caught red-handed - he put down the items, and he left the house. Why would he abandon one attempt, yet murder a young mother in another? I don't believe he attacked and murdered Amanda.
Burglars do not hang round while their buddies go out searching for an ATM with just ONE debit card, out of several cards, not bothering with the rest. A home invader would be more likely to take the victim with them to withdraw the cash than hang around waiting in a house to which the man of the house might return at any minute..
Burglars take all the cards, all the goods they can carry, and run. They didn't take anything. Possibly a laptop and two books, or possibly those were already missing.
Larry Taylor was set up. He was taken to Sunnyfield Court and left there, to be captured on cctv during the time when Davey was at the gym. IMO, Amanda was already in he condition she was in, before Davey left for the gym. Davey's short time at the gym was hardly worth the effort. It seems it was an excursion made to avoid being in the house during that crucial timeframe. He did not go into the house, though his given reason was to go home, in order to shower. He sat on the driveway in his car talking to Kenneth Wagner, who conveniently and uncharacteristic all
(Screen locked, had to power off)
....uncharacteristically tweeted about his morning chat with Davey. Whichever way anyone wants to look at it, that always still looks like an alibi within an alibi.
So, not a straightforward home invasion, no - perhaps not any type of home invasion.
Explain how Amber's accounts are contaminated, please, Bobcat. I don't understand very much about contamination.
I think, if someone introduces a word or idea to someone, and they then agree, and use it as if it were there own, that is contamination, but there are other means too. IDK, don't remember. Oh, the article a while back, which had the allegedly kidnapped model's statement, which was contaminated because it was all a series of answers to unknown questions. How else does it happen? I don't remember.
Hmm, I don't think I was projecting - the Byars children were raised quite strictly, ithey would not have got away with too many lies - I don't think it would take much to produce a guilty conscience in any of them.
On the other hand, Davey was raised quite strictly, too, and he lies, twists, and exaggerates.
Maybe it is not reasonable then, to think Amber wouldn't do the same.
I don't know - stumped now. I think - know - she embroiders the truth, pretties things up, but I don't think that is the same as intentionally to mislead.
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Strict in some ways, not so in others - they were both allowed to be quite routinely mean to their siblings.
Davey walks in the house, and calls paramedics 5 minutes later. Then we find out he had not checked on Weston. Five minutes becomes a very long time. What on earth was he doing? We know of no blood on him, so he wasn't giving life support to Amanda. Then he says he called when he could. Why couldn't he call immediately? This is a big deal. He had to have told the police something about that 5 minutes.
And you would think Mel would have been destroying the door that was holding him back. And no barking reported. I always thought that he may have unclothed Amanda, or even assaulted her, because his anger about sex was so ugly. I hope that didn't happen. I just can't see the police ignore
That 5 minutes. I hope they are on to him. Sorry, I had tosh that separate, my comment got stuck!
Hey Jude- Reading your comments on Mel and you raise some really good discussion points. Dogs need to be let out first thing in the morning and fed. So, who let Mel out to do her business that morning and when, or did she do her business in the room/garage? If he didn't let her out prior to leaving for the gym, she'd definitely be whining, crying, barking needing to go out (or get out if she'd relieved herself in the room/garage), assuming Amanda was awake and didn't let her out. Did Davey let her out before he called 911? Who fed Mel?
If Mel was shut up during the violence, I would her to be either howling/barking or proceed to when he approached the house. I wonder if she's in the background noise of the 911 call. Dogs have an excellent sense of hearing (assuming they're present; assuming they're not drugged). I wonder if she's making noise in the background of the 911 call or if Davey shut her up in another room/garage because he needed to hear on the 911 call.
As an aside, 911 Dispatchers are trained to ask if there's a dog in the residence because they don't want Responders bitten or attacked when they arrive and attempt entry (either because the animal is protective, territorial, or agitated). It may be that Davey shut Mel up or crated her at the Dispatcher's advice. It is a little surprising that Mel was friendly with Responders, given the abject violence against Amanda, the police sirens responding to neighbor's home two doors down in the cul-de-sac, the Fire Department and Ambulance sirens to the Blackburn home, then followed by more police sirens as they responded to the Blackburn home, and the chaos of so many different people in the home. I would expect even the friendliest, most obedient dog to be somewhat of a shaking, shrinking mess. Although, my BIL tells me that as the "Alpha Dog" in the pack, that his pit bull takes his cues from him. When his dog displays anxiety, my BIL demonstrates calm, deliberate movements and gives commands in a firm, even-measured tone. I wonder how "calm" Davey is on that 911 tape.
He may have been in the house longer than five minutes - he could have gone in and out several times, or even have been inside the house while he was on the phone with Kenneth for all anyone knows. Someone must have had cctv which covered their driveway, front door. If so, we will know sooner or later who went in and out, and who didn't, and if Davey had taken Mel in the car with him. I can't think how else the dog would not get a mention by LT or the others in the affidavit - either they were not in the house, or the dog was not in the house? Davey does not mention her presence either.
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That response about a 'straightforward' home invasion - the Anon's post to which I was replying is no longer there. I wasn' t talking to myself.
"I think the bit about the parking lot, Amanda waving, them racing back to Mawmaw's, and Amanda jumping in a pile of leaves is like a need to explain - I did wonder if she was being pursued by Davey. It could be Amber just wanted to remember and record every last memory, and they were maybe behaving like a pair of madcap kids for the kids' amusement, I don't know."
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Here's the link:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10210780108240556&set=a.2591341624581.2145596.1285843155&type=3&theater
An abundance of blue = a contaminated statement.
IN the first paragraph alone, there are six points of concern.
1. I will never forget Amanda snapping her fingers and making silly faces next to me in an attempt to get everyone to look and smile at the same time.
2. I remember walking out to the parking lot after we took this picture, all 5 of us hand in hand.
"I will never forget" is to say "I remember". IN a truthful statement, there is no need to say "I remember".
3. The race was on. Amanda took a different route because she was convinced it was faster. I told her I always win everything, but she made me promise to drive the speed limit so that I didn't cheat!
Events are out of sequence. Amber "told" Amanda, BUT she "made me promise" should come before the race begins.
4. Amanda took a different route because she was convinced it was faster.
5. The reason they aren't looking directly at the camera is because they were too busy watching Amanda make goofy faces and laugh as she said "cheeeeeeeese" over and over and over again!
6. That sweet look of admiration in Weston's eyes is because he was looking directly into the eyes of his Mommy.
The three "because" statements are of the highest sensitivity and are highlighted blue.
When there is an abundance of blue in a statement, it is contaminated.
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Also, in Amber's first story about 11/9/15, she wrote this about leaving the park: "We spent the rest of the day shopping, drinking our favorite Starbucks drinks, running errands, and finally finishing the day with a family dinner at my grandparent's house.
In the second story, there is no mention of running errands (also a vague time period) before heading to Mamaw's house.
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I agree, the Park and the leaving of the Park is extremely sensitive. Why? Is it because it is fabricated? If there are shreds of sensitive truth, what then happened at Mamaw's house, or on the way to Mamaw's house? What happened in a gigantic pile of leaves at Mamaw's house that may also cause Phil to think of Amanda when he sees any tree, or things that crawl?
Why was a coverup home invasion and an execution shot preferable to whatever happened? Given the choice, Phil would never have allowed it.
"Collectively, they are an embarrassment to Christians."
~ Peter Hyatt, August 15, 2017
"The reason they aren't looking directly at the camera is because they were too busy watching Amanda make goofy faces and laugh as she said "cheeeeeeeese" over and over and over again!"
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Cheeeeeeeese over and over and over sounds like a death rattle noise.
"like" "just" gut laughing
There are so MANY references to different forms of labored breathing that leak into Amber's statements...
Those public statements are why I believe Amanda's family members failed to call for help for a suffering Amanda on 11/9/15.
Holy cow, Bobcat! How did I miss that? In the first statement Amber says they "spent the rest of the day shopping, drinking our favorite Starbucks drinks, running errands and finally finishing the day with a family dinner at my grandparents house"
And in a later account Amber says that they left Traders point and raced straight from there, back to the grandparents house.
Woah. That's a massive discrepancy. It can't be both, can it? Maybe they went to Traders park, raced back to Mawmaw's, left the kids with Mawmaw and then went back out, shopping, to Starbucks, running errands; just the two of them, Amanda and Amber.
If that is the case, why would she leave that little detail out? Curious.
Why would she leave that little detail out?
Because she is fabricating and it's hard to keep lies straight?
Hey Jude wrote
IMO, Amanda was already in he condition she was in, before Davey left for the gym. Davey's short time at the gym was hardly worth the effort. It seems it was an excursion made to avoid being in the house during that crucial timeframe. He did not go into the house, though his given reason was to go home, in order to shower. He sat on the driveway in his car talking to Kenneth Wagner, who conveniently and uncharacteristically tweeted about his morning chat with Davey. Whichever way anyone wants to look at it, that always still looks like an alibi within an alibi.
^ ^ ^ this ^ ^ ^ - all of it.
About Davey's extremely short time at the gym -
A true gym rat will, to the greatest extent possible, work everything else around training - he/she will engineer their schedule and activities and plans to NOT have to cut their training time short - to maximize the time spent - in any way possible. Davey's spending more time driving to and from the gym than he spent training that morning - and then starting a phone call while still training - "finishing up a workout and jumping on the phone with him" (Kenneth Wagner) as Davey said he did - isn't normal for someone who trains seriously.
Repeating myself for sure, but there is no reason for Davey to have had to "grab his gym clothes" and cart them to the gym and take time in the locker room to change into them before he could train - especially on a morning he was already running late. When I used to train in the morning before work, I would have my training clothes right by the bed to crawl into - to get momentum, to save even that much time. When I used to run on my lunch hour (we had male and female locker rooms with showers right in the treatment center), I used to wear my training clothes under my medical scrubs so all I had to do was peel off my scrubs and change shoes and I could be out the door in less than five minutes.
Somehow I believe Davey was / is every bit as obsessive about protecting and maximizing his training time as I used to be.
Davey could've crawled into his gym clothes at 4:30am and then been in them already while he spent whatever time he wanted to spend on the couch before leaving - it wasn't like it was too cold to wear gym clothes outside to the gym/in the car - otherwise would he have lingered in the car in wet/damp training clothes talking on the driveway for as long as he did?
Why wouldn't he just put his training clothes on before leaving. . .
. . . could it be because he had to use the gym bag to cart something ELSE out of the house, something that couldn't be exposed? "Grabbed my gym clothes", "grabbed my gym bag" is sensitive and always mentioned.
I'll say it again, someone who is training seriously holds their time running or training in the gym as sacred. They don't want to waste even five minutes of time changing clothes if their time is already cut short because of running late and especially with another time commitment immediately following. On November 10th, Davey was (1) already running late leaving the house and (2) had a standing phone call scheduled for which he couldn't be late or otherwise Kenneth Wagner would know this was a departure from "normal" - so if he was really intent on getting in a solid workout and was not just posing/ using the gym to be seen on camera as an alibi then his time management that morning does not ring true to me.
Then again, we don't know that Davey wasn't already in gym clothes when he left the house. He keeps saying he grabbed his gym clothes/gym bag - but does anyone know what he was wearing, did a camera see him on the driveway when he was leaving for the gym?
What was he wearing when the camera caught him walking into the gym? What about when he returned and got out of the car on the driveway - and what was he wearing when IFD Engine 12 and IMPD arrived ? He says he returned home "to shower" - so did he really get a shower before calling 911 as soon as he could, instead of staying with Amanda?
So many questions.
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About avoiding being in the house during that crucial timeframe -
Davey needed to be gone during that certain timeframe - particularly around 6:40-6:45am when Natasha Jones Tank "heard two gunshots and what sounded like a woman scream". She did not mention a crying Weston, a barking dog, a third gunshot, and only said "what sounded like" a scream. A single scream - not ongoing screams, not repeated. I've wondered many times if she was instructed to give that statement to detectives, right down to the timeframe - but I'm having trouble with the third gunshot and when it would have happened, if she really did hear two and wasn't just saying what she was told to say.
It really does make sense that Amanda was already in big trouble before Davey ever left for the gym on Tuesday - maybe/probably on Monday morning already when she was on her knees leading the way in surrender. And yes Amber and Davey both tend to get their stories mixed up when repeating them in different Facebook posts or blog posts or podcasts or appearances. Amber's two accounts of Monday the 9th do indeed conflict when talking about going to Mamaw's (when they went).
And I still don't like it that there are no pictures of Amanda and Amber together that Monday except on that video the volunteer "volunteered" so helpfully to give - and I also don't like it that Amber told Gavin on the phone that morning "about her (Amanda) being shot" - when Davey himself said he didn't know until the doctors told him at the hospital. That seems too soon for Amber to know that tidbit of information.
Foolsfeedonfolly - it's interesting that Davey doesn't tell us any of that, no mention of the dog. It's difficult to know how Mel would have been without knowing her temparement, and if she liked Davey. The dog does not appear to have been crated when she was discovered. She happily greeted the police when she was found in the bedroom - one of them had taken a photograph of her - they showed it at the press conference. Even in later versions, where he said he sat beside Amanda, taking mental snapshots, listening to Weston cooing, there is no mention of Mel, of hearing any sound from her, or of him thinking of her, which thought would at least have crossed his mind, at least if she had been making sounds. Maybe not - he maybe routinely filtered out her sounds.
Or, was she not present?
Was she in the bedroom all night, terrified, and silent, not drawing his thought or attention, or does he not mention her because he doesn't want to say who shut her in the bedroom, doesn't want to wonder aloud why Mel was not besides Amanda when he discovered her? He already knows, or the dog is of such insignificance to him that for as long as she is quiet, he genuinely does not even think of or remember her? IDK.
I'd think, if he stayed on the phone long enough to be asked about dogs, he would have spun that into the story, and said he had reassured her, and put her into the bedroom, and he would have told everyone how the dog, along with Weston, was just fine, and totally unaffected by Amanda's murder, and how he only wished he'd had enough time to stop and play with her that morning just like he always did, or something. If he could have spun it into something positive, or made Mel a reason why he was delayed in calling 911, he would have?
It as as though she is not present, so maybe she was not - perhaps she was in the car the whole time, only brought into the house at the time when Davey said he discovered Amanda.
I'd still expect him, for the sake of the story, to wonder why she had not been with Amanda, why she had not seen off the intruders, or also been shot, why she had not barked so much or so long as to alert neighbours, or him, while he sat on the drive for an hour - nothing. He has not attempted to explain why Mel is not in his narrative, or to work her into it retrospectively.
I think it's reasonable to surmise that the dog, as a potential mess maker/house spoiler, would be generally wary of Davey, who did not want any dog. He told the story of Derek once tormenting his own dog with an electric shock collar - he was with him, someone saw them - he felt the need to distance himself from that. He accounted the cruelty to Derek, yet he was with him - 'Watch this!' he said Derek had said, as he shocked the dog. He didn't say he had stopped or remonstrated with Derek, just that he thought shocking the dog was cruel, which is not the same as saying he said that. Together, they were showing a callous disregard for the dog, Derek finding amusement, and assuming Davey would also find it funny - "Watch this!" They know each other pretty well, well enough to want to set up house together as soon as they could. Davey does not want dogs in his house, but he has settled for Derek and Ashley's dog, whilst abandoning Mel. Maybe Mel didn't want to be reclaimed, or Ashley did not want two dogs - he doesn't say that he ever asked for Mel back, or intended to reclaim her. She was Amanda's dog, more tolerated than wanted by Davey.
Well, I think Amber and Amanda would most likely have dropped the kids off with MawMaw before they went shopping - they already had worn them out at the playpark, they likely would be due for lunch and nap, the sisters then having some free time together. That's how I would have arranged it, if I'd been either of them, had the luxury of an available MawMaw, and if I didn't get much time with my sister. Time together with, and without, the kids. I will read Amber's posts again. I know I am biased towards her. If the investigators have asked Amber for an account with a view to what Amanda did on the Monday, they will likely have cctv from stores they visited - there would likely be shopping receipts in Amanda's purse, or record of her purchases, if she bought anything. It would not have been difficult for them to establish if Amanda was alive and well on Monday.
Now there may be a clue from Robin, in her mysterious statement that Amanda's 'last physical appearance' was at Trader's Point. No cctv has been found of her anywhere after that? The Sunnyfield Court residents would have cctv of Amanda returning home Monday, if she did. She did not drive her own car - Davey collected her from Mawmaw's? Where was Amanda's car, which she drove from Trader's Point, to MawMaw's? Did she leave it at MawMaw's? Why would she not drive her own car home?
IDK. I tend to filter out car details, but they are pretty big objects to lose - is a car lost along the way in the story?
Christians are always embarrassed by other varieties of Christians, Bobcat - thus the falling out, divisions, proliferation of denominations, splinter groups, and splinter-splinter groups - all tend towards the belief they are somehow more the 'true' Church than the others, - all fail, some more spectacularly than others. They still can count their successes.
Historically, Denominations splintered due to culture. This is the historic reference point for the founding fathers of the US to declare that the state cannot mandate "religion." It was referencing denominations.
The splintering mirrors Sir John Glubb's observations about history and is cyclical.
A movement begins in earnest and does quiet well.
It then moves to having success.
It then sees the success and the external pressure described by Glubb (to move away from its principles)
It then has its resistance to this move, which includes "absurdity" (no different than secular history) which in terms of religion, means going against its principles and this group begins the reactionary process.
It is, in this sense, a contending for truth that they believe worth contending over.
Today, the absurdity can be seen as the topic on this thread: Davey Blackburn
True, it is embarrassing because he takes upon himself the Name of Christ, but the reaction to reform is not so much an emotional reaction (embarrassment) as it is a desire for truth.
If you look at churches today, (denominations) many of them began with a principled commitment to their ideology.
Upon success, they were confronted by the pressures of the changing culture. When it succumbed to the pressure, some broke off and began new denominations and have done much good, but upon reaching affluence and power, begin to yield.
It is the pattern of human nature. Spurgeon said, "when our nests are well feathered" we are in the most danger of forgetting. This is viewed in the repetition of Scripture to "not forget" and "tell your children", "tell your children's children, don't remove the ancient landmark," and so on.
The Methodist Church today bears no resemblance to that of John and Charles Wesley.
The ideology that the Wesleys clung to produced much, but subsequent generations "knew better" (just like secular history) and followed the same basic pattern.
Davey is nothing new. His type have been with us for all recorded history. Although they are far more numerous (both in fact and percentage) in the secular world, they stand out more when they use religion to exploit others.
Peter
Peter - Very well put - it all seems sadly inevitable. Davey and Amanda grew up in church cultures, which by mine, was largely mocked when I was young - now there are attempts by some within it to embrace that modern 'worship' type of set-up in order to 'reach' the young. I think they are not happy with the idea that Christ's followers are in such a minority, but God continues to call his own, they know his voice, and don't need gimmicks in order to respond. I think sometimes to cut Davey some slack, because his understanding of God and Church was already malformed when he received it - at least according to my understanding, with others who also are Christian, would, in turn call into question.
^. With others - meant to be 'which others'
PS:
State and Church
Think of the US Constitution as the US's ideology.
Now think of how much of it has been discarded or fallen out of favor. A "conservative" (by definition) seeks to "conserve" it (or at least is supposed to). The constitution severely limits politicians' powers.
Now think of a Confessional statement or Confession of Faith.
Think of how they fell out of favor over time and churches moved further and further away from them, causing those who wished to conserve the confession into forming a new denomination. The motive: to preserve the ideology.
For an even interesting study, look at those churches of whom the historic Confessions of Faith are still held to.
They are very tiny.
Peter
Thank you, Peter. When I hear the term 'historic confessions of faith' my mind goes to The Nicene and Apostles' Creeds, but as the churches which hold to these cannnot be described as 'tiny', they cannot be those you mean - I will take to Google for more information. :)
Bobcat said: 'Given the choice, Phil would never have allowed it.'
Will you post what he said or the link to it please, Bobcat?
I thought that was odd at the time, but I think it was not intended as it sounded - Phil wasn't talking about himself.
I am thinking you mean that Phil unintentionally let slip that he, himself, did have a choice as to whether Amanda should die?
I rather that Phil was thinking of Davey, and what he would have done in his shoes, if he had been Davey - that it was Davey who had the choice.
Publicly, the Byars are going along with the home invasion, and they may genuinely believe it happened as laid out in the affidavit: I think it probable they also have suspicion of Davey's involvement, but he has been '100% cleared' - he has Weston, and he continues to stick to his story.
Say that is how they are thinking, and you are Phil, whose daughter has been murdered. I think you would be likely to think, with any suspicions put aside, or even if you had no suspicions, that Davey always had the choice to lock the front door that morning, or to leave it unlocked.
It is a choice to not lock a front door, at least of the type which can be opened from the outside without a key. It f he was not expecting home invaders, his choice was to take a risk with the safety of pregnant Amanda, and of Weston, whether asleep, or in the process of getting up, as he claimed Amanda was - therefore in an even more vulnerable position than if she had been up, dressed, and downstairs, able to lock the door behind him. He left for the gym. In darkness, knowing anyone could have walked in and harmed them.
I think Phil, from the beginning, has been troubled by Davey's choice to leave the door unlocked - it was evident in their joint NewSpring video that he was angry at Davey's failure to protect Amanda. If Phil had had the choice, he would not have allowed the possibility of anyone walking in off the street to murder Amanda, because he would have chosen to lock the door.
I think that is what he meant there.
Hey Jude wrote-
Now there may be a clue from Robin, in her mysterious statement that Amanda's 'last physical appearance' was at Trader's Point. No cctv has been found of her anywhere after that? The Sunnyfield Court residents would have cctv of Amanda returning home Monday, if she did. She did not drive her own car - Davey collected her from Mawmaw's? Where was Amanda's car, which she drove from Trader's Point, to MawMaw's? Did she leave it at MawMaw's? Why would she not drive her own car home?
IDK. I tend to filter out car details, but they are pretty big objects to lose - is a car lost along the way in the story?
Amber's two Facebook statements about Monday November 9th -
https://www.facebook.com/amber.b.wilkinson/videos/10208026172233877/
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10210780108240556&set=a.2591341624581.2145596.1285843155&type=3&theater
Amber says she didn't hug Amanda goodbye on Monday night when leaving Mamaw's (when "it was finally time for her to go home") because she was holding Weston in her arms as Davey loaded THE car. One car? I wonder too. And why was it finally time for HER to GO HOME instead of time for THEM (Davey, Weston and Amanda) to go home / leave Mamaw's ? Christians talk about going home to heaven when a believer dies - it's interesting wording especially since it isolates Amanda from Davey and Weston because she didn't say "them".
From one Facebook post, it sounds like Amber, Amanda and the kids went straight to Mamaw's from Traders Point park - and Amanda jumped in the leaves with Weston. Someone said maybe they went to Mamaw's to drop the kids off for naps and so then Amber and Amanda could spend some time together shopping or whatever without the kids - yet they all took the time to play in the leaves together before Amber and Amanda were going back out to drink Starbucks drinks and shop?
I am having trouble seeing the timestamp on the video and I understand that can be altered - does anyone know what time it "states" it was when they were leaving Trader's Point? I'm wondering how much time there was to drive to Mamaw's, jump in the leaves for however long, then if Amber and Amanda DID go back out to shop, run errands and drink their favorite Starbucks drinks - how late was it already?
When did Davey see Amanda that afternoon, before everyone ended up at Mamaw's for the family dinner and Davey was chasing Weston around the couch ? From Amber's rundown of everything she and Amanda did that afternoon, it doesn't sound like they dropped a car at the Blackburn house so there would be just THE car at Mamaw's later, instead of two cars like there would be if Davey drove and met them there.
Would Davey be loading THE car if Amanda's car was at Mamaw's too - Amanda would maybe be putting Weston in her car in his car seat. Somehow it sounds like they all ended up riding home together because "the car" indicates only one car, yet it was only "finally time for her (Amanda) to go home" in Amber's language.
I'm with you Hey Jude as far as it being almost unthinkable that Amber is involved in a coverup. Yet her language is shady and over the top (and contaminated according to Statement Analysis) - plus which I will never believe that the volunteer at Traders Point produced that video knowing that Amber would need it to ALWAYS remember Amanda by - how did she know?
Peter- Thank you for educating me on the cyclical nature of Church growth and splits. I had no idea. That was interesting and made perfect sense. That's why I like this blog- I always learn something.
The time stamp on the Trader's Point video is 2:23 p.m. They are exiting the park.
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Phil's statement:
"And uh, 10 months ago, darkness entered into our family like I’ve never, expected and, never, dreamed, and would never have hoped, and, would never have allowed, if it was up to me."
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2017/05/982016-cedarville-universitychapel.html
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Darkness entered into Phil's family. Did darkness enter Amanda? No. Darkness entered into Phil's family...resulting in Amanda's death? Darkness. The family. Death.
Phil does not say three thugs murdered my daughter. He doesn't say sadness entered Amanda and she committed suicide. He says darkness entered his family. Who is his family, and where were they when the darkness entered in?
Robin (Yosemite)
James (Yosemite)
Angela (Yosemite)
Gavin (Goshen)
In-law Jim Cook (Indy)
In-law Bobbi Cook (Indy)
Amber (Indy)
Davey (Indy)
Amanda (Indy)
Is the darkness Satan? Davey has absolved Satan. He has stated very clearly that the enemy is "in me. It's me."
Phil has placed the darkness in his family, and he considers Davey his son.
Did the darkness enter more than one person in Phil's family?
Phil Byars:
"See the problem is, I didn’t know what I was gonna do. And I was desperate. And I sat in that room, that hotel- the hotel room, and I just, I, Robin was in the shower. I’m thanking God she was in the shower, because the, the, the- The ugly cry that came out of me, sounded so horrible it shocked myself. And it was like, hell itself was screaming up out of the depths of my soul."
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2017/05/22017-faith-biblical-counseling.html
Hidden Comments:
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2017/06/101616-phil-byars-in-sedona-arizona.html
Question: Do you think our loved ones, that we have lost, watch over us? Can they hear our prayers?
Phil: "I hope not. Amanda’s never seen me in the shower, and I don’t want her now, seeing me in the shower. That kind of creeps me, that question creeps me out."
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/09/9112016-what-happens-when-you-die-week.html
Hey Jude- I think you nailed it oh Phil. I think if I were Phil, I could forgive Davey for not locking the front door. It would take me awhile, but I could understand being in hurry, with a lot on your mind, and it just being an accident forgetting to lock the door (assuming it was an accident-which I do not believe). I'd have a lot of trouble forgiving him for choosing not to admit it publicly, first of all. Secondly, I'd have definite issues with him not accepting responsibility for it, especially using his counseling "session" and the "God doesn't want us bogged down by guilt" as an excuse. I think I'd be pushed to publicly confrontational though when Davey moved to "blame" Amanda for it though with "she'd be getting up anyway". Davey did not and has never felt guilty in the least for not locking the door and that, in and of itself alone, is Troubling (capital T intended).
I feel very sorry for Phil. He got snowed, just like Amanda, thinking he was getting an really great son-in-law, who loved the Lord and his daughter. Davey loves Davey, period. Amber's still drinking the Kool-aid. I have to give the Byers family somewhat of a pass. I think it's a lot like Laci Peterson's mom said, you just can't wrap your mind around the idea that this person who acted like they really loved your daughter and your whole family for so long, that you welcomed into your family, trusted and loved, was really pretending all along. I think Phil may struggle with this too. We have extended family where the step-dad was molesting the step-daughter. The mom kept getting the feeling something was " a little off", but he played such a good game, had answers for every thing, and "it was just to horrible of a thought to believe it might be true" that the mom basically kept talking herself out of the uneasy feelings. The truth was too hard to face. I think Amber *might* be working hard to convince herself things are "o.k.". The problem with talking ourselves out of that uneasiness and talking ourselves into lying to ourselves and denying those warning feelings is that we're doing it because the truth threatens our sense of security. In this case, Davey can't be less than Amber's idealized view of him because it blows the whole sister twinning thing she and Amanda shared (bestie sisters marrying bestie friends and they all have just everything in common). The reality of being so taken by someone so trusted is way too shattering for most people and shakes them to the core. So, they retreat into self-defense mode, essentially creating their own "perfect" reality. It's far more palatable, preferable, comfortable than the truth. The truth can and will be life-altering and on some level (conscious, subconscious) they know it.
FFOF,
Your last paragraph is very powerful.
I understand the self-defense mode of creating an acceptable reality to deal with what the family has had to deal with.
However, they have gone far, far beyond that.
They are participating in the SELLING of Amanda's death.
Thankfully, most potential buyers are passing these days.
It's a dirty, dirty product.
Amber is Facebook friends with Jacob Wells, the founder of givesendgo.com. Jacob's wife, Holly, is the one that had given (or transferred) the $8,900 donation. She now had Davey's givesendgo as a "test" site but since it's cached, it's still visible.
Jacob's FB:
https://www.facebook.com/jacob.wells.121/about?lst=100006356472942%3A1158990606%3A1504841940
Davey's givesendgo (now run by Holly)
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:b-KXYCQWgV4J:images.givesendgo.com/GBED+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
^ Robin and James are Facebook friends of Jacob Wells as well.
Holly was the first person to donate to the Blackburn's campaign. She used her maiden name, for some reason.
$25.00
Holly Quaglia
603 day(s), 04 hr 2 min ago
Praying for you Guys!
The selling is after the fact.
I still want to know what REALLY happened on 11/9/15.
I believe Amanda's crippling injuries were known by Amber (and eventually many others), and Amanda was "allowed" to die instead of calling for help, knowing that if/when she recovered, she would be permanently handicapped.
I believe Davey is an evil mastermind who knew everyone's priorities and weaknesses, and how they could be manipulated to maintain image... and most don't know the full extent of his advance planning in the execution of Amanda.
I believe he was abused as a child. He needed treatment and didn't receive it.
As long as the "big C church rallies around Davey" [Perry's words], they are not only protecting a dangerous predator, but endangering countless innocents that his "Pastor" title will grant him access to. They will perpetuate false realities to maintain their own image regardless of who may be harmed in the future. It's disgusting.
This is my opinion.
Thanks Bobcat for this
The time stamp on the Trader's Point video is 2:23 p.m. They are exiting the park.
So Amber's Facebook states that Weston woke up from his morning nap and then Amanda and Weston met up with her and her daughters at the indoor PARK - where they stayed and played until 2:23pm which is when they were leaving according to the video - then drove (raced) to Mamaw's house and all of them jumped in the leaves in the yard for a period of time.
So if Amber's story is true and she and Amanda were together on Monday (with Amanda alive and well) - after Amanda was on her knees beside the bed Monday morning leading the way in surrender (and just praying that God would use them in a really big way) - - then, as Hey Jude said, there should be evidence of Amanda on CCTV at one of the places they shopped, at one of the places where there was an errand, at THE Starbucks where they enjoyed their favorite Starbucks drinks.
That's a lot of stops to fit in too - between leaving Traders Point at 2:23pm, driving to Mamaw's and playing in the leaves, then IF Amber and Amanda went back out alone together and were back for a family dinner with everyone together. Amber makes it sound like such a leisurely nice day but if the timestamp is accurate (never mind the video being what really was seen that day). what a rat race because they wouldn't have even left Mamaw's and starting doing all of this until 3pm.
Who knows what time this dinner would have been (how much time the girls would've had to shop and run errands and drink together before being back to Mamaw's) - but I'm thinking tonight that it should be clear cut to look at where Amber says she and Amanda went (especially Starbucks) and see if she was there and what time she was there. It seems it should be between 2:30pm and like 6 or 7pm that she would be visible in these places Amber said they went.
But who would spearhead this type of a look-see into the activities of Monday? - and if/because Robin says the last physical appearance was at Traders Point, is that a way of saying "don't look for her on video anywhere else, you won't see her?"
From DataLounge-
Practice run? Davey "spending time in the word" in the middle of the night on a Tues a few weeks before the murder.
daveyblackburn @daveyblackburn Reflecting on this truth this morning: The Lord has brought us so far in such little time . . . But the best is still yet to come! 3:09 AM - 20 Oct 2015
'The truth can and will be life-altering and on some level (conscious, subconscious) they know it'
- Great post, Fools.
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Thanks Bobcat.
Flightful, yes - Starbucks, as Amber named that -I wonder if it was verified early on, and how long the cctv is kept. I'd think the Monday movements of Davey and of Amanda would have been checked out, but who knows? I thought it was Davey who asked at trader's Point if there was video, using Amber wanting it for a keepsake, as an excuse? And then it was sent to Amber with the message? IDK. I'd think whoever sent it might also have thought to let the police know it was asked for, if that was the case. Maybe not.
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Frustrating, I want to read Amber again and all the links, but It will have to wait - I have a family event to attend on the other side of the country this weekend . I need to get off line, put the house in order, and get my act together. Telling myself, Just Do It - yeah, one more cup of coffee. :)
"I need to get off line, put the house in order, and get my act together. Telling myself, Just Do It - yeah, one more cup of coffee. :)"
24/7 online....you got this. You're better than anyone at it. OCD got nothing on you.
^ You're not far off there, at the moment - though I have only been on-line for two cups of coffee worth of time since my last post. Wish I did not need to make the effort for this weekend, but I wil be glad I did. What's it to you, anyway? I might be a bit obsessive at times, but it doesn't HAVE to be a disorder. :)
The husband, Matthew Phelps who stabbed his wife to death in the middle of the night and called 911 blaming it on the cough medicine showed signs of obsession with darkness just like Davey. I think Phelps is more psychotic and Davey is sociopathic but the signs for both were there. Davey preached so much violence and darkness in the months leading up to the brutal killing of his wife. Matthew Phelps had a separate instagram account where he posted demonic, dreamlike pictures. Somebody should have escorted Davey off that stage on November 8th and taken him to a mental hospital. It is the same with Phelps. Many of his friends knew about his crazy instagram account. At least Phelps is now locked up, while Davey and his sociopathic self roams free.
"Blogger Hey Jude said...
^ You're not far off there, at the moment - though I have only been on-line for two cups of coffee worth of time since my last post. Wish I did not need to make the effort for this weekend, but I wil be glad I did. What's it to you, anyway? I might be a bit obsessive at times, but it doesn't HAVE to be a disorder"
What's it to me? You mentioned it in a public forum where people respond to comments. You see, this is another example of your disorder...at this point, you and a couple of others here assume this is your private haven/message board where you air your feelings and stupid, brainless theories, then become offended when the response is not to your liking.
Is this your private journal? You might want to re-think that.
You don't consider your nearly 24/7 presence here s but obsessive?
Hmm, well, I think it's not my problem if you don't like our stupid, brainless, theories - that's a hazard of reading public forums, you can't decide what other people can think or say.
I'm not offended, I was curious - now I know your ire is at the 'stupid, brainless, theories' , so I am no longer curious. I don't have OCD. I do post a lot at times, yes.
Your indignation might be a little misplaced - journaling in public is not one of *my* interests. :)
That's tight. You can post your opinions. I can post mine, much as you don't like it.
You're welcome
Interesting --an hour or so after I posted it, the twitter account of "OPC History" posted about their denomination \'s decision to break away as the principles were not being conserved.
It is a sad reality but it reminds me of another:
Anywhere you have two or more people gathered for regular activity, someone takes the lead.
Even in the most heavily claimed egalitarian relationships or societies, when push comes to shove and disagreement cannot be rectified, someone takes leaderhship.
:)
Peter
Larry Taylor's Jury Trial is now scheduled for April 2, 2018.
Why all the push backs on court dates? It seemed like such an open-shut case according to the police. Just your run of the mill robbery gone wrong. They just wanted to hit one more house, owner fought Larry so she died. Isn't that what they said at the crazy police conference? Then why two years later is the case still being pushed back. Were they just expecting the thugs to take plea deals to take down Larry Taylor? Did it not go as plan as the other two refused plea deals. What is going on? Why is Jalen Watson in segregation. What are your guys theories?
From Datalounge, it's LE and the prosecutor that is pushing it back because they are still gathering evidence. They want to try Taylor first because they most likely are giving Watson a deal and need to make sure he testifies and testifies truthfully.
My theories -
The thugs (IF any of them were indeed actually inside Amanda and Davey's house that morning and that is doubtful to me) were not expecting to find Amanda in the condition she was in. They were set up.
One of them remarked that he did not want a speedy trial - I wondered then and I still wonder if he was hoping someone would talk and/or if IMPD would act upon the evidence they found that morning, keeping in mind that evidence can include statements that Davey made or did not make on the 911 call.
If I was a defense attorney or public defender for one of the thugs and wanted to create reasonable doubt for my client(s), I would point out Davey's conflicting statements.
Most importantly in the context of defending someone accused of a breakin/home invasion along with a murder - I would emphasize the fact that Davey Blackburn has said and repeated numerous times since November 10, 2015 that he had no idea anyone had been in his house.
I would point out the fact that Davey Blackburn clearly did not indicate (my opinion) - or - must not have indicated (judging by IFD Engine 12 responding and no IMPD personnel showing up until they were requested by IFD Engine 12) - - to the 911 dispatcher that there had been a breakin / home invasion.
Why would the homeowner want to hide evidence of this, to the point that only the EMTs responded?
If there had been ANY inkling in the 911 dispatcher's mind that this might be a breakin / crime scene in addition to a homeowner down and needing medical assistance - - IMPD would've shown up.
If there had been any inkling in the 911 dispatcher's mind that the person who was injured and unconscious was actually a victim of an assault and beating and had teeth knocked out and massive bleeding from three gunshot wounds including a severe open traumatic head wound - and that her shirt was pulled up and her panties were off - - IMPD would've shown up.
I keep harping on this point over and over because this is one of the biggest red flags in the whole case - that combined with Davey Blackburn saying his first honest thought was that they had lost the baby, that something had gone wrong with the pregnancy, that she was twelve weeks pregnant but um.
I own my opinion and it is this, again - the fact that IMPD did not roll along with IFD Engine 12 means that on the 911 call Davey Blackburn (1) gave no evidence of a breakin with respect to mentioning things scattered around and out of place - and (2) gave no evidence that Amanda's injuries could have been caused by an intruder, even though the severity of them - the locations - the extent of the blood - the teeth knocked out - were clearly not the result of a simple fall - or a miscarriage.
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One can try to defend Davey's demeanor and almost absolute glee on his media blitz as "handling his wife's murder with the grace of God" or being strong for Weston.
One can try to ignore the unlocked front door and no dog barking and the fact that Davey was up at 4:30am but didn't leave for the gym until ~6:10am (usually was 5:30am like clockwork) and then talked to his friend on the driveway for almost an hour while Amanda was on the floor inside and then called 911 five minutes after his neighbor arrived home and found her house had been burglarized.
One can try to ignore the orchestrated dots the Lord is connecting which Davey carefully and consistently points out in his appearances, the carefully-prepared statement speaking of Amanda in the past tense which was released immediately upon the termination of her life, the constant parroting of the best is yet to come and nothing is wasted and her journal entries and prayers foreshadowing what would happen to her and indicating that she wanted what God wanted for her life. . .
... . but there is no way to refute the 911 call, should it show that Davey Blackburn hid the fact that his wife was far more than just "injured and unconscious" - - and should it show that Davey Blackburn did not mention the evidence of a struggle, evidence of an intruder (Swisher Sweet package on counter, evidence of assault to the 911 dispatcher.
The 911 call is being withheld because it is part of an active investigation - you bet your ass it is. My opinion.
I feel that Jalen Watson requested segregation for safety for himself and that he is talking. I believe Donae Mitchell will talk if she isn't already.What is written in the APC describing what Taylor "said" is hearsay because he "doesn't remember being there" - maybe he wasn't there at all.
Davey's helpfully pointing out that Larry Taylor "is the guy who actually pulled the trigger on Amanda" - how does he know - and Larry Taylor's (alleged) statement in the APC that said he shot Amanda because she charged at him and he didn't want to get scratched makes no sense whatsoever in the context of Amanda's injuries. That would only explain the left bicep gunshot or another front-entry wound - not the upper back and back of head gunshots (shooting someone in the back is cowardly, shooting someone in the back of the head up close is absolutely personal).
And if this was "just" a random breakin - or lucky walkin through the unlocked front door - burglars would've kept all of the credit card. Maybe they didn't want to take as much time as to take the TV off of the wall (although they hung out for a very long time in Alison Becker's residence eating oranges and drinking wine - until Davey left for the gym?) - but they would've grabbed all of the readily available and easily carried and hidden credit cards.
And the Swisher Sweet package could have been planted and this whole thing could've been staged. The thugs walk in, find Amanda and bug it out of there - and Davey was expecting to find Amanda NOT breathing instead of STILL breathing.
From DataLounge - (bolded mine)
And then there's this tweet less than a month before the murder:
daveyblackburn @daveyblackburn 18 Oct 2015
I had so much fun doing a Q&A alongside @AmandaGrace! I'm crazy about her!! I hope we have the 60+ more years to write our #LoveSong
—She Didn't Have 60 More Days
reply 268an hour ago
[R268] even if he had not plotted her murder, he was clearly lying about wanting her around for another 60 years... He obviously couldn't stand her.
—Anonymous
And she couldn't stand him either. The train station videos show an exceedingly unhappy individual on what was described as a "romantic getaway to Chicago" -- listening to her husband thunder on and on about guys having to DIE for their wives and that wives should submit to their husbands.
And this was befoer she was force-fed the Levi Lusko video which supposedly left both of them in tears on the train.
Wow what a fun weekend that must've been.
And the Q&A Love Song Week Six video wasn't all that much fun for Davey. That was the one where Amanda described their relationship as "honeymoon.OVER" the week after they got back from Mexico - and where she caught and called out Davey in a lie when he was talking about that couple who left Resonate and then wanted to come back.
Then again, he got to ridicule Amanda about the "butter" comment being over her head and he got to drop into her head / play with her mind that he knew ways to get around the internet filters she and Perry (or some other mentor / accountable person) had set up for him.
But it was clear in watching that whole thing that the dynamic between them was tense and stressed.
daveyblackburnIf your mornings don't look like this with a Bible, notebook, and a good book, you're missing out. #TakeTheDay
The tweet was accompanied by a pic of a cosy fire.
The problem with this post? It was posted on a Tiesday morning at about 7:30 am.
12 weeks prior to this cheery tweet, at 7:30 am, on Tuesday morning, Amanda lay dying on the floor of her home, half naked with a bullet in her head.
Her morning definitely didn't "look like this".
There is something so wrong with Davey Blackburn.
I think it is the insult, upon insult, added by crazy Davey, to the injury of Amanda's murder, that makes him so stomach churningly reprehensible. Words are inadequate to express my disgust.
I watched just a few minutes of Davey last sermon where Davey made fun of Weston for being constipated. He was walking around holding his bum, squeezing his legs together acting like a constipated Weston. He was hoping the ResKids volunteers would get the mess and fed Weston oatmeal before taking him there. He also said something like if you don't have problems in your marriage, then you just got married yesterday and why are you freakin' here at church if you did? He said because when you get home, the crap will hit the fan. Yikes! It was almost like he caught himself after he said that. First of all what pastor would say something like crap hit the fan and freakin'? You are basically making everyone think the awful words that you are really saying without saying. He is such a nut and the last few weeks he has appeared more manic. He was wearing a v-neck t-shirt that almost went down to his naval. It almost looked like he had some kind of oil on his chest. It is just so disturbing.
Also, why would you say that about marriage after losing your wife? So distasteful.
On the deception indicated page, I see the links about Amber's accounts of November 9th. I do think it is odd that in one account, they run errands after the Traders Point play date. In the second account, no mention of errands and they go straight to Maw Maw's house and play. Also, that Davey magically appears in one account but is nonexistent in another account. He suddenly appears at Maw Maw's and now they have only one car. Also, the Robin Byars quote about Amanda's last physical appearance makes no sense at all. That is an unsettling and perplexing thing to say. The other conflicting thing is Amber's account of going into Amanda's house 3 days after the murder. In one account, the glowing, beautiful tree is front and center. In the other account, there is no mention of a tree at all. Also, how can a tree be glowing in a house after a brutal, bloody scene like that. Also, Amber talks about the house being in perfect order. Everything in its perfect place. How? How is there a glowing tree and everything completely the way Amanda left it when there had been a brutal beating and close range execution. There had also been a cleaning crew in the house. So, who put everything back just as Amanda had left it? Who glued the lamp back together? Who placed all the furniture back in place? How did Amanda pack all the Christmas stuff up when she was no longer living? Yes, I agree with Bobcat, there is def storytelling going on but why?
"I told her I always win everything, but she made me promise to drive the speed limit so THAT I didn't cheat! So I did. And she beat me. When I pulled into Mamaw's driveway, she and Weston were jumping in a gigantic pile of leaves!"
The storytelling is to conceal what really happened on Monday.
"So I did" is to say 'Because I did'. 'Because Amanda knew that I cheat to always win.'
Amber is known to cheat to always win, similar to Davey giving a stiff arm to Grandma to make a TD, or knocking over the Risk board to avoid losing.
Davey has been aware of this about Amber for years, and used it to his advantage.
Amber regrets her inactions on Monday, but reporting the truth destroys her image, her life, her family's image, her family's life, everything.
No one had the balls to stand up to Davey. No one supported Amanda.
The image outweighed everything.
I hope that by this point, someone HAS talked to LE, and they are patiently waiting for them to get everything in order. They are doing the bare minimum of "promotion" so Davey thinks he still has them all in line with "the story".
I eagerly await the day the truth comes out and I will hit the delete button on Deception Indicated and the Blackburn Discussion blogs, to save the children from further pain.
Today, I am making chocolate chip cookies with extra sugar in them.
Enjoy the end of summer and the PSL season at Starbucks.
Have one for Amanda. Quietly, no photos or stupid tweets.
Buy one for the person behind you. Quietly.
>out
Bobcat wrote
I hope that by this point, someone HAS talked to LE, and they are patiently waiting for them to get everything in order. They are doing the bare minimum of "promotion" so Davey thinks he still has them all in line with "the story".
Someone should've talked to IMPD and FBI - and I think someone has - whether they've dialogued (as Davey said he would with Weston) long ago or recently or both. Seeing and hearing Davey's treatment of Weston might have spurred them to action - if they really love this little guy as much as they say and blog that they do, the thought of him growing up being ridiculed and mocked incessantly - as Amanda was- should make them want to extract him from that environment.
It is totally out of line for Davey to use his son's peeing and constipation for laughs from the stage and in blogs - totally out of line for him to discuss it with anyone but family or medical personnel if necessary. It should be private. How is Weston going to feel when he comes across on the internet what his dad said about him to a whole audience of people - when he was two? The trust will be completely gone.
Amber stated that while she was rushing around the house getting ready to leave for the hospital on Tuesday morning, she was talking on the phone to Gavin about how Amanda had been shot, you know - but according to Davey nobody knew that soon that there were gunshots and bullet wounds.
Bobcat or others, if Amanda was shot and disabled on Monday already - and Amber knew - that would / would that explain Amber's slip in the podcast?
It HAS to be hard for these people to keep straight what they've said to whom and where and in which venue or podcast - and to keep straight what they've written on Facebook and Instagram and Twitter and in blog posts compared to their spoken words.
if Amanda was shot and disabled on Monday already - and Amber knew - that would / would that explain Amber's slip in the podcast?
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Amber:
The morning that it happened, I remember leaving the house, and, I have no idea what was said, because we were like. I was just, panicking, and I’m calling Gavin and I’m telling him things over the phone about, her being shot, and, you know, things that I don’t know if I’d ever say in front- I would never say in front of my kids, but I didn’t even know who was around. I didn’t really care. And I remember Audrey, just, running up to me and I was sitting on the couch and I was like, we were trying to get out of the house and she just was hugging me, and she said ‘Mom, what happened?’ and I said ‘You just have to pray for Aunt Amanda.
You just have to pray she’s gonna be OK.’ And I remember walking through the living room, and Reagan’s like, on her ipad. She’s like ‘See ya, Mom. Bye Mom.’ And I remember, like, even just looking back thinking like how unaware she was."
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"The morning that it happened, I remember leaving the house, and, I have no idea what was said, because we were like."
The broken sentence indicates self-censoring. She also says "we" instead of I before censoring herself. Is it possible that Amber, like Davey, expected Amanda to be dead and not still breathing Tuesday morning?
This is the point of the story where Davey admits he felt the most out of control in his life.
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Another interesting bit is the timing of the Byars podcast tapings. The Byars podcasts were all taped Mother's Day weekend following the publishing of the Byars transcripts, speculation about what happened November 9, and a lot of comment activity (hit dog hollering) on this SA board around 5/8/17.
Davey has a very strong need to persuade at the beginning of the podcast that he is excited to have a dynamic conversation that he loves so much with Amber and Robin.
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2017/07/52017-nothing-is-wasted-podcast-parts-1.html
Perry Noble also posted #Dontgiveup twice that week.
When Amber fabricates stories about Amanda, she becomes Aunt/IE AmandIE, and she puts the invented conversation in the mouth of her daughter.
After the prisoner on his knees story was exposed as likely fake, Amber tried selling the story of Audrey's salvation. Yet she contradicted herself on the podcast as to when Audrey got saved.
When did Aunt AmandA become Aunt AmandIE in storytelling?
The story about driving away from the park on Nov. 9, and the story of Audrey's salvation.
As with the details in Davey's story/description of the morning of November 1i0th, the details in the story of Audrey's salvation (when it happened, how it happened, where it happened, who was there, what she said, etc) should be always consistent. They are not.
http://www.eyesforlies.com/blog/2015/11/david-and-amanda-blackburn/
This is a comment on an Eyes for Lies post from November 30, 2015 - almost 22 months old now but still pertinent, for it speaks to people who keep saying Davey was cleared - paragraph spaces added to make it easier to read, the bolded part is because I never thought about this before.
I wasn't claiming any serious behind-the-scenes knowledge.** It's a common police tactic to tell people they're cleared, or to tell the public the same. Police certainly don't advertise their every theory, and anyway (as you mention) IMPD said the husband was 'cleared' absurdly fast, well before they even found the suspects to ensure he hadn't HIRED them.
Hell, I think CA police even told Scott Peterson he was cleared at one point. It's just calming BS until the investigation is done.
**I do work with several IMPD detectives (not homicide) in my job, and their laugh-out-loud reactions at the notion of him yet being truly 'cleared' is all the reassurance I need.
IMPD wanted the public to know (and the news reporter emphasized the point that IMPD wanted him to get across to the listeners) that they had cleared Davey 100%, no, 150% - - way before they had anyone else even in their sights, much less had found them to arrest them - so how could they know he hadn't hired a hit if they hadn't even caught the alleged thugs to question them.
Just being seen on camera at the gym and being on the phone with Kenneth Wagner proves nothing. And whatever happened to the gun that was found on a nearby lawn and picked up and taken to the fire department instead of the finder calling IMPD about it?
All of the comments below the writeup are very interesting to read.
I just wish the police had done a one on one taped interview with Davey. I think that should just be protocol. With such a severe, up close and personal beating of the victim, this crime screamed out that it was done by someone close to the victim. Davey was very smart in how he had this play out, but I think he would have done terribly with a police interview. Just think about the GMA interview where even being asked fluff and puff questions, he still showed deception. Also, the one hard question I saw him being asked about the front door being unlocked, he basically blamed it on Amanda. He would have failed a polygraph also. I understand if they were trying to make him think he was not on their radar, but I think they could have caught him early on with just an interview. Why did you leave the gym late and only stay 30 minutes. Tell us in detail everything you did from 4:30-6:10. Tell us in detail everything you did on Monday. Why did you use a gun as a sermon illustration? They also should have tested him for gun residue and ask him about the cut below his lip. They shouldn't have released the house back that quickly. Did they do a search on his computer (or was that the one conveniently stolen that morning) Why didn't they ask him why he didn't request police when it was an obvious crime scene. Here we are two years later and Davey has gotten to live the life of his dreams and there has still been no justice for Amanda. It is very frustrating to me.
^ ^ ^ this ^ ^ ^ - yes to all of it.
Davey was very smart in how he had this play out, but I think he would have done terribly with a police interview.
He has said a couple of times that "investigators" talked to him at the hospital (he was annoyed that they came in asking questions) and we know from the APC that Detective Perkins talked to him decently early that morning.
I bet he did do terribly with these interviews and that was why he was cleared so quickly - they knew he was behind it somehow -they would've known after the 911 call - and since then there have been other entities connecting the dots all this time (I mean not the Lord, as Davey always points out when things conveniently add up or fall into place).
Why didn't they ask him why he didn't request police when it was an obvious crime scene.
I believe THIS is why he has to keep saying he had no idea anyone had been in his house - because the 911 call is going to come out eventually and during it, he didn't request police to come to an obvious crime scene or give any indication that it was a home invasion.
He slipped up when he mentioned to Detective Perkins that the Swisher Sweet package shouldn't be in their residence. DOH !
That fact alone is documented forever in the APC and that fact alone would indicate to IMPD and FBI that he knew something was in their residence that wasn't theirs, that didn't belong to them, that was out of place ---> so how did it get there---> clear evidence that someone other than Amanda and Weston and Davey had been in his house that morning.
But no mention to 911 dispatcher of something being on the counter that didn't belong to them, obviously? - otherwise certainly this 911 dispatcher would've sent IMPD instead of IFD having to call them.
And to whoever might say maybe Davey didn't see the Swisher Sweet package in his shock and confusion - while he was taking mental snapshots of all of the things that were out of place so he could tell investigators later - which is another slip up if he is really going to cling to the "I had no idea anyone had been in my house" story -- even without the Swisher Sweet package, seeing the furniture turned over and the items scattered around on the floor and landing and the extent of Amanda's beating and bleeding and injuries and the fact that she was partially unclothed would have made him know there's no way this was an accident.
I know for sure that I keep repeating this over and over and over and over and over - but it is so clear cut if one thinks about it. The 911 call is key - the fact that only EMTs were dispatched makes it crystal clear that Davey was evading IMPDs arrival for as long as possible. And this is why I think they've been onto Davey from the beginning and it's just taking time to be sure all is in order.
Why wouldn't a husband who walked in from the gym and was surprised to find his wife partially unclothed and severely beaten with teeth knocked out and bleeding from multiple, some of them massively traumatic injuries (even if he really didn't know there were gunshots as he claims) AND his property strewn about - know that someone had been in his house to do this to his wife?
Davey's continued claims that he had no idea anyone had been in his house do not help implicate the ones in custody. They do help implicate him.
Because if the thugs weren't in his house - because he had no idea anyone had been in his house - then who was? He was. Who else was? - who also knew Amanda was in the condition she was in - or helped get her into that condition? We don't yet know for sure.
Patience. It is frustrating to so many of us. It helps to discuss it and the more discussion, the more chance that the truth will come to light. Davey's life of dreams is not going to last forever - and I think he senses this and is cramming as much travel and speaking and whatever other activities into his life as he can while he is free to do so.
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