Thursday, October 7, 2021

Statement Analysis: Morphew Arrest Affidavit by Paul Maillardet


Statement Analysis:

Excerpt from Barry Morphew’s Arrest Affidavit

For the alleged murder of his wife Suzanne Morphew

 

Suzanne Morphew, 49, disappeared without trace on Mother’s Day, Sunday May 10th 2020. 

 

Her husband, Barry Lee Morphew, was arrested and charged with her murder on 5th of May 2021, almost a year afterwards. Suzanne’s body has not been found, and the evidence submitted is therefore circumstantial. 

 

Morphew was held in custody until being released on 20th September 2021 on a $500,000 cash bond until his trial, set to begin on 3rd May 2022. The arrest affidavit was released on the same day as Barry Morphew was released.

 

What follows a short analysis of an excerpt from Page 82 of 131 selected from the wider analysis of the document.

 

The analysis will be centred specifically on the exchange between Morphew and his interviewers detailed below. It will not make reference any supporting evidence that has been presented within the affidavit, nor speculation around that information. 

 

The focus therefore is purely on any linguistic evidence that may reveal itself using statement analysis.

 

As always, the presumption is that the subject is innocent, only their words can talk them out of that position.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Interview Excerpt

 

Special Agent Grusing: Barry said that he did not want to fight with Suzanne because of her cancer. He added, “The next night it would be like nothing ever happened. And she’d be wonderful, she’d make love”.

 

Barry added, “We had a great night that Saturday before. We made love that night. There, there was nothing that happened at 2:30. I mean, I looked back. Nothing. We grilled, I grilled steak at probably five, six. We ate dinner. Went to bed. We made love.

 

He added, “I always fall asleep right away because I’m dead tired from, from work. Surely, she stayed up, but I don’t know (shaking his head). I don’t know if she stayed up or went somewhere, and texted, or did something.” SA Grusing asked where they had sex and Barry answered, “In the bed, in the master bedroom.”

 

 

Analysis

 

Special Agent Grusing: Barry said that he did not want to fight with Suzanne because of her cancer.

 

Morphew begins by saying that in general he did not want to fight with Suzanne and attributes this to her having cancer. 

 

Within the affidavit as a whole the questions by the investigators are explained, so it is not possible to exclude that Morphew may parrot or use certain language introduced by the interviewer. The quotes from Morphew are from the recorded interviews throughout the document.

 

With that said, the shortest answer is often the best, ie. ‘I did not want to fight with Suzanne’, would have been sufficient. By reportedly adding ‘because of her cancer’, he wishes to project that he is a good, considerate person. More importantly, he wishes to convey on that day he was exactly that character. If there was an altercation, contrary to what he is telling us, he is saying it could not have been his fault as he did not want to fight. This may well speak to personality, potentially someone who wishes to shift the blame, or refuses to accept it.

 

We are told he did not want to fight. If relayed by the investigator here, Morphew doesn’t use a contraction, ie. ‘didn’t’ but instead could have used ‘did not’. It is not possible without access to the recorded answer to know this, but if ‘did not’ was actually used then lack of contraction can signal a need to make a point.

 

Morphew does not say he didn’t fight. ‘Did not’ was his intention. He does not say they did not have a fight before or on the day in question after which Suzanne was not heard from again. This would not make Morphew a killer, but it opens the possibility there were marital issues and there were arguments.

 

He added, “The next night it would be like nothing ever happened. And she’d be wonderful, she’d make love”.

 

Morphew provides context of their more recent relationship, saying the following day things would be fine again. Interestingly, he signals the onus was on Suzanne and not on him – ‘she’d be wonderful’, ‘she’d make love’. He also associates her mood by her giving him sex, and attributing the act to her, not both of them by using the pronoun ‘we’. 

 

(The interview/affidavit shifts to the day in question prior to Suzanne’s disappearance)

 

Barry added, “We had a great night that Saturday before. We made love that night

 

Here, Morphew uses the ‘we’ to convey unity on the Saturday. However, he breaks the rule of economy by his need to separate into two sentences what he could have said in one, and this suggests he has a need to emphasise that unity and togetherness. 

 

He tells us they had a ‘great night that Saturday before.’ If Morphew was not responsible for Suzanne’s disappearance then there is the consideration he may be looking back with fondness with the great night and making love, but the need to emphasise is unexpected. 

 

If Morphew has had involvement, then the need to persuade it was a great night introduces the ‘normal factor’, that it was a normal day like any other, arguably here even better than normal. This can be found in deceptive statements, and here it is noted and set aside to look for other possible indicators, if present. 

 

Morphew continues to say that Saturday ‘before’, but he does not say ‘before’ what? If a subject had guilty knowledge of something they may not finish a sentence, which serves the purpose of distancing themselves psychologically from that event, and also leaves the interviewer, listener or reader to fill in the blanks. In this case, if Morphew has involvement that then omission could be all the more poignant, in that with no body there is no definitive cause. With no cause, there would be no specific event to relay as here, but he says nothing, not even ‘before she disappeared’.

 

Morphew repeats in two sentences ‘that’ Saturday and ‘that’ night. If Suzanne went missing on her bike on Sunday, he does not reference it, but instead distances himself by the use of ‘that’ (distant - as opposed to ‘this’ - close). Its repetition opens-up the possibility that it was this day that he is more psychologically present in linguistically, rather than what the day of Suzanne’s alleged disappearance, a day he does not take us to here.

 

There, there was nothing that happened at 2:30

 

Again, we can’t say this was not part of the interviewer’s question relating to the time he provided here. However, if this time was offered freely as appears to be the case, this time is extremely significant to him, and to us, especially when combined to his stuttering over ‘there’ which signals this is even more sensitive to him.

 

Even if asked about this specific time, Morphew tells us what didn’t happen, rather than what did at 2:30. When a subject says what didn’t happen in an account, it is sensitive and it is significant. Combined with potentially this being offered with the timeframe is a significant flag.

 

2:30 is highly likely to be the timeframe for the fight.

 

I mean, I looked back. Nothing.”

 

Morphew then has a need to persuade nothing happened when it is unnecessary. ‘Looked’ rather than ‘thought’ back is more sensory and potentially places the individually more strongly at that point.

 

We grilled, I grilled steak at probably five, six.”

 

Morphew moves his account quickly two and a half to three and a half hours. This is missing time from when ‘nothing happened’. This whole time period, and time itself, is very important to Morphew.

 

He changes his account from ‘we’ to ‘I’ – pronouns are instinctive, and where there is omission or confusion this part of his account should be questioned.

 

Although emphatic nothing happened at 2:30, after a period he doesn’t account for, he provides a vague time of ‘five, six’. Dinner time is not something that is set or remembered, but for someone who had accurate recall earlier, and for whom this was by his account the final meal with his wife, this experience could arguably be one that should be engrained in his mind.

 

If steak was grilled, or if this is not what happened, Morphew’s use of the word ‘grilled’ is something that could leak through in his language, especially in context of that day. In the context of an argument, and his change to the singular ‘I grilled’, consider that there may have been a heated argument between them, and that Morphew was grilling his wife about something, something he needed to know, something she may have been keeping from him, or told him that day that he wanted to know everything about. He was not asking; it was not a conversation. The ‘we’ becomes an ‘I’ and could suggest Morphew was demanding answers. If so, this was likely a flashpoint that day.

 

We ate dinner. Went to bed. We made love.”

 

Here there is an extreme need to persuade there was a ‘we’ over dinner, bed and making love. He could have said ‘We ate dinner, went to bed and made love’. By breaking the rule of economy, he demonstrates further need to persuade this happened and there was unity. 

 

Where unity is missing is with his omission of ‘we’ in relation to ‘went to bed’. By his account we can’t say they went to bed, or went bed to make love.

 

More importantly, he does not say they went to sleep. Going to bed does not mean either or both went to sleep.

 

He added, “I always fall asleep right away because I’m dead tired from, from work. Surely, she stayed up, but I don’t know (shaking his head). I don’t know if she stayed up or went somewhere, and texted, or did something.”

 

Morphew states that he ‘always’ falls asleep right away. He does not say if his did that night. This is something that can be found in the accounts of deceptive people. If he doesn’t tell us what he actually did that night, it must be considered he did not, and should be questioned. 

 

He then uses an unfortunately turn of phrase ‘dead’ tired which, whilst in context, does not sit well in correlation with a potential altercation and his wife’s disappearance. 

 

The use of the word ‘Surely’ is often used to convince; however, the opposite is often the case. Here he contradicts himself with the word ‘but’, “but I don’t know” and goes on to tell us what he didn’t know what she may have done. He floats the possibility that Suzanne may have not been with him when he went to sleep. This passage is very unlikely to be a truthful account.

 

It is, however, interesting to note that amongst saying Suzanne may have stayed up or went somewhere he randomly mentions ‘and texted’. Of all the things she could have done, going downstairs for a drink, watching tv etc., he chooses ‘and texted’.

 

Consider that her texting and her mobile may be very significant to that day and/or evening.

 

SA Grusing asked where they had sex and Barry answered, “In the bed, in the master bedroom.”

 

The expected response here would be ‘in our bedroom’ or ‘our room’. Unexpectedly here, Morphew distances himself by using ‘the’ bed – this could be psychological distancing from ‘the’ bed and ‘the’ room if something happened there. It also points to distancing in their relationship on that point or that day that, even now, he is unable to separate himself from. This would have been the last day they were together.

 

He also feels the need to say where the bed is “in the master bedroom”. The additional information is unnecessary and therefore valuable.  Location here is sensitive to him. This bed, or a bed, is also sensitive to him.

 

Conclusion

 

The subject is deceptive here.

The time period around 2:30 on the Saturday is likely when an altercation started.

The subject skips over time from that period.

He does not say she went to bed. 

He does not say he went to bed.

His mentioning of texting, and therefore her mobile is sensitive to him, and is likely significant to that day.

60 comments:

Anonymous said...

"it would be like nothing ever happened"

By using the word "would" the subject avoids saying "it WAS like nothing happened".

This is his linguistic distancing and an indication of deception.

Anonymous said...

OT

I remember this blog had SA on Mark Redwine, missing boy Dylan's dad, a few years back.
Now that the truth has come out, I am sure no one could have imagined the depravity of this "man".
RIP Dylan.

Anonymous said...

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The mother of a four-year-old girl missing in Western Australia's Gascoyne region says she woke on Saturday morning to find the zip of the tent open and her daughter gone.Cleo woke up at 1.30 and wanted a drink of water," Ms Smith said.I got her some water. She went to bed.I checked on Isla, made sure Isla was OK. I got back in bed and that was it really, we went back to sleep, woke up to Isla wanting a bottle.
"As we passed the divider, I went into the other room and the zipper was open. Cleo was gone and that was about it for Saturday morning until everything started."
The family said Cleo's sleeping bag was also missing when they woke at 6am.
She had been sleeping on a mattress in one room of the tent with Isla in a cot next to her.Ellie Smith and her partner Jake Gliddon were on a blow-up mattress in a room next to them."She was gone. The tent was completely open. It was about 30cm from open,I turned to Jake and said, 'Cleo's gone'We went looking, trekking, making sure she wasn't around the tent.Then we got in the car and started driving around everywhere.We grew up here, we literally grew up 100 metres from where we stayed at the same age. So we just looked everywhere that we went as kids and we couldn't find her.We realised we had to call the cops because she wasn't here.Ms Smith described what she was thinking at the time.Where is she, she needs breakfast, what is she doing? Everything's going through my head.

stressed said...

OT part2
Ms Smith described her daughter as "beautiful" and "delicate".She has the biggest heart.She is just so funny.She loves rocks. She collects rocks. She loves make-up and dressing up, every day [she] wants to wear a princess dress.She's beautiful, so sweet, she's everything you'd want in a little girl to grow up. Ms Smith and Mr Gliddon want anyone with any information or who saw anything to contact police."If you see something, report it.It doesn't matter if it's small or big or if you're sure or not we want our little girl home.Someone knows where Cleo is'
She said Cleo was not the sort of child to wander off on her own, and did not even leave her side when they walked to the shops. She's lazy when it comes to walking. She won't ride her bike very far. All she wants to do is go in the bottom of our pram,She would never leave us, she would never leave the tent. When she left she was wearing a jumpsuit. She can't go to the toilet without my help unzipping it. She would come and get me, just like she did for her water.Ms Smith said she believed someone knew where Cleo was. Someone has to. It's been four days — they have to [know],We hold hope that she's here, because if I think about her being taken [and] it's pretty, you know, a million other things cross our mind.Days of searching for Cleo 'horrendous'We haven't really slept. We've had so much family help us, support us.Everyone asks us what what we need and all we need is our little girl home."
Asked what she thought had happened to her daughter, Ms Smith said she did not know.
"No idea. There's probably a million things that I've thought of and everyone else and as everyone tells us they are searching every angle that we probably have thought of," she said.The worst part is, we can't do anything more. It's out of our hands so we feel hopeless and out of control.We sit and watch the sand dunes and we just think she's going to run down it and back into our arms, but we're still waiting,How I'm feeling is how I never want any mother to feel with her child."
We've got people everywhere. We're going to find her. We have to.Cleo, who attends St Mary's Star of the Sea Catholic School in Carnarvon, was "strong from the day she was born"I know she can get through whatever she's going through,She'd be terrified, she'd be so scared."

Anonymous said...

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The missing girl in South Australia, Parents interview
https://www.kidspot.com.au/news/the-zipper-was-open-missing-wa-girl-cleo-smiths-mum-speak-for-the-first-time/news-story/8a92445dce32c1030d93fc0b056c809b

John Mc Gowan said...

OT Update:

Husband of missing mother-of-three Maya Millete arrested in her murder nine months later

The husband of May ‘Maya’ Millete, who was last seen alive at the start of the year, has been taken into custody in connection with her killing.

Larry Millete’s arrest on Tuesday comes nine months after Maya, 39, vanished. She allegedly disappeared the day she scheduled an appointment to meet with a divorce attorney.

‘Today, the Chula Vista Police Department is announcing the arrest of Larry Millete for the murder of his wife, May,’ Chula Vista Police stated on Tuesday.

In July, Larry was named as a person of interest in his wife’s disappearance. She was last seen by her father on January 7, two days before the Chula Vista family was going on a trip for her daughter’s birthday, NBC News reported.

https://metro.co.uk/2021/10/19/husband-of-missing-mom-of-three-maya-millete-arrested-for-her-murder-15452033/

Hey Jude said...

Transcript: Mother and Stepfather interview
Cleo Smith, missing four year old, AUS

Mother: ….yeah, off course - um. So, Friday night - um - we came, obviously, to the blowholes um, we got here about uh six-thirty, or it was just before dark - we were able to put the tent up, and the gazebo up - um, get everything ready for both the girls so then they could - um - go to bed, um, we - made them dinner - uh, Cleo, she went to bed, - um, Uh probably about eight o’clock, um, and little one had dinner - she went to bed, we had dinner, we went to bed - um - - that was about it - we - went to sleep, um - Cleo woke up at one thirty and wanted a drink of water - um - I got up, got her some water - and yeah, she went to bed - um I checked on Isla, made sure Isla was okay, um, I got back in bed, and um, that was it really - we - went back to sleep - um - woke up to Isla wanting a bottle um - as we passed the divider, um, like I went into the other room an’ - um - the zipper was open - Cleo was gone. Um - and that was about it for - Saturday morning until everything h - everything started.

Reporter: The zipper to the outside?

Mother: Yeah.

Reporter: And you mentioned Cleo was gone, so you looked down and -

Mother: Yeah, sorry - um - basically how the tent was - we had - um Cleo was on a mattress, um and our little baby was in a cot right next to her. We had a divider, and then we were on a floor mattress as well, um and - yeah, sh-she was gone, um - the - the tent was completely um, open - it was about thirty centimetres from being open an’, I mean, I turn around to Jake an’ an’ I just said like, “Cleo’s gone.”.

Reporter: What happened from there?

Mother: Um, well - basically we were like, obviously, we went an’ like - we went looking, checking, making sure like, you know, she wasn’t around the tent - um - and then we, we got in the car like, you know, driving around, everywhere , we could be - we grew up here, um, we literally grew up - you know, hun - probably like a hundred metres from literally where our tent was we stayed at the same age, um, so we - we just looked everywhere that we went as kids, and um, we couldn’t find her, um, and - and then, then we realised like - we - we have to like, we have to call the cops, she’s not here. And then um, yeah, w-we called the cops and then it just all went into motion.

Reporter: What was going through your mind at that time?

Mother: Everything. Um, uh, mm - um, part of - part of me was thinking like, you know like, “Where is she? She needs - she needs breakfast. She” You know like, you know, like “What - what’s she doing?” - I just - everything, everything was going through - my head

Reporter: It’s been four days now - tell me about the last four days.

Mother: They’ve been horrendous. Um, We haven’t really slept, um, we’ve had so much family help us, um, and support us, um, but, you know like, everyone asks us, like, “What - what do you need?” and really all we need is our little girl home.

Reporter: What do you think has happened to Cleo?

Mother: I don’t know- and I wish I did. No idea. There’s probably a million things that I have thought of, and everyone else mm, you know has, everyone tells us, you know, they’ve, they’re searching every angle that we probably have thought of - umm - yeah, I guess the worst part is like we’ve - we can’t do anything more - we - it’s out of our hands, so we just feel hopeless and out of control.

Hey Jude said...

Reporter: Can you tell me about Cleo?

Mother: oh, G-od - um, yeah - she’s beautiful, delicate, she um, has like the biggest heart- she um - she’s so funny - - she loves rocks - she collects rocks, um - she loves makeup and dressing up - she, you know- every day wants to wear a princess dress - um - she’s beautiful, she’s so sweet, um - yeah, she’s everything that you’d want in a little girl to - grow up an’ - yeah.

Reporter: What’s the information you would like to get out there and what would you like to ask people to do?

Mother: No, like, like we - we get inundated with people messaging us saying like - you know, “Maybe we’ve seen her here”, “Maybe we’ve seen her there” and -

Stepfather: Just report it.

Mother: Report it. It’s like all we can ask you to do - because we can’t do anything, you know. If you see something, report it - it doesn’t matter if it’s small or big or if you you’re sure or not, like - we want our little girl home an’ -

Stepfather: Just anything report it, yeah

Reporter: People have mentioned that Cleo is perhaps not the kind of child who would wander off.

Stepfather: No

Mother: She isn’t - she would never. She, she wouldn’t leave my side if I’m walking in the shops. I mean, I live five minutes from the shops, she won’t even walk that far - she’s um -

Stepfather: Pretty lazy

Mother: Yeah. She’s - she’s lazy when it comes to walking - she won’t ride her bike very far ‘cause she - all she wants to do is just go in the bottom of our pram, an’ she would never leave us - she would never leave the - tent, um - she’s wearing - when she left she was wearing um a jumpsuit, and she can’t, like - she can’t go to the toilet without my help um unzipping it and going an’- she would come get me just like she did with her water - she would um, she would never leave that tent alone.

Reporter: Do you think someone knows where Cleo is?

Mother: Someone has to, it’s been four days. And - yeah - they have to.

Reporter: Do you fear someone has taken her?

Mother: We hold hope that, you know, she’s here - because if I think about her being taken it’s pretty, you know, a million other things cross our mind, um - but - I mean, that’s why everyone else has their - has their job, because that’s what they’re here to do, to find her.

Reporter: Can you tell me about that massive search, because you’ve seen it taking place.

Mother: Everyone’s doing everything they can

Stepfather: Everything they can, yeah

Mother: - um. I mean, we sit and watch it every day and - all night, ‘n

Stepfather: Yeah, it’s going day and night, you can see ‘em out there

Mother: It’s - it’s going, and we’re just - yeah, we’re just watching it happen - um, like, they’re being amazing updating us, but, y’know every time we get a call we just always think like this is

Hey Jude said...

our call that she’s home, this is that call that you know - we sit there, we sit and watch sand dunes and we just think that she’s just gonna run down it and, like - back into our arms but - we’re still waiting.

Reporter: How are you feeling right now?

Mother: How I’m feeling is how I never want anyone - any mother to feel with their child.

Reporter: How do you imagine Cleo might be feeling?

Stepfather: Scared.

Mother: Terrified.

Reporter: And you have quite a support from the community and family?

Stepfather: Yeah - they’ve both been great,

Mother: The community’s been amazing, our family’s been amazing - we’ve got a huge, huge support system with our family, um - we’ve still got people flying here - um

Stepfather: All the community are offering to help -

Mother: No, the community’s been amazing - we’ve got people everywhere- um, n’ we’re gonna find her - we have to.

Reporter: Can you tell me a little about your family, with the four of you? You live in Caernarvon - you’ve gone on camping trips - have these kids all been through some of that?

Mother: Ah, well, this - this was our baby’s first camping trip

Stepfather: For a seven month old baby

Mother: It was brand new tent - um first time we’d used it so obviously we were trying’a - work out all the flaws that could come with it but this was never-

Stepfather: We didn’t expect this

Mother: - something we ever thought would’ve happen.

Reporter: And what do you like to do, the four of you, to spend time together?

Mother: Go fishing, camping,

Stepfather: The beach

Mother: Beach. Cleo’s uh, terrified of the water - she doesn’t go into the ocean - loves the pool, but ocean not so much.

Stepfather: Sandcastles and playing in the sand

Mother: Yeah - she’ll play in the sand

Stepfather: And she’s learning to ride her bike without her training wheels, we brought that up

Mother: We brought her bike so then she could, um, ride around basically, where we all grew up, so she was gunna um, yeah learn, keep learning t’ride with no trainer wheels, or as she calls them, stabilisers.

Reporter: Is work and school in Caernarvon?

Mother: Yeah, I work in town at the beauty salon, and Jake works at [?] - Cleo goes to school, um, at St Mary’s

Reporter: What’s giving the two of you hope right now?

Mother: I know she’s strong. Um, Cleo was born eight weeks early, she was premature, and she’s been strong from the day she was born - so I know she can get through whatever she’s going through.

Reporter: For people keeping an eye out, can you tell me what does Cleo look like, and what was she wearing?

Mother: she’s um, fair skinned, Uh, quite skinny - slim, um, honey blonde hair, hazel eyes, um, just beautiful. Um, she - she probably wouldn’t really look comfortable or - she’d be terrified, she’d be so scared, um -

Reporter: If someone does know where Cleo is and isn’t providing that information, what would be your message to them?

Stepfather: Please tell someone

Mother: Just report it. What if it was your child, and someone knew and didn’t say something?

Stepfather: Any news can help

Reporter: And just lastly - the last four days you’ve been sort of here just waiting on any news and - ?

Mother: Yes - we’ve been close by - we haven’t left. We’re just here waiting - waiting for her to come home so we could take her home.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6EAr0lr_RY


Hey Jude said...
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Anonymous said...


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Cleo Smith
Missing in Australia

From interview transcript in comments above.


Mother: She isn’t - she would never. She, she wouldn’t leave my side if I’m walking in the shops. I mean, I live five minutes from the shops, she won’t even walk that far - she’s um -

Stepfather: Pretty lazy

Mother: Yeah. She’s - she’s lazy when it comes to walking - she won’t ride her bike very far ‘cause she - all she wants to do is just go in the bottom of our pram, an’ she would never leave us - she would never leave the - tent, um - she’s wearing - when she left she was wearing um a jumpsuit...

---"pretty lazy" disparagement of victim by step father, amended by mom?

..."when she left".... hasn't Peter addressed this use of leave and left in his SA?

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Anonymous said...

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Cleo

Yes, Hey Jude, the new tent is quite a coincidence.
Almost seems as if they are blaming the tent's "flaws"

It was brand new tent - um first time we’d used it so obviously we were trying’a - work out all the flaws that could come with it but this was never-

Stepfather: We didn’t expect this

Mother: - something we ever thought would’ve happen.

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As a mom, at 1:30. AM I would have asked Cleo if she needed to go to the bathroom after giving drink, that would make sense to do, since going to the bathroom was not simple. Not mentioned.

Cleo is an ex-premie, so calling her "lazy" might be viewed as especially unfair, she may be late bloomer.

Also, mention of bringing bike, possibly to paint themselves in good light. Seems like a very strange place to learn to ride a bike, not paved.

And yes, strange to look where they went as kids, why would they think Cleo would happen to be there?

Mom constantly wipes away tears that are not easily visible.

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Anonymous said...

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Cleo

Parents reportedly waited 4 hours to call police, after discovering her gone, knowing that the sleeping bag was missing as well.
That was a long time, certainly.
It was a big sleeping bag for a wee girl to be dragging around rough terrain.
And they said she would never leave on her own.
Why wait so long to contact police, given these facts?
Fellow campers reportedly helped search with motorbikes and drones.
Crime scene compromised.
The parents had already seen the open screen door of tent and known about its position since 6 AM, this fact seems to have been introduced only later to investigation, though apparent immediately.

frommindtomatter said...

Thanks for the transcript Hey Jude. Are there any witnesses who can confirm Cleo was actually at the campsite?

“we were able to put the tent up, and the gazebo up - um, get everything ready for [both] the girls so then they could - um - go to bed,”

In her statement we see the mother is comparing the girls via her inclusion of the word “both”. If you remove the word “both” from her statement you have – “get everything ready for the girls”. That would identify and group the girls together. Something has caused her to separate and compare them. Extra words take extra effort so we know that for the mother to include the extra word “both” it is important to her, and it will have been automatically added based off her knowledge.

Some examples:

A man tells his friend he went to town with his wife –

“We went to town on Saturday” – or – “We [both] went to town on Saturday”

A salesman selling a product –

“This machine washes and dries” or “This machine [both] washes and dries”

In the examples something has caused the speakers to add the extra word “both” into their later statement. In the first example it is likely the man does not always go to town with his wife. His mind is comparing the instances of him going alone against when they go together and as on this occasion they went together it has marked the event with the word “both”.

The salesman in his first statement tells us what the machine does, but in the second statement he uses the word “both” which tells us he is comparing something. We can deduce that when he speaks, he is in his mind is comparing a machine which “washes and dries” against another one which does only one function.

Back to the mother –

“get everything ready for [both] the girls so then they could - um - go to bed,”

We know from the word “both” that there is a comparison going on. We also know that this comparison is connected to “getting everything ready for “both” the girls. This means she is comparing getting things ready for one girl against another. It is possible there is a legit reason for her use of “both”, but also there is a possibility that there was only one girl there, and she is comparing that thought against there being two.

Adrian.

Anonymous said...

Missing girl Cleo in Australia From the transcript of Hey Jude.
"I checked on Isla, made sure Isla was okay" It is unnecessary to add "made sure Isla was okay" it sounds like someone trying to make themselves look like a good mother.

we - went back to sleep - um - woke up to Isla wanting a bottle um - as we passed the divider, um, like I went into the other room an’ - um - the zipper was open - Cleo was gone.

The most important part of the statement has no pronoun. "We" went back to sleep (showing unity with the partner) um - woke up, who woke up? It is not clear who woke up.


As "we" passed the divider" unity with the partner. Did they both pass the divider at the same time? um zipper was open - Cleo was gone. why assume "gone"? there is so much finality to the word "gone". why not say the Zipper was open and I could'nt see Cleo?


"we just looked everywhere that we went as kids" where is everywhere? inside the tent, outside, around the camp area, toilets, neighbouring tents. It is a very confusing statement. Also she calls Cleo "Delicate" unusual choice of words.

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Adrian
LE says Cleo confirmed at campsite by CCTV

Cleo Smith
Missing person
Cleo search: WA Police reveal how they placed missing girl near Blowholes camping ground before disappearance

https://thewest.com.au/news/cleo-smith/cleo-search-wa-police-reveal-how-they-placed-cleo-near-blowholes-camping-ground-prior-to-disappearance-ng-b882048006z

frommindtomatter said...

Anonymous said...

"Adrian

LE says Cleo confirmed at campsite by CCTV "

Thanks for the info, it gives greter context to the situation.

Adrian.

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OT:

Alec Baldwin's 'Rust' movie 911 call released


https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-rust-movie-911-call-released?cmpid=fb_fnc&fbclid=IwAR1j_bjTDxi5MZXRIFtFcbwDafzDWDXNZc9v4R0V2a2GfiHBVaCy37GQMqY

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"I got back in bed, and um, that was it really – we - went back to sleep - um – (X) woke up to Isla wanting a bottle um –"
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"that was it really" seeks to squelch any questions about whether something else happened after she got back in to bed.

The dropped pronoun before "woke up to Isla wanting a bottle" indicates no personal commitment to the statement.

What else happened overnight?
Was mother awakened more than once?
Did mother get any sleep after giving water to Cleo?

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"when she left she was wearing um a jumpsuit, and she can’t, like - she can’t go to the toilet without my help um unzipping it and going an’-"
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Was mother kept awake to help with Cleo's jumpsuit zipper?
Was there a problem with a zipper?
Did someone else help Cleo with her zipper?
Did Cleo try to manage her own zipper?

Anonymous said...

OT Cleo on CCTV

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10124997/Fresh-lead-hunt-missing-Cleo-car-sighting.html

Another major piece of evidence police received is Cleo's voice being heard on CCTV footage near the beach shacks a day before she disappeared.

The development is significant because it rules out any suspicious the child was never brought to the camping ground by her parents.

'It was just after they arrived, it's motion-sensitive so it was by [their vehicle],' Superintendent Wilde said.

'It's very limited… we've reviewed that and we believe it's Cleo's voice that's heard on the CCTV.'

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Cleo
New interview of parents

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=417359639829117

Cleo's parents make a desperate plea for help to find their daughter

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Cleo - Transcriot fron second interview

First few minutes from:

1.37.
Interviewer: I know you’d really rather not be here right now talking to us.

Mother: No, not all, but we’re here.

Interviewer: You are. Why have you agreed to have a chat to us?

Mother: Well, we’re hoping that by being here - hhh -um - whoever’s watching, if they know anything, if - the person that’s watching that has Cleo - we want her home. We want her to be home with out baby- we want her in our arms.

Interviewer: What’s it been like coming back from the blowholes? You’re back in your home town now, what’s it been like trying to carry on with your life without your little girl?

Stepfather: Very hard.

Mother: Yeah. Uh - we um - like you said, we’re going on to ten days but it feels like eternity already.

Interviewer: yeah. I know you’re - you’re adamant that you don’t want to revisit all the sequence of events that night, so we’ll just go to the part where you arrive at the blowholes; you’re pretty eager to get your tent set up, get dinner, get organised. Cleo then goes to bed at about eight - eight thirty. What do you say to her - what are your last words, how do you put her to bed exactly?

Mother: I put her to bed, I tucked her in - I made sure her sleeping bag was completely tucked under her mattress. I made sure she was warm. It was going to be quite a windy night, it was overcast - um - we just tried to make sure she was safe

Interviewer: The last time you spoke to her - do you remember what you said?

Mother: I asked her to get back into bed - after she had a sip of water, um, put my head through to check on Isla and that was it. That was the last time.

Interviewer: And again, I know you absolutely don’t want to revisit that night, um, so - about one- thirty, she’s thirsty, and then about six o’clock in the morning, six, six-thirty, you realise she’s not there.

Mother: Yeah.

Interviewer: Can you describe what that feels like?

Mother: Heartbreaking. Heart wrenching.

Stepfather: Scary.

Mother: Completely scary - I mean - how are you meant to feel?

Interviewer: I think a lot of parents have experienced that moment where you lose sight of your child even for a minute, you feel sick -

Stepfather: Yeah.

Mother: Oh-oh

Hey Jude said...

Interviewer: - overwhelmed with stress. At what point did you hit that level?


Mother: Straight away.

Stepfather: Straight away, pretty much.



Mother: It was - I remember - Uh - when the police were asking us to go through everything- uh I just remember thinking like, how did someone- come into that tent and take Cleo? How - how could someone feel that they could do that to someone? How could someone take a child? My gut was, just felt sick.

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[More later]

Anonymous said...

OT
Cleo
Thanks, Hey Jude, for the link to fuller interview.

Around the 12 minute mark
Was that a reliable denial?
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Mom: No way. We love our daughter, and we want her home.

Mom: There's no way that either myself or Jake could have done anything to hurt our daughter.

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Mom expresses concern about what they have been through, no mention of what Cleo is experiencing.

Mom: I can't even explain to you what we've gone through...it's...you know...it's terrible.
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"How are you meant to feel?"
"I mean, where could your head be? It was everywhere."
"Where do you not go?

Is it unusual to answer a question with question?

They say they felt full of panic right away.
And with good reason, since they would notice the big sleeping bag was gone immediately, and they saw the zipper open at once.
They also categorically state that Cleo would never leave on her own.
Much less dragging around the sleeping bag.
Yet they did not call police right away, and reportedly waited hours.

Hey Jude said...

Cleo - Transcript 2 cont’d

5.40

Interviewer: I know that police have categorically ruled out that Cleo could have wandered off on her own. When they deliver that fairly blunt assessment of things to you, how does that sit?

Stepfather: Pretty heartbreaking

Interviewer: So when you pull back that divider and she’s gone, what are you doing - where’s your head at?

Stepfather: [We both?] just started searching

Mother: I mean, where could your head be? I-it was everywhere. No-one - no-one I know of has been through that and I would never wish for anyone to wake up and feel that feeling that went through me - I couldn’t explain that to you.

Interviewer: So obviously you then step outside the tent and you’re in the campground- a campground you know pretty well. Where do you go?

Stepfather: We pr’much jus’searched everywhere.

Mother: Everywhere we could think of, like we both grew up there

Interviewer: Mmm.

Mother: Um. Where do you not go? You go everywhere - stayed on the phone to the police - um - we had to keep doing check-ins until they got there n -the whole time - you’re trying to look through tears um. I had other mums helping - it was - nothing that I would ever wish upon anyone.

Interviewer: That Saturday was to be your first full day there at the camp site. What did you actually have planned?

Stepfather: uh, w’planned to head down to the beach, um, teach Cleo how t’go swimming, and Isla - it was pr’much Isla’s first camping trip, so we were gonna take her and put her in the water and teach her to swim as well.

Interviewer: A bit of bike riding, too -

Hey Jude said...

Stepfather: Yeah, she’s jus’ -

Interviewer: - I understand.

Stepfather: - jus’ learned, took her - we took her training wheels off, and she’s just learned to ride without ‘em, so we were gonna - took her bike up to teach her some more.
Interviewer: Camping is something you enjoy doing?

Stepfather: Yeah, we do it a lot. We haven’t been since we’ve had Isla - so ab-about a year since we’ve been.

Mother: It was meant to be her first camping trip with her sister

Stepfather: Isla’s first camping trip

Interviewer: She was excited to be there?

Stepfather: Mmm

Mother: Yeah - to say the least.

Interviewer: what happens after that? I know you stayed at the blowholes for some time until Friday - you said you wouldn’t leave there without Cleo.

Mother: We had to.

Interviewer: You had to.

Mother: It got to a point -

Interviewer: At what point did you have to face each other and say, “We have to go now.”?

Stepfather: it was once they confirmed the search -

Mother: It was then.

Stepfather: - and that she wasn’t there.

Interviewer: Did you feel like that moment was coming?

Mother: We held hope but - the hope of her being there was slowly slipping away.

Interviewer: In recent days we’ve seen forensic officers poring over your house - I mean this is your family home, this is Cleo’s home - how do you process that?

Mother: I guess we just hold hope that there’s something there that they can find - um

Stepfather: Something that can help the case

Mother: Yeah - anything - I mean if it’s someone that’s been watching- um, for who knows how long, uh hopefully they pick something up that will help.

Interviewer: Have you been able to go back there since?

Mother: Not really, no.

Stepfather: No.

Mother: We’ve - we’ve got a dog so we’ve had people look after our dog - um, she’s lost without her best friend - um, as much as we are without our daughter.

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[More later]

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10 min
Interviewer: Cleo and -

Stepfather: - and the dog, yeah

Interviewer: - your dog are close?

Mother: Yeah - I uh got my dog before I had Cleo but it was like they - bonded straight away.

Interviewer: Yeah - your baby and your fur baby.

Mother: Yeah.

Interviewer: Can you see yourself going back and being at that home any time soon?

Mother: No.

Interviewer: I can’t imagine what that’s like -

Mother: No.

Stepfather: No.

Interviewer: - knowing that Cleo’s bedroom is there waiting for her.

What’s going through your mind now, ten days in? I know when you spoke before you said you’ve just got a million thoughts just swirling around I your head - things that may or may not have happened - I mean has that slowed down at all?

Mother: I know my main thought is right now just I want my daughter back. I want her home.

[skipped commentary]

Interviewer: This is a really uncomfortable question to ask but I know we spoke about it beforehand, so you know what’s coming, and you know that unfortunately, when cases like this come up, a lot of people fancy themselves as amateur detectives

Mother: Yep.

Interviewer: and there’s always going to be speculation that mum and or dad might be involved and have a case to answer, so I have to ask the question.
Jake, is there anything that you’re not telling us?

Stepfather: No, nothing.

Interviewer: Anything that you haven’t told police?

Stepfather : No, nothing.

Interviewer: So you, or no-one that you know has anything to do

Stepfather : No, nothing

Interviewer: with Cleo’s disappearance?

Stepfather: No

Interviewer: And Ellie, I have to ask you the same question.

Ellie: No way. We love our daughter.
Stepfather: Exactly.

Mother: And we want her home.

[more later]

Hey Jude said...

12.49
Interviewer: How does it feel knowing that people do form these theories and that somehow you fit this theory?

Mother: I can’t imagine what that feels like - um, for someone, you know, if they’ve got kids - they know what it feels like to be a parent - and there is no way that either myself or Jake could have done anything to hurt our daughter.

Interviewer: What do you think happened?

Mother: She was taken.

Interviewer: As simple as that or are there other things that are really weighing on your mind? What does your gut tell you happened?

Mother: Just she’s taken - she’s gone. She’s been taken from our family, from somewhere she’s meant to feel safe - and she’s been taken.

Interviewer: It’s just - it’s so brazen, isn’t it?

Mother: It - it is an’ - huh - jus’ - I - I can’t even explain to you - you know, what we’ve gone through - it’s - - it’s no, it’s terrible

Interviewer: I mean, it sounds like you’re pretty experienced campers - I’m a camper and when I go to bed at night you know, In a tent I feel quite comfortable, I feel at ease - when you hear movement around you, you know, howling wind, crashing waves, birds, sounds of nature, other people’s footprints, anything like that - it’s staggering, isn’t it, to think that someone would come into a tent in the middle of the night?

Mother: it’s absolutely disgusting.

Interviewer: I know that the whole state, the whole country, is desperate for good news for you, for resolution - um, to the people who are watching tonight, what would you like to say to them, and if you want to speak to them directly.

Mother: If you know anything - anything at all - call the police because we want our daughter back - and w-she wants us,- our daughter - Isla , she needs her big sister - we need her home.

Interviewer: There’s also every chance that her abductor or abductors might be watching this as well, Ellie - so again, if you want to speak to them potentially, directly, what would you say to that person, or persons?

Mother: I wouldn’t even know what to say to them.

Stepfather: Please bring our girl back.

Mother: Just bring her home. She - she’s everything that - everything to us, and she belongs at home with her family.

Hey Jude said...

Following more commentary and interview with Det Supt Rod Wylde, at around the eighteen minute mark, the mother’s tearful message is:

“I love you, we miss you. We want you home.”

End.

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The 7news channel link is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E01ftoP3ZxU&t=0s

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Cleo

Ms Smith said the family had someone looking after their dog, who was “lost without her best friend as much as we are without our daughter”.

John Mc Gowan said...

OT Update:

Father of missing five-year-old Summer Wells shows trail where he believes his daughter went missing

Snipped:

Wells says he believes someone came through a wooded trail near the family home and took Summer.

”We don’t know if someone was waiting in the basement or if she come outside here and went to the swing or possibly back up there to grandma’s. We don’t know. All we know is that she went down the basement. That’s the only thing we know. To play with her toys,” shared Wells.

He said the basement door at their home was typically left open or unlocked.

“The boys a lot of times would leave this unlocked and wide open a bunch of times, and we’d get on them a lot and tell them ‘you can’t do that’ but we’d always find it open a bunch of times. We tried to control that but we couldn’t control that 100 percent of the time,” says Wells.

Passive blame.

From there, Wells shared he feels Summer was carried down a steep and rugged trail, just a few feet away from the house.

Don says while this was happening, he was at work, his sons were inside the home and Summer’s mother and grandmother were outside of the home facing away from the basement door.

“Well I think whoever grabbed her probably had her mouth covered, and I think she was gasping for air by the time she got somewhere down here because our neighbor heard a scream. A really funny scream and she’s been telling us that all along,” says Wells.

While walking down the steep trail, Don Wells said the area near their home has a history of drug activity.

“Well, you get all kinds with the drug trade and there are... you know…. We’ve seen quite a bit of stuff surrounding the meth thing. We had them parked in.... Our neighbors caught them parked at our road, in the driveway in the middle of the night, or early in the morning. Stuff like that and run them off, and get mad. They’d raise cane. We’d had quite a bit of problems out of them, but since we’d been all over them and everything with camera crews and whatever, it’s quiet down a lot. But it was pretty bad for quite a while,” said Wells.

Sheriff Lawson spoke about the drug activity in that area of Rogersville, saying it’s not a hotspot.

“I’ve heard rumors of there is maybe a drug dealer on that road, but it’s just like anywhere... Ben Hill Road isn’t any different than any other road in Hawkins or any other county or even Knox County. We all have drug problems, but no that’s not that problem, that’s not correct either. No, it’s a dead-end road, so there’s very little traffic, if any,” shared Lawson.

More:

https://www.wvlt.tv/2021/10/07/father-missing-five-year-old-summer-wells-shows-trail-where-he-believes-his-daughter-went-missing/

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OT -

Don and Candus wrote a letter about his WVLT media engagement - it is on their YouTube channel, with another video photo compilation of them in Hollywood, probably for Dr Phil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0SKim6-z8I

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Sorry, in my haste I omitted to put OT on my other posts.

Anonymous said...

OT Cleo

Quoting
Hey Jude

Forensics were done inside Cleo’s home from midday to nine-thirty on Tuesday, so that’s probably why the family have not been able to return to the house.

From what they say, they do not seem to want to return to home.

Interviewer: Can you see yourself going back and being at that home any time soon?

Mother: No.

Interviewer: I can’t imagine what that’s like -

Mother: No.

Stepfather: No.

Interviewer: - knowing that Cleo’s bedroom is there waiting for her.

Mom on Instagram
"We had a lovely friend start a gofundme to support the small businesses and ourselves during this nightmare."

I saw on Twitter that Peter is meeting with team for SA on this case. I am really looking forward to results.

ima.grandma said...

Following Cleo’s disappearance. I immediately thought of Peter watching these interviews. This material is ripe for analysis. I anxiously await…

Anonymous said...

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Cleo

"The terrain is inhospitable and uncomfortable underfoot, especially if you’re not wearing shoes"

I just noticed Cleo's PJs from that night do not have feet, so how could the parents think she had gone far on her own, ie to their old haunts, and then why go there by car to look, leaving the tent where she last was seen?
Does not make sense.

https://thewest.com.au/news/cleo-smith/cleo-smith-search-inside-the-wilderness-campground-where-little-girl-was-last-seen-ng-b882049893z

Anonymous said...

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Ima. and all
SA video is up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RII3hMFLvkc&t=17s

John Mc Gowan said...

Ima. and all
SA video is up.

Hi,

i think a lot of people were surprised by Peters peters conclusion. Always trust the language.

ima.grandma said...

Hi y’all. I enjoyed the video. I will rewatch this evening. I was a bit surprised. I’m pondering, reviewing and collaborating. I’m riding the fence. I was climbing the fence before his analysis. Thank you for your time Peter.

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A revised timeline has just been released.
Mom called police almost immediately.
This is significant and shows that the info released previously was erroneous.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10143165/Cleo-Smith-Carnarvon-disappearance-Police-finally-reveal-timeline-day-vanished.html


I read yesterday of an attempted abduction where the perp had a blanket to wrap child in; unfortunately, this made me think of Cleo and her missing sleeping bag.

"The man wrapped the little girl in a comforter and snatched her from the sidewalk."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10140693/Philadelphia-police-search-man-tried-abduct-2-year-old-broad-daylight.html

Hoping against hope for lovely little Cleo.

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I haven’t posted much on this as after reviewing the statements I couldn`t find anything pointing to foul play. At the end here I offer one possibility.

Interviewer: Cleo then goes to bed at about eight - eight thirty. What do you say to her - what are your last words, how do you put her to bed exactly?

Mother: [I] put her to bed, [I] tucked her in – [I] made sure her sleeping bag was completely tucked under her mattress. [I] made sure she was warm. It was going to be quite a windy night, it was overcast - um – [we] just [tried] to make sure she was safe.

The above statement is relevant to the time prior to Cleo getting up and asking for water. The mothers commitment through pronoun “I” is strong. At the end she changes to “we” in connection to making Cleo safe, and her words reflect a failed attempt – “we just tried”.

Interviewer: The last time you spoke to her - do you remember what you said?

Mother: I [asked] her to get [back] into bed - after she had a sip of water, um, ^ put my head through to check on Isla and that was it. That was the last time ^.

She uses the soft tone “asked” regarding Cleo getting back to bed which tells us there were likely no behaviour issues such as Cleo refusing to get in bed. If there were we would expect to hear the stronger “I told her” instead. As has been pointed out by others there is missing pronoun commitment to – “^ put my head through to check on Isla”. Add to that she finishes with the statement “That was the last time ^.” That fails to say the last time of what, so can been seen as passive. Was it the last time she saw her, spoke to her etc… She doesn’t say.

Why the above interests me is due to the following statement which the mother made regarding Cleo going to bed after she would have had the sip of water.

“Cleo woke up at [one thirty] and wanted a drink of water - um - I got up, got her some water - and [yeah], [she went to bed] – um I checked on Isla, made sure Isla was okay, um, I got back in bed, and um, that was it [really]

The mother says – “and [yeah], [she went to bed]”

The extra word/information of interest in that statement comes from the word “yeah”. The simplest and most direct statement would be - “and she went to bed”. Her inclusion of the word “yeah” signals she is agreeing to herself (as there is no one else there to agree with) when thinking about Cleo going to bed. As human beings when we have to agree with ourselves it signals we may have some doubts about something. We then take a moment and conclude, “yeah” I did do the right thing” etc… Her need to confirm/self-agree with what she allegedly already knows intrigues me, and allows that the mother may not be certain that Cleo did actually get back in bed.

Could Cleo open the tent zip enough to get outside on her own? It could later be opened further by and adult who needed to go outside to look for her.

Adrian.

Anonymous said...

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Cleo

The change in the timeline was significant to me, since previously it had been reported that mom inexplicably waited hours to call police that AM. Of course, this does assume parents have been truthful regarding sequence of events.

LE has said that Cleo was at campsite, based on CCTV audio the night the family arrived.
https://www.the-sun.com/news/3923897/cleo-smiths-voice-heard-cctv-campsite-where-disappeared/


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Linette said...

I am sad to see this fine blog vanishing.
Would have loved a statement analysis of the revolting Alec Baldwin and his fruitloop of a fake spanish wife.

John Mc Gowan said...

OT:

Candus & Don on Dr Phil Dates Confirmed

Thursday 11 Nov,-Friday 12 Nov.