Friday, July 21, 2023

The Language of Emotional Abuse




 What does the language of emotional abuse sound like?

Leaving off  the threats and physicality found in language of domestic violence, which require a deeper and more speculative (latency) analysis, there are signals in which discernment can be called upon. Here I touch upon the "classic", or common elements found in emotional abusers' language, including how this extends outside the home. 

Common to human nature is saying the wrong thing, at the wrong time, in the wrong tone, and later regretting it. Anyone can, in a moment, feel panic, aggravation or insecurity and silence another. This does not mean it is a  personality trait; but rather, a mistake.  This article is about personality traits that are ongoing; not event restricted. 

Emotional abusers generally come from a position of anxiety. 

This is evidenced in their need to control.  Psychotropic drugs can influence language, including irritability and sedation.  This may be seen in the increase (irritability) in pace and volume, or in its declination (sedation), which can include "the silent treatment"  weaponized against the target.  It can be personal and it can be societal. 

 This short article seeks only basic patterns within a personality given to controlling others.  


1. Narrative Protection  

2. Filibuster 

3.  Dismissal of disagreement as a form of devaluation 


These patterns of speech are within the abuser's personality.  

 They are not simply reserved for the victim, but often show themselves in settings at work, with family and with society in general.  This is not a sample of high escalation as often found in criminal statements, but of a norm.  

Male abusers are more likely to resort to threats of violence and physical violence, particularly where the perception of control is lost.  Female abusers rely more heavily upon emotional abuse to control, with signals of anxiety more pronounced in articulation.  As cultural shifts take place, we see more examples of  changes in norms, over time.  


1. Narrative Protection. 

The abuser has something to protect.  Whether it is an opinion (this is heightened culturally) or an ideal, the abuser may perceive disagreement as a threat. The abuser, himself or herself, may use the pronoun "we" frequently, and then move to "you and I" where it is perceived that unity is in doubt.  This can, in language, precede escalation and threat. 

"We know that..." assumes unity with "we" used.  

"We both know..."  Here we have the perceived unity of "we", yet with emphasis added with "both"

If body language does not show agreement, it may move to "you and I know that..." in whatever the topic may be.  This represents a psychological break that may be subtle, at least initially. 

We then can see a move to a need to garner strength by enjoining the idea to a psychological crowd:  

"Everyone knows that..."

"We all agree that..." 

"Since we are all on the same page..."

This is where the victim (spouse/partner) or audience (public setting)  senses a bit of a panic upon the abuser (this is often seen in emotional abusers) where the subject (speaker) anticipates divergent views and wishes to preempt them.  It is a strong signal that the subject desires to silence different opinions. 

This is something that can show up in business meetings, for example. It is an indication of anxiety.  In the home, it can be heightened, recognizing that the subject may possess self awareness in the work place, to a certain extent.  This restraint is not necessary in the home, which may then show itself in a more stark verbose manner to the spouse. 

2. Filibuster 

A "filibuster" subject is one most law enforcement investigators have encountered.  They talk through an interview, believing they can avoid the topic at hand (usually an allegation) by using many words.  In using many words, they seek to wear down (mental fatigue) the investigator with a form of diversion. Well trained investigators recognize that the incessant talking yields a great deal of information, particularly about personality traits.  

"Filibuster" is a common way to "talk over or through" another, so that the narrative (opinion, view point) goes unchallenged.  This can include various methods, often dependent upon the setting.  The victim may say, "You did not let me get in a word, edgewise" or "You don't let me answer you!"  

The emotional frustration can lead to silence, just as self preservation (including physically) can lead to habitual silence. 

The need to control the narrative is sometimes seen in teachers and professors who now use popular or trendy means to silence discussion, including shouting down opposition, as well as ridicule. This is a form of emotional abuse.  

If the narrative is financial gain, those with influence may possess the means to silence, censor or minimize opposition.  They "filibuster" via other methods than just over-talking.  

Where does this leave the victim?

3. Dismissal and Devaluation 

"It's not even worth discussing!" 

Dismissed opinions take a toll on the victim.  Consider the woman who has been, for years, ridiculed and made to believe she is of inferior intelligence or worth due to the silencing she has experienced.  The public may further add insult to injury by seeing her as "mousey" or overly timid.  She can be recognized as "beat down" in life. After a lengthy time spent with the emotional and/or physical abuser (including threats of violence), she may no longer consider her opinion of value not only to her husband, but to society in general.  

We may see attempts to devalue others in "credentialism" where one is to be silenced by comparing external credentials or experiences.  

It is a signal of weakness to avoid an argument by ridiculing (devaluing) another by boasting of one's credentials. 

This can be an insult, for example, for disagreeing with someone who has many experiences in the topic at hand. Rather than hear an opposing view, the emotional bully may resort to his or her own life experiences. "Well, I have for many years..." as a means to silence, rather than discuss. 

Instead of  giving an explanation, the emotional bully may feel personally slighted or even insulted.  This fragility can give way to the desire to silence, rather than listen with respect, and respond with reason. 

There are areas in which one may not wish to engage; such as topics of absurdity, or when one party has obvious mental illness or may even become destabilized upon challenge.  

This can become an exercise of folly, or even dangerous.  Wisdom may choose what to answer and what not to. This can highlight a position of strength in restraint. 

It is not the personality of an emotional abuser or bully that we see in such cases. 

The emotional abuser comes from a position of weakness. 

The trend of culture is to claim moral high ground (even in non-moral topics) and brow beat others into silence or agreement has highlighted this further. Particular personality types, especially with chronic anxiety, have readily embraced this method to protect themselves from perceived threats.  Those of anxiety are drawn to censoring others, whether through scolding, insulting or through supporting societal coerced silence. 

As this has become accepted and then embraced, we may see, for example, traits in public that will be predictably magnified in the privacy of the home.  This could stand as a warning for the thoughtful to consider. 

In criminal analysis, debate is essential.  In discerning deception within a statement, team analysis is the most productive means of accuracy.  It thrives upon disagreement and the incessant posing of questions, of which a constellation of possible answers can be explored openly. 

As such, some personalities do not enjoy the rigorous methodology of this atmosphere.  Others learn to embrace it, particularly when exercising patience. This leads them from embracing to relishing, as the goal accuracy is repeatedly obtained.  

Recognizing a dominant personality trait of needing to control can be of great value in discernment, whether in professional settings  (law enforcement hiring where lethal force may be used), or in interpersonal relationships. 

Decisions may be made on when to engage, how to engage and, when to avoid.  Those skilled in deescalation are often instinctive in their ability to know when to challenge, and when not to. They know when gentle words are best, when silence is to be employed and when minimizing risk is needed. 

After having been on the receiving end of the filibuster, the person or persons may, very much feel like they have been abused.  Silence taken as acquiescence,  this person may, if in repeated context, find himself or herself practicing avoidance.  













53 comments:

jd said...

if someone says, "Why should I apologize just to make you feel better.." is this statement a form of emotional abuse?

frommindtomatter said...

Peter, that’s a great article full of insight, thanks for sharing your knowledge. I saw an article a few days ago written by William Hague, a former conservative politician. A quote from it –

“Even right-wingers know we need migrants”

It’s a good example of your first point of “narrative protection”. It’s very clever and encompasses many of the examples you gave. It suggests an “us” and “them” situation by naming one group as “right-wingers” and then suggesting there is another group, that being the “we” of which Hague groups himself with. The language he uses encourages the audience to draw conclusions of their own based off its content, while avoiding having to directly use some of the examples you gave - "Everyone knows that...", "We all agree that..." and "We both know..." Even though not directly used the audience must reach those conclusions as the language takes them there.

I find it devilishly clever as it is a high tier technique for manipulation of others. Nobody likes being told something, but when they are allowed to reach their own conclusions via deliberately planted suggestive information, they don’t realise they have been led down the garden path. I am sure there are many groups of people as well as others who are happy to be simply individuals, who aside from right-wingers have their own opinions on a variety of topics. Alas they will never be able to question the speakers or writers of such statements as they have the luxury of being able to hide behind a glass screen or the type on a page.

Adrian.

Anonymous said...

Dear Peter,
Years ago I used Statement Analysis on the KJB and was greatly rewarded. Someday I will send you the analysis.
Sincerely, Hilary in Alaska
PS It’s all in the writer and interpretation, and what else he was writing at the same time giving hints as to his mighty feat.

Anonymous said...

The Beatitudes

He said:

3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called children of God.
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Anonymous said...

Those that torment others are usually suffering themselves.

It’s ok to pray for them

Dear God, Please give your peace and understanding upon those who torment others, and make them cease to be abusive.
In the name of Your Precious Son Jesus, Amen

Anonymous said...

I don't know who I'd be if I didn't know You
I'd probably fall off the edge
I don't know where I'd go if You ever let go
So keep me held in Your hands
You're my safe place
My hideaway
You're my anchor
My saving grace
You're my constant
My steadiness
You're my shelter
My oxygen
I don't know who I'd be if I didn't know You
Thank God, I do
I don't know who I'd be if I didn't know You
I'd probably fall off the edge
I don't know where I'd go if You ever let go
So keep me held in Your hands
I don't know who I'd be if I didn't know You
Thank God, I do
Source: Musixmatch
Songwriters: Alecia Moore / Jason Ingram / Jeff Bhasker / Nate Ruess / Lauren Daigle

I love this song because I always have an image of myself as a chewed up piece of gum in GODS hands.

Anonymous said...

And… BTW

THIS little light of Maine shows closeness as does endearing words like “ little munchkin “ and I am certain she wrote all that whilst looking at Ayla play in her own home. After the faked kidnapping organized by Phoebe to protect Ayla from harm.

Anonymous said...

And Little light was so long, probably because she was stimulated by chasing around a toddler, hiding in the cupboard sort of writing suggests she actively looked for a toddler in her own home.

Anonymous said...

I just watched a 'debate' (in a title only) about global warming and the debater deployed all the tactics showcased in this article.

“I detest what is specious. I detest flattery for fear it should pass for what is right. I detest glibness for fear it should pass for the truthful. … I detest purple for fear it should pass for vermilion. I detest the village worthy (The posturing moralist, or a "thief of virtue") for fear he should pass for the virtuous.”
- Confucius

The thief of virtue is a true annihilator, since he will not rest until his fashionable worldview, in all its banality, is universally imposed.

frommindtomatter said...

OT: Andrew Malkinson

I saw this on the news this evening and thought it might have merit for analysis. The first link below is to the BBC coverage of the story which will give some background. I dug around and found he had given an interview on the radio, which is the second link.

There is some talk surrounding the crime and also some interesting stuff regarding his prison sentence. He likely would have been released earlier if he had confessed to the crime, but he didn’t.

It’s a short interview but what is there offers a lot of content for analysis. Do his words support his claim of innocence?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-66323436

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/andrew-malkinson-i-want-to-begin-to-heal-myself/id73330187?i=1000622501441

Adrian.

Anonymous said...

I just watched a 'debate' (in a title only) about global warming and the debater deployed all the tactics showcased in this article.

I think it’s ridiculous to turn fields into black reflective mirrors to trap sunlight. It seems to me that it could cause warming in the immediate area. Maybe if we all make choices to limit the use of products that become instant garbage, plastic bags, containers, prepared foods etc it might help. The plastics in the oceans in real, the dying reefs is happening( although they used to blame it on over fertilization and runoff off into the sea). People being uncaring and frivolous with the lives of one another is at an all time high. I recall a news magazine cover taunting big tech with a cover saying “ Philanthropy. There’s No App for That”.

Anonymous said...

Do his words support his claim of innocence?

DNA supports his innocence.

His words now are that of a victim, and should be analyzed as such.

He does say he’s sorry to the victim many times, but because he’s also a victim may that be because he shares trauma?

Anonymous said...

What I find completely astounding is that a self admitted “drifter “ would stand by his principles and remain incarcerated instead of being free to investigate and prove his innocence. Because he faced a travel ban,? thus forbidding him from going on “holiday”?!! It’s simply incredible that he refused an early release unless until he was proven innocent!

Anonymous said...

But that involves [you] discussing with [other] umm… [transgressors]

Why use the word “other” it implies he’s included in the group.

Anonymous said...

After saying it he pauses "umm..." to think,

Probably thinking, “Oops! “ he let on that he was a part of the group that he’s so knowledgeable about.
I sets off red flags to the reader and the listener!

Anonymous said...

The DNA poiting to another person being involved in the crime is partial and no one has been charged at this point. If you listen to the interview about his arrest etc... there is a lot of content for analysis in it.


Yuck! He’s loose!! They should keep an eye on him!!

Anonymous said...

It’s funny how SA sets off alarms. Because I started posting replies before reading the analysis, and it was the word “others” !! Too cool! Confidence!!!

Anonymous said...

1 John 3:4
King James Version
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

transgressors], you know other people, rapists, murderers…. Um, paedophiles. [You] all sit in a group and discuss [what you’ve done…] [what you’ve done.”]

It implies he’s been reading the Bible whilst incarcerated.

Anonymous said...

He may expect some sort of divine forgiveness

As far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us.
Psalm 103:12sinsalvation
But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed.
Isaiah 53:5sinJesushealing
Then I acknowledged my sin to you and did not cover up my iniquity. I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the Lord.” And you forgave the guilt of my sin.
Psalm 32:5confessionsinforgiveness
Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall.
Ezekiel 18:30bconversionsinpunishment
Blessed is the one whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered.
Psalm 32:1sinforgivenessblessing
Have mercy on me, O God, according to your unfailing love; according to your great compassion blot out my transgressions. Wash away all my iniquity and cleanse me from my sin.
Psalm 51:1-2sinmercypurification
I have swept away your offenses like a cloud, your sins like the morning mist. Return to me, for I have redeemed you.
Isaiah 44:22sinsalvationconversion
But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.
Ephesians 2:4-5mercyloveJe

Polo said...

Peter's article is especially significant when you think about how the mainstream and social media keeps the public in a perpetual state of anxiety.

Anonymous said...

I’m in anxiety because my sons girlfriend ‘s grandma and his dog is in Kiev. How can an analysis blog bring about anxiety? Rubbish!

Anonymous said...

Philippians 4:6-7
New King James Version
6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; 7 and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

My dream is to buy and restore a church and make a beautiful garden for the surrounding community. And utilize local craftsmen to do restoration, snd provide work for craft people, and a beautiful place of worship for a community.
I’ve looked on line and there’s SO many churches for sale it’s incredible! And also in the UK

I would try to get one with a working organ to accompany a choir singing praises to God.

You see there is an alternative to anxiety, hope, and a future. That is God’s promise.
There is always an answer to prayers Polo, God is omnipresent in our lives. In all life.



Anonymous said...

You can write hymns Polo, I have, and they are complete plagiarism from the KJ Bible combined with show tunes. And they are very fulfilling. Okay

frommindtomatter said...

OT: Jacob Barton

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12372217/EXCLUSIVE-Twisted-letter-mother-boyfriend-sent-neighbours-claiming-woke-beautiful-10-month-old-baby-dead-NOT-ask-pain-pair-set-sentenced-killing-him.html

The article shows a copy of a note they posted to neigbours and also audio of the 999 call.

Adrian.

Anonymous said...

Evil Gemma Barton and her partner Craig Crouch, who she had met on dating site Plenty of Fish while four months pregnant, tried to garner sympathy from neighbours by spinning them a sob story in a printed note which claimed: 'Devastatingly, we woke up to find him no longer with us.'

This could very well be a true statement if they were drunk or high and had forgotten about the abuse that caused the death of the little baby. And then they “awoke” sober and were “devastated”.

Sort of like Brian Kohlberger, the arrested Idaho murderer who now claims that he was driving around alone at night. Which is an absolutely true statement that fits into his leaving his phone at home and driving into another state to partake in a mass murder.

They’re leaving out the part about the crime.

Anonymous said...

Jacob was found dead in his cot at on the morning of December 30, 2020 - during the Covid pandemic - and was later discovered to have 39 rib fractures, 19 visible bruises and several internal injuries.

They are evil people

39 rib fractures , 18 visible injuries and internal injuriies.

All of those injuries should make a jury or judge put them away for every. He looked like a sweet happy baby.

Anonymous said...

Why did this require statement analysis? The corner found so many wounds that were indicative of abuse.. or whatever the term is that points to the injuries sustained could only have been caused by his caregivers. The statement analysis is unnecessary. The injuries speak for themselves.

frommindtomatter said...

I posted the link to the news article as it gives two good examples in the forms of the 999 call and the note distributed to neighbours of the language of the guilty. In this case the deceased child’s injuries told his story for him, but if this had been an alleged abduction or some other scenario where a body/evidence wasn’t available to aid in conviction of those responsible it could have been a different story. The one constant between the two situations would be the language which could be used to assess the veracity of those involved.

Adrian.

John Mc Gowan said...

OT:

Woman Who Cooked Up Poisonous Mushroom Lunch That Killed Three Of Her Family Members Breaks Silence

Erin Patterson, who cooked up poisonous mushrooms in a lunch that killed three members of her family, has spoken out.

Patterson, 48, hosted a lunch in July which resulted in the tragic deaths of three family members, including her former mother-in-law.

The devastating incident occurred at Patterson’s Leongatha home in Australia’s Gippsland region.

She had gathered with former in-laws Gail and Don Patterson, as well as Gail’s sister, Heather Wilkinson, and her husband, Ian, on July 29.

The lunch turned fatal when all four guests fell ill after consuming the meal, which included hand-picked mushrooms.

Subsequently, they were admitted to the hospital the following day, as their conditions deteriorated.

Tragically, Gail and Heather, aged 70 and 66 respectively, succumbed to the illness on Friday, while Don, 70, passed away on Saturday evening.

Ian, 68, remains in critical condition and is reportedly awaiting a liver transplant.

Related Article: Student Lost All His Limbs After Eating His Roommate’s Leftover Noodles For Lunch

Patterson, visibly emotional, addressed the media outside her residence, where the ill-fated lunch had taken place.

She denied any wrongdoing, telling 9News: “I didn’t do anything. I loved them, and I’m devastated that they’re gone.”

While sharing her sorrow, she inadvertently mistook Don for Ian, expressing her hope for Don’s recovery.

Although Patterson spoke briefly, she refrained from disclosing details about the source of the mushrooms or the specific meal she served.

Amidst her tears, she described Gail as a maternal figure in her life, as her own mother had passed away four years prior.

Patterson said: “Gail was like the mum I didn’t have because my mum passed away four years ago and Gail had never been anything but good and kind to me.

“Ian and Heather were some of the best people I’d ever met. They never did anything wrong to me.

“I’m so devastated about what’s happened and the loss to the community and to the families and to my own children, they’ve lost their grandmother.”

More:

https://igvofficial.com/erin-patterson-speaks-out-as-mushrooms-kills-three-family-members/

Anonymous said...

Gail had never been anything

Order is important.

Is there something about the differences in the way British people speak?

Anonymous said...

Two people have come forward to make statements in the murder of Rachel Morin, against the caution from LE not to reveal any information in an on going investigation:


Richard Tobin, the boyfriend of Rachel Morin — whose body was discovered off the Ma and Pa Trail in Maryland — took to the Facebook comments under the couple’s fresh Aug. 1 relationship status to shoot down any theories that he had anything to do with the mother of five’s death.

“I love Rachel, I would never do anything to her, let the family and I grieve. Yes I have a past but I also have 15 months clean and have changed as a person. Please,” Tobin wrote under the status.

Anonymous said...

Speaking about his search efforts, local Michael Gabriszeski told WMAR: 'I got down and searched the tunnels because I had a feeling about these tunnels.

Anonymous said...

Michael Gabriszeski said he and his daughter had joined other volunteers in looking for the missing 37-year-old mom when they found her remains in a drain of the Ma and Pa Heritage Trail in Bel Air on Sunday afternoon.

“I kept telling them to search the tunnels, because I had a feeling about those tunnels,” he told told WMAR-2.

“I walked forward to search the one tunnel, and they searched the [other] one, and that’s where they found her,” he said of his daughter and another friend.

Anonymous said...

Michael Gabriszeski:
“And for her family, that door can finally be closed, and they can get the investigation on and hopefully catch the person that did this,” he said.

“I hope they prosecute [the perpetrator] to the fullest extent of the law.”

Morin, 37, was last seen heading out on the Ma and Pa Trail around 6 p.m. Saturday.

Maybe a refresher from Peter about the importance of “doors” in SA , and the opening and closing of doors in SA.

I think that this guy who found her had feelings for her. . He uses the present tense ,” these tunnels” showing closeness

Instead of distancing himself from a horrific murder

Anonymous said...


“I had never walked it myself,” he said.


But the former national park search and rescue officer has extensive experience tracking down missing people.

“I told my stepdaughter, I said look, she’s not going to be laying out in the open,” he said, “She's going to be tucked away.”

Following reports 37-year-old Rachel Morin had left for a walk and never returned, Gabriszeski and his stepdaughter took off on a search rooted on instinct.

“I just kept seeing tunnels in my mind, I don’t know why, I just kept seeing tunnels,” he said.



Despite Law enforcement swarming the area for almost a full day Sunday morning, Gabriszeski’s stepdaughter located the body in about an hour. They say the deadly discovery was made in a tunnel drain, not far from the trail’s Williams Street entrance.

“When I saw the tunnels, I got chills,” said Gabriszeski.

It was then, Gabriszeski’s visions quickly met the reality of a gruesome scene.

“I saw a terrible mess,” he said, “There's not going to be an open casket. I can guarantee you that.”

He says Morin’s body was found in a pool of blood and had suffered severe head trauma. An injury he believes could have been the result of a rock.

“A rock or a baseball bat,” he said, “And I didn't see any baseball diamonds. I did see big rocks. And my daughter said that there was a big rock down there that was all caked in blood.”

The latest update from the Harford County Sheriff’s Department declined to mention how Morin died or release the name of any suspects.

“I understand many of you want answers and we do too,” said Sheriff Jeffery Gahler.

Anonymous said...

he said, “There's not going to be an open casket. I can guarantee you that.”

Disparaging the victim

Anonymous said...

Why is he using the word “guarantee “?

The Sixth Amendment guarantees the rights of criminal defendants, including the right to a public trial without unnecessary delay, the right to a lawyer, the right to an impartial jury, and the right to know who your accusers are and the nature of the charges and evidence against you.

Anonymous said...

SA

“that door can finally be closed”


he said, “And I didn't see any baseball diamonds. I did see big rocks“
Diamonds, as in an engagement ring that was not to be

“There's not going to be an open casket. I can guarantee you that.”

frommindtomatter said...

OT: Woman Who Cooked Up Poisonous Mushroom Lunch

Hi John, I have been watching this one too.

“Ian and Heather were some of the best people I’d [ever] met. They [never] did anything [wrong] [to] [me].

Its sensitive as it is in the negative. It includes the word “wrong” in connection to behaviour. It only speaks to one side of the relationship/behaviour (them to her). It’s unexpected as it goes beyond describing what kind of people they were to highlighting their behaviour towards her. When thinking of the victims her mind is drawn to how they treated her.

They [never] did anything [wrong] [to] [me].

In context of what has occurred I believe this language to be that of one who is feeling guilt. The guilt comes from the knowledge or belief in having done something wrong. That doesn’t mean the person responsible did this with premeditation, it could be that after the fact they realised that their behaviour has caused something which was unintended but upon reflection they can see they are culpable in some capacity. Perhaps the food was badly prepared or sourced incorrectly. There are various possibilities. For instance if they had intended to only make those involved sick, the final outcome would have come as something unexpected. They would now feel guilty for their actions and it would be reflected in their language.

Adrian.

Anonymous said...

OT: Woman Who Cooked Up Poisonous Mushroom Lunch

She uses the word “never”

Both Michael Gabriszeski:and Morin’s boyfriend
:used the word “never” in their initial statements
The boyfriend in the context I would “ never” hurt her

And Michael Gabriszeski:sad he “never” goes on the Ma and Pa trail where he found her body, and had all kinds of implausible “feelings” about her being “ tucked away” and about “tunnels”.

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Anonymous said...

There are on line comments suggesting the guy who found Rachel Morin only returned to the crime scene to explain the presence of his DNA. As in he did it.

Anonymous said...

"If somebody were to just do a thrill kill, it wouldn't be as brutal as what we witnessed," he said.


People are commenting about how this guy purposefully took his step daughter to an exact spot. He even spoke to television interviewers about how his step daughter sat down in blood.

There’s the “ we witnessed “ . And LE have told the press he wasn’t in the tunnel where she was found by his step daughter.

If all this is a fact, and true , he must be the killer of Rachel Morin.

His actions are deliberate and point to one who wants to explain possible blood evidence in his home. Or his own DNA at the crime scene.

It like the guy in Dostoyevsky’s Crime and Punishment.like the crime ate away at him and he had to return to the crime scene to clarify to himself, and clearly to the waiting media, what had happened. His words are a confession of guilt

frommindtomatter said...

OT: Michael Gabriszeski

There’s been a lot of conflicting information in the media about this story. The latest I can find is –

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/michael-gabriszeski-rachel-morin-update-maryland-b2391449.html

“Man who described grisly state of Rachel Morin’s body never actually saw it, sheriff says”

The sheriff says he was involved in the search but didn’t see the crime scene. It’s unclear if his daughter did from the article. That means there is little to work with regarding his statements. If his daughter had seen the crime scene then any information he is giving will be based on the account she relayed to him and other information he will have gleaned by being close to the scene. He could be a guy who when interviewed saw an opportunity for a quick few minutes of fame and put together a story based on that information which was exaggerated. The daily mail in an article describes him as a “native American tracker”. We have to assume that was the description of himself he gave to them when being interviewed. So we have a scenario where he has gone round saying he is a Native American tracker and that he and his daughter discovered the body, but later we find out from the Sheriff that he didn’t see the actual crime scene.

“I kept [telling] them to search the tunnels, [because] I had a [feeling] about those tunnels,” he told told WMAR-2.

He wants the listener to know he was “telling” the Police where to look. He is giving the impression that he knew better than them, when people tell others what to do it suggests/portrays they are an authority. He is a self-professed tracker but doesn’t say a trail led to the tunnels etc… but rather it was his “feeling” about them.

“I [walked forward] [to] search the one tunnel, and they searched the [other] one, and that’s where [they] found her,” he said of his daughter and another friend.

He says he “walked forward” but fails to say he actually entered a tunnel and searched it.

“I [think] that [this] guy who found her had feelings for her”

The word “this” shows closeness either physically or psychologically, but is often used when fabricating information. There can be “[a] man who pulled a gun on me” or “[this] man who pulled a gun on me”.

“[I] saw a terrible [mess],” he said, “There's [not] going to be an open casket. I can [guarantee] you that.”

On form “I saw a terrible mess” is a strong statement, but what does he mean by “mess”? Is the mess the paramedics/medical teams, police, and all the craziness which would have been going on at the time? We know he didn’t see the actual scene itself so that gives us a clue, but we don’t know what he did see so we are in the dark.

He likes to talk a lot and if he is connected to the crime I`m sure the Police will pick up on it as people like that usually end up incriminating themselves.

Adrian.

John Mc Gowan said...

OT:

Mushroom poisoning mother speaks out

Original full VT:

Note the avoidance of direct questions.

https://youtu.be/rvZBexnIe10



frommindtomatter said...

John, thanks for the link. I have just finished making a transcript and will put it up. There are a few possibilities to consider based on the fact she is ultimately responsible in some form or another.

The poisoning was premeditated with the purpose to kill.

The poisoning was premeditated with the intention to cause suffering but not death.

The poisoning was accidental due to her or someone else’s error regarding the ingredients in the meal.

I haven’t done any analysis yet, but like you said she avoided answering the direct questions posed to her by the reporters.

Adrian.

frommindtomatter said...

Mushroom poisoning mother speaks out Transcript:

It's a tragedy what's happened…

Can you tell us about the meal that you cooked?

I`m devastated by what's happened about the loss of Don and, Don is still in hospital, the loss of Ian and Heather, and Gail. They were some of the best people that I`ve ever met. Gail was like…

Take your time.

Gail was the mum that I didn't have because my mum passed away four years ago, and Gail's never been anything but good and kind to me. And Ian and Heather were some of the best people I've ever met they never did anything wrong to me, and I'm so devastated about what's
happened, and the loss to the community, and to the families and to my own children have lost their grandmother.

Can you tell us a bit more about the lunch?

What I can tell you…. is that I just can't fathom what has happened, I just can't fathom what has happened. That Ian and Heather have lost their lives and Gail has lost her life and Don is still in hospital, and I pray, I pray that he pulls through, because my children love him.

And you must be pretty shaken up by this as well?

I`m devastated, I love (or loved) them, and I can`t believe that this happened and I`m so sorry that they have lost their lives…… I can't believe it, I just can't believe it.

Can you tell us where the mushrooms came from? Were they picked from the property?

I`m just asking, to leave me alone now please.

The Police say you’re a suspect do you have anything to say about that?

Yes, I say I didn’t do anything, I loved (or love) them… and I`m devastated that their gone, and I hope with every fibre of my being that Don pulls through. that’s what I had to say.

Where did the mushrooms come from, Were they picked by you or, where did they come from Erin, can you tell us?

Erin enters house

What meal did you cook them, did you eat the same meal Erin?

Erin closes door behind her.

Adrian.

frommindtomatter said...

One correction to the transcript where she is asked about being a suspect. She says "have" instead of "had" –

“that’s what I have to say.”

Adrian.

frommindtomatter said...

Mushroom poisoning mother speaks out:

My analysis of a small segment.

Can you tell us a bit more about the lunch?

What I can tell you…. is that I just can't fathom what has happened; I just can't fathom what has happened. That Ian and Heather have lost their lives and Gail has lost her life and Don is still in hospital, and I pray, I pray that he pulls through, [because] my children love him.

When people speak freely they automatically share information with the listener. They are telling them something. When people front a statement with the words “What I can tell you….” They are signalling that they are limited in what information they can provide. This means either they only know a certain amount which will cause a limitation to what they can say, or that there are factor/s causing them to withhold it. One example would be a Lawyer advising a client not to speak about their case as it could harm them later in court. Another could be someone wanting to protect the privacy of someone else. Another could be someone wishing to avoid incriminating themselves which means they are going keep back information which might do so.

Erin is asked specifically about “the lunch” and it is in reply to this that she signals she will be withholding information by saying “What I can tell you….” The question now is just how much information regarding the lunch is she going to limit. When reading her answer in full it is noted that she avoids the topic completely signalling that it is highly sensitive to her. What she does say –

“[What I can tell you….] is that I [just] [can't] [fathom] [what has happened]; I [just] [can't] [fathom] [what has happened.”]

Note this statement is repeated which doubles its importance and shows there is heightened sensitivity to that which it is connected to. Both instances include the word “just” which is used to minimise via comparison.

I could fail an exam miserably by missing the pass mark by 50% or fail by missing the mark by 1%. In the first example I could say “I failed the exam” because that’s what happened, in fact it could be appropriate to say I failed miserably. In the second example where I was only 1% off passing I could say “I [just] failed the exam” and it would be an accurate statement. Note even though I would have failed in both cases the second example saw the introduction of the word “Just” into the language. In order for me to make that statement I would have to hold knowledge that I had only failed by 1%. It is through that knowledge that I would be able to say “I [just] failed the exam” as I would know that I was so close to passing. By using “Just” I would be making a minimised comparison as I would be comparing failing by 1% against a greater number like the 50%. The point is that to use the word “just” one must hold enough knowledge to be comparing two thoughts against each other.

frommindtomatter said...

“I [just] [can't] [fathom] [what has happened]”

Erin’s knowledge or lack of will determine the words she selects when making her statement. If she doesn’t know what happened then it is expected she will say so. By looking at the words she selected a deeper insight can be gained. She begins with pronoun “I” which shows she is psychologically committed to the words that will follow. Next she uses the word “just” signalling she is going to be making a minimising comparison. This comparison is going to be against “[can’t fathom] [what has happened]”, with the word “fathom” meaning to understand what has happened.

There is a problem here and it lies in her use of the word “just”. It reveals that when she is thinking about her limitations (“can`t fathom”) in relation to “what has happened”, she is comparing that thought against another connected thought. As in the example of passing the exam earlier one must have knowledge of two or more things in order to make a minimising comparison. Erin’s words speak to having such knowledge. She is comparing what she “can’t fathom” against something else, which would be what she can fathom. The one being stated the lesser of the two.

I will post more if I find time,

Adrian

John Mc Gowan said...

Woman who cooked poisonous mushroom lunch admits she lied to police

https://www.ladbible.com/news/world-news/australia-mushroom-deaths-erin-patterson-police-296597-20230814?source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR27-x0QD2e4jCsjD5f2jBig5sRc1kemayYfJgDePUqZ4wnKdTjD1fx_gRM

frommindtomatter said...

One quote from the article -

"I am [now] devastated [to think] that [these] mushrooms [may] have [contributed] to the [illness] [suffered] by my loved ones. I [really] want to repeat that I had [absolutely] [no reason] [to hurt] these people [whom I loved]."

She is trying to talk this down big time. The devastation has only occurred “now” meaning she didn’t feel it before. It is linked with the act of thinking [“to think”] which is weak and avoids making an admission of knowing. Considering the information available regarding the cause of the deaths the use of “to think” is questionable. To say she “found out” would be more appropriate.

She holds the mushrooms psychologically close (“these”), but won’t commit to them being responsible for the deaths. She uses the weak and non-committal “may” to front –

“may have [contributed] to the [illness] [suffered] by my loved ones”

It gets interesting here as she won’t say that they may have caused what happened which would be weak, but would allow they might be responsible. Instead she uses the word “contribute” which allows that there were other factors involved. These other factors she connects to “the illness” suffered. Considering three out of the four victims died quickly as a result of the meal they were served the term “illness” is inappropriate. Illness refers to the effects of a disease, or a period of sickness. It’s likely she is attempting to minimise what has happened, but I find it intriguing those two words entered her language. The big question for me in this case is whether she intended to kill her victims or just make them ill. Her use of “contribute” would merit investigating if other ingredients had been given to the victims. Illness avoids speaking of the outcome (death), but signals it is an idea/thought in her mind.

frommindtomatter said...

“I [really] want to [repeat] that I had [absolutely] [no reason] [to hurt] these people [whom I loved].”

In other statements she spoke of how the victims had never done anything wrong to her (“to me”), which only covers one side of the relationship and subtly allures for the interpretation that if they didn’t do anything to me then why would I do anything to them. Here she has a need to convince that she had “no reason” to “hurt” them. Negative statements are sensitive and this one shines the light on having “no reason” in connection with hurting “these” people. When people use negatives like “no problem” or “no need to worry” it signals that there is in fact a potential problem or thing to worry about. When there are no problems or no need to worry then there is no cause for the language to appear.

I would love to see the whole letter she sent to Police. One article I read states-

“Ms Patterson said in the statement reported by ABC that she served the meal and allowed her guests to choose their own plates. She picked up the last plate and ate a serving of the beef Wellington as well.”

I would be interested to see how this was described in her own words.

Adrian.