Peter Hyatt on "Crime Wire": The Murder of Amanda Blackburn
February 23, 2017, Peter Hyatt will be a guest on "Crime Wire" live broadcast, and will be taking your calls and questions at 9am to 1030AM EST.
Amanda Blackburn was a victim of a sexual homicide in which arrests have been made.
Questions, however, remain in one of the most bizarre 'solved' murder cases of recent years.
Peter Hyatt will share analysis of the case, including deception detection techniques, and what this may mean for justice.
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and the finger points in the other direction . . .
She moved into the Blackburn house - ensconced herself on the couch and posted pictures on social media with Weston and Mel on top of her - posted pictures of Weston with Amanda cropped out - chose to be a burglar for a Halloween costume - moved out abruptly how many days or weeks before Amanda "passed". . .
she did also want Amanda's life
Was Ashley SWFing Amanda?
Here's a random coincidink:
The first gofundme was set up at 5:20 PM on 11/11/2015 by "Davey Blackburn" from Macon, Indiana.
There is no Macon, Indiana.
There is a Macon, Georgia, which is where Meg's family is from.
cue Fido
Wonder if Amanda went home from the lunch after she and Ashley made friends again, if really they did, sort of, and promptly chucked out Megs. Well, you never know...
Sounds like stuff got said at the lunch - I wonder what. It is interesting, I bet Amanda didn't like Megs around and so much in her life. I hope they had more than one sofa, at least - couch, I think Davey calls it. Fancy having her husband's assistant move in, the one who posted about buying him a jockstrap and bibs, slobbing on the sofa with Amanda's dog and baby, acting like she was family, having Davey on her side, knowing it was at least not what Amanda could have wanted or found comfortable. Amanda should have said no, but she submitted to Davey.
Is there any FB trail of Amanda posting her friendships with Megs and Ashley?
Yes, Asley was SWFing Amanda. Im surprised she hasnt yet died her hair blond.
She's now a furniture refurbisher?
Ashley was easy prey for Davey since she is an empty person. As for why it couldnt be Ashley's season, why would Ashley & Derrick give Davey so much control over their sex life? Unless he is personally actively involved in it, which is likely.
What does that mean, Anon at 6.00?
Well, they were setting up the church together, and Davey was the pastor, Derek the worship assistant. So, Davey was the leader, and his priority was growing the church, which Derek would have shared - no church members, no income, no means of support - they had to make it work. If both girls were pregnant, then nursing, that is two unavailable to help much for some time, along with two husbands also less able to commit so much time to growing the church - one baby seemed problematic enough, two at the same time would have been too much of a drain on their time and energy, methinks. Derek just seems to tag along and do what he's told, doesn't her? Clutching his electric shock dog collar in one hand for fun, or protection, and Davey's unsuitable garden parasol in the other.
Other than calling Megs a liar, Amanda didn't have a lot of twitter interaction with her:
Megs @MegsGriff 22 Nov 2013
7 days from today ... The Christmas season begins!!! #HollyJolly #theMostWonderfulTimeOfTheYear 🎅🎄🎁🎅🎄🎁
1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
AmandaGrace @AmandaGrace
Replying to @MegsGriff
@MegsGriff that is a very false statement!
Another of their interactions:
daveyblackburn @daveyblackburn 1 May 2013
Hey Tweets, I'm going on a social media fast for the month of May. Until June!
1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
Megs @MegsGriff 1 May 2013
@daveyblackburn can you text me anything you would normally tweet? Is that cheating? I don't think so.
1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
AmandaGrace @AmandaGrace
Replying to @MegsGriff
@MegsGriff @daveyblackburn hahah. I love that.
Then we have this uncomfortable post from Megs:
megsgriff
2016-11-09
I'd give anything for just one more cookie ... just one more day of casually sitting in your kitchen chatting about life while you steadily balance baking cookies, making dinner and feeding Weston. If I stop for a moment I can hear your laugh, and remember these moments. Today I find myself trying to remember our lasts ... last conversations, last smile, last hug, last time I heard you laugh ... and if I'm being honest I try to wish myself back to the last day I saw you so that I can tell you how much I love you, how great you are at being a mom, and attempt to explain how much your life has impacted mine. I know I'm better at loving people, taking courageous steps of faith and repurposing furniture because of knowing you. I don't think there's Instagram in heaven ... but maybe ... so if somehow you can see this @amandagblackburn save me a seat at your kitchen counter, I have so much to tell you when I see you again. #NothingIsWasted
S.W.F.ing
Derived from the acronym for "Single white female". Refers to the movie "Single White Female", where a new roommate tries to take over the Protagonist's life.
This term is used when a crazy person attempts to take over someone's life.
She did her hair and make up exactly like mine, I think shes S.W.F.ing me
#crazy#stalker#nuts#insane#life
by JoshyWaa9 February 02, 2010
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Ashley is married - single Megs followed them and moved into Amanda's house, commandeering sofa, baby, and dog. Fridge too, by the looks of things. :-/. 'Persuing Surrender', she was. Amanda was the who ended it in a posture of surrender, though - must have been a coincidence.
Btw, Amanda mainly refers to Ashley as her "running buddy":
AmandaGrace 5/4 2013
@AmandaGrace
Finished the Indy half marathon with my running buddy @mrsabarrett today! #whoopthereitis
re Ashley She's now a furniture refurbisher?
So it appears - look at her Facebook page
https://www.facebook.com/ashley.barrett.7798
SERIOUSLY ?! This is totally what Amanda did.
Hey Jude you made me laugh out loud just now with the "Davey's unsuitable garden parasol" comment. . . thank you
Ashley can't be a SWF, because she is married and has a husband. A handsome one (underneath all the hair) at that, even manlier than Davey. Maybe not as muscly-for-show, but "useful" muscles. Derek is a very useful engine. He's a musician, having trained specifically for megachurch-style performing. Ashley is a trained church lady. She was in her element when Davey actually got out of her way and let her do local outreach.
Having a husband is very sensitive to Me2l.
It is amusing how she intentionally misspells "Derick".
Megs: '....and if I'm being honest I try to wish myself back to the last day I saw you'. - if she's being honest - a bit of an if going on there.
'. I know I'm better at loving people, taking courageous steps of faith and repurposing furniture because of knowing you.' - Nah, Megs just thought she was better than Amanda.
'I don't think there's Instagram in heaven ... but maybe ... so if somehow you can see this @amandagblackburn save me a seat at your kitchen counter, I have so much to tell you when I see you again. #NothingIsWasted
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^Retch.^
HJ don't retch at Megs/Me2l's writing. She respects you...and she's going to write a book (in addition to the one she wrote for Davey)!
Meg's Blog 11/21/2008
"I’ve been toying around with this book idea in my head for a few weeks now. Honestly, I thought it would fade after the initial excitement of the IDEA, but it’s really begining to play out into my life. What I mean by that is that I see instances of it everywhere, I’ve begun relating this idea to EVERYTHING in life, and everyone I talk to acts as if I’ve just discovered something they never knew they always felt. Which, is exactly my aim in this “book”. My biggest excuse lately is that my computer is not working…if only I had my computer i could write more! boo on that excuse. This is definitely something on my list I thought I wouldn’t get to until WAY later in life, but when a good idea comes why not act on it. Life is TOO short to put silly ideas off until later. Besides I’m learning more and more daily that books are not fore others, it is for me. So even if it never gets read by another soul on earth, I will have it, I will learn from it, and ultimately God will be glorified, no matter how it goes down."
Interesting, 9 years ago Meg says something can "go down" and glorify god at the same time.
and ultimately God will be glorified, no matter how it goes down.
Interesting, 9 years ago Meg says something can "go down" and glorify god at the same time.
Which came first, the chicken or the egg? This sounds just like Davey saying Amanda took trash and turned it into treasure and Jesus is lifted up and exponentially more people are being impacted for God because of what happened to Amanda.
WOW Bobcat.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BTl88q7gIUJ/
This was on instagram. Megs is stuck in Indiana, and writing a NTP that she is crying happy tears about it.
8-(
Blogger Bobcat said...
HJ don't retch at Megs/Me2l's writing. She respects you...and she's going to write a book (in addition to the one she wrote for Davey)!
Dear lord, you're a pathetically lacking analyst if you think I'm Meg. That's insulting to me, since her writing lacks my intelligence. It wasn't so long ago you were positive I'm Davey. Now Meg? Lol. Flawed analysis and again, a prime illustration of your elemental thought process, never mind your lack of SA progress.
I read a funny Reddit post....a poster was talking about reading the SA blogs and how deluded some of the commenters can be, thinking this is so central to whatever case they are discussing that they truly believe some of the "characters" check in and post. She said she was "analyzed" as being the accused killer at one point.
Lord. What a disconnect.
Glad to have caused you a smile, Flightful.
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Running buddy - is that Amanda's way of defining for Ashley, the extent of their friendship? Maybe if Amanda did not want a closer friendship than that with Ashley, while Ashley did not take no for an answer.
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A thought I have about Amanda is that perhaps she resisted, or tried to resist having a best friend, because it could be difficult for others to form close friendships with Her if they thought she had a favoured friend, If Ashley was going round saying Amanda was her best friend, that might have upset Amanda, and caused a distancing. Amanda liked to speak with people, and listen to them, and I should think would have many people,who were friends, but not want one claiming best friend status, in case it had the effect of hurting or even alienating other friends. Ashley may have been doing that, with the intention of isolating Amanda socially, either because she did want her to be her 'very best friend' or because she didn't want Amanda to have other friends. So, Amanda posts that Ashley is her running buddy, in order that others can know she does not consider Ashley to be a 'best friend'. I think quite difficult for Amanda - despite the claims, none of those who claim to have been close friends appear to have been close. I find it so strange how there can be so many smiles at a time when one would expect grief and shock to be most in evidence. It is difficult to understand, even with the 'rejoice in all things' mindset, there is also the time to mourn and weep, which they skipped. Well, it looks that way - I haven't see the friends in mourning, sadness or weeping. I think Amanda was quite self-contained, and either did not keep close friendships, preferring her family as friends, or her real best friend has yet to appear on the scene. It's quite possible she just did not form overly close friendships, so that she could be anyone's friend without feeling a particular obligation to favour or spend too much time with one or another. It may be that Ashley or Meg, or both, sought to isolate her socially - either because they did want to be her closest friends, or because they didn't want her to have other friends.
"I'd give anything for just one more cookie"
Can these people make it any clearer they were sleeping with Davey?
I totally don't get it when I hear of a new Mom with a baby who's husband has someone else move into the house, like in this case Meg. If my husband ever tried to do that I would be all up in the person's face telling him/her to get the hell out. They would leave. They would not stay for a single night. I would physically block them from sitting down on my furniture if this individual thought they were going to live there while I had a new baby! I would command them to leave. For God's sakes I had to kick a guy out of my sister's house while she was raising 2 young kids bc she didn't feel able to stand up to her husband and the houseguest so I made sure that guy got kicked out the next day after she told me.
Ashley is a jealous creep. Wow that is crazy about her turning into Amanda and becoming a furniture refurbisher....so strange about SWF types...they don't realize other people will be like "gee you're totally copying her and you also moved into her house and you now raise her kid",
These emotional vampire types like Ashley and Megs will just sink their talons right into a caring soul till they have sucked the very life out of the unknowing victim. Women cannot survive without toughening up because their are way too many hungry vampires just waiting to sink their teeth right into a kind caring soul. Amanda let Davey move Megs in there?!? I'll tell you if that were me, both of their shit and them would be out on the curb with the door locked. Buh-bye. NOw I get some peace. You 2 can live in a tent in the front yard and forage for food.
Yes, Bobcat, I knew she has been hoping to write a book. I suspect maybe she has, consisting of a series of fake adoring letters from Amanda to Davey, which somehow appeared in his new garage, despite he had already sorted Amanda's belongings before he moved in.
Lol Anon at 7.50. I wish she had done that. :)
It's sad to think of how one different choice might have changed the course of events, and Amanda might not have been killed. Even just locking that front by Davey if really LT and co did do it.
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So, what to look at next, or more Ashley's blogpost. There's bound to be more in there to discuss. I quite want to transcribe Davey agonising over how sick is heart is, though.
Neither person has to be single to SWF. It is a loose concept.
You're darned right Hey Jude, it would have made a big difference. If she had kicked that half-baked homo out to the curb with his googly-eyed homely mistress. I would have thrown a book out there for the 2 of them on edible plants...if they wanted to eat...dandelions make a great salad, a little bitter, but I'm sure that would have suited their dark wretched souls just fine.
Oh and Davey with his vibrant health, tanned muscles, and stylish clothes seemed appealing to Ashley which unfortunately brings to light another truth...that nothing does kill the libido like a stoner dude. Poor Ashley wanted more and her eyes were wandering. The lazy ridiculous love of a stoner, of a man who sits slumped and vacant-eyed staring at a lava lamp and listening to the atrocity which is Phish, I've never experienced it for a reason.
From AShley:
"As I waited in the lobby for Davey and Amanda to arrive, I got a text on my phone.
"I got a text on my phone"
(She doesn't say who the text was from and we can't say it for her. She does not say "I got a text on my phone from Amanda". on my phone is extra information making it sensitive. The most natural way to have said it would have been "I got a text from Amanda".
It was Amanda telling me she was pregnant!!!
Again, she does not say that this info came in through a text...she simply "It was Amanda."
And then 5 seconds later she walked in the door.
Aren't "doors" important? Also, usually one does not say that someone "walked in the door" when waiting for them in a movie theatre. That is more like if you are in a more personal setting like a house...then you will say "walked in the door".
She hadn't told anyone (besides maybe the parents) and said she was too nervous to tell anyone in person!
How does it make sense that she said she was "too nervous to tell anyone in person" if she texted Ashley 5 seconds before she saw her in person.
My conclusion from this section: There is sensitivity here surrounding Amanda's location during this part of the writing. Where was Amanda? She was not in that movie theatre. Ashey does not say that Amanda texted her so we can't say it for her.
***********IMPORTANT: door needs to be looked at closely
This whole section needs to be analyzed again by someone else other than me, to see what they can find. What is she hiding here and what is really going on?
Why is stuff like this appearing within the first paragraphs of these people's writings where we are seeing "shower" or "door" come up in the first paragraphs?
"I was totally in shock
and gave her the biggest hug. (Dropped pronoun)
I wish I could say that all I felt was excitement for her in that moment. But if I'm being real, I also felt sadness for myself."
"if I'm being real" not, "if I'm being honest" but "if I'm being real"...it makes one wonder about whether what she has written in this first paragraph is "real" or is fabricated? Linguistically, there is no evidence Amanda sent her a text telling Ashley she was pregnant. Linguistically there is doubt as to whether Amanda actually "walked in the door" to the lobby of the movie theatre.
There are a lot of linguistic suggestions of fabrication or unreality in this first paragraph alone. There is a lack of concrete physical reality in the first paragraph.
"too nervous to tell anyone in person" (person communicates by text allegedly moments before walking in the door--so lack of concrete physical presence)
"walked in the door 5 seconds later"
"if I'm being real"
Over the next few months, I really felt so much joy and happiness for her. I felt as if she was carrying my nephew! She was absolutely the cutest preggers. She tried so hard to stay healthy and eat lots of veggies. I can remember her asking me how to make sweet potato fries and coconut oil chocolate bars.
AShley is getting a dig in here at Amanda by saying she "tried" so hard to eat healthy and eat lots of veggies but then negates this by saying that she makes sweet potato fries (very unhealthy) and coconut oil chocolate bars (unhealthy and definitely not a vege)....just as I said, AShley is jealous about weight.
That was the year that we trained for our second half marathon together.
"While my bond with Amanda didn't weaken, I naturally felt myself aligning my schedule and conversations with women who were still in the same season as me. Honestly, while all I wanted to do was talk about and know all of the details of Amanda's pregnancy, there was a little bit of relief in my heart when I could just chat with other girls about our dog-babies and non-mom life. Please hear my heart, it was not jealousy or bitterness that I was feeling at the time, but a relentless longing in my heart that could not yet be fulfilled."
What was the relentless longing in her heart? This is phrased as if the "relentless longing" has been fulfilled at the time she is writing it, yet she has not had a baby at the point she is writing this. So, what was "relentless longing"?
When Weston finally came along, I loved him more than I had ever loved a little boy before. Amanda was so good about involving me in her new life those first few months
How can Weston already be a "little boy" who "tags along" with them when he is a newborn baby during the "first few months"?
. Weston was a new addition to our friendship, and just tagged along when we garage-saled or laid out at the pool. While things were certainly different, our love of spending time together didn't change.
If we had not sat down to that lunch, I would be carrying a guilt today that would be too much to bear. I'm so thankful that Jesus led our friendship to a place of reconciliation and healing. Please, please, please give your friendships the same chance.
She refers to the "lunch date" as a "confrontation" before this paragraph
"I would be carrying a guilt today that would be too much to bear"
Ashley slept with Davey and that is what she told Amanda at the lunch date. That's also why we are seeing the word "door" in the first paragraph. Amanda walked in though some "door" and say Ashley and Davey doing something they shouldn't have been doing. This is what caused the tension in the first place. Ashley confessed to Amanda what she did with Davey in order to hurt her further, not as a "kind" gesture.
To say these last 6 months have changed me would be the biggest understatement ever. I'm no longer one that gives in to bitterness or envy, and I can now see the value of a good friendship like never before. Now that I'm walking in the light of how very important that last month together with Amanda was for me, I really cannot wait to hug the friend who never gave up on me or our friendship.
Just wanted to note that in this short piece of writing we have both words light and door.
door
light
walked in the door
walking in the light
"Amanda walked in the door"
AShley is "walking in the light"
Did Amanda walk in on sexual activity between Ashley and Davey?
Partial Transcript - Davey Blackburn, Moodswingers Week One
A Gauge Not a Guide
[I haven't included inverted commas - not sure they are necessary?]
Let's talk about emotions a little bit. Let's talk about emotions, because Weston's teaching me a lot about emotions. He's two and a half, and he's an emotional kid. I'm like, where did you get this? I'm sure he got it from his Mom. See, those of you guys who are laughing are the ones who knew Amanda , and you're like, no, he totally gets it from you, bro', right. I like to blame it, like, he get it from his mom, it's like, no, he doesn't, he gets it from me. I'm like dramatic and emotional and expressive and Amanda was super even-keeled and steadfast and immovable and very balanced in life, and so. He gets a lot of things from her, there's just of things that are woven into his DNA, but man, he gets his emotional side from me. Up and down, --- knows, she's like, yeah, absolutely. -- been with us since day one, like yes, he gets it for. You. And he's learning to define his emotions which is crazy because - I don't know if Emily's teaching him this, or what, maybe Megan, I'm not sure, but kids, two and a half year olds are supposed to have emotions aren't they? They're supposed to throw fits, they're supposed to pout - you gotta correct 'em, you gotta discipline em, so they don"t do that because that, that's cute at two and a half , it's not cute at thirty, you know. Boss comes in and says hey, I need that thing on my desk, oh, you didn't do this, oh, you're- you know, corrects you, rebukes you, you can't just like throw yourself on your office floor and just yaargh. You know, you can't do that, that's not cute at thirty. And so you gotta correct him - but he's supposed - he's supposed to be emotional. He's not supposed to be able to give context to his emotion and define what his emotion is. In other words, he could throw a fit but he's not supposed to do what he did the other day where he comes up to me after I put him in time out, and he walks up to me and he goes, daddy, I sad, I sad. I'm like I don't know what you're trying to do to pull on my heartstrings, trying'a manipulate me, I don't know what that is, but it's working - defining your emotions like that. The other day he comes stomping in, he goes, daddy, I mad, I mad. I'm like, who are you, kid? You're not supposed to be able - because at two and a half developmentally speaking, they're not supposed to be able to give definition to, let alone in context, their emotions, but he is, and um, and emotions are really interesting.
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You learn this uh, just in life as you're relating with people. You know, you send, and especially in our digital age of text messages. You know, we, we, we send off these things in in text world because nobody likes to have face to face conversations anymore, right, cause you don't want to look somebody in the eye, cause you don't actually want to have any kind of relationships, you want to keep people at a distance and make sure you just text - these people all the time - and so we, we send text messages but it can be misinterpreted, can't it, because the tone, you can't read the tone in text. You ever had a situation where you can't, where someone text you something, you're like -Oh, oh, you did not - you know where it turns out to be something totally different so they created these things called emojis to help you define a little bit, or give context to your text message, and Um, emojis are great, aren't they, uh, do -how many of you guys use emojis? Cause some of you guys use them way too much, you know like those people who have eight billion emojis, it's like, some people, just text with emojis - have you ever done that with a friend? You just, see if you can just text in emojis and see if you can, it's a fun game, it's a fun game, try it. Um. B-but I've got some favourite emojis, uh, maybe these are some of your favourite emojis, you know the like laughing crying face, like huh, huh, that one - I never really laughed that hard, I mean maybe you have, but um, I like the uh - my favourite one is the tongue sticking out with the like one wink face, like - you know what I mean, just kinda goofy. Uh, I use emojis way out of context sometimes - I've been guilty of this, I'll use one emoji, and someone's like, what, I don't think you're sus-supposed - that's not the right emoji for the text, I'm like, I'm sorry - so you even have, I didn't know there was a manual for emojis, like. Like. Someone needs to define this, so this is what this emoji means, and this is what this emoji means, but it does help, it helps. Ans so emojis, because you know, they've been around for a little while, they became trendy for a little bit and now the trend has moved - uh, for a little while bitmojis became trendy, come on somebody. Bitmojis, amen, right? I love bitmojis, last year, when I was in Israel, a friend of mine said do you have a bitmoji? I said, what's a bitmoji? He was like, oh bro - he showed me his bitmoji, and uh, it looked just like him. Now some of you have bitmojis which don't look anything like you, because you made the
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bitmoji yourself, and you got some skewed view. I'm like no, did you just get a picture of Brad Pitt and try ta, cause that don't look like you - bro, you are clouded in your judgement right now - that does not look like - But my bitmoji looks a lot like me, I really, I really believe it does, I'm gonna show, I'm gonna pass this around a little bit. Uh, here, here. This is, this is, uh my bitmoji - doesn't that look like me? That look like me? C'mon. Right. The beautiful eyes, and just like, I love using bitmojis, they're fun - you see bitmojis out there, and then we had teenagers in the first service, it's really cool - we gotta couple of teenagers in here, too. How many of you teenagers actually use bitmojis? Right now, you're texting while I'm preaching. and you're not - are you using a bitmoji? You got a bitmoji - you got a bitmoji? Do you have one? All the teenagers they said that they stopped using bitmojis. I'm like, why's that? They're like, it's not cool anymore. I was like, it just became cool last month - how is it not cool anymore, you know like - i can't keep track, I can't keep up with the trends - um, and so they use all the gifs now - you know those gifs - some of you, if you're over thirty, you're like what? Uh, like the G I F the new thing, with the new operating system, but mom, if you start using it, it will no longer be trendy anymore, right? Right guys? And so, and so there's trends - but all of this is to help you express what you're trying to say, or what you feel. Express yourself - and you're trying to express the things that you're feeling.
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Now we live in a context and a culture um, where people will post before they process. Our media day and age, just uh, trying to get a story or trying to create ratings, say things before it's actually factual, so now we all know this, if we watch any kind of measure of media, every media outlet is skewed, and you can't, you can't really say something on a media outlet, and you're like - and then they'll have to recant it, you know, recall it three days later because they - they posted it before they processed it. There was um, we live in this, we live in this day and age where we put something out there on the social media world before we ever think about the ramifications or repercussions of what that means, um, we will post things and we won't understand that those things are up there now forever. Indefinitely. You can't take back some of the things that you post. Now some of you, you have those family members, which like they're all over Facebook, dear God, would you stop posting things because you're embarrassing me, right? You know those family members? They're like, I wish that somebody would just take their computer away from them. If you're not nodding by now, you're probably that family member. Your whole family's embarrassed by you because you think that Facebook is a journal, and you can just post whatever opinion you have because you have an opinion. Opinions are meant to be processed intellectually and then put out there to be helpful, but that's not the day and age we live in, and so because of that we have this massively skewed society where you post before you process. When you post before you process there are massive repercussions-it's out there indefinitely. This is why Snapchat was developed, because you could post and it would disappear. You could throw something up there and it would disappear, and there's all kinds of really il uses for Snapchat, sure, just like any kind of media outlet or technology it can be used for good, it can also be used for bad, but Snapchat is this thing, I mean you guys are on Snapchat, if you send somebody a Snapchat, you can send it to 'em and then it disappears. They can watch it once, maybe twice, they can screenshot it if they want to, but it, it gives an indicator to the person that sent it to them that they screenshotted it, but you send it, and it disappears. It's gone. Um, but if you send a regular text message it's on that person's phone up to their discretion as long as they want it to be. So, as I was getting into the bitmojis thing, I would send text messages to people with bitmojis, and then after a little while I had an indicator that popped up on my phone, that said that I was um, I was out of space. I needed a' check my usage management. I'm like out of space, I'm like, I've got eight hundred gigabytes on this phone, I paid the top dollar for the top notch, right. I'm, I'm like, right, I wanted as much space as possible to get as much music on this thing as possible, and next thing I'm out of space, and so I looked on my usage management it says it's in my text messages that I'm out of space. and I go like how am I out or space in my text messages, turns out, that it's because I've been sending all these bitmojis and these gifs, because those take up a lot of space on your phone, and they stay there permanently unless you delete 'em. Don't miss this. When it comes to our emotions, when it comes to more importantly the decisions we make, whether they're based on emotion or not, we think our decisions out of our emotions are like Snapchat. That you can do something, say something, be some way, and it posts and then it evaporates. You can talk to somebody, an' and you can tell 'em off, and you can say that thing that just cuts there - and whoop - there's no
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repercussions- it just evaporates. When in fact, the reality is, and we all live in this reality, it's more like text messages. It fills up, and fills up, and fills up, and fills up, until - listen - you and that relationship is out of capacity. There's no more room left, you have burned bridges, because you have reacted based on your emotions. Most of our regrets in life - most of 'em are due to the fact that we posted before we processed. Are due to the fact that we let our emotions drive our decisions, rather than processing our emotions and making healthy decisions out of those, most of them, not all of them - most of us live today with this one thing, that decision, that one not, that thing which we said - oh, I really want, I really feel, I really - and we didn't process it.
I want to talk for this whole series on what it looks like to not let your emotions drive your decisions, but to let something else drive your decisions. I want, I wanna talk through this whole series about how do we process before we post - because, listen to me - if we don't process before we post, there are massive ramifications for you, for the people you love the most around you, and listen, for where God wants to take you. There is nothing that will keep you from your destiny more than making your decisions based on your emotions, we've gotta let something else guide our decisions, and I want to talk about a guy named Moses through this whole series. anyone heard of Moses? Moses is the guy that parted the Red Sea, the Ten Commandments - Charlton Heston - come on, anybody, right - the, the, no - just me, okay - I'm the only one that grew up in church, and my parents just fed me all of the Bible movies, and that's it. Don't watch any rated R movies, unless it's about Jesus - you know what I mean, The Passion of the Christ. That's it. So Moses was the leader and commander of all of God's people, um, in the time of the exodus, Genesis - Exodus - second book of the Bible, and um, we're gonna see Moses in kinda the middle of his story, where he was about forty years old in this. But what I need you to understand is that before we-we step into this passage, is a little context behind Moses - you see the Israelite people, God's people that he always promised to protect and provide for - they were in a situation, where they're going, God. I don't know how,this is protection and provision - because they were in slavery. Anybody in here think slavery can be protection and provision - no? One point two million people, six hundred thousand men, plus women and children, so about one point two million people - so now are under the suppression and possession of the Egyptian people. Ans so they're - they're being beaten, they're being whipped - all the pyramids, the Sphinx, all those things you see, the [?] wonders of the world, over in Egypt, they were built on the backs of Israelites, God's people. Oh, the people that God said, I'll promise to always protect and provide for. You know sometimes, it's really difficult to see God's provision and protection in the midst of your circumstance. You gotta read the whole story, though. And so God always promises that in the midst of tragedy he is going to bring somebody who is triumphant to rescue the people, and the story of Moses points us to the story of Jesus, to how in the greatest tragedy God brings in a greater rescuer - right, the tragedy of humankind falling, Jesus steps in, and through tragedy, he rescues his people, okay. And so Moses is this person, this archetype of Jesus, this rescuer, this deliverer, but where we're going to see him is not in a rescuing delivering um, situation, at least not in a proper rescuing situation.
[that is only up to around the fifteen minute mark of almost an hour talk so far - don't know if I will do all the rest - will do some moreover it later, when I feel like it]
Moreover - more of
WOW Hey Jude, what a job - thank you for taking the time. I bet your ears need bleach by now (eyes too if you were watching him on video). And this is only fifteen minutes of it. . .
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2017/05/4232017-moodswingers-week-one-gauge-not.html
I copied to the transcript blog. Thanks HJ!
I dunno Anon - she's not talking about Weston - a newborn is not a little boy - at least most people would say baby, of such a newborn. Srill, we don't know if that is necessarily so of Ashley - maybe the are other examples of what she normally said, but if so, I don't have any. And the 'tagged along', of Weston, just can't make sense - she is speaking of only the first few months of his life - a tiny baby. So while she gives the impression she is talking about Weston, what she says does not apply to him. What does that mean? Did she actually have very little contact with him? Or is it some vague attempt at a criticism of Amanda - trying to imply she was acting as though the baby had to 'tag along' with them sort of thing ?
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What is the thing about a phone representing a person? I don't know how that works, or if it would apply to Ashley receiving a test on her phone. Like, where else would she receive a text message - could be in 'messages' on IPad, or something, if she had an iPhone. Not sure how other tablets and type of phone work.
Yes, okay, Bobcat. I'm thinking to make a blog for my transcripts, as I've made quite a few, and of any others anyone would be willing to let me add - only transcripts, comments disabled, so that I, and anyone who might find it useful, could easily find and use them. I need one of those round tuits, hopefully will get round to it. :)
I made a couple of transcripts, long-hand (!) of Elliot Rogers' YouTubes at the time - still have not got round to typing them, or even reading them, but I am thinking to put those up there, too, and any other randomness I might transcribe. I don't know why I wanted to transcribe him, only that I was interested in the case, and him, at the time. Still, excuse the OTness. Better had get some sleep about now.
Hey Jude, I just read through 2 of your translation posts (great job!) of Davey's speech or sermon (I got down through the part where he is talking about emojis.
He's on cocaine. That is how you talk and think when you are on cocaine.
@ Hey Jude 11:39,
I think it means that AShley had very little contact with Weston, perhaps none.
I think the thing about her getting a text from amanda on her phone at the movie lobby was a fabrication.
These 2 had a falling out, and it has something to do with Amanda "walking in the door" but it was NOT the door of the movie theatre.
Acting like you thought your wife fell and/or had a miscarriage and saying "but she's still breathing" tells me this husband knew she was shot in the head. That is the only reason, in my mind, that there would be any reason to think she may not still be breathing! Then add on all the rest: her position and clothing, only a ladder and lamp broken in a "fall", the phone calls to ambulance, friends and family, Weston in his bed, the dog, his actions and reactions in a short time span; how can it make sense that he didn't have guilty knowledge of her murder by execution. And yes, the police where incompetent or they chose to close their eyes for some reason that will probably never be known because every one of Amanda's friends and family closed their eyes too.
Flightful #thebestisyettocome. #worstactually
Yes, I had him in picture-in-picture, small as it can go, while I transcribed in 'Pages' - it's easy to stop and start the video that way. Though I already had watched it in full screen a day or two back.
How do you know that, Anon - I am interested. What do you think he is on cocaine, and that he couldn't talk in that way naturally?
This bit is a bit messed up
gets a lot of things from her, there's just of things that are woven into his DNA, but man, he gets his emotional side from me. Up and down, --- knows, she's like, yeah, absolutely. -- been with us since day one, like yes, he gets it for. You.
Those long dashes are where there should,be a name, which I didn't catch - forgot to put brackets and question mark there, as I intended to go back and listen again for the name, but I forgot. and 'he gets it for you' - should be 'he gets it from you.'
Someone mentioned up stream about the black SUV. I have always wondered if some one involved in the murder was driving it fast for some reason. We don't know if it was daveys, no one let us know anymore info about it. It came round about 6 am, Davey left at 6:11 am, so he or some one with him may have been setting up her murder, by driving Davey out and back in to the neiborhood. Police said it used to move stolen goods, but all that was in the Sebring. What ever happened to it. Did Davey ever drive his after AB died? Did he sell it for the new truck. I never heard it was found or if police decided it had nothing to do with her murder. I do think Davey knew some guys close to the big boss, Alonzo with ALonso showing off a lot of money on Facebook, and talking to the men robbing houses on the phone, but never charged with anything. We still don't know any pieces to the puzzle of the SUV.
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Me2l aka Brenda Lepchenko aka ColorMePastel
Gosh that was easy.
It should be easy. If you were half as good as you think you are, you'd have had that one months ago. As it is, I had to direct you there with a BIG clue.
I haven't ever tried to make it difficult. Why do you think you've discovered something major? You've only "discovered" the obvious and what I made available to you.
Of course, for someone with limited analysis skills, I suppose you get an emotional high each time you stumble onto sketching you think is intended to be a mystery.
I've become as important to you as the Blackburn case.
*something
Someone posted above whether Amanda had close friendships. Amanda had a tight circle of childhood of lovely friends from Elkart. I think many of them attended her father's sane church. She also had a close, seemingly normal family. Her demise came in getting caught up in the mental case that is Davey Blackburn and the Newspring/Elevation machine. I doubt Ashley or Megs measured up to the lovely ladies that were her closest from childhood. Just from social media appearances, all of Megs and Ashley friendships come from either Resonate or Newspring. The same with Davey. He didn't seem to carry any close friendships from childhood like Amanda did besides his friend Kenneth Wagner from college.
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Acting like you thought your wife fell and/or had a miscarriage and saying "but she's still breathing" tells me this husband knew she was shot in the head. That is the only reason, in my mind, that there would be any reason to think she may not still be breathing! Then add on all the rest: her position and clothing, only a ladder and lamp broken in a "fall", the phone calls to ambulance, friends and family, Weston in his bed, the dog, his actions and reactions in a short time span; how can it make sense that he didn't have guilty knowledge of her murder by execution. And yes, the police where incompetent or they chose to close their eyes for some reason that will probably never be known because every one of Amanda's friends and family closed their eyes too.
Yes yes ! It would have been wild to be a fly on the wall that morning when Davey came home from the gym to shower and found Amanda was still alive - barely, but alive. There's no way he would think she would be alive aka still breathing after everything that happened that morning (tm Amber). How much of an "oh shit, what now!" moment was that for him. He was planning to get off the phone with Kenneth Wagner, finish up his driveway conversation with him, walk in and find Amanda and then wait for the coroner to come for her.
Seriously, imagine the scramble - suddenly there was a fly in the ointment - the feeling that this carefully laid out, orchestrated plan might crumble.
Davey had to rush to do whatever he needed to do in the crime scene before he called 911 as soon as he could. The wording of the 911 call had to change from what he was planning to say when he was expecting to find her dead. He had to call family, go to Methodist Hospital and sit around Amanda's bed and sing worship songs - including the song "Nothing is Wasted" from Elevate Church which was the FIRST SONG that randomly came on Pandora radio when they turned it on - seriously? How neatly did that work out !
Because Amanda was still breathing when he walked in from the gym, he had to be there, by her bed - singing and giggling with Amber and sharing stories and trying to look pitiful and grieving - when he really needed to be setting up the donation page for Resonate's website - and the Go Fund Me page - and arranging for the professional cleanup crew to clear the crime scene- and releasing the prepared statement on the Resonate website - and getting the post up on the Facebook wall and then correcting it to include that he came home from the gym to find her....
The plan had to be altered - but Davey still stuck to as much of the script as he could.
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This whole "story" is so obviously scripted, everything from this song being the first one they heard with the hundreds of people gathered around Amanda's bed - Nothing.Is.Wasted. - which matches the text Davey sent out DURING Amanda's celebration of life service (who does that !) - which matches the words carved on her headstone - and isn't that the name of Meg's Etsy store?
The journal entries Amanda wrote (even the DAY before she was murdered!) - it was very important to Davey that we knew it was "her last journal entry" when he read it in in WTHR interview. Multiple journal entries talking about "what ifs" happening - knowing it might not always be safe, knowing that Jesus is the author of her faith and the author of this story, thanking Jesus for letting her get to see things with her own eyes. Telling God she wanted HIS agenda for her life and not her own agenda. Praying the day before she was executed (when Davey walked in and found her kneeling) that "God would just use us in a really big way". The getaway car being found on the same street as Amanda's ex-youth pastor lives (actually not but that's what he said).
The song from their wedding (to which Amanda walked down the aisle) being the first song that randomly came on his iPod when he got into his car and turned it on....
It goes on and on - it all adds up - a carefully created story -it totally is a script ! It's already a book - soon to be a screenplay. It is so obvious when you connect the dots and notice all the phrases and neat coincidences that just happened randomly in the days around this "event".
"including the song "Nothing is Wasted" from Elevate Church which was the FIRST SONG that randomly came on Pandora radio when they turned it on..."
Was it specifically Pandora? When I use Pandora, the first song that comes on is the song I searched for.
m2m, he said it was Pandora and that it was random ! - and I think in more than one appearance. He stressed/separated the words
Nothing
Is
Wasted
and it seemed like he was expecting a reaction after he said it, if I remember correctly he sort of looked around (sort of like he hesitates and waits for a reaction from the crowd after he says "and I found Amanda ...uh, on the living room floor, lying in a pool of blood"....)
The #nothingiswasted murder hashtag theme song randomly came on Pandora radio as the first song as soon as they turned it on when they were gathered at Amanda's bedside - what are the odds ?
"Guilty knowledge"
What would that entail? Did Davey plan the murder with the thugs or someone connected to them? Now, let's see....if Davey enlisted the thugs or their "leader" to murder his wife, would you think a payment would be part of the deal? Do you think the thugs would murder for Davey without compensation? This wouldn't be inexpensive. For someone like Davey, who, at that time, didn't have much money (as has been discussed here), how would it be possible for him to make that sort of payout undetected? It wouldn't. Even if he waited for life insurance to pay, payment for murder does not come cheap.
Or....does anyone think Davey pulled the trigger, himself? I'd like to hear a reasoned argument for that.
"Guilty knowledge." Hmmm. That almost HAS to imply Davey was involved. How else would he have "guilty knowledge" and on what level?
The conclusion of "guilty knowledge" is vague and begs more explanation. Sensible explanation.
Anon above, Davey was getting wads of cash from people all over the world right after Amanda was shot and before she was even dead. He linked a donation page to his website, had pastors all over the country asking for donations for him (google- there are still a lot of them up), and had the 2 gofundme sites up immediately. He didn't have to wait for the big insurance payout to pay them off. And a church operates on mostly cash, so there is very little paper trail of money coming in or going out.
I think it a little strange there was an issue around Amanda having an agenda, which was always presented as a negative. Realistically, what was Amanda's agenda likely to have been, and which was viewed so negatively, and which she publicly repented of in that prayer meeting with the Resonaters? So far as I can see, Amanda's agenda was to love God, and to do his will. To support Davey, keep a nice welcoming home, practice hospitality, later to be a good mother to Weston.
A known part of Amanda's 'agenda' which Davey did not accept, was that he should not view pornography. Also, the second baby may not have been part of Davey's agenda, but as it takes two to tango, and as children are to be viewed as a blessing from the Lord, the baby should not have been considered a negative, and part of an 'agenda' which Amanda should regret and renounce. At that time, the pregnancy 'announcement' had not been made, so if Davey had known then, the rest probably still did not.
I do think Amanda concealed the pregnancy till the end of the first trimester, possibly to avoid being pressured into an abortion by Davey - if even he took her to Chicago in order to procure one, and she would not - Amanda did look very unhappy in that station Q&A when they were on the way to Chicago. A 'romantic getaway' was how he described it, though one might wonder what was romantic about making Q&A video on the station, or being made to read Levi Lusko's book on the train, which he said had left Amanda in tears. They were not on good terms, and that was hardly a 'romantic getaway' - it may have been an alibi trip - 'Oh, how tragic, and they'd just recently had a romantic getaway - such young lovebirds, poor Davey'. Speculation, yes.
What was the negative 'agenda' attributed to Amanda? Since her death, Davey has made a big deal of changing 'For Indy' - which was Amanda's idea, and in which they spent a day doing random acts of kindness for strangers - the not so subtle criticism being that Amanda's vision was limited, while Davey's vision meant it was no longer going to be restricted to one day of the year, but become the ongoing mission like work of mowing lawns and repairing houses, etc, in a poor area of town. Amanda's day was intended as a sort of goodwill and fun PR exercise for Resonate, and not the whole extent of what she did, or was willing to do #forindy - he suggests that, whilst also claiming Amanda's murder/sacrifice was #forindy - absurd. That is the only thing which I see could have been thought of as part of Amanda's known agenda, which he could suggest needed improving on, even then, the agenda in itself was a positive.
Part of Amanda's 'agenda' was to journal, upon which Davey intruded, reading her journal when she did not want him to read it. He said she sometimes wrote things about him - asking God to fix Davey. It is very likely that it was not part of Davey's agenda that Amanda should write anything of which he didn't approve. Should her agenda be to not think about, pray, or write anything about Davey, except in glowing terms?
Iaf anyone were to ask Davey, or anyone else, well, what was Amanda's troublesome agenda, against which she was discouraged, and felt even she had publicly to pray - what would his, or their, answer be?
"What was the negative 'agenda' attributed to Amanda?"
As Resonate was failing, the agenda was for Davey to get a real job to support his growing family.
"I found a quote on her phone that read, “Sometimes your greatest assignment in life isn’t what you do, but who you raise.” She embraced that assignment to the fullest extent. She gave her life so you could have yours."
http://daveyblackburn.com/posts/weston-i-want-to-tell-you-about-your-mommy
From Flightful "How much of an "oh shit, what now!" moment was that for him. He was planning to get off the phone with Kenneth Wagner, finish up his driveway conversation with him, walk in and find Amanda and then wait for the coroner to come for her."I believe that is exactly what happened! His words reveal the truth. Why would he say she was "still breathing" after saying he thought she had a miscarriage. Why write "as soon as I could" when discussing calling 911? Because he had to arrange things first. He thought he would be calling the coroner and not the ambulance. That is funny Flightful. You are right, he had to sit in that hospital acting like he was hoping for a miracle. I think the first few hours must have been brutal but once the doctor told him how "grave" the situation was, he could then tweet the NOthing is Wasted tweet and sneak off and correct the Resonate FB page with his alibi. Jono said in his blog Davey had to go off and get some fresh air, aka, start setting up the funds to flow in! What a sociopath. He got away with it is what just baffles me. He is even toying with people still with what he says. He is mocking and lying while people clap, pay him and praise him. Jeez
"Or did Davey work with a higher level gang member? If that is true, surely the gang leader would not just be doing Davey a favor out of the goodness of his heart."
Leakage?
Hey Jude @3:59, I haven't seen the video, but it was clear while reading the transcription that Dsvey was not thinking in a normal way, and by the time I had gotten down through the part about emoji s, it was clear he was on cocaine. All I can really say is that is how people think and talk when they are on cocaine: they begin talking about one thing and then become fascinated about some detail they mention and then will go on and on about that one detail giving it equal importance and will keep doing that pattern. Also, the rhythm and manner of his speech, there is that same euphoric quality to it as when someone is talking while on coca ine. It's very different than manic speech...someone on cocaine begins talking about one thing, they mention a certain detail that fascinated them and will then go off about that (emojis) and also the rhythm of his speech. Also, that transcription is NOT how Davey normally talks.
Davey would love cocaine bc it gives one the feeling they are a "God"...if you want to know what coke does, that's what it does.
Yes, flightfulbird, bingo and heyjude, it's simple common sense when you look at what he said and didn't say. I don't know how he managed to get away with it! He IS mocking and changes his story according to what he reads people questioning about his account of that morning. Romantic getaway my ass! He probably said ugly and accusing things to her that made her cry out to the Lord about her agenda. It was CD that wanted his agenda. It makes me so angry that he has manipulated everyone and somehow the police didn't even look at him; that must have made him feel even more secure in believing he IS God's chosen one to do as he pleases. It's downright scary that he has gotten this far. In his Q&A it was HIM that was supposed to die protecting her! The second he left the door unlocked made a liar out of him.
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"Or did Davey work with a higher level gang member? If that is true, surely the gang leader would not just be doing Davey a favor out of the goodness of his heart."
Leakage?
Yes, of course. What else would it be?
You're so good at this. Peter no doubt marvels at your ability.
Lol
TJ @11:16......
You missed the point.
Why would LE miss a murder payoff to gang members?
Bingo said
'I doubt Ashley or Megs measured up to the lovely ladies that were her closest from childhood' -
Their interest was in Pastor Davey, while the childhood friends were Amanda's own chosen friends. Maybe they were not so often in contact, living at distances. I think Amanda was pretty isolated, trying to make the best of life with new friends, but sadly those closest to Davey were also jealous of Amanda.
Meg's bib and jockstrap post - a public signal to Amanda of her closeness to Davey, and of their shared vulgarity, with which Amanda is unlikely to have been comfortable. Megs going off Twitter for Lent, Davey asking her to PM her what she would have tweeted. Not #forindy or #forAmanda actions. I think they liked trying to antagonise Amanda, and that she was at least psychologically bullied by Davey and Megs - who moved in with them, and whom Amanda welcomed, despite she must have had reservations.
Anon @1:44pm
Because LE never bothered to look.
I think there is no pay off to uncover because there was no hit. LT and co, were set-up.
I still think, as from the outset, the most likely scenario is that Davey is responsible,, and the accused walked in to discover Amanda.
How many times has 'set up' entered his language? Quite a few.
Peter's analysis conclusion was that Davey has guilty knowledge of the crime. He has not said Davey has guilty knowledge of a pay off to gang members.
Davey said, 'For us, we have nothing to hide.' There is more than one person involved in the crime, with whom Davey, through 'we' aligns himself - they have 'nothing to hide', which indicates more than one person has something to hide - they also have shown no fear of a killer - it is not only Davey who showed no fear, shock, or grief.
If you mess with gang members, and also don't pay them, you are not going to be living a relaxed life, celebrating Amanda's death IMO. He would be waiting for them to come and get him - so I think, no hired hit.
The beating and execution were personal.
What gang would agree to such a ruse, including the prior crimes, that did NOT include beatings?
Also, if you thought gang members were likely to come within a mile of Davey - something must have attracted them to hang out in his cul de sac, and to murder his wife - then you would be very unlikely to want to set up house with him - if you cared about your own skin, or wanted to sleep at night, which you would.
Poor Amber could not sleep at night for a long time, and the gang members were in jail by then - Davey 'cleared'. Amanda's mother was also very nervous, grateful for the presence of the police patrol car on their street during their breaks.
Not so nervous now, because suspicion of Davey is not rare outside of Resonate - probably not that rare within either. A certain attraction for some, safety in numbers - an audience thinking 'Did he do it?' - it's probably like participating in a live crime show.
Whoever the 'we' is of they who have 'nothing to hide' did it, with Davey, or with his knowledge. IMO.
The pay off to the gang members nice new house to share, or something. Possibly.
Can I even think that?
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Hey Jude has left the room. Pursuing coffee.
When I was in college, I worked at a park and got to know a lot of gang members personally. They are more concerned with killing other gang members than a random woman who stumbles upon them breaking into her house. Most gang members don't like when their own commit crimes against women and children, especially older women, pregnant women and little kids. Most were raised by just their mom or grandma.
Most gang members have no money and no skills to get a good paying job. The only thing they know is the street. They make their money dealing drugs or stealing cars or electronics. They steal when it's convenient. That being said, do I think some would take money to kill someone? Yes, but it would be the ones at the top setting it up (and getting most of the money) and the younger ones doing the dirty work and earning their stripes and probably not knowing who or why.
I will also say that gang members are very connected to LE and know what's going on, who said what, etc. A guy got jumped at our park by a carload full of gang members (the guy had touched one of the girls in the gang inappropriately). They beat the guy with a crow bar. We all hid in a room until the police came. My coworker and I decided that, despite the fact that we knew all of the gang members involved, we were not going to say anything. When the police showed up, they asked us who was responsible and we said we didn't know them and had never seen them before. The next day, two girls from the gang showed up and thanked us for not "ratting the gang out". Btw, the guy that got jumped decided not to say who beat him up either, for fear of retaliation.
A police spokesman said the murder was not related to gang activity - the three were not in an active gang at the time, just their own set-up. I posted a link to that news piece a long time ago - I don't think anyone noticed, or just did not take any notice of it.
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2015/11/23/amanda-blackburn-case-murder-suspects-have-gang-ties/76286244/
Hey Jude said...
A police spokesman said the murder was not related to gang activity - the three were not in an active gang at the time, just their own set-up. I posted a link to that news piece a long time ago - I don't think anyone noticed, or just did not take any notice of it.
May 3, 2017 at 5:09 PM
spokesman
They were definitely in a gang, with the exception of Larry Taylor, which is why I think they used him as the trigger man. You don't just jump in and out of a gang. You get beat up badly to get in the gang and you get a lot worse if you try and leave it.
Could the robbery spree that culminated in Blackburn's murder also be a gang crime, perhaps even an initiation?
When asked Monday, Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department spokesman Sgt. Kendale Adams emphatically said no.
"Gangs are fluid," Adams said. "There was no known gang activity connected to this particular crime."
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Thanks, Anon, but we are meant to read beyond the headlines - if you do that you will find:
"There was no known gang activity connected to this particular crime."
Sgt Kendale Adams, Spokesman, IMPD
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Alternatively, you can ignore what the police have said, if it is inconvenient to the narrative.
Thanks for posting the link, though, Anon - that is the one I was referring too.
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2015/11/23/amanda-blackburn-case-murder-suspects-have-gang-ties/76286244/
"There was no known gang activity connected to this particular crime."
Sgt Kendale Adams, Spokesman, IMPD
Just my opinion.....
I know we've all seen the multi-thousand dollar deals made in TV dramas
for a hit, but I would be surprised if that's what happened in the Blackburn
murder. Even at what appears to be the top - Alonzo Dugoise Bull - you're
still looking at small time thugs.
It seems that Davey's knowledge of the neighbor's schedule, guaranteeing
easy access to her 4 (?) TVs and other stuff (+the pink sweater and sack of
oranges as a bonus!) added to the bank card cash from Amanda would make
for a satisfactory payday for this group.
If you paid much attention to the Facebook pages of the thugs, it was pretty
clear that boredom and peer pressure, cool name brand clothes, smoking good weed
and talking tough were the motivating factors. Maybe add the desire to stay
alive in a dangerous neighborhood so aligning yourself with tough guys. They're
all in and out of jail and aren't exactly looking to put away cash for retirement (or
take care of their many children and multiple baby-mommas.)
All that to say, I doubt there's a smoking-gun-suitcase-of-cash with Davey's
fingerprints out there. But I still think he (and perhaps someone who wanted
to ride his "pastor" coattails to success) were knee-deep in Amanda's murder.
We probably have a better chance of Meg (or whoever) having an attack of
conscience and talking someday than we do the thugs. I had hoped they would
but it's pretty clear they would fear for their lives in jail if they became snitches.
It seems being a murderer doesn't destroy your rep as much as snitching!
Anyway, I'll be over here hoping Davey falls to pieces and confesses someday
and that someone stops him from speaking to teen-agers sooner rather than
later.
Larry Taylor was allegedly afraid to get even a scratch on his face - so terrified he had to shoot Amanda three times, once to the head, just to make sure he didn't get a scratch - with that in mind, I doubt he'd be looking to be in a gang, and to get himself all beaten up, Anon.
Do you people need red flags waving right in front of you to notice the "leakage" from Davey when he tweeted to to Meg's "That wouldnt be cheating would it?"
She bought him a jock strap.
These women were sleeping with him and Amanda was having it rubbed in her face by these wretched women, she was being mocked & humiliated much as Jesus was. She was trapped in a den of liars who then "gambled for her clothes", literally, they stole her clothes, house, husband, son and furniture business. We are looking at pure evil.
I don't recall that tweet, and I don't know what it means either, Anon.
I am not you people, neither is anyone else. :)
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I am transcribing more of Davey, but frustrated as I keep losing my connection every few minutes.
Jude, I'm sorry about your connection...I feel electricity has been weird lately, maybe mercury in retrograde?
This is where I see leakage of an affair:
Another of their interactions:
daveyblackburn @daveyblackburn 1 May 2013
Hey Tweets, I'm going on a social media fast for the month of May. Until June!
1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
Megs @MegsGriff 1 May 2013
@daveyblackburn can you text me anything you would normally tweet? Is that cheating? I don't think so.
1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
AmandaGrace @AmandaGrace
Replying to @MegsGriff
@MegsGriff @daveyblackburn hahah. I love that.
From Datalounge -
Since we haven't heard Davey's 911 call yet, thought i would post link to another guy that killed his wife and seemed to not know what was wrong with her when he found her. She was shot close range with a shotgun in the shower. The guy told detectives that he turned the water off in the shower but the shower was dry. He was convicted but sadly got an acquittal on appeal. Same story- guy became unhappy in marriage, struggling financially, life insurance policy, "burglars", etc
http://www.nbcnews.com/dateline/video/courtroom-reacts-to-haunting-911-murder-call-507711555903
Why is it even OK that he is married an asking some woman to text him anything she would normally tweet? And in a flirtatious way?
If I were Amanda I would have thrown him and that homely homewrecker right out on the streets. Let's be honest, Davey got no game if that is the best he could do (aside from Amanda) is Ashley and Megs. Very pathetic. Very shitty player. Probably a 2-pump chump otherwise why would he waste time with these women? He puts energy into it too--texting them, etc. If that's the best you can do Davey (aside from Amanda) you ain't got no game brotha! You suck at being a player Davey!!! You go after what the cat dragged in and didn't want no more!!! Just like Charlie Sheen--they have great and hot or attractive women for wives and they go out looking for gutter trash like "the Goddesses" and Megs and Ashley.
Oh yeah she fine DAvey right, you gettin her to look fine with Crossfit cause she ain't no fun to wake up to in the morning....Good luck fucker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Davey attacked Amanda on Monday morning, in the presence of Weston.
He wrestled her out of the bathroom, into the bedroom, onto her knees.
Amber is complicit in the staging and cover up.
Does anyone want to re-analyze her 11/13/2015 facebook statement with that premise?
Who has more to lose if the truth comes out?
Does DAvey even buy his women anything? What has he bought Megs and Ashley? A stick of chewing gum they had to split down the middle? Why do these women giggle and fawn all over him? Usually decent players at least buy you shit, expensive dinners, something. What does DAvey buy them? Why are they so enthralled with him? I bet they are lucky if he bought them a can of Campbell's soup that he waters down to split 2 ways. I bet when he's feeling generous he gives them a cold pizza after he feeds half of it to his dog, Mel.
Stop pointing fingers at people who don't have anything to lose.
Davey attacked Amanda on Monday morning, in the presence of Weston.
He wrestled her out of the bathroom, into the bedroom, onto her knees.
Amber is complicit in the staging and cover up.
Does anyone want to re-analyze her 11/13/2015 facebook statement with that premise?
Who has more to lose if the truth comes out?
Here is the link to the Facebook post - Bobcat did an (excellent and thorough) analysis on the Blackburn discussion blog but it looks like it has been taken down?
https://www.facebook.com/amber.b.wilkinson/posts/10207693899607269
The question is, who had the most to gain from Amanda being gone? And it does not have to be just one person.
Use this one:
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2017/04/christmas-decorations-flowery.html
Davey and Amanda were arguing and he raged out of control.
Did he manipulate Amber into helping?
You're on a roll tonight, Anon - gotta laugh - it's been quite light relief to read after ploughing through Davey with a broken connection hours. :)
analyze her 11/13/2015 facebook statement with that premise?
Since when is analysis done "with a premise"? That's exactly the opposite of what Peter teaches.
Partial Transcript - Davey Blackburn, Moodswingers Week One
A Gauge Not a Guide
[Continued from earlier]
When Moses was born, Pharaoh, the king of Egypt, heard a prophecy that said there was going to be a deliverer that was raised up out of the Egyptian people, and so he made a decree that said we're going to kill all the Egyptian ba-, uh, all of the Israelite babies, under two. And so he sends his troops, his Egyptian troops, into the Israelite homes, and they slaughter the babies. A massive tragedy, a massive genocide, and Moses is the only baby that survives because his mom hides him in a basket, puts him in the Nile river and he floats down the river. Pharaoh's daughter comes out to bathe one - morning, and she sees this baby, realises that he's a-a Hebrew baby, and she decides to protect him, shield him, make refuge for him, and she brings him into her own home, raises him up as her own son, under Pharaoh's household. How ironic is this, that Pharaoh is trying to, trying to get rid of, trying to m-massively um um uh massive genocide with all of the-the boys in the Israelite camp, and yet under his own nose, the deliverer is being raised. It's a powerful, powerful image. And so, so one day a-after he goes through all the Egyptian schooling, after he goes through all the upbringing, one day Moses goes out and he looks upon his people, and that's where we pick up on this story. It says one day when Moses had grown up - let me just stop and say this here.
One of the reasons we have trouble with emotions is because we grow up physically but we don't grow up emotionally. You know you can be physically grown up and not have yet grown up emotionally - still throwing those tantrums that you did when you were a two year old, they're just more sophisticated. You know, I was talking to um uh t'someone who's in hiring in a really big business one day, and I said, hey, what's the most important thing about hiring? Is it their IQ, their academia, is it their, you know, is it their resume? Is it - no, he said, it's the emotional quotient, the EQ, how they deal with people, how they, how they react under pressure, that's what we really want to see, because if they crush or cave under pressure we can't hire them because this is a pressurised situation - it's your EQ that's the most important. Men, I would say, men, let me address you for a second - that one of, one of the ways, if not the most important way that we eradicate all of the problems in our world, is if, men, we would stop being boys that shave and we grow up and be men. And we would find emotional stability, emotional fortitude to step into the responsibility, not run away from our families when things get tough, not run away from our marriages when things get tough, not leave our kids when things get tough, not run away from responsibility but step into that responsibility no matter how difficult it is- have the emotional fortitude to say I'm gonna lead my family and I'm gonna step into this. Moses was physically grown up but he wasn't emotionally grown up, we're going to see it here in a second, it says he went out to - whose people, whose people? His people. This is important, who wrote the book of Exodus - does anybody know? Moses did. So after all of these events take place Moses documents it, he writes the book of Exodus, and he references the Israelite people even though he grew up as an Egyptian, as his people. This is huge. It says 'he went to his people, and looked on their burdens, and he saw an Egyptian beating a Hebrew, one of his people, over emphasises it- he looked this way and that, and seeing no-one he struck down the Egyptian and hid him in the sand. Kills him. Some people say that he used his royal staff to kill him, some scholars believe. That's important to know because we're going to talk about the staff in just a second and how important that is to Moses's story.
[More to follow, sometime]
Incorrect. Peter analyzes with premises often. Analysis either supports the premises or not.
https://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2014/03/charli-scott-missing-person-case-now.html
Still nowhere near his sick, sick heart, and they've uploaded last Sunday's talk now as well. Can't keep up. He should be less talk, more action. Go and mow some lawns or clean some windows, Davey - and Megs.
Oh, that social media fast wasn't for Lent - too late in the year. Just wanted to wind up Amanda, then, by texting Davey privately, and letting her know about it. Probably inane texts, anyway, not that Amanda needs to be bother herself about that now. Pillocks.
"Statement Analysis begins with the presupposition that the subject is telling the truth. This is not a moral nor ethical position, but a scientific one. To conclude one is deceptive, we must be talked out of our presupposition."
Statement Analysis, as performed by commenters here, is applied exactly opposite of the above teaching. In these comments, the presupposition is "guilty", and SA is used by its inept practitioners here to fit their "guilty" premise.
Flightful - it took that guy a really long time to notice half his wife's head was gone. Dreadful acting, pity he was acquitted.
I wonder what Davey's 911 call is like - I hope we get to hear it, even if never he is arrested.
"I wonder what Davey's 911 call is like - I hope we get to hear it, even if never he is arrested."
......and he never will be. Your story writing is a fiction tale....not truth.
Which of my stories is most fictional, would you say?
Polygraph Amber.
If she's telling the truth, no worries.
I think it's a bit of a stretch of the imagination to suggest that Derek would ever allow himself to be mocked or cuckolded, Anon. You can't say that about him without more evidence, ideally in the form of tweets, by Derek. I understand that he chose that unfortunate mismatched bargain basement garden parasol, that he owns an electric shock collar, and also that he was ordered by Ashley-tweet to buy her half price chocolates in a heart shaped box, (which order we do not even know was fulfilled' even though she supplied him with a photograph of what to buy) - none of which proves he permitted himself to be cuckolded, in any way, under his very own roof.
Leave Amber out of iIt, I say. Seriously...I don't get why anyone thinks Amber might have been involved.
Polygraph Davey - he won't be telling the truth.
HJ,
Davey's language indicates that he attacked Amanda Monday morning. Amber has published flowery accounts of her activities on Monday, each showing growing awareness of SA - although the first one published 11/13/2015 starts out with alibi language and a strong need for cleansing.
I can't leave her out of it, because she is in it.
Deep. And she literally has MORE to lose than Davey.
Polygraph both of them.
"Men, I would say, men, let me address you for a second - that one of, one of the ways, if not the most important way that we eradicate all of the problems in our world, is if, men, we would stop being boys that shave and we grow up and be men. And we would find emotional stability, emotional fortitude to step into the responsibility, not run away from our families when things get tough, not run away from our marriages when things get tough, not leave our kids when things get tough, not run away from responsibility but step into that responsibility no matter how difficult it is- have the emotional fortitude to say I'm gonna lead my family and I'm gonna step into this."
Give it up Davey. Men don't lead jack shit anymore. Men don't run away when it gets hard, because it never gets hard for them! Because we women do everything for the kids while they're doing whatevah, just like you were doing whatevah (Crossfit, chasing after homely broads)...Give it dude! You wear friggin tights and you're trying to tell men to grow a pair! How's that work? Imagine if you grew a pair while wearing those skinny jeans!!! That would hurt wouldn't it!!! Your congregation of non-men who listen to that cracked out Christian music couldn't lead a horse to water!!! Try changing out of your tights and crack open a beer (oh I know that would be a disaster for your dainty waistline) and listen to some Free Bird and grow a pair!!! Right now the only thing you are set to do is be the lead in Swan Lake!!!
"I wonder what Davey's 911 call is like - I hope we get to hear it, even if never he is arrested."
......and he never will be. Your story writing is a fiction tale....not truth.
He never will be arrested? He hopes. . . he hopes.....he hopes.
A poster was just asking on this board yesterday about whether the timeframe needed to be adjusted because Davey couldn't have pulled the trigger because the gunshots were heard while Davey was at the gym. Someone is checking to see if the alibi will hold up.
I wonder what words he came up with on the fly that morning to describe to the 911 dispatcher that Amanda "was in the condition she was in" (thank you for that eloquent description Kenneth Wagner) - when he had his 911 call all prepared and rehearsed to say he came in from the gym and his wife was dead and then uh oh, but she wasn't !
He had the Facebook posts prepared - he had the statement to release on the Resonate website prepared -he had the journal entries prepared - he had the story prepared of Amanda praying the morning before she was killed that God would just use them in a really big way - - he would've prepared what to say to 911 as well.
Rethinking it, he didn't prepare the first Facebook post. The one that omitted the fact that he came home from the gym to find Amanda. He made damn sure that the second one released two-three hours later included that factoid though. Alibi setting from the beginning - and his being seen on camera at the gym in no way clears him from being part of anything or everything that happened to Amanda BEFORE he left for the gym.
It has been said many times before but not lately - what was Davey doing between 4:30am and 6:10am on the morning of November 10th - besides praying for protection for Amanda and Evie (who I don't believe at the time was known as Evie) but not Weston?
Talking about fiction tales and not truth -watch Davey's stammering and stuttering in his appearances, read the transcripts, compare what he said to his dad and Perry Noble about a fall or being lightheaded - is he telling the truth? About what he honestly thought? About thinking they just lost the baby right here, but um. About Weston cooing softly from behind his still-closed door. . .
Stillclosed? Why does Davey need to assure his readers that Weston's door was "still closed" instead of just "closed" ? That Weston was in his crib upstairs, um. That he was up in his crib.
Why does Davey say he had no idea anyone had been in his house, with the Swisher Sweet package on the counter that he told Detective Perkins should not be in their residence ?
There is alot of NOTtruth being written and spewed by the boy with the white teeth and orange tan and that stupid pompadour haircut - statements that directly contradict other statements he made earlier. Let's start there if we want to discover the truth.
Why has Davey said the things he said and then changed them? Why doesn't someone - someone invested in convincing us that Davey was cleared and therefore he had nothing to do with Amanda's execution - give a realistic explanation for the evolution of both of these statements ?
Jude said
"I think it's a bit of a stretch of the imagination to suggest that Derek would ever allow himself to be mocked or cuckolded, Anon. You can't say that about him without more evidence, ideally in the form of tweets, by Derek. I understand that he chose that unfortunate mismatched bargain basement garden parasol, that he owns an electric shock collar, and also that he was ordered by Ashley-tweet to buy her half price chocolates in a heart shaped box, (which order we do not even know was fulfilled' even though she supplied him with a photograph of what to buy) - none of which proves he permitted himself to be cuckolded, in any way, under his very own roof."
Hahahahahahahaha!!! She ordered him to buy discounted chocolates for her for Valentine's Day LMFAO!!! All that proves is that Davey's ladies are pizza whores...yeah gimme a box of $2.50 chocolates and I'll fawn all over you lol. Derrick is a stoner who's just psyched he's getting laid. He's not very bright and Ashley runs the show. Those stoner types are so easily manipulated mainly due to low intelligence and ineptitude. Very simplified emotions also...very easy to create a simple drama to keep them occupied, reassured and hooked. Something moronic like "I know you love me, I just need a little space to watch TV in the other room late at night. It's not that I don't want to lay next to you at night. Watching TV in the other room from 12-3 am makes me love you more because it makes me miss you." He would be putty in her hands.
Really, Anon. language.
He's hiding his legs these days, preaching down with the masses, 'cause he likes to be on their level, or so he says. Probably the parents of the couple of teenagers who were texting through boring (?) church, complained about the indecency of it all - he's such an exhibitionist.
Another seriously over the top Facebook post from Amber - no analysis, just reading it - wow. SO many capital WORDS - so much need to persuade that Amanda is so happy in heaven (which I'm sure is true, but) - so much creative flowery word picture painting that doesn't ring completely true.
https://www.facebook.com/amber.b.wilkinson/posts/10212354722324924
I don't blame her for cheating on him if that is what he buys her for Valentine's DAy and has to be prompted to do so. What a chump!!!! Have fun with your lava lamp dude!
Re: Amber's post: How can these people think they come off as genuine when they talk about life and death and heaven like they themselves are 7 years old? Like, that is how Amber talks to adults..."it's OK, she's playing in heaven and baking ALL the chocolate chip cookies". It is not genuine emotion. And then, this one strikingly dark sentence in the midst of the all the fluff:
I explained to her that our sin has separated us from Jesus and that we deserve to go to hell.
Urban Dictionary
Pizza Whore
Someone who does not ever get sick of pizza and not only eats it everyday but will do whatever it takes to tag along with someone whos getting pizza.
"Hey what'ca been up to?"
"Nothin much, just got back from Pizza Man"
"O really? wanna hang out?"
"yeah sure"
"annnnnd you think i can have some of that leftover Pizza Man?"
"sigh, yes you pizza whore"
#pizza#whore#food#man#hang out
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Well, that sounds good - I wouldn't mind being one of those. :) No good junk food, though - for best results eat eggs and green leaves, leave pizza for Saturday.
That's funny, Jude. A different read on "pizza whore" for sure :)
Pizza certainly can be tasty, I just picture Davey giving his ladies cold leftover pizza with Mel's dog hairs stuck to it. On a papertowel. With tap water in poorly washed cups.
Dessert is Derrick's discounted chocolates past their expiration date that he found in a clearance bin underneath a box of Kleenex and on top of a crushed pantyhose container, chocolates that he already took bites out of before placing them back into the box to give to Megs and Ashley.
That is a lovely picture of Amanda holding the baby that Amber put up.
These women were jealous of Amanda's radiance. I am convinced that dark spirits gravitate towards radiance above all else, determined to destroy it, so very envious they are of that inner light. Also, she seems to project a certain steadfastness that angered these dark forces.
Assuming Amber's eyeballs-deep involvement in a ruse framing LT & Co.; IF the rest of the family knows, and Davey has 'confessed' to them, it may explain why they stay silent.
flightfulbird said....
"Why has Davey said the things he said and then changed them? Why doesn't someone - someone invested in convincing us that Davey was cleared and therefore he had nothing to do with Amanda's execution - give a realistic explanation for the evolution of both of these statements ?"
I haven't seen anyone "invested in convincing us that Davey was cleared and therefore he had nothing to do with Amanda's execution."
Since I'm the only commenter here who questions the multiple theories and scenarios (there is no analysis, so that doesn't apply), I will answer your rhetorical question.
You typically miss the point. I'm not interested in "convincing" you Davey had nothing to do with Amanda's murder. If you paid attention.....if you were minimally perceptive.....if you had even a cursory ability to SA......you would take my comments for what they are. My comments are not about Davey's guilt or innocence. They are about the inane theories that commenters here present and discuss as legitimate evidence. My arguments are a condemnation of the impotence and invalidity of the months long story-writing so popular among you "sleuths" that has never been shown to have any basis in fact and has made no....zero.....progress in the case. If you're hoping to prove Davey's involvement in Amanda's murder by your wild and often laughable stories, you have failed miserably.
It's too bad someone can't present legitimate theories that are reasonable and might lead LE to further investigation. Instead, nothing offered here is worthy of more than a laugh by LE (or any reader of this blog) as they have access to more in-depth knowledge, not to mention forensic tools (including their own SA) than you fakes and are far ahead of you in following leads.
Instead of offering reasonable theories, you come up with "Me2l is Davey." "Ooops, scratch that. Me2l is Meg."
Good grief. Instead of turning this into a comedy routine, why can't anyone here even come close to "cracking" this case?
BTW, LE did, indeed, clear Davey. Why haven't you crime investigators been able to indict him?
HeyJude said...
"Leave Amber out of iIt, I say. Seriously...I don't get why anyone thinks Amber might have been involved."
......because of a severely limited ability to properly analyze.
I'm amazed that Bobcat's wild theories are ever taken seriously by anyone here (maybe they aren't). Her analyses are off the chart in fantasy land, with her inability to understand that this blog is not the epicenter of investigation and activity regarding the Blackburn case. What that means is Davey, Megs, Perry, Amber, Ashley m, et al do not read and post here in the hopes of "covering up their crime." That mindset is so elemental and unintelligent, but it isan illustration of the prototypical "basement dweller" who could use a dose of reality.
HeyJude said...
"Leave Amber out of iIt, I say. Seriously...I don't get why anyone thinks Amber might have been involved."
......because of a severely limited ability to properly analyze.
I'm amazed that Bobcat's wild theories are ever taken seriously by anyone here (maybe they aren't). Her analyses are off the chart in fantasy land, with her inability to understand that this blog is not the epicenter of investigation and activity regarding the Blackburn case. What that means is Davey, Megs, Perry, Amber, Ashley, et al do not read and post here in the hopes of "covering up their crime." That mindset is so elemental and unintelligent, but it is an illustration of the prototypical "basement dweller" who could use a dose of reality.
Anon - we'll see how 'inane' the theories around Davey's 911 call are when we hear it.
'Still breathing' - 'I called 911 as soon as I could.'
Yet he has not shared what it was that delayed his 911 call. Why would he not explain - if only to clear up people's assumption he did not consider it an emergency? He knew Amanda was in such a dire condition as to describe her as 'still breathing'. He has also not explained very well why he rushed home to sit talking to Kenneth on his drive for an almost an hour, and 'to shower'. Why did he even bother going to the gym, as he was running so late? Why was he running late, on his long day, when he had arisen so early, and when according to him, all he did in those hours, was sit on his couch where he spent 'some time in the word', grab his gym clothes, gym bag, forget to pack toiletries, and 'head out' to the gym?
Just a few examples of Amanda's deep hatred of Davey. (She disguised it well.) There are also references to her dislike of Ashley, even though the words don't say that. (But we know, don't we!). And it's obvious she was living a miserable existence (again, ignore her words....look beyond them and write your own narrative).
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Anon - we'll see how 'inane' the theories around Davey's 911 call are when we hear it.
Has LE heard it? Or are they too stupid to interpret it? They need help from you wannabes?
If you read Peter's articles. Anon, you will know that type of SM post by Amanda can indicate something different, and that the marriage might be in difficulties.
Happy couples don't find a need to post much, or at all, about how wonderful their other half is on social media. Where they do, it could be a sign of insecurity, and show a need to present that happy image online. Amanda stopped posting some months before she was murdered - maybe she stopped wanting to post about how wonderful they all were, if really they were not.
flightfulbird asked -Why has Davey said the things he said and then changed them? Why doesn't someone - someone invested in convincing us that Davey was cleared and therefore he had nothing to do with Amanda's execution - give a realistic explanation for the evolution of both of these statements ?
Anonymous at 7:30am said
I haven't seen anyone "invested in convincing us that Davey was cleared and therefore he had nothing to do with Amanda's execution."
Someone or more than one person who posts here has a reason to divert attention from Davey - has posted many times here that Davey was cleared by LE - that if there was any evidence to support the suspicion that he was involved or had knowledge, don't you think LE would have found it by now - oh how wonderful that all of you armchair sleuths are smarter than LE, you have cracked this case wide open where LE cannot.
The continuing statements that Davey was cleared 100% (or more !) might be comforting to Davey and those who care about him but they do not affect whatever ongoing investigation is in process and are not going to squash the discussion on this board. If he really has nothing to hide, if he and his friends and family can rest confidently in their own knowledge that he was cleared and has absolutely nothing to do with Amanda's execution - then no need to fear.
OK I will rephrase the question - twelve words -
Why has Davey said the things he said and then changed them?
SOMEONE who reads and posts on this board knows the answer to this? Until and unless it's explained otherwise, I continue to believe it is because Davey had to cover for what he said and/or did not say in the 911 call.
- IF he didn't mention a burglary or home invasion to 911 - nothing about the ladder turned over, credit cards and duct tape and other items scattered around
----> then he had to later say "I had no idea anyone had been in my house".
- IF he didn't give the complete picture of Amanda's condition - lying on the living room floor face down in a pool of blood with severe head trauma (according to the APC) which would have been immediately obvious whether or not he knew the blood was from three gunshot wounds - severely beaten to the point that her brother-in-law wouldn't have recognized her - many teeth knocked out - shirt pulled up and underwear off
-----> then he has to keep saying his first honest thought was a miscarriage or that she had gotten lightheaded or just fell (in all of his different renditions of expressing that first honest thought) - AND that he had no idea there were bullets.
Is there an answer explaining why Davey has changed the story? He said he was taking mental snapshots so he knew what to tell investigators, then says the whole thing was a blur - - which would also cover lack of description in the 911 call - but only to a point - because no matter how confused and blurred and frantic his thoughts were, he would have been able to describe the scene he encountered when he walked in from the gym.
The 911 dispatcher would have erred on the side of sending too much equipment rather than not enough. There would definitely be protocol in place to preserve a crime scene - if they were aware that a crime scene existed. They were unaware. And I wouldn't be surprised if Davey just said it looks like she's unconscious, maybe she fell and hit her head (the same thing as he told Perry Noble) and stopped right there.
Anonymous at 7:45am
What that means is Davey, Megs, Perry, Amber, Ashley m, et al do not read and post here in the hopes of "covering up their crime.
So this leaves the possibility open that they or at least some of them do read and post here - but that the reason is not in the hopes of "covering up their crime"?
If the poster knows and wants to convince that Davey, Megs, Perry, Amber, Ashley et al do not read and post here, why not just stop there - and not give a reason why they don't ?
Sure, they heard it, and they have it, Anon. They don't need our help to interpret it - they are not stupid.
Hey Jude's comment:
"Larry Taylor was allegedly afraid to get even a scratch on his face - so terrified he had to shoot Amanda three times, once to the head, just to make sure he didn't get a scratch - with that in mind, I doubt he'd be looking to be in a gang, and to get himself all beaten up, Anon."
Jude, you're taking Alonzo Bull's word on this He's the same guy that broke the snitch code and told on Larry Taylor. Snitches get killed but he didn't worry about that because he is too high up in the hierarchy of the gang.
Also, 1) We don't know Taylor actually said that and 2) it makes no sense to shoot someone in the back so they don't scratch you. Taylor allegedly said she charged at him so he shot her. He had already knocked four teeth out with his gun and she was shot three times. This is overkill and this was an execution.
Also, it makes no sense to shoot her so there wasn't a witness. Taylor had already sexually assaulted and robbed someone and didn't shoot her to keep her from talking. And they didn't take anyone else's ATM cards and leave a lookout with a hostage for pver 20 minutes.
Lastly, they were in a gang with the exception of Taylor, who is more peripheral. They even admit they were in the "Kilt Gang" and have IG and FB pics backing that. LE did not investigate this fully.
And I wouldn't be surprised if Davey just said it looks like she's unconscious, maybe she fell and hit her head (the same thing as he told Perry Noble) and stopped right there.
And IF that's the case, enjoy jumping on planes with Weston - to go on those trips to the Holy Land and Pensacola Beach and Disney World and golfing in South Carolina - enjoy driving your new SUV and living with your service staff in the mansion and going to Crossfit boxes -going to basketball and baseball games - because your life could look very different a few months (or years, whatever - it can take years to build a solid case) from now.
Think about it. Why did the 911 dispatcher send (only) a fire truck to a murder scene? (compliments to another poster from a long time ago)
Because they had no idea (there are those words again) that a crime scene existed. Why not? Because when Davey called 911, he did not give an indication that anything but medical support was needed that morning.
If Davey had even said he suspected that someone might have been in his house, IMPD would've arrived in addition to IFD Engine 12.
"The top of Amanda’s head was completely wrapped in bandages, her face and neck were badly bruised and swollen, other scrapes and abrasions could be seen on her face neck and arms, one eyelid was bright purple, at least 3 or 4 top front teeth were missing, and her left arm was swollen and lacerated from near her elbow where the other bullet had entered to her shoulder where it was lodged."
If someone is concerned about getting scratched, they don't attempt to strangle the victim. The immediate reflex when the throat is impeded is to bring hands to the throat.
Amber likely felt like a superstar actress in the role of a lifetime to play such an important part in turning something bad into something good for the church.
IF gang payment was made, I would explore a financial trail to Thor Motor Coach.
Great post. mom2many ^
And Bobcat, who or what is "Thor Motor Coach"
google: Gavin Wilkinson Thor Motor Coach
Anon, I am going on what the police spokesman said rather than on your theory - he said the crime was NOT related to gang activity. Some of the accused had been in a gang in previous years, yes. The execution of Amanda was not related to gang activity, and Larry Taylor was not in any gang.
Re: 10:29, Amanda did not write those tweets.
Why would a Christian wife who's husband is hooked on porn (and therefore prone to cheating, as well as that would be her biggest fear) write things about her hubby to put sexual imagery into readers heads about her hubby (making it even more likely he will cheat, almost like she is "advertising" how sexy he is)?
--only thing hotter would be if his shirt was off
--wish people knew him like I do
Those words did not come from Amanda. They came from Davey.
Blogger Hey Jude said...
If you read Peter's articles. Anon, you will know that type of SM post by Amanda can indicate something different, and that the marriage might be in difficulties.
Happy couples don't find a need to post much, or at all, about how wonderful their other half is on social media. Where they do, it could be a sign of insecurity, and show a need to present that happy image online. Amanda stopped posting some months before she was murdered - maybe she stopped wanting to post about how wonderful they all were, if really they were not.
May 4, 2017 at 11:16 AM
Yes, I've read those analyses theories.
And?
It's such a generalization to say that happy couples don't "need" to post on sm about it, but many happy couples do. Many unhappy couples do, as well
As with much of this analysis , there is no scientific model.
Sometimes thinking for ourselves is recommended.
Blogger Hey Jude said...
Sure, they heard it, and they have it, Anon. They don't need our help to interpret it - they are not stupid.
So.....what are they waiting for?
"I'm amazed that Bobcat's wild theories are ever taken seriously by anyone here (maybe they aren't)."
I'm sure you are. I'm amazed that people swallow the treacle Amber publishes.
"Her analyses are off the chart in fantasy land, with her inability to understand that this blog is not the epicenter of investigation and activity regarding the Blackburn case."
Maybe not, but it is extremely sensitive to you personally - enough to use "epicenter"
"What that means is Davey, Megs, Perry, Amber, Ashley m, et al do not read and post here in the hopes of "covering up their crime."
There's a mouthful of extra information, stated in the negative. Keep talking.
flightfulbird said....
SOMEONE who reads and posts on this board knows the answer to this? Until and unless it's explained otherwise, I continue to believe it is because Davey had to cover for what he said and/or did not say in the 911 call.
- IF he didn't mention a burglary or home invasion to 911 - nothing about the ladder turned over, credit cards and duct tape and other items scattered around
Why would you assume that SOMEONE in this board knows the answer? Be realistic. This board is inhabited by very few people. It's not the center of the investigation.
You people crack me up. I'm the only anon that challenges you, and I don't "know" the answer, although I have a theory, which is all anyone here has about anything.
People often appear to contradict themselves when confronted with tragedy and when in a form of shock. That's not a theory. That's a psychological fact. That may be part of the answer.
Anonymous said google Gavin Wilkinson - Thor Motor Coach"
From upthread -
Davey is a player. As a player he is going to be hitting on any woman he finds remotely attractive including sisters of his partner.
https://vimeo.com/146148634 -
Look at Gavin Wilkinson at 18:50 (start at 18:45 into the video) - must watch instead of just reading the words to get the tone of his voice and emotion - do straight guys usually say these words or reflect back about when they "fell in love with" another guy ? - back then they were just college friends, not brothers-in-law.
He says -
"When I met Davey at college and, even you know - fell in love with him
continues on
and his heart for Jesus
and his willingness a- and wanting to impact the world for God
I just said to him like hey, you HAVE to meet this girl
I'm like it's my girlfriend's sister, I said she's beautiful, she loves the Lord, she's EXACTLY what you would want
Gavin Wilkinson met Davey and even, you know, fell in love with him . . . and oh yeah, his heart for Jesus and his willingness and wanting to impact the world for God. And I like have a girlfriend and this is her sister. . .
Blogger Bobcat said...
"I'm amazed that Bobcat's wild theories are ever taken seriously by anyone here (maybe they aren't)."
I'm sure you are. I'm amazed that people swallow the treacle Amber publishes.
"Her analyses are off the chart in fantasy land, with her inability to understand that this blog is not the epicenter of investigation and activity regarding the Blackburn case."
Maybe not, but it is extremely sensitive to you personally - enough to use "epicenter"
"What that means is Davey, Megs, Perry, Amber, Ashley m, et al do not read and post here in the hopes of "covering up their crime."
There's a mouthful of extra information, stated in the negative. Keep talking.
Of course I will. I don't have any reason to stop "talking", although I wonder about you. Why would a person be as obsessive as you are that Davey or Meg is someone here? It makes you look suspicious, jono. Your flawed analysis only serves to make you look foolish.
Your analyses conclusions shed no light, saying nothing but "sensitive" or "deceptive" applied to random words and phrases. Surely, you can do better than that.
Lol
Sure.
These people are so dirty. I am repulsed by what a deceitful production they put together to package and sell Amanda's death.
Exodus 20:1-17
“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. You shall have no other gods before[a] me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.
7 “You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
12 “Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”
May God have mercy on your souls.
Anon @ 3:08
The subject talked us out of the presupposition of truth.
Deception is the only conclusion, and it is supported by multiple statements.
"It makes you look suspicious, jono."
I am not Jono.
"Here, we will view what happens when an analyst's original work showed both deception and guilt, only to revisit the statement under the new presupposition: guilt.
"Guilty Analysis", if correct, allows the reader/analyst to enter into the reality of what actually happened in the event."
https://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2012/09/guilty-analysis-or-revisiting-analysis.html?m=0
Blogger Bobcat said...
"It makes you look suspicious, jono."
I am not Jono.
Deceptive
Your denial is contrived, based upon what you think a reliable denial looks like
Jono/bobcat, your theory that jono may have had a thing for Amanda and resentment for Davey explains your presence here to throw shade on Davey.
said...
"Here, we will view what happens when an analyst's original work showed both deception and guilt, only to revisit the statement under the new presupposition: guilt.
"Guilty Analysis", if correct, allows the reader/analyst to enter into the reality of what actually happened in the event."
https://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2012/09/guilty-analysis-or-revisiting-analysis.html?m=0
Yes, one of many irregularities and contradictions with the process. There is always a good way out, huh?
Anon @ 2.10 said:
'They also said Davey had been cleared 100%. Do you go on that theory, too?'
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It must be difficult when the last couple of wheels fall off, Anon. Maybe you don't read Peter's articles, to keep posting that comment as though you think it is true. You will be a bit disappointed if ever you bother to read what Peter writes about the expression of '100%' surety in a matter. Didn't someone say LE also said Davey was 150% cleared? Oh, dear, if so, 'cause that sounds like quite a bit more than just some doubt.
Why would someone (a married woman) be "too nervous to tell anyone in person" that she is pregnant (which is what Ashley claimed). This doesnt ring true to me as a woman. If you are excited about the news you are pregnant & you wish to tell your friends, there is nothing that would be EMOTIONALLY holding you back from doing so (telling them in person). The one thing, however, which COULD hold you back would be a physical impediment aka. Her husband not allowing her to see friends. This is what I believe was going on and there is nothing that linguistically indicates Amanda went to The Hunger Games viewing...Ashley merely states Amanda "walked in the door" (does not specify where the door is "5 seconds" after texting the pregnancy news that she was, according to Ashley "too nervous to tell in person". I believe Amanda was being prevented from seeing friends, at least during that time period.
Bear in mind, also, Anon - IMPD has statement analysts within it's ranks - LE know what their public statements imply, even if most people do not understand the subtler meaning.
I wonder why you keep hanging onto '100% cleared', when that isn't even what they mean - isn't it easier to say you don't believe Davey murdered Amanda, and you also don't believe that he was in any other way involved?
In the celebration of life video, Ashley uses words that are eerily similar to one of Amber's later facebook memories.
https://vimeo.com/146148634
Ashley 21:30
"I remember sitting with her, and like, talking with her, and me realizing like, 'I've been talking about myself, for like, a good 15 minutes, and you've been like so interested in what I'm saying, and you haven't said anything about yourself', and she didn't care, like she'd just sit there, and smile and, ask questions..."
Amber 1/15/2016
"Needless to say, we talked the entire trip home from the airport. I realize now that I basically did all of the talking. She sat so intently in the car listening to my stories from the past week."
Anon @ 2.20 - The right time, I should think. If Davey can idle for an hour on the drive, do you think they might not quite like the idea of taking their time, too?
Well, you never know, and, as they say - it's not over till the fat lady sings.
Blogger Hey Jude said...
Anon @ 2.20 - The right time, I should think. If Davey can idle for an hour on the drive, do you think they might not quite like the idea of taking their time, too?
Well, you never know, and, as they say - it's not over till the fat lady sings.
May 4, 2017 at 4:17 PM
No. I think you're dreaming, trying to fit all facets and every event to your conclusion....trying to make your conclusion correct.
Sorry....that's just not how it works. I suppose yours anticipating a courtroom surprise.
Dream on.
Blogger Hey Jude said...
Bear in mind, also, Anon - IMPD has statement analysts within it's ranks - LE know what their public statements imply, even if most people do not understand the subtler meaning.
I wonder why you keep hanging onto '100% cleared', when that isn't even what they mean - isn't it easier to say you don't believe Davey murdered Amanda, and you also don't believe that he was in any other way involved?
Yes, I've mentioned the Indy SA before.
Why are you ignoring the 100% clear but choosing other things to cling to?
Come on, everyone knows there's no remotely possible way they could've cleared Davey 100% of any involvement in the carefully-orchestrated plan of Amanda's execution in the timeframe in which they did - so fast. They can't even clear him 100% of being the shooter because Amanda could have been shot at some point before he left for the gym.
Just because he was seen on camera at the gym during that timeframe when the gunshots were said to be heard does not mean he had no knowledge this was going to happen.
There was not enough time to go through phone records, financial records, internet searches, relationships, connections - and be sure this was not an arranged hit on Amanda. And if they suspect he might have done this to Amanda himself (and I imagine they might suspect it for many reasons) - then clearing him 100%, no 150% almost immediately was their choice while they continue to quietly investigate him.
Davey told his DAD this - so what do you think he told the 911 dispatcher? I do not think he described Amanda's condition in full or even close to it - and I do not think he said there was evidence of a home invasion either.
(11/17/2016) "After dialing 911, I called my dad. I'm, like, 'Dad, you just need to pray. I found Amanda. I think something's wrong with the baby. I don't know what's going on. She's unconscious. She's breathing, I don't know what's happening'," Blackburn said
Wouldn't IMPD wonder why they were requested by IFD Engine 12, wouldn't they wonder why this surprised husband - who walked into the house after cruising on the driveway after he returned home from the gym - wasn't telling everything he saw?
Was the surveillance video intended to show (amongst other things) that see, everything was normal, Amanda was allowed out of the house without Davey (or at all) to go anywhere other than church?
Ashley is deceptive regarding Amanda "laying out in the sun and going to garage sales" with Ashley with a newborn who Ashley refers to as "a little boy" who "tagged along" even though he was 0-3 mos old in the time period Am ER refers to.
Any pics of Amanda out and about without Davey post-getting pregnant with Weston?
Amanda "walks in the door 5 seconds later" said Ashley.
Amanda "never have me 5 minutes of trouble in her life" says her Mom.
What is the sensitivity regarding the number 5 in terms of time? What does it mean? Was Amanda locked up by Davey in her room or house and allowed out for 5 minute intervals? Or, was she allowed to talk on the phone for only 5 minutes? 5 suggests some kind of time restriction set on her that those around her knew about.
I have noted, rather than ignored, the 100% clear, and what it suggests, which is that Davey is not 100%, or 150% clear. If he is not 100% clear, he is not any percent clear.
I will let go of anything if I can be convinced it is mistaken - also, I don't agree with all that everyone posts here. It is interesting to know why and how different posters arrive at their theories, or just their thoughts, what caused them to think that, especially when it arises from the words spoken or written by Davey and Co.
Bobcat @ 4;15, Interesting. What do you think the similarity means? At the very least we know she was surrounded by self-centered people who like to talk on and on about themselves. Ashley was pissed that Amanda allegedly dared talk about herself by sharing details about her pregnancy.
Anonymous Fido wrote on May 4, 2017 at 2:28 PM (italics his)
Why would you assume that SOMEONE in this board knows the answer? Be realistic. This board is inhabited by very few people. It's not the center of the investigation.
This board is inhabited, at least in part, by SOMEONE who feels it necessary to say things like "do you think LE is stupid", "you people crack me up", accusing us of dreaming, talking about flawed analysis and contrived theories and such. This SOMEONE exhibits a need to point fingers away from speculation and try to squash discussion about Davey's involvement or not - some topics bring about more fluttering and barking than others.
You people crack me up. I'm the only anon that challenges you, and I don't "know" the answer, although I have a theory, which is all anyone here has about anything.
OK, you have a theory - if not the answer, at least a guess.
Will you tell your theory on these questions?
(1) Why does Davey keep saying he had no idea anyone had been in his house ?
(2) Why does Davey keep saying he honestly thought (or his first honest thought) was that something had gone wrong with the baby, in all of the various ways he has said that ?
People often appear to contradict themselves when confronted with tragedy and when in a form of shock. That's not a theory. That's a psychological fact. That may be part of the answer.
Should I post the link to the Blackburn Discussion blog pages with the timeline that contains transcriptions of the exact words Davey said in all of these different appearances and phone calls and texts - compared to the APC?
Yeah I think I should
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/09/timeline-of-events-surrounding.html
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/06/11102015-i-had-no-idea-daveys-evolving.html
Davey's words -
4/24/2016 NewSpring recording A had no idea that somebody had been in my house, um, things didn’t look right, it didn’t, something was, was up, but I think I was just in this cloud of shock
4/24/2016 NewSpring recording B And uh, honestly I don’t really know how to describe emotions that go through you in that moment. Um, uh there’s a lot of shock and a lot of adrenaline and, um, I honestly, I didn’t, uh, uh I didn’t know what had happened
May 2016 Pastor Resources Video Um, and so I, I found out while I was at the hospital that, there had actually been a home inva-, invasion in our house, um, so I was just in complete shock.
6/5/2016 Kensington Church I didn’t really get it; although there were things that were out of place that didn't seem right, but in the moment you’re just in shock.
So we have SOMEONE posting on this board saying people contradict themselves "when in a form of shock". Would that be "this cloud of shock" or "complete shock"? Davey used "shock" to describe his situation at least four times in appearances. Is he really trying to convince us that he had no idea anyone had been in his house and that he miminized Amanda's injuries to 911 because of shock?
His words are on video, they are transcribed, they are on the web forever.
So we have SOMEONE posting on this board saying people contradict themselves "when in a form of shock". Would that be "this cloud of shock" or "complete shock"? Davey used "shock" to describe his situation at least four times in appearances.
Is he really trying to convince us that he had no idea anyone had been in his house and that he miminized Amanda's injuries to 911 because of shock?
The sentence in bold could also read
Is SOMEONE really trying to convince us that Davey had no idea anyone had been in his house and that he minimized Amanda's injuries to 911 because of shock?
I am not accusing Fido at 2:28pm of being Davey. But we know he reads discussion boards because he alters his statements and address things in his blog posts and appearances. So the Nike shoe fits. He *could* be here. I think most if not all of the people who "inhabit this board" are aware of that. f
shock vs. detailed memory (at times) = selective memory = something to hide (we HAVE nothing to hide)
LE knows.
http://daveyblackburn.com/posts/reading
Partial Transcript - Davey Blackburn, Moodswingers Week One
A Gauge Not a Guide
[Continued ]
In fact, that's important to note for the entire series because a staff is a very powerful symbol through this whole series. Moses strikes the Egyptian and says, looking this way and that, and not saying anyone - now listen for a sec - you and I make rash emotional decisions, dumb decisions, in isolation. When we look and say, no-nobody, nobody's going to see what I do, this is when we're alone, when we're fatigued, when we're - This is why it's so important to have community in your life, good godly Christian community in your life. This is why we're constantly trying to get you in our church, every person in our church, connected to a group, because you need a community of people who are going to lean in and press in and tell you the things you need to hear, not the things that you want to hear. Who love you enough to tell you truth when it hurts - who love you enough to say, hey, I don't know - how's that - how's your heart?
This past week, one of the reasons I feel so filled up is because I been sitting down with the several people who've been really instrumental in my life, and these people leaned in and said, how's your, how's your heart in all of this? Wh-wh-where's the root of that decision that you're making right now, and man, it was like - I'm sitting at this pizza place - an',an', and my friend goes, What's going on in your heart right now, and I was like - my defensiveness took in, right, cause we like to compartmentalise- I don't want to talk about my heart, let's talk about what I'm doing, let's talk about my hands, let's talk about my accomplishments - let's talk about the things God's doing right here. He's like, how's your heart? I'm like, hayayay - let's talk about your heart! Don't talk about my heart, talk about your heart - where's your heart in that you would ask me about my heart, you know? Like I'm trying to deflect and because it's so hard to open up your heart - and be transparent. We want everyone to think that we've got some measure, we project this image, we've got ev - it's all put together- a-a- and I'm telling you the most important thing for you to have in your life is people you can be transparent with, that can look at your emotions, that can look at your life, that can say, hey, I don't know about that. What is, what is your heart doing right here? That's the - we'll make really rash dumb decisions out of emotions if we don't have somebody there, or multiple people there to say, hey, stop! Let's weigh this a little bit with each other. Plans fail for lack of counsel, is what Proverbs says, but with many advisors they succeed.
[Transcript Continued ....]
Moses is in isolation, sees that nobody is looking, so he makes a rash decision, he kills the Egyptian, and a drastic repercussion takes place. He throws this thing out on Snapchat, thinking it's going to disappear, hides it in the sand, and it doesn't. This is what happens, it says: when he went out the next day, behold two Hebrews were struggling together, and he said to the man in the wrong, why did you strike your companion?
Isn't this us? it's so ironic that he just the day before killed an Egyptian and now he's judging someone else for fighting. Ha! I see me all over this. You know what I do, I don't know about you, but this is what I do, I tend to judge people's actions, and judge them by what they do, but I tend to judge myself by my intentions. Right? I can be guilty of the same exact thing, bu-but my intentions were different' y'know - and so in the space between me and my persona and their persona I fill in assumptions about what their intentions are, based on their actions, and I wonder what it would look like if we, instead of filling in those gaps with lies - you know the enemy can't read your thoughts, but he can plant thoughts, and he can sp- fill that space with suspicion and with assumptions, and he be-begin t-to plant those lies in your head, where it begins to get down in your feels, that's what, by the way, one of my friends is doing, um this same series, we collaborated on writing this thing- in his church he's calling it Feels, right, you know -some of you who're over thirty are like - what does that mean? - Don't worry about it. Got me in my feels, got me in my feels - means he's moved me emotionally. When I, when I saw 'The Beauty and the Beast' - every time I see, I hear Mrs Potts sing, Beauty a- it gets me in my feels. I'm moved. You can get those lies planted in your head and they start to get down in your feels, and you start to bridge the gap with assumptions and suspicions, you judge someone by their actions, and you judge yourself by your intentions. That's what Moses does right here. [to be continued at a later date]
[to be continued at a later date]
Correction
...Egyptian and says, looking this way and that, and not saying anyone -
should read
....Egyptian and says, looking this way and that, and not seeing anyone
Bobcat @ 4.15 - it's their way of saying Amanda didn't tell them anything was wrong at home - they were so busy talking they didn't even notice her distress, let alone let her get a word in sideways. They don't want anyone to know what Amanda said to them.
So, so sad...
When I look at the security camera footage of "Amanda" and Amber, what sticks out to me is the hot pink shirt. Has anyone seen any Amanda photos wearing hot pink anywhere? Robin wears hot pink.
Hi everyone, Thank you for transcribing, Hey J.
Daveys sermons remind me of the tell tale heart. It is beating underneath the floor boards and can be heard in his words; in all the talk of bad decisions, intentions, striking, killing, and covering it up.
I think Davey might be feeling the same fear that Moses felt when the Hebrews said to him: " Are you going to kill me like you killed the Egyptian?"
And Davey was afraid and thought "surely, this thing is known."
It's been noted before that Daveys language is full of very violent and sexual imagery which he revels in. One would think that after a violent home invasion wherein your pregnant wife was killed, and your first born son left in mortal danger, that the story of soldiers violently breaking into homes and murdering male children would be upsetting, to say the least. The sheer delight that Davey takes in violence and bloodshed is very unpalatable. The fact that he attempts to cloak his unseemly and prurient thoughts in a redeeming cloud of "christianity" is contemptible (but most illuminating).
Hey Jude said
"Bobcat @ 4.15 - it's their way of saying Amanda didn't tell them anything was wrong at home - they were so busy talking they didn't even notice her distress, let alone let her get a word in sideways. They don't want anyone to know what Amanda said to them."
That's an interesting thought. Another possibility would be what if she couldn't speak? I believe what they are saying that she was listening intently and not saying a word. 2 different friends say this. Yes, it could be these are self-centered people who don't let Amanda get in a word edge-wise (and I believe they are) but the fact that they both tell us the same story--she is sitting there intently listening for 15 minutes and for whatever other lengthy time period, even the best listener will interject with a "really", "aha", "wow", "no way", etc. Both of her friends tell of how she said nothing, just listened. Very odd. Is it possible she may have been unable to speak, prevented in some way, like gagged or something? Note: Ashley tells of how Amanda sent a text "5 seconds" before she "walked in the door" because she was too nervous to tell anyone "in person" about her pregnancy, so that is another instance where she is not speaking!
Something very messed up was going on.
Ashley 21:30
"I remember sitting with her, and like, talking with her, and me realizing like, 'I've been talking about myself, for like, a good 15 minutes, and you've been like so interested in what I'm saying, and you haven't said anything about yourself', and she didn't care, like she'd just sit there, and smile and, ask questions..."
"Needless to say, we talked the entire trip home from the airport. I realize now that I basically did all of the talking. She sat so intently in the car listening to my stories from the past week."
"sitting with her"
"she'd just sit there"
"She sat so intently"
Wtf was going on? Why does Amanda seem immobilized in these descriptions from 2 separate people. Was she tied up?
Davey can gtfo with his talk of the importance of having people speak about your (telltale) heart and how valuable it is to hear things that you don't want to hear. It's a bit different from being horrified that anyone would be hard hearted enough to insert themselves into his narrative and tell him how to grieve. Or when people spoke to him about his living arrangements and he said that he didn't care what anyone said. He says he doesn't take advice from:
1 People who have not been through what he's been through and
2: people that don't have to live the advice they give, with you.
Two obvious things wrong with that. Does a doctor have to have cancer to diagnose you with cancer, Davey? Does a doctor have to have a course of chemotherapy, to advise you to take one. No.
Davey blackburn talks out of both sides of his mouth. He is a hypocrite. He is a liar. He contradicts himself regularly with the supreme assurance that he will be believed. It is one of the most frustrating things about a pathological liar.
"I remember sitting with her, and like, talking with her,"
Notice how she doesn't mention a location where they sat (on the couch, at the table, in her house)...she speaks of "sitting with her" like someone going to visit a sick elderly person who is bedbound...that is exactly how people speak of it...they go and "sit" with the person.
Something very f&cked up was going on. I can't put my finger on it.
i think it's an excuse for not knowing something which should have been obvious to a sister and a 'very best friend'. They are not the only ones who have repeated that Amanda just liked to listen without saying much herself. So, did she not even open her mouth, is what they are saying? Was, perhaps, the bottom tooth missing days before she was shot, after all? Were not all the teeth recovered? There is nothing to support that, is there - or did someone say that tooth was not recovered, before we knew from Jono's blogpost that three or four upper teeth were also missing?
Talking to her, or like, talking to her. What does it mean if someone is like, talking rather than talking?
By missing I meant knocked out - presumably they recovered those - just wondering if the lower tooth was knocked out earlier in the week.! So Amber and Ashley say they did all the talking, to justify not knowing about the tooth. Conjecture.
Hey Jude said:
So, did she not even open her mouth, is what they are saying? Was, perhaps, the bottom tooth missing days before she was shot, after all?
That is an interesting observation, Jude. I hadn't thought of that...what you are wondering makes sense...linguistically, they are painting the picture that she does not even open her mouth. Especially how they both act "surprised" like wow, I've been talking for 15 minutes and this person is listening and saying NOTHING. Trying to hide a missing a tooth or teeth could definitely cause someone to listen and not say much, and no, none of the teeth were recovered.
Maybe Davey mentioned God punching a partner in the teeth AFTER he had already done it to Amanda.
said...
"The woman who was so jealous of his wife as well as his wife's pregnancy now LIVES WITH HIM and raises Amanda's child, Amanda having been brutally murdered."
^^^ Describes Meg.
May 2, 2017 at 5:38 PM
Deceptive. Leakage
Bobcat/jono, your resentment and jealousy are becoming more evident.
said...
I know it's an old routine, but who would want to point fingers at Ashley TO TAKE FOCUS OFF THEMSELF?
What other woman is living in the house?
MEG.
Let's try this with name substitution:
Bobcat/jono said...
I know it's an old routine, but who would want to point fingers at Ashley TO TAKE FOCUS OFF THEMSELF?
What other man is jealous of Ashley living in the house?
JONO/BOBCAT
said...
Here's a random coincidink:
The first gofundme was set up at 5:20 PM on 11/11/2015 by "Davey Blackburn" from Macon, Indiana.
There is no Macon, Indiana.
There is a Macon, Georgia, which is where Meg's family is from.
cue Fido
May 2, 2017 at 6:03 PM
Bobcat/jono is trying to cast suspicion on Meg. Bobcat/jono strongly resents Meg on Amanda's behalf.
It's becoming more evident that bobcat is jono. After reading his blog post about when he was told that Amanda may not make it, then her death, his words are similar to bobcat's with an angry/resentful edge to them. Bobcat/jono shows that side of himself here....angry and resentful that Amanda was so brutally taken from him and wanting revenge on Davey, Meg, Ashley, and others bobcat/jono implicates.
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