Peter Hyatt on "Crime Wire": The Murder of Amanda Blackburn
February 23, 2017, Peter Hyatt will be a guest on "Crime Wire" live broadcast, and will be taking your calls and questions at 9am to 1030AM EST.
Amanda Blackburn was a victim of a sexual homicide in which arrests have been made.
Questions, however, remain in one of the most bizarre 'solved' murder cases of recent years.
Peter Hyatt will share analysis of the case, including deception detection techniques, and what this may mean for justice.
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«Oldest ‹Older 2001 – 2200 of 4996 Newer› Newest»So, did she not even open her mouth, is what they are saying? Was, perhaps, the bottom tooth missing days before she was shot, after all?
That is an interesting observation, Jude. I hadn't thought of that...what you are wondering makes sense...linguistically, they are painting the picture that she does not even open her mouth. Especially how they both act "surprised" like wow, I've been talking for 15 minutes and this person is listening and saying NOTHING. Trying to hide a missing a tooth or teeth could definitely cause someone to listen and not say much, and no, none of the teeth were recovered.
https://www.facebook.com/amber.b.wilkinson/videos/10208026172233877/
This poor resolution, shot from overhead from a distance, 47 second long clip from a security camera that a volunteer at Trader's Point just actually happened to give her - was the only image of Amanda that Amber has or chooses to share from that day?
A missing tooth would make it less probable that there were any selfies taken of Amber and Amanda together -or with their kids - throughout the last day they spent together that Amber would ALWAYS remember. Amber likes pictures of herself with Amanda - at races, beside a wooden sign.
No pictures at Trader's Point while they were sitting on the park bench watching their kids - none at Starbucks with their favorite drinks in front of them - none of the family dinner at mygrandparents' house - not one ?
It wasn't like they saw each other all the time - pictures to remember the day together would seem to be almost a given.
It wasn't like they saw each other all the time - pictures to remember the day together would seem to be almost a given.
As would including at least one of the pictures with the Facebook post about their last day - if she had one to include.
Here's pics of the Kilt Gang with Alonzo Bull. They call themselves a gang and they look like gang bangers but if you want to classify them as friends that hang out a lot, then so be it.
https://vibbi.com/kiltgang317
And let's not forget the only reason the 2 went back for Taylor was because Bull said he was "family".
Those photographs were posted four years ago.
I believe someone posted here that most of the members of that gang are in prison.
Anon said, '...if you want to classify them as friends that hang out a lot, then so be it. '
What I think is immaterial.
The IMPD police spokesman stated that Amanda's murder was not gang-related activity.
Hey Jude, the IMPD also said they solved the case so why are we still here? Because they left a lot on the table. Have you ever spent time with gang members? If not, then maybe temper your comments. I'm speaking from experience and it's something that LE should have investigated but didn't. Gangs don't die because gang members are in prison.
DAVEY said on video on 7/17/2016 My wife is, is brutally murdered; and it happened as a result of gang violence in the city.
Flightful, Davey had a smile of duping delight when he made that statement in July.
Davey has told many different stories of "why" Amanda was killed/taken/martyred/surrendered.
I believe he lost CONTROL of himself, attacked her in a violent rage, and the rest is cover up. That so many are complicit in the story is horrifying and makes me so sad for Amanda. That they would toss aside the commandments in order to grow the church is wrong.
I am not Jono. I told the truth. I won't make any further denials because it would take up space in posts. I am also surprised that 'those people' would even consider that Jono would make posts using my inferior grammar.
I have had thoughts about the same Bobcat that he lost his cool and beat her up and had to quickly arrange for the clean up/set up. However, the gun sermon, prepared statement and the complete glee about the whole thing makes me think it was weeks in prep. If he accidentally lost his cool and beat her, then he would still be haunted by it. The Nothing is Wasted and quick justification and reason for her death (to grow the church) also point to serious planning. I just don't understand at all anyone's blame on Amber. Amber had nothing to gain from this. Davey had much to gain and has enjoyed the riches of the life he was awarded due to her death.
Has anyone seen that Davey received $8900 from someone named Holly Wells on his original Go Fund Me page. You know the one set up for Davey by Davey while Amanda hung on for life in the hospital.
http://daveyblackburn.com/
Helping You Find Your Purpose in Pain. Right next to a joyful, happy, smiling Davey head shot. The picture was taken just a few months after Amanda's death.
Davey is now the Pope of Pain. He wants YOU to find purpose in your pain.
"Amber had nothing to gain from this."
I agree. But somehow, she ended up in the thick of it, and has a LOT to lose.
Bingo said
Has anyone seen that Davey received $8900 from someone named Holly Wells on his original Go Fund Me page. You know the one set up for Davey by Davey while Amanda hung on for life in the hospital.
I googled Holly Wells Indianapolis and found
There is a Holly Wells who moved to Indianapolis on October 13, 2015 - less than a month before everything that happened that morning of November 10th. . .
https://www.facebook.com/1846286290/posts/10203483726174245/
There is a Holly Wells who passed away at home unexpectedly on July 19, 2016 (34 years old)
Holly (Forth) Wells, 34, of Indianapolis, passed away at home unexpectedly on Tuesday, July 19, 2016.
http://www.mausfuneralhome.com/memsol.cgi?user_id=1832750
http://www.lauckfuneralhome.com/notices/Holly-Wells
I don't know if the Holly Wells who moved to Indy in 2015 is the same as the one who passed away suddenly at home in July 2016.
Nor do I know whether or not this Holly Wells is the one that contributed to the Go Fund Me page of Davey's.
But someone named Holly Wells contributed $8900 to Davey's Go Fund Me page
And someone named Holly Wells passed away at home unexpectedly eight months after Amanda was killed.
But it did make me think of the words "dead men tell no tales". Was this Holly Wells a loose thread in the beautiful quilt that, if pulled, could cause the whole quilt to unravel?
Is $8900 an odd amount for a random contribution to a go fund me page ? - a very generous contribution indeed, but alot of people go for even numbers, rounding up - an even $9000 - for some reason this afternoon it interests me that it was $100 less than $9000.
What would it mean if these Holly Wells were all the same person?
The one who moved to Indy in October 2015
The one who contributed $8900 to Davey's go fund me page in its early stages, which would've been in November/December 2015
The one who passed away unexpectedlyat home in July 2016
The founders of GiveSendGo are Jacob Wells and Heather Wilson Wells.
One of their facebook associates is a Holly Quaglia Wells.
https://www.facebook.com/hollyq24
Flightful, the one who died is doubtful to be the one that contributed, because the $8900 contribution was made last month.
Holly Wells wrote "hope this works" after her donation. What does that mean?
$8900.00
Holly Wells
31 day(s), 02 hr 7 min ago
hope this works
Perhaps Davey provided a service for Ms. Wells and he asked her to pay through givesendgo to avoid taxes?
Jono has a degree in biology and his wife has a degree in pre-med. They would know right away from the injury descriptions if Amanda was seriously injured and it wasn't just a miscarriage, yet according to Jono's blog, they didn't leave for the hospital right away. The info being passed from Davey to his parents (who then passed it to Jono) was obviously meant to minimize Amanda's injuries.
http://www.vindy.com/news/2012/feb/24/miss-morrison-mr-blackburn-set-wedding-d/?mobile
I didn't realize that large donation was just made last month - so no she wasn't the Holly Wells that died (I am sorry, and thanks !) ! I thought it was from the very early go fund me that was set up while Amanda was still at Methodist.
If it's recent donation just last month - with the words "hope this works" - for what could it be? It is still (still breathing, still-closed door, still in his crib?) an interesting amount for donation, just shy of $9K. If it's an ongoing donation page, why would a donation need to "work" - as opposed to just padding the coffers and providing more air travel and Nike shoes.
And yeah - if it wasn't already clear that Davey gave the impression to Perry Noble and to his family that Amanda had merely fallen from getting lightheaded and passing out instead of sustaining a gunshot wound - (singular, on Resonate web page, minimizing) - it is crystal clear now to everyone who read Jono's blog post.
Refresher: essential Davey Quotes
Of Resonate: 'People were meeting Jesus and buying into the vision.'
Of the fateful morning: 'It was a normal Tuesday morning.'
'Read my bible for a bit. Grabbed my gym clothes and headed out for a workout. When I returned home to shower I walked into a reality I’d never wish on anyone. My home had been broken into and Amanda was lying on the floor unconscious with 3 gunshot wounds - one to the head.'
'I called 911 as soon as I could, and the paramedics rushed Amanda to the hospital. The next 24 hours were a waiting game to see if the swelling in her brain would subside and give us any hope of her survival.'
'The real reason I’ve decided to start this site is to serve you.'
'I’d love to serve you. And I mean it. I really believe Nothing is Wasted.'
http://daveyblackburn.com/posts/nothing-is-wasted
Thanks for the link, Bingo - Davey first posted this a year ago, from the dates in the comments.
Bobcat, the site is not new but the big head shot with the cheesy qoute "Helping You Find Purpose in Pain" is new. He considers himself a motivational speaker and author now. His motto will be helping people deal with loss and pain. The Pope of Pain he will be! He has now found his destiny. Sure, Amanda died but hey DESTINY!
Davey's website is remodeled to run up to book promotion.
I wonder if/when Amber will cash in with her own book. She is cagey when people suggest she write a book after her facebook 'blogs'.
In reading the affidavit for probable cause, it states that Chase had called Amanda's cell phone and left a message about suspicious activity on her Chase debit card. It then goes on to say that an officer at the scene found Amanda's purse and wallet and "reviewed the recovered bank cards and there was not a Chase debit card among them." Why would the thugs only take one card? Why wouldn't they take all of her credit and debit cards? They could easily use a stolen credit card and they could have forced her to give them the pin code of any other debit cards?
AB 12/3/2015
"However, there was only one girl available to cut BOTH of our hair (I was dying laughing inside!).
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207803883356794&set=a.2591341624581.2145596.1285843155&type=3&theater
AB 1/5/2016
"I will never forget watching Davey chase Weston around the living room as Amanda sat on the couch and laughed - she truly had the BEST laugh."
https://www.facebook.com/amber.b.wilkinson/videos/10208026172233877/
DB 9/24/2016
"And that night we went to bed, and, she was watching, dumb finds on Instagram, like, laughing hysteric, I’ve never heard, like jus, gut laughing, you know? And, and I was like, would you, I’m trying to go to bed, I’m, would you stop laughing? You know? Like I’m trying to sleep, I’m trying to read so I can fall asleep, and she’s like “hahaha” like I’ve never seen her more carefree and happy, but listen, I was annoyed with it."
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/09/942016-what-happens-when-you-die-week-5.html
Amanda's death rattle (which can go on for a few days before death) sounded like a type of laughter.
http://www.dzm.com/~zuzana/pogues-laughteria.html
Resonate Indy has updated their website. The home page says "Let's Change the World Together". There is now a store. It contains the album and I am sure soon enough all the "merch" will be on there. Next Davey's book. Just as many of us predicted.
https://resonateindy.com/store
A few of Resonate's core convictions below.
https://resonateindy.com/core-convictions
It's Impossible To Do Alone
"There’s no such thing as a Lone Ranger Christian. Just like you need a spotter in a gym in order to max out, we need people surrounding us and encouraging us so we can maximize the life Jesus has for us. If Jesus did life and ministry with people it’s impossible for us to try to go at it alone."
Davey compares having fellowship to needing a spotter to the gym. Yup, sounds about right.
It's Not About Me
"What would happen if everyone lived by this one principle? It would completely change marriages, workplaces, communities, cities."
There really are no words for this one. This coming from someone who actually admitted to not talking to his wife for days because he dented his grill. Who knows what else happened but this statement came from his own mouth.
It's Not Mine
"What do you get to take with you to your grave? Nothing. So while we’re alive, we’ve been called to manage God’s resources well."
This is just insensitive but what's new about that with Crazy Davey.
'Manage God's resources well' - another term for good stewardship. He managed - 'stewarded' - Amanda, as a resource.
Davey's reading has probably yet to cover the Desert Fathers, anchorites, hermits.
'Maximise the life Jesus has for us.' Maximise? Like a credit card.
The book should flop, but the young ones will be drawn in by Davey on the cover - probably he will go for Davey and Weston to corner the mom market. He might even put Amanda on the cover, too, if he can bear to share the limelight that much. All three would even more corner the mom market. Someone here is sure to buy it, but I hope that is not me. I wonder if they wrote it a sentence each by turn - spot the Daveyisms, Megisms, Ashleyisms.
My prediction is no Amanda on the cover. I predict a picture of Davey alone or with his Weston prop on the back cover or inside sleeve. If a picture of Amanda is in the book, my guess is in a middle of book picture collage squooshed by Davey.
I wonder how album sales have been? I don't predict too well or it would be publicized.
Here's hoping the book goes the same way, because it will be sensationalist exploitation of Amanda's murder, and no doubt of Weston, passed off as some type of helpful Christian literature - filthy lucre. Sorry, Resonators, but that's what it is.
Davey, who can't lock his front door, gives advice twenty-years in advance, to Weston (vehicle) on how to find a half-decent wife. Maybe the book, or a reprint nearer the time, will include advice on how to lock a door when leaving a sleeping family in the house.
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Davey may live to regret releasing a book. Goodreads and Amazon, among others, will not allow him to censor comments.
If the publisher has any brains, they will back out.
I wonder who Davey went to bed with on Monday the 9th. Or is the "we" him not wanting to be psychologically alone with a dying, rasping Amanda?
I stayed with a relative on home hospice in March, who was not medicated at the end. They weren't in pain and didn't tolerate narcotics well, so it was an all-natural death.
I have a good idea of how "noisy" Amanda's labored breathing was...and those scumbags (imo) just waited it out. With Eminem and worship music blasting in their earbuds.
"If the cases (n=15) in which the victim-offender relationship could not be identified are excluded, 63.2% of homicides were committed by an intimate partner. Compared with homicides in which the perpetrator was not an intimate partner, a significantly higher percentage (P<.05) of intimate-partner homicides occurred at home (66.7% compared with 28.6%), among women who had completed more than 12 years of education (23.3% compared with 5.7%), and who were married (28.3% compared with 8.6%). Intimate-partner homicides were most prevalent (25.0%) during the first 3 months of pregnancy and least prevalent during the first 3 months postpartum (5.0%)."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20502288
Daveys notes. What I'm reading may be helpful to you. Damned narcissist. Who does he think he is? More plagiarism and butchering from an untalented murdering hack, who seeks to justify his terrible deeds through scripture and theological literature. Disgusting.
".....because of our fall and redemption, we will acheive a level of intimacy with God that cannot be received any other way. And therefore the angels are envious of it.
And why could it not be that our future glory will actually so “swallow” the evil of the past that in some unimaginable way even the memory of the evil won’t darken our hearts but only make us happier?"
Dark, disturbed and dangerous.
PS. what I'm reading may be helpful to you, Davey. I'm reading How To Get Away With Murder.
Partial Transcript
Davey Blackburn, Moodswingers Week One - A Gauge Not a Guide
[Continued ]
He's got this emotion going. He says, Hey, why did you strike your companion? Then it goes on to say this, and this is really powerful - he answered the man who was wrestling with him, Who made you prince and judge over us? Who made you the boss? Let's ask this question. Moses is about to be - forty years from now - handpicked to be the deliverer of the Israelites, who is handpicked to the ruler and judge over these very men. Who made him ruler and judge over these men? Who made him? C'mon. God. Whole story of the burning bush, God goes, hey, I want you to go and deliver my people. We'll talk about that in a later week. God made him ruler and judge over the people, but the people - listen, don't miss this- the people didn't recognise him as ruler and judge, because they witnessed him make a rash emotional decision. When you and I make rash emotional decisions it kills our credibility. Kills our credibility with the people that are around us.
Here's what it does, and the thing it did for Moses, it kept him out of his homeland. It kept him out of his ho - it kept him from having influence with the people that he was broken for - kept him from having influence with the people that were closest to him. It kept him from having relationship with the people he desired most to have relationship with. These were whose people? - his people. He wanted family - he wanted belonging- but because he makes this rash emotional decision- not thinking about throwing up on Snapchat, not thinking he could just let it dissipate, let it disappear, let it evaporate - just say this thing, do this thing, make this statement, whatever - you - you use this powerful tool, the staff, to tear down, and then all of a sudden your credibility is gone - one decision.
Who made you ruler and judge over us? And not only does it keep him from his family, and ke - but now he's driven out of his homeland - watch this- it says, then, when this guy said this to him, it says, do you mean to kill me as you killed the Egyptian? The. Moses was afraid and thought, surely this thing is known. When Moses heard of it - when Pharaoh heard of it - he sought to kill Moses, but Moses fled from Pharaoh and stayed out in the land of Midian, which was a wilderness and for the next forty years Moses is in the wilderness, kept away from the people he cared the most for because of a rash decision. He let his emotions take over. Now, were these emotions bad? Let me think about it, let's take a really close look at this. Was this a bad emotion for him to have? He sees a - an Egyptian slave driver beating an Israelite slave and he's mad about that. Is that bad? No. it's actually really good. There was an anger that welled up inside of him, this righteous angst, this holy discontent, wh-where he goes, that's not right, somebody's got to do something about that. The problem is he took it into his own hands rather than putting it in God's hands and trusting God to carry out the timing. God had a plan for it - see what you don't understand is God has a plan for whatever caused you to act emotively, he has a plan to make that right, use you to make that right, but when you take it into your own hands, and react emotionally you end up short-circuiting the plan. The plan still happens but it happens forty years later - God had to teach Moses something. It wasn't bad for him to feel anger. Jesus said, in your anger do not - Jesus didn't say don't be angry - the bible never rebukes us for our emotions. Emotions are a good thing - God created us to have emotions, God created us to have feelings.
But emotions are supposed to be a gauge not a guide. Let me say this again, emotions are supposed to be a gauge, not a guide. Let me, let me try to illustrate it for you.
[transcript continued]
I almost made somebody pass out here this morning so I'm gunna do this right. Actually, I'ma, I'm have Emily and Kent, why don't you guys both come up here - cause you're - you were a nurse at one point - so you know how to do this, right? Can you do this to, to Kent? You can pump it up - but I almost made Zac pass out earlier because I didn't realise you weren't supposed to just pump it up and leave it like that - so Zac like started getting a headache, he's like wavering over here, and I'm like, Whoa, what's wrong with you, dude? and I'm cutting off all the blood to his brain - I don't know what happened. So I'ma let the nurse do this to Kim. Here's what happens when you're taking your blood pressure, I don't know if when you were little you guys, if mom took you to Wa- this is me, like mom used to take me to Walmart, I'm like -in order to pacify me, I just hang out in the pharmaceutical area, and I would, I would sit there and put it there and press the button over and over and get my blood pressure taken, you know, it's like it's really cool - but what this does it reads, listen- it reads the vitals - it reads your blood pressure, and there is a-a -an indicator, a gauge that tells you what up your blood pressure is, so as she takes his blood pressure, this thing's saying, okay, well, his blood pressure's high, or his blood pressure's low, and you got these numbers that read it, right? Bu-but these numbers will tell you um what actions need to happen but this is just a gauge- it's just a reader. Our emotions should be a gauge.
[to volunteers] Hold this - make sure you release that when you need to- okay, don't make him - okay, cool.
Our emotions should be a gauge not a guide. [Holds up compass] This is a compass. This tells you where to go. This tells you which way is North, which way is south, the direction to roll in - they look very, very similar, don't get confused - there's a fine line with how we process our emotions - we process them as a - or we should - as a gauge, not a guide. Let me say it like this - your emotions shouldn't be a roadmap, they should be red light indicators. They come up on that dashboard, and you go, whoa, whoa, what is that, what am I feeling right there, hold on, what is that? - and then you check it - you know you take your car in, you get it checked, and see what that actual like code was, for the red light indicator, so you know what action to take place, t-t-to enact right there, and so, so, what oftentimes what we'll do, is we'll feel something, and we'll go, ho, man, I'm gonna do this, because I feel it. Nanana-no - it's not a guide, it's not a roadmap, it's a gauge, it's a red light indicator. They should tell us, it should tell us where we're at, not where we're supposed to go. You see this. When we base our decisions on our emotions it always goes awry. Our, our decisions have to be based on something else. Now our emotions are good to read, and say okay, alright, this is where I'm at, this is what, what's - it's not bad for me to feel angry, but why am I feeling angry? It's not bad for me to feel lonely, but why am I feeling lonely? It's not bad for me to feel worried, but why am I feeling worried? It's not bad for me to feel anxious, but why and what should I do about this? And what should be my filter in order for me to make a good decision out of this?
[More later]
Trudy said....
What I'm reading may be helpful to you, Davey. I'm reading How To Get Away With Murder.
Why would you think it would be helpful to him? According to you and your Gang of 4, you think he's guilty, so if he is, he's doing a darn good job getting away with it....needs no help.
Bobcat said...
I am not Jono. I told the truth. I won't make any further denials because it would take up space in posts. I am also surprised that 'those people' would even consider that Jono would make posts using my inferior grammar.
May 5, 2017 at 1:06 PM
Jono/bobcat, you attempt to make a "reliable" denial, but you fail, because you're trying to implement what you think you've learned about SA. You also attempt to dumb down your grammar as bobcat, but the phrasing is your own, jono.
What I'm reading may be helpful to you Anon. I'm reading Shut the Hell Up You Tedious Harpy.
T.J. said...
Holly Wells wrote "hope this works" after her donation. What does that mean?
$8900.00
Holly Wells
Well, isn't it perfectly clear???? She, along with Davey, Amber, Meg, Ashley, Mel, the sexy girls at the gym, Kenneth W, and Perry were all complicit in Amanda's murder. Just stay tuned.....I'm sure the sleuths will discover many more.
I'm around the half way mark now, another few minutes before Davey speaks of his sick, sick heart.
Trudy said...
What I'm reading may be helpful to you Anon. I'm reading Shut the Hell Up You Tedious Harpy.
A self help book?
She probably means she hopes the donation goes through without any problem - it's a large amount to give online.
What would that buy there? Maybe it's for a particular item needed - instruments, vehicle, something related to youth work. It's sure to be above board - it's on a public giving page.
Why are you reading How to Get Away With Murder, Trudy? What type of book is it, and do you think Davey has read it?
BTW, HeyJude, I chose 6 random posts from you and put them through a word counter to calculate average words per post. You had a whopping 3610 average word count.
You're amazing.
[transcript continued]
Because Moses makes a rash decision and it drives him out of his homeland. He reacts - and it puts a distance - between he and the people that he loves the most. Some of you know somebody, a family member of yours, that because of some things they've said, some rash decisions they've made, it has put distance between them and the rest of the family. Or friendships - it's amazing to me how friendships can - pffff- implode because of one statement, one thing someone says, a rash emotional decision rather than processing that decision. Thank thank-you guys, for your demonstration right there, you didn't pass out - that's a win, right there.
I, I wanna, I wanna show you something. It keeps him out of his homeland - the second thing it keeps him out of is the Promised Land. It keeps him out of the Promised Land, because later in this story Moses doesn't learn his lesson, he has another rash decision that he makes, and this is what it says - Later, in ah, um, um, in an - in another passage, it says, and this is in Numbers 20, it says - and the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, Take the staff - okay um, this was, this was after all the miracles that were performed, the ten plagues, the parting of the Red Sea, the people were out of freedom - now they're out of slavery into freedom - they're out into the wilderness, they're wandering around and they begin to complain because they don't have any water, they begin to grumble, because they don't have any water - and this is actually after Moses had already drawn water from a rock, and so they saw God provide with manna, they saw God provide with water, they saw God provide in miraculous ways, and yet they're in this space and they're going, God, did you just bring us out here to die? Did you just bring us out here -
[transcript continued]
I don't know if you've felt like this before, where it's like God brings you out of something, but then it feels like he's left you in something - and he hasn't gotten you to this place, and you're like, did you just bring me here to die? Like did'ya?....so the people are grumbling, and Moses is sick and tired of the grumbling. I don't, I don't blame him sometimes for his rash reactions because he's got
At one point two million people grumbling, you get really upset when you got your two kids grumbling, right? You got the American family where you got a wife, and a dog, and two point four kids, you know - but he's got like one point two million kids, grumbling at him - he's frustrated, he takes it to the Lord, and he goes, uh, The Lord says, okay, take your staff and assemble the congregation, you and Aaron, your brother, and tell - what does he say, what does he say? - tell the rock, tell the rock, before their eyes to yield its water. So you shall bring water out of the rock for them and give drink to the congregation and their cattle. He says, go tell the rock, go tell it. The first time he did this miracle he said, hey, go touch the rock - which by the way, Jesus usually doesn't do miracles in the same way every time. Watch all of Jesus's miracles - there are blind men that he healed in multiple ways. Why? Because it's not a strategy, it's a miracle. Joshua marched around the walls and they fell, right - did that happen any other time, no - because if it's a strategy then you get the credit, if it's a miracle, God gets the credit. Right? So he goes okay, and the last time he touched the rock, this time, I want you to tell the rock. Which actually would have been a demonstration of higher power and would've probably put Moses on a bigger platform. What is, what is more impressive - to go and like touch a rock and water comes out - I mean, that's impressive - or to tell a rock, Hey, water - brshhhh - c'mon, you know - that's impressive.
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Moses, though, doesn't show restraint. You need to understand there's more power in restraint than there is in reaction. Moses doesn't show restraint. This is what it says he does. It says, and Moses took the staff from before the Lord as he commanded him, and Moses and Aaron gathered the assembly together before the rock, and he said to them, Hear now, you rebels - do you feel it, do you feel the emoji in there? - you feel that? - it's, it it it was the one that is like, if he was typing this as a text message to the congregation, he'd be like --- hrrrrr - you know, the really mad one, with the face turning red, is like hrrrrrm. You rebels- this is what he says, Shall we bring water for you out of the rock? Are you serious, are you going to grumble against God again? He's mad. It's a reversion back to the same - that's not a bad thing for him to feel mad, but what he does, Moses lifted up his hand and he did what? - struck the rock with his staff, not just once, twice. This is reaction - this is, this is - umm-umm - you're really ticking me off, and so instead of going , alright, come on water, he goes, Hrrmm, he let's his emotions drive his decisions right there and doesn't do what God tells him to do. And this is what happens, this is the danger. he says, um, let's go to th- and Moses - and the Lord said to Moses and Aaron, because you did not believe in me - whoa! Hold on - God! Moses believed in you. I mean, he's the one that saw the burning bush - he's the one that went away from Midian and went to go and rescue the people, he's the one that you did the ten plagues through, he's the one that parted the Red Sea. He did some miraculous things- Moses really believed in God, but this one reaction, it says, because you didn't believe in me, or hold me holy in the eyes of the people of Israel, therefore you shall not bring this assembly into the land that I have given them - you're not going to be able to go into the promised land now.
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All the things that Moses did in obedience to God, in one decision - listen - one decision based out of emotion keeps him from his destiny. There's nothing that will keep you away from your destiny sooner than basing your decisions out of emotion. By allowing your Feels to override facts and causing you to arrive in a place of following your Feels. Y-I-it's a - it's kind of crazy, as the next verse that says, these are the waters of Meribah, which Meribah means quarrelling, let me just say this, if there's a lot of quarrelling in your life, it's probably because you're making a lot of decisions out of emotion. S-scripture says, um, why are there fights and quarrels among you? - this is in James - Chapter 4 - why are there fights and quarrels among you? Oh, it's because you - you don't have something that you want, so you steal and you kill in order to get it. That's why there's quarrelling, God - God wants harmony and peace for us as a community and for, for how we interact with other people, in fact, Jesus, one of the last prayers he made before he went to the cross was, I pray for unity, I pray that they would have unity, so that the world would know that they are mine, is what he says. How do we show the world that we belong to Jesus? - it's unity. It's together, not letting our emotions drive our decisions, even if you make me so mad - how do we, so how do we process this? Cause it kept him out of the homeland, it kept him out of the Promised Land, and I don't want that. God told Moses to tell the rock - tell it. There's some kind of a, see - here's the thing - in, in uh church world um, oftentimes we try to pr - we try to solve problems. You know that most of the time in life th- it's not about problems to solve it's about tensions to manage - you know that right, so in church world we will react with the pendulum swing - we'll say, well this is - okay - this is how this generation did this, and man, I don't like the things about that, the corruption, so we go all the way the other pendulum side of the equation - so like I'm gonna go this way. You might find in your own life, right - you're like well, my parents were really strict, they had a curfew, they wouldn't let me do this, they wouldn't let me do this, they wouldn't let me do this, so now in your parenting, you're like, I just want to let him - I just want to let free with my kids, right - no, we need to find the tension, the balance, cause Scripture will say some things, and this is why some people will say that Scripture contradicts itself - no, it's not a contradiction, it's a tension - like this, you ever heard the phrase, follow your heart! Just follow your heart. Can anybody in here just attest that phrase is not a good idea? We make all of our dumb decisions by just following our heart. It's just do whatever - follow it - hhhehhuu _ no, it's not, because Scripture says - in Jeremiah, it says, the heart is deceitful above all things and desperately sick, who can understand it?
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How can you know your heart? Cu - dis- it confuses me my heart will contradict itself all the time. One thing one day, one thing the next day, howww - I can't follow my heart - it is sick - it is sick. My heart's sick. Your heart's sick. You know it intuitively, if there was some - if everything that I felt in my heart was plastered up on this screen, you guys would be like really, like this is our pastor? Seriously? But you, you can't judge me because your heart's the same way. I mean deep down in this part down here, it's like, man, it's it's - I see that verse and like, yes, that is true - it is sick. But then [voice breaks] Scripture also,says this - it says, delight yourself in the Lord, and he will give you the desires of your heart. I'm sorry God, I'm not sure if you read Jeremiah - that says that it's -th-th-that's it's wicked and deceitful among all things, who can know it, it's sick, it's desperately - I'm not sure what you mean by give me the desires of my heart - you just give me what I want - like. What, that doesn't make sense - follow your heart! - but don't follow your heart cause it's sick. Just do what you feel, but don't do it, because it's really sick. Where- what - how? Looks like it's a contradiction, doesn't it? No, the truth is in the tension. The tension of both, because maybe, maybe it's not contradicting each other, maybe the truth lays in the fact that your old heart is sick, so you need a new heart. You see, when you begin to follow Jesus, he even
told the Israelite people this, he said, I'm gonna take your heart of stone, the callousedness, th-th-the stone heart that says no, I call the shots, I'm the boss, I do my thing, this is m- - I'm not letting anybody - I don't wanna submit to God's ways, do what - no, uh-nuh, none of that - that calloused heart, the heart of stone, the heart of resistance, the heart of pushing back - from the things of God. The heart that says, when you come into church and you feel conviction - ahahahumum - Ima - uh, nahnah uh uh. Or I'm mad because this person, or this church, or this pastor, or whatever, told me something that God's word said, and I don't like that [40.25 min video ends audio continues] and so, I'm, instead of going if I don't agree teach me Jesus to see I'm just, I'm just gonna go. That callousness, God says, when you become my child I'm gonna replace that heart.
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I'm not just gonna change it, I'm gonna replace it - it's a new heart. Turn it from a heart of stone to a heart of flesh, a heart that's receptive, a heart that's soft, that says, okay, okay, okay, and that Proverbs verse says I delight myself in the Lord. You're, okay God, I don't um, I don't want to do anything but follow you. When I do that, he begins to give me the desires of my heart - why? Because it's not my heart anymore, it's his heart. You see, he's put his heart inside of me, and - and the things that my heart used to not break for now they break for because my my heart is breaking for the things that his heart breaks for. I'm compassionate for the people that he's compassionate for. I'm beginning to, like, understand some of the reasons that even though they didn't make sense to me before, some of the reasons he said these things about - about my heart and about the way I should act. And from the ins - this is what it's so freeing to have God's heart - instead of stepping into an environment of legalism and be like okay, well we need to change behaviour - gotta do this, gotta - why make sure that you're acting this way, and speaking this way, and dressing this way, and doing these things - instead of that, it's just like, no, non, non, just have God's heart. How many more of our decisions would be wise decisions if we just had God's heart? What if, what if my heart was not - it wasn't my heart anymore. And then [slight laugh] - here's the problem, I have a new heart, but I notice that I still want to make emotional decisions - cause wouldn't it be awesome if it was just like, hey, just give your life to Jesus - ha ha! - and all this problem is just totally resolved now. You don't have any more emotions that drive you to bad decisions, No, um - I still have that issue. The super-Christian, Paul, right, there should have been a Marvel movie made out of him - Super Paul. You know what he said - he said, the things that I want to do, I don't do, and the things I don't want to do, I do - what's wrong with me? He realised he was out of kilter, there's a sin nature side of me that still tugs at me and pulls at me, that tries to get me to react - there's a flesh side of me that - so, so what do you do there? Here's what you do. Are you ready - are you ready for me to land the plane? For me to stop asking questions - and give the answer?
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What did God tell Moses to do? He told him to touch the rock, then he to,d him to tell the rock. He said, speak to the rock. He said, speak, Moses, the words that air out in your mouth. How do you know what words to speak? How do you know what words give life? How do you know it's not your words, but it's God's word? Well. When God's word gets in you. You see, Jiminu Cricket said, let your conscience be your guide. No, no, let God's word be your guide, and God's word is way more than just a road map - cause if it was a road map, it'd be like --uhh, a topic on marriage, what does it say about marriage, right - but if you do 't understand the context of it, if you don't understand the whole picture of God's word - if you don't understand the narrative of this is a document of how God relates to us the character and nature of who he is. You see, I know my dad's voice when he calls me because I know his voice - cause I've been around my dad - when he calls me, he doesn't have to be like, hey, buddy, this is your dad - I know him. He says, hey, man, how you doing? I'm like, that's my dad. Why? Cause I've spent time with my dad. How do you know God's voice, and how to discern whether this is like me, or this is God - it's because you spent time with your dad, in his word. You see, sometimes, in order to make decisions not based on emotions, you've got to tell your emotions what you're supposed to feel. Right? You got, you got to tell 'em - no, okay, I know you feel this - that's anger. But why is that anger? And what does God's truth tell me to tell my emotions about anger? I know you feel lonely, but why do I feel lonely? What's God's truth tell me to tell my - you see, when you feel lonely it's actually an opportunity to press into Jesus even more. Cause you can tell yourself, okay, I feel lonely so now I need to find my identity in Christ, find my,p - my belonging in Christ, because he's my best friend, and when everybody abandons me he'll never leave me, he'll never forsake me, he'll never abandon me. When you feel worried, it's actually an opportunity to press into Jesus even more - that's why God gave us emotions. It's not, it's not for us to feel worried and freak out, oh, my gosh, where are you God? It's like, oh I feel worried, and so I have an opportunity to tell my worry to worship, and trust God. I have an opportunity to take the staff that he's put in my hands - God's word, the powerful tool, and use it to tell my emotions where to go.
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Hey Jude - you are amazing - thank you for this.
It is torture to watch and listen to Davey in the first place - even when the video is in a minimized window.
It's far worse listening and then having to go back over and over and over it again to get it accurate - it takes a very long time to listen and relisten enough times to transcribe all of the uhs and ums and stammering and words he starts and then doesn't finish. As noted before, the uhs and stammering and stuttering are far more pronounced and obvious when he speaks of 'everything that had happened that morning' and the time immediately before it and after it.
The bits I've transcribed seem to take forever to do and they are nothing in length compared to yours and Bobcat's and lynda's. Thanks and my compliments to all of you - and to everyone else who takes the time to transcribe and read and post here.
I second flightfulbird.
I notice that he does not condemn Moses for murder. Instead, he identifies himself with Moses, at the point of the murder.
Additionally, he makes a big deal of Jesus giving believers new hearts, but he goes on and on about the sickness of his own heart. He has always been raised Christian. Why hasn't his new heart taken hold yet?
Flightful - I watched this one, and the Easter one. Mostly, I only listen so I don't know when he began an odd behaviour present in these two - at intervals he is pulling his open jacket closed, messing with the buttons, as thigh he doesn't know he is doing it, gathering his jacket around him, as though he is cold, His behaviour in this one is generally quite odd, his voice breaks at one point- I don't know if it's with mirth or distress - more likely the latter, as at the beginning he said he was filled up today - the video cuts out at 40.25 and the talk continues in audio]. I am wondering if he became more strange in behaviour and they didn't want to show it - they don't normally have technical problems.
Mom2Many - your observations are why I transcribed it - I wonder is he unravelling, or is he gaslighting? He is speaking without notes, and choosing his words freely as he goes along. His focus on the sickness of his heart is concerning, as his heart is meant to be the new heart of flesh, yet he clings to the old, and presents himself in that way. Even though he quotes Paul, and it's recognised everyone who professes faith continues to sin, he is not, I don't think, putting himself in that category, rather as one who has yet to have the heart of stone transformed to the heart of flesh.
His jacket-pulling behaviour is odd, and he's not preaching on the stage these days. - he's down with the audience, and not strutting his stuff.
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I'll finish the rest later or tomorrow - is probably mostly the non-altar call.
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Flightful - I watched this one, and the Easter one. Mostly, I only listen so I don't know when he began an odd behaviour present in these two - at intervals he is pulling his open jacket closed, messing with the buttons, as thigh he doesn't know he is doing it, gathering his jacket around him, as though he is cold, His behaviour in this one is generally quite odd, his voice breaks at one point- I don't know if it's with mirth or distress - more likely the latter, as at the beginning he said he was filled up today - the video cuts out at 40.25 and the talk continues in audio]. I am wondering if he became more strange in behaviour and they didn't want to show it - they don't normally have technical problems.
May 7, 2017 at 1:43 PM
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Hey Jude, leakage? Davey's thighs grabbed your attention?
HJ,
Do you have time stamps for the jacket pulling? It sounds very tell-tale heart.
Lol, Anon - typo, Imthink, i is betwixt o and u - but as you mention it, yes, Davey's thighs have caught my attention. Which they should not - he's meant to be a pastor, not a Chip'n'Dale, but his legs are difficult to miss.. :).I think hat's why he's down with audience these days, hiding his legs, generally trying to hide - I can't imagine parents would not complain or remove their teenagers. He could just get some looser fitting trousers, but I suppose that would defeat the object of all those hours doing Crossfit.
No, Mom2Many -t I'll scroll through and find them when I am doing the end of the transcript.
The jacket pulling could be self comforting. When he is 'baring' himself, the self-comforting gestures are more pronounced.
I believe he on the same level of the audience at this point, because it has shrunk to the point where it would be ridiculous for him to be on stage.
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Davey clearly Identifies with a few major players in the bible. He apparently condones the murder of the Egyptian as understandable and justifiable, if a bit naughty, and completely misses the point about the Hebrews telling Moses that the pot shouldn't call the kettle black. He misses the point so completely, that when he quotes them, "who made you prince and ruler over us etc., he interrupts his own story to side with Moses saying "God did!, God chose him!"
Speaking of which, crazy Davey obviously thinks he has been chosen by God (like Moses) and that Amanda's murder is justifiable and understandable.
Remember this from St. Davey?
"I feel like my calling in life now is to seek revenge on the one enemy that I have by freeing the people that he has in bondage and slavery, by making heaven more crowded and putting hell out of business. And every time I see somebody come to know Christ because of this story, it feels like I’m giving satan a swift kick to the face."
Davey has been called by God to free the people that are in bondage and slavery, just like Moses. Sure an Egyptian was killed.....
Thank you for transcribing! Xx
Davey shot Amanda, but she kept on breathing - a staccato "ha ha ha" from her gut.
He was annoyed with it. So he gave her a swift kick to the face.
And STILL, she kept on breathing, her body supporting her pregnancy.
And AMBER, her SISTER aka The Spin Doctor, is lying her butt off about 11/9/2015.
In Davey's words: "We're terrible parents."
And they shelter behind "God"...
I read a lot of crime blogs but I've never seen such obsessive commenters in any I've ever read. It looks like a couple of you don't do anything else but this. It will probably emotionally destroy you when, in 10 years or more you're still writing the same stuff here and Davey Blackburn has never been accused by anyone who matters of killing his wife.
Yeah. Anon @10:10. (Anon hahahah. I know who you are but nice try) Its immaterial whether there are strong linguistic indicators that Davey Blackburn was involved in the murder of his wife because he's never been accused by anyone who matters. pffft. Logic fail.
Sounds like a pathetic Woody Allen defense. 'I've never been accused by anyone who matters.'
Why does the source of the accusation make any difference if Davey is innocent and 100% cleared by his gym alibi?
Sorry, I meant anonymous Blue. Lol. It's obvious who you are.
Anon @ 8:27,
Why bring jono (and jealousy???) into this? Why not continue to mock my 'narrative'?
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I feel anxious about something, I feel fearful about something, well, I can let fear just run away with it I can just make these emotion - these emotional decisions out of fear or I can say no-no-no - hey, fear! I know you're trying to paralyse me but instead of you paralysing me I'ma let you drive me to peak performance . I'ma let you - I'm a let you drive me and lean in even further and remember that God said don't ever be afraid cause I am with you - that those that are, that are surrounding you are not as great as those that are in you, right? The person in you is much greater.
He showed his people one time, he said, okay, I know there's troops surrounding you, but man, open your eyes and look at the troops that are surrounding them. Huhu - you're fearful- whoooo - you ain't got nothing to be afraid of, they got something to be afraid of. That's the truth you gotta tell yourself, that's why we step into environments like this - why? It-it's because every week we are telling our emotions what to do. And when you begin to tell your emotions with the filter of truth your emotions begin to be directed by truth, and you feel it and you read it, and you go okay - huh - what's the filter - what's the filter effect right here? I'ma - I'ma tell it what it needs to do. But, you know what's imperative? - is that we know this - this is the thing that gives life - this is the thing that gives guidance- this is the thing that gives direction. You know one of the things I told you earlier I feel God is stirring up inside of our church- I feel like he's stirring up inside of our church - to drive all of us to loving this. I'll go and travel, and people are like, man, how did you get through this? How are you walking through the storm? How are you? Jesus and this - that's it. Well, man, what is it? What's - like - don't you feel these things, don't you f - well, ye-aaah, I feel those things. Absolutely - God gave me those feelings. He gave me feelings of sorrow because - because if I didn't have the full feelings of sorrow I wouldn't experience the full feelings of joy. If I didn't know truly and deeply what it meant to be sick, I wouldn't know what healing looks like. If I didn't know what it meant to lack and be worried, I wouldn't know when God came through in provision - of course I feel it. It's intentional that God gets me to feel it. That's why I tell people, hey, don't numb- don't numb your feelings, don't get don't get caught on this medication or this thing or this
rr-elationship- don't let any of that be-be - we all have a tendency to medicate some way, somehow - we have a propensity to do that, to make ourselves feel better to - no-no-no - feel it - feel it all! And then tell it what to do. Take your staff -look at the rock and say, nope, this is what I'ma feel - I d'really feel it - no - I'ma feel this - and even when I don't feel this, I'ma tell my feelings that this is what they're supposed to feel - why? Because of the truth. Well. I feel like it's hopeless- no, we have hope because Jesus raised from the dead and we're all gunna be in et - in eternity one day - and he's gunna wipe the slate clean and every tear is gunna be wiped away, and we're gunna sit in joy and we're gunna flourish and there's gunna be abundance and so that's why I can walk through pain now because I know the truth and I've told the enemy - what the truth is. So, ahm, this whole series, that's all we want to do. I wanna unpack some different emotions that we're feeling. I wanna help equip you with truth. What does it really mean when you feel fear, when you feel insecurity, when you - when you feel people-pleasing, when you feel - what do you do? What's the truth that combats that? Can we - can we bow our heads?
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Jesus, just thank you so much for - framing truth, for giving us your truth, for being truth. You say that we will know the truth and the truth will set us free, and so we are asking in this season you set us free and there be freedom in this place. You, you died on the cross for us two thousand years ago, you raised from the dead, so we could have forgiveness and freedom. With every head bowed and every eye closed, maybe you need that swapping of a heart right now. Scripture says that if you believe that Jesus died in the cross, and believe that he raised from the dead for you, that your heart can be swapped just like that - turned from a heart of stone to a heart of flesh that begins to sense and feel and understand the ways of God. That he forgives your sins, all of your past mistakes, all of the emotional decisions that you made - he wipes it away, slate clean, departs it from you as far as the east is from the west, forgives and forgotten - done. Huhu [slight laugh] it's almost like Snapchat, just pfff - disappears. He says he no longer holds your sin over you - when you give your life to him, when you submit your ways to him. If there's anybody in this place that you've never done that and today is the day for you to do that I wanna ask you right where you are
to pray this prayer - I'm just gonna invite you into this. Jesus already made the invitation - just let me out some definition behind - right where you are, yountalk to Jesus, you say, dear ajesus, I need you, I am a sinner, I am fallen, my heart is sick, and I need you to heal me. I give you my life. I give you my ways. I give you my all. Jesus, I believe you died on the cross for me, and that you can forgive my sins, and you raised from the dead so I can walk in freedom. from this day forward teach me how to follow after you. In your name I pray. With every head bowed and every eye closed, if you prayed that prayer would you just put your hand right up in the air and look at me - just put your hand in the air and say i prayed that prayer to receive Christ. Amen, Amen. If you prayed that prayer I wanna invite you to get connected by stopping by Connecf - we wunna help you in these next steps - you're goinga feel a lot of emotions, there's gunna be a lot of things that you are trying to navigate we want to be here to help you navigate that with truth. Most important thing you can do is come back every single week and sit under God's truth and get connected with people, and so we have an environment, right out, right out back, ri-right as you leave out back, called Connect - we'd love for you to stop by, we'd love to have conversation with you, and get you connected and plugged in. For the rest of us, we are, we're going to move into a time of singing, and this is a - a moment I want us to just - I want us to respond, and maybe in this moment you've got to begin to tell truth to your emotions, maybe this moment you're feeling something as you walk in here today and you're trying to weigh whether that feeling is right, whether today is a day for you to stand steadfast and immovable and say, this is the truth, I gotta anchor myself in truth, Jesus we just ask right now that you would anchor us in truth. Your name is above all names - you said in your word that - that your name - one day every knee will bow - every tongue will confess that you are Lord - that there is no other name by which we find our salvation - there's no other name by which we find our joy - there's no other name by which we find our provision - there's no other name by which we find our protection. It's a beautiful name. What I pray that that name, you Jesus, truth, your name would set us free. Your name would become our name, our identity would be in you, and we would be set free. Give us your heart. In this moment, Jesus, we give this to you. In your name we pray. Would you stand with us..
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Anonymous Trudy said...
Yeah. Anon @10:10. (Anon hahahah. I know who you are but nice try) Its immaterial whether there are strong linguistic indicators that Davey Blackburn was involved in the murder of his wife because he's never been accused by anyone who matters. pffft. Logic fail.
Lol
And?
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Sorry, I meant anonymous Blue. Lol. It's obvious who you are.
May 7, 2017 at 11:00 PM
Lol
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Anon @ 8:27,
Why bring jono (and jealousy???) into this? Why not continue to mock my 'narrative'?
May 7, 2017 at 11:02 PM
You don't like that you're discovered, jono?
What makes you think I'm jono? Is it that my posts are hitting too close to home with things only someone connected to Davey would know?
Brenda lepchenko is Anonymous Blue. Bobcat is not Jono.
Correction:
Is it that my posts are hitting too close to home with things only someone connected to Davey SHOULD know?
"That he forgives your sins, all of your past mistakes, all of the emotional decisions that you made - he wipes it away, slate clean, departs it from you as far as the east is from the west, forgives and forgotten - done. Huhu [slight laugh] it's almost like Snapchat, just pfff - disappears."
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Why is it that Davey keeps referencing Snapchat in relation to God making sin "disappear"? Snapchat has a reputation as a vehicle for sexting; users think their x-rated content is viewed and disappears forever. Due to the nature of Snapchat, many people use it illicitly. So, why is Davey (who knows his way around technologically) equating that with God's mercy and goodness in his mind? Granted his audience is mostly kids who likely use Snapchat, but Davey has to know what a good many are using it for...after all he knows "there are ways to get around filters (sly laughter)". Perverted.
Just an aside: Snapchat also been sued by the Government because their claims of disappearing content aren't 100% accurate. Information is stored on their servers until it's deleted, as well as system backups. With the right tools and IT knowledge, content is in fact retrievable (bad news for those using Snapchat to sext others or using it for illegal/nefarious/questionable applications). Snapchat sexting pics have also been "shared" with others without consent, resulting in bullying. Snapchat's no stranger to hacking either.
Snapchat sounds retarded. Maybe that's why Davey likes it is because it's retardo.
FFOF. It is strange isn't it? After approving Moses's motive for murdering the Eygptian, Davey says "he (Moses) threw it up on snapchat and buried it in the sand."
I think Crazy Davey is leaking like, well, like crazy. And Davey is afraid because; Surely. This. Thing. Is. Known.
Hey Jude- Thanks for the transcriptions! Davey is very hard to listen to for any length of time.
I'd love to know how he managed to graduate Southern Wesleyan University with a degree in Communications- He's a terrible communicator. He cannot follow a single thought through to it's logical conclusion. He's all over the place between the broken sentences, rabbit trailing, hipster expressions thrown in to "work the crowd", and the stuttering (no offense intended to those who actually do struggle with stuttering). How did this guy pass Public Speaking 101, much less get a degree in Communications? His "style" is incohesive, at best. It's a little like a stand-up comedy act, with bits and pieces of Bible stories thrown in haphazardly,some verses sprinkled on top, and a closing "altar call" for good measure. If he doesn't have a learning disability (no offense intended to those who do), he's a terrible speaker. None of his sermons are focused (main idea, supporting points, restating main idea, concluding wrap-up). His examples are poorly presented, not fully researched, contextually inaccurate, and often do not fit the intended theme. Truth, much less Biblical accuracy, is relative to Davey.
Trudy- I caught your earlier post where Davey basically gave Moses a pass for murdering the Egyptian. You made a very good point!
Moses, especially being in a position of favor and influence as a member of Pharoah's family, certainly had other options besides killing the Egyptian overseer. It's interesting that Davey bypassed that completely, given that his whole sermon was supposed to be about not making rash, emotional decisions. He basically excused Moses murdering a person and at that point in the sermon, pointed out Moses' promotion. It's interesting that Davey said Moses "could have had a bigger platform"...not that Moses could have gone on to doing bigger things for God or led the Israelites longer, but bigger platform (to stand on in order to be visible to/be seen by more people). That's why Davey admires the "Heroes of the Faith" and aspires to be one-not because He loves God or Jesus- He wants the platform, specifically a bigger platform.
This is when Davey 'kissed Amanda goodbye':
And I remember like, getting up, and having all these to-dos swirling around my brain, you know, I gotta go do this, I gotta, drop this thing off, I gotta run this errand, I gotta, take care of this I gotta go meet with this person, right, so I get up, () get my shower, you know, get ready to go. Weston’s up, she’s up with Weston, and she’s kinda taking it slow, Monday morning… And um, I don’t really remember much about our conversation, honestly. I don’t remember much about what was going on. All I remember is I had all these things in my head of all this stuff that I needed to do, all these things, uh, this agenda that I needed to take care of, and so I, you know, () rush into the bathroom while she’s, getting ready and I, kiss her goodbye, and I, walk out of the house, and, uh, () spent the rest of that day, doing things. () Pushing the ball forward. () Building a church. () Meeting with people. () Pouring myself out."
^^^^ Was stated in the "What Happens When You Die" Series, and after seven dropped pronouns, a "shower", a 'left'/walk out of the house, Davey silences himself with a faraway look in his eyes. Monday morning, November 9, 2015.
Amanda languished, "thirsted and hungered" (Amber's words)...
Davey feels bad for Larry Taylor because he knows Larry Taylor did not kill Amanda, but he was framed for her murder.
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/09/942016-what-happens-when-you-die-week-5.html
Snapchat pictures can be saved without the sender receiving notification their picture was saved - so, Davey, what have you been Snapchatting to publicly reassure yourself they can't be saved without notification? He says the sender is informed, but that is not necessarily so. It depends how a picture is saved. Well, just in case he wanted any deleted, and someone didn't actually save them - God has all your Snapchats, Davey.
Come to think of it, he made a big thing of joining Snapchat a while back. Is he still Snapchatting? Was it really his first account, or did he have a reason to make it appear that way? Maybe that really was his first account - still, his going on about Snapchat is interesting. I wonder if Amanda had Snapchat and he worries she sent something he didn't know about to someone - or if someone else in his circle had Snapchat, or Larry Taylor, or - so many possibilities. IDK, maybe he is just trying to be down there, with the kids, with the Snapchat and Emojis and Bitmojis chatter.
If that is so, Bobcat, Amber made up her playpark and dinner at grandma's. I don't know if I am willing to believe that. How can you be so sure?
I think no Amber and it happened during Monday night and early hours Tuesday.
According to Davey, he was annoyed by her "gut" "ha ha ha" on Monday evening.
What would prompt him to drop so many pronouns describing Monday morning, describe Amanda in a posture of surrender, and then she completely disappears except for an annoying laugh - and Ambers lengthy too-detailed accounts of her double-hina-clause trip to the park released along with alibi photos and video.
And at the same time, Amber posts about getting her hair done like Amanda, "dying laughing", loving looking like Amanda, being up all night, getting everything on video, being unshowered, shocks, etc.
Leaking blog after leaking syrupy blog, her need to persuade is off the charts.
Blogger Bobcat said...
What makes you think I'm jono? Is it that my posts are hitting too close to home with things only someone connected to Davey would know?
May 7, 2017 at 11:27 PM
You sound like jono with the resentment.
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Brenda lepchenko is Anonymous Blue. Bobcat is not Jono.
May 7, 2017 at 11:41 PM
And? Have I ever denied that, bobcat/Trudy?
Trudy said...
The fact that Amanda was beaten to a pulp before she was shot in the head is a detail that doesn't get much airplay in Daveys accounts of that morning.
April 25, 2017 at 8:02 PM
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How do you know the beating came first?
Bobcat @ 1.10 - is much of anything he says there from experiential memory? Very little of it is in the past tense.
Maybe Davey was so enraged he went up to Amanda in the bathroom, while she was standing in front of the mirror, put a gun to the back of her head and pulled the trigger/kissed her goodbye?
Maybe, being in excellent health, the bullet in her brain didn't do enough damage right away, and Amanda was affected, but not completely incapacitated...although, without emergency care, eventually swelling would cause enough damage to kill her. It was just a matter of time.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/41046340/ns/health-health_care/t/bullet-head-can-be-overcome-survivors-say/#.WRAh_-XyuUk
Walking and talking after a gunshot to the head? It happens!
http://www.9news.com/news/local/storytellers/blind-murder-suicide-survivor/345723065
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/tucson-shooting-gabrielle-giffords-survive-shot-head/story?id=12593878
...which could explain how Amanda "rose up" "in that moment" and was stronger than she had ever been, according to Amber.
Maybe that was Davey's worst nightmare - that Amanda had moved from where he'd left her??...
Well Brenda, me21, fido, anonymous, blue@10:10.. I simply meant changing your name doesn't hide who you are. Why do you do it? Keep changing names I mean. By changing names you kinda were "denying it", btw. Which name do you prefer to be known by? Blue is a new one. I'm so glad I guessed right, Blue, me21, Brenda, anonymous, but then, your "style" is unmistakeable.
Bobcat, I don't know the beating came first. perhaps I should have said the fact that Amanda was beaten to a pulp as well as being shot in the head is a detail that doesn't get much airplay in Davey's accounts of that morning. Forgive me for being callous, but wouldn't it be redundant to beat someone up after shooting them? IDK. Jodi Arias continued to assault poor Travis after she'd shot him. IJDK.
It would be redundant. Overkill.
Especially if Amanda kept breathing and didn't die fast enough.
Anonymous Trudy said...
Well Brenda, me21, fido, anonymous, blue@10:10.. I simply meant changing your name doesn't hide who you are. Why do you do it? Keep changing names I mean. By changing names you kinda were "denying it", btw. Which name do you prefer to be known by? Blue is a new one. I'm so glad I guessed right, Blue, me21, Brenda, anonymous, but then, your "style" is unmistakeable.
Now, why would you think I'd do it?
Lol
I like to pull your strings, and you "detectives" are so reactive, it's quite easy to do. It's just funny to me to see you hop on it, thinking you've solved something, when there's nothing to solve. It's a bit like the Amanda murder. There's nothing to solve, but you will continue to bleat like sheep, passing your time 24/7, creating nonsensical theories that have no relevancy.
I don't think there is anyway Amanda was shot in the head and lived for 24 hours. Davey had it "set-up" for Tuesday am. The account Bobcat shared of Davey's Monday memories is so typical selfish Davey. He doesn't remember much about his now deceased wife because he was pouring himself out while she took it easy. He was so busy being the pastor of a glorified SS class that he so much to do while she sat at home. That night he was trying to read like the scholar that he is and get a good night sleep so he could work so hard the next day. Simple Amanda just looked at dumb finds on Instagram and annoyed him. He is just awful. He truly thinks he was superior to her and she didn't have the same mission mind as he did. She "just" wanted to be a Mom while he wanted to turn the world upside down with his little flailing church. The thing is Amanda married way down. She deserved so much more. She would have done great things but she fell prey to a narcissistic sociopath. I hope one day a book can be written with warning signs that just because some jerk starts a company and calls himself a pastor doesn't make him a good person. Unfortunately these days some of the most corrupt, evil people run cult churches. It is really sad especially for those that are young and naive, lacking discernment. I hate to say this but if you attend DB's crazy church, you do lack some discernment. He is crazy, inappropriate and is biblically off-base.
'. I'ma let you - I'm a let you drive me and lean in even further and remember that God said don't ever be afraid cause I am with you - that those that are, that are surrounding you are not as great as those that are in you, right? The person in you is much greater.'
That's odd, because Davey knows his Bible verses, so it should be easy and most natural for him to have used the correct pronoun - the verse is 'He who is within you is greater than he who is in the world.'
It's the legion of demons who said 'we are many'.
He does go on to say 'the person' in you is much greater - but - IDK, his theology is so weird. One minute he is claiming to still have his old heart of stone rather than a new heart of flesh, yet also claiming to have (who?) indwelling - it's a lot of contradiction, either he believes he has a new heart of flesh and the Holy Spirit dwells within him, or he doesn't. It's not clear - he often is telling others what God can do for them - I'm not sure how far he really believes what he says for himself. I think he tries so hard to justify himself, and what happened to Amanda, out of scripture, and he relies a lot on God forgiving every sin, as though it is like Snapchat - it just disappears. He seems, to my understanding, to have considered 'conversion' throughout his life as a licence to continue to sin, because God will forgive, rather than seeking to turn away from sin and try better to avoid it, as a consequence of his having turned to Christ. I think the wheels are beginning to fall off with that one. I wonder how much of anything he really believes at this time in his life, or if he is just using what he knows best or most to achieve the lifestyle he wants. I dunno, I think there's more to Davey than just that - he seems so confused about himself and his faith. He's obviously upset that people have been asking him if he does not feel this or that - trying to justify how his #thebestisyettocome #nothing is wasted version of Christianity can put him above experiencing the normal and expected emotional reactions to the devastating murder of his wife, and lack of fear for himself, Weston, his neighbours, in the days and weeks following.
He is fearful now:
'I can let fear just run away with it I can just make these emotion - these emotional decisions out of fear or I can say no-no-no - hey, fear! I know you're trying to paralyse me but instead of you paralysing me I'ma let you drive me to peak performance . I'ma let you - I'm a let you drive me and lean in even further and remember that God said don't ever be afraid cause I am with you - that those that are, that are surrounding you are not as great as those that are in you, right? The person in you is much greater.'
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I think his obsession with Crossfit is his means of avoiding being paralysed by fear.
How much Newspring/Wesleyan 'benevolence money' was siphoned and funneled for adherence to the "story"?
Is that what tithes are for? Murder coverups and payoffs?
I ran across this story of a fallen megachurch "pastor" today and it sounded like such a description
of the heart of Davey Blackburn, the difference being he probably focused more on Amanda's death
rather than his suicide being the answer. Read it and see if you don't agree:
Former megachurch pastor, Tullian Tchividjian, has written an extended post on expastors.com, explaining that he was on the brink of suicide after the revelations of two affairs ended his marriage and his job.
Now, in a deeply personal post, Tchividjian explained how he nearly killed himself—and even wrote a suicide note—after the revelations. He explains how ashamed he was of his actions:
"But as shocking and painful as all these losses were, my instinctive response shocked me even more:
the rage,
the blame-shifting,
the thirst for revenge,
the bitter arrogance,
the self-justified resentment,
the dark self-righteousness,
the control-hungry manipulation,
the deluded rationalization,
the deep selfishness,
the perverted sense of entitlement.
He continued,
How did I arrive at that dark place where I actually wanted to kill myself? … What I see now that I couldn’t see then is that this explosion had been building for a few years.
The shift from locating my identity in the message of the Gospel
to locating my identity in my success as a messenger of the Gospel
was slow and subtle …
My confidence was severely misplaced:
Confidence in status, reputation, power and position,
the way I spoke, the praise I received,
financial security and success."
Re: Hey Jude May 8, 2017 @ 11:49 AM
You said...
Davey: "I can let fear just run away with it I can just make these emotion - these emotional decisions out of fear or I can say no-no-no - hey, fear! I know you're trying to paralyse me but instead of you paralysing me I'ma let you drive me to peak performance. I'ma let you - I'm a let you drive me and lean in even further and remember that God said don't ever be afraid cause I am with you - that those that are, that are surrounding you are not as great as those that are in you, right? The person in you is much greater."
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I think his obsession with Crossfit is his means of avoiding being paralysed by fear.
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Really good point! I think you're onto something here. I noticed the fitness "freak" language, oddly out of place within the context of his sermon, but never considered that. It would be interesting to go back over his previous postings (Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Resonate sermons, his blog, etc.) and see just what context provokes the "gym rat" mentality.
Speaking solely from my own experience, the "fitness freaks" I've known fall into 3 categories: the driven (perfectionists, over achievers, control freaks), the highly stressed (jockeying to achieve or maintain a lucrative high stress position in a highly competitive field to achieve/maintain a lifestyle), or those with a serious medical family history and terrified of dying young.
Not SA, strictly my own opinion- I find it somewhat amusing and bemusing how many Pastors are so into fitness/gyms/weightlifting. Jesus seemed a tad too busy during his short tenure on earth, meeting the needs of the people and teaching them about God, to be searching out CrossFit boxes or congratulating Himself on his physical fitness. He had a sense of urgency. I realize Pastors are human and need some downtime too, but can you picture Jesus posting selfies of His workouts and His muscle mass? I think He kind of had more important things to concern Himself with, like people's eternity. SMH
As Davey likes to have "a platform", that could take awhile. It's interesting that since the world has somehow failed to notice Davey and his story (Amanda's been scrapped) and provide him a platform, Davey has generated his own platform with his blog, the book, and now the Resonate "commercial" just before the sermon. As a Communications grad, Davey is good at networking and marketing, but he's not exceptionally gifted at either. If he were, his speaking schedule would be way too packed to sit at Starbucks crafting sermons, regularly hit a CrossFit Box (much less with the same "team" of people), tanning, clothes shopping, taking new promo pictures, and vacationing. Resonate isn't exactly exploding with growth and yet Weston seems to be perpetually in the care of someone other than his father. Davey's also conspicuously absent in any of the promotional shots or videos of Resonate "Owners" doing physical community outreach work. Nor is he taking care of the house and laundry (Ashley's job). He's got a "team" of people doing the work of the church (load-in and load-out, Youth Pastors, Worship Leaders & team, etc.). So what exactly is Davey doing with all of his time? Well, he makes reading a priority. He has quite a few strategic planning sessions/church growth meetings. He promotes himself as a motivational speaker.
Concerned - it's interesting Tullian wrote that post, especially the self-accusatory type list - it appears vey humble of him, as if he must have been genuinely sorry and ashamed, and recognised his failings - but as it turned out, he wasn't, he is a serial 'offender'. That post is no longer on the expastors website. I wonder if he grabbed the last from some genuinely repentant former pastor.
I found this, in which it claims he was still behaving abysmally even at the time his post was published on expastors. I don't know more than what you posted, the wiki page, and this link, but just from those I wonder if the suicide threat was genuine, or a pity ploy, as there did not look to be any cessation in his activities over any time.
https://natesparks130.com/2016/11/23/master-of-manipulation/
It is strange someone could write that and then just continue on in the ways which caused them to write it.
Fools - I think the obsession with working out is because they think it reflects well on the 'healthy' Christian life - it's so much about image -'Join our church, share our lifestyle, you'll soon look like this too', sort of thing. Davey takes it to extremes - he must be more stressed out than most.
I think he's speed reading through his bookshelves, catching up on all the books he hasn't ever read, in the hope of improving his sermons, but that not much settles, because he is not a great reader - or maybe he keeps reading the same books or same authors - not much of teaching in his sermons. That was a complaint some Resonators had - very little teaching, and then not deep enough.
Next time Davey has a Q&A, someone should ask him if participation in murder or attempted murder makes one great in the kingdom of God? Looking at the example of Moses, David, even Joseph's brothers who intended to kill him before selling him into slavery instead, and were rewarded to form the 12 tribes of Israel. Abraham cast out his son Ishmael and his mother into the desert to die, though they were saved by God. I'd love to hear Davey respond to that question.
https://relevantmagazine.com
This seems the most direct source of Davey's sermon material. He may change the scripture references, but the subject matter and time are very similar.
Compare --
http://archives.relevantmagazine.com/life/christians-you-dont-have-speak-everything -- with the early portion about speaking one's opinion in the sermon HJ transcribed.
^^^ time was meant to be tone.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BT37mbflNW3/
The above is what baffles me. The family continues to let themselves be props in Davey's story. He is starting a Nothing is Wasted podcast. How did he get the rights to the Newspring slogan to make his own? Do they get a portion of the proceeds of all he does. This case is just so strange. If my child was killed and their spouse posted a gun sermon a couple of days after they were shot and murdered, right then the relationship would be over.
Perhaps the family is complicit to protect Amber. And their image.
Consider the nightmare. If one daughter is murdered, and your son-in-law AND your other daughter are looking at prison time, that's the lives of four grandchildren - who normally get shuttled off to Mamaw's (who may also be unavailable) house - that are going to be in your laps.
So, do you help Davey parrot the "story", while keeping him close and watching him like a hawk, or pursue the truth and watch the perfectly cultivated church family image fall into pieces?
There is CYA going on at many levels. It is very, very sad. Poor Amanda.
Bobcat, I just don't see what you are seeing about Amber being involved. Just because she fluffs up her stories a little?
The need for cleansing, skipping over time, minimization, distancing, and too-much-detail a la Casey Anthony?
Yes.
I'm working on more transcription(s) that should be very interesting. I'm not going to say who they are until I have them done because I don't want them to disappear.
There can be alternative explanations for the things you find, though, Bobcat - I don't think the only conclusion is that it all has to point to Amber's involvement.
Bingo said...
https://www.instagram.com/p/BT37mbflNW3/
The above is what baffles me. The family continues to let themselves be props in Davey's story. He is starting a Nothing is Wasted podcast. How did he get the rights to the Newspring slogan to make his own? Do they get a portion of the proceeds of all he does. This case is just so strange. If my child was killed and their spouse posted a gun sermon a couple of days after they were shot and murdered, right then the relationship would be over.
May 9, 2017 at 10:28 AM
This should not baffle you. Does it not occur to you that Davey has tons of supporters, especially among friends and family--those who know him well? You are in the minority.
You're invested in the tales you weave here, but that is not an indication or confirmation of their accuracy or truthfulness.
Bingo said...
https://www.instagram.com/p/BT37mbflNW3/
The above is what baffles me. The family continues to let themselves be props in Davey's story. He is starting a Nothing is Wasted podcast. How did he get the rights to the Newspring slogan to make his own? Do they get a portion of the proceeds of all he does. This case is just so strange. If my child was killed and their spouse posted a gun sermon a couple of days after they were shot and murdered, right then the relationship would be over.
May 9, 2017 at 10:28 AM
This should not baffle you. Does it not occur to you that Davey has tons of supporters, especially among friends and family--those who know him well? You are in the minority.
You're invested in the tales you weave here, but that is not an indication or confirmation of their accuracy or truthfulness.
"You are in the minority."
Have you surveyed everyone with access to national news?
Can't ev n begin count them, then - Davey's supporters are weighed by the ton.
Was it a typo? TENS of supporters?
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Can't ev n begin count them, then - Davey's supporters are weighed by the ton.
May 9, 2017 at 8:44 PM
What's funny is how naively you believe your rhetoric. Think about it. DB has the support of his family and friends (even though nutty bobcat swears they all planned Amanda's murder, clearly she's a nutjob). DB has been cleared by LE and is still not a suspect. It's your delusion that is bizarre and the disconnect that keeps you confused.
"They had some men come into their house to rob the home."
Trying this out a few ways...
They had some friends come into their house to admire the home.
They had some realtors come into their house to assess the home.
They had some neighbors come into their house to see the home.
Is there ANY way to make the first sentence UNintentional?
Crazy Davey supporters are Legion.
"‘Can you trust God?’ And I want to tell you, my answer is a definitively yes."
Sounds like a firm "No" to me.
IBobcat, If I may, by way of examples:
"They had some neighbors get cancer." (Doesn't mean they gave the cancer to the neighbors)
"They had some mice come into their home and eat the Halloween decorations." (doesn't mean they intended the mice to come in)
"They had some children come into their backyard and tear up the flower garden." (They didn't necessarily invite the children)
I think it's just they way some people speak. I remember Patsy Ramsy's 911 call "we have a kidnapping". (I'm not sure how helpful that last one is.)
I also have some resistance to the idea of Ambers involvement in Amanda's murder, but if that is where SA is leading you, so be it. In the very early days, someone here was talking about linguistic indicators from Amber, but was largely ignored. I tend to agree with Hey J, that the sensitivity around her language could have alternative explanations.
'DB has been cleared by LE and is still not a suspect'
Well, you can't count on that situation to continue - just as there once was a time when Amanda was still breathing.
10:55 = Trudy. (Accuracy and truthfulness are important. I don't want to cause any confusion by posting anonymously or under a whole slew of different names) ;)
No, Anon - you are not including the 'to' - the intention is missing in your examples.
^Trudy, rather than Anon, then. ^
Good point. Well made. Thanks Hey J. Hmmm.
They had some children come into their yard to get a ball and they tore up the flower bed?
They had some rats come into their house to make a nest? The intentionality is with the rats, or in ambers comment, the men.
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Walking and talking after a gunshot to the head? It happens!
Oh yes. It's quite common, nutjob bobcat.
Trudy, the statement was not from Amber.
Please, stick to the format of the sample.
Only two words should change:
"men", and "rob"
"They had some men come into their house to rob the home."
I don't think I've head any of Davey's supporters, family or friends, whilst in the course of criticising social media commentary they have read or heard about the case, come out and say they, personally, do not believe that Davey did it, or that they do not believe Davey was involved in the murder of Amanda.
They say he is 100% cleared, often that could be a bit like a suspect claiming 'I am innocent', or 'there is no evidence', rather than saying, 'I did not do it.' Amber avoids acknowledging that there even are people who might not believe Davey. That doesn't have to mean anything - they just might prefer not to compromise their dignity - though Davey, Phil, and Brenda already did, yet without saying they don't believe Davey did it, or is involved.
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Anon, Davey is lonely despite the support - he dislikes that people ask, or might ask him, if he does not feel this or that - he'd rather be alone,or in a crowd, or text, because he can't find the appropriate or expected response. He expected everyone to follow in his swift moving on through the season of Amanda - as it's not natural, there's some foot-dragging - he seems not to understand how strange his behaviour is, to observers.
Bobcat, Why? Isn't the intentionality in the words " they had", and "to"? Eg. They had some rats come into the home to eat the candy in the house.
He really doesnt seem to understand how strange his behaviour is. Several times he has mentioned (in frustration bordering on anger) that people keep asking him how Weston is.
"idea of Ambers involvement in Amanda's murder, but if that is where SA is leading you, so be it. In the very early days, someone here was talking about linguistic indicators from Amber, but was largely ignored. I tend to agree with Hey J, that the sensitivity around her language could have alternative explanations."
I suppose "linguistic indicators" have significance if you suspend reality and believe and trust in the highly unscientific approach that is SA.
Can anyone enlighten as to the scientific model for statement analysis? Or do you just blindly accept it as proof? If so, why do you? Much more persuasive than your "linguistic indicators" and your SA leading to "deception indicated" is the fact that LE cleared DB and has yet to come up with a reason to arrest and charge him. Oh, and this includes another FACT...the Indy department has its own statement analysts. Apparently, LE has not found enough "linguistic indicators" from its analysts to put much energy into Davey. And I am willing to bet they have far more to analyze than public statements that you sleuths are so fond of.
"Home" becomes "house". A change in language reflects a change in reality.
"said...
"idea of Ambers involvement in Amanda's murder, but if that is where SA is leading you, so be it"
Haha
That sounds like some "fortune teller" in a cheap and cheesy nightclub act. "I see a tall, dark stranger in your future."
Good lord, people.
Many people have survived a bullet to the brain - there is even a case of a lady who, after her husband shot her in the head, had made herself a cup of tea, and offered tea to the police when they arrived. She was confused and didn't seem to know what had happened to her.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/5177344/Woman-makes-cup-of-tea-after-being-shot-in-head.html
Here also, examples of people who were shot in the head, and survived:
http://www.grunge.com/32897/people-amazingly-survived-gunshot-head/
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So. Well. It's possible.
I wonder why Mark Redwine hasn't been arrested and charged. Not enough linguistic indicators, probably. Brenda, everyone here has different theories about Amanda's murder. We listen to each other and agree or disagree, with respect for each other, and politeness. disagreeing with someone does not have to make you disagreeable.
Anyone got any questions?
daveyblackburnI'm sitting down with @amandagblackburn's sister, mom and dad this week to interview them for the new Nothing is Wasted Podcast we're looking to release in June. What would you like to know about loss, grief, trial and pain? Post a comment or email me (hello@resonateindy.com) with your questions!
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I wonder why Mark Redwine hasn't been arrested and charged. Not enough linguistic indicators, probably. Brenda, everyone here has different theories about Amanda's murder. We listen to each other and agree or disagree, with respect for each other, and politeness. disagreeing with someone does not have to make you disagreeable.
May 9, 2017 at 11:47 PM"
You're not the ideal messenger for that sermon.
I forgive you, Brenda.
BTW, the difference between Mark Redwine and DB is that LE has named Redwine a person of interest and are openly investigating him. (I am quite familiar with this case, because I live very close to where it occurred....yes, I, Davey, get around....that's for nutjob bobcat's benefit). LE has not only NOT named DB a person of interest, they have cleared him and are not investigating him. It's your delusion that is driving your thought process.
Yes, Trudy, I am making sure that if "They had some men come into their house to rob the home.", then it was definitely a setup and there is a statement confirming it.
Thanks Bobcat.
Brenda, Mark Redwine, as I'm sure you know ; was not named a POI until YEARS after he murdered Dylan. It hasn't even been two years since Amanda was murdered. Your logic is faulty. Try not to let that drive your thought process.
Phil Byars, February 2017:
"See the problem is, I didn’t know what I was gonna do. And I was desperate. And I sat in that room, that hotel- the hotel room, and I just, I, Robin was in the shower. I’m thanking God she was in the shower, because the, the, the- The ugly cry that came out of me, sounded so horrible it shocked myself. And it was like, hell itself was screaming up out of the depths of my soul. And I was saying ‘God, I- I can’t curse you! You gotta help me! I’m not gonna make it. I’m gonna go down and I’m gonna- I’m getting pulled down into this hole and I’m never gonna come out. I don’t know what to do and I know you don’t give us more than we can handle and I know you’ve got this under control and I know you’re gonna help me but you’ve gotta just get me out of this one. ‘Cause I can’t handle it!’
https://vimeo.com/204564669
Robin Byars, February 2017:
"So, I got off the phone with Davey and I went into the bedroom and got Phil and, told him what happened, and he got, um, back on the phone and called Davey and; by this time, Davey knew that Amanda had been shot. Um, three times, um. They had some men come into their house to rob the home, and um, um they got her debit card. Two of the men left to go to the bank to get the cash out, and one stayed behind. And um, he, ended up; there was a struggle in the home, things were knocked over and there was obviously a struggle, and um… So, um… Anyway- We are far away. We- this is- So we get the phone call. Phil comes in and tells us that she has been shot, and we all, just, fell to our knees. And um, I just remember I, every- we were all crying but I, cried out to the Lord first and, I remember, um, feeling a little handicapped, like I don’t quite know how to pray. So, I just remember asking God for his perfect will to be done, because, I assumed, by the shot in the back of the head that, you know, it was, meant to be, to kill her."
Re:
Hey Jude @ 11:25 PM May 9, 2017
You said...Anon, Davey is lonely despite the support - he dislikes that people ask, or might ask him, if he does not feel this or that - he'd rather be alone,or in a crowd, or text, because he can't find the appropriate or expected response. He expected everyone to follow in his swift moving on through the season of Amanda - as it's not natural, there's some foot-dragging - he seems not to understand how strange his behaviour is, to observers.
Trudy @ 11:33PM May 9, 2017
You said...
He really doesnt seem to understand how strange his behaviour is. Several times he has mentioned (in frustration bordering on anger) that people keep asking him how Weston is.
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Both of these are very good points! I think you've both accurately called it. That's why Davey came out loud and early pushing "Amanda's Story/Amanda the Martyr". He, himself, feels neither grief nor loss and pushing the storyline essentially allows him to pass grieving and go straight to fame, fortune, and that mega-church platform promotion...except other people are actually grieving, quite a few are questioning, and some are even openly questioning on social media platforms. Davey is clearly tired of the Amanda Story and has been ready to move on for quite some time, per his language...but people want to remember and talk about Amanda and keep asking him how he's doing or how Weston is doing without his mom and that frustrates Davey. He cannot control people like he's tried to control the narrative from the morning of November 10, 2015. He's spent the better part of the last 18 months reinventing himself, severing his ties to Amanda (she's now relegated to page 2 of the Resonate story, page 2 of the "pastor"Davey Blackburn story, page 3 of the Weston and Daddy story).
He's not so much been pushing the storyline of Amanda as martyr, but pushing people to believe the storyline to short cut the grieving and get right to the "Promised Land". He invested a lot of time and energy promoting the story, networking interviews, and lining up speaking engagements. Now he's "graduated" to positioning himself as a grief Counselor in his own right, as well as launching his career as a motivational speaker and author. He barely acknowledged a need to grieve his wife before vaulting into religiosity (as opposed to a authentic Christian wrestling with his humanity and faith in light of a horrible event).
His whole shtick has been to promote himself (how much "faith" he has, how "together" he has it, what an example of a "godly Man"/"close to God" he is, what a great pastor/leader he is). He placed himself in the same category as Ezekiel- such an important "dangerous" man of God that God killed his wife to get the people's attention- twisted theology. Except that Ezekiel didn't launch and pastor a church of less than 100 people five years in; He was leading a nation. Ezekiel didn't leave the front flap of the tent unlocked and head out late to the local gym; He was there when his wife was killed. Ezekiel's wife wasn't pregnant. Some gang members weren't hanging out two tents over and didn't walk in the front flap and kill Ezekiel's wife for a laptop, a bag of books, and $300 from the ATM. Davey's nothing like Ezekiel.
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2017/05/22017-faith-biblical-counseling.html
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Thanks Bobcat.
Brenda, Mark Redwine, as I'm sure you know ; was not named a POI until YEARS after he murdered Dylan. It hasn't even been two years since Amanda was murdered. Your logic is faulty. Try not to let that drive your thought process.
May 10, 2017 at 12:45 AM
Dylan Redwine went "missing" in 2012. Mark Redwine became the person of interest in 2015, but what you may not know because of your remote logistics is that mark Redwine has always been the POI privately among LE. Davey has not.
Since you know only what is public and "analyze" from that position, you are missing much info in the Redwine case.....similarly, you missing information in the Blackburn case. Your analysis (loosely applied term) is flawed because of that.
Thanks for the transcript, Bobcat.
The first thing that struck me was how Robin openly said that she would not have spoken if she had known Davey was going to be there - six times 'No', she would not have spoken.
6:00 Robin Byars: Um, actually, if I would have known that Steve Ayers and Randy Patten and Davey Blackburn were going to be on the front row tonight, I literally would have bailed on this. I would have said “No! No, no, no, no, no.”
Why didn't she know he would be there? Was he just checking on what his in-laws might say, or trying to keep them in check by his unannounced presence? Didn't think to text them, let them know he would be in the audience. Surprise!
More from Bobcat's transcript:
Phil:
So what happens when your family portrait doesn’t come out the way you always dreamed. I have a picture here, um. This is our. This is Amanda when she was five years old. And a much better looking, skinnier Phil, back then. What do you, uh. What do you think was on my mind, that day? She, sat on my knee and sang ‘Happy Birthday Jesus’. I was very proud of her, by the way. What kind of hopes and dreams do you think I had back then? I mean, I had a vision, of her whole life. As we dedicated her, um at birth, I had a vision, for what I wanted her to be. I had a vision that she would marry someday a guy like this, [pointing to Davey in audience] a strong man of God. Davey, I respect you with my whole heart. Everything in me. I love you. I respect you for the man that you are, and I thank God He gave you to Amanda, and I thank God that He gave you to us. We prayed for a man like you. That together you guys would tear the world up; for Jesus Christ. That you would just, knock it out of the park. That every time you guys, get up in the morning, Satan and all of his eyes like “They’re Awaaake!”
53:06
This is what, this is what my dream was. This is our family together. This is all the son-in-laws and, or son James there. I remember when, you know, Amber and, see we did a double wedding, Amber and, and um, Amanda, married two best friends and, um we did a double wedding. Try taking that on sometime. But um, that was, that was a very special day and we said to James, ‘James, dude. Don’t screw up the family. Don’t get some moody chick that’s gonna come in here and want it her way and tear up this thing that we have. It’s got, it’s going really good, dude. Don’t mess up the family.’ And he married Angela, just a beautiful wonderful girl and just that with it. We’ve got our family. It’s this, this is it. This is what we’ve always been praying for. This is what we dedicated them to be.
53:54
And when I stood there over Amanda’s body and she was passing away and I’m like, ‘God, this is not what I had in mind! This is not what I dreamed for! This is not what I asked for! The day I dedicated her to you, I didn’t mean this! Anything but this! This is supposed to be me! I- I would have gladly given my life for her!’ But,
Isaiah 55:8-9
Says ‘Hey, Phil’, my thoughts are not your thoughts.
Phil says more when he is talking about Bible quotes. He is angry and impatient about how long justice is taking. But, that doesn't make sense considering the "men" have already been arrested... I'll review it later tonight and transcribe that part as well.
I don't know where to put my brain in regard to Phil's professed respect for Davey. Any suggestions? Does he mean it? Is he saying it because Davey turned up unexpectedly to monitor what they were saying?
It sounds sincere to me. 'Cept there may be a caveat in there somewhere - they prayed for a man 'like' Davey - he doesn't say Davey WAS the answer to their prayers. If they sometimes had watched his stage antics, surely they must have known he was not how he had appeared. Or I just want to think that, and Phil truly does respect Davey for the man he is. Or does he say it because Davey turned up unexpectedly to intimidate them, maybe?
It does sound sincere, but why does he need to say it? He maybe felt the need to affirm him in view of online speculation that the Byars must suspect Davey.
I am so sure they must suspect him, yet what Phil says there is a clear contradiction of that. It is, yes?
It's good to have a new transcript to mull over, Bobcat- thanks I'll be. eagerly awaiting some more.
They both admit that they care very much about image.
They both come to a point where they have to sell their main point 'Can you trust God?', and they both fail the pitch with heavily qualified answers.
Robin:
"I guess the question on the table is- for you, is, ‘Can you trust God?’ And I want to tell you, my answer is a definitively yes."
Phil:
Can I trust God in the midst of tragedy? Yes. Absolutely, 100%, you can trust Him. Guaranteed.
Thank you, Bobcat, for the transcript!
And I’m an early riser, so, I was up. I’d had my second cup of coffee, and, um, my phone went off. And, so I went to retrieve it, and it said ‘Davey Blackburn’, who is my son-in-law, Amanda’s husband. And um, I thought, Man, he must, forget, he must have forgotten that we’re in California and there’s like a three hour time difference, and … or he, accidentally, you know, dialed me. So, I, called him back, and I’ll never forget, um, the words that came through that phone. Um, he said, “Mom, I just got home from the gym, and I found Amanda on the floor unconscious, and, an ambulance has come to get her”. He said, um, I, there, she had a ladder, um, in her living room that held blankets on it, and he said the ladder was on the floor. He said “I don’t know if she was up, hanging something or cleaning something, but, maybe the ladder fell on her head, but she’s got a trauma wound to the back of her head”.
8:16
And I, all I could think about was, she was on the floor unconscious, and she was pregnant with her second baby. And um. So, he said “I need you to pray”. So, I said “We will”. Right now. So, I got off the phone with Davey and I went into the bedroom and got Phil and, told him what happened, and he got, um, back on the phone and called Davey and; by this time, Davey knew that Amanda had been shot. Um, three times, um. They had some men come into their house to rob the home, and um, um they got her debit card. Two of the men left to go to the bank to get the cash out, and one stayed behind. And um, he, ended up; there was a struggle in the home, things were knocked over and there was obviously a struggle, and um… So, um… Anyway- We are far away. We- this is- So we get the phone call. Phil comes in and tells us that she has been shot, and we all, just, fell to our knees. And um, I just remember I, every- we were all crying but I, cried out to the Lord first and, I remember, um, feeling a little handicapped, like I don’t quite know how to pray. So, I just remember asking God for his perfect will to be done, because, I assumed, by the shot in the back of the head that, you know, it was, meant to be, to kill her.
Now we know why Jono included the ladder. Because it was part of the story Davey was crafting, that she fell from the ladder and gave herself head trauma. Course, he didn't stick to that story.
The rest is out of order. Tenses are back and forth from past to present throughout. I wonder what details she is editing out? She got the first call, then has Phil calling Davey and finding out about the gunshots, then they "got the call" again and Phil comes back with the news she has been shot.
So much of this section is repeating what she was told, I wonder if the wording of the "they had...to" section is parroting what they were told by LE, as well. I wonder how LE phrased the whole thing.
Also, Robyn's story about the cops sitting outside her house left me wondering why, exactly, LE was there from LE's point of view. Were they merely giving comfort, or had Indianapolis asked them to keep watc, but they didn't want to alarm the family?
bobcat posted this, holding the shower references:
Phil Byars, February 2017:
"See the problem is, I didn’t know what I was gonna do. And I was desperate. And I sat in that room, that hotel- the hotel room, and I just, I, Robin was in the shower. I’m thanking God she was in the shower, because the, the, the- The ugly cry that came out of me, sounded so horrible it shocked myself. And it was like, hell itself was screaming up out of the depths of my soul. And I was saying ‘God, I- I can’t curse you! You gotta help me! I’m not gonna make it. I’m gonna go down and I’m gonna- I’m getting pulled down into this hole and I’m never gonna come out. I don’t know what to do and I know you don’t give us more than we can handle and I know you’ve got this under control and I know you’re gonna help me but you’ve gotta just get me out of this one. ‘Cause I can’t handle it!’
https://vimeo.com/204564669
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In my opinion the shower references signify only that Phil was thankful and relieved that Robin was in the shower so she did not have to hear the 'ugly cry' that came out of him, and was so horrible that it shocked him. That is the primordial grief of a bereaved parent, which is unlike any other sound - what Phil is saying is only what he is saying - he was glad Robin was in the shower so she did not hear it.
^holding = bolding^
It may be common for Robin and Phil to use "had" differently.
Phil: And I had some people say ‘Phil. Just let it out. Just curse God. He’s a big God. He’s not afraid of you.’
Robin: They had some men come into their house to rob the home, and um, um they got her debit card.
I can't read Robin's statement as indicating an intentional setup, as it appears they both use "had" unusually, as if to take credit for things that came their way???
It's like:
I had some people say, 'Phil, just let it out....'
- something which happened to Phil
They had some men come into their house
- something which happened to them
http://statement-analysis.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/water-in-statement-analysis-answered.html
'Statement Analysis is an indicator to explore. We do find that in sexual homicides, for example, references to water often crop up in guilty statements. This in the extreme, can be seen in the statements of Amanda Knox.
If water enters an open statement and it is unnecessary, the investigator should explore for possible sexual abuse. This is the principle.'
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I think Phil saying Robin was in the shower is 'necessary' to explaining his relief that she didn't hear him, even though they both were within the confines of their hotel room. He was shocked by the howl which arose from within him. It is so shocking a sound the person who is making it it may not at first realise it is coming from them, so unlike any sound ever before made - as he said, 'It was like, hell itself was screaming up out of the depths of my soul.' Otherworldly - and his concern would be that someone might have heard it, and then relief because Robin, in the shower, would be unlikely to have heard it over the sound of the water.
Oh - ^ that was a response to the comment since deleted at 9.08 PM^
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Thinking about some comments by other posters in recent days on Davey's stuttering, broken phrasing, broken sentences, abrupt deviations from the topic, etc....
Curiosity prompted me to go back and listen to various parts of some of his sermons since Amanda's death:
1. BLOOD: Completely Shared March 20, 2016
2. FORINDY- Hello From The Other Side July 10, 2016
3. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DIE- Why Do We Die Aug. 7, 2016
4. BRAVE: The Favor Fruit Sept. 18, 2016
5. CHAINS: The Lesson of Direction Nov. 6 2016 (This one did have Davey stuttering a lot, with broken phrasing)
6. A THRILL OF HOPE-The Miracle of Heart Change Dec. 4, 2016
7. SHOULDA WOULDA COULDA- Because You Say So I Will Jan. 7, 2017
Not SA I know, but I think maybe Davey is becoming increasingly self-conscious about what he says and it's causing him to heavily self-censor. Because it requires conscious effort, he loses track of what he was saying and was planning to say next. So, the end result is a mish-mash of very broken, halting, stuttering, awkward, disjointed, hesitant (when he should be confident and certain),fumbling speech. When he's strictly relaying a Bible event and sticking to the source, he's confident, direct, and pretty straightforward. So then, finding what makes him "jittery" of speech seems like it would be the logical thing to do.
I'm in agreement with Hey Jude's yesterday post- I think Davey's recent sermons are all over the place because he doesn't personally believe what he is saying and can't/won't verbally commit to it in his language. His word choices reflect distance- which must be tough for someone whose livelihood and image heavily depend upon being perceived as having a closeness with God.
One more transcript. This is from Phil speaking by himself at Cedarville University in September 2016. He seems a lot calmer than the talk given in February, when Davey was in the audience. I wonder if Davey's presence angered him, as it certainly was not something Robin was expecting.
Anyhoo, it appears that Phil has a traveling routine.
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2017/05/982016-cedarville-universitychapel.html
One thing that really annoys me. The STORY of the letter from the "prisoner".
It reminds me of Al Gore telling stories of some lady in podunk, Iowa who couldn't get an operation because blah blah blah vote for me health insurance blah blah.
Robin does not acknowledge going to bed on 11/9/2015.
9/2016 Phil: () Got up the next morning, and um. () Got the phone call nobody ever wants to get. I got a phone call from my son-in-law Davey. Davey and Amanda, my daughter, they live in Indianapolis. Started a church called Resonate Church. Just rockin’ the world and, sh- sharing Jesus, pointing people to Jesus. And um, we got the call, and it was Davey. He was in a panic, and he. Robin took the call and he. He said, ‘Mom. Uh. You guys need to get. You guys need to get home. I came home from the gym this morning, and uh, I found Amanda, lying face down in a puddle of blood, and um, she’s been shot. We don’t know the circumstances, but, you guys gotta get home.’
2/2017 Robin: We got home, () went to bed that night. And I’m an early riser, so, I was up. I’d had my second cup of coffee, and, um, my phone went off. And, so I went to retrieve it, and it said ‘Davey Blackburn’, who is my son-in-law, Amanda’s husband. And um, I thought, Man, he must, forget. He must have forgotten that we’re in California and there’s like a three hour time difference, and … or he, accidentally, you know, dialed me. So, I, called him back, and I’ll never forget, um, the words that came through that phone. And, um, he said, “Mom, I just got home from the gym, and I found Amanda on the floor unconscious, and, an ambulance has come to get her”. He said, um. I. There. She had a ladder, um, in her living room that held blankets on it, and he said the ladder was on the floor. He said “I don’t know if she was up, hanging something or cleaning something, but, maybe the ladder fell on her head, but she’s got a trauma wound to the back of her head”. And I, all I could think about was, she was on the floor unconscious, and she was pregnant with her second baby. And um. So, he said “I need you to pray”. So, I said “We will”. Right now. So, I got off the phone with Davey and I went into the bedroom and got Phil and, told him what happened, and he got, um, back on the phone and called Davey and; by this time, Davey knew that Amanda had been shot. Um, three times, um. They had some men come into their house to rob the home, and um, um they got her debit card. Two of the men left to go to the bank to get the cash out, and one stayed behind. And um, he, ended up- There was a struggle in the home. Things were knocked over and there was obviously a struggle, and um… So, um… Anyway- We are far away. We- This is- So we get the phone call.
Robin & Phil sound like Diano & Jalen passing the phone back and forth in Jacola's car.
HJ at 8:31,
I think they know the proper usage. They are concealing responsibility. Robin knows who arranged for the robbery, and Phil knows who told him to curse God.
You People need to stop covering up the evil that was done to Amanda.
I'm saying how I think Robin was using 'they had' and how Phil was using 'I had' in the instances quoted. They could have phrased what they said differently, but they didn't - most people use some colloquialisms sometimes.
What they said was many months later, so you have recall mixed with some of what was learned after the fact.
It's quite possible Robin phrased it that way, maybe unconsciously, because she does suspect 'They had some men come into their house to rob the home, and um, um they got her debit card.' - as in she believes there is a 'they' who caused it. I don't know if that's why she phrased it that way. I am sure Robin is not convinced of Davey's innocence, from the way she was during the Resonate Q& A, and here, how she would have 'bailed out' if she had known Davey was going to be there.
I still believe they didn't know Amanda was pregnant from how Robin phrased that - she learned it on the phone from Davey. She would not be thinkin 'Amanda is pregnant with her second baby' if she already knew that - plus the 'and' - missing information. So I think her first thought was only that Amanda was lying on the floor unconscious - then she also learned Amanda was pregnant. I think most people's concerns for an injured unconscious expectant mother would be, 'Oh, no - she's pregnant, she's going to lose the baby' - I think it would be the very first thought..
'And I, all I could think about was, she was on the floor unconscious, and she was pregnant with her second baby.'
I don't know what to think about Phil saying Davey told Robin in 'the call' that Amanda had been shot. Robin said there were two calls, the second when Davey was at the hospital - Jono also says the information Amanda was shot came in a later text from Brenda, when Davey was at the hospital. Perhaps Phil is recounting only the second call to Robin, in which they learned Amanda had been shot, and they needed to return home. The first call, Robin told Phil what Davey said about the ladder - she doesn't say at that time he expressed urgency that they return home, only that they should pray - as in Brenda's texts to Jono. It seems again that the urgency was not relayed until Davey was in the hospital.
Phil also drops a pronoun before getting up on November 10th, and getting a phone call.
Would they both be complicit just to protect Davey?
I don't think so.
I believe they are extremely angry at Davey for involving Amber in a spider web of lies, and they are complicit to protect Amber, and image.
I am curious to why Jono would say Amanda was not unrecognizable with black eye, scraped face, swollen neck, etc while Amber and Robin both say she was beautiful lying in the hospital bed. I am becoming more baffled by this case. However, the only one who seems gleeful about it is Davey. The others truly seem to be grieving. I am just curious Bobcat how you think that Amber was involved? Or do you just mean she helped Davey cover up something? I am still confused.
Bingo,
I do not know the level of her involvement, but her need to persuade by selling Amanda's "beautiful" death is extreme.
Would she weave that many stories just to protect Davey?
I don't think so.
I believe she is protecting herself.
Did they drop the pronouns because they could not care less about themselves (I) getting up that day, it was so minor and irrelevant to how the rest of the day unfolded - their concern was for Amanda, so they skip the nicety of the personal pronoun there in order to get on and tell what happened faster - that Davey called?
I thought Robin got the first call, and the second call was when Phil called Davey back, by which time Davey was at the hospital and had 'received word' that Amanda had been shot. He might drop the pronoun because he didn't receive the first call, Robin did, and maybe the call back was on Robin's phone - if Robin called Davey back and gave the phone to Phil, technically, he didn't call, which if so, may explain dropped pronoun. IDK, will need to read what he said again to see how he he said it - I may still be none the wiser.
Re Amber's writing, and Amber and Robin's recall of Amanda's death:
'Humankind cannot bear very much reality.'
TS Eliot
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It is their reality - Amanda remained beautiful to them, despite her injuries. As the description given by Jono is so horrific, I would not expect a sister and a mother to want to bring that memory to mind, to dwell upon it, or feel able to write about it - I think it would be too painful, especially in view of how they prefer to see everything positively - too contradictory. Jono, on the other hand, is a scientist, which is probably why he found it less difficult to address the reality. I don't think Amber, in 'prettying up' intended to mislead - I think she only says what she can bear to say, also there may be pressure not to say more. It's not as though she is unaware that the detail about what was done to Amanda will be made known during the trial - that she avoids addressing it herself doesn't have to make her complicit, I don't think.
Bobcat @ 11:47
I agree with Bingo as I haven't read anything that makes me suspect
Amber had any part in Amanda's death or a cover-up. If my sister
died in a violent way...or actually, if she died in any way, I would spend
my life letting the world know what a fine Christian and a lovely mother
she was. I imagine I would be quite flowery in my speech!
Writing about Amanda's goodness and receiving the Facebook comments
has to provide comfort as Amber grieves her sister. Yes, it gets on my nerves
that she fawns over Davey. I realize he was her husband's best friend and
therefore, her friend. They shared a wedding which I'm sure increased their
bond. I get why she would not want to suspect him of collusion in the death
of her sister. If she has moments of suspicion, she surely must sweep them
out of her mind for Weston's sake.
I would bet good money that somebody in that family googles Davey's name
daily and keeps up with the case. If they don't read the comments here, they at
least read Peter's analysis. How could they not?!
It's good for them to see that interest continues and that Davey will one day
have some "splainin' to do!
He said “I don’t know if she was up, hanging something or cleaning something, but, maybe the ladder fell on her head, but she’s got a trauma wound to the back of her head”.
She was naked from waist down, shirt pulled up, bruised, bleeding with most likely abnormal breathing, but sure, she may have been cleaning! This is the first time we know of that he mentioned a head wound. I don't remember, do we know if she was on her back or face down? And weren't her underwear folded next to her? Wonder who took the time to fold them. Davey is definitely lying and trying to persuade everyone he didn't know what happened. I wonder what time the first and second calls were. Didn't the police go question him a little later, after checking out the house? The way the parents relate it, it doesn't seem like enough time passed to have been told of the robbery. I don't think Amber is involved at all, unless she is just in denial about Davey. She is only writing about her hopes and faith in her grief, to say otherwise feels very wrong, no matter what SA or scan might hint at. Same for Jono. Her family are all victims to me except her husband.
Not slamming you in any way Bobcat, disagreeing only, just makes me feel ugly to contemplate such a thing when there is nothing in her known history to suspect her of anything to do with hurting, betraying or being involved in anything that happened to her sister in that way. IMO.
Sirensong said....
I don't think Amber is involved at all, unless she is just in denial about Davey. She is only writing about her hopes and faith in her grief, to say otherwise feels very wrong, no matter what SA or scan might hint at. Same for Jono. Her family are all victims to me except her husband.
Not slamming you in any way Bobcat, disagreeing only, just makes me feel ugly to contemplate such a thing when there is nothing in her known history to suspect her of anything to do with hurting, betraying or being involved in anything that happened to her sister in that way. IMO.
That's what happens, though, when SA is left in the hands of someone who has no idea how to apply it.
Bobcat convinced me weeks ago of her SA incompetence when she analyzed me as being Davey. I realized then that if she's that far off about me, everything else she presents here is not only suspect but way off base. In other words, bobcat is as wrong as anyone can get. Her SA is worthless and a waste of time for anyone looking for insight and truth.
I love how it annoys bobcat when I say, "you people."
You don't realize you're being played, do you, BC.
I'm with Hey Jude on Amber and Robin's description of Amanda, obviously traumatically beaten and bruised, on a respirator, as "beautiful". I've observed that women who like/love one another (mothers, sisters, daughters, best friends) are far more likely to lie to each other, rather than hurt each other's feelings. (i.e."What do you think of my new hair color?", "You look beautiful."- when in reality, it washes the wearer out and ages her). Likewise, when confronted with an ugly reality neither can bear, they will often lie to each other in an attempt to comfort themselves and each other. I recently attended a viewing where the deceased died under suspicious circumstances and it was awhile before the body was found. The funeral home did what they could with what they had to work with-the truth was that the deceased looked horrible. Yet, when the mother approached the coffin and (obviously heartbroken) asked tentatively, "They did a good job, didn't they?", person after person assured her how good he looked.
I can also understand Jono's honest assessment-he's a man and a medical professional. Because men process differently than women, they tend to be more factual than intuitive. He was assessing Amanda and saw her through the lens of their relationship, his sense of shock at the Amanda he knew and the reality in front of him, and the disparity between what he was expecting from the conversations with Brenda and Davey and the truth in front of him.
So I think both descriptions, albeit polar opposites, were accurate.
"We got home, () went to bed that night. And I’m an early riser, so, I was up.
I’d had my second cup of coffee, and, um, my phone went off. And, so I went to retrieve it, and it said ‘Davey Blackburn’, who is my son-in-law, Amanda’s husband."
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In the four sentences above, I found seven linguistic indicators that should be "pounced on" by Statement Analysis:
1. () went to bed
Dropped Pronoun
The subject regularly uses correct pronouns except for this instance. When an 'instinctive' pronoun is dropped, the speaker has not committed to the statement and it is unreliable.
2. that night
"That" shows distancing language. Instead of saying "We got home, and went to bed.", the subject does not commit herself to going to bed, and uses extra words to describe "that" night.
The subject is psychologically distancing herself from THAT night in which she did NOT go to bed.
3. And I’m an early riser, so, I was up.
This answers a question that has not been asked. It is of extremely high sensitivity.
4. I’d had my second cup of coffee
The introduction of "coffee" is often an indicator that someone else may have been present at this point in the story and that the conversation that took place between the subject and this person may be important. The subject did not just have coffee; she had been up long enough to have two cups of coffee - enough time for lengthy, and likely important, conversation.
5. and, um, my phone
The subject claims HER phone. Often the addition of "phone" connects a perpetrator to a crime.
6. my phone went off.
When passive language is used on an inanimate object, it is an indication that the subject is attempting to conceal responsibility. She doesn't say "Davey called/texted my phone" She stutters and says "my phone went off".
7. And, so I went to retrieve it
The subject continues using passive voice about 'retrieving' the call. She does not say "I answered the phone" or "I read a message" from Davey Blackburn -- before making an additional call back where the pertinent narrative of the "story" of Davey finding Amanda on 11/10/2015 is finally relayed. The subject uses passive language to conceal identity and remove responsibility from whatever was relayed by the phone 'going off' and 'retrieval'.
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Robin Byars likely did not go to bed on the night of November 9th, 2015. She was up, possibly with at least one other person, involved in lengthy, important, highly sensitive conversations, either in person or by telephone, or both. She is concealing responsibility and tripping up on details of multiple phone calls that were made between Davey Blackburn and her phone.
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The morning of 11/9/2015 is when Davey Blackburn 'kissed her goodbye' and she was bowing in a position of surrender.
The evening of 11/9/2015 is when Amber Byars Blackburn 'didn't even hug her goodbye' because "her arms were full".
I believe Robin Byars is concealing information about conversations that took place overnight on 11/9/2015.
The morning of 11/10/2015 is when Davey Blackburn returned home from the gym "to discover" Amanda.
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This is my opinion based on public statements regarding events surrounding the murder of Amanda Blackburn.
"just makes me feel ugly to contemplate such a thing when there is nothing in her known history to suspect her of anything to do with hurting, betraying or being involved in anything that happened to her sister in that way"
Ah, the Woody Allen defense again.
I know it is hard, but try to be blind to the golden-dipped (Phil's words) perfect beautiful blonde family and just.read.the.words.
^^^
I wonder what is in her UNKNOWN history.
4:30-6:10 AM Indiana Eastern = 1:30-3:10 AM California Pacific
We may now know who Davey spent some time in "the word" with in the early hours of 11/10/2015.
Worthless SA from you, bobcat.
People are losing respect for you here. Does that mean we all "object too much"?
You are a nutjob.
BTW, I've read some of your previous posts where you have dropped pronouns. Hack.
Boobycat:
This is my opinion based on public statements regarding events surrounding the murder of Amanda Blackburn
.....and therein lies your problem, booby, and why your SA is flawed--the public statement thing does not work for you.
Peter Hyatt May 11, 2017 at 12:23 PM
KC, I have stopped including leakage in analysis unless it is really obvious. In a report, it will be there, but here on the blog, it leads to some serious error.
Hmmmm. Boobcat, you need to reassess your frequent "leakage" analyses. Apparently, you're screwing up. Another example of your SA incompetence.
Bobcat are you trained?
I do not mean that as insult Bobcat and am not the insulter. I just have doubts about how you go about things with the words. I am not trained so I do not know either. At my age I do not know if training is useful I do see the lying of D Blackburn but some of the things you post seem like there is no reason like in the McCann case with Hall and Hyatt. He also always has a reason for his position which feels trustworthy and not just saying something means something else type. Please do not be offended. Do you have training and if so can you share and the cost and if you do it at home (or someone else can answer) I do not have much income.
SA 101:
() am not the insulter.
To all,
please do not insult, troll or provoke. The comments are deleted and with consistency, will be put in the SPAM folder which eventually will block your ability to comment.
to answer several anonymous posters:
There are training opportunities that are available and less complicated than what we offer. StatementAnalysis.com has a course that is much less costly that may help. I do understand financial restraint and I understand the desire to know if someone has training when they post definitive or authoritatively so.
As to this anonymous posting:
Anonymous said...
SA 101:
() am not the insulter.
May 12, 2017 at 11:13 AM
end of anonymous post.
There is no deception in the above anonymous post. This sentence is reliable, which is Statement Analysis 101.
As to the use of "SA 101": your post suggests your own need for training, but with the desire to insult, the training opportunities here would not be of benefit to you.
Peter
My daughter and I both ordered a course manual I found recommended on one of Peter's older posts. It's $10 on Amazon. It was supposed to arrive today, but it got delayed and now we have to wait until Monday. Disappointing!
The book is Statement Analysis: An ISS Course Workbook by Steven Barbell
^^^
Steven Varnell
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