Peter Hyatt on "Crime Wire": The Murder of Amanda Blackburn
February 23, 2017, Peter Hyatt will be a guest on "Crime Wire" live broadcast, and will be taking your calls and questions at 9am to 1030AM EST.
Amanda Blackburn was a victim of a sexual homicide in which arrests have been made.
Questions, however, remain in one of the most bizarre 'solved' murder cases of recent years.
Peter Hyatt will share analysis of the case, including deception detection techniques, and what this may mean for justice.
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The Pregnancy: Amanda had expressed to Amber that she'd had quite a time with morning sickness. I wonder how it is that Davey could not have noticed/known about the prganancy, given how much emphasis they both placed on physical fitness (marathon running, working out, eating healthy, etc.). Granted, he's pretty self-absorbed though. If he didn't know and she had to "break the news to him", what does that say about the Davey, their relationship, the state of their marriage, their finances, Resonate? Tenuous on all three counts? Davey told Resonate and the world, via the Love Song Q & A series and Worship As A Weapon that pregnancy and children were a huge trigger (negative) for him. Amanda would not have been excited to share the baby news with him, particularly when he was ramping up the Resonate is taking INDY by storm hype. The amount of time, energy, emotion, marketing, and money Davey was dedicating attempting to save his sinking business was causing conflict in their marriage (the journal entrie Davey attempts to spin as Amanda surrendering her plan to God are actually detailing her coming to terms with them not being mega-church material destined for greatness, but plain, common vessels). Amanda had to have known Davey wasn't going to receive the pregnancy news well and he didn't, letting it slip when emotionally detailing his personal "Worries" and triggers.
The Tree: Perhaps Amanda had put the tree up, but struggling with morning sickness, had not yet decorated it. I think, just like the unborn (potentially unwanted per Davey's list of triggers) baby was not important to Davey (coming as an afterthought tacked on after the initial press conferences because Davey forgot to mention the baby that he'd just announced in Church 2 days prior and Amber knew about), the tree was not important either (whether because it was Amanda's thing-like the baby or because it was undecorated/incomplete/imperfect/not show worthy). Perhaps the tree was decorated post-murder and post house cleaning by Ashley, Meg,or some of Amanda's other friends from Resonate as a favor to Davey and Weston by those who assumed he'd return to the house. That would explain the decorations still packed away. Amanda by all accounts, loved Christmas decorating, so it was likely she'd accumulated quite a stash of decorations. Like many, she probably chose different ones each year after the "sentimentals" were on the tree. We have such a stash and many stay packed during and after the decorating process so that doesn't seem suspicious to me.
A few more thoughts...
Amber's Account of ICU: Having been in a number of ICU's over the years, I totally agree with an above poster, there's no way ICU would have allowed a hundred people or even a steady stream of poeple in Amanda's room over 2 days. ICU rooms are cramped with tons of equipment and nursing staff in and out monitoring/administering meds/providing care, that's why visitors are kept to a bare minimum. Every ICU I've been in allows only 2 visitors at a time, 10-15 minutes each, within strictly enforced visiting hours. Immediate family members and any pastor trade off in the ICU waiting room. Perhaps Amber was referencing the crowd in the waiting room.
Amber's description of Amanda's injuries vs. Jono's: I think Amber's been raised in a culture that always presents things in the best light. I think she "glosses" over Amanda's actual appearance as a self-protective mechanism, rather than an attempt to control the narrative. It's always painful to me, when people repeatedly deny what is so readily obvious with their loved one, in terms of their mental health. Jono's description is the expected for the situation and belies Davey's "miscarriage" narrative. Just as the Fire Department first responders knew, the ER staff, as well as the ICU staff had to have known Davey's account was incredible (i.e. not believable). I'd venture to say that the interviewing officer at the hospital knew as well, but no prosecutable evidence = no conviction. I find it quite ironic that Davey works so hard to convince people how intelligent he is (showing stacks of books he's reading, his "personal library" being the first thing he unpacked in the new house, repeatedly Instagramming himself "studying", etc.), yet he not only allows but encourages others to view him as a bumbling idiot at finding Amanda. Sensitivity surrounds his college baseball mistakes even still, as he disparages better team members in the recounting. His NTP that he was clueless is strikingly obvious and runs counter to his character with his normally well cultivated, high maintenance self-image.
You're so sensible, Fools, and Mom2Many - great posts and reasoning, thanks. I'll stop stressing over that Christmas tree now. :)
I know it's sad about Amanda lying brutalized in her hospital bed, but I thought it was equally touching how Jono described lying on the brutally uncomfortable hospital loveseat, with no satin sheets, just the unyielding pain of the wooden divider of the loveseat as he soaked up a few precious moments of shut-eye.
Jono even had to use his coat as a pillow. Can you imagine the suffering?
Amanda may have had a bullet wound to the head, but Jono's head was resting on a jacket with an uncomfortable zipper interrupting his beauty sleep.
Davey stole the only recliner to take his peaceful nap.
The ICU allowed a chorus of song by hundreds of people led by Jono. No concern about the patients in neuro-critical care contracting germs from these angelic singers.
Fools, no Jono's narrative is not the expected. Why?
Jono was unusually cold when he got in the shower which suggests he was not warm in bed but rather outside.
Jono's description betrays the fact that his wife did not "leave" his side and go to her "usual spot" in front of the full length mirror. There is missing information here. And often following the word "left" is when a crime occurred. Did people here forget that lesson that has been drilled into the students here?
Jono focuses throughout the narrative on his own suffering, complaining of a few minutes of lost sleep, even whining about how Davey stole the recliner so he had to sleep on the uncomfortable loveseat while Amanda lay brutalized in her hospital bed. Jono also speaks of God taking people out of life "for his own pleasure".
Summary: Jono was not in his bed that morning. Jono was cold, he had been outside. When the wife 'left" his side, that is when a crime occurred. Who knows? Maybe jono was standing guard and chucked that other gun that was found in the backyard???
Jono's emotional reaction, in response learning of Amanda's pregnancy in light of her collapsing and being unconscious, is both odd and important. His description- "I didn’t know how long it was before I drew another breath, but when I finally did it was like I had been underwater and finally resurfaced for air. We had no idea."- is odd and unexpected, given Jono's very traumatic near drowning experience as a child (per Dad Dave Blackburn's blog post detailing the event). I would not expect Jono to "go there" (much less about Amanda being pregnant). Why would he, as Amanda's brother-in-law, mentally equate those two very different events?
The only time I have remembered or described a shower as being "warm" (as Jono does) is when I have been outside in extremely cold whether for an extended period of time and then come inside and take a shower, then the shower is a 'warm' shower, otherwise I describe and remember a shower as being 'a shower" NOT a 'warm' shower.
Jono was outside in the cold before he took the shower.
His wife did not "leave" his side and go to her "usual spot"...she went somewhere else and there is missing information.
It is odd too, and I am not sure what to make of him writing about how 'his thoughts were interrupted when his wife turned OFF her hair dryer'. There is something there. Was it really a hair dryer she was using and turned off or was it something else like a vacuum cleaner? Could those 2 have been at Davey's house and helped with some kind of clean up?
Why in his thought process is he so aware of the locations of the decorative ladder etc as the texts are coming in unless he had recently been in Davey's house.
Interesting fools, great questions. Give me one second to respond.
But Jono was in Alabama on the morning of the murder, right?
I find it interesting how vividly Jono recalls that morning when writing his post one year later- when Davey says he has some very vivid memories but shares nothing about Amanda from that morning except that "she was about to get up anyways" (his excuse for not locking the front door).
From Amber's Facebook post -
I squeezed her hand to make sure she knew I was there, and I held onto that hand in complete and total desperation for the next two days. Davey and I, along with hundreds of others, sat by her bed and cheered her on with each breath of the ventilator. We wept and laughed and sobbed and giggled about memories of Amanda that flooded our mind.
and later -
And oh the joy on her face on November 11 at 7:55 am when she was able to walk into the arms of Jesus, holding her precious little Evie Grace in her arms. This was the MOST AMAZING day of her life
It was not two days that Amanda was on life support so this is an exaggeration. Amber was not talking about the waiting room being full of people - she painted the picture of HUNDREDS of people sitting around Amanda's bed singing and laughing and cheering and sobbing and giggling. Davey also says they were singing songs and choosing worship over worry.
I guess if it helps Amber sleep at night to think that this was the most AMAZING day of Amanda's life. . . whatever. I cannot imagine describing the day someone died as the most amazing day of his/her life - especially when their life ended in such a brutal fashion.
Fools, when he 'finds out' Amanda is pregnant (and keep in mind, that he is also finding out that there is also a baby who will lose his or her life when Amanda dies) it takes the breath out of him and leaves him unable to breath like his earlier experience in life when he almost drowned. This sounds like SHOCK, like he is in shock hearing the news. The response is incredibly emotional and personalized beyond what you would expect. He also says "we had no idea" (she is pregnant) which suggests deception.
Why would someone react like that? I'm not sure. Some possibilities: If he participated in any way with the crime and suddenly found out that the victim was also pregnant, it might be shocking and distressing news. Why is her pregnancy itself so sensitive? Why, within this Catholic community, is this pregnancy, news that she "has to break" to Davey? News that Davey's brother is speaking about in a sensitive way that suggests deception about him "having no idea".
It sounds like that is why she was killed was bc of the pregnancy. And Jono did know about it. Maybe there was something wrong with the fetus. Maybe Davey (if he is gay) was not the father (I know people don't want to hear that but it could be possible).
Jono does not mention Amber, and makes only a cursory acknowledgement of Amanda's parents - that would be understandable if he suspected Davey was responsible; imagine the shame of thinking your brother either did or caused that to their defenceless pregnant daughter - he may not have wanted to think or write about that, or them, too much. Jono probably did not know where to put himself. Imagine upon whom the Byars' questioning sights would have rested once they had taken in Amanda's condition - I bet it was not upon Davey's elderly aunts, or upon whoever else had been brought in to hide Davey in a crowd of genuinely concerned family and friends.
'More family and close friends came in and out. Amanda’s parents arrived, having had to catch a last minute flight from California where they were on vacation. Each time someone else showed up, the tears and prayers started back up.'
'Showed up' - is that a bit disparaging? Here it would be - i.e., 'They finally made the effort to show up.' - or, 'Look who showed up...'
Maybe he was upset by so many people showing up, especially if they were not close to Amanda. I don't know how common it is to have neighbours visiting a dying or brain dead person.
flightful, I have thought from the beginning that Amanda was attacked the day before the morning she was found--therfore, it is possible Jono could have been at the scene of the crime the day before. Maybe he was cold that morning after a long drive home back to Alabama. Who knows? Maybe his car doesn't have heat or he was cold from bringing stuff inside from the car... if it's real cold out, especially at night, it only takes about 10-15 min outside to get chilled to the bone and to then perceive a shower as being "warm".
Peter would want us to pay extra attention to him describing the shower as "warm", and I can tell you write now that the only time I have described a shower as "warm" is when i have been outside in very cold weather at night and then come in and take a shower.
He seems focused on his own sleep loss throughout the piece, which also suggests he didn't get much sleep during the night and then the texts started coming in.
Read Jono's two blog posts. Compare the writing style of each.
I wouldn't read too much into Jono's Amanda blog other than quotes, times, and his description of Amanda.
It is possible he threw in SA red flags for amusement.
Hey Jude, it does sound like he 'suspects' DAvey, I agree. He mentions how DAvey falls right asleep on the recliner but follows it up by saying "I'm sure it was a fitful sleep" because he realizes how bad that looks that Davey peacefully feel asleep at 3 am while his wife and unborn baby are literally clinging to life with a decision about whether to withdraw from life support to be made in the morning. WHO could fall asleep at 3 am at such a time??? Unless they are a psychopath.
Anon, yeah I'm sure he threw them in for amusement.
Why is Jono's first reaction to learning Amanda is braindead and getting pulled off life support to THANK the doctors and nurses?
Jono is hiding info in the begginning of his blog post.
Wow! What a powerful piece Joni wrote. I Thank you for posting the link. I am comforted in some weird way to hear a real story of grief for Amanda. It pains my heart to read it, but it seems the only truth I've heard from anyone connected to her. It seems he and his wife must now wonder how CD was able to act the way he did after her death, knowing how devastated they were. Well, CD does have his way of bullshitting everyone. They even believe the baby was Evie Grace when CD admitted they didn't know the baby's sex. I don't know what else to say. So very sad.
Noone in this crew thinks it's odd that Jono describes taking a shower, even describing the temperature of the water as 'warm' for "the first few minutes" as importnat when Peter has pointed out to us MANY times that one does not normally need to say that they took a shower in the morning? Yet Jono does need to tell us.
Also, could hair dryer turned off be similar to lights being turned off?
Jono said
I knew the horrible illnesses that could accompany a pregnancy gone wrong
, and now my mind was racing. At length, though I don’t know how long, my panic-stricken thoughts were interrupted by Tessa turning off her hair dryer. But I still didn’t know how to respond to this new revelation.
Jono reveals that the pregnancy had "gone wrong". There was something wrong with the baby. Do you people not see that?
At this point in his thought process a "hair dryer" "turns off". This is similar to lights being "turned off". This can refer to sexual interaction not occurring or something "going wrong".
Just then, “Praying” came the text from Tessa. Why didn’t I think of that?
I needed to start getting ready for work. I got up and raced to the bathroom, adrenaline now pumping. Standing in the warm shower for the first few minutes, I cried out to God
I hate to point out the obvious, but his shower description suggests (------------).
, appealing to his merciful omnipotence to intervene and protect my sister-in-law and my brother’s second child, still not knowing at all what happened, or how severe the injury.
After getting out of the sh
"Each time someone else showed up, the tears and prayers started back up."
Showed up, or came to visit Amanda?
It sounds like people visiting were an annoyance, like 'the cops showed up' so we had to start the 'crying-and-praying show' again.
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Agree, ignore the showering and doors. Those are for entertainment and purposes of distraction, but how kind of JP to specify CST for us. I think JP laid down the facts, and then added at length as many SA diversions as he could think of. The apple doesn't fall far.
I think Davey "getting some air" was actually being questioned by detectives.
RE: Thanking the ICU Nurses and Doctors- I didn't find that so weird, odd, or suspicious. I've thanked them in an ICU, Hospice, ER setting. While my loss is bad enough, they have to deliver the worst news to grieving loved ones daily (oftentimes multiple times a day). Professional training aside, they're still human beings. Maybe it's because I know nurses who cry on the way home from work on those rough days or because I've seen doctors break unexpected bad news gently, even tenderly. It can't be an easy job. I've been very thankful for the care they gave to people I loved and valued.
What are the "horrible illnesses that can accompany a pregnancy gone wrong?
How does a pregnancy "go wrong"? What are the illnesses that accompany it when it does "go wrong"?
This guy has serious guilty knowledge at the very least.
I have never even heard the expression a "pregnancy gone wrong".
An "abortion" can go wrong. I have heard the expression an "abortion gone wrong".
Amanda did not have an abortion. Maybe what he is revealing is that this was the "abortion" they forced on her through a violent attack and ultimately murder.
No, Bobcat, I disagree, there is some kind of sexual activity occurring in the intro to Jono's blog post...this may indicate merely that Jono was actually NOT upset nor surprised or shocked by the texts coming in and was enjoying his morning by doing some kind of sexual activity with his wife and/or himself.
He even says "after getting out of the shower". He tells us about getting in the shower, what it was like in the shower, and getting out of the shower. We are supposed to pay attention to this as students of statement analysis.
This man was not upset by these texts. HIs wife was also supposedly blow-drying her hair. Not letting it air dry even thought they had received this disastrous news.
Jono may also have been washing guilt off of himself in the shower and that may be why he raced to the shower.
This may be why he remembers the temperature of the water, because he was acutely aware of "washing" off the guilt with the water!
Remember Amanda Knox talks about cleaning her ears in the shower when she was washing off guilt?
Read Jono's public facebook posts. He does not write like the blog.
I wondered why they didn't do a craniectomy to relieve the swelling. It sounds like they would have if she had been stable enough for the surgery. :-(
Bobcat, I will check out his posts. Obviously you are suggesting a 3rd party wrote Jono's blog posts. You could be right, but that seems so convoluted, and it also negates doing any kind of SA on the posts if he didn't even write them.
I would say that the tactile detail lends itself to someone experiencing Jono's experiences for example, whoever wrote it did in fact sleep on the uncomfortable loveseat.
I checked out Jono's FB. So, is that his writing on there in the quotes? If so, no he doesn't really write like that on his blog. HIs writing on FB seems more intelligent, yet pedantic, and very religious. Also surprising he has 800 plus friends but only got like 20 likes on his profile pic and he is a good-looking guy. He looks like a kind person. I dunno. It seems bizarre how they all supposedly write like each other...Davey, Amber, Jono. It was very bizarre how Jono described the "solemn chorus" that took place at Amanda's bed. His writing suddenly became so inspired and descriptive and fanciful at that point. You are correct--his writing is very dry on his facebook page and seems to come from a pedantic mind. Not so in his blog post, much more simple writing, although I can see it coming through in the "solemn chorus" part. I do believe he wrote the blog though. It's a different kind of writing than facebook posts so that is probably why it sounds different/
I think you are being at least ridiculous Anon, here and in the other comments you made on the front page article. Why are you even looking at those things, tearing Jono apart, and immediately making him a suspect? That is so troll and unnecessarily intrusive on someone who has not even been a part of the story - it's only in the past few weeks Brenda included him in her Twitter 'proud mother of daveyblackburn' introduction - now she's included that she's proud to be mother to Jono, too. Tension much in the family? Jono not toeing the line? The relevant parts are Brenda's texts, which relay Davey's story to her that morning, and his description of Amanda.
Jono introduced Amanda correctly as his brother, Davey's wife. thereafter Amanda is variously 'my sister in law', 'my sister', 'like a sister' and 'our Amanda Grace' to him, which speaks to fondness and a good relationship.
Jono thanked the ICU staff because that was the right response - thank you for looking after her, thank you for letting us stay, thank you for your kindness - it's what families do. They are thankful because the staff have helped them come to terms with the closing of their loved one's life.
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Jono is, I think, a scientist, and his interests are political, he also is an evangelical Christian - things which are reflected in his writing for the most part - Amanda's death was out of his usual scope and style of writing, it is personal, and he does not seem comfortable writing in that style. He gave a full account of his day, including quite some few unnecessary (to the reader) details, and of all the time from the moment he woke till Amanda was declared brain dead the following morning - nobody does that. Well, not if they have read here and don't want Peter or someone else to test the science of SA - which of all people, a scientist likely would. So, I agree, in giving his version, it's quite possible he is testing SA as he goes. You know that challenge Peter writes that he makes, and which few people take up - to write an account of a full day from the moment of waking, which will reveal some embarrassing personal detail. He could be thinking of that by ordering his account as he does - or it could be coincidence and he's methodical in the account, like scientists are. Whatever his writing is for, I think his main intention is to put out that Amanda was also badly beaten before she was shot, and what Brenda had texted.
I have not read his FB to date - I have seen his twitter, this blog post, and there was also a piece someone posted here a while back, forgot which thread and when, which either was, or could be read, as a criticism of Davey - maybe it was more specifically of Davey's type of ministry.
The string of ridiculous Anon posts about Jono's blog post in the front page article's comments have been deleted, in case anyone wonders what I was going on about.
Read Jono's two blog posts. Compare the writing style of each.
I wouldn't read too much into Jono's Amanda blog other than quotes, times, and his description of Amanda.
It is possible he threw in SA red flags for amusement.
April 25, 2017 at 12:33 AM
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Are you joking?????? Believe it or not, many people have lives that do not include this blog and your inane comments. I doubt "SA red flags for amusement" were first and foremost on his mind.
Perspective, people. Perspective.
A bunch of vultures hovering over Joni now.
Just unbelievable.
*jono
Bobcat, maybe they knew it was pointless to operate - they wouldn't necessarily want to say that, but were giving the family time to come to terms with the inevitable.
Sirensong,
That was my feeling about Jono's post, too. Finally, someone who cared enough about Amanda to put her in the center of her own story, and attest to what she suffered, instead of recreating what happened for some agenda. I hope Jono will testify for Amanda. He seems the only one capable of acknowledging her suffering.
Mom,
Amber acknowledged Amanda's suffering - she compared it to childbirth and running a marathon.
Davey also wrote about how women suffer through childbirth, and then choose to do it again.
The suffering that Amber and Davey described was elective, beautiful, martyr-like, and had an AMAZING outcome.
Jono's wasn't sugarcoated, as much - although he waited a year to write anything.
Hey Jude, Whatever, dude. Yeah you deleted them bc you love hearing yourself talk under your many characters and you're prob just pissed I spotted stuff you didnt. Jono's narrative is not normal, complaining a year later about his discomfort sleeping on the love seat right after he describes Amanda brutalized and on the verge of death in her hospital bed.
The shower thing also is significant, and you not seeing that makes me wonder how much you actually know about SA
If you think it is normal to a year later speak of "racing to the shower" "showering with warm water" "crying out to God on shower" and then state "After I got out of the shower" then you don't really understand SA. There is no reason he should be mentioning the shower nevermind a yr later unless there is something deeper behind it.
The shower was very important to him. A year later he speaks of it in great detail. He also seems to imply he changed the water after a few min from warm to cold (or perhaps HOT). I would guess if someone is trying to wash themselves thoroughly they might change the water temperature (to hot?) to try to get extra clean.
Whatever Jono's issues are (and surely there are many, being raised under the same roof as Davey) - his wife Tessa is alive and well. I don't care about his showering or double doors.
I am glad he wrote his blog to help fill in some of the timeline.
Bobcat,
It doesn't matter what YOU personally pick and choose to care about because you don't get to decide what is and isn't important in statement analysis.
The fact that the shower features so prominently after hearing the news and is described in such detail, in fact becomes central in some ways (Jono describes racing to the shower, being in the shower and what that was like even describing the water temperature and then verbalizes "after I got out of the shower) is impossible to ignore. In fact, there is actually "missing time" in the shower where Jono says he was "standing in the warm water for the first few minutes.
"Standing" is both unnecessary information (everyone stands while in the shower) and shows tension. Then there is missing time where Jono does not fill in what changed/what happened after the "first few minutes" of "standing in the warm water". How often do we see "missing time" in an actual shower? Jono either changed his posture in the shower (did he sit down?), changed the water temperature (to cold or hot), or actually got out of the shower and does not say where he went.
I hate to mention this, but I can imagine if an individual is trying to wash any kind of evidence off of them, even merely being PRESENT at a crime scene, they might become acutely aware of the temperature of water in the shower ie. is it hot enough to wash off the "evidence" (even if the evidence he feared could be a couple pine needles sticking to him). The missing time in the shower: I would imagine if someone is attempting to wash off evidence of being present at a crime scene in a shower, even something like possible pine needles or dog hair, the individual might in fact become concerned while showering about the clothes they had worn and decide to exit the shower and throw their clothes in the washing machine. It is interesting to note that, at least at my house, when one washes clothes in the washing machine whether in hot or cold water while the shower is running, the shower water turns cold. I don't know why that is, but even when the clothes are being washed in cold water, the shower water turns cold.
There is also a lot of emphasis on his wife's grooming in the beginning of his post, which seems odd to me. Perhaps he was acutely aware of his own grooming at that time and wanted to get in front of the full length mirror to make sure he had no scratches, etc. even if he had been merely present at the scene and committed no violence.
Back to Amber.
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2017/04/152016-public-facebook-statement.html
I'd need magical powers to have been able to delete your posts, Anon, so there's another fail for you. It is intrusive to make comments about the shower and doors - you don't need to say everything you think. What Jono said, and what Brenda's text said, about Amanda and Davey are the pertinent parts, IMO.
Jono probably had some conflict about outing Davey, and the family division that might cause, how it would upset their mother, etc' and finally decided he couldn't not give his account. He wanted to write that Davey said 'Don't be startled' and that Amanda had 'taken a beating'.
'She was Beaten up?, Jono asked.
I think that is interesting - Davey makes it something which primarily Amanda had done - she took a beating. Jonathan, who knows his brother well, immediately turns that round and makes it something which was done to Amanda - she was beaten up.
It is also interesting Davey says, 'Don't be startled' - why, in Davey's mind, should Jono not be startled and shocked by Amanda's appearance? It would be the expected reaction, and to say, 'Who did this? Who would do this?' etc. I think Davey does not want the reaction from Jono which he anticipates, so he heads it off. He could have said, 'You will be shocked' but rather instructs him to not be startled. Startled is a lesser reaction - Davey doesn't want even to suggest that his brother might be shocked rather than merely startled. Jono writes he was angry at the sight of Amanda, but he contains it, turns his focus to God, at least while they are at the hospital. A whole year passed but eventually he has to say what was texted to him, and what he saw, to set the record straight. He does not accuse Davey; he shares his own account of what was said to him by text, and the condition Amanda was in - he fills in some gaps, adds to the existing accounts.
Random thoughts...
I wonder how common 'beatings' were in the Blackburn home.
Davey says Amanda "took quite a beating"
Jono questions "A beating" and "How bad?"
These brothers can quantify beatings.
'A' beating
'Quite' 'a' beating
a beating can be described 'simply' as "Bad".
I wonder what a 'good' beating looks like.
I wonder what a 'terrible' beating looks like.
I wonder what an 'average' beating looks like.
I wonder how many beating Davey and Jono 'took' in the past.
My dad laid into me a few times more than I would like to remember.
http://livingtherealworld.blogspot.com/2006/04/
Anonymous Foolsfeedonfolly said...
Re: The Christmas Tree and a few other thoughts. Not SA, just my thoughts
The Pregnancy: Amanda had expressed to Amber that she'd had quite a time with morning sickness. I wonder how it is that Davey could not have noticed/known about the prganancy, given how much emphasis they both placed on physical fitness (marathon running, working out, eating healthy, etc.). Granted, he's pretty self-absorbed though. If he didn't know and she had to "break the news to him", what does that say about the Davey, their relationship, the state of their marriage, their finances, Resonate? Tenuous on all three counts?
lol
Well, since the entire discussion for all these months has been geared toward revealing Davey's guilt....the consensus here being that DB murdered Amanda......wouldn't it be obvious and redundant by those of you who have relentlessly "analyzed" DB's guilt to say they had a bad marriage? I'd say if someone murders his wife, the marriage wasn't the best.
Good grief. You people.
The shower is very important and so is his detailed description of getting to work (so much unnecessary info there). Any of you geniuses pick up on the fact Jono claims wife woke him up to tell him his mother had texted him, but then Jono reveals he had to UNLOCK his cell phone to see if his mother texted him? How did the wife know Jono's Mom had texted him if Jono's screen was locked and not displaying the text which is bull anyway bc phones display texts even when the phone is locked. Why did Jono include the unnecessary detail that he "unlocked" his phone? Likely answer: Fabrication of the event.
Anon - How about Brenda asked her daughter in law if Jono had received her text. Contacted her son first, when she received no response, she texted her daughter in law
You know - that's what mothers tend to do, contact their son or daughter first if it is a call they should receive first - only then to son in law or daughter in law if there is no response, and it is urgent.
Group messaging.
They were group texting. Note how Jono reads Tessa's texts back to his mom.
Jude, look at the section where he talks about & actually DO SA on it.
Can I ask you a question? Have you ever told another person "Blank just texted me". Yes or no? Have you ever told someone "I unlocked my phone and saw BLANK had just texted me".
How about a year later have you said "I unlocked my phone and saw blank had texted me.
This is extraneous info about the phone and thus is extremely important.
We have in the beginning of post:
Shower
Warm/(Cold or hot) Water in shower
On/Off (Electrical)
Locked/Unlocked
No reason for a married man to have his phone locked down like that unless he was/is cheating. On my iphone I have it set so texts are displayed even when the phone is locked which my phone locks after like 60 seconds of no use. If I was cheating Id lock my phone down so no texts visible like Jono had his. Jono was hiding something & you people are very naive not to understand that is what people do when they are cheating. A married man with nothing to hide does NOT set his phone like that.
M2M, Sirensong and others, I, too, felt something like relief that someone (Jono) has acknowledged feeling rage at Amanda's murderer. Finally.
The fact that Amanda was beaten to a pulp before she was shot in the head is a detail that doesn't get much airplay in Daveys accounts of that morning. It's the first time I've heard that 3/4 of Amanda's front teeth were knocked out. I still think that Davey orchestrated the beating and murder rather than committing it himself but it brings to mind his propensity for saying things like "teeth kicked in" etc. I'll have to find the exact quotes. Hes referred to it more than once, notably in the worship is a weapon sermon.
Jones rage at the person who attacked and killed Amanda and her baby highlights Daveys smirking smarminess in describing his "conundrum" and the inappropriateness of going straight to forgiveness for the unforgiveable.
(I recommend not feeding the anonymous trolls.) 🍴 Peter wasn't kidding when he said this thread sometimes lacks sobriety.
Why does Jono, upon learning that Amanda is pregnant, does he refer to the baby as "his sister-in-law's and brother's 2nd baby" when the reader would understand without Jono telling us, that obviously Davey is the father since he is Amanda's husband.
Hair dryer turns OFF.
After that, he RACES to the shower (although he is planning on going to work). He STANDS in the warm water for the first few minutes.
(Possible cleansing of sexual guilt. Hmmm...did Jono cheat?
"pregnancy gone wrong"
"Disease in the body of the mother or body of the baby"
Are these normal thoughts?^^^^^^^^
Davey is gay. What makes anyone here think he was the father of the 2nd baby? This is a guy who likes muscular men with hard chests, huge biceps and he-man thighs. You think he was getting turned on by the female form? Could anyone blame her if Jono (a cuter, hetero version of Davey) was actually the father?
I wouldnt blame her. Jono is cute, nice eyes, prob a sensitive lover. Davey is gay, repellant w a rapist mentality. He wants to rest his head on a firm bicep next to a hairy armpit. Davey is not gettin it on with a woman. He wants a jacked up man.
What if Jono were the troll, and he threw in pages of unnecessary detail into his blog on purpose? That would not surprise me at all.
He doesn't normally write like that, and there are only three posts on the blog.
It's been sitting there waiting all this time for the attention it deserves.
The JP troll is going to be BUSY.
"Are these normal thoughts?^^^^^^^^"
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No. No one commenting here is "normal" in their reactions in this blog.
What does Peter say about showers in SA? Anyone know? Let's just stick w what Peter has instructed. Why is everyone ignoring the RULES ABOUT MENTIONING SHOWERS IN SA?
No, I mean is it normal to even think about a "disease in the body the baby" (13-week old fetus) causing collapse and unconsciousness in the mother?!
Jono is a scientist?
What is he leaking?
"Pregnancy gone wrong"
"Diseases in body of mother or body of the baby"
Was Amanda poisoned before the attack?
"sickening feeling"
"Terrible illness caused by disease in body of mother"
"wanted to vomit all over train"
RACED to shower
WARM water
"picture of physical health"
"Knew it had to be something serious"
"Drop in blood pressure"? (Jono wonders)
Was cyanide involved? Doesnt that cause drop in blood pressure?
Oh, Danny, Stop it! We don't want another barefoot Contessa running around!
Remember Davey saying Amanda was laughing hysterically at stupid videos like he'd never heard her laugh before?
I googled symptoms of cyanide poisoning. One symptom is giddiness and drunken behavior. Another symptom is "collapse".
"Collapse" is a term that we have heard as nauseum to describe Amanda by Davey & company.
You have a very suspicious mind, Anon. My phone is always locked, so is my iPad. - I leave my phone lying round a lot. Grandbabies and other people's grandbabies like to play with phones and are wizard at deleting apps and posting photos of the carpet to snapchat. I hardly use my phone but it's MY phone, and I say who can use it. Mr Jude, my sons and daughter in law all could unlock my phone, the code is not secret, I don't want grandbabies deleting my apps and messing up my phone. Also, maybe he has the same phone as his wife, or his colleagues, and they all leave them lying round - it's embarrassing to pick up someone else's phone and discover it is not yours - if it's locked at least you or they know the mistake before it can cause much embarrassment.
Correct spelling: ad nauseam.
Lol Hey Jude! That is hilarious like Im going to believe what you say about why you keep your phone and ipad locked down and that's it's not to keep things from "Mr Jude" but rather to keep your grand babies from taking pictures of the carpet lmao. Again, my phone locks automatically after 60 sec and this prevents anyone from using the camera etc but texts are displayed on the screen even when locked. If your phone is locked down so texts cant be displayed you are hiding something from someone sweetie. Nice try at bullshit though! Anyone who has their phone locked down like that is cheating. Period.
I'm single, and my phone locks down. No text contents are shown on my locked down phone.
I'm THE anon around here; not you.
I do think maybe Jono was making the unnecessarily detailed account of that day from waking till approx twenty four hours later in order to take up Peter's challenge, even if he didn't really expect for Peter, or anyone, to read his blog or notice that - leaving it on some obscure blog site with only three posts. It's very likely some of the Blackburns, and the Byars have read here at different times, and read about the 'account of the day' challenge as causing people to lose any scepticism they might have had in regard to SA (properly practiced). I wouldn't call it trolling if he was doing that, Bobcat, unless he deliberately overdid the shower scene - more an angry curiousity - anger because what Peter's analyses showed about Davey would have rung true, yet might seem to reflect also upon him, and his parents. The shower thing is so OTT, I would wonder if he had to know what he was suggesting there, or if he is somehow trying to parody Davey in the shower. Why he chose to write his account as he did is interesting for,possibilities, and as an aside, but mostly I agree the texts and hospital scene are what he is about. People can react so strangely when they are upset, challenged and conflicted - I should think there is pressure there to toe the line, back Davey's story, accept he is cleared, case closed - pressure for him not to have a backbone, yet he does. Well, it's interesting, because people don't generally write their whole day out, much less in that much detail, even less likely to do so when concern for someone else had been the entire focus of that day. Yet there's twenty four hours, more or less, quite detailed with things irrelevant, yet also containing so much that has not been said before.
Well, I think he didn't do anything in the shower, he is so OTT, he is making a little wind-up, or taking the rise out of Davey's shower scene - he probably didn't do anything embarrassing that day, even though it turned out to be a day off - he was all focussed on getting to the hospital, and Amanda. So - that would be a safe day to write about, in terms of not wanting there to be anything embarrassing to be found - well, possibly.
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Mom2Many - I also add my thanks to you for posting Jono's blog.
You're so wrong, Anon. :)
Anon 9:30, yeah I bet I know why you're single. Locked down phone and cheating can cause that. Thanks for proving my point.
So Hey Jude, in your own long-winded way, you are agreeing with what I said about the shower.
You actually think he is parodying Davey's shower scene though?
It's amazing with the intelligence here that you people don't actually analyze anything even though you know it needs analysis. You guys just ramble on and on about what you think.
How about the smartest among you analyze the shower passage using the tools Peter has given us? Does anyone here have the mental stability to do that? I doubt it, but hopefully one of you can hold it together long enough to analyze JUST the shower passage.
I don't think Hey Jude can analyze just talk and talk. She is very gabby but can she analyze?
I didn't think so. Hey Jude you get an "F" for analysis.
I don't care about Jono in the shower, Anon - I care about what was in the text messages, and about what Jono wrote about Amanda and Davey in the hospital. He's not a suspect, so while he chose to write about his personal hygiene, I don't think it's necessary or obligatory to draw attention to that.
HJ,
I can't take credit for discovering Jono's blog. I just commented in the wrong place. I think it was CJ who linked to it. Thank you, CJ!
Right. He's not a suspect, but Amber is. As I said, you Hey Jude as well as all the others don't follow Peter's instructions on statement analysis, and you pick and choose what you want to get out of individual pieces of writing.
You are choosing on a whim to only care about the texts and hospital visit in Jono's writing. Who gave you that permission? To rewrite the very rules put down by Avinom Sapir? Does Avinom Sapir look at pieces of writing and REFUSE to analyze it? Does Avinom Sapir say "I only care about this part of the writing, not about the personal hygiene/shower"?
Hey Jude, you need to ask yourself why you are violating the very integrity of statement analysis itself with your "whims" of what you "care about".
Please read this article as a refresher on principles. http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2013/03/water-in-statement-analysis-answered.html
Note: the stated principle applies to open statements. Neither Amber not Jono have given an open statement.
Note: Elaine Redwine's sensitive statement, as an innocent parent explained by Peter.
I don't suspect Amber either, Anon. I am not trained in statement analyst, if I were I would follow the rules. I expect that would include some ethics - such as not making public everything which might be revealed in a statement, just because I could.
Thanks for links, Mom2Many.
mom2many, I read the link you supplied.
First of all, I am very good at comprehension and I have followed the blog for a few years and I already know the info stated in the link.
I understand not every reference to water is suspect. However, the unexpected references ARE to be looked at carefully. Jono's shower reference and the detail he supplies, not to mention a YEAR later, is unexpected! The detail he supplies is UNEXPECTED!
Also, Jono's blog post is an OPEN statement!!! It is a statement he is freely constructing, not in response to a specific question or accusation, etc. Ambers statements are also "open" statements.
Elaine's statement is not suspicious to me as it would be to an amateur, as the statement "I wish I did" is not implicating towards her, and it is not seen in guilty language that a perpetrator will say "I wish I did". I understand exactly what Elaine meant and statement analysis has nothing to grab onto within her language in that passage to implicate her.
I know exactly what I am talking about when i point out specific sensitive statements due to having learned statement analysis. The shower statements are sensitive according to the rules of statement analysis. PERIOD.
Anon 11:50, Thank you for being so good at statement analysis. You explain things so well!
Hey J, I thought the Jono's shower reference might have been a gentle dig at Davey's God-spoke-to-me-in-the-shower-and-told-me-Amanda-had-to-die bollocks, too; especially given the fb post he made about the idiocy of thinking the voices in your head are God's voice.
Can you imagine if Jono said God spoke to him in the shower too, (while he was beseeching/petitioning God with sincere prayer) and told him Amanda had to die so that Gods bride could come to life?
Davey should have been sent for an intensive psychiatric evaluation after the "dry bones" speech.
I'd like to apologise to Peter. (Sorry Peter) for saying that people commenting on this blog are not more concerned about derailing their own narrative than the truth. I was wrong.
From cd's instagram.
(Name removed) Did you have a joint wedding?!
daveyblackburn@ (name removed) we did! With Amanda's sister, Amber. It was so special
Gavin's missing again.
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I don't care about Jono in the shower, Anon - I care about what was in the text messages, and about what Jono wrote about Amanda and Davey in the hospital. He's not a suspect, so while he chose to write about his personal hygiene, I don't think it's necessary or obligatory to draw attention to that.
April 25, 2017 at 11:16 PM
......neither is Davey.
Well, that depends who you ask, Anon.
Blogger Hey Jude said...
Well, that depends who you ask, Anon.
April 26, 2017 at 6:13 AM
Perfect example.
No evidence. LE cleared Davey. They have not yet charged or arrested him. He is not a suspect. Because a few neurotics on this blog construct fiction and then discuss it as if it were truth, does not equate to his being a suspect. If that were the case, so is amber, Meg, ME (as Davey, of course), and now, jono.
As I've pointed out, you people are freaks.
I suspect Davey of lying, manipulating the known facts, using his best friend to create a reason why he did not go into his house until the neighbour arrived home to discover her house had been burglarised, making up a story about God telling him in the shower that Amanda had to die, planning his Worship as a Weapon sermon to coincide with Amanda's murder, advertising it a month in advance, posting it online within a few days of Amanda's murder, despite there could not be a more insensitive thing to do, and of knowing that Amanda had been beaten up, sexually assaulted, shot three times, once in the head, when he called 911 and his parents to explain that she had collapsed while he was at the gym, and that he thought something must have gone wrong with the pregnancy and that they were just going to lose the baby. There are many reasons to suspect Davey, and he has created them. In that sense he is a suspect; there are many people who suspect Davey.
Not so of Amber, or of Jono.
I agree they have not yet charged or arrested Davey, but that might come later - it's surprising he was 'cleared' without even a polygraph, for Davey's lies are numerous - also statistically, in such murders, the husband is the most likely person to be responsible.
Mom2Many - is it that an open statement is off the cuff, free-edited, so Amber's and Jono's are not 'open' as they are written, pre-prepared, and no doubt edited? Obviously their statements are freely given, and they chose to write them as they did, yet not quite open or free-edited because they lack complete spontaneity? If that is so, they can still be analysed and yield useful information - I remember that bit.
Well, I say that what Jono wrote about what was in the texts, and how things were with Amanda at the hospital is truthful - that is the information I find useful - I don't see a need to focus on the rest.
Is your link going to the same page it did when you posted it, MOm2Many - last evening I got that article, but it was one in a long list of other interesting articles, too - I only had time to read a couple, now it is linking to only that one - or maybe it only did, and I clicked somewhere else to bring up the list. Frustrating, there was so many I wanted to read.
Yes, I only linked a single article.
I think a distinction needs to be made between an off-the-cuff statement and a prepared writing. For example, the intention is to tell a story. So wouldn't story-telling elements be expected?
The article I linked made the point that not all water in statements, even that which is unnecessary, is linked to sexual abuse. The context must be examined. What is the context in Jono's statement?
Jono is illustrating how he received the news of Amanda's murder and how the story developed over the course of the morning. He does so through the series of his mother's text, interspersed with his thoughts and activities. He is creating pacing and tension. Skipping over the time period by saying, "I got ready for the day," would not achieve the dramatic tension he felt on that day or the length between messages. Before he got in the shower, he was chiding himself for getting swept away in speculation. Perhaps he was washing away the guilt of where his speculations had led him. There seems to be an enormous sensitivity every time Amanda's pregnancy is mentioned, whether Davey, Amber, and now Jono.
The shower statement in Amber's account is not about Amber in the shower. She is reporting what Davey told her and it is typical for a laboring mother to be in the shower. It is a common pain-relief measure. Many women are drawn to the water in labor.
Amanda had showered (because her water broke) and was currently vacuuming.
Even if Davey had relayed this information to Amber exactly as written, it is an unnecessary reference to water, in an open statement, two days after her sister was sexually assaulted, brutally beaten, surrendered (yet rose up), shot and executed.
Yes, Jono is story telling, i noticed that moreso at the beginning, in the sense of constructing his narrative -including 'artificial' placement of emotions - not that he didn't have them at the time, just that he more likely would not have included them like that if he had written it at the time, which I know is not the case. It is a long narrative - somewhat overwhelming to me.
Let's back up a little.
https://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/search?q=shower
"When the reference to water, in any form, such as showering is made and it is unnecessary, the investigator must always explore the subject's need, or connection in some form, to sex and sexual abuse.
We find it in sexual abuse victims' language, as well as perpetrators language. We find it even in the language of teachers, investigators, social workers, nurses, and others who have interaction with sex abuse victims.
Two things to consider:
I. The Lack of Necessity to Reference Water
II. The Context which produces Water in Statements"
Amber is a trained nurse.
Amber's statement:
"July 28, 2014 : I was sleeping at my grandparent's house when I got the phone call. Amanda's water broke! It was 2:45 am, and Davey had informed me that Amanda had showered and was currently vacuuming the house just to make sure everything was perfect for when she brought the baby home."
The context - a memorial statement posted two days after her sister's brutal death.
Necessity to reference water? None. It is a lot of extra detail thrown in. Amber backs up in time to draw parallels between two times she rushed to the hospital to sit with Amanda and Davey. She was sleeping and a phone call came, yet she adds not only one, but TWO references to Amanda and water.
Her statement is disturbing, imo.
It is not the context of the whole statement that we are to assess about the inclusion of water, but the direct context of the water reference within the statement. The direct context is labor and birth. A water reference is not unexpected in that context.
I think the direct context is a parallel between labor and birth, and death.
Amber goes into great detail (including unnecessary references to water) describing Amanda's labor and delivery, but embellishes her 'looking beautiful' and 'the joy on her face' as she dies.
I think we may need to agree to disagree on this one.
Look back at Peter's article. The man that stopped to use the restroom and included washing of his hands, it's inclusion is unnecessary because washing one's hands is assumed to be part of the process of using the bathroom. Peter highlights the immediate context, the period of time directly before the episode, not the entire context of the statement.
Peter has earned us about sobriety, and I find the repeated accusations against Amber far-fetched and seeking for elements to justify guilt, rather than approaching the statement from the view of innocence. Water is not unexpected in a birth narrative.
Amber is, at worst, seeking to overwrite her memory of Amanda's death, with happier memories of her alive. She wants to dwell on the 9th, and forget the 10th. That seems to be a reasonable desire for a family member, even if it is fantasy, or wishful thinking.
^^^ "earned" = "warned"
Jono's and Amber's accounts are open statements. Everyone instinctively includes some form of pacing and dramatic tension when they tell or write down what happened. When police ask a suspect "write down what you did that day" to attain and open statement, the suspect will instinctively include pacing and dramatic tension--that is how human beings recount things...even if it is only something like "I realized we were out of bread and milk and knew I needed to get some right away or my wife would be mad, so I went to the store."
I don't find Amber's inclusion of Amanda showering to be unusual, because commonly when pregnant women recount what they did before they went to the hospital when in labor, they will include something like "I brushed my hair and put on some make-up" or some such thing, or I have even heard some women mention they made their husband shave to look more presentable when they arrived at the hospital. These things are mentioned bc the person is marvelling that they were concerned with such things at a time when the baby is soon coming and they were having contractions--they were actually experiencing the contractions.
Jono's mention of showering and the unusual detail he includes before he is merely "going to work" (that is where he headed in his story, not towards Amanda's hospital room) is unexpected. I find his inclusion of water temperature in shower to be very unexpected.
I also think it is odd that he states that "his thoughts were interrupted by his wife turning OFF her hair dryer"...my opinion about this is that whatever he was mulling over in his thoughts is something he wanted to keep private (not share with his wife) and when she had the hair dryer ON making noise that prevented them from talking to each other, this was a good thing in Jono's mind. Once the hair dryer, turns off it interrupts his thoughts, as the thoughts were private and he does not want to share them once there is quiet and the wife will talk to him.
One other thing that jumped out at me is his statement that he "caught his father's eye" at the hospital. He then mentions the "barrier of his (own) eyelids". A lot of times when someone is hiding something, they do not want people looking them in the eye, and I feel there is leakage of this linguistically during that section of the writing. What is he hiding?
And when he says "we had no idea" about Amanda's pregnancy that is extremely sensitive both in his use of "we" (spreading out the guilt) and his use of "had no idea". Why wouldn't he just say "I didn't know" or "We didn't know". There is further sensitivity in the fact he attempts to explain why he "had no idea" ie 'they were probably waiting till Thanksgiving to tell us",
Jono knew she was pregnant.
mom2many,
Is it expected that someone would attain surveillance video documenting themself and another person entering a building separately the day before the other individual entering the building is found dying after a gun attack? And that that individual would then post the surveillance video online. Is it expected that the individual would employ deception about how they attained the surveillance video claiming it was "offered" to them bc one of the workers saw just how much she loved Amanda when she was rubbing her stomach at the playground and knew they must be "the best of friends" so hey, do you some surveillance video of you two entering the building?
Amber IS storytelling, and it is not far-fetched to recognize that.
Is it expected?
Is everything a "story" in those circles?
No wonder they are always crying.
It doesn't matter Bobcat!!! That's like saying that OJ Simpson cant' be called out on "If I did it" because he was simply writing a story. You're wrong. This stuff can be analyzed.
I feel you all have blinders on because of how sugary sweet these people present their stories and they all are good-looking with peaches and cream complexions, so nothing they do is suspect.
What if it was an unattractive person with a criminal background living in a ghetto who "attained the surveillance video" of themself and a homicide victim entering a building the day before the victim was attacked? Would this then raise an eyebrow? You people even won't analyze open statements because the statements are written under the pretense of showcasing how faithful and God-loving these people are.
anon @ 1:07,
Amber's account doesn't specify that she and Amanda were "entering" the building.
Peter told you fake SA practitioners to get training. Of course, you don't want to do that. You aren't here to properly apply SA. Bobcat is "too busy," but she/he will (and has) continue to faux analyze, making a mockery of SA, because she doesn't think she could possibly need training. If bobcat would spend even 1/10 of the time in training as she does living on this blog, she might learn something.
Imagine. Arrogant enough to tell Peter she has no time for his training.
July 28, 2014 : I was sleeping at my grandparent's house when I got the phone call. Amanda's water broke! It was 2:45 am, and Davey had informed me that Amanda had showered and was currently vacuuming the house just to make sure everything was perfect for when she brought the baby home."
Oh wait, there's more.
There is yet another reference to cleansing. Vacuuming.
See Misty Croslin.
I googled Misty Croslin and found this analysis of her 911 call reporting Haleigh Cummings missing - - warning - revisiting of Davey's 911 call in this post by comparison - please scroll and roll if you would rather not read it.
http://johncavern.blogspot.com/2016/01/haleigh-cummings-misty-croslin-911-call.html
(analysis in italics from the link)
Misty Croslin: “Hi…umm…I just woke up…and our backdoor was wide open and I think…and I can’t find our daughter”
Note the call begins with a greeting. Most guilty callers in homicides begin with a greeting where innocent callers have an urgency that bypasses politeness.
Note the order in which she speaks. Order is important to note. Whether it is the chronological order in which you name your children, your siblings, or even the names of friends, order has reason. It an "excited utterance", order speaks directly of the importance.
Here, Misty tells the 911 operator 3 things:
1. That she was asleep. This is THE single most important element for the caller: that the police know she was asleep and has now just woke up.
2. That "our backdoor was wide open".
Notice that the 2nd most important thing for the police to know is about the backdoor being wide open. Misty says "our" backdoor; not "the" backdoor. Pronoun gives us ownership. "the backdoor" would be a common phrase used by any caller since the caller is from the residence. For Misty, the most important fact for the police to know is that she was sleeping; secondly, that the backdoor was open; not just the backdoor, but "our" backdoor, plural.
3. Thirdly, and lastly, she reports a missing child.
It is commonsense to suppose that if your child was missing, it would be the very first thing out of your mouth. It is a reflex by not only a parent, but a step parent, a relative, a caretaker, a babysitter. In Misty Croslin's mind, it is low on the list of priority.
We deem this 911 call to be deceptive; even from the onset.
Misty saying "I just woke up" makes me wonder again of the first words Davey spoke when he called 911 as soon as he could. . .
Hi, uh, I just came in from the gym and found my wife, um, she's unconscious. . . (or whatever description he used for Amanda which was nothing even close to the way his brother used to describe her appearance). He might've included his name and that he was lead pastor of R-Resonate Church here in Indy as well - but I would bet he mentioned that he was at the gym in the first thirty seconds of the call.
Just as Misty wanted police/911 to know she was asleep - Davey has prioritized and emphasized over and over and over and over and over that HE WAS AT THE GYM and came home and walked in and found Amanda. We know ! Everyone knows. Everyone knows you were seen on camera entering the gym at a certain time - which would seem to make it impossible that you could've been in your house at the time Natasha Jones Tank heard two gunshots and what sounded like a woman scream.
The continued repetition of where Davey had been that morning smacks more of alibi building than just of a narcissistic gym rat who wants everyone to know he trains in the gym. Remember he even posted another Resonate Facebook statement to include that he returned home from the gym, when the first statement was mostly the same words but had not included that he was at the gym.
And IF he said he "just returned from the gym" early in the 911 call - like the first thing Misty said was that she "just woke up" when calling about missing Haleigh - that's a flag.
You people are missing the obvious.
Why are Davey and Co collectively using the terms "collapse", "pregnancy gone wrong", "disease in body of mother or body of baby" to describe someone who has been attacked and with gunshot wounds to head.
These word choices are coming from somewhere.
Why did Amanda have a change in behavior the night before the attack? Laughing hysterically at stupid videos like Davey had never heard her laugh? Does this not sound like someone who is unusually giddy with drunken type behavior? What if she was poisoned? Note also Davey describes the night before that that he "looked for Amanda in the bathroom"...why? Did he expect her to be sick? Perhaps vomitting in toilet. Instead he finds her bent over behind the bed...he says "Are you OK?" Does this posture of being bent over on the floor behind the bed not sound like someone who feels sick to their stomach. This sounds like someone experiencing severe stomach cramping.
Jono's post contains many references to nausea, being sick to stomch
--"sickening feeling"
--"wanted to vomit all over bus"
Why the changes in behavior in Amanda? Bent over behind bed? And then unusually giddy?
Anon - bad news, shocks, trauma cause those reactions.
Aren't those words coming from Davey, who wanted to deflect from knowledge of beating and shooting to something gone wrong with the pregnancy? If Davey was saying he thought something had gone 'horrifically wrong' with the pregnancy, Jono's mind would turn to what those possibilities could be, and why he said that. He may have been sick with apprehension if he feared things were worse than described, or suspected that his brother might have caused Amanda to be hospitalised.
If Amanda was poisoned that would most likely have been discovered at the hospital - or shown up in autopsy or toxicology tests, if they did those. Maybe they would not do those, as cause of death was a gunshot wound. The baby had a heartbeat - I don't know if that would be the case if Amanda had also been poisoned - wouldn't the baby have been the first victim of that? Poison is more typically a woman's weapon, violence more typically that of a man. Amanda was beaten, sexually assaulted, and shot multiple times. I don't know why even I am engaging with this - it's troll-feeding.
I think 'waters broke' is just the expected description of what happened - Davey called Amber because Amanda's water broke. Amber probably had told Amanda to call her when her waters broke because that's a usual time to call birthing partners. What else would he say - 'Amanda just feels like she wants to go to the hospital now, but I can't say why'? No, he would say 'Amber's water broke', because that is the signal it's time to get ready to go to the hospital. Same with the shower - she has made herself ready to go, but now she is vacuuming - she wants it all perfect before she leaves. Nesting instinct to have it all ready for the baby, and the inevitable visitors. It's an expected conversation, so far as I can see. Davey is saying the baby is on the way, Amanda is ready to go to the hospital, but she's not in a rush to get there - she's actually vacuuming. That would stick in Amber's mind because it's quite funny, it also illustrates how Amanda took things in her stride - Davey was possibly impatient to get to the hospital. There was no rush, though - So Amber and Mawmaw were able to have breakfast before they, or Amber, went to the hospital.
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Okay, he could have said the baby is on his way, and Amanda is ready to go to the hospital she's just straightening the house a bit...but that would be like self-editing to avoid rather than to say what actually was happening - so, I think they are not 'unnecessary' references, they were necessary to letting Amber know what was happening.
Bobcat - Also, don't we have to keep in mind that we don't know what the conversation was - Amber might have asked, have the waters broke, and Davey just said yes. She might have asked what Amanda was doing now, had she showered yet? He may have answered yes, she has taken her shower and now she is vacuuming. So even if you insist that Davey made unnecessary references to water, which I don't think they were, you don't know that he didn't actually make those references in response to questions fabiut them from Amber.
*about*
We read her words. If she didn't say it, we don't say it for her.
Davey "had informed me" is very passive. It's also hearsay. Read the words Amber chose.
Hey Jude, Then why the change in behavior reported? Extremem unusual giddiness and bent over behind bed in what sounds to have been a posture of stomach cramps. That sounds like potential poisoning to me. You think it is a woman's weapon? Have you ever heard of the hitman who killed with all different methods but settled on poisoning towards the latter part of his career? Poisoning was not detected in any that he killed. In a few of the poisoning a the people didnt die fast enough so he used some other method to finish them off. He was a mob hitman--he sprinkled poison on people's food, injected it into one guy while the guy was dancing in a disco, I think other times he just touched the poison to the persons skin. It never showed in the autopsies as poisoning--I think he poisoned dozens of people. All of them he was hired by mob to do hits on the people. As far as the baby still having a heartbeat, I doubt it. I don't even think they can detect heartbeat at 13 weeks.
Im not trolling. Im listening to the leakage coming out of Davey and Jono. By the way, doesnt Jono work in a lab?
Actually dont both Jono and his wife work in a lab? Yep. Isnt it a chemistry lab?
Davey could have informed Amber in more detail as the result of Amber asking him questions. That's what women do, ask questions. Have her waters broken? Is she okay, what's she doing? When are you going to the hospital? Etc. So, yes Davey informed her, phoned her, had a conversation, which probably included answering Amber's questions.
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Bobcat said: No wonder they are always crying.
:-D. ^ That made me laugh.
Ann @ 8.29 - here's an article in which appear the most used murder weapons. Poison is not a 'popular' choice, but a woman is seven times more likely to kill with poison than a man.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/05/07/poison-is-a-womans-weapon/?utm_term=.0bbab7b2f687
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If it can sound like poisoning to you, it can sound like someone who had been beaten up to me. And the hysterical 'laughter' could have been screams or screeches.
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Why would Davey or Jono make up that the baby had a heartbeat if it did not? Is it not more likely the baby did have a heartbeat. Amanda was given an ultra scan at the hospital, which Amber posted on her Facebook - that would easily pick up the heartbeat at twelve or thirteen weeks, or earlier.
It's not absurd, Bobcat sees 'water broke' is an unnecessary water reference, whilst others of us do not. We also don't know who said it, anyway - though who said it doesn't make any difference if it is not an unnecessary water reference. IMO.
It's all a bit of a distraction from Jono's blogpost, though I don't want to say anymore about that, anyway - except I am glad he wrote it and that his mother has not disowned her newly acknowledged son in her Twitter intro for so doing.
I think Amber's recounting of Davey calling to tell her Amanda had showered is appropriately in context. Amanda was a girlie-girl; her Instagram posts feature shopping, manicures and pedicures; she spent a lot of time tanning and clearly looking "put together" was important to her (no disrespect intended, none of that equates to vanity). There's no way she'd go to the hospital looking frumpy. Her Instagram and Twitter posts attest to her being very self-disciplined, strong, and determined.
Equally so, Amanda herself referenced her "OCD-ness" and her need/preference for order. She kept her house just so and seasonally decorated. The majority of pregnant women indulge their nesting instinct, many realizing it may be a bit before they're up to keeping up with the household stuff. Women in labor are known to vacuum, start laundry, finish up household tasks, etc. Given their propensity to tease Amanda, I would expect Davey to share the vacuuming tidbit with Amber on the phone. Amber, knowing her sister well, would likely have laughed at the truthfulness of the account. I'm not seeing anything nefarious there.
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It's not absurd, Bobcat sees 'water broke' is an unnecessary water reference, whilst others of us do not. We also don't know who said it, anyway - though who said it doesn't make any difference if it is not an unnecessary water reference. IMO.
It's all a bit of a distraction from Jono's blogpost, though I don't want to say anymore about that, anyway - except I am glad he wrote it and that his mother has not disowned her newly acknowledged son in her Twitter intro for so doing.
Again, if you people are going to practice SA, it would be to your advantage to get some training.....as Peter suggested. SA supposedly is not about guessing or individual opinions.
You "analysts" can't stop with your guess work.
This is merely an observation: Many of the posters on here, and it is somewhat subtle, although not really, seem far more interested in Amanda and Davey, I sense fascination actually with both Amanda and Davey which I find odd as personally I don't find either one of them intriguing, than they are with solving the crime.
I notice that SCAN is underused and ignored as far as solving this crime. I have attempted multiple times to utilize SCAN to help solve this crime. However, the posters here really aren't interested in finding the truth--they are fixated on Davey, Amanda and also Amanda's religious beliefs.
I notice that leakage is underused as a means of solving this crime.
I notice clues are underused in solving this crime. For example, discounting the attaining of the surveillance video as an IMPORTANT clue, I can't even respect.
Why did Jono ask in his post "could Amanda have simply fallen off the ladder while decorating the tree" right after he states it is a decorative ladder? Besides why would that come into someone's head?
You people just like gossiping about these people, their lives, their relationships, their beliefs. It's friggin unbelievable. I think out of the box and I'm very good at picking up on leakage as well as using SCAN. Others here are as good as me at using SCAN but refuse to use it on this case. I am good at picking up on "background stuff" going on in writing and forming mental pictures of what the person is thinking perhaps even unconsciously when writing. This gets ignored in favor of idle chatter about Amanda/Davey/Resonate.
This crime could have already been solved if not for people getting so caught up in the soap opera instead of getting down to business and SOLVING the crime.
And yes Hey Jude, poison may be used by women more often but isn't that somewhat insignificant if there are potential linguistic indicators of poisoning going on in the writing we are looking at? Also, doesn't Jono work in a lab? You people have sleuthed every single person related to this case, but of course, Jono working in a lab doesn't raise an eyebrow.
I feel like people here have ADD and get caught up in weird sidetracks and soap opera thinking.
Anon said:
Why did Jono ask in his post "could Amanda have simply fallen off the ladder while decorating the tree" right after he states it is a decorative ladder? Besides why would that come into someone's head?
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What Jono actually said:
'Could she have been on the ladder hanging Christmas decorations and fallen? Maybe a drop in blood pressure due to something with the baby and she blacked out and hit her head, bringing the ladder and lamp toppling with her? It didn’t necessarily have to be a malicious, intrusive act like a break-in, right?'
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He did not mention a Christmas tree.
Let' look at this section:
“How’s the baby?”
“The baby still has a heartbeat, incredibly. We don’t know if it’s a girl or boy yet. We were supposed to find out in about 3 weeks.” He slowed his pace a little. “Hey, look, just to give you a heads up, she took quite a beating. Don’t be startled when you see her.”
“A beating? She was beat up, too? How bad?” I asked, the horror of this event growing more and more evident as gaps in my understanding continued to be filled in.
“Bad,” came his simple reply as we approached her room. I could see her through the sliding glass doors, lying there on the hospital bed, intubated, face and neck swollen. I wouldn’t have known it was her had I not been led by my brother and seen my mom, my Aunt Diane, and Aunt Esther in the room with her.
As we entered the room, I got a better look at my usually warm, charming, jovial, sister-in-law who now lay unresponsive, all but lifeless, in that hospital bed. To my shame, and only for a brief moment, what I saw made my blood boil with rage. The top of Amanda’s head was completely wrapped in bandages, her face and neck were badly bruised and swollen, other scrapes and abrasions could be seen on her face neck and arms, one eyelid was bright purple, at least 3 or 4 top front teeth were missing, and her left arm was swollen and lacerated from near her elbow where the other bullet had entered to her shoulder where it was lodged. Who would do something like this? Especially to this sweet, kind, joyful blonde-haired 28-year-old girl who had been like a sister to me for the last 10 years?
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Hey Jude, you're right, my error, Jono didnt mention a tree. The point was that he states that it was a "decorative ladder" and then ponders whether she was using it to hang decorations and fell off it for whatever reason. It's ludicrous.
And "drop in blood pressure"? Why would he think that? Why?
That is leakage of something.
"due to something with the baby"--extra information making it sensitive
NOT "due to something with the pregnancy"--imo opinion, attempt to blame-shift due to "something with THE BABY"
Jono is a scientist. He knows if something w drop in blood pressure happened (and which could only happen w certain conditions much later on in the pregnancy) it would be due to THE PREGNANCY! Not due to "something with THE BABY specifically!
He also mention possible disease in "the body of the baby" as a possible factor--another attempt to blameshift
And one also really cant help but wonder if Amanda had been given news that something was potentially wrong with the baby and if that is leaking out.
Hey Jude, 2 things that jump out at me from the passage
"To my shame"
"Where the other bullet had entered"--did he ever mention the first bullet? Something bothers me about him saying "the other bullet"
This is the part which bothers me most:
Let' look at this section:
“How’s the baby?”
“The baby still has a heartbeat, incredibly. We don’t know if it’s a girl or boy yet. We were supposed to find out in about 3 weeks.” He slowed his pace a little. “Hey, look, just to give you a heads up, she took quite a beating. Don’t be startled when you see her.”
“A beating? She was beat up, too? How bad?” I asked, the horror of this event growing more and more evident as gaps in my understanding continued to be filled in.
“Bad,” came his simple reply as we approached her room. I could see her through the sliding glass doors, lying there on the hospital bed, intubated, face and neck swollen. I wouldn’t have known it was her had I not been led by my brother and seen my mom, my Aunt Diane, and Aunt Esther in the room with her.
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This needs comparing with what Davey has repeatedly claimed he thought caused Amanda to be in the condition she was in.
Amanda was unrecognisable to Jono.
Can we concentrate on that?
Who did Davey say had beat up Amanda? When has ever Davey even said Amanda was beaten up? Not once. The extreme minimisation of his wife's injuries points to Davey. There is no condemnation of whoever attacked and killed Amanda, no anger, and no curiousity.
Amanda didn't have an enemy in the world.
It's a conundrum.
She'd want us to forgive whoever murdered her.
OMG!!! Jono did it????!!!
Wow
Jono:
As we entered the room, I got a better look at my usually warm, charming, jovial, sister-in-law who now lay unresponsive, all but lifeless, in that hospital bed. To my shame, and only for a brief moment, what I saw made my blood boil with rage. The top of Amanda’s head was completely wrapped in bandages, her face and neck were badly bruised and swollen, other scrapes and abrasions could be seen on her face neck and arms, one eyelid was bright purple, at least 3 or 4 top front teeth were missing, and her left arm was swollen and lacerated from near her elbow where the other bullet had entered to her shoulder where it was lodged. Who would do something like this? Especially to this sweet, kind, joyful blonde-haired 28-year-old girl who had been like a sister to me for the last 10 years?
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No, Jono's questioning is not due to personal guilt, it is due to shame at himself for not being able to prevent himself from suspecting his brother. He doesn't want to think it, but he can't help himself.
If Amanda "took quite a beating" (according to her loving grieving husband Davey) to the point that she was unrecognizable to Jono, - that would've been obvious to IFD Engine 12 - also obvious to Davey the second he saw her face. Even without the "lying in a pool of blood", blood from "a head wound" which was actually a gunshot wound (another lie of omission) - blood from wounds caused by gunshots to the upper back and left arm -
- this guys keeps saying that honestly his first thought was that something had gone uh, horrifically wrong with the pregnancy, that they probably had just lost the baby right here but um -
By indicating the severity of Amanda's injuries and her appearance to him, Jono is trying to communicate that there's no way his brother could've EVER thought that Amanda's injuries, appearance, condition that morning when he walked in from the gym was in any way related to the baby/pregnancy.
His brother is calling him out as a liar without actually calling him one. I will absolutely call him a liar. I cannot imagine Davey continuing to try to sell this "first honest thought was something was wrong with the baby" story as plausible - and actually think people will believe it.
From looking at the screen caps of the covered mouths of his listeners, they do not believe it.
Yes, Flightful - and therefore also equally evident to all the other family members that Davey could not have mistaken the horrific assault upon Amanda as a miscarriage. They all know Davey is lying, as some of us have believed all along.
Normal husband's reactions: 'You will be so shocked when you see what the ******* have done to her...'
Davey's reaction: 'Don't be startled. She took quite a beating.'
"They all know Davey is lying, as some of us have believed all along."
Yes, they do. However, most have kept their yaps shut tight about it.
Jono's account also disagrees with Amber's.
Amber, however, has facebook blogged in full compliance with the story.
Her very first statement skips over time from just after Weston's birth to Amanda's death.
From that time period, this could be nothing, but it could be something...
Two weeks after Weston was born, Mamaw had something important she NEEDED to discuss with Davey's mother.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152327320300017&set=pb.687505016.-2207520000.1493320579.&type=3&theater
Bobbi Cook "Brenda, call me if you can, I need to share something with you or you can send me your # and I'll call you xxxxxxxx@gmail.com"
Again, OT, but one of the FIRST guest speakers at Resonate after Amanda's death was Jake Baird, whose wife died under 'inconclusive' circumstances only 8 days after their son was born. Jake & Davey were/are tight breakfast buddies.
Davey spoke of Perry Noble's support through the darkest season of his life this far ...
Anticipating an even darker season ? - no more crossfit - no more beach trips and walking around the hotel pool in Israel with Perry Noble admiring your abs (and commenting on them in church ?!) - no more massive completely renovated house with its library and pool and fireplace ....
I bet the defense attorneys will be using Davey's statements and most likely the 911 call will be revealed as well - so Davey's "my first honest thought" lost baby - miscarriage - probably just lost Evie right here - story is going to crumble.
It's crumbling right now with Jono's blog post being revealed. And yeah Amanda's family saw Amanda too (obviously) - they know now, if they didn't already suspect before, that Davey minimized Amanda's condition when he called them and told them to "pray".
If this was what it was supposed to be (breakin by random bad guyls) and they are the ones who inflicted all of these injuries and assault to Amanda ... if "we" truly had nothing to hide - why not tell the truth to Amanda's family about what you saw ?
There is a huge difference between not wanting to be too graphic and sharing everything at first - to avoid alarming the family while they are hurriedly driving to the medical center - but compared to never mentioning a breakin and especially making it sound like Amanda just fell from a ladder and hit her head and blacked out. Davey actually said in at least one appearance that he thought she "had just gotten lightheaded". And he phoned his dad and said we need to pray - texted Perry Noble too - and gave no indication at first of how serious a situation this was.
IFD Engine 12 knew as soon as they walked in that they didn't get the whole story and description of the scene from their 911 dispatcher. Wouldn't you think they would've told this to IMPD ?
The quilt seams are unraveling.
Davey's quote was "thus far" (referring to darkest season of his life), not "this far" (autocorrected by phone and I missed it).
So Megs is Davey's bunching bag? He also points out that she is using "her" gifts of serving him so he can be the pastor rock star. So messed up.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BTY6FtNljTd/?taken-by=daveyblackburn&hl=en
Oh and she also takes a lot of crap for DB and Weston. I know she spends a ton of time deleting negative comments. Besides that, What crap is she taking FOR DB and Weston?
I just can't imagine my pastor posting something about his assistant being a punching bag that takes crap for him. Peter, you are so right, Davey is a deeply disturbed individual even if he didn't murder his wife. (but he did)
Shower (warm water for first few minutes)
"My shame"
I slept on an uncomfortable love seat (poor me)
Sickening feeling
Wanted to vomit
Let me make sure I tell you how much I pray, like every second, do you believe Im a good person now?
Solemn chorus
"disease in body of baby"
drop in blood pressure bc of the baby (aka 1 inch long fetus is being incriminated)
scientist referring to 1-inch long fetus as a "body" which could have a "disease" (!)
Yes, Davey was involved and so were others imo
Surveillance video
Change in Amanda's behavior noted (extreme giddiness and also she is bent over behind bed seeming distressed)
Amber offered surveillance video after worker saw her rubbing Amanda's belly (NEWSFLASH, a woman does not even have a baby bump at 13 weeks (none--stomach appeared normal size--no increase--I know I didnt have any baby bump at that stage and neither has anyone else Ive known who's been prego)
I don't think I've ever heard a man refer to a woman as 'my punching bag'.
I'd be legging it right on out of there if I were Megan, even if it were just in case. That is a disturbing thing to say, Davey.
I wonder if it's on record anywhere that Amanda said she was fed up of being Davey's punching bag - well, as that's an acceptable sort of idea to him. Just punch the cushions, Davey.
Amanda had beautiful teeth.
Urban dictionary
emotional punching bag
When another person, typically the person you like, uses you to get rid of all their problems (anger, frustration, sadness etc.) and could care less about you.
So, he dumps all over her. She's his virtual emotional toilet.
Yep, you are right. Megs needs to run for the door but she won't. Some people are so easily conned and manipulated.
What do you guys think he meant by her taking crap for he and Weston?
Also, can you believe he would get almost 1000 likes on such a horrible post.
Let's have the full Instagram message:
8 hrs ago
daveyblackburnI truly have no idea where I'd be without @megsgriff. More than just an assistant she has become a confidante, a sounding board, a punching bag and the truest and most loyal friend anyone could ask for. She takes a lot of crap for Weston and me and always does it with such a servant's heart. She allows me to do what I'm called and gifted to do by embracing what she's called and gifted to do. @amandagblackburn would be so proud of you, Megs. Thank you for serving our family so well. (P.S. next year be sure to put National Admin Professional Day on my calendar 😂)
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Posted with photograph of Megan and Davey being goofy behind pushchair, Weston in his pushchair, Amanda down beside him, taking the selfie, and smiling.
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'Truest and most loyal friend' - translation - 'carry no tales'.
He is using Weston - if anyone 'attacks' Davey, they are harming Weston by extension. It's manipulation. Or she changes a lot of diapers. Or both.
She gets a lot dished out to her on datalounge.
And yes Amanda did have beautiful teeth. Too bad Davey or the man he hired had to knock them all out. The more I think about the condition Amanda was in, the more I think Davey was involved in the actual attack. That is up close and personal. Why would a robber beat up a small young lady, knock her teeth out, strip off her clothes, give her a black eye and then shoot her 3 times for a few hundred bucks. Did they ever find any of Amanda's blood on the 3 thugs? I am assuming whoever did it, beat her with the gun, otherwise there would be bruising and scrapes on the hands. If they do not have blood evidence of the thugs clothes, they should not have a case for murder. If she was abused that bad, blood would be everywhere and on their clothes, right?
Davey didn't say Megs was his 'emotional' punching bag, Bobcat - he said she was his punching bag.
I agree, Bingo, she won't run. From a young age Megan has been 'Pursuing Surrender' - that was her blog title, sub-title was 'to find or employ measures to obtain or accomplish yielding to the power, control, or possession of another'. The 'another' was not specified - she would have been more specific if she had meant God. Plus God is not merely 'another'.
Yes, there would most likely have been blood on the Christmas tree, too, Bingo, as she was found lying right in front of it, according to Amber - presumably she was shot while she stood or lay there, would have been some spray or spatter. IDK, suppose that would depend o the type,of bullet and gun. Strange he wanted to decorate his house with it the following Christmas, though.
Yes, Amanda would not have had much materially as a young pastor's wife - but she had her baby, her family, her nice home, and her good teeth - for a while, till someone decided to take all that away. Her faith, too, of course, which I doubt anyone was able to take away. Though they would refashion that to fit their own story of Amanda, which is a type of taking away.
Smashing up someone's face, knocking out their teeth, is a very personal attack - it is an attack upon the person's identity, a wish to destroy them. Jono would not have recognised Amanda if he had not been led to her, because her face was so smashed up.
Davey still claims he thought all that must have been a miscarriage, and they were just going to lose the baby.
Imagine how frightened poor Amber must have been, sitting besides Amanda in that hospital, alongside Davey, as he played out his insane act of ignorance, and played worship songs. I'd probably be inclined to sugarcoat all that too, if I had doubts about Davey, and felt I had need to humour him.
Amber's statements do not indicate fear.
They indicate:
Self promotion
Emotional manipulation
Deception
Concealing Responsibility
Withholding Information
Artificial placement of emotion
NTP that she is a good sister
NTP that she would not lie
The amount of words Amber devoted to finding the perpetrator(s):
Zero.
If she is writing all her stories blogs just to protect Davey. why???????????
Blogger Bobcat said...
The amount of words Amber devoted to finding the perpetrator(s):
You know all amber's words, do ya?
Possibly because she is scared of Davey and wants to keep contact with Weston. IDK. It must be very difficult being Davey's family - he's not even a suspect so far as we know (though I bet he is, and his time will come). Look at his glee. Still, Indianapolis police have statement analysts in their ranks, so he could still end up laughing on the other side of his face.
I am sure Davey punched Amanda's teeth out. He
Telegraphed it. When I was a teen, I saw a guy walk up to another guy who had sold his friend aerosol deodorant, wrapped the bottle w some kind of tape and told him it was hospital anasthetic and to inhale it and it would get him high (the guy almost died from inhalimg it--these guys were both older teens)....anyway, the guy walked up to this guy who had sold his friend the aerosol deodorant and punched him dead center in the mouth. The punch knocked out the 4 top front teeth and it was HORRIBLE looking bc the teeth break off near the gumline. Disturbing story, but that is what happened to Amanda: she was punched directly in the mouth by someone who wanted to knock out her teeth. She was not hit in the teeth with a gun. That would not have the force or the width to knock out all 4 top teeth. Didnt Davey telegraph God punching a partner in their teeth?
"Punching bag": Davey is basically a retarded psychopath...he may be smart but he's not playing with a full deck...I am sure he has punched Meg and is simply too psychologically stupid to understand that publicizing that fact could harm HIM.
So, what one does not say can be of as much significance as what one does say.
Why doesn't Amanda devote any words to finding the perpertrator/s -
I suggest:
Amber suspects there are no unknown perpetrators to be 'found' - therefore there is nothing to write about in that regard
Amber, along with all the family, suspects Davey killed or hired Amanda's killers
They hope their suspicions are wrong, that the case against the accused will be proved, and that some explanation can be found for all Davey's unexpected behaviour - obviously they don't want to believe he may have killed or hired Amanda's killer - they love Davey, despite Davey.
Amber has to live with 'cleared Davey' as a brother-in-law - it is necessary to get along with him, also a nightmare if she is not certain of his innocence. Amber was afraid in her own home for months after Amanda's murder, despite the accused had been arrested. As so many people suspect Davey, any continuing fear for,her own safety has probably passed, especially as she is supporting Davey's narrative.
Amber puts her trust in God, knowing she may have to live a long time without seeing true justice for Amanda.
Amber is not protecting Davey, she is protecting herself - the survival instinct is strongest. Keep in mind The trauma she must have experienced as she sat next to Amanda as she lay dying from a pan obviously brutal murder which Davey, also holding Amanda's hand, claimed he mistook for a miscarriage. That is scary. If you were Amber, and had spent the previous day with your sister, who may have confided in you about Davey, that is even more scary.
I think those are the reasons she wrote as she did.
Maybe that is why she was bent over behind the bed in distress: because he had just punched her teeth out. Whoever punched her teeth out wanted to punch her teeth out--it was premeditated, just like the guy I saw punch out another's guys teeth "to teach him a lesson for selling his friend a deadly "drug". Im sure that guy though exactly that thought that he was going to punch the guys teeth out. Whoever punched Amanda's teeth out just walked right up to her and punched them out, Im sure she had no warning bc it takes a full force direct punched to the mouth to do that. If she was running, turning, cowering, anything the person would not get a direct full-force punch in. Whoever did it, she did not expect to be attacked as he walked up to her, just like the guy I saw punch that guys teeth out--he just walked right up to him like he was not even mad and then BAM punched him right in the mouth bc he wanted a direct punch to hit the guys mouth. So whoever punched out Amanda's teeth, she trusted him enough to let him walk right up to her--that's how he got the direct punch in. DAVEY DID IT.
Also and I hate to be graphic but if he punched her teeth out near the bed there would be minimal bleeding (if any) bc the teeth break off. Im just so upset--I knew he did it bc of the telegraphing and CI said one lower tooth knocked out by a gun but now Jono says 4 top front teeth were missing. She was punched by someone she trusted enough to let them walk right up to her and they surprised her with the direct punch to the mouth. DAVEY DID IT.
Leading the way in surrender. . . to DAVEY
Davey is saying Meg is his "punching bag" because he is a "puncher". He takes pride in his strength and ability to get in a good punch. I know he did it. I know it. Anytime you hear about someone punching someone's teeth out, you hear how they walked right up to the person and punched out the teeth. It's a surprise punch. The person doesn't see it coming. That is what happened to Amanda. And yes the teeth do appear as "missing teeth" because they break off jaggedly a little above the gumline...it's a horrible sight. Davey did it. He loves using his fists and punching. He probably punches a punching bag int he gym while fantasizing about punching whoever he's going to punch. He probably does punch Meg in places where clothes will cover it. Why should he be nervous about calling Meg his "punching bag" when he punched his own wife's teeth out and got away with it and got shitloads of sympathy?
@7:41, Right. Exactly. That was how he felt like she had surrendered to his full domination after he punched out her teeth. He had "taught her a lesson she would never forget". Intoxicating power.
I think Amanda's teeth were more likely to have been kicked out. Remember how Kenneth Wagner, speaking a little while back at Resonate (under sufferance), made some quip in which he said '...now I just kick their teeth out.' He obviously does not go round just kicking out the teeth of people who annoy him. He did not want to be there. There was a reason he said it. There is always a reason why people say what they do. I believe it was an expression of contempt towards Davey. Also letting him know he knew Amanda's teeth had been kicked out, probably because the investigators would have told him that during interview. They are sure to have interviewed Kenneth and let him know what they were dealing with, as he was the fifty minute driveway alibi call.
'the truest and most loyal friend anyone could ask for.'
Anyone could ask for - rather than 'I could ask for.'
He doesn't actually say Megs is his truest and most loyal friend.
Is he actually distancing himself from Megan as his truest and most loyal friend? She is not 'a friend' or 'my friend' - she is the truest and most loyal friend anyone could ask for - not necessarily him. Anyone 'could' ask for - not who anyone had asked (hoped or wished) for. Am I reading too much in to this?
I think Megan is useful for the donkey work, and a willing 'servant', but she has not got the status of his very best friend, who is Kenneth, or of Perry, or both, depending on who he is with, as I recall. Was it even Perry who was his best friend? I forget. I doubt Perry or Kenneth would return the compliment, or even be able to continue to regard it as a compliment so long as Davey is almost dancing on Amanda's grave. He's also living with Ashley and Derek, who are 'friends' - I don't think they have been awarded a fuller friend description than that, though perhaps they don't need it, as they appear to be close. I get Ashley covered her mouth.
Jude, Why are you placing more credence in what Kenneth WAgner says he does and he is saying these words like a year after Amanda's death over Davey's telegraphing about God punching a partner's teeth, seeing as how Davey spoke these words mere days before Amanda was murdered with teeth punched out.
Davey telegraphed it. Davey did it. DAvey punched her teeth out bc he was pissed about something she had said to him. Maybe she pointed out that he is more than a little light in the loafers. I'm sure he'd have to throw a sissy bitch fit after hearing that.
Thanks to Jono, now this information is out there about Amanda's appearance at Methodist Hospital as well as Davey's demeanor that morning.
Now, whether Amanda's teeth were kicked out or punched out, EVERYONE now knows that it happened - we have a more clear picture of the violence of that morning. EVERYONE now knows there's no way Davey could misconstrue this into something related to a miscarriage.
Davey keeps repeating that his "honest first thought" was that something had happened to the baby. . .
Davey's friends and family, Amanda's friends and family, defense attorneys for those in custody for this crime, all of those people to whom he has spoken in multiple appearances - Levi Lusko, Kenneth Murphy, Kenneth Wagner, Clint Dupin, Perry Noble and everyone else - uh, I honestly thought we just lost the baby right here. . . they know it's a lie - not even a little bit true.
Teeth knocked out, blood pooled from three gunshot wounds, shirt pulled up and underwear removed, stuff scattered all over the floor, clear evidence that someone had been in his house. . . and yet Davey also repeatedly said he had no idea anyone had been in his house. . .
So why didn't he mention the baby or a miscarriage in his texts to his mom, to Perry Noble, or in the phone call to his dad? He says pray for Amanda, she's fallen - or she's unconscious (or both) - always giving the impression that it was just a fall or lightheadedness or an accident and nothing about the baby being in danger or this being related to a miscarriage.
Some of the texts Jono and Tessa received from his mom said -
Please pray right now – Amanda has collapsed and is unconscious on the floor but breathing,
She is in critical condition – she has a head wound. Davey doesn’t know what happened. He had come home from a workout this morning and found her on the living room floor, and things had fallen – the ladder in the living room and the lamp. Don’t know if there was a break in or if something else happened.
Just talked to Davey – there was a break-in / there were bullet wounds to the head and arm – they don’t know if she is going to make it.
The text Perry Noble received said -
Well the thing, one of the things that got me ‘tho Davey is, I was having a conversation, and I, from my vantage point the, you know the first text I got from, from you was, you know, pray for us, pray for Amanda, uh, she’s fallen, um, we don’t know what’s wrong. And then I come out of a meeting, uh, an hour and a half two hours later and it’s like Amanda got shot and I was like no no no Amanda fell...
The phone call to Davey's dad also said something like Dad, we need to pray for Amanda - and gave some indication that she had fallen and hit her head (I would appreciate the exact wording of that phone call but I’ve not been able to find it).
Jono's blog, as he writes about the possibility of a breakin -
What? A break-in? The realization of the nature of Amanda’s injury and the events that could have transpired hit me with such force I had to catch my breath again.
"Just" a breakin /burglary wouldn't mean that the homeowner would be beaten, assaulted, shot three times (one to the back of the head) and left for dead. I find it interesting that Jono almost instantly makes the jump from "breakin" to "events that could have transpired" - meaning? "very bad injuries could have happened” ? The nature and appearance to Jono of Amanda’s injuries led to a picture in his mind of what could have transpired - did he have any idea that his own brother might be capable of inflicting such damage to his wife?
It makes total sense that Amber was/is afraid of Davey.
I;m sure Davey would be pissed if Amanda told him he seems gay even though he had no problem posting a picture of himself with a guy caressing his boob.
Fear makes sense, but her words say
"Davey and I giggled"
Jono's blog, as he writes about the possibility of a breakin -
What? A break-in? The realization of the nature of Amanda’s injury and the events that could have transpired hit me with such force I had to catch my breath again.
It is important to note that this thought of Jono's occurred BEFORE he and Tessa made it to Indy and saw Amanda in the condition she was in. WELL before it. This was before they knew much at all - when they were headed out the front door on the way to work.
I am not accusing Jono - but I am curious - how did Jono realize at this point in the timeline that this particular breakin could cause injury of such magnitude - the events that could have transpired (and did) ? Why would just a random burglary trigger him to jump to major injuries and a feeling that something terrible had happened - when his mom still hadn't confirmed that there was even a break in in the first place - only that things were out of place ?
Copied/pasted from the blog post (link to entire post at end) -
Just as we were headed out the front door, another text update:
Mom: “She is in critical condition – she has a head wound. Davey doesn’t know what happened. He had come home from a workout this morning and found her on the living room floor, and things had fallen – the ladder in the living room and the lamp. Don’t know if there was a break in or if something else happened. We are leaving to go up there. Please keep praying. They are doing a CAT scan right now. Baby still has a heartbeat. Davey is a mess.”
What? A break-in? The realization of the nature of Amanda’s injury and the events that could have transpired hit me with such force I had to catch my breath again.
Tessa: “I can’t imagine! Praying! Where is Weston? Is he okay?”
(My nephew was 15 months old at the time).
Mom: “He is at the hospital with Davey.”
Relief swept over me. At this point we had made it to the car and were coasting down the alley that runs beside our carriage house toward the main road. I had a sickening feeling we wouldn’t be at work very long today.
Me: “Let us know if we should come up too. Please.”
Tessa: “Yes. Let us know and we’ll come up.”
Link to entire blog post here -
http://apotheolotics.blogspot.com/2016/11/one-year-ago_12.html
Davey and I, Davey and I, Davey and I. . .
Stockholm syndrome - bonding with the captor? Davey and I are a pair, nothing to see here, I trust my brother in law completely, see my flowery blog posts about how close we are and how much we have shared together.
And compare Jono's description of Amanda to what Davey could muster up when George Stephanopoulos asked Davey during Good Morning America appearance what he would want the world to know about Amanda - or when Steve Doocy during Fox News appearance said "tell us about your wife" -
Jono’s blog - he describes her as HIS warm, charming, jovial sister in law - and as this sweet, kind, joyful blonde-haired 28-year-old girl who had been like a sister to him for the last 10 years. He obviously cared about Amanda, felt close to her, admired her - these are very nice words from a brother in law to describe Amanda. Sweeter words than anything Davey could muster up and then stammer out to the interviewers.
Davey on Good Morning America -
George Stephanopoulos - I know the community came together in a memorial service for Amanda over the weekend, what do you want the world to know now about your wife?
Davey responds - Oh my gosh, I wish I could tell the world everything about her, I wish I had the time to but, um, I think what I would really want the world to know is that she loved Jesus with her whole heart. And she loved people, and she spent her life pouring her life out to people. She served people, she uh, loved the people that were unloveable, gave hope to people who um, didn’t have hope, didn’t think they had a future, and um, she just absolutely gave everything she had to her Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Davey on Fox News -
Steve Doocy - you’ve gotta beautiful family, tell us about Amanda…
Davey responds - Yeah, yeah, um, (laughs) Amanda was loved by everyone ah, wel..th..the most important thing about Amanda is that she was absolutely in love with Jesus Christ. Um, she loved Jesus (he starts gesticulating with his hands now like a preacher does, for emphasis on words) and because of that, because Jesus had changed her heart, and, and, Jesus was living inside of her , he was living thru her, she loved everybody around her, so she , she had this incredible way of seeing potential in people that, ah, most people didn’t see in themselves, an, and, I feel like she did this in everything in her life, ya know, one a, one a, the things that she’d been doin’ over the past 4 years was buildin’ this business where she restored furniture. She would take what looked to be trash and turn it into somethin’ that was, that was beautiful, that was treasure, I, I’d joke with her all the time, she’d have me pickin’ up furniture off the side of the road, and I’m like, Babe, you can’t do anything with this, and she’s like, just trust me, gimme time, I’ll, I’ll make it into somethin’ beautiful , and I think that’s what’s so, what’s so, great about, um, ya know, e..even, in what Jesus has been showin’ us in the process of all of this, is that we serve a God , Jesus Christ, who takes what the world says is a tragedy, what the world says is trash, and in time he makes it beautiful, and, and, I love the fact that now, she’s in heaven, and with Jesus, and she sees that end result because she was always the one that could see the end result in the furniture and in people before anybody else could, and so, man, we’re just, we’r, that’s what, that’s where we get hope in this whole situation. It’s a hope that doesn’t make sense , it’s a peace that doesn’t make sense, even to us, and I know ta the world , but we know that she loved Jesus, we love Jesus, and uh, we have that , that, perspective that has really helped us ta, ta, derive strength thru this whole thing.
Steve Doocy - Sure. Such lovely words about your wife. (probably thinking NOT SO MUCH, asshole)
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Davey on WTHR -
Michelle (interviewer) You’ve kind of done this throughout the whole interview – but I’m going to repeat it again. Tell us the coolest thing you know about Amanda.
Davey responds - [Laugh] We could write a book! Maybe we will one day, I don’t know. Um. Gosh, she uh, you know there are so many people that live their lives that like want, they want their life to be on display, they want their life to be about them. Um, on some level I’m sure there’s so many people who have altruistic notions, they’re like, they wanna on a deeper level ‘I wanna do something for a greater cause’, but we see so much of it in our world today, of selfishness – and Amanda was the complete opposite of that, and she lived her life that way. She uh, she loved people, and she served people, and she – you heard it over and over in the funeral service – she was the kind of person who would sit down and talk to you, but she wouldn’t talk, she would just listen. And you would sit and talk about your life for fifteen, twenty, thirty minutes and, and she was so interested, and then she had so much – Michelle, she had so much wisdom that was beyond her years. Uh, in fact she had a tattoo on her, on her wrist that was a symbol in Hebrew that means the fountain of wisdom – that was kind of her life, almost mantra was just ‘I want to be wise’ , and she was, she was wise beyond her years - people came, well older than her, well more experienced than her came and asked her for advice, and she would just sit and give counsel, and that’s what she loved to do, is just help people – and she poured her life out for people, to do that. Um, while she was living in Indy. And um – I.m not sure if there’s a better, a better way you can commemorate her that she lived her life for Jesus, and for other people – and everything flowed out of that, um everything – every decision she made, every um, every feeling she kept in check, every thought she guarded – was, was ‘I want to serve Jesus, and I want to serve other people’ and um, that’s what made her so wonderful.
Flightful, I wonder if they share Gavin too. I mean he wasn't on vacation with Amber and the rest of the family, didn't go to the hospital with her either. Where was Gavin?
Gavin and Davey were a pair at first - best friends (or more?)
Gavin and Amber became a couple.
Gavin and Amber introduced Davey and Amanda because Gavin and Davey thought it would be cool if they were married to sisters so when the sisters wanted to cruise do stuff together, THEY would always get to cruise together too. They were so close that they even bought matching shirts at the mall.
Is it possible that Amanda had misgivings about getting married to Davey but felt great pressure from Amber or others in her family or both - to fit into this arrangement, have the double wedding - that here's this "great" guy who looks like a real charmer a la Scott Peterson -
on the surface it would seem just perfect.
Amanda and Davey spent hardly any time together while they were dating - it was all long distance. If I recall correctly, the most length of time they were ever together nonstop before they were married was only like a week or two. It would be easy for a wolf in sheep's clothing to present a very nice front when they rarely saw each other.
So no matter how glorious Davey wants us to think his marriage was, they had problems from the start. Amanda made no secret whatsoever about it. One watch of the Love Song week six Q&A and she bares her soul about their marriage, how she felt. She said the honeymoon was over as soon as they returned from Cancun - she talked about how rough their marriage was (to which Davey appeared embarassed, like how could it not be perfect if you're married to me).
The friction between them was palpable. His disrespect for her was obvious - in that video as well as in others in the Love Song series - where it was him alone on stage talking about her. And in the Chicago romantic weekend getaway train station video, she looked absolutely miserable while listening to a lecture from Davey about how husbands are called to DIE for their wives or whatever.
I cannot tell whethert Gavin and Davey are just friends (and brothers-in -law) or more than friends. I also cannot tell whether Amber's writings lump her together with Davey because she is afraid of him or because she wants people to know how close they are.
Amber's husband Gavin is not prominent in Amber's writings. Davey is.
Re 'Davey and I' - from Amber, remember what Mom2Many said recently - she is distancing herself from Davey, she does not say 'we' - it is always Davey and I - so while the writing gives the impression of unity, she is also keeping distance between herself and Davey.
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Interesting to suggest Stockholm Syndrome, Flightful - it might have been something of that, too - well, two long traumatic days keeping vigil for Amanda, with Davey also holding Amanda's hand - or hovering. I don't know though, I doubt she would genuinely begin to sympathise with him, I think more self-preservation than really taking his story on board. Her eyes told her otherwise.
Yes, the contrast between the brothers' attitude towards Amanda could not be more different - I'm glad Amanda had a decent brother-in-law - shame he lived so far away. It maybe has cost him a lot, in personal terms, to publish his blogpost. Davey is so selfish and self-concerned - he seems not to have known anything about Amanda - even that bit about her listening to people for half an hour he filched from someone at Resonate. Thanks for posting all that Flightful, good reminder of how vacuous he is when it comes to Amanda. He probably only noticed Amanda's furniture business because it inconvenienced him when she asked her to pick up pieces for her. Well, you don't want to be lugging furniture around when you're pregnant. Even that he uses to denigrate her, like as though Amanda herself was trash who in heaven is now treasure. Table leg, anyone? Well.
Flightful
Re: Jono
Yes, he seems to have strange precognitive knowledge of events before he knows of them. Yes, that is right!
Consider:
Racing to Shower (This is an unexpected water reference that cannot be ignored!)
Warm water
Crying out to God in shower
Disease in Body of baby (1-inch embryo at that stage 13 weeks) may have caused Amanda's "problem" (dying on floor)
"WE" had "no idea" she was pregnant (Yes he did!)
Sleeping on uncomfortable love seat (poor him! It had uncomfortable wooden armrest too!) Davey took the recliner.
******I wonder if there is something here to uncover. Davey took the recliner, comfortable and he fell soundly to sleep as one would in their own home in their own bed. Jono, however sleeps on the "LOVE seat"---uncomfortable, as if he is being tormented, wood poking into him---metaphorically can we not see this in terms of the way the "lover" of a married woman might see his lover's husband...he is on the outside looking in as the husband falls asleep next to his wife and he is out in the cold so to speak, left uncomfortably alone and tormented by these thoughts just as Jono is left tormented on the uncomfortable love seat while Davey sleeps comfortabley on the reclienr. Jono calls the contraption he slept on in the hospital a "love seat". I would like this addressed by the other thinkers here even if it means controlling your ADD for 2 minutes.
Amanda dies ("solemn" chorus of their angelic f&ckin voices are you impressed? I'm not!)
re Stockholm syndrome - I don't think Amber sympathizes with Davey but definitely that she is self-preserving - that if he thinks she trusts him, she will be safe from something happening to her (that's hard to even write).
Sort of like when someone is being held captive and they begin to take up with the captor - to the point that then the captor sees the captive as a friend or nonthreat and is unable to carry out their original plan to harm the captive.
I've read about that - how people escape from being held just by seeming to be concerned about the captors' well-being.
With respect to Amber's use of "Davey and I" - I see it as her wanting to be a team, a pair, with him. When I talk or write email/text to my parents about what "we" (Tim and I) did last night or on the weekend, they know that "we" would only mean Tim and I - yet I write "Tim and I" did this or that because it indicates the bond I feel with him and I want to include him - I like having his name linked with mine - not just "we".
I got the (maybe mistaken) impression with Amber's "Davey and I" that she was meaning to lump herself in with him like I want to be lumped in with Tim - like, I'm in with Davey, see how close we are. I don't remember reading anything about "Gavin and I" or even Gavin by himself except for a birthday and some pix on Facebook - but not on these long flowery Facebook posts or blog posts.
Yeah, Davey has gotten some good mileage out of the "Amanda took trash and turned it into treasure" story - using it to assure everybody including himself that her brutal assault and murder might look like trash to everyone right now but that Jesus can and is going to) make something beautiful out of it.
Just like his story with the quilt with the ugly patch on the reverse side but then when you turn it over it's beautiful -- or the cake with the bitter ingredient that by itself would taste awful - but bake it into a cake and all of a sudden it's so sweet and great.
The best is yet to come - nothing is wasted - yeah Amanda was killed (or "Amanda passed", as he keeps saying in his most recent blog post to Weston - way to sugar coat it - I hate this guy so much) but great things are going to come from it. Amanda has impacted exponentially more people through her death than she ever could've DREAMED of impacting had she lived. It goes on and on.
Whatever helps you sleep at night - tell yourself what you want to know, you Crossfitting pompadour-haired boy, you.
Jono's songs:
It Is Well With My Soul:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY5o9mP22V0
Holy, Holy, Holy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1TG_MmiQxU
How Great Is Our God:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOMmRz-Jg3c
Love Seat
Jono tosses and turns on the "love" seat distressed about Amanda's fate: Davey has the comfortable recliner and falls comfortably right to sleep.
Did Jono love Amanda? Did Jono impregnate Amanda?
Is the "shower" and "warm water" relating to sex? Maybe he was thinking of her warm embrace or thinking of her but not in a vulgar way?
Why does he call it a love seat? The truth always wants to come out. Always. Maybe he loved her?
@10:35, Well we know now he has horrible taste in music, but it seems like he's a sensitive soul. Look how he speaks of Amanda. Look how distressed he is when he finds out she is pregnant and dying and baby will die too. I think they were having an affair but he really cared for her. I don't believe Amanda would want to sleep with Davey--look how she looks at him in video at top of page.
That is how a lover feels. He wanted to be along with his own private thoughts of love for Amanda/ That is why he was upset when his wife turned OFF the hairdryer, because then he would be pulled out of his silent memories and have to talk to his wife.
Flightful - I think they all feel guilt, knowing that while Amanda was initially enthusiastic about Davey, it waned - she gave him up for Lent. After which, no doubt there was encouragement to pick up the relationship, which was only long-distance, and to have the magical double wedding, etc. On the face of it, it probably seemed perfect, Davey can charm, he's good looking, a pastor's son marrying pastor's daughter, with intentions to be a pastor himself. It probably seemed the ideal arrangement, the type of life they envisaged for Amanda - a pastor's wife, a stay at home mom with a few kids, supporting her husband, and helping out in the church. The parents mention how right the marriage was, even how Amanda went into their bedroom and woke them to tell them about Davey after one of their earlier dates. It's an early recollection - they don't go on to say it panned out to be a great marriage. Mom also says that girl never gave her a minute's trouble - somit's most likely Amanda did not trouble her family with her problems. I think they probably had convinced themselves it was a great idea and God's plan for Amber and Amanda, but that they need to mention how right the marriage was, when no-one asked, could be a need to persuade - themselves, at least. It is very sad, it should have been so different.
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Davey 'stewarding' Amanda 'for a season' - that so gives the chills, it sounds far removed from the intention to love, honour, and to cherish Amanda for life. Marriage vows do not entail stewarding partners for a season, like cattle for the market or a crop to the harvest. I still can't believe he said that, though I do.
Yeah, like "the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away" - Davey said something like that too, coupled with "blessed be your name" - in one of the NewSpring appearances.
He really was surprisingly calm about his wife being ripped away from him - much less in such a brutal fashion - no anger, only contrived tears and shaky voice (major acting fail) - just peace - sort of like, ho hum, Amanda is gone, but looky looky what good things have come from it ! !
Seriously, WHO prepares a statement to release - in the immediate aftermath of his wife's death (a statement released more than once in different venues) - which includes the words "we are still hoping and still believing that great things are still yet to come from this" ?
Someone who had time to prepare his heart (assisted by the Levi Lusko video) and who knew it was going to happen. These words were released the next day - at a time Davey should've been reeling from shock and grief - not seeing the bright side of things. No matter how much faith someone has, that's not normal. He would've done well to soft pedal those feelings - even if he felt them.
And I agree that Jono has some weird and unnecessary references to showers and water and blow dryers and I'm not sure what it all means - but I do not see Amanda going behind Davey's back and sleeping with anyone else - even as clearly miserable as she was in their marriage.
Do you people think Davey could actually conceive a child after wearing skinny jeans all the time?
There are linguistic indicators Jono had romantic feelings for Amanda.
Flightful, I hope she did go behind his back. And she would have wanted to. Davey jokes about sodomy rape in reference to HER publically...take it from a woman, she wanted to stray outside the marriage--ANY WOMAN would at least want to. It's not for us to decide--we need to go on linguistic indicators. Linguistic indicators like "love seat" and Jono's tortured rest while Amanda lay dying.
He was remembering her in the shower, her warm embrace, but then like any man, he changed the water to cold to try to block out the memories and "snap out of it".
By the description he meant this style seat, which is a love seat, albeit obviously designed by Puritans to discourage such pursuits. :)
http://cyan-teak-furniture.com/acatalog/love_seat.php
Or two seats joined, but with a table divider - or a very small sofa is often called a love seat, though I never heard of a sofa with a wooden divider in the middle.
Amanda did not go with Jono, she was not that type of person. I very much doubt Jono is either. Jono has great affection for Amanda, which is not unexpected, as Amanda was as he described her. He no doubt had concerns for her too, knowing his brother so well. I expect all the men in the family had worries for Amanda, and have suffered guilt, for not having realised the danger Amanda was in. Even if anyone wants to discount everything else, Davey was reckless in his 'stewarding' of Amanda - emptying their savings, giving away a car they were gifted, and by his own admittance, regularly not bothering to lock the front door.
What is the relationship between Jono and Davey? They live distantly. Are they Facebook friends? Do they meet up outside of the obligatory family holidays with parents? It was seven years since they last had a long hug. That doesn't sound so great - maybe they had lots of short hugs, or maybe they could not stand the sight of each other, and had little contact. They must have had contact at times, for Jono's fondness for Amanda to grow.
I couldn't blame Amanda if she did go behind Davey's back - she was such a chaste individual though - so even though she was miserable I just can't see it.
One of the things she talked about in the Love Song video was if she and Davey had "messed up" during their dating and done something "they shouldn't have done" sex-wise - going too far before marriage, as taught by their church - to which Davey said something like (not exact words) "that means I touched her knee too high up" - meaning it was not even close to being "bad" at all - but Amanda considered that to be out of bounds before they were married.
Or maybe he was joking and it was something else - but at any rate Amanda felt bad about something they had done before they were married - she was very pure.
And then you have Davey who had to have his internet sites monitored to guard his purity - frustrated because he couldn't come home and throw Amanda onto the counter - so he found another outlet - and got found out?
Amanda also would've been taught to be faithful to her husband no matter what - and that sort of ingrained thought process from childhood (seriously, in the Baptist church) would be hard to shake.
The Hospitals in my area have love seats- essentially they only seat two people. Here, they often have a small wooden insert separating the two cushions so that both people not only have a place to set their coffee or their laptop, but also afford a little "space" when you're forced to sit next to stranger in a crowded waiting room. I don't find Jono referencing it as a love seat out of context. If the ones at that hospital are like ours, they're not the most comfortable to spend the night in either.
As for the comfort issue, I think he was kind of passive-aggressively taking a shot at Davey for taking the recliner selfishly. Davey should have afforded the recliner to Amanda's parents/his parents/any grandparent/any elder in the waiting room. In a hospital that size, I would also expect other families to be sharing the same vigil for their loved ones in the common ICU family waiting room. I get the feeling that Jono is aware that Davey is not as holy/spiritual as he's making himself out to be, but to actually confront and expose Davey would hurt his parents. Dysfunctional. Appearances are everything in that caricature of Christianity, so the pressure is high to maintain appearances- go along to get along. The fact that Jono even posted this at all, even a year later tells me he's unsettled about Davey's version of events. He seems compelled to "correct" Davey, just as Amanda quietly but firmly asserted "That's a lie." in the Love Song Q & A. It took courage to write it out where any and every one could see it.
Hey Jude said
"I expect all the men in the family had worries for Amanda, and have suffered guilt, for not having realised the danger Amanda was in."
With all due respect, don't kid yourself. People don't give a shit about other people. I started out viewing Jono's posts skeptically, but there's something there. He had feelings for her. It starts out with the "shower" linguistic tell.
You say Amanda's not "the type". Davey could turn anyone into "the type". Women all crave to be sexually desired and loved. If they are not getting that feeling at home from their husband (Davey is gay and makes rape sodomy jokes, so she was not getting that feeling at home) she was looking, she was fantasizing, she was receptive to an affair. You are very naive if you don't understand that. That is what ALL women want is the very OPPOSITE of what Davey provided. If you think there are certain "types" that would be content with that or not be receptive to an affair outside of that, you don't understand women, not one of them, not any of them. ANY woman will stray outside of marriage if she is not feeling sexually desired or loved. The only variable is if there is a guy around offering that. If Jono was offering it, she would have taken it.
That's what I think Fools - Jono is exposing Davey's lies - unraveling Davey's version of events - making it quite clear that there's absolutely no way Davey could've seen Amanda looking like that when he walked in and then remotely think her appearance and injuries were the result of a miscarriage.
Quietly and without confrontation, he is standing up for the sweet, joyful girl who was like a sister to him for ten years. I think he wants that information out there to the public so people can form their own opinion - of whether Davey's version of what he honestly saw and honestly thought makes sense.
Brave, that guy.
Flightful,
One of the things she talked about in the Love Song video was if she and Davey had "messed up" during their dating and done something "they shouldn't have done" sex-wise - going too far before marriage, as taught by their church - to which Davey said something like (not exact words) "that means I touched her knee too high up" - meaning it was not even close to being "bad" at all - but Amanda considered that to be out of bounds before they were married.
Or maybe he was joking and it was something else - but at any rate Amanda felt bad about something they had done before they were married - she was very pure."
It doesn't matter! Once she slept with him after marriage and gets stuck with that bag of shit sex life and feeling sexually undesired and unloved, ANY woman will stray if a some other guy is offering it. That is the primary need of ALL women for their happiness is to feel sexually desired and loved. You're obviously a man flightful, it's so obvious. Get it through your head. That is what a woman wants in a relationship is to feel sexually desired from someone non-gay who doesn't make rape jokes. Youre so incredibly naive. Without that element there is no point in even being a relationship bc all a woman would be doing is just looking around for someone else they would rather be in a relationship with. You are so ignorant. Amanda was not chaste once in the marriage...she has a kid. Duh.
Flightful said
"Amanda also would've been taught to be faithful to her husband no matter what - and that sort of ingrained thought process from childhood (seriously, in the Baptist church) would be hard to shake."
No, it wouldn't. That is why God made women is so they can feel beautiful and desired and loved, and no woman is happy with a bag of shit sex life from a gay guy who doesn't provide ANY of those feelings. It doesn't matter what else he's providing--money, conversation, companionship, shared interests, partnership, etc. if a woman is not made to feel desired and loved, she is looking around, fantasizing of being with someone else, and all it takes is the opportunity with a guy who can provide that. This is ALL women. Get it through your head.
You say "Brave, that guy."
He's not brave. How is he brave? Because he regurgitated the same crap all the others have but gave a more realistic description of her appearance? I would not call him brave. Has he come out and said "I suspect my brother's involvement." No, he hasn't. So I would not say he has a set of balls or he is brave. Especially to put in that total crapola about the solemn chorus--that part made me want to vomit. I'm so sick of hearing this saccharine bullshit about all the prayers and singing worship songs. Anyone truly spiritual doesn't have to keep saying that shit over and over.
Right. It's one thing if someone prays a lot, that person can be spiritual.
But these people in Davey's circle talk and write constantly about HOW MUCH they pray and how much they sing holy songs. This is a mask, and what it is covering is not pretty.
People who make a show of their own religiosity, and I hate to say it but that bit about the solemn chorus at Amanda's beside was really over the top, like it wasn't about Amanda's death in Jono's narrative it was about the transcendent chorus created by Davey and Co. reaching up to the heavens. Frightening is what it is. It is one disguise evil loves to hide behind. I think it's because it's difficult to "argue" against it or expose the evil hiding behind it...after all, what can you say "You're not really holy!" When you say that or think that about an evil person hiding behind their mask of holiness, the worst they feel you could do is reveal they are "normal", not "holy". So, they feel they have "one up" and that if they are exposed the worse that will happen is that they will be seen as not particularly pious by one person who doubts their sincerity, but they don't think they will ever be seen as evil. People who brag constantly about how holy they are (I am not talking about people who genuinely are pious and actually do pray a lot, go to church a lot etc) are hiding something, and what they are hiding is the fact they are evil people who are doing evil shit.
Evil people do it for 2 reasons. It's a good mask, a good disguise. The pretense of "holiness" covering up evil. But also, the evil person feels what is the worst than can happen? Someone might think I am not really that holy? OK, then I will be seen as just normal. They feel by hiding behind this mask, they are untouchable, they will never be exposed for what they are.
Im so sick of talking about DAvey. He's just another closet homo who didn't want his wife to feel desirable, because he wanted to feel desired by men. It disgusts me. He destroyed her joy of being a woman, and on top of it, couldn't even just man up as a gay and give her some pleasure, he had to try to kill her sexuality with his sodomy rape jokes. I hate that piece of shit Davey. He's not even a normal gay guy. I like sensitive masculine gay men, not the ones who run around and act silly and wear skinny jeans and take gay selfies with other men. I have one gay male friend who is awesome. He is manly and does masculine stuff, very kind and sweet person. I cannot stand these gay guys who are in love with themselves and act goofy and take faggy selfies with other men.
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