Friday, July 6, 2018

Statement Analysis: Catherine Marie Public Post


Analysts and investigators who routinely work sexual assault statements begin to build an inner database of the language of victims and the language of false claims. 

Male analysts, after much exposure, begin to assimilate self into statements and are often able to see the world through the eyes of a female victim where 50% or more of the population is physically stronger than the subject.  This is an unique and powerful example of "Linguistic Empathy" for the professional analyst and investigator. They begin to grasp how even minor assaults can represent a vulnerability that a male does not sense in life. It is key to grasping language. 

With "hashtag me too" we have seen actual victims and we have seen fraudulent claims. 

In some cases, victims accused of lying have been deemed "veracity indicated", while others have been shown to make a false claim in order to obtain attention in the popular trend. 

Rape Victims

Some believe that the death penalty should apply for unassociated rape. Unassociated rape or "stranger rape" is oft not debated as "he said; she said" debates. 

The impact upon victims is often life time trauma, including the consequences of compromised immune systems in latter years. It is very difficult to quantify. 

The more politicians (and Hollywood elite) have become involved, the less justice is expected. Politicians bring extremes.  A local judge once claimed that it was "impossible for a child to lie" about sexual assault. Some outspoken feminists have claimed that "every woman must be believed" even if it means "a few males are wrongfully imprisoned." 

These examples of injustice  are the result of the suspension of human reason. 

Statement Analysis gets to the truth. It obtains justice for victims, whether the victim is a rape victim, or a victim of a fraudulent claim. 

Oftentimes, analysts are disgusted by findings. They find vile, inappropriate, but non criminal behavior and must always process their own emotions and thinking to avoid bias. 

Rape victims often have their own language and specialized training, particularly for the language of disassociation and trauma, is essential. 

Expectation

Rape victims linguistically commit to the rape.  They say "he raped me" plainly.  For Sex Crimes Units, special training is needed for much discernment, but in all cases, we listen for linguistic commitment due to the inherent intrusive nature of sexual assault. For many, "he raped me" is an actual description of what he did to her. Even in cases of disassociation and adults with developmental disabilities who perseverate on past assault, skillful highly self disciplined analysts are able to discern truth from fabrication. 

The following is a public post in which the author (subject) claims to have been raped, but not to have received justice. The accused has also been heard, claiming to have his life ruined by a fraudulent claim. 

We begin with her post and allow her to tell us, "Alex raped me" and/or connecting "Alex" to what he physically did to her. 

Analytical Question: Does the subject commit to the allegation of sexual assault?

Secondary questions:

What is her priority?

What does her language indicate about her background, experiences, and her dominant personality traits?

Post your analysis in the comments section for review. 



Catherine Marie

**This can be triggering to read so keep that in mind as you read on.
I want to open this post with a recognition. A recognition of all survivors of assault and rape who have felt the need to stay quiet. To stay quiet for the feeling that no one would believe them, to stay quiet for the feeling that for your loved ones it would be too much, to stay quiet for the feeling that once it is out you will not be looked at the same, to stay quiet for the feeling that you might have given the impression that you wanted it, and to stay quiet for the feeling that you could have done something differently to stop it. This is for me, and this is for you. 

During the early hours of April 23, 2017 I was raped and sodomized. I woke up in Delta Kappa Epsilon Fraternity in Alex Goldman’s bed confused, bloody, bruised, with ripped clothing and splinter. I went to the police only to be asked if I had ever engaged in rough sex prior to my rape, and my friend to be asked if I slept around. I never slept around, in fact, I have never had a one night stand in my life. Not that that should matter, as rape is an act of violence-not sex. 

This process of reporting this has been horrible, not only did Alex Goldman expose me to his own evils but also to the injustices in this world. I spent 6 months being deceived and ignored by law enforcement. I spent 6 months trying to a work a system that is supposed to work for me. I spent 6 months trying to fix a “flawed” system only to realize it is broken entirely. I have spent my life feeling “protected”, feeling safe and feeling confident in my country’s justice system only to find out it was all a lie. 
ADA Maureen Barry ( https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureen-barry-3b727322/ ),an SU alum who was at one point apparently on my case, took her time to write a SIX page response to Alex Goldman’s lawyer stating that I was not raped by criminal standards and that she was not positive that my clothing was bloody, when it in fact was. She wrote this for Alex's lawyer to use against me in my University case against him. Despite her disgusting and inconceivable efforts to help Alex Goldman get away with my rape he was still expelled, as criminal burden of proof is much higher than that of a university.
Besides taking my own sense of security that night, Alex Goldman’s actions have exposed me to the true injustices in our “justice” system. I feel scared knowing that it is 2018 and women are in no means protected by our government. Knowing that women are still viewed more for the purpose of their body parts than the words of their hearts, of their souls.
Once I informed Detective Michael Bates from the "Abused Persons Unit" of Syracuse Police Department, for a third time, that I had been sodomized, the attitude with which he regarded my case changed. He even tried to tell me I never made him aware of the sodomy- only I had, he just clearly wasn’t listening. While I was happy with his change of attitude towards the seriousness of my case, I couldn’t help but be enraged by what his change of attitude had meant for me as well as for the women of America. That a rape allegation was only being taken more seriously because it was accompanied by sodomy? Penetration without consent should be wrong whether it was done to my vagina or anus, or both. Rape should not be dismissed because it was done to a sex organ, rather than a place of waste. 
We say it's our society’s attitude that feeds the rape culture in America. But our own legal system encourages it by making such biased assumptions and preconceived notions. By believing that the function of woman’s vagina speaks louder than her voice.
By assuming that my injuries were a product of having a vagina and not a product of rape. 
But injuries to my anus, and it not being a sex organ, must mean that I did not want what was done to me. Why do the biological functions of my body speak more than my own voice does? However, once a body part not made for sex is involved, automatically it must have been nonconsensual? As if my body’s role in sex makes me incapable of not wanting it to be penetrated. I thought women and men were equal and now I see we clearly aren’t. I thought in 2017/2018 people were given rights based off being human, not based off their gender. I no longer feel the same sense of security and comfort that I once felt in this world. 
And as impossible as it is to try to see any positive in this assault, I try to remind myself that in this very dark and ugly event there is light and hope, for me and for others. Since the days after the assault I have been faced with choices. The choice to resist accepting this as my new reality. Or the choice to fight like hell. 
To fight him, to fight my own internal denial, and to fight a system that was so clearly broken. To take back the power he so viciously took from me. To take action out of respect for myself and out of responsibility for all those who he will attack after me. I knew if I wasn’t able to fight for myself that I would then have to at least fight for the others that would come after me.
People don’t wake up one day and randomly decide they are going to violently rape and sodomize someone.
I won't allow him to damage someone else just as he did to me. Even though I will never get back what I lost that night, at least I can prevent others from having to endure his cruel and demeaning violence. Because being able to do that makes the fight that I have been fighting for these past 13 months worth it.
My motive is to try to stop him from ruining another person’s life, as this will not be the last time. 
He is a predator.
He didn’t have to rape and sodomize me.�He didn’t have to do any of this. 
This is more than just seeking justice; this is seeking prevention. 
I completed an entire two semesters at the school where my rapist was expelled from, one of which he was there for, but to this day he continues to walk free. My rapist has an internship with Bohler Engineering (which he has now been terminated from, as of June 5th ) and will be graduating from a different college, New Jersey Institute of Technology. I have had multiple individuals that have approached me, expressed their knowledge of Alex Goldman's track record.
Alex Goldman is a rapist. I write this post because this is not the first time Alex Goldman has raped someone and I want to make sure that it is the last. With the condition that he left me in, I am afraid for his potential victims. While I am proud to say I got my rapist expelled from Syracuse University, on November 15, 2017, he now attends New Jersey Institute of Technology where he is on track for graduation. Clearly my school officials saw something wrong enough with him to remove him permanently from my university, however, our law enforcement continues to allow him to walk the streets. While I tried doing this "the systematic way", this monster is free and should be behind bars.
To all of his fraternity brothers who lied during my process and turned a blind eye 
over the past years to Alex’s behavior you should be ashamed and disgusted with yourselves. 
NJIT
NJIT - Newark College of Engineering
Syracuse Police Department

97 comments:

Anonymous said...

Her first paragraph is a disclaimer about what she is about to write about a "rape." She doesn't really ever say anything about rape other than in her next paragraph and mentioning body parts and usage further down. Her writing in this paragraph seems targeted at aligning herself with rape victims to persuade readers.

Her second paragraph is interesting. She says "I was raped and sodomized." She lists both rape and sodomy as if they are different items in the alleged rape. Further down in the reading, it becomes clear why she perhaps lists both items, because she was told by the detective, she never mentioned sodomy in her prior statement. I find it interesting she lists both with no other adjectives, when just a moment later she writes specifically, in more detail, about waking up in "Alex Goldman’s bed confused, bloody, bruised, with ripped clothing and splinter." Why the sudden descriptiveness about waking up? I don't know... maybe because she was unaware of the rape and sodomy until she woke up?

She goes on, as you said, to mention how she feels she has been untreated fairly by law enforcement. She makes a bigger deal in these paragraphs about sodomy and asks herself (?) descriptive questions about sodomy.

The statement that "Alex G is a rapist" is her most strong statement in the letter (IMHO). She also accuses him of raping others, but doesn't discuss seeking out LE about this claim. She makes a weak statement that "others" have come to her with accusations about Alex. This is also weak. "Others" is inclusive, as if she is trying to persuade readers.

She says a few things including speaking on behalf of "woman of America" and other comments where she is more concerned with persuasion and aligning herself with readers or victims.

I'm not familiar with how rape victims speak, but she seems very focused on everyone and everything but the actual rape.

GetThem

Michele said...

She doesn't begin with "I". She starts with a description of time. She never says "Alex G raped me." She does say he exposed her to "own evils but also to the injustices in this world." But that is not rape.

Unknown said...

She uses the phrase "my rape". Why is she taking possession of it? If I were mugged or assaulted, I wouldn't call it "my mugging" or "my assault". It's not mine. It happened to me but I don't want it.

The following violates Law of Economy and the lack of needed pronouns indicates she's lying here.

"I have had multiple individuals that have approached me, expressed their knowledge of Alex Goldman's track record."

Unknown said...

She never described the actual assault – is this because she was drugged and does not remember? BUT, then she uses the word “attack”. Which is it? Did this happen while you were asleep from being drugged or did he “attack” you?

rjb said...

"During the early hours of April 23, 2017 I was raped and sodomized. I woke up in Delta Kappa Epsilon Fraternity in Alex Goldman’s bed confused, bloody, bruised, with ripped clothing and splinter." The implication is that because she woke up in his bed following the alleged assault, he was the perpetrator but neither here nor later in her statement does she actually say, "Alex raped and sodomised me."

Her statement reads as a political manifesto more than anything else. She devotes very little space to the alleged assault, focusing mainly on how she was treated by law enforcement and how that made her feel. She views getting her accused rapist expelled from school as a victory and believes that she is a crusader. I bet she overuses "#metoo."

Unknown said...

"During the early hours..."

Why is this relevant? Shes a bad writer so what scene is she attempting to draw for us? She later says "that night" which is not consistent with "early hours".

Ursula said...

This statement is 1320 words.
Introduction: 131 words
setting the stage for the assault and assault: 92 words
post assault: 1097 words

The formula for a reliable information should have been approximately:

setting the stage for the assault: 330 words
assault: 660 words
post event: 330 words

“This can be triggering to read so keep that in mind as you read on” sounds useful to create a suspence. Why should she need to create a suspence?

“I want to open this post with a recognition. A recognition of all survivors of assault and rape who have felt the need to stay quiet. To stay quiet for the feeling that no one would believe them, to stay quiet for the feeling that for your loved ones it would be too much, to stay quiet for the feeling that once it is out you will not be looked at the same, to stay quiet for the feeling that you might have given the impression that you wanted it, and to stay quiet for the feeling that you could have done something differently to stop it. This is for me, and this is for you”, this introduction is a concern because it sounds self promotion through a victim status.


“During the early hours of April 23, 2017 I was raped and sodomized. I woke up in Delta Kappa Epsilon Fraternity in Alex Goldman’s bed confused, bloody, bruised, with ripped clothing and splinter. I went to the police only to be asked if I had ever engaged in rough sex prior to my rape, and my friend to be asked if I slept around. I never slept around, in fact, I have never had a one night stand in my life. Not that that should matter, as rape is an act of violence-not sex”.

“I was raped and sodomized” is reliable. What is concerning is that she says that she “woke up” after “I was raped and sodomized”.

The use of “my” about the “rape” and “I have never had a one night stand in my life” are also concerning. Did she never had a one night stand in her life until April 23, 2017?

“This process of reporting this has been horrible” not the “rape” but the “process of reporting” has been horrible…

ursula said...

When she says "I was raped and sodomized" she doesnt say by who. This is passive.

ima.grandma said...

Revenge via public humiliation is her priority. These are her victims:
Delta Kappa Epsilon Fraternity
Syracuse University
Alex Goldman
“my friend”
Law Enforcement
Legal/Justice System
ADA Maureen Barry
Detective Michael Bate
Syracuse Police Department
Bohler Engineering
New Jersey Institute of Technology
America

ima.grandma said...

Benefits received:
Social validation
Adoration
Martyrdom
Insertion into #metoo
Name recognition
Internal ego self-satisfaction
Bonding to women all-inclusively

“...at least I can prevent others from having to endure his cruel and demeaning violence.”
Is her Facebook post her method of prevention? What other methods are available and viable?
...
“While I tried doing this "the systematic way", this monster is free and should be behind bars.”
Is this statement her true motive? By not directly asking for help in criminal conviction in her own alleged rapist, martyrdom allows her to solicit other women in continuing her legal battle as if the idea to do so was by their own volition.

ima.grandma said...

Tim, I’m interested in your comment. Everyone has agenda. Peter does, I do, you do. I’m curious since you state there is “so little truth”, which of Peter’s statements do you find to be truthful?

Lucia D said...

There are indications of deception here. The subject implies many things without actually stating them. She wishes us to make the jump to assume certain things.. For example she implies that she was drunk or drugged, but doesn't say so. We cannot say it for her. If she were incapable of rendering consent why does she only imply it and not state so? I don't find linguistic commitment from her.

She uses passive voice many times. She uses lots of hyperbole which seems a need to persuade. She reliably states "I spent 6 months trying to work a system..." I believe her. I get the feeling she was trying to work the system to wreak revenge on the accused. I don't think a real victim would word their efforts to obtain a rightful conviction that way!

She clearly has lots of anger toward the accused, and would like to ruin him. But she doesn't reliably report a rape. Probably this young woman felt used or discarded by him, and that "enraged" her.

I look forward to Peter's analysis.

ima.grandma said...

"I was raped and sodomized"

Passive voice is when the subject of the sentence is being acted upon.
Active voice is when the subject of the sentence is performing/causing the action.

Anyone have thoughts as to how one could reword the sentence to reverse the voice? I don’t.

ima.grandma said...

Anonymous @3:44, 3:48, 3:52, 3:56, 3:59, 4:03, 4:27, 4:33, the 1000’s of past posts, the future posts into infinity...
I wish you would find a secure therapeutic environment to better comprehend what motivates and causes you to act and think in the way that you do. Serving as a disruptive medium searching for a space to flourish in this blog is a massive fail.

Bobcat said...

Does the subject commit to the allegation of sexual assault?

No.

She states "With the condition that he left me in, I am afraid for his potential victims"

How does she define ‘rape’ in the context of a frat house early morning encounter?
How does she define criminal rape?
How does she define date rape?
How does she define role play rape?
How does she define consensual sex with a one night stand that ends up rougher/scarier than expected?
What would she consider rape after an encounter in which no safe word had been established?
What would she consider rape after a consensual encounter in which the parties barely knew each other and did not set ground rules?
How does she define nonconsensual rape vs. consensual rough sex vs. consensual bad sex?

What is her priority?

Her priority is to share her experience, to ingratiate herself and belong to the sisterhood of survivors of assault and rape. To gain attention and expose Alex Goldman for rejecting her after using her and leaving her in his bed alone. She wants to destroy Alex Goldman.

What does her language indicate about her background, experiences, and her dominant personality traits?

She is intelligent, spoiled, and deceptive.
She expects people to take care of things for her.
She expects to be believed and to be able to make the system work for her benefit.
She is surprised at not being babied by law enforcement, considering them to have an “attitude”.

She is incongruous, writing about Alex Goldman exposing her, yet she continues to expose herself for attention.

ima.grandma said...

Hi Bobcat. Yes, inquiring minds want to know. Good questions and observations.

Personal pronoun use (I): Reliable?

I woke up in Delta Kappa Epsilon Fraternity in Alex Goldman’s bed confused, bloody, bruised, with ripped clothing and splinter.

I went to the police only to be asked if I had ever engaged in rough sex prior to my rape, and my friend to be asked if I slept around.

I spent 6 months being deceived and ignored by law enforcement.
I spent 6 months trying to a work a system that is supposed to work for me.
I spent 6 months trying to fix a “flawed” system only to realize it is broken entirely.

I have spent my life feeling “protected”, feeling safe and feeling confident in my country’s justice system only to find out it was all a lie. 

I feel scared knowing that it is 2018 and women are in no means protected by our government.

Once I informed Detective Michael Bates from the "Abused Persons Unit" of Syracuse Police Department, for a third time, that I had been sodomized, the attitude with which he regarded my case changed.

While I was happy with his change of attitude towards the seriousness of my case, I couldn’t help but be enraged by what his change of attitude had meant for me as well as for the women of America.

I thought in 2017/2018 people were given rights based off being human, not based off their gender. I no longer feel the same sense of security and comfort that I once felt in this world. 

I try to remind myself that in this very dark and ugly event there is light and hope, for me and for others. Since the days after the assault I have been faced with choices.

I won't allow him to damage someone else just as he did to me. Even though I will never get back what I lost that night, at least I can prevent others from having to endure his cruel and demeaning violence.

I completed an entire two semesters at the school where my rapist was expelled from, one of which he was there for, but to this day he continues to walk free.

I have had multiple individuals that have approached me, expressed their knowledge of Alex Goldman's track record.

I write this post because this is not the first time Alex Goldman has raped someone and I want to make sure that it is the last.

I am afraid for his potential victims. While I am proud to say I got my rapist expelled from Syracuse University, on November 15, 2017,

While I tried doing this "the systematic way", this monster is free and should be behind bars.

Lucia D said...

As for dominant personality traits I would add emotional, manipulative, vengeful, and entitled.

ima.grandma said...

One of her most dominant personality adjectives she indirectly uses to describe herself is virtuous. She manipulates the reader using this projected mechanism into convincing others she is deserving of “knights in shining armor”. Gender does not apply.

Lucia D said...

How about "Alex Goldman raped and sodomized me."

Leila said...

Peter, Is there a minimum IQ required to participate here? Im looking to engage with individuals who have basic knowledge across a broad array of subject matter.

Chris said...

This letter came from a college student, but it is rife with incomplete and ungrammatical sentences. Therefore, the first thing that I noticed was the author's need to persuade.
Her style of writing interfered with my ability to believe the content.

Deannah said...

Peter, I think she is lying because she wouldnt have said "I was....". It would have been said much more direct. Am I catching on?

ima.grandma said...

Lucia, I agree the statement worded that way indicates veracity. I was trying to rearrange the words to retain the pronoun “I”.

Dave Walton said...

A few brief observations:

The statement begins with the assertion “this can be triggering” shortly followed by a “want”... with a “recognition of all survivors of assault and rape.” Note “assault” is being placed before “rape” here showing priority of order in the subjects mind. “Recognition” is repeated thus making it sensitive to the subject. A priority of the subject is to share being a victim with other victims; the “assault” and “rape” claim is drawing on strength from other victims in an attempt to strengthen her own claim.

The statement did not read “...Alex Goldman expose me to his evils...” it said “...Alex Goldman expose me to his OWN evils.” There seems to be a comparison going on in the mind of the subject, between Alex’s “evils” and someone else’s: the subject’s?

Change of language: all throughout the statement the subjects speaks of “rape” but then we see a change of language with “this assault” in just one paragraph; this ties in with the priority in the opening paragraph where assault is mentioned before rape. We see a change from “my rape” to “this assault” and then “the assault”. The sentence starts with “And” indicating missing information.

"And as impossible as it is to try to see any positive in this assault, I try to remind myself that in this very dark and ugly event there is light and hope, for me and for others. Since the days after the assault I have been faced with choices. The choice to resist accepting this as my new reality. Or the choice to fight like hell."

LisaB said...

Twice she referred to his "track record" causing me to wonder if he is an athlete, specifically in track and field... And how that plays a part.

I can not help but notice that she alternates between waking up and realizing she had been assaulted but had no memory of the attack, and referring to the rape as a violent event, which would require remembering it.

She admits she spent months trying to work the system.

And the big one, the use of the phrase "my rape".

Why does she take ownership of HIS (choice to) rape. Unless she fabricated it, of course, at which point, it is all hers.

Hey Jude said...

Analytical Question: Does the subject commit to the allegation of sexual assault?

The subject does not commit to the allegation of sexual assault by Alex Goldman, rather she writes: “During the early hours of April 23, 2017 I was raped and sodomized.” She goes on to say “I woke up in Delta Kappa Epsilon Fraternity in Alex Goldman’s bed confused, bloody, bruised, with ripped clothing and splinter”, in which she creates the impression that Alex Goldman raped her, rather than name him directly.

Alex Goldman is not present in her account of what happened.
Her account of what happened does not include that she was raped by Alex Goldman.
If she has no memory of the alleged rape, it is surprising that she does not say she has no memory. If she can’t say she was raped by Alex Goldman, I can't say it for her.

She names him several times, yet continues to avoid saying that he raped her.

“Alex Goldman expose me to his own evils but also to the injustices in this world.”
“Besides taking my own sense of security that night, Alex Goldman’s actions have exposed me to the true injustices in our “justice” system.”
“Alex Goldman is a rapist.”
“With the condition that he left me in, I am afraid for his potential victims.”


Secondary questions:

What is her priority?
Her priority is to ruin Alex Goldman. Her pretext is to gain recognition and to promote herself as a spokesperson for those who have stayed quiet “for feeling”. Her opening paragraph is self-contradictory as she did not stay quiet. She woke up in Alex Goldman’s bed, confused, and by the next sentence she had gone to the police "only" to be asked if she had ever engaged in rough sex. Is that really the only reason she went, or is it just an unfortunate turn of phrase?

She spent six months ‘being deceived and ignored’ by law enforcement, six months ‘trying to work a system" that is supposed to work for her, six months trying to fix a “flawed” system only to realise it is broken entirely. She wants recognition for herself and for others for keeping quiet - in six months following the alleged rape she did not “keep quiet”.


What does her language indicate about her background, experiences, and her dominant personality traits?

“…not only did Alex Goldman expose me to his own evils but also to the injustices in this world.” She had no experience of “the injustices in this world” before her allegation of rape was not believed, or not taken seriously enough.

What are the injustices to which she has been exposed?

“I spent 6 months being deceived and ignored by law enforcement. I spent 6 months trying to a work a system that is supposed to work for me. I spent 6 months trying to fix a “flawed” system only to realize it is broken entirely. I have spent my life feeling “protected”, feeling safe and feeling confident in my country’s justice system only to find out it was all a lie.”

She was “deceived and ignored” by law enforcement.
She spent six months trying to work a system that is supposed to work for her.
She realises the “flawed” system is broken entirely.
She has spent her life feeling “protected”

Hey Jude said...

Feeling safe and feeling confident in her country’s justice system only to find out it was all a lie.

She claims to have been deceived and ignored by law enforcement despite she has felt safe, confident, and protected by the same, and by the justice system all her life; she was not satisfied with the response to her allegation, therefore it is now all a lie.

She believes that the system exists to work for her, rather than for justice, ‘without fear or favour’.

“...an SU alum who was at one point apparently on my case, took her time to write a SIX page response to Alex Goldman’s lawyer stating that I was not raped by criminal standards and that she was not positive that my clothing was bloody, when it in fact was.”

She resents that someone took their time to write a SIX page response for Alex Goldman’s lawyer - that he was being taken seriously.

“Besides taking my own sense of security that night, Alex Goldman’s actions have exposed me to the true injustices in our “justice” system. I feel scared knowing that it is 2018 and women are in no means protected by our government.”

Here, again, she does not accuse Alex Goldman of rape, rather blames him that she is not satisfied with the justice system. She numbers herself amongst women in general, which is to hide in a crowd, and to call for reinforcement.

“Once I informed Detective Michael Bates from the "Abused Persons Unit" of Syracuse Police Department, for a third time, that I had been sodomized, the attitude with which he regarded my case changed. He even tried to tell me I never made him aware of the sodomy- only I had, he just clearly wasn’t listening. While I was happy with his change of attitude towards the seriousness of my case, I couldn’t help but be enraged by what his change of attitude had meant for me as well as for the women of America”

“Once” she informed him “for the third time”. She said once first. He ‘clearly wasn’t listening’ - need to persuade.
She was happy with his change of attitude towards the seriousness of her case.
“The seriousness of her case” - she still does not say that she was raped by Alex Goldman.

“That a rape allegation was only being taken more seriously because it was accompanied by sodomy?” She appears not to consider sodomy rape, but an accompaniment to rape. It sounds as if sodomy did not form part of her original rape allegation.

(to resume later)

Hey Jude said...

So far, her attitude is of entitlement and of disrespect for authority when she is thwarted. I haven't counted how many times "feeling" and "feel" occurs.

Peter Hyatt said...

A Mod said there was an angry leftist anonymous poster saying I was using “incorrect psychobabble.”

Hence I resolve to use correct psychobabble moving forward.

Peter

ima.grandma said...

Did I tell him to get off of me? I don’t remember. I don’t think I did. Maybe I did. I hope I did. I was telling him to stop, something is wrong, it doesn’t feel right. What are you doing? You are lying on top of me while I’m laying down. Why are you lying on me? I feel your beard and your breath. I don’t like it. I feel something hard behind me. You are behind me. What is that? Why don’t you stop? Please get up. Why don’t you understand how I’m feeling? Get off of me!

habundia said...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5910215/Radical-Islamist-preacher-expert-witness-UK-courts.html

If it isn't his 'current view'....how can he claim he only believes in Allah's law and not democracy because it can change laws.....by saying 'it's not his current view" isn't he then not exactly doing that. .....change 'law' his law of only believing in Allah's law?
As I see it this is a dangerous man and should not be trusted.....but that's just my opinion.

Lucia D said...

That will be appreciated. Did you mean to say "And hence"?

Hey Jude said...

“I feel scared knowing that it is 2018 and women are in no means protected by our government. Knowing that women are still viewed more for the purpose of their body parts than the words of their hearts, of their souls.”

She makes many claims which are non-sensical - it’s evident that she has been influenced by extreme feminists or their literature.

“Penetration without consent should be wrong whether it was done to my vagina or anus, or both. Rape should not be dismissed because it was done to a sex organ, rather than a place of waste.”

Rape is done to a person, and is recognised to be wrong, for which reason it is illegal, and not dismissed. Is this some kind of dissociation, or does she not understand that rape is more than an assault on “a sex organ” or “place of waste”? I don’t understand what she is *not* saying about rape here.

“By believing that the function of woman’s vagina speaks louder than her voice.”
She has some strange beliefs, and also attributes them to others.

“We say it’s our society’s attitude that feeds the rape culture”- she has bought into the myth of “rape culture”, which was created by, and is fed by extreme forms of feminism.

“By assuming that my injuries were a product of having a vagina and not a product of rape.”

I’m lost - what is she saying?

“But injuries to my anus, and it not being a sex organ, must mean that I did not want what was done to me. Why do the biological functions of my body speak more than my own voice does?

Hey Jude said...

However, once a body part not made for sex is involved, automatically it must have been nonconsensual?”

“Once a body part not made for sex is involved” - there is that “once” again. She added the allegation of sodomy later. She also questions herself on whether ‘it’ was non consensual - what is ‘it’, if sodomy was not part of the original allegation? She seems confused.

She writes a lot about her bodily parts and biological functions - I don’t know what that might signify - it seems out of the norm, that she lacks natural restraint. She seems to see herself as not connected to her body - in her thinking, a body part was raped, rather than herself, the whole person.

“I thought women and men were equal and now I see we clearly aren’t. I thought in 2017/2018 people were given rights based off being human, not based off their gender. I no longer feel the same sense of security and comfort that I once felt in this world.” 

She has no sense of what should be Alex Goldman’s right to not be publicly accused of rape and sodomy outside of the process of law. She is using the language of rights and discrimination, as though it adds weight to her case and justifies her narrative.

She sermonises, as though volume is a substitute for describing the event, and as if creating a cause and enjoining it to women in general, validates its existence.

“Since the days after the assault I have been faced with choices.”
The need to make choices sounds unfamiliar to her. We all make choices, unless there is no choice available, or unless we always get our own way. Because of her extreme reaction to Alex

Hey Jude said...

Goldman not being prosecuted, she is most likely accustomed to getting her own way.



Fighting language. She has been faced with the choice to fight her own internal denial. Denial of what? This, with her earlier self-questioning of whether ‘it’ was consensual, and her belief in reality as being a choice which can be resisted, seems a struggle of conscience, which she has lost.

“People don’t wake up one day and randomly decide they are going to violently rape and sodomize someone.”

Alex Goldman might think he has been so victimised, albeit metaphorically. It is a strange pronouncement.

She is very troubled, and her behaviour is vindictive. All she can say with certainty is that she woke in Alex Goldman’s bed, confused. There does not appear evidence to support that she was raped - she has not stated that Alex Goldman raped her. Her feelings override all other considerations. She is controlling, as evidenced in her belief that she could “fix” the justice system to work in her favour, rather than impartially, without fear or favour.
She believes that she can and should control the narrative in regard to Alex Goldman, without regard to due process. Her personality traits - assuming, entitled, dishonest, given to slander, lacking in the right type of self-awareness, reckless, governed by feelings.
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This reminds me of the case wherein a former West Point cadet accused a Colonel of historic rape just as he was about to be promoted to Brigadier.

Hey Jude said...

Correction:

"...rather than impartially, without fear or favour. "

Should read:

"...rather than it should work impartially, without fear or favour."

General P. Malaise said...

Priority is author’s “triggering”, something in the authors reality has brought her to write this. Rape or sexual assault is not her priority. “a recognition” is stated 2 times after the opening sentence. Likely her priority involves recognition and this has been her “triggering” and most likely her reason for writing this statement.

In the first paragraph she repeats “stay quiet” 6 times. She repeats “feelings” 5 times and “felt” once.

This person is emotionally driven. Emotional people often have difficulty allowing logic to balance their emotions.

The form of the statement is not consistent with a reliably true narrative. It is difficult to even count the breaks pre/event/post as the event is not broken out as a separate part and could be said that the event was not recorded in this statement. If anything, it starts post event. Basically, going from preamble to post event.


" ... During the early hours of April 23, 2017 I was raped and sodomized. I woke up in Delta Kappa Epsilon Fraternity in Alex Goldman’s bed confused, bloody, bruised, with ripped clothing and splinter. I went to the police only to be asked if I had ever engaged in rough sex prior to my rape, and my friend to be asked if I slept around. I never slept around, in fact, I have never had a one night stand in my life. Not that that should matter, as rape is an act of violence-not sex...."


She states she “woke up” in Alex Goldman’s bed. She does not say he raped her or sodomized her. This is passive language and is often used to hide identity and responsibility.
This gives her an out as she can claim “I don’t remember” later. Who would need such an out? Some one deceptive?

“I went to the police only to be asked …” Only is a comparative word and requires a comparison to function properly in a sentence. What else is she thinking as a comparison to rough sex?

She repeats “never” twice. Never is not a reliable denial and is not the same as “no” or “did not”. If she had consensual sex with Alex Goldman then this would have qualified as a one-night stand.

As well as the first paragraph this second paragraph has sermonising element to it. She also repeats the misguided progressive term that rape is not sex. Rape is sex and it can include violence but doesn’t have to.
To be continued.

Cash said...

Guys, veracity of her rape claim aside, she's up front that in what she wrote her purpose is to relate the legal system not acknowledging her claim or reacting to her satisfaction. It is not meant to be a simple reporting of the alleged rape, so trying to see if it fits form with pre, event, and post isn't a valid "test."

If this were her initial statement to police about "what happened," testing the form and percentages would be appropriate.

Cash said...

Personally, I'd flag it but not make a conclusion. In the case you present, I'd wonder why you want to hide the identity of the rapist. She's not hiding identity at all, quite the opposite, so I am surprised she doesn't name him in that first statement. But again, flag it, don't conclude from it alone.

Anonymous said...

Rape is embarrassing. It's not like talking about other crimes. But let's say someone was mugged and they say "I was mugged". Does that mean they are lying bc they used the passive voice? It's so ludicrous, I cant even participate in this discussion.

"I was mugged."
Youre a liar--passive voice!

"I was raped"
"Youre a liar--passive voice!

Utterly ludicrous reasoning & a terrible example of a rape story chosen to use to pull apart chosen above by Peter.

Anonymous said...

Cash, maybe someone does want to hide the identity of their rapist or doesnt know the identity if their rapist (which is my situation).
I was 4 yrs old! I dont know who it was.

Cash said...

Peter Hyatt wrote: "We begin with her post and allow her to tell us, "Alex raped me" and/or connecting "Alex" to what he physically did to her."

Don't miss the "or" in Peter's statement.

Cash said...

Anon- Yes, esactly why I said I'd question it. I did not say I doubted it. That's my point: there may be a reason for passive voice.

Anonymous said...

Cash, OK you are at least explaining & I can respect that.

Anonymous said...

Can someone plz explain this

. A local judge once claimed that it was "impossible for a child to lie" about sexual assault

How can a child lie about sexual assault when they should have no knowledge of anything sexual unless they have actually been molested? And what would a child's motive be to lie about something they should not have any knowledge of?! Way too painful to read this type of thing...it doesnt even make sense.

Lucia D said...

I agree, as analysts we take note of it. And do not conclude deception from one indicator.

Lucia D said...

To Anon at 11:17. Children are susceptible to suggestion. They want to please adults, particularly their parents. A child could lie about sexual assault due to coaching by a parent. Or due to being raised in a sexualized environment, where the child has been exposed to pornography, for example. Or due to improper questioning by Child Protection "professionals" . It happens. To believe otherwise is shockingly naive.

Anonymous said...

I'd be more interested in her statement soon after the alleged rape. Time has passed, so much stress trying to get justice for herself on a terrible event that obviously she was too drunk or drugged to remember.

It is a college campus and boys will lie for other boys. It is possible she was raped but might not know by whom. And, females will lie for boys, too. Who writes a six page letter for an attorney if they aren't working on a masters? Really now. This wasn't some campus cop thing.

Perhaps she wrote what she did hoping other students may have had the same experience and will join her cause against their "Evil he owns" person.

He's done something else or he wouldn't have been expelled. If they didn't believe her, they didn't expel him because she caused a scene.

This is a heat seeking post.

It's easy enough to know if clothing is bloody......just look at it.
Surely she kept her clothing.

Hey Jude said...

What bothers me about this, besides her naming Alex Goldman as a rapist, is she is so self-contradictory about keeping quiet, and aligning herself with victims - though there is no "we" in regard to them - when she obviously did not keep quiet. She does use "voice" twice, and having a voice, or not having had a voice, and being heard are common themes amongst sexual abuse victims. Her anger seems out of proportion for what she doesn't say happened.

Is it possible she is perseverating?

Or, in addition to the "rape culture" literature, has she been reading lots of #metoo posts, and picked up on the sort of things some others have been saying? It reads like the beginnings of a manifesto. It doesn't read true, but is there something true in there, but not what she claims?

She said she felt safe and protected all her life, until the police didn't take her seriously enough - I don't think that corresponds with having been a victim of rape or other abuse in her earlier life.

TimA said...

She commits to being raped, but not to Alex Goldman having done it. Does she not remember how she got in his room? How did she get to the dorms in the first place? Was there a party? Was she drugged? And yet when she is asked about her sexual background she didn't cooperate.

Her priority in the majority of the statement is to create distrust of police, and to harass Alex Goldman. She even justifies her statement that Alex is a rapist by saying that other women told her he had raped them.

As for her dominant personality, I think there's a good chance she went to the frat looking for sex. I base this off of her (1) inclusion of a trigger warning, (2) anger at being asked about sexual history, (3) saying it doesn't matter if she was looking for a one night stand, (4) focusing on a realization of injury instead of an act of rape, (5) multiple mentions of consent, (6) admitting to fighting her own internal denial.

habundia said...

Someone was saying there need to come a 'list of false accusations.'
Here is a timeline of some cases
https://www.infotextmanuscripts.org/falserape/a-false-rape-timeline.html

Schmagoogity said...

To everyone presuming deception because of the phrasing 'my rape':

Rape is *personal*.

'Claiming' such a profoundly personal violation is not in and of itself inconsistent with veracity.

MP said...

Her priority is recognition for silent victims, and "this is for" them.

"This post" should be a first person account of what happened to her,

Her framing suggests a fictitious intent or at least a focus that we would not expect, this should be about her first, not a bunch of other people. She was allegedly raped, after all, it was very personal.

She portrays self as courageous to speak out while others felt the need to be silent.
She feels no such need to be silent, and on the contrary will speak for many others.

If instead of giving an account of what happened, for example, with my abusive husband, if I started to go on about all the other abused women everywhere, i would be using them to bolster my credibility, I'd not be alone in my allegations, I wonder if that is what she is doing here.

ima.grandma said...

Re: “my rape”. I read the article twice word for word and believed several of her statements. The third time around, I began to discover deceptive trends when reviewing her statement as an entity. I didn’t flag “my rape” as a key underlying element deducing fiction. Rape is very personal. Who else could own the rape besides the rapist? Two or more people must be involved in a rape scenario. I could not rape myself, else it becomes an oxymoron. When she voices “my rape”, I believe she has been raped. How, when, where and by whom she’s been raped are my questions.

ima.grandma said...

Clarification: I believe she believes she has been raped.

ima.grandma said...

habundia, thanks for the link. It is a very interesting compilation. I’ve yet to study it. I expect the unexpected while doing so.

Peter Hyatt said...

It’s time/processing dependent.

Be cautious of generalizing in sexual assault cases. They are complex.

Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

An important line in her statement is regarding sex and violence.

Highlight it.

It’s viral in understanding the overall statement and the introduction.

Peter.

habundia said...

YW ima.grandma.....I only read a little of it came on it while looking for false rape claims....wanted to look up if their have been people prosecuted for false rape allegations. I haven't found one yet....but maybe this link gives some examples.

To those who assume that deceptive statements are being based on one single word or sentence are not being realistic. No respectable analyst will conclude deception from only one word. They will note it and take it along analysing the whole statement.
It's when a cluster of receptivity is shown that a conclusion is made...not from just one word. If thinking this is true then you have non clue on how statement analysis is being conducted.....Peter gives enough lessons to learn from....my advice would be.....use it. It's very educational and extended....not based on a single word

habundia said...

Receptivity must be deception

Bobcat said...

"An important line in her statement is regarding sex and violence."

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This reminds me somewhat of the Schneiderman story, of a carefree consensual sex encounter crossing a line when one gives a playful swat but receives something more forceful.

For the now-victim, the line has been crossed. The swat is now a slap or a smack which leaves a mark. Unless fight club ground rules were discussed ahead of time, it is now an assault.

The assault may have been forgiven as wild passion if the forceful giver had stayed for afterglow and proferred ice for any bruises or sore spots.

The receiver who was left unattended in bed after the encounter, has now wrapped the assault (which resulted in the giver's expulsion), in the context of consensual sex, into the #metoo rape culture.

Bobcat said...

I think she doesn't want to expose her willing participation, preferring to philosophize about body parts, but she needs to be clear about what happened.

Did she fear for her life?

Lucia D said...

" Not that that should matter, as rape is an act of violence- not sex." Is that the important line?

Lucia D said...

Bobcat you may be on the right track. Perhaps she consented to have sex with him, and instead she felt she received "violence". He may have a different idea of how sex should be, what it includes, than she does. It would explain why she leaves out the explanation of how she came to be at the fraternity that night etc.

Bobcat said...

This is why college orientation lectures are very explicit.

Before you start, you should order a sex "pizza".
What do you want on your pizza?
What do you NOT want on your pizza?

You cannot consent if you are not sober.

habundia said...

You can consent when not sober.....sure it can influence your boundaries and your mindset....but you sure can consent.....maybe you regret after and sure it would be wiser not to drink to much.....but not being sober is never an excuse for going along with thing you wouldn't have done when sober.
Many go out cheating after drinking to much.....does that mean all those people didn't consent to it because they weren't sober?

habundia said...

To me she comes across as someone who expected something from him which he didn't apply to and now she is hurt by it, maybe even embarrassed because she let herself being used......whatever he did that hurt her and made her mad there is no excuse for falsely accusing men who didn't do the accusations that are being made.

It's because of woman like that (false rape claims) that real victims keep quite because they think (and often have experienced) they will not be believed.
And because of these false claims people do have difficulty to believe real victims especially when it's someone they think they know and can't believe they are capable of doing what they are accused of.
While claiming to "help others".....she's damaging victims with her accusations which don't seem legit.

Hey Jude said...

"I went to the police only to be asked if I had ever engaged in rough sex prior to my rape, and my friend to be asked if I slept around. I never slept around, in fact, I have never had a one night stand in my life. Not that that should matter, as rape is an act of violence-not sex. "

Here she compounds questions that were asked of her, and of her friend - she addresses the question asked of her friend. She doesn't say how she responded to the question of rough sex. What doesn't matter? One night stands, or whether she had previously had rough sex?

"Not that that should matter, as rape is an act of violence - not sex." Is the sentence including sex and violence. I don't know what it means in relation to the introduction and overall statement.


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I find this very puzzling, too:

"People don’t wake up one day and randomly decide they are going to violently rape and sodomize someone."

Where did that come from? - what does it mean? - why did she say it? Who are 'people'? Why does she choose 'violently rape' rather than 'rape' - she has already stated that "rape is an act of violence"?

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Was she maybe not opposed to rough sex and to anal sex, on her terms? Here she is putting words into the mouth of the detective - and her 'tone' is, I believe indignant, at what she believes is assumed of her. Does she object to what is assumed - that she did not want what was done to her, and that it (anal sex) must have been non-consensual? I'm not saying it does, I am wondering if that is a possibility. Missing, is what 'her voice' was - I don't think she claimed to have been "sodomised" in the original statement.


"By believing that the function of woman’s vagina speaks louder than her voice. By assuming that my injuries were a product of having a vagina and not a product of rape. But injuries to my anus, and it not being a sex organ, must mean that I did not want what was done to me. Why do the biological functions of my body speak more than my own voice does? However, once a body part not made for sex is involved, automatically it must have been nonconsensual?"

Does she truly believe she was raped by Alex Goldman? He had not been prosecuted because there is no evidence to support her claim. She doesn't even place him in his bed with her.


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Is there any connection between these statements?

" I woke up in Delta Kappa Epsilon Fraternity in Alex Goldman’s bed confused, bloody, bruised, with ripped clothing and splinter."

"People don't wake up one day and randomly decide they are going to violently rape and sodomise someone."

Why did she say that - did anyone sugggest that "people" do wake up one day and randomly decide they are going to violently rape and sodomise someone?


habundia said...

"People don't wake up one day and randomly decide they are going to violently rape and sodomise someone"

There are people who do wake up one day and randomly decide they are going to accuse someone of violent rape and sodomizing"

Hey Jude said...

I think she should have explained 'splinter'. I suppose there's still time, as she's so set to continue warning others against him - she's "afraid for his potential victims". Her reason for writing is "because it's not the first he raped" - so she would otherwise have let it go?

".He didn’t have to rape and sodomize me.�He didn’t have to do any of this."

He didn't have to do any of this in order for her to accuse him?



Hey Jude said...

^. Did anyone suggest that he did have to do any of this?

Lucia D said...

I think a University might well expel a student over a rape allegation, even when there is little evidence to support it. Especially after she reported "a rape" to law enforcement, the University would be under tremendous pressure to do something about it. And would be worried about giving an impression of not believing the accuser.

Bobcat said...

You can consent when not sober, but you run the risk of being falsely accused of rape if your partner doesn't remember consenting after they sober up. That was a repeated point made by the dean of students at my son's college orientation.

habundia said...

That's why we have phones with cameras these days......lol
If you tape the question being asked and the answer being given while being in a toxicated but conscious position.....you at least have some proof of consent haha......
That said I think "no memory of consent", is a bad excuse unless there is scientific proof amnesia was present. Or some drug was found that causes unconsciousness. ....in any other case I call it bull shit. .....I've had my time where I had drank that much I needed to crawl on my knees back home......the next day I exactly knew what I had done and what had happened......I was intoxicated. .....but not brainless! (Allthough that could be doubt full....when chosing to drink that amount could be considered brainless haha)

But I guess the dean has experience and its sad he has to say it....but rather safe then sorry.

habundia said...

"I woke up in Delta Kappa Epsilon Fraternity in Alex Goldman’s bed confused, bloody, bruised, with ripped clothing and splinter. I went to the police only to be asked if I had ever engaged in rough sex prior to my rape, and my friend to be asked if I slept around."

Ima.grandma....I wondered too what is meant with 'and splinter'.
"And splinter" (would that be considered passive voice?)

"confused, bloody, bruised, with ripped clothing"

She doesn't say her clothing are bloody, they are ripped.
She woke up bloody and bruised...not that her clothes were bloody.
yet later on she accuses someone of not making 'accurate' description of the state of her clothing...."they were'...when it was said they weren't.

She went to police.
she doesn't say she called a friend, picked up a friend or went with a friend to police...'I went"...yet at the police office her friend is asked questions.
where did this friend come from? No introduction at all...just a friend (yet a friend who goes with her to police)

Someone responded with 'my rape' being 'okay' to say because it is personal. Yes being raped is personal...but a victim owning up their own rape...seems as a victim of sexual abuse an very odd thing to say.
I would never say "my sexual abuse"....first of all I never wanted it to happen and so it will never be 'mine'....it will always be his abuse to me...or I am being abused....but never 'my abuse'....by calling it "my rape' gives it kind of 'proudness' to it. One doesn't own up to things they aren't proud of when done by others.

She does uses 'my' quite a lot throughout her post.....'my countries justice system'..'.my University case'....'my university' (as if she's the only one attending that university and owns it)

"Why do the biological functions of my body speak more than my own voice does?"

Why did the psychological examination 'spoke' a different 'voice' then her own voice?

"and to fight a system that was so clearly broken."
A system that didn't 'work for her'....that was broken....it isn't anymore?
Was it broken because her claim wasn't taken for granted what she would have expected......she's a woman who claims to be raped.....yet to me she has says nothing about what happened before or after waking up...except going to police and claiming to be raped and sodomized.

Her priority is being a voice for victims of rape, not being a victim of rape herself.
She accused her father of sexual abuse, yet nothing suggest this happened. It would be interesting to know how her relationship with her father has been and is....it could bring light as to why she accused this colleague student of her.

Just as she claims nobody one day decides to go rape and sodomize....the same counts for one deciding to make false accusations.....there is always a reason...and doesn't appear from a vacuum.

Lucia D said...

Given her opening paragraph, she shows a priority of gaining recognition and admiration for speaking out about being a rape victim. Because I don't believe she reliably reports being raped, I would argue she is attempting "to steal" recognition and admiration she has not earned.

Hey Jude said...

She calls him "Alex" twice - wouldn't the more distancing "Goldman" be more expected if she is going to shorten his name?

Schmagoogity said...

Peter,

Thank you for your response.

I was surprised at the number of posts considering the phrasing 'my rape' to be indicative of deception, so I attempted to contribute to the discussion by pointing out that it isn't necessarily so.

I didn't consider that to be generalising. Are you referring to this, or my statement that "Rape is personal"?

Thank you in advance for the clarification.



Peter Hyatt said...

My response was not personal to you, but in general.

“My rape” must be understood in time. She is embracing that shock she has not, linguistically committed to.

This is Statement Analysis “incongruence.”

A rape victim, after years of processing, might take personal ownership of it with “my rape, my rapist, my nightmare” and so on.

Due to the intense personal invasive and distinctly sexual nature of rape, it takes much time to get beyond denial; the brain’s natural self preserving reaction.

Here she wants her audience to know her priority and seeks recognition, yet cannot commit to being raped. Simply put, she put herself in a bad position and had a bad male actor. It’s bad, immoral, embarrassing, crude etc: but police were right.

She does not believe her own words.

She wants to be recognized as a rape victim. She wants attention as her priority. She gives the feminist “rape is not about sex” falsehood along with “triggering” as forms of ingratiation to her audience. This is what matters most.

She is willing to destroy someone for it. This puts her in a particular category of deceiver.

It’s very complicated (human nature is!) but commentators here are doing a reasonably good job letting her words guide them.



Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

iPhone auto correct.

“She is embracing that which she has not linguistically committed to.”

There is not linguistic evidence of disassociation, nor PTSD like symptoms.

She knows what she is doing and is committed to her priority.

She does not hate “Alex” (first name) as much as she craves the spotlight.

She is a “My truth” personality type well taught that what she “feels” is paramount to reality.

Very sad but most untrustworthy.

Peter Hyatt said...

Did readers see this startling example of history repeating itself?

Whites segregated from blacks to be “safe” and the segregation is now for “safe spaces” where the danger is “cultural appropriation” (by those who appropriated indoor toilets).

Very insightful into human nature for those interested:

http://victorhanson.com

Is the article on history & progrssives bad ideas.

Peter Hyatt said...

Direct link :

https://amgreatness.com/2018/07/06/historys-bad-ideas-are-an-inspiration-for-progressives/


Hey Jude said...

More thoughts:

She “wants to open this post with a recognition”.
This is similar to when someone says, “I want to apologise”, but doesn’t really do so, rather creates the impression of having done so.

She puts herself in the position of one bestowing recognition upon “all survivors of assault and rape who have felt the need to stay quiet.” She tells them why they have stayed quiet - “for the feeling that no one would believe them”. In her understanding, all their reasons are for “feeling”, rather than for that which is specific, such as out of fear, shame, or denial.

What she doesn’t say there is interesting. Missing from the feelings she believes others might have, is staying quiet for “the feeling” they could not be certain what happened. In view of her not giving any rape account, it would seem quite an omission from the list - except that as she did not stay quiet, it maybe did not “feel” to her like a reason anyone would or maybe should stay quiet.

She sets out some reasons why people stay quiet, but does not include that one -so, I wonder why she gives no ‘recognition’ of that reason, which is as valid as any. Is it a “don’t look here, look there” type of ploy? She does not give ‘recognition’ for all those who stay quiet because they “feel” it is unconscionable to possibly make a false allegation.

The rest of the post is about gaining recognition for herself as a victim of rape, without presenting any account, or even any detail of what she remembers of the evening and events which led up to the alleged rape, or the following morning. Where is Alex in her non-account?

Is the word “recognition” problematic? I read it as her seeing herself bestowing recognition upon silent rape victims, as though it is an honour, bestowed by one who has spoken. She enlists and addresses those who have stayed quiet, unlike herself, who is fighting “like hell” to destroy a young ma against whom there is no evidence, and against whom she presents none.

Hey Jude said...

Peter - I was puzzled by the two uses of "Alex", as that seemed so incongruous to the rest of what she says.

So, for all that, she doesn't even hate him? That's scary, and God help anyone she does hate.

ima.grandma said...

By assuming
...my injuries were a product of having a vagina and not a product of rape. 

But injuries to my anus ... must mean that I did not want what was done to me.

Bleeding from the rectum is often a sign of alcohol and binge drinking. Did she convince herself she had been raped to explain away this unsettling discovery of blood? Was she the one following rash assumptions? Did she conclude Alex Goldman must have raped her because she had no memory of the night? Did she attempt to allow other explanations of the blood to enter her mind?

ima.grandma said...

I describe the article as a discussion involving the superiority of capitalism and collectivism. Intellectual support for economic liberty and free enterprise is supplied for practical reasons only: it creates wealth and influence to change laws to guide intended trajectory of leftists.

Peter Hyatt said...

Very good. It’s comparative. Whatever she feels towards him is subordinate to obtaining attention

In a strange way, she may actually “like” him because he facilitated her attention seeking scheme. Without him, she’d be of no consequence.

ima.grandma said...

habundia, I now see your question about the splinter. I read “splinter” as reference to the physical condition of her anus. In medical symptomology of rape and medical conditions such as hemorrhoids - the anus would look and feel like ridges swelling up around the perimeter, similar to a splinter sticking up above the wood.

Ali Kat said...

OT: The following is copied from a post on FB, shared by a friend and written by another person (not my friend or someone I am acquainted with.) It sounds "off" to me - some storytelling, etc... :

I just experienced a Handmaidens Tale moment at the DFW airport by Customs and Border Protection. I was traveling back from Rome and stopped by US customs. I was asked if Sybonae was my daughter and I said yes. Then they asked why if she was my daughter I didn’t have the same last name. I told them I had already established my career and earned my doctorate with my last name Acosta so I had decided not to change it. That is why we had different names. Then the customs office said, well maybe you should have taken your husbands last names so you could prove you were her mom. I told him I had a lot of proof she was my daughter without having had his last name. He then took me to another room where they proceeded to interrogate me and my daughter to prove I was her parent. I had to reexplain why we didn’t share last names and again one said well maybe you should consider changing your name to reflect that you are her mother. I then proceeded to tell them that they were perpetuating an institutionalized misogynistic system which required that a woman take her husbands name and after that and a whole lot more about what I thought about what they had said to me that they let us go. I am furious.

In order to maintain full transparency, i am including CBPs response ( first and second edited) to my claims. You are free to draw your own conclusions.

First official CBP Statement attributable to a CBP spokesperson. The Second edited follows and is below the first one.
7/9/18. 5:28 pm
“U. S. Customs and Border Protection has reviewed the audio and video of the encounter between a CBP officer and a woman travelling with her daughter, and found that the video does not support the claim as it has been reported. The audio and video prove that there weren’t any inappropriate questions discussed.

On December 23, 2008, President Bush signed the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008 to combat human trafficking. In instances where the relationship of a minor and accompanying adult can’t be immediately determined, CBP may ask additional questions to determine relationship. This additional questioning could take place in an area away from the general public.

CBP strongly recommends that unless a child is accompanied by both parents, the adult traveling with the child have a note from the child's other parent (or, in the case of a child traveling with grandparents, uncles or aunts, sisters or brothers, friends, or in groups*, a note signed by both parents).

CBP strives to ensure that travelers are processed fairly and efficiently, as we endeavor to make certain that all individuals attempting entry into the United States do so in a legal and secure manner.”

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Ali Kat said...

cont'd...

Second official revised statement—

7/9/18 6:09 pm
“U. S. Customs and Border Protection has reviewed the audio and video of the encounter between a CBP officer and a woman travelling with her daughter, and found that the video does not support this claim.

On December 23, 2008, President Bush signed the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008 to combat human trafficking. In instances where the relationship of a minor and accompanying adult can’t be immediately determined, CBP may ask additional questions to determine relationship. This additional questioning could take place in an area away from the general public.

CBP strongly recommends that unless a child is accompanied by both parents, the adult traveling with the child have a note from the child's other parent (or, in the case of a child traveling with grandparents, uncles or aunts, sisters or brothers, friends, or in groups*, a note signed by both parents).

CBP strives to ensure that travelers are processed fairly and efficiently, as we endeavor to make certain that all individuals attempting entry into the United States do so in a legal and secure manner.”

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ima.grandma said...

7/9/18. 5:28 pm
U. S. Customs and Border Protection has reviewed the audio and video of the encounter between a CBP officer and a woman travelling with her daughter, and found that the video does not support the claim as it has been reported. The audio and video prove that there weren’t any inappropriate questions discussed.

7/9/18 6:09 pm
“U. S. Customs and Border Protection has reviewed the audio and video of the encounter between a CBP officer and a woman travelling with her daughter, and found that the video does not support this claim.

Edits: “the” claim...is altered to “this” claim...
Deleted: “as it has been the claim as it has been reported. The audio and video prove that there weren’t any inappropriate questions discussed.”

So, 41 minutes to re-review the audio and video that didn’t “prove that there weren’t any inappropriate questions discussed” and reissue response.

Anonymous said...

She never mentions the rape exam.

If the campus didn't believe her, a doctor could examine her. She isn't stuck to reporting to campus police only.

I think every woman should be believed. I can't imagine being passed out and waking up disheveled looking and FEELING like I'd just been raped.

Regardless of if she had or had not been raped, just thinking you might have been would be traumatizing, though not as traumatizing as actually being raped.

Habundia said...

"habundia, I now see your question about the splinter. I read “splinter” as reference to the physical condition of her anus. In medical symptomology of rape and medical conditions such as hemorrhoids - the anus would look and feel like ridges swelling up around the perimeter, similar to a splinter sticking up above the wood."'

Wouldnt it be called......'felt like splinter'?
Ive been looking up this term in medical symptomology......the only thing i find is the meaning i already know and that is that of a splinter (from wood, glass, metal or something like that)
So still i find it an odd term to use in this context of writing.
Have read many cases of rape and abuse........never heard or read someone say....'and splinter' (to describe the feeling their anus had after the rape or abuse. She's the first I see using this term and I find it an odd thing to say.


SA always starts out with BELIEVING the words of the person who says (write) them.......it's only when their words make you go out of that assumption that deception comes in..........so if she cant tell us she's being raped........we can't say it for her.......having the feeling of being raped isnt the same as being raped!

@ the traveling post
I am a single mom of two.......i have full custody of both of my kids......yet one of them does have the last name of her father......guess i would have taken to the back too for questioning if i had travelled with them.....
I do think its good when these things are checked.......you wouldnt want to think that some stranger could easily travel with your child to unknown destination. I am sure the woman would be delighted when her child was kidnapped and someone tried to take them to other country and nobody noticed anything because nothing was asked.
Sure it is time consuming and maybe annoying when you now it is your kid you are traveling with. But if it was the other way around you would be over the moon when your child was found because it was checked if the child belonged to the person they traveled with.


About the original post:
Ive seen more cases of woman who wanted a certain man and when that man wasnt interested in them they started a 'hate'campaign.......accusing them of rape or other abuse is one of the things the do. To me she sounds like such a woman......who uses the real vitcims for getting sympathy, while in the meanwhile she's the one making a victim (Alex) instead of being a victim herself.

Habundia said...

" I am sure the woman would be delighted when her child was kidnapped and someone tried to take them to other country and nobody noticed anything because nothing was asked."

this had to be wouldn't be or would be when someone did ask.......

ima.grandma said...

She strategically schemes and manipulates the readers. This post wasn’t an impulse decision. She’s coped with a battling mind while processing the events. Not the alleged rape but the events of reporting the crime she believed to be true. The events of interviews, assessments, questions and medical tests only to be told the rape didn’t occur. She’s angry and confused. Her intelligence refuses to accept the medical clinical findings as false. Her ego refuses to accept her cognitive thought processes as faulty logic.

Priority in writing the post: Solidarity in Sisterhood. This reinforcement is crucial to obtain to reach her ultimate goal: Dignity Restoration. She’s not able to accomplish this alone. She is relying upon society to vindicate her thoughts and actions. She seeks validation to regain her self-respect and sanity.

“Since the days after the assault I have been faced with choices.
The choice to resist accepting this as my new reality.
Or...to fight my own internal denial”

ima.grandma said...

The oddity of the word “splinter” first caught my attention. I assumed she must have left out a clarification word or a typo leaving out the -ed. I passed on it and read the post a few times before I revisited the word. I remain confused. Is she using splinter in reference to the clothing or her body? She first lists conditions of her mind and body making it personal. She then shifts to a material item of clothing using the word “with” creating distance, using the word “and” to accompany “splinter”

“I woke up in Delta Kappa Epsilon Fraternity in Alex Goldman’s bed confused, bloody, bruised, with ripped clothing and splinter.”

Definition of “splinter” used as noun
: a small fragment of something broken off from the whole

Examples of things “splinter” often describes used as an adjective:
group, parties, proof, wound, bar, technique, hemorrhage, wound, protection, factions, damage, etc.

I’m still confused.

ima.grandma said...

Is it possible the word “splinter”, used in the same sentence as confused, is a reference to a fragmented memory?