I got bit worried that the investigation somehow went awry and baby Quinton is denied of justice. I hope they release the 911 call and the police interviews of the mother for educational purpose. As Peter alluded to the comment made by the mother "If something comes "up" meaning perhaps Quinton is "down" or "under" somewhere.
Four University of Idaho students were found dead Sunday, Nov. 13, 2022. Police are investigating the deaths as a crime. (Angela Palermo/Idaho Statesman/Tribune News Service via Getty Images)
“There were parties that were kind of loud,” he said. “As I would take my dog in and out to go to the bathroom, I would just be walking by, I would look up and I would see people in the windows almost every night, probably four or five nights a week. There were a lot of people that went into and out of that house pretty frequently.”
Reagan has tried to explain his behavior, apparently writing in a Reddit thread on the mystery: 'You need to stop blaming me for something [I] had nothing to do with.
'Yes I am an incredibly awkward person, but that doesn't mean I have killed or attempted to kill anybody.'
He added that he did not seek out any of the interviews and never claimed to have 'beneficial information.
'I was approached every time to do an interview, and told the reporter beforehand that I did not know anything,' Reagan explained. 'They still wanted to interview me due to proximity, so I said "sure."
He went on to write that he was not actually wearing a bandage in his second interview, but rather put his thumb through the thumb hole in the shirt and said 'There's nothing creepy or weird about noticing my surroundings as I'm walking back to my apartment.'
Reagan said in a series of interviews on Tuesday that he believes his lack of composure has led to speculation that he is guilty.
'I'm naturally an awkward person, just my mannerisms, the way I talk ... my natural person, just a little bit socially awkward,' he stammered in the interview with Court TV. 'So I might smile at points that I shouldn't, I might make weird hand movements when I shouldn't.”
“There were parties that were kind of loud,” he said. “As I would take my dog in and out to go to the bathroom, I would just be walking by, I would look up and I would see people in the windows almost every night, probably four or five nights a week.
Order is important: “ There were parties that were loud”. Next., as in what happened next..I would ( analysis inserted: THEN) take my dog to go to the bathroom !!!!!! SCAN alert!!! RED FLAG! Dogs get walked, go outside to go pre-pee, relieve themselves, erc, dogs do not go to the bathroom! That’s a rather big SCAN red flag, especially combined with him admitting to looking into their windows in the same phrase.
God is in this story God is in the details Even in the broken parts He holds my heart, He never fails When I'm at my weakest I will trust in Jesus Always in the highs and lows The One who goes before me God is in this story
“Until we have the details of sort of - what th- caused the police to think it was a homicide - then then - I’m still not entirely sure about it.”
Jeremy Reagan, Third Year Law Student
How are his grades? ^
He’s trying a bit too hard to have absolutely no idea - but as he’s a neighbour putting himself under public suspicion, he could have been simultaneously trying to distance himself there. Also, I don’t know what question he was responding too, or what “it” is.
No emotion or care for the victims from Jeremy in the first several interviews.
“Sadly this is an apartment building and I’m assuming it’s relatively old so there was nothing - luckily the apartment building sent out an email…”
Sadly he lives in an apartment building - or sadly because the apartment building is old there were no lights or security cameras? But for the pause he could have been saying luckily there were no lights or cameras. It’s not what he said, but I don’t see what’s lucky about an email, or about a landlord getting a light fixed after a quadruple homicide next door.
“Four people is not that something that you just walk away from and act all normal…”
Jeremy wants the audience to know that he “woke up to a bunch of normal” and that it was only after they got a message and a bunch of police arrived that normalcy ended. It’s like saying he was acting normal before the police arrived, without quite saying it. Why does the audience need to know that from him, though?
“I went to bed early that night and then I woke up to a bunch of normal and then a couple of hours later we got a message and there was a bunch of police here and then that was the end of normalcy for the past week or so here.”
Lots of “then”s - missing time/information. He could just be trying to explain himself if he considers that he’s under suspicion? He put himself out there, and he does seem eager to be part of the investigation - he went and got DNA swabbed without being requested to do so.
He said he was a true crime fan - maybe couldn’t believe his ‘luck’ when his neighbours became victims. I wonder if he is a baiter who wants to be considered a suspect by the public but not by the police.
I wonder how did he not know the students somewhat, as they had a dog, too - did they not share the same dog walking routes/park/ field, cross paths some days. Took his dog “to the bathroom” overlooking the students’ home but he only saw them through their upstairs windows - four or five times a week. Trying not to consider that too voyeuristic, but it seems that way, especially if they could not see him. Maybe he’s a lazy nosy dog owner - he saw them playing with their dog in a field - his dog didn’t go there - they never met?
ConspiriTea YouTube has a compilation video of three of Jeremy Reagan’s interviews. Chronicles of Olivia YT has a longer ten minute interview with him, most of it conducted/hijacked by Bullhorn Betty.
"There's always gonna be a small contingent that even if the killer is found are still gonna think it's the wrong guy, it was me instead. But I think the overwhelming majority of it will stop, which probably just mean they'll go find someone else. I don't know what their plan is, people just like to do this for fun."
“It’s the wrong guy, it’s me instead”.
Lots of embedded statements
Plus he has admitted to looking into their windows four to five times a week.
He has explained how as he walked down stairs , that would lead to their front door, he would stare into their windows, four or five times a week.People watch their feet when walking down stairs.
Took his dog “to the bathroom” overlooking the students’ home but he only saw them through their upstairs windows - four or five times a week. Trying not to consider that too voyeuristic, but it seems that way, especially if they could not see him.
I think they DID see him, and that he’s the stalker!
Tomorrow I’ll look for the quote where Jeremy Reagan says that it’s the closest he’s ever been to a crime scene other then a drugs related one or some such thing. Because it’s haunting to think he’s referring to a crime scene he’s created! There’s two others which are very similar in the surrounding area!
said some odd things, tries to appear a bit dim - questioning why police think it is homicide, and if they had searched his apartment without his knowledge while
This is the only result I got from a Google search of Jeremy’s ‘throwaway’ Reddit account user name - Reddit brings back an account suspended message:
Stop_Blaming_Me-JR 24 points 2 days ago. I didn’t do shit but thanks for insinuations the awkward law student (myself) is the killer. I learned to block out the noise my first year here.
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All I could find on Reddit - it’s like looking for a needle in a haystack in there:
Stop_Blaming_Me-JR · 5 days ago Police have questioned me because I went and asked a local prosecutor to have police come talk with me. Also, I did an interview before the one with the grey jacket wearing only a black t-shirt. Don't you think any wounds or scratch marks or anything on my hands or arms would have been noticed by either of the two people I was speaking with? Maybe do some basic research next time.
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I was going to transcribe from the screenshots on Conspiratea’s video, but I have found this link which someone posted to Twitter so am posting this instead - Jeremy’s main posts are here:
"I just went in, they never contacted me," he said. "I just figured it's easier to just try and be proactive and get it all out of the way sooner rather than later." Reagan said he did a mouth swab and left the police station.
NY Post “Officers came by my house today (Tuesday). They talked with me, they interviewed me. They didn’t bring anything to collect DNA today,” Reagan said on the program.
“They said, ‘If we need you, will you come down to the station?’ I said, ‘Absolutely,’” he said, adding that he didn’t know anyone at the off-campus home where the students were killed.
There’s a lie, in the News Week quote he says they NEVER contacted him And he’s also admitted to there being a “later” where his DNA will be collected
"Investigators have been monitoring online activity related to this ongoing and active case and are aware of the large amount of rumors and misinformation being shared as well as harassing and threatening behavior toward potentially involved parties," Moscow police said in a statement Friday afternoon.
"Anyone engaging in threats or harassment whether in person, online or otherwise needs to understand that they could be subjecting themselves to criminal charges," Moscow police said Friday. "Moscow Police Department cautions the public not to rely on rumors and remains committed to keeping the public informed. We urge reliance on official channels for accurate information."
Is it harassment to do analysis on statements given to journalists?
Anon - In asking that, I was questioning his reasoning and comprehension skills rather than attempting to learn his actual grades.
To my understanding, doxxing is ‘outing’ someone by publishing/broadcasting their personal identifying information online when they have chosen not to do so.
Jeremy Reagan fits the profile, his self indulgent statements show he’s a narcissist and the fact that he put the victims names last and only once at the end of a self indulgence several page rambling “Don’t blame Me “ Reddit post is quite sickening.
What makes it especially horrifying is that he said he didn’t know their names, then he ended his long Reddit post with their names all in caps… and I believe he now kmows who they are and he named them in the order that he murdered them .
That’s why he made the big deal about taking his dog to the “bathroom” in the field across the street, because the wooded are behind their house is much closer for a dog who may be urgent.
Reagan has tried to explain his behavior, apparently writing in a Reddit thread on the mystery: 'You need to stop blaming me for something [I] had nothing to do with.
'Yes I am an incredibly awkward person, but that doesn't mean I have killed or attempted to kill anybody.'
“Or attempted to kill anybody”
There’s a couple in Oregon who where attacked in their sleep where one survived. That’s the attempt. I think he’s a psychopathic serial killer.
Stop_Blaming_Me-JR 24 points 2 days ago. I didn’t do shit but thanks for insinuations the awkward law student (myself) is the killer. I learned to block out the noise my first year here.
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No-one said he did “sh*t”, but many have expressed suspicions about him relating to the murders. He could have just said, “I didn’t kill them”, for clarity’s sake there. It would seem absurd and demeaning, however, for an innocent person to have to make such a denial, so I don’t know if that missed opportunity should count against him.
Would “the awkward law student (myself) is the killer” amount to an embedded confession, or no, because he states it in context of others “insinuations”?
“Insinuations” is a bit minimising, considering the accusations and claims which have been made about him.
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What would be the use of proving his dog peed against the trees at the back of the house? - that’s not a crime. Most people would go the shorter distance rather than use the dog park every time, especially at night or if it was raining. He didn’t say he “stared” in the windows.
He does seem indifferent to the victims’ deaths, but he may have greatly disliked living next door to a party house, and not have known or much cared about the victims.
He might have felt rebuffed when he went to the house with the phone he found - but if at the time there were different residents, why should that figure?
He doesn’t seem shocked, which is strange, and he didn’t choose to leave when most others did - he was excited by all the police activity and the media, until he suddenly wasn’t.
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It would be great if Peter would make a YouTube on some of Jeremy’s statements - there are so many!
There was an amateur profiler on Reddit who went on and on, sort of like the above guy, pointing fingers at everybody who wasn’t a student and who also said 20 stab winds per person. I’m quite certain that whoever the killer is , is also frequenting Reddit.
It's exceedingly difficult to kill someone with a knife and it takes a lot of strength and adrenaline to stab someone 20 or more times while they're fighting for their life.
Ok… I’ve been looking at the Moccow Murders Reddit Posts. But I cannot recall there being any mention of how many times the victims were stabbed. It was very disconcerting to read.
What would be the use of proving his dog peed against the trees at the back of the house? - that’s not a crime
Agreed, but it’s curious that he devoted many words explaining his routine about going to the dog park. When if in fact his usual routine may have been to take his dog into the wooded area behind their house, where he could see all the many people through the large glass doors and upstairs windows. Clearly not visible from the street side of their house. ,
Yes, he did go on a lot about the dog park, but somewhere he concedes that mostly his dog peed behind the house. He doesn’t want to appear creepy in the horrific circumstances so he’s going on about the dog park as if that is where he went primarily - but before that he said he *saw* people playing there with their dogs, so I go with that rather than him often going there himself.
Wasn’t the medical examiner trying gently to suggest that the wounds were not caused by a knife?
Reddit commenters have suggested that the blade on the killers knife may have begun to coagulate, thus dulling the blade. Which they surmised may have led to these other sort of wounds. My guess is that the killer had a special fatal attraction to the especially bludgeoned victim, Kaylee.Perhaps the killer met her because they both had dogs.
It is a always said that a murder with a knife is personal, it just follows that the murderer has met at least one of the victims.
it would be wrong to conclude that Jeremy avoided taking his dog out that particular morning. That he didn’t try to explain could be that he rarely or never takes his dog out before midday, and he’d rather not admit it to being that lazy of a dog owner.
IF he is a psychopath, it is expected that he would torture his dog.
It’s interesting he kept giving interviews while having nothing much to say. Interesting that he sought out the police for an interview. He seemed a bit narked that the detectives didn’t ask for his DNA or bring a kit, that officers didn’t know who he was when he went voluntarily to give it, and that different police were at the station/precinct. Did he expect the same ones who went to his apartment to be sittin
If he’s the psychopath killer, then it’s his narcissistic personality disorder revealed.
It’s an interesting interview. Jeremy is very cognisant of lights and cameras around his neighbourhood, and lack of, and even of the type of coffee his neighbours brought home when he saw them returning as he took his dog out. He also knew they had either gone out or were “getting ready” to go out - which could raise questions as to why he had that level of awareness of them and of their comings and goings.
You could ask, where’s the student bathroom and does it have blinds or just the patterned glass which may as well be clear for the privacy it affords if a light is on. Always have blinds. He’s taking the dog “to the bathroom” - sounds twee, but I’ve heard other people say it. Would be a bit obvious to say he was taking the dog to the bathroom if literally he was going to look at the girls through their bathroom window. How does he know they were getting ready to go out, though? - that’s such a familiar sounding thing to say when he apparently doesn’t even know them, or at the time, their names.
Wow! SO disgusting!! It really sounds like he’s the guy!!!
Hey Jude, You should help out the FBI, I m certain they would appreciate your acute analysis. It makes sense, and they most likely had their sense knocked out by the crime scene.
“ I don’t talk with people I don’t know because I don’t like small talk and I don’t care about their personal life. Maybe that’s something like asperger’s or autism. Maybe I’m just anti social and awkward? Unless and until I get tested, the world will never know. 5.1 You can ask just about every person I go to school with if I’m a social butterfly. They’ll all likely say no, because, because I don’t talk with most of the people.
“Unless and until I get tested, the world may never know “
What a weird remark! Is he expecting to be known to the world?
Notorious for what?
I listened to the link once. And will listen again because there’s something wrong with about when he got the shelter in place and when he saw the crime scene tape. It’s just a different long interview.
“Until we have the details of sort of - what th- caused the police to think it was a homicide - then then - I’m still not entirely sure about it.”
This bugs me - not only for what the “it” is which he’s still not entirely sure about, but because he might have been intending to say “until we have the details of sort of - what the cause of death was…” stalled and changed it to “what th- caused the police to think”. What would he be entirely sure about once we have “the details?”
His eagerness for “the details” - and the nonsensical statement he comes out with in the course of trying to suppress his interest in “the details” is interesting. It is nonsensical, because when four dead bodies are found in one house, and the police announce it is a quadruple homicide, you can be entirely sure that is what it is without needing to know “the details”.
What will having “the details” made public knowledge do, or change, for Jeremy?
Jeremy seems to regard himself as superior to the undergraduates, and mostly only converses with law students, so why is he making himself sound at least a bit dim there? It’s a nonsense spoken in the attempt to avoid what first he was going to say, IMO. The avoidance could be to prevent himself appearing too eager for not only the cause of death, but for the details, to be made public.
He follows true crime, so maybe he’s just overly excited that “all of a sudden this happened”, almost on his doorstep. Pity the interview is so edited that the full sense of what he is saying is unclear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W0g6GH2aA8
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Anon above - I noticed that too - it does sound as if Jeremy expects the world to know about him, autistic or not.
“Until we have the details of sort of - what th- caused the police to think it was a homicide - then then - I’m still not entirely sure about it.”
Maybe, if he’s the psychopathic murderer, he’s not sure if it’s the end of his run. He did go to the police offering his DNA and fingerprints. Although according to him, they only took his DNA. I did notice in the interview he talked about putting his hand on the house. It was an strange statement. There are two other unsolved crimes nearby that coincidentally were on the same day of the month, and at the same hour of night, and also by the same sort of weapon. And at one point he said that he didn’t ever murder or attempt to murder. The poor kids in Idaho didn’t survive. However one of the victims in the similar attacks survived. That qualifies as an “attempt”.
And after stating that there would be no more interviews, he agrees to a question and answer session to a podcaster who’s taking online questions, which very few may watch. Is he attempting to keep in the public’s view? In my opinion, he looks remorseful. That’s not statement analysis. That’s just observing human behavior. I haven’t yet watched it again. He looks guilty.
I took screen shots of that I didn’t do it J R “””Reddit post, and he went on and on about himself, only mentioning the victims in an unreliable denial in the very last sentence. And it’s not a good denial! Because it’s all in caps, and possibly in the order in which they were murdered!
You can understand that when the police describe a scene as a “quadruple homicide” that’s what it is - being a bit autistic doesn’t require that you know “the details” in order to be entirely sure about it. But I still don’t know what “it”is.
It could be that the question was related to the police saying that other residents were safe and it was an isolated, targeted attack. That can’t have been too reassuring to the residents - you would be justified in not being “entirely sure about it” being safe. Logically, that response would fit that type of question. Maybe “the details” would somehow confirm it was an isolated, targeted attack and everyone else is safe. Why should residents take the claim that they are safe at face value? - you’d want to know why the police could have confidence in giving that statement.
What Jeremy said sounds odd without context - that’s my best guess at what the context could have been which would make what he said make more sense. Terrible editing, guess the question.
Jeremy does invite interest, but it could be misplaced.
I wonder if the girls had complained or made comments in his hearing about him taking his dog behind their house - it could have made them uncomfortable if they saw him looking up at their windows. That could cause problems, if they had, and if he persisted rather than using the dog park; if he had thrown the dog’s ball onto their property, or ever went onto it to retrieve it. He said he could throw the ball to their front door from where he stood, so possibly he did that.
Jeremy volunteered information that potentially could have made him a problem neighbour, or caused him to find the girls problematic if he didn’t want to take his dog further than behind their house. Neighbour tensions can fester, but surely not to that degree.
If he had not given any interviews he would not have drawn attention. Up till then he seems to have had only routine doorstep attention from the police. It does seem by consulting with a prosecutor to facilitate a police interview, and by volunteering DNA, that he was seeking their attention for the purpose of being cleared - there’s a quadruple homicide, but Jeremy wants the police to save him from himself.
He’s carrying a gun because he’s more scared of internet trolls that the killer. That’s where his fear lies, though you can’t shoot an emoji.
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The 911 call might be released, according to news today.
This is copy paste of the opening part of Jeremy’s Reddit post - he’s deleted the account but his post is still there.
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Reddit
Jeremy here- Couple of preliminary matters: This is a throwaway account so I don't get harassed on my main account. You all need to stop blaming me for something had nothing to do with. Yes, I am an incredibly awkward person but that does not mean I have killed or attempted to kill anybody. I did not ask to do any of the interviews or seek them out in any way nor did I claim to have any beneficial information about what happened. I was approached every time to do an interview and told the reporter beforehand that I did not know anything. They still wanted to interview me due to proximity so I said sure. 3.1. For the first interview, the reporter knocked on my front door and asked if I would do an interview since I lived so close. For the second interview, I was taking my trash out to the dumpster before I left for Thanksgiving break and the reporter approached me while I still had the trash in my hand and asked if I'd do an interview. Obviously she let me throw it out before doing the interview. I'm the type of person that will do something for someone else if doing so won't cause me physical or financial harm, hence the reason I said yes to the interviews. I also didn't expect to be contacted by national news outlets. I was shopping with my grandma when I received emails from CNN and Fox & Friends stating that they saw my interviews and wanted me on for an interview on their network. I told them I didn't know anything but, like the other reporters, they still wanted me on because of how close I live. Now that that's out of the way..
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‘You all need to stop blaming me for something had nothing to do with.’
- there is a quite significant missing pronoun.
He also avoids naming what the “something” is - I wonder why he avoids/minimises the allegations there when they are the reason for his post.
He wants people to stop blaming him.
Nobody said that being incredibly awkward means he killed or attempted to kill anyone., did they?
He is a bit shy of saying he didn’t do it - given he is in the free editing process, might a denial not be expected? There is no denial this far.
"I just went in, they never contacted me," he said. "I just figured it's easier to just try and be proactive and get it all out of the way sooner rather than later." Reagan said he did a mouth swab and left the police station. “sooner rather than later” He’s acknowledging they will/should ask for his DNA.
I received emails from CNN and Fox & Friends stating that they saw my interviews and wanted me on for an interview on their network. I told them I didn't know anything but, like the other reporters, they still wanted me on because of how close I live. Now that that's out of the way..
They probably were alerted to a person who was successfully attempting to insert himself into a quadruple murder investigation, a person who has no empathy for the victims, and who has also disparaged the victims. Those are enough red flags for a major news network to want an interview, but not enough for the police?
You can understand that when the police describe a scene as a “quadruple homicide” that’s what it is - being a bit autistic doesn’t require that you know “the details” in order to be entirely sure about it. But I still don’t know what “it”is.
“I did not ask to do any of the interviews or seek them out in any way nor did I claim to have any beneficial information about what happened”
Why can’t he acknowledge that it’s got an adjective and noun? A horrific crime, or something similar. Why is the crime called “what happened”?
I gave up counting the number of times he said, or rather wrote, ‘I’ and ‘me’ and ‘my’ but it’s quite a lot. I hoped for more “they” and “them” considering the circumstances, even though he was talking about himself - he could have gone off topic and said a bit more about how shocking, tragic and terrifying it was to learn his neighbours had been murdered.
The people in the windows are just “people” - rather than ‘them’, or ‘“my neighbours” or the girls’ - I think that’s distancing language considering they were his neighbours and he at least knew them by sight, but he chooses gender neutral “people” more than once. If he’s concerned not to be viewed as having been unduly interested in his neighbours he might prefer to describe them as “people”, but it sounds distancing, of neighbours. He can’t always have seen random party goers in the windows rather than his neighbours.
Well, If I’m talking about my neighbours I’ll at least say “my neighbours” if not always their name/s - I would not describe them as impersonally as “people” because they also are my neighbours. ‘People’ seems more for strangers - though new neighbours might be “the people next door/wherever” until you met or knew them a bit. Not sure how insistent I want to be about that - if he’s not social he might not consider the idea of neighbours, neighbourliness, or community - unless they are friends in particular, they might just be considered people.
he had thrown the dog’s ball onto their property, or ever went onto it to retrieve it. He said he could throw the ball to their front door from where he stood, so possibly he did that.
He said he could throw the ball to their front door
He didn’t specify which door. The front door being the door on the street side , one would suppose. The sliding back doors that are at the rear of the house, were actually used more often according to many statements. And in a very heart breaking news clip today , where Kaylee was being questioned by a police officer about a noise complaint, they were at those back sliding doors. It was a police cam video. From the rear of the house there’s a lot of visibility into the interior. The reporter even pointed out large speakers visible within the house, that could have been the source of the noise.
And if he threw a baseball at their front door he could have damaged a car. Also the physical motion of throwing a base ball is aggressive. And similar to the motion and grasp of stabbing with a knife.
Jeremy might be kidding himself. The way not to seek interviews IN ANY WAY is to decline any request to give an interview - agreeing to be interviewed is to desire to be interviewed and therefore to seek an audience. Media companies don’t interview those who are unwilling to be interviewed. Just because Jeremy did not initiate the approaches does not mean he didn’t seek to be interviewed.
I’d not open the door, and just hold onto my trash, or simply decline to be interviewed, if I really didn’t want that.
Still, he did seem to become quite anxious or nervous as the number of interviews increased - by the last one, where he said that was his final interview, I wondered if he thought he’d said too much. Obviously he had, in allowing himself to become the focus.
There could have been issues with him looking in the windows, with his dog ‘routine’, with the noise from the party house, but he claims people “need to stop blaming me for something (missing pronoun) had nothing to do with” , on account of him being an incredibly awkward person. That’s not so, though, is it? He doesn’t seem incredibly awkward, and that is not why some people find him to be of interest. So much minimisation, so much self-concern about how he was perceived, yet he kept going back for more.
What’s “a bunch of normal”? When someone says something like “it was just a normal day” we know it probably wasn’t - but a whole bunch of normal - what’s that, and how did he know so soon in the day, on waking that it was not just normal, but a bunch of normal? It sounds aggressive, somehow. You can’t have a bunch of something unquantifiable, but Jeremy is all for logic.
He does seem angry, even aggressive, in language for sure.
If he had and/or caused issues with the girls, shouldn’t that fade to insignificance, and be replaced by sorrow and regret upon learning of their murders; if there had been no issues, why is there no expression of horror, outrage - anything, at their young lives brutally ended, at their families and friends having to live with this horror?
Interesting he gives advice similar to that of Keily Rodni’s mother: Lindsay: “call your mom, go for a walk, pick up a new hobby…”
Jeremy: “With all that said, feel free to go outside, stretch your legs, breathe some fresh air, touch some grass”
Don’t know what to think about that - or this:
“and stop trying to pin this on me simply because I did interviews and didn't fit the exact mold of what you think I should've looked or sounded like. If you think you found the missing link connecting me to the murders, think again because there is no link because I DID NOT KILL ETHAN, XANA, MADISON, OR KAYLEE.”
Are people wondering about Jeremy simply because he did interviews?
What could he mean by “and didn’t fit the exact mold of what you think I should’ve looked or sounded like.” .
Anyone could be forgiven for reading that as an admission, because most people didn’t know Jeremy existed before his interviews, or had any expectations with regard to him - only to what the murderer might like or sound like.
Who said anything about any missing link connecting Jeremy to the murders?
Bryan Christopher Kohberger, 28, was being held for extradition in a criminal homicide investigation based on an active arrest warrant for first degree murder issued by the Moscow Police Department and Latah County Prosecutor’s Office.
Earlier this year, Kohberger posted on Reddit, asking former prisoners to take part in a research project aimed at understanding “how emotions and psychological traits influence decision-making when committing a crime” and “the story behind your most recent criminal offense”, the Daily Beast reported.
It’s difficult to comprehend why alarm bells weren’t ringing with his PhD supervisors at the questions on that survey because he assumes premeditation, and predatory type crimes involving victims/targets of all the respondents, yet the appeal is just general to “ex-cons”, as though the questions will be applicable any/.every ex-con. He had a scary thought process going on there.
What will he say about the murders - a research project?
Why would such a highly educated person commit such a brutish and primitive crime? He’s a vegan, too - so flesh and blood is probably repulsive to him, in any form. Insanity?
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I’m not apologising to or about Jeremy - he was virtually begging to make himself a person of interest, whilst also denying it, and he still has said a lot of questionable things. Maybe over explaining himself out of worry tha he might become a suspect if he spent too much time looking in their windows, knowing when they were getting ready, going out. And what is a bunch of normal, and why does he seem mad about it/them?
It’s really mind blowing that Bryan Christopher Kohberger was soliciting criminals online, with perhaps the knowledge of his professors. They did post that the police were looking for the occupant(s) of the white Elantra. Did he find a conspirator?
There’s a professor on Twitter tweeting “What a bizarre research project. Never should have been approved.”
Someone responds:
Apparently it was IRB-approved and endorsed by two PHD academics in the research field. There's something deeply disturbing about this research and we need to shine a light on it.
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Then there’s argument about the tweeting professor being a bad professor, the survey being typical of qualitative/behavioural research, and that it’s “definitely not bizarre”.
I think some are missing the point. - it’s the assumptions made about ex-cons within the questions, and therefore the thinking of the researcher, which is bizarre. I don’t think you need to be a professor to see that; the format and method of research is commonly used but that doesn’t make the survey contents “typical”.
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I wonder if they’ve been able to interview him, or if he’s lawyered up - he’s probably savvy enough to have lawyered up, though maybe not, as he published that survey.
CNN reached one of the principal investigators of the study, a professor at DeSales University, but they declined to comment on the matter. The university has not responded to requests for comment.
Heroin will make people go into a half sleep, but it will not cause them to murder. A person on heroin would be too out of it to have committed these murders.
"We have fully cooperated with law enforcement agencies in an attempt to seek the truth and promote his presumption of innocence rather than judge unknown facts and make erroneous assumptions," Kohberger's family said in a statement released by his public defender, Jason A. LaBar.
I missed out that I read that a flight home had been booked for Bryan. I read it before it began to circulate that his father had driven home with him. No source, and I haven’t seen it repeated anywhere since.
The professor taught him just one one-hour class and said he was her best student ever, recommended him for his PhD, and then went on maternity leave, never met or spoke to him - so who was his professor for the other twenty-nine hours, or was she still his professor? All seems a bit casual for $24, 000.
The survey is toward the end of the video - it’s longer than the version I saw. Seems good enough, excepting the questions nearer the beginning which seem to assume the type of crime as predatory, of all the participants, regardless of how they had already responded to what type of crime they had committed. I’d say the responses to those questions were his interest - they seem somewhat shoehorned in.
The brutal slayings reportedly didn't stop Kohberger from attending class at WSU's Pullman campus, where he worked as a TA and was described as a tough grader whose disposition and teaching style changed in recent weeks.
"Definitely around then, he started grading everybody just 100s. Pretty much if you turned something in, you were getting high marks. He stopped leaving notes. He seemed preoccupied," Hayden Stinchfield, a student in one of Kohberger's classes, told CNN.
"The couple times that he did come after, or around that time period, he had a little more facial hair, stubble, less well-kept. He was a little quieter."
Jordan Serulneck, 34, the owner of Seven Sirens Brewing Company in Bethlehem, said Kohberger had gone by himself to the brewery a few times and would sit at the bar.
The exchanges at the brewery happened months ago, possibly when the suspect was a student at DeSales University in Center Valley, less than 6 miles south of Bethlehem, Serulneck said. Kohberger received his bachelor's from DeSales in 2020 and completed graduate studies there in June 2022, according to the university.
The brewery sometimes had "unusual characters," which was not out of the ordinary, Serulneck said, but he remembered Kohberger from some interactions he had with female patrons and staff.
Serulneck said Kohberger didn't do anything in front of him or management, but he said he would make comments under his breath or if only one person was working at the bar.
In the bar's system, staff had added notes that would pop up when his ID was scanned, Serulneck said.
(cont.) “Staff put in there, ‘Hey, this guy makes creepy comments, keep an eye on him. He’ll have two or three beers and then just get a little too comfortable,'" he said.
Serulneck said Kohberger would ask the female staff or customers who they were at the brewery with, where they lived and what their work schedule was. He said if the women blew him off, “he would get upset with them a little bit,” noting that one time he called one of his staff members a disparaging term when she refused to answer his questions.
Kohberger had not returned to the brewery since Serulneck approached him months ago about the complaints from his staff, the owner said.
“I went up to him and I said, ‘Hey Bryan, welcome back. We appreciate you coming back. … I just wanted to talk to you real quick and make sure that you’re going to be respectful this time and we’re not going to have any issues,'" he said. "And he was completely taken aback. He was shocked that I was saying that, and he said, ‘I don’t know what you’re talking about. You totally have me confused.’”
"I'm making no media statements at this time," Ramsland told Newsweek on Monday, without elaborating further.
Kerri Rawson, the daughter of BTK killer Dennis Rader, tweeted after it was reported that Kohberger was taught by Ramsland that "Ramsland has, or did have a close academic relationship and friendship" with her father. Ramsland co-wrote Confession of a Serial Killer: The Untold Story of Dennis Rader, the BTK Killer with him.
Rawson said she thinks that Kohberger's studies may have led him to make contact with her father.
It’s been widely reported that Bryan was severely overweight and bullied in high school, until his senior year, when he was suddenly rail thin and also sickly looking, and suddenly became a bully himself. Also widely reported is that he abused heroin for some period of time.
I’m wondering if his family, “ We will continue to let the legal process unfold and as a family we will love and support our son and brother. ” got him psychological/ and or medical help during these mental, physical and school problems when he was in their care.
Nick Mcloughlin, who was friends with Kohberger at school told the Daily Beast he was 'stunned' to see his old acquaintance arrested.
Mcloughlin said Kohberger was 'down to Earth,' when he graduated junior year. But at the start of senior year, Kohberger returned 'thinner than a rail,' had turned 'aggressive' and taken up boxing.
Recalling how their friendship soured, Mcloughlin added: 'He always wanted to fight somebody, he was bullying people. We started cutting him off from our friend group because he was 100 percent a different person.'
Kohberger said he has 'no idea' what prompted the sudden change.
Little is known about Kohberger's family. His father, Michael, and mother Maryann, live in the home where he was believed to have been staying when he was arrested.
In 2010, Michael filed a Chapter 7 bankruptcy. It's unclear what he and his wife do for work now.
One of the friends said he had spent time in rehab, maybe in high school years - very young to have developed a heroin habit.
I’d guess he was somewhat spoiled - if allowed to be “severely overweight” and to develop a heroin addiction, to request that his extended family buy new vegan pans for his visit, to attend three colleges, have use of his mother’s car - and those are just a few things mentioned. It’s so much hearsay. Also hearsay, his mother is a supply teacher, his father a maintenance man. Bryan did kickboxing rather than boxing - who knows, though?
The pan thing is so strange, if true. Maybe he didn’t want to visit so tried to make it expensively awkward, but it does sound somewhat trollish behaviour. I’d want to see the state of the aunt’s kitchen before making up my mind, but either way, it should have been more Bryan or his mother’s problem than the aunt’s - they could take her own pans, or buy new ones while there. Bryan was twenty four at the time. The story could be quite different to how it was presented.
Comments of old friends or students, excepting the old texts between Bryan and the friend he took on a heroin run without her knowledge, have to have been coloured by shock. One of the students said that Bryan was a hard marker and mean, yet when questioned more, had to admit that Bryan had only written nice comments on his work and that he had been given good marks. So, confirmation bias. What would they have said about Bryan three months ago? - probably not the same.
Will we hear Bryan speak - interrogations, at trial, or has he lawyered up?
D.M. stated she originally went to sleep in her bedroom ou the southeast side of the seoond floor. D.M. stated she was awoken at approximately 4:00 a-m. by what she stated sounded like Goncalves playing with her dog in one of the upstairs bedrooms, which were located on the third floor. A short time later , D.M. said she heard who she thought was Goncalves say something to the effect of"there’s someone here." A review of records obtained from a forensic download of Kemodle's phone showed this could also have been Kemodle as her cellular phone indicated she was likely awake and using the TikTok app at approximately 4:12 a.m- D.M. stated she looked out of her bedroom but did not see anything when she heard the comment about someone being in the house. D,M. stated she opened her door a second time when she heard what she thought was crying coming from Kemodle's room. D.M. then said she heard a male voice say something to the effect of "it's ok, I'm going to help you."
The male voice wasn’t identified as Ethan’s, whose she would most likely recognize.
DM, in hindsight, realizes her friends needed help.
The unknown male’s words definitely do not fit the reality of horrific murders.
IF there were two murderers, DM could have heard one murderer comforting another; “ It’s okay. I’m going to hell too.”
Pat Diaz, a retired Miami-Dade homicide detective with 35 years of experience, told Fox News Digital Thursday that someone studying for a Ph.D in criminal justice could use that as a legitimate excuse to visit a crime scene so close to home. But Kohberger's alleged ping near the King Road house came at around 9 a.m. on the day of the stabbings -- roughly three hours before police said they received the 911 call.
(cont.) All of his prior visits, except for one, were in the late evening or early morning, according to the affidavit.
"Further review indicated that the 8458 Phone utilized cellular resources on November 13, 2022, that are consistent with the 8458 Phone leaving the area of the Kohberger Residence at approximately [9] a.m. and traveling to Moscow, ID," the affidavit states. "Specifically, the 8458 Phone utilized cellular resources that would provide coverage to the King Road Residence between 9:12 a.m. and 9:21 am."
Kohberger was ordered held without bond Thursday for allegedly stabbing Kaylee Goncalves, 21; Madison Mogen, 21; Ethan Chapin, 20; and Xana Kernodle, 20, multiple times. Two of the victims' roommates survived but heard strange noises near the victims' rooms and witnessed a masked suspect that morning.
Why did he return? To look for the incriminating knife sheath? Or to bring an accomplice home?
I still think it’s strange how Jeremy woke up “to a bunch of normal” - was there something unsatisfactory to him about so much normality?
Bryan Kohberger, according to the affidavit, drove near to the house a few hours after the murders, when there was still no activity as the alarm had not been raised. He was probably not expecting things to still appear normal by then, but the murders were still undiscovered.
I wonder if Jeremy knew, saw or heard anything or anyone in or leaving the house before, during or after the murders. You wouldn’t expect things to be quite so normal all morning if you knew or suspected something had gone on in the house next door last night.
He’s said he has “nothing to hide”, which sometimes a person might say if they are hiding something. I wonder if he saw or heard something which he didn’t report and hasn’t disclosed.
The YouTube I linked in my previous post, in which the host is speaking with Jeremy, is rescheduled for 6th January.
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Anon above - they have said a few times that Bryan acted alone.
Didn’t Jeremy see that the girls’ front door was wide open when he took his dog out that morning? That wasn’t normal but he did not mention it. Maybe he will talk about it.
Well,you might be scared stiff if you had seen and recognised anyone or their vehicle; you might make yourself high profile and keep stating publicly that you went to bed early and didn’t know anything, and that you had a gun now. Would you not leave town, though, asa, too? - Jeremy stayed on longer than other students.
I think that’s all on Jeremy now - he is interesting, though.
It seems that many of them were actually awake; DM was woken by What she believed was Kaylee playing with her dog, Xana was having food delivered and playing on tic tok. I’m guessing there were two murderers and that they also used a gun to frighten the students. Why else wasn’t a 911 call made?
Jesus summarizes His higher standard by stating, “The good person out of the good treasure of his heart produces good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure produces evil, for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks” (Luke 6:45
Thank God google still recognizes a higher standard!
All of us struggle at one time or another in life with why evil happens to someone, either ourselves, our family, our friends, our nation, or perhaps some particularly disturbing instance in the news—a child raped, a school shooting, genocide in another country, a terrorist bombing. The following material is meant to give an overview of the discussion of this issue as it takes place in several circles, especially that of the Christian church. I. The Problem of Evil Defined Three terms, "the problem of evil," "theodicy," and "defense" are important to our discussion. The first two are often used as synonyms, but strictly speaking the problem of evil is the larger issue of which theodicy is a subset because one can have a secular problem of evil. Evil is understood as a problem when we seek to explain why it exists (Unde malum?) and what its relationship is to the world as a whole. Indeed, something might be considered evil when it calls into question our basic trust in the order and structure of our world.
It reminds me of Caylee Harrison’s disappearance. And how David Outwater said, according to the reporter, “the ocean is really rough here” when I heard “ Theodician is really raw fear”. Maybe because the ocean was as flat as glass, maybe because he also said “I didn’t want to find anything “ when everyone else was looking for a living little two year old baby. Or it could have been the picture of two men, drawn by her sister of the ones who kidnapped her. We need to listen closely. The truth will come out.
"The problem of evil : a comparison of theological and depth-psychological perspectives"
LC control no. 88890220 Type of material Book Personal name Outwater, Dennis L., 1942- » More like this Main title The problem of evil [microform] : a comparison of theological and depth-psychological perspectives / by Dennis L. Outwater. Published/Created 1972. Description vii, 479 p. Notes Bibliography: p. 465-479. Dissertation note Thesis (Ph. D.)--University of Chicago, 1972.
Hey Jude, it’s sort of like how the word normalcy stuck in your brain. My apologies if it is in any way being a troll. I’m haunted and think her sister Lizzies very good witness account to be known.
No-one would be likely to say that, though, even if you heard it that way.
The sea appeared calm, but there were strong undercurrents; it makes no difference as even a calm-seeming sea would take a toddler in a second.
The mother was responsible, whether she really left two tiny children on the beach to climb a sea wall to retrieve a worthless ball, or not. I doubt little Caleigh was at the beach that day.
Who would value a ball over their children? It might ‘work’ as a reason for why the children were not in her sight for some time, but not as a reason for why anyone would leave their children on a beach.
The greater danger would be from the sea, but yet more unfortunately, there’s also a predator who, on an expanse of beach, the mother somehow does not see making off with her child? How long could it take to retrieve a ball? If you did place that much value on a ball, wouldn’t you at least look back over the wall to check the children every couple of seconds?
I couldn’t believe that story in a month of Sundays.
However little Caleigh disappeared, it was at least due to negligence, per the mother. There used to be a video interview overlooking the beach with the mother, but it’s an old case by now - I can’t find it.
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It’s not “normalcy” which stuck in my brain; ‘normal’ or ‘normality’ might, but “normalcy” is American English. It was “a bunch of normal” which struck me because you can’t have a bunch of normal as if it were grapes. It’s like an extreme need to persuade - not just normal, or ‘super’ normal as the language goes these days, but a whole bunch of normal. It was a bunch of normal which struck me, sounds absurd.
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I heard someone say that you shouldn’t describe evil as evil because that’s religious language, as though it is somehow inappropriate. What should it be, then - ‘not nice’, ‘out of character’, ‘personality disorder’…as if that even approaches the reality. These days we prefer to name reactions to unnamed or renamed acts. Horrifying, shocking, devastating. Deliver us from evil, though.
It was “a bunch of normal” which struck me because you can’t have a bunch of normal as if it were grapes. It’s like an extreme need to persuade - not just normal,
Well there were a “bunch “of dead people next door, but no police just the day as it was always, “normal”
And in that Reddit post ,were he says , the guys chin is skinnier then mine, and he’s too tall. Explaining why a person identified as him actually wasn’t him, it also fits with a comparison between him and the arrested Bryan K. I wonder if the weird sounding, “bunch of normal” was when he got dropped off at home. I wonder if he was interviewed for a doctorates school project by Bryan K? Because they’re very similar in looks and interests and in close proximity and both go to Reddit often, and for what sort of use? To vent? To seek out predators? I think there’s a connection between them. I think it was heard by a very frightened friend of the victims. “It’s okay. I’m going to help you “
It would explain “a bunch of normal”. He’s getting dropped off knowing there’s many dead people next door “a bunch” and yet, there’s no police activity. Everything is “normal “. .
It is one of Bryan’s professors who “has a problem” with the word ‘evil’ - apparently it’s just a brain disorder.
Would such a belief have to ‘exonerate’ Bryan? Not legally, but morally - or was he out to prove her wrong?
Neither?
Will he want to go the Bundy route further along, and insist he is mentally sound?
I can’t imagine a defense not including that he was driven by some disorder.
Did he seek out this professor, not only for her links to BTK, possibly allowing him access, but for her dismissal of ‘evil’?
What if he had not been caught?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIi-ELSRVz0
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Jeremy talked about professors- seemed no particular context for it, must revisit that. I wondered if he had seen Bryan at the back of the house, the parking lot, and mistook him for a professor as he looks much older than his years.
Jeremy didn’t give his interview after all - at least did not speak publicly, though the YouTuber said he spoke with him offline. Jeremy promised us more interviews - well, not promised. He can’t fear being accused now as Bryan has been caught, and it’s been said repeatedly that he acted alone. Jeremy seemed to enjoy the attention, yet he hasn’t shared his relief? Maybe waiting for a bigger platform, or just not wanting more hassle.
What if two criminals plotted a horrific crime. And they had a bit of sense about not using electronics, especially during and after committing a planned crime, how would they plan ahead to communicate? Especially if one was a seasoned criminal or the dominant criminal. One who might be overheard saying “it’s okay. I’m going to help you.”, to the weaker criminal. How could he get a message to the weak one without using cell towers? What if the dominant criminal decided to put himself in front of news cameras to speak to and reassure the weaker criminal?
News Nation "There's always gonna be a small contingent that even if the killer is found are still gonna think it's the wrong guy, it was me instead. But I think the overwhelming majority of it will stop, which probably just mean they'll go find someone else. I don't know what their plan is, people just like to do this for fun."
“It was me instead”
“people just like to do this for fun”
This shows closeness, if he had said “that” instead of “this” then it would mean something different. But he said “this” , directly following an embedded statement of “it was me instead ”.
Why did God allow this to happen? I’m certain it’s a great privilege to be an angelic angel. And I know from scripture that Jesus calls the little ones, but the way evil won is distressing. If Bryan doesn’t plead guilty or make a deal the autopsy results will be revealed. And I can sort of imagine what horrific and previously unknown evilness will be revealed. It would be better if Bryan makes some sort of deal to avoid subjecting the victims families and the general public to whatever nightmare he participated in.
Dear Lord God, Please in all You’re Mighty Goodness, make the guilty person who murdered the young students in Idaho confess. Please spare the grieving families the additional trauma of going through a lengthy trial. Please in the name of your Beloved Son Jesus, give Bryan the courage to confess his horrible sin and to give Xana, Ethan Morgan and Kaylee’s family some immediate relief and closure. They need to grieve. In the name of your precious Son Jesus please
Early on it was reported that the victims were sleeping, attacked in their beds. The affidavit shows they all could have been awake. Xana received a food delivery, Kaylee was heard saying that someone was there - to whom would she have said it - to Maddie, also still awake, or to Xana? Sounds of Kaylee possibly playing with her dog - at least something involving the dog. So at least two were awake, and Dylan was also awake, witness to the sounds and to the sight of a masked man dressed in black, exiting the sliding door. Did he know the house - chose that door, knew it was unlocked? No mention of blood or of a knife, but that wouldn’t necessarily be included.
How did he carry his knife away without the sheath - like a madman?
Could only one assailant have killed all four if they all, or even some, were awake?
The front door was open yet the masked man exited through the sliding door. Who opened the front door? Did an accomplice exit that way - was there a sole assailant who opened the front door on his way upstairs in case he needed to run out? Did he open the door to let someone else in? Did Xana not properly close it after receiving her food delivery?
Night burglars sometimes leave their exit door open - they don’t care, and closing it might waken the occupants. So if whoever killed the students left it open, they could have been aware there were more people, who could still be sleeping, in the house.
Bryan “acted alone” could be a ploy - would he balk at an accomplice not sharing his fate, and tell all? Might an accomplice feel cheated of his notoriety and act out in some way?
Could be that saying the victims were killed while sleeping is a ploy, too - horrific mass murderer is actually a sneaking coward who killed sleeping children in their beds. He is both, as that was no doubt his intention, and some of them might have been asleep.
To say they were all asleep would have spared the parents and families from the full horror in the earlier days, too - and perhaps it looked that way initially, even though they were not all found in their beds.
Maybe Dylan truly did not understand or suspect that any harm had befallen her housemates, or she was separated from her phone and too fearful to leave her room to retrieve it. At some stage she must have had her phone if she called friends over, who called the police - but perhaps the friends came over without being called. Did they find the front door still open?
It does seem incomprehensible that the victims who were awake did not let out some screams or sound - but they could have frozen and not been able.
“I miss what she meant to the family," Goncalves said.
21-year-old Kaylee Goncalves leaves a big void in her family.
“Holidays, she was the one who wanted to do the gingerbread houses and pushed it. She knew to make memories, you've got to do this type of thing. We'll miss that gift that she brought to us every single day, and she was a little ornery too. So, we'll miss that as well,” Goncalves said.
Kaylee’s father smiled as he reflected on her love of country music and concerts. Also, her love of her best friend Madison Mogen, whom she grew up alongside, and died alongside.
“I just read a letter where Maddie wrote to Kaylee talking about their friendship and it was powerful. They were beyond sisters, because sisters are kind of forced to get along, these two, they weren't forced,” Goncalves sai
The grieving father says rather than glorifying the suspect, with all the national attention on his case, we have to remember to highlight the beautiful lives lost.
He also feels he has to forgive the person who did this.
“I hope this story here is all about these kids. Otherwise, it's just a cancer inside you. I'm not willing to live with that inside me. We're not going to walk around with darkness in our hearts for the rest of our lives, and have his name written there like a tattoo on our consciousness,” Goncalves said.
Why didn’t he call his post “I didn’t have anything to do with the crime” or something like that? Why does he chose a horrible song or maybe it was just out of his head, ( though I doubt it, because Taylor Swift is very popular with young people). I think he listens to Taylor Swift when he puts in his headphones at the dog park , one because maybe that’s what his neighbors blasted on their huge speakers, and also to avoid talking to anyone. Why did he use the word “lineup” when saying that although he didn’t know their names, he could identify the other dog owners in the neighborhood. And what about him suggesting that people ask his “one friend”? That’s pretty lame in a college setting. Even for a socially awkward person.
I keep looking at the Reddit posts because if there is an accomplice he might post there, and maybe with the heading having something about the number 13 in it.. ugh
People posted about Bryan’s dad , with photos, cleaning up after the FBI raid. And with much pity because he was wearing new balance shoes. Which they all called “dad shoes” I agree.
There were close ups of the FBI taking shoe casts outside of the murder scene which were definitely NOT of a Vans shoe print.
Just saying, there’s another set of foot prints they’re interested in.
Bryan is a baiter too; he went onto Reddit and solicited criminals to interview. Perhaps he met an actual murderer, and wanted to interview him for book material, like his professor. And because criminals are very sly, he was baited. And went to see/meet the murderer often, and maybe he was invited to participate in a crime. And after the crime was contacted only through the criminals media interviews.
The strange missing link/connection statement he made, too - makes me question if he did know,
Jeremy volunteering that he thought there were only four people living there., He may be talking to Bryan, to explain why things went wrong. Especially because Bryan was seen. And telling him, through an interview, that he was unaware of a dog in the house. Immediately followed by identifying dog owners in a “line-up”.
but only by anyone who knew something bad had happened a few hours earlier. So I continue to wonder about Jeremy -
I do too. Also when the police were looking for the white Elantra they used the plural when saying that the individuals may have important information.
Because Ethan doesn’t really live there and Kaylee had already moved out. She was just returning to show off her car. That makes four people who were there before that night. It would take a lot of spying/stalking to know or make the statement about , only four people lived there.
Kaylee’s dad was on 20/20 tonight. He said that Kaylee complained to him about a stalker, and she felt him following her in a store and at a self checkout. Bryan’s phone pings in Moscow were late at night or in the early morning, near their house. He could’ve been doing interviews in the vicinity of their house. What if he was doing interviews with some criminal who did his Reddit for college survey, and that person did their best to hide their identity from him? Why wasn’t it reported by DM that he had a large knife?
“I went to bed early that night, and then I woke up to a bunch of normal and then a couple of hours later we got a message and there was a bunch of police here,” fellow student Jeremy Reagan said in a report published Tuesday. “And then that was the end of normalcy for the past week or so here.”
Why “that night”? Does it imply that on other nights he’s up late?
A bunch much of normal? Or a bunch of noise? “And then a couple of hours later WE got a mess(age)
A couple hours after a bunch of normal. Normal for the weekend was loud music. AND THEN WE who was the WE that he was with when he got a mess(age)?
“I went to bed early that night, and then I woke up to a bunch of normal and then a couple of hours later we got a message and there was a bunch of police here,” fellow student Jeremy Reagan said in a report published Tuesday. “And then that was the end of normalcy for the past week or so here.”
Reagan describes it as a party house.
"There were parties that were kind of loud," he said. "As I would take my dog in and out to go to the bathroom, I would just be walking by, I would look up and I would see people in the windows almost every night, probably four or five nights a week. there were a lot of people that went into and out of that house pretty frequently."
Despite this, the neighbors Fox News spoke with say the victims were respectful.
or SO here.”
“my dog IN AND OUT to go to the BATHROOM “
“there were a lot of people that went INto and OUT of that”
They were stabbed multiple times. A lot of into and out of, in and out. And because there’s some sort of known to psychologists pleasure for a stabbing murder that’s connected to references to the bathroom in SA ,…There it is.
there were a lot of people that went into and out of that house pretty frequently." There were a lot of people( four dead) that (distancing language, perhaps referencing a knife in his hands ),” went into and out of”!!!!is this the crime? That ( distancing language) pretty (certainly describes the victims) frequently ( maybe speaks to his own behavior with stalking and interviews.
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I got bit worried that the investigation somehow went awry and baby Quinton is denied of justice.
I hope they release the 911 call and the police interviews of the mother for educational purpose. As Peter alluded to the comment made by the mother "If something comes "up" meaning perhaps Quinton is "down" or "under" somewhere.
Reagan describes it as a party house.
Four University of Idaho students were found dead Sunday, Nov. 13, 2022. Police are investigating the deaths as a crime.
(Angela Palermo/Idaho Statesman/Tribune News Service via Getty Images)
“There were parties that were kind of loud,” he said. “As I would take my dog in and out to go to the bathroom, I would just be walking by, I would look up and I would see people in the windows almost every night, probably four or five nights a week. There were a lot of people that went into and out of that house pretty frequently.”
Daily Mail:
Reagan has tried to explain his behavior, apparently writing in a Reddit thread on the mystery: 'You need to stop blaming me for something [I] had nothing to do with.
'Yes I am an incredibly awkward person, but that doesn't mean I have killed or attempted to kill anybody.'
He added that he did not seek out any of the interviews and never claimed to have 'beneficial information.
'I was approached every time to do an interview, and told the reporter beforehand that I did not know anything,' Reagan explained. 'They still wanted to interview me due to proximity, so I said "sure."
He went on to write that he was not actually wearing a bandage in his second interview, but rather put his thumb through the thumb hole in the shirt and said 'There's nothing creepy or weird about noticing my surroundings as I'm walking back to my apartment.'
Daily Mail
Reagan said in a series of interviews on Tuesday that he believes his lack of composure has led to speculation that he is guilty.
'I'm naturally an awkward person, just my mannerisms, the way I talk ... my natural person, just a little bit socially awkward,' he stammered in the interview with Court TV. 'So I might smile at points that I shouldn't, I might make weird hand movements when I shouldn't.”
'So I might smile at points that I shouldn't, I might make weird hand movements when I shouldn't.”
!!SO!! I might smile at POINTS (knives have points)
I might make weird hand movements (hand movements whilst holding a knife?)
When I shouldn’t ( he knows right from wrong)
“There were parties that were kind of loud,” he said. “As I would take my dog in and out to go to the bathroom, I would just be walking by, I would look up and I would see people in the windows almost every night, probably four or five nights a week.
Order is important: “ There were parties that were loud”. Next., as in what happened next..I would ( analysis inserted: THEN) take my dog to go to the bathroom !!!!!! SCAN alert!!! RED FLAG! Dogs get walked, go outside to go pre-pee, relieve themselves, erc, dogs do not go to the bathroom! That’s a rather big SCAN red flag, especially combined with him admitting to looking into their windows in the same phrase.
For the victim’s families
God is in this story
God is in the details
Even in the broken parts
He holds my heart, He never fails
When I'm at my weakest
I will trust in Jesus
Always in the highs and lows
The One who goes before me
God is in this story
OT:
When the Killer is the First to Arrive at the Murder Scene
https://youtu.be/425pKIxSgek?t=53
OT - Jeremy Reagan
“Until we have the details of sort of - what th- caused the police to think it was a homicide - then then - I’m still not entirely sure about it.”
Jeremy Reagan, Third Year Law Student
How are his grades? ^
He’s trying a bit too hard to have absolutely no idea - but as he’s a neighbour putting himself under public suspicion, he could have been simultaneously trying to distance himself there. Also, I don’t know what question he was responding too, or what “it” is.
No emotion or care for the victims from Jeremy in the first several interviews.
“Sadly this is an apartment building and I’m assuming it’s relatively old so there was nothing - luckily the apartment building sent out an email…”
Sadly he lives in an apartment building - or sadly because the apartment building is old there were no lights or security cameras? But for the pause he could have been saying luckily there were no lights or cameras. It’s not what he said, but I don’t see what’s lucky about an email, or about a landlord getting a light fixed after a quadruple homicide next door.
“Four people is not that something that you just walk away from and act all normal…”
Jeremy wants the audience to know that he “woke up to a bunch of normal” and that it was only after they got a message and a bunch of police arrived that normalcy ended. It’s like saying he was acting normal before the police arrived, without quite saying it. Why does the audience need to know that from him, though?
“I went to bed early that night and then I woke up to a bunch of normal and then a couple of hours later we got a message and there was a bunch of police here and then that was the end of normalcy for the past week or so here.”
Lots of “then”s - missing time/information. He could just be trying to explain himself if he considers that he’s under suspicion? He put himself out there, and he does seem eager to be part of the investigation - he went and got DNA swabbed without being requested to do so.
He said he was a true crime fan - maybe couldn’t believe his ‘luck’ when his neighbours became victims. I wonder if he is a baiter who wants to be considered a suspect by the public but not by the police.
I wonder how did he not know the students somewhat, as they had a dog, too - did they not share the same dog walking routes/park/ field, cross paths some days. Took his dog “to the bathroom” overlooking the students’ home but he only saw them through their upstairs windows - four or five times a week. Trying not to consider that too voyeuristic, but it seems that way, especially if they could not see him. Maybe he’s a lazy nosy dog owner - he saw them playing with their dog in a field - his dog didn’t go there - they never met?
ConspiriTea YouTube has a compilation video of three of Jeremy Reagan’s interviews. Chronicles of Olivia YT has a longer ten minute interview with him, most of it conducted/hijacked by Bullhorn Betty.
News week:
"There's always gonna be a small contingent that even if the killer is found are still gonna think it's the wrong guy, it was me instead. But I think the overwhelming majority of it will stop, which probably just mean they'll go find someone else. I don't know what their plan is, people just like to do this for fun."
“It’s the wrong guy, it’s me instead”.
Lots of embedded statements
Plus he has admitted to looking into their windows four to five times a week.
He has explained how as he walked down stairs , that would lead to their front door, he would stare into their windows, four or five times a week.People watch their feet when walking down stairs.
Yahoo news:
Reagan is so close to the victims' house that "I could throw a baseball from my front door to the house," he said.
It’s the wrong guy, it’s me instead”.
“It’s me” is psychotic
Took his dog “to the bathroom” overlooking the students’ home but he only saw them through their upstairs windows - four or five times a week. Trying not to consider that too voyeuristic, but it seems that way, especially if they could not see him.
I think they DID see him, and that he’s the stalker!
Tomorrow I’ll look for the quote where Jeremy Reagan says that it’s the closest he’s ever been to a crime scene other then a drugs related one or some such thing. Because it’s haunting to think he’s referring to a crime scene he’s created! There’s two others which are very similar in the surrounding area!
said some odd things, tries to appear a bit dim - questioning why police think it is homicide, and if they had searched his apartment without his knowledge while
I didn’t see this on Reddit
Ot - Jeremy Reagan
No, those were comments he made during the interviews he gave - to media, first comment, and Olivia/Betty, second comment.
OT - Jeremy Reagan
This is the only result I got from a Google search of Jeremy’s ‘throwaway’ Reddit account user name - Reddit brings back an account suspended message:
Stop_Blaming_Me-JR 24 points 2 days ago. I didn’t do shit but thanks for insinuations the awkward law student (myself) is the killer. I learned to block out the noise my first year here.
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All I could find on Reddit - it’s like looking for a needle in a haystack in there:
Stop_Blaming_Me-JR
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5 days ago
Police have questioned me because I went and asked a local prosecutor to have police come talk with me. Also, I did an interview before the one with the grey jacket wearing only a black t-shirt. Don't you think any wounds or scratch marks or anything on my hands or arms would have been noticed by either of the two people I was speaking with? Maybe do some basic research next time.
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I was going to transcribe from the screenshots on Conspiratea’s video, but I have found this link which someone posted to Twitter so am posting this instead - Jeremy’s main posts are here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MoscowMurders/comments/z4vyum/the_neighbor_and_a_few_thoughts/iy2sd0b?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Conspired with Phoebe
She’s a glimmer of hope
Newsweek
"I just went in, they never contacted me," he said. "I just figured it's easier to just try and be proactive and get it all out of the way sooner rather than later." Reagan said he did a mouth swab and left the police station.
NY Post
“Officers came by my house today (Tuesday). They talked with me, they interviewed me. They didn’t bring anything to collect DNA today,” Reagan said on the program.
“They said, ‘If we need you, will you come down to the station?’ I said, ‘Absolutely,’” he said, adding that he didn’t know anyone at the off-campus home where the students were killed.
There’s a lie, in the News Week quote he says they NEVER contacted him
And he’s also admitted to there being a “later” where his DNA will be collected
"Investigators have been monitoring online activity related to this ongoing and active case and are aware of the large amount of rumors and misinformation being shared as well as harassing and threatening behavior toward potentially involved parties," Moscow police said in a statement Friday afternoon.
"Anyone engaging in threats or harassment whether in person, online or otherwise needs to understand that they could be subjecting themselves to criminal charges," Moscow police said Friday. "Moscow Police Department cautions the public not to rely on rumors and remains committed to keeping the public informed. We urge reliance on official channels for accurate information."
Is it harassment to do analysis on statements given to journalists?
It’s SO sad that those four beautiful students were murdered by a psychopath
Hey Jude said...
OT - Jeremy Reagan
“Until we have the details of sort of - what th- caused the police to think it was a homicide - then then - I’m still not entirely sure about it.”
Jeremy Reagan, Third Year Law Student
How are his grades? ^
Reply: I’m fairly certain that attempting to learn his grades is called doxxing, and it isn’t allowed.
That said; from his writing (and unless the University had a very low standard) he seems below average on his writing abilities.
It’s so strange that no important public figure has come forward with a “ that could have been my kid” sort of statement.
OT - Jeremy Reagan
Anon - In asking that, I was questioning his reasoning and comprehension skills rather than attempting to learn his actual grades.
To my understanding, doxxing is ‘outing’ someone by publishing/broadcasting their personal identifying information online when they have chosen not to do so.
Jeremy Reagan fits the profile, his self indulgent statements show he’s a narcissist and the fact that he put the victims names last and only once at the end of a self indulgence several page rambling “Don’t blame Me “ Reddit post is quite sickening.
What makes it especially horrifying is that he said he didn’t know their names, then he ended his long Reddit post with their names all in caps… and I believe he now
kmows who they are and he named them in the order that he murdered them .
That’s why he made the big deal about taking his dog to the “bathroom” in the field across the street, because the wooded are behind their house is much closer for a dog who may be urgent.
The investigators can get his dogs DNA from all of the trees in the back of their house, and prove that he was there many, many times!
Daily Mail:
Reagan has tried to explain his behavior, apparently writing in a Reddit thread on the mystery: 'You need to stop blaming me for something [I] had nothing to do with.
'Yes I am an incredibly awkward person, but that doesn't mean I have killed or attempted to kill anybody.'
“Or attempted to kill anybody”
There’s a couple in Oregon who where attacked in their sleep where one survived. That’s the attempt. I think he’s a psychopathic serial killer.
OT - Jeremy Reagan
Stop_Blaming_Me-JR 24 points 2 days ago. I didn’t do shit but thanks for insinuations the awkward law student (myself) is the killer. I learned to block out the noise my first year here.
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No-one said he did “sh*t”, but many have expressed suspicions about him relating to the murders. He could have just said, “I didn’t kill them”, for clarity’s sake there. It would seem absurd and demeaning, however, for an innocent person to have to make such a denial, so I don’t know if that missed opportunity should count against him.
Would “the awkward law student (myself) is the killer” amount to an embedded confession, or no, because he states it in context of others “insinuations”?
“Insinuations” is a bit minimising, considering the accusations and claims which have been made about him.
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What would be the use of proving his dog peed against the trees at the back of the house? - that’s not a crime. Most people would go the shorter distance rather than use the dog park every time, especially at night or if it was raining.
He didn’t say he “stared” in the windows.
He does seem indifferent to the victims’ deaths, but he may have greatly disliked living next door to a party house, and not have known or much cared about the victims.
He might have felt rebuffed when he went to the house with the phone he found - but if at the time there were different residents, why should that figure?
He doesn’t seem shocked, which is strange, and he didn’t choose to leave when most others did - he was excited by all the police activity and the media, until he suddenly wasn’t.
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It would be great if Peter would make a YouTube on some of Jeremy’s statements - there are so many!
There was an amateur profiler on Reddit who went on and on, sort of like the above guy, pointing fingers at everybody who wasn’t a student and who also said 20 stab winds per person. I’m quite certain that whoever the killer is , is also frequenting Reddit.
It's exceedingly difficult to kill someone with a knife and it takes a lot of strength and adrenaline to stab someone 20 or more times while they're fighting for their life.
Ok… I’ve been looking at the Moccow Murders Reddit Posts. But I cannot recall there being any mention of how many times the victims were stabbed. It was very disconcerting to read.
What would be the use of proving his dog peed against the trees at the back of the house? - that’s not a crime
Agreed, but it’s curious that he devoted many words explaining his routine about going to the dog park. When if in fact his usual routine may have been to take his dog into the wooded area behind their house, where he could see all the many people through the large glass doors and upstairs windows. Clearly not visible from the street side of their house.
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Yes, he did go on a lot about the dog park, but somewhere he concedes that mostly his dog peed behind the house. He doesn’t want to appear creepy in the horrific circumstances so he’s going on about the dog park as if that is where he went primarily - but before that he said he *saw* people playing there with their dogs, so I go with that rather than him often going there himself.
Hey Jude said...
OT - Idaho
Wasn’t the medical examiner trying gently to suggest that the wounds were not caused by a knife?
Reddit commenters have suggested that the blade on the killers knife may have begun to coagulate, thus dulling the blade. Which they surmised may have led to these other sort of wounds. My guess is that the killer had a special fatal attraction to the especially bludgeoned victim, Kaylee.Perhaps the killer met her because they both had dogs.
It is a always said that a murder with a knife is personal, it just follows that the murderer has met at least one of the victims.
Blogger Hey Jude said...
Yes, he did go on a lot about the dog park, but somewhere he concedes that mostly his dog peed behind the house
Where is this statement?
it would be wrong to conclude that Jeremy avoided taking his dog out that particular morning. That he didn’t try to explain could be that he rarely or never takes his dog out before midday, and he’d rather not admit it to being that lazy of a dog owner.
IF he is a psychopath, it is expected that he would torture his dog.
It’s interesting he kept giving interviews while having nothing much to say. Interesting that he sought out the police for an interview. He seemed a bit narked that the detectives didn’t ask for his DNA or bring a kit, that officers didn’t know who he was when he went voluntarily to give it, and that different police were at the station/precinct. Did he expect the same ones who went to his apartment to be sittin
If he’s the psychopath killer, then it’s his narcissistic personality disorder revealed.
Their family and friends were murdered.
, and he goes to the dog park so the dog can “ let off energy”.
I missed this statement
It’s an interesting interview. Jeremy is very cognisant of lights and cameras around his neighbourhood, and lack of, and even of the type of coffee his neighbours brought home when he saw them returning as he took his dog out. He also knew they had either gone out or were “getting ready” to go out - which could raise questions as to why he had that level of awareness of them and of their comings and goings.
He sounds like THE STALKER
You could ask, where’s the student bathroom and does it have blinds or just the patterned glass which may as well be clear for the privacy it affords if a light is on. Always have blinds. He’s taking the dog “to the bathroom” - sounds twee, but I’ve heard other people say it. Would be a bit obvious to say he was taking the dog to the bathroom if literally he was going to look at the girls through their bathroom window. How does he know they were getting ready to go out, though? - that’s such a familiar sounding thing to say when he apparently doesn’t even know them, or at the time, their names.
Wow! SO disgusting!! It really sounds like he’s the guy!!!
Hey Jude, You should help out the FBI, I m certain they would appreciate your acute analysis. It makes sense, and they most likely had their sense knocked out by the crime scene.
Please post an accurate transcript of the interview or a link to the YouTube interview.
Otherwise it’s unbelievable. Because it all fits, but without proof of the actual statement.
Don’t be a troll. Here’s the interview.
Jeremy is a baiter - he would love to be transcribed.
I’m not transcribing him, it’s Christmas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq71IUfLO5w
From the don’t blame me Jeremy Reagan post
“ I don’t talk with people I don’t know because I don’t like small talk and I don’t care about their personal life. Maybe that’s something like asperger’s or autism. Maybe I’m just anti social and awkward? Unless and until I get tested, the world will never know. 5.1 You can ask just about every person I go to school with if I’m a social butterfly. They’ll all likely say no, because, because I don’t talk with most of the people.
“Unless and until I get tested, the world may never know “
What a weird remark! Is he expecting to be known to the world?
Notorious for what?
I listened to the link once. And will listen again because there’s something wrong with about when he got the shelter in place and when he saw the crime scene tape. It’s just a different long interview.
OT - Jeremy Reagan
“Until we have the details of sort of - what th- caused the police to think it was a homicide - then then - I’m still not entirely sure about it.”
This bugs me - not only for what the “it” is which he’s still not entirely sure about, but because he might have been intending to say “until we have the details of sort of - what the cause of death was…” stalled and changed it to “what th- caused the police to think”. What would he be entirely sure about once we have “the details?”
His eagerness for “the details” - and the nonsensical statement he comes out with in the course of trying to suppress his interest in “the details” is interesting. It is nonsensical, because when four dead bodies are found in one house, and the police announce it is a quadruple homicide, you can be entirely sure that is what it is without needing to know “the details”.
What will having “the details” made public knowledge do, or change, for Jeremy?
Jeremy seems to regard himself as superior to the undergraduates, and mostly only converses with law students, so why is he making himself sound at least a bit dim there? It’s a nonsense spoken in the attempt to avoid what first he was going to say, IMO. The avoidance could be to prevent himself appearing too eager for not only the cause of death, but for the details, to be made public.
He follows true crime, so maybe he’s just overly excited that “all of a sudden this happened”, almost on his doorstep.
Pity the interview is so edited that the full sense of what he is saying is unclear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W0g6GH2aA8
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Anon above - I noticed that too - it does sound as if Jeremy expects the world to know about him, autistic or not.
OT - Jeremy Reagan
“Until we have the details of sort of - what th- caused the police to think it was a homicide - then then - I’m still not entirely sure about it.”
Maybe, if he’s the psychopathic murderer, he’s not sure if it’s the end of his run. He did go to the police offering his DNA and fingerprints. Although according to him, they only took his DNA. I did notice in the interview he talked about putting his hand on the house. It was an strange statement. There are two other unsolved crimes nearby that coincidentally were on the same day of the month, and at the same hour of night, and also by the same sort of weapon. And at one point he said that he didn’t ever murder or attempt to murder. The poor kids in Idaho didn’t survive. However one of the victims in the similar attacks survived. That qualifies as an “attempt”.
OT - Jeremy Reagan
He has also chosen to make this tragedy a reason to expose all his personal self awareness. It’s bizarre.
And after stating that there would be no more interviews, he agrees to a question and answer session to a podcaster who’s taking online questions, which very few may watch. Is he attempting to keep in the public’s view? In my opinion, he looks remorseful. That’s not statement analysis. That’s just observing human behavior. I haven’t yet watched it again. He looks guilty.
I took screen shots of that I didn’t do it J R “””Reddit post, and he went on and on about himself, only mentioning the victims in an unreliable denial in the very last sentence. And it’s not a good denial! Because it’s all in caps, and possibly in the order in which they were murdered!
OT - Jeremy Reagan
You can understand that when the police describe a scene as a “quadruple homicide” that’s what it is - being a bit autistic doesn’t require that you know “the details” in order to be entirely sure about it. But I still don’t know what “it”is.
It could be that the question was related to the police saying that other residents were safe and it was an isolated, targeted attack. That can’t have been too reassuring to the residents - you would be justified in not being “entirely sure about it” being safe. Logically, that response would fit that type of question. Maybe “the details” would somehow confirm it was an isolated, targeted attack and everyone else is safe. Why should residents take the claim that they are safe at face value? - you’d want to know why the police could have confidence in giving that statement.
What Jeremy said sounds odd without context - that’s my best guess at what the context could have been which would make what he said make more sense. Terrible editing, guess the question.
Jeremy does invite interest, but it could be misplaced.
I wonder if the girls had complained or made comments in his hearing about him taking his dog behind their house - it could have made them uncomfortable if they saw him looking up at their windows. That could cause problems, if they had, and if he persisted rather than using the dog park; if he had thrown the dog’s ball onto their property, or ever went onto it to retrieve it. He said he could throw the ball to their front door from where he stood, so possibly he did that.
Jeremy volunteered information that potentially could have made him a problem neighbour, or caused him to find the girls problematic if he didn’t want to take his dog further than behind their house. Neighbour tensions can fester, but surely not to that degree.
If he had not given any interviews he would not have drawn attention. Up till then he seems to have had only routine doorstep attention from the police. It does seem by consulting with a prosecutor to facilitate a police interview, and by volunteering DNA, that he was seeking their attention for the purpose of being cleared - there’s a quadruple homicide, but Jeremy wants the police to save him from himself.
He’s carrying a gun because he’s more scared of internet trolls that the killer. That’s where his fear lies, though you can’t shoot an emoji.
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The 911 call might be released, according to news today.
OT - Jeremy Reagan
This is copy paste of the opening part of Jeremy’s Reddit post - he’s deleted the account but his post is still there.
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Reddit
Jeremy here-
Couple of preliminary matters:
This is a throwaway account so I don't get harassed on my main account.
You all need to stop blaming me for something had nothing to do with. Yes, I am an incredibly awkward person but that does not mean I have killed or attempted to kill anybody.
I did not ask to do any of the interviews or seek them out in any way nor did I claim to have any beneficial information about what happened. I was approached every time to do an interview and told the reporter beforehand that I did not know anything. They still wanted to interview me due to proximity so I said sure.
3.1. For the first interview, the reporter knocked on my front door and asked if I would do an interview since I lived so close. For the second interview, I was taking my trash out to the dumpster before I left for Thanksgiving break and the reporter approached me while I still had the trash in my hand and asked if I'd do an interview. Obviously she let me throw it out before doing the interview. I'm the type of person that will do something for someone else if doing so won't cause me physical or financial harm, hence the reason I said yes to the interviews. I also didn't expect to be contacted by national news outlets. I was shopping with my grandma when I received emails from CNN and Fox & Friends stating that they saw my interviews and wanted me on for an interview on their network. I told them I didn't know anything but, like the other reporters, they still wanted me on because of how close I live.
Now that that's out of the way..
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‘You all need to stop blaming me for something had nothing to do with.’
- there is a quite significant missing pronoun.
He also avoids naming what the “something” is - I wonder why he avoids/minimises the allegations there when they are the reason for his post.
He wants people to stop blaming him.
Nobody said that being incredibly awkward means he killed or attempted to kill anyone., did they?
He is a bit shy of saying he didn’t do it - given he is in the free editing process, might a denial not be expected? There is no denial this far.
Newsweek
"I just went in, they never contacted me," he said. "I just figured it's easier to just try and be proactive and get it all out of the way sooner rather than later." Reagan said he did a mouth swab and left the police station.
“sooner rather than later”
He’s acknowledging they will/should ask for his DNA.
I did not ask to do any of the interviews
I was approached every time to do an interview
They still wanted to interview
3.1. For the first interview,
asked if I would do an interview since I lived so close.
For the second interview, I was taking my trash out
trash in my hand and asked if I'd do an interview.
throw it out before doing the interview.
hence the reason I said yes to the interviews.
stating that they saw my interviews
wanted me on for an interview
Eleven times he uses the word “ interview”, it’s obviously important to him. Towards the end of the paragraph they become “my interviews”
I received emails from CNN and Fox & Friends stating that they saw my interviews and wanted me on for an interview on their network. I told them I didn't know anything but, like the other reporters, they still wanted me on because of how close I live.
Now that that's out of the way..
They probably were alerted to a person who was successfully attempting to insert himself into a quadruple murder investigation, a person who has no empathy for the victims, and who has also disparaged the victims. Those are enough red flags for a major news network to want an interview, but not enough for the police?
OT - Jeremy Reagan
You can understand that when the police describe a scene as a “quadruple homicide” that’s what it is - being a bit autistic doesn’t require that you know “the details” in order to be entirely sure about it. But I still don’t know what “it”is.
“I did not ask to do any of the interviews or seek them out in any way nor did I claim to have any beneficial information about what happened”
Why can’t he acknowledge that it’s got an adjective and noun? A horrific crime, or something similar. Why is the crime called “what happened”?
OT - Jeremy Reagan
I gave up counting the number of times he said, or rather wrote, ‘I’ and ‘me’ and ‘my’ but it’s quite a lot. I hoped for more “they” and “them” considering the circumstances, even though he was talking about himself - he could have gone off topic and said a bit more about how shocking, tragic and terrifying it was to learn his neighbours had been murdered.
The people in the windows are just “people” - rather than ‘them’, or ‘“my neighbours” or the girls’ - I think that’s distancing language considering they were his neighbours and he at least knew them by sight, but he chooses gender neutral “people” more than once. If he’s concerned not to be viewed as having been unduly interested in his neighbours he might prefer to describe them as “people”, but it sounds distancing, of neighbours. He can’t always have seen random party goers in the windows rather than his neighbours.
Well, If I’m talking about my neighbours I’ll at least say “my neighbours” if not always their name/s - I would not describe them as impersonally as “people” because they also are my neighbours. ‘People’ seems more for strangers - though new neighbours might be “the people next door/wherever” until you met or knew them a bit. Not sure how insistent I want to be about that - if he’s not social he might not consider the idea of neighbours, neighbourliness, or community - unless they are friends in particular, they might just be considered people.
he had thrown the dog’s ball onto their property, or ever went onto it to retrieve it. He said he could throw the ball to their front door from where he stood, so possibly he did that.
He said he could throw the ball to their front door
He didn’t specify which door. The front door being the door on the street side , one would suppose. The sliding back doors that are at the rear of the house, were actually used more often according to many statements. And in a very heart breaking news clip today , where Kaylee was being questioned by a police officer about a noise complaint, they were at those back sliding doors. It was a police cam video. From the rear of the house there’s a lot of visibility into the interior. The reporter even pointed out large speakers visible within the house, that could have been the source of the noise.
And if he threw a baseball at their front door he could have damaged a car. Also the physical motion of throwing a base ball is aggressive. And similar to the motion and grasp of stabbing with a knife.
OT - Jeremy Reagan
Jeremy might be kidding himself. The way not to seek interviews IN ANY WAY is to decline any request to give an interview - agreeing to be interviewed is to desire to be interviewed and therefore to seek an audience. Media companies don’t interview those who are unwilling to be interviewed. Just because Jeremy did not initiate the approaches does not mean he didn’t seek to be interviewed.
I’d not open the door, and just hold onto my trash, or simply decline to be interviewed, if I really didn’t want that.
Still, he did seem to become quite anxious or nervous as the number of interviews increased - by the last one, where he said that was his final interview, I wondered if he thought he’d said too much. Obviously he had, in allowing himself to become the focus.
There could have been issues with him looking in the windows, with his dog ‘routine’, with the noise from the party house, but he claims people “need to stop blaming me for something (missing pronoun) had nothing to do with” , on account of him being an incredibly awkward person. That’s not so, though, is it? He doesn’t seem incredibly awkward, and that is not why some people find him to be of interest. So much minimisation, so much self-concern about how he was perceived, yet he kept going back for more.
What’s “a bunch of normal”? When someone says something like “it was just a normal day” we know it probably wasn’t - but a whole bunch of normal - what’s that, and how did he know so soon in the day, on waking that it was not just normal, but a bunch of normal? It sounds aggressive, somehow. You can’t have a bunch of something unquantifiable, but Jeremy is all for logic.
OT - Jeremy Reagan
He does seem angry, even aggressive, in language for sure.
If he had and/or caused issues with the girls, shouldn’t that fade to insignificance, and be replaced by sorrow and regret upon learning of their murders; if there had been no issues, why is there no expression of horror, outrage - anything, at their young lives brutally ended, at their families and friends having to live with this horror?
Interesting he gives advice similar to that of Keily Rodni’s mother:
Lindsay: “call your mom, go for a walk, pick up a new hobby…”
Jeremy: “With all that said, feel free to go outside, stretch your legs, breathe some fresh air, touch some grass”
Don’t know what to think about that - or this:
“and stop trying to pin this on me simply because I did interviews and didn't fit the exact mold of what you think I should've looked or sounded like. If you think you found the missing link connecting me to the murders, think again because there is no link because I DID NOT KILL ETHAN, XANA, MADISON, OR KAYLEE.”
Are people wondering about Jeremy simply because he did interviews?
What could he mean by “and didn’t fit the exact mold of what you think I should’ve looked or sounded like.” .
Anyone could be forgiven for reading that as an admission, because most people didn’t know Jeremy existed before his interviews, or had any expectations with regard to him - only to what the murderer might like or sound like.
Who said anything about any missing link connecting Jeremy to the murders?
https://www.foxnews.com/us/idaho-murders-suspect-custody-killings-4-university-students-law-enforcement-source-says
Bryan Christopher Kohberger, 28, was being held for extradition in a criminal homicide investigation based on an active arrest warrant for first degree murder issued by the Moscow Police Department and Latah County Prosecutor’s Office.
What a relief!!!
Earlier this year, Kohberger posted on Reddit, asking former prisoners to take part in a research project aimed at understanding “how emotions and psychological traits influence decision-making when committing a crime” and “the story behind your most recent criminal offense”, the Daily Beast reported.
Thanks be to God , and to all the people in all the LE agencies who have worked so tirelessly to find the suspect.
Hopefully the victims’ families and friends will be able to breathe and sleep a little easier from here on.
OT - Bryan Kohberger
It’s difficult to comprehend why alarm bells weren’t ringing with his PhD supervisors at the questions on that survey because he assumes premeditation, and predatory type crimes involving victims/targets of all the respondents, yet the appeal is just general to “ex-cons”, as though the questions will be applicable any/.every ex-con. He had a scary thought process going on there.
What will he say about the murders - a research project?
Why would such a highly educated person commit such a brutish and primitive crime? He’s a vegan, too - so flesh and blood is probably repulsive to him, in any form. Insanity?
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I’m not apologising to or about Jeremy - he was virtually begging to make himself a person of interest, whilst also denying it, and he still has said a lot of questionable things. Maybe over explaining himself out of worry tha he might become a suspect if he spent too much time looking in their windows, knowing when they were getting ready, going out. And what is a bunch of normal, and why does he seem mad about it/them?
This is copy paste of the opening part of Jeremy’s Reddit post
Earlier this year, Kohberger posted on Reddit, asking former prisoners to take part in a research project aimed at understanding
Reddit seems to be popular for college students. Or at least those two.
Or at least for those two.
It’s really mind blowing that Bryan Christopher Kohberger was soliciting criminals online, with perhaps the knowledge of his professors. They did post that the police were looking for the occupant(s) of the white Elantra. Did he find a conspirator?
OT- Bryan Kohberg
There’s a professor on Twitter tweeting “What a bizarre research project. Never should have been approved.”
Someone responds:
Apparently it was IRB-approved and endorsed by two PHD academics in the research field. There's something deeply disturbing about this research and we need to shine a light on it.
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Then there’s argument about the tweeting professor being a bad professor, the survey being typical of qualitative/behavioural research, and that it’s “definitely not bizarre”.
I think some are missing the point. - it’s the assumptions made about ex-cons within the questions, and therefore the thinking of the researcher, which is bizarre. I don’t think you need to be a professor to see that; the format and method of research is commonly used but that doesn’t make the survey contents “typical”.
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I wonder if they’ve been able to interview him, or if he’s lawyered up - he’s probably savvy enough to have lawyered up, though maybe not, as he published that survey.
OT - Bryan Kohberger
CNN
CNN reached one of the principal investigators of the study, a professor at DeSales University, but they declined to comment on the matter. The university has not responded to requests for comment.
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“they”
What else can we do other then cry?
Heroin will make people go into a half sleep, but it will not cause them to murder. A person on heroin would be too out of it to have committed these murders.
Because LE was so successful in catching him, maybe it’s better to not speculate about the crime.
You’re got to love that DNA!
Especially because he asked if any one else was arrested, it shows that he knows why he was arrested.
I wonder when that cross country trip was “planned “, the families statement includes legalize language.
"We have fully cooperated with law enforcement agencies in an attempt to seek the truth and promote his presumption of innocence rather than judge unknown facts and make erroneous assumptions," Kohberger's family said in a statement released by his public defender, Jason A. LaBar.
I missed out that I read that a flight home had been booked for Bryan. I read it before it began to circulate that his father had driven home with him. No source, and I haven’t seen it repeated anywhere since.
OT - Bryan Kohberg’s Professor and the Survey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj3u8qZra5k
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$24,000 for a thirty hour online course - whew!
The professor taught him just one one-hour class and said he was her best student ever, recommended him for his PhD, and then went on maternity leave, never met or spoke to him - so who was his professor for the other twenty-nine hours, or was she still his professor? All seems a bit casual for $24, 000.
The survey is toward the end of the video - it’s longer than the version I saw. Seems good enough, excepting the questions nearer the beginning which seem to assume the type of crime as predatory, of all the participants, regardless of how they had already responded to what type of crime they had committed. I’d say the responses to those questions were his interest - they seem somewhat shoehorned in.
The brutal slayings reportedly didn't stop Kohberger from attending class at WSU's Pullman campus, where he worked as a TA and was described as a tough grader whose disposition and teaching style changed in recent weeks.
"Definitely around then, he started grading everybody just 100s. Pretty much if you turned something in, you were getting high marks. He stopped leaving notes. He seemed preoccupied," Hayden Stinchfield, a student in one of Kohberger's classes, told CNN.
"The couple times that he did come after, or around that time period, he had a little more facial hair, stubble, less well-kept. He was a little quieter."
Jordan Serulneck, 34, the owner of Seven Sirens Brewing Company in Bethlehem, said Kohberger had gone by himself to the brewery a few times and would sit at the bar.
The exchanges at the brewery happened months ago, possibly when the suspect was a student at DeSales University in Center Valley, less than 6 miles south of Bethlehem, Serulneck said. Kohberger received his bachelor's from DeSales in 2020 and completed graduate studies there in June 2022, according to the university.
The brewery sometimes had "unusual characters," which was not out of the ordinary, Serulneck said, but he remembered Kohberger from some interactions he had with female patrons and staff.
Serulneck said Kohberger didn't do anything in front of him or management, but he said he would make comments under his breath or if only one person was working at the bar.
In the bar's system, staff had added notes that would pop up when his ID was scanned, Serulneck said.
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“Staff put in there, ‘Hey, this guy makes creepy comments, keep an eye on him. He’ll have two or three beers and then just get a little too comfortable,'" he said.
Serulneck said Kohberger would ask the female staff or customers who they were at the brewery with, where they lived and what their work schedule was. He said if the women blew him off, “he would get upset with them a little bit,” noting that one time he called one of his staff members a disparaging term when she refused to answer his questions.
Kohberger had not returned to the brewery since Serulneck approached him months ago about the complaints from his staff, the owner said.
“I went up to him and I said, ‘Hey Bryan, welcome back. We appreciate you coming back. … I just wanted to talk to you real quick and make sure that you’re going to be respectful this time and we’re not going to have any issues,'" he said. "And he was completely taken aback. He was shocked that I was saying that, and he said, ‘I don’t know what you’re talking about. You totally have me confused.’”
From nbc
"I'm making no media statements at this time," Ramsland told Newsweek on Monday, without elaborating further.
Kerri Rawson, the daughter of BTK killer Dennis Rader, tweeted after it was reported that Kohberger was taught by Ramsland that "Ramsland has, or did have a close academic relationship and friendship" with her father. Ramsland co-wrote Confession of a Serial Killer: The Untold Story of Dennis Rader, the BTK Killer with him.
Rawson said she thinks that Kohberger's studies may have led him to make contact with her father.
It’s been widely reported that Bryan was severely overweight and bullied in high school, until his senior year, when he was suddenly rail thin and also sickly looking, and suddenly became a bully himself. Also widely reported is that he abused heroin for some period of time.
I’m wondering if his family, “ We will continue to let the legal process unfold and as a family we will love and support our son and brother. ”
got him psychological/ and or medical help during these mental, physical and school problems when he was in their care.
Nick Mcloughlin, who was friends with Kohberger at school told the Daily Beast he was 'stunned' to see his old acquaintance arrested.
Mcloughlin said Kohberger was 'down to Earth,' when he graduated junior year. But at the start of senior year, Kohberger returned 'thinner than a rail,' had turned 'aggressive' and taken up boxing.
Recalling how their friendship soured, Mcloughlin added: 'He always wanted to fight somebody, he was bullying people. We started cutting him off from our friend group because he was 100 percent a different person.'
Kohberger said he has 'no idea' what prompted the sudden change.
Little is known about Kohberger's family. His father, Michael, and mother Maryann, live in the home where he was believed to have been staying when he was arrested.
In 2010, Michael filed a Chapter 7 bankruptcy. It's unclear what he and his wife do for work now.
OT - Bryan Kohberger
One of the friends said he had spent time in rehab, maybe in high school years - very young to have developed a heroin habit.
I’d guess he was somewhat spoiled - if allowed to be “severely overweight” and to develop a heroin addiction, to request that his extended family buy new vegan pans for his visit, to attend three colleges, have use of his mother’s car - and those are just a few things mentioned. It’s so much hearsay. Also hearsay, his mother is a supply teacher, his father a maintenance man. Bryan did kickboxing rather than boxing - who knows, though?
The pan thing is so strange, if true. Maybe he didn’t want to visit so tried to make it expensively awkward, but it does sound somewhat trollish behaviour. I’d want to see the state of the aunt’s kitchen before making up my mind, but either way, it should have been more Bryan or his mother’s problem than the aunt’s - they could take her own pans, or buy new ones while there. Bryan was twenty four at the time. The story could be quite different to how it was presented.
Comments of old friends or students, excepting the old texts between Bryan and the friend he took on a heroin run without her knowledge, have to have been coloured by shock. One of the students said that Bryan was a hard marker and mean, yet when questioned more, had to admit that Bryan had only written nice comments on his work and that he had been given good marks. So, confirmation bias. What would they have said about Bryan three months ago? - probably not the same.
Will we hear Bryan speak - interrogations, at trial, or has he lawyered up?
OT - Jeremy Reagan
Jeremy is scheduled to be on the ‘Analysis of a Crime with CD’ YouTube channel shortly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDKC6uQnVv8
D.M. stated she originally went to sleep in her bedroom ou the southeast side of the seoond floor. D.M. stated she was awoken at approximately 4:00 a-m. by what she stated sounded like Goncalves playing with her dog in one of the upstairs bedrooms, which were located on the third floor. A short time later , D.M. said she heard who she thought was Goncalves say something to the effect of"there’s someone here." A review of records obtained from a forensic download of Kemodle's phone showed this could also have been Kemodle as her cellular phone indicated she was likely awake and using the TikTok app at approximately 4:12 a.m- D.M. stated she looked out of her bedroom but did not see anything when she heard the comment about someone being in the house. D,M. stated she opened her door a second time when she heard what she thought was crying coming from Kemodle's room. D.M. then said she heard a male voice say something to the effect of "it's ok, I'm going to help you."
The male voice wasn’t identified as Ethan’s, whose she would most likely recognize.
DM, in hindsight, realizes her friends needed help.
The unknown male’s words definitely do not fit the reality of horrific murders.
IF there were two murderers, DM could have heard one murderer comforting another; “ It’s okay. I’m going to hell too.”
Pat Diaz, a retired Miami-Dade homicide detective with 35 years of experience, told Fox News Digital Thursday that someone studying for a Ph.D in criminal justice could use that as a legitimate excuse to visit a crime scene so close to home. But Kohberger's alleged ping near the King Road house came at around 9 a.m. on the day of the stabbings -- roughly three hours before police said they received the 911 call.
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All of his prior visits, except for one, were in the late evening or early morning, according to the affidavit.
"Further review indicated that the 8458 Phone utilized cellular resources on November 13, 2022, that are consistent with the 8458 Phone leaving the area of the Kohberger Residence at approximately [9] a.m. and traveling to Moscow, ID," the affidavit states. "Specifically, the 8458 Phone utilized cellular resources that would provide coverage to the King Road Residence between 9:12 a.m. and 9:21 am."
Kohberger was ordered held without bond Thursday for allegedly stabbing Kaylee Goncalves, 21; Madison Mogen, 21; Ethan Chapin, 20; and Xana Kernodle, 20, multiple times. Two of the victims' roommates survived but heard strange noises near the victims' rooms and witnessed a masked suspect that morning.
Why did he return? To look for the incriminating knife sheath? Or to bring an accomplice home?
OT - Jeremy Reagan
I still think it’s strange how Jeremy woke up “to a bunch of normal” - was there something unsatisfactory to him about so much normality?
Bryan Kohberger, according to the affidavit, drove near to the house a few hours after the murders, when there was still no activity as the alarm had not been raised. He was probably not expecting things to still appear normal by then, but the murders were still undiscovered.
I wonder if Jeremy knew, saw or heard anything or anyone in or leaving the house before, during or after the murders. You wouldn’t expect things to be quite so normal all morning if you knew or suspected something had gone on in the house next door last night.
He’s said he has “nothing to hide”, which sometimes a person might say if they are hiding something. I wonder if he saw or heard something which he didn’t report and hasn’t disclosed.
The YouTube I linked in my previous post, in which the host is speaking with Jeremy, is rescheduled for 6th January.
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Anon above - they have said a few times that Bryan acted alone.
OT - Jeremy Reagan
Didn’t Jeremy see that the girls’ front door was wide open when he took his dog out that morning? That wasn’t normal but he did not mention it. Maybe he will talk about it.
Well,you might be scared stiff if you had seen and recognised anyone or their vehicle; you might make yourself high profile and keep stating publicly that you went to bed early and didn’t know anything, and that you had a gun now. Would you not leave town, though, asa, too? - Jeremy stayed on longer than other students.
I think that’s all on Jeremy now - he is interesting, though.
. D.M. then said she heard a male voice say something to the effect of "it's ok, I'm going to help you."
These are the only known words of the murderer.
The unknown male’s words definitely do not fit the reality of horrific murders.
IF there were two murderers, DM could have heard one murderer comforting another; “ It’s okay. I’m going to hell too.”
It seems that many of them were actually awake; DM was woken by What she believed was Kaylee playing with her dog, Xana was having food delivered and playing on tic tok. I’m guessing there were two murderers and that they also used a gun to frighten the students. Why else wasn’t a 911 call made?
And if DM did hear correctly “It’s okay. I’m going to help you.” It certainly couldn’t have been spoken to the victims.
Jesus summarizes His higher standard by stating, “The good person out of the good treasure of his heart produces good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure produces evil, for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks” (Luke 6:45
Thank God google still recognizes a higher standard!
All of us struggle at one time or another in life with why evil happens to someone, either ourselves, our family, our friends, our nation, or perhaps some particularly disturbing instance in the news—a child raped, a school shooting, genocide in another country, a terrorist bombing. The following material is meant to give an overview of the discussion of this issue as it takes place in several circles, especially that of the Christian church.
I. The Problem of Evil Defined
Three terms, "the problem of evil," "theodicy," and "defense" are important to our discussion. The first two are often used as synonyms, but strictly speaking the problem of evil is the larger issue of which theodicy is a subset because one can have a secular problem of evil. Evil is understood as a problem when we seek to explain why it exists (Unde malum?) and what its relationship is to the world as a whole. Indeed, something might be considered evil when it calls into question our basic trust in the order and structure of our world.
It reminds me of Caylee Harrison’s disappearance. And how David Outwater said, according to the reporter, “the ocean is really rough here” when I heard “ Theodician is really raw fear”. Maybe because the ocean was as flat as glass, maybe because he also said “I didn’t want to find anything “ when everyone else was looking for a living little two year old baby. Or it could have been the picture of two men, drawn by her sister of the ones who kidnapped her. We need to listen closely. The truth will come out.
He also said “I know that she is dead”
My deepest apologies
Cayleigh Harrison
Please help find Ayla
IMO this is the man the four year old saw with her little sister.
Dennis Outwater of Rockport said he did his own shoreline search, after hearing that a child was missing.
“I didn’t want to find anything, because I knew she’d be dead,” Outwater said. “The ocean is really rough here.” Boston Herald 4-20-2012
http://www.nas.org/articles/Massachusetts_Association_of_Scholars_Spotlight
"The problem of evil : a comparison of theological and depth-psychological perspectives"
LC control no. 88890220
Type of material Book
Personal name Outwater, Dennis L., 1942- » More like this
Main title The problem of evil [microform] : a comparison of theological and depth-psychological perspectives / by Dennis L. Outwater.
Published/Created 1972.
Description vii, 479 p.
Notes Bibliography: p. 465-479.
Dissertation note Thesis (Ph. D.)--University of Chicago, 1972.
Dennis Outwater of Rockport said he did his own shoreline search, after hearing that a child was missing.
“I didn’t want to find anything, because I knew she’d be dead,” Outwater said. “The ocean is really rough here.” Boston Herald 4-20-2012
“I didn’t want to find anything “ WHY?! Why was he out there? Did he think he may have dropped something earlier in the day?
because I knew she’d be dead, ???!!! Everyone was looking for her, a living little Caleigh Harrison! What knowledge does he have that she’s dead?
“The ocean is really rough here.” Boston Herald 4-20-2012
Or did the reporter hear WRONG?! “Theodician is really raw fear”
Theodician being the state of being evil!
Hey Jude, it’s sort of like how the word normalcy stuck in your brain. My apologies if it is in any way being a troll. I’m haunted and think her sister Lizzies very good witness account to be known.
If you say “Theodician is really raw fear” it may sound like “ the ocean is really rough here” if a person was unfamiliar with the the word Theodician
Because he n that day the ocean was a flat as glass. The newspaper sent out a photographer.
OT - Caleigh Harrison
No-one would be likely to say that, though, even if you heard it that way.
The sea appeared calm, but there were strong undercurrents; it makes no difference as even a calm-seeming sea would take a toddler in a second.
The mother was responsible, whether she really left two tiny children on the beach to climb a sea wall to retrieve a worthless ball, or not. I doubt little Caleigh was at the beach that day.
Who would value a ball over their children? It might ‘work’ as a reason for why the children were not in her sight for some time, but not as a reason for why anyone would leave their children on a beach.
The greater danger would be from the sea, but yet more unfortunately, there’s also a predator who, on an expanse of beach, the mother somehow does not see making off with her child? How long could it take to retrieve a ball? If you did place that much value on a ball, wouldn’t you at least look back over the wall to check the children every couple of seconds?
I couldn’t believe that story in a month of Sundays.
However little Caleigh disappeared, it was at least due to negligence, per the mother. There used to be a video interview overlooking the beach with the mother, but it’s an old case by now - I can’t find it.
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It’s not “normalcy” which stuck in my brain; ‘normal’ or ‘normality’ might, but “normalcy” is American English. It was “a bunch of normal” which struck me because you can’t have a bunch of normal as if it were grapes. It’s like an extreme need to persuade - not just normal, or ‘super’ normal as the language goes these days, but a whole bunch of normal. It was a bunch of normal which struck me, sounds absurd.
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I heard someone say that you shouldn’t describe evil as evil because that’s religious language, as though it is somehow inappropriate. What should it be, then - ‘not nice’, ‘out of character’, ‘personality disorder’…as if that even approaches the reality. These days we prefer to name reactions to unnamed or renamed acts. Horrifying, shocking, devastating. Deliver us from evil, though.
It was “a bunch of normal” which struck me because you can’t have a bunch of normal as if it were grapes. It’s like an extreme need to persuade - not just normal,
Well there were a “bunch “of dead people next door, but no police just the day as it was always, “normal”
And in that Reddit post ,were he says , the guys chin is skinnier then mine, and he’s too tall. Explaining why a person identified as him actually wasn’t him, it also fits with a comparison between him and the arrested Bryan K. I wonder if the weird sounding, “bunch of normal” was when he got dropped off at home. I wonder if he was interviewed for a doctorates school project by Bryan K? Because they’re very similar in looks and interests and in close proximity and both go to Reddit often, and for what sort of use? To vent? To seek out predators? I think there’s a connection between them. I think it was heard by a very frightened friend of the victims. “It’s okay. I’m going to help you “
It would explain “a bunch of normal”. He’s getting dropped off knowing there’s many dead people next door “a bunch” and yet, there’s no police activity. Everything is “normal “. .
OT - Bryan’s Professor
It is one of Bryan’s professors who “has a problem” with the word ‘evil’ - apparently it’s just a brain disorder.
Would such a belief have to ‘exonerate’ Bryan? Not legally, but morally - or was he out to prove her wrong?
Neither?
Will he want to go the Bundy route further along, and insist he is mentally sound?
I can’t imagine a defense not including that he was driven by some disorder.
Did he seek out this professor, not only for her links to BTK, possibly allowing him access, but for her dismissal of ‘evil’?
What if he had not been caught?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIi-ELSRVz0
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Jeremy talked about professors- seemed no particular context for it, must revisit that. I wondered if he had seen Bryan at the back of the house, the parking lot, and mistook him for a professor as he looks much older than his years.
Jeremy didn’t give his interview after all - at least did not speak publicly, though the YouTuber said he spoke with him offline.
Jeremy promised us more interviews - well, not promised. He can’t fear being accused now as Bryan has been caught, and it’s been said repeatedly that he acted alone. Jeremy seemed to enjoy the attention, yet he hasn’t shared his relief? Maybe waiting for a bigger platform, or just not wanting more hassle.
What if two criminals plotted a horrific crime. And they had a bit of sense about not using electronics, especially during and after committing a planned crime, how would they plan ahead to communicate? Especially if one was a seasoned criminal or the dominant criminal. One who might be overheard saying “it’s okay. I’m going to help you.”, to the weaker criminal. How could he get a message to the weak one without using cell towers? What if the dominant criminal decided to put himself in front of news cameras to speak to and reassure the weaker criminal?
News Nation
"There's always gonna be a small contingent that even if the killer is found are still gonna think it's the wrong guy, it was me instead. But I think the overwhelming majority of it will stop, which probably just mean they'll go find someone else. I don't know what their plan is, people just like to do this for fun."
“It was me instead”
“people just like to do this for fun”
This shows closeness, if he had said “that” instead of “this” then it would mean something different. But he said “this” , directly following an embedded statement of “it was me instead ”.
Why did God allow this to happen? I’m certain it’s a great privilege to be an angelic angel. And I know from scripture that Jesus calls the little ones, but the way evil won is distressing. If Bryan doesn’t plead guilty or make a deal the autopsy results will be revealed. And I can sort of imagine what horrific and previously unknown evilness will be revealed. It would be better if Bryan makes some sort of deal to avoid subjecting the victims families and the general public to whatever nightmare he participated in.
Dear Lord God,
Please in all You’re Mighty Goodness, make the guilty person who murdered the young students in Idaho confess. Please spare the grieving families the additional trauma of going through a lengthy trial. Please in the name of your Beloved Son Jesus, give Bryan the courage to confess his horrible sin and to give Xana, Ethan Morgan and Kaylee’s family some immediate relief and closure. They need to grieve. In the name of your precious Son Jesus please
OT - Not Sleeping
Early on it was reported that the victims were sleeping, attacked in their beds. The affidavit shows they all could have been awake. Xana received a food delivery, Kaylee was heard saying that someone was there - to whom would she have said it - to Maddie, also still awake, or to Xana? Sounds of Kaylee possibly playing with her dog - at least something involving the dog. So at least two were awake, and Dylan was also awake, witness to the sounds and to the sight of a masked man dressed in black, exiting the sliding door. Did he know the house - chose that door, knew it was unlocked? No mention of blood or of a knife, but that wouldn’t necessarily be included.
How did he carry his knife away without the sheath - like a madman?
Could only one assailant have killed all four if they all, or even some, were awake?
The front door was open yet the masked man exited through the sliding door. Who opened the front door? Did an accomplice exit that way - was there a sole assailant who opened the front door on his way upstairs in case he needed to run out? Did he open the door to let someone else in? Did Xana not properly close it after receiving her food delivery?
Night burglars sometimes leave their exit door open - they don’t care, and closing it might waken the occupants. So if whoever killed the students left it open, they could have been aware there were more people, who could still be sleeping, in the house.
Bryan “acted alone” could be a ploy - would he balk at an accomplice not sharing his fate, and tell all? Might an
accomplice feel cheated of his notoriety and act out in some way?
Could be that saying the victims were killed while sleeping is a ploy, too - horrific mass murderer is actually a sneaking coward who killed sleeping children in their beds. He is both, as that was no doubt his intention, and some of them might have been asleep.
To say they were all asleep would have spared the parents and families from the full horror in the earlier days, too - and perhaps it looked that way initially, even though they were not all found in their beds.
Maybe Dylan truly did not understand or suspect that any harm had befallen her housemates, or she was separated from her phone and too fearful to leave her room to retrieve it. At some stage she must have had her phone if she called friends over, who called the police - but perhaps the friends came over without being called. Did they find the front door still open?
It does seem incomprehensible that the victims who were awake did not let out some screams or sound - but they could have frozen and not been able.
Sorry for so many posts - not SA.
Kinderszenen, Op.15 (Schumann, Robert) ;
Copy and paste. Kinder means children in German. The parents of the Idaho murder victims are posting photos and memories or their children.
“I miss what she meant to the family," Goncalves said.
21-year-old Kaylee Goncalves leaves a big void in her family.
“Holidays, she was the one who wanted to do the gingerbread houses and pushed it. She knew to make memories, you've got to do this type of thing. We'll miss that gift that she brought to us every single day, and she was a little ornery too. So, we'll miss that as well,” Goncalves said.
Kaylee’s father smiled as he reflected on her love of country music and concerts. Also, her love of her best friend Madison Mogen, whom she grew up alongside, and died alongside.
“I just read a letter where Maddie wrote to Kaylee talking about their friendship and it was powerful. They were beyond sisters, because sisters are kind of forced to get along, these two, they weren't forced,” Goncalves sai
The grieving father says rather than glorifying the suspect, with all the national attention on his case, we have to remember to highlight the beautiful lives lost.
He also feels he has to forgive the person who did this.
“I hope this story here is all about these kids. Otherwise, it's just a cancer inside you. I'm not willing to live with that inside me. We're not going to walk around with darkness in our hearts for the rest of our lives, and have his name written there like a tattoo on our consciousness,” Goncalves said.
Some of the lyrics from the Tyler Swift song
For you, I would cross the line
I would waste my time
I would lose my mind
It s not really music. Especially after listening to Schumann. It’s sort of a weird paced noisy lamenting.
Why didn’t he call his post “I didn’t have anything to do with the crime” or something like that? Why does he chose a horrible song or maybe it was just out of his head, ( though I doubt it, because Taylor Swift is very popular with young people). I think he listens to Taylor Swift when he puts in his headphones at the dog park , one because maybe that’s what his neighbors blasted on their huge speakers, and also to avoid talking to anyone. Why did he use the word “lineup” when saying that although he didn’t know their names, he could identify the other dog owners in the neighborhood. And what about him suggesting that people ask his “one friend”? That’s pretty lame in a college setting. Even for a socially awkward person.
Not SA
I keep looking at the Reddit posts because if there is an accomplice he might post there, and maybe with the heading having something about the number 13 in it.. ugh
People posted about Bryan’s dad , with photos, cleaning up after the FBI raid. And with much pity because he was wearing new balance shoes. Which they all called “dad shoes” I agree.
There were close ups of the FBI taking shoe casts outside of the murder scene which were definitely NOT of a Vans shoe print.
Just saying, there’s another set of foot prints they’re interested in.
I pray they keep up a very large police presence at the university. Especially because Bryan asked if anyone else had been arrested.
Hey Jude, I do not believe the suspect acted al e. Do you?
I think he had an accomplice.
Thanks for what exactly?
OT - Chief Fry
Chief James Fry said, “We believe we have our guy” and he is confident he acted alone.
Might be happier if he had said “I believe” but given it is a team effort, he maybe did not feel comfortable to say ‘I’.
It could be a ploy to throw off guard an accomplice, and it did seem early to rule out any other actors, but we don’t know what they know.
Bryan hasn’t said he didn’t do it - Dylan saw one masked man.
Bryan is a baiter too; he went onto Reddit and solicited criminals to interview. Perhaps he met an actual murderer, and wanted to interview him for book material, like his professor. And because criminals are very sly, he was baited. And went to see/meet the murderer often, and maybe he was invited to participate in a crime. And after the crime was contacted only through the criminals media interviews.
The strange missing link/connection statement he made, too - makes me question if he did know,
Jeremy volunteering that he thought there were only four people living there.,
He may be talking to Bryan, to explain why things went wrong. Especially because Bryan was seen.
And telling him, through an interview, that he was unaware of a dog in the house. Immediately followed by identifying dog owners in a “line-up”.
but only by anyone who knew something bad had happened a few hours earlier. So I continue to wonder about Jeremy -
I do too. Also when the police were looking for the white Elantra they used the plural when saying that the individuals may have important information.
Because Ethan doesn’t really live there and Kaylee had already moved out. She was just returning to show off her car. That makes four people who were there before that night. It would take a lot of spying/stalking to know or make the statement about , only four people lived there.
Kaylee’s dad was on 20/20 tonight. He said that Kaylee complained to him about a stalker, and she felt him following her in a store and at a self checkout. Bryan’s phone pings in Moscow were late at night or in the early morning, near their house. He could’ve been doing interviews in the vicinity of their house. What if he was doing interviews with some criminal who did his Reddit for college survey, and that person did their best to hide their identity from him? Why wasn’t it reported by DM that he had a large knife?
“I went to bed early that night, and then I woke up to a bunch of normal and then a couple of hours later we got a message and there was a bunch of police here,” fellow student Jeremy Reagan said in a report published Tuesday. “And then that was the end of normalcy for the past week or so here.”
Why “that night”? Does it imply that on other nights he’s up late?
A bunch much of normal? Or a bunch of noise?
“And then a couple of hours later WE got a mess(age)
A couple hours after a bunch of normal. Normal for the weekend was loud music.
AND THEN WE who was the WE that he was with when he got a mess(age)?
AND THEN there were a bunch of police.
“I went to bed early that night, and then I woke up to a bunch of normal and then a couple of hours later we got a message and there was a bunch of police here,” fellow student Jeremy Reagan said in a report published Tuesday. “And then that was the end of normalcy for the past week or so here.”
Reagan describes it as a party house.
"There were parties that were kind of loud," he said. "As I would take my dog in and out to go to the bathroom, I would just be walking by, I would look up and I would see people in the windows almost every night, probably four or five nights a week. there were a lot of people that went into and out of that house pretty frequently."
Despite this, the neighbors Fox News spoke with say the victims were respectful.
or SO here.”
“my dog IN AND OUT to go to the BATHROOM “
“there were a lot of people that went INto and OUT of that”
They were stabbed multiple times. A lot of into and out of, in and out. And because there’s some sort of known to psychologists pleasure for a stabbing murder that’s connected to references to the bathroom in SA ,…There it is.
In , out .. like a knife repeatedly stabbing. Describing the action…Into .. out of..
The word “In” is deliberate . I wish Peter would weigh in on his opinion.
there were a lot of people that went into and out of that house pretty frequently."
There were a lot of people( four dead) that (distancing language, perhaps referencing a knife in his hands ),” went into and out of”!!!!is this the crime?
That ( distancing language) pretty (certainly describes the victims) frequently ( maybe speaks to his own behavior with stalking and interviews.
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