Here are the transcripts with a few highlights to help the analysis along.
Analysis Question: Does he reliably report what happened to Pearl, or is there more to the account in which he is not reporting?
PAUL: The day it happened we …. It was a Sunday. Emmm… we were both in the process of getting up, Gem was …. I think Gem was changing or feeding Ace as far as I can recall and then she came ….. again burst in through the door, daddy swings and daddy park, so she daddy swings and daddy park. I was delighted because she never asked me to do that. She never says daddy swings and daddy park. It’s only just .. over the moon and I …..we were up early because I was in rehearsals for a play ..eemmm .. and … errr so part ..(unintelligible) and they start around 10:30 and I said daddy work now and daddy come back and we go to the park with the swings, so I said to Gemma, “I’ll go to rehearsals and get her ready by the time we come back” and we discuss what park and I said take her to the park (unintelligible) you know the big park or there’s a park just up from my mom’s there just at the top of main square. I went to rehearsals. Emm ..I joked with Anthony Van Gogh the writer of the play emm .. because I’ve learnt all my lines and everyone else says and I joked about the fact, I’m too good for this lot. I said can I go early? I said Pearl wants me to take her to the park. I said I’m .. I’m done. I can’t do any more, can I leave. I never leave so early cause it’s a great company and it’s a great cast and we have a good laugh but that day it was so strange because I just wanted to get out to there, like I said knew my bet I want to the park with her. Came home, Gem had her ready peppa coat, peppa wellies peppa jeans the works. Jumped in the truck, off up to my mom’s to get Rolla my Boxer dog. . emm..she went to climb up the stairs and I said “no”, she always / at my mom’s she take like a little drum on to the first step and sits there and taps it and I said no not up the stairs. So it all comes to what if facts. If I hadn’t left rehearsals early, if I let her climb up another step, you know ..aaah
Please note the very lengthy introduction.
Take special notice of any information that appears irrelevant.
Note who is named first in the statement.
Note under what context the victim's name is finally used.
Note the quality of social introduction of Rolla.
GEMMA: because she’s she’s never, to put in context, she’s never here on Sunday afternoon because Paul’s out at band practice or rehearsals whatever. We pack up and probably go out to my parents for the afternoon, because she’s never here.
PAUL: She’s never here, so unusual, she shouldn’t have been here.
GEMMA: She should have been having Sunday dinner.
PAUL: And I said I had Ace, and I said I’m gonna walk him to the park cause Rolla’s so well behaved, he’s he’s always off the lead and Sundays that one is relatively quiet anfd I’ve only got to click my fingers and he’s a well trained dog. My mom hasn’t got a gate on her house. The driveway just come up off on to the pavement from the main road, so like I say, Rolla was off the lead but to heel ..umm.. I have Ace in my left arm and Pearl was walking again to heel cuase she was , she was never one to run, she was only just, she hadn’t been long walking so, you know she was …
GEMMA: She was late to walk, she was 17 months.
PAUL: Ya and it was yeah, she wasn’t one of these children to walk off, she would just walk, she plodded along. She was by my knees and she was only a dot, she’s only a tiny little thing you know and she was on my left hand side and we got 3 foot, 3 feet from the curb and I had Ace here, I transferred him into my right hand, then as I was doing that I bent down to say “daddies hand now, tight tight tight” and my head was like this and I could hear the noise of something and I looked up and I could see this vehicle coming toward us at such a rate and I screamed at the vehicle, I obviously can’t say on camera what I shouted , ummm.. to stop and realised there was nobody in it, let her hand go and grabbed her coat. I threw Ace into the road the vehicle then hit the wall ..umm.. the wall came down and the wall snatched..
GEMMA: You could move her quick enough.
PAUL: So I couldn’t throw her into the road quick enough. The wall took her from me. I can’t say any more.
GEMMA: I was in the retail park buying bedding (pause) such an insignificant thing to be doing and Paul rung me and I thought he said Terry which is Paul’s dad. So I come rushing up from the retail park to the scene where the wall fell expected it to be my father-in-law when it’s Pearl in the road. I got there before the ambulance and anything arrived.
Gemma crying: Ok no I can go on. (responding to interviewer) She wasn’t airlifted, that was widely reported. The air ambulance did come but she went by ambulance but she wasn’t airlifted. (some of this was unintelligible). They worked for ages.
PAUL: They worked on her at the scene for ages. She died in my arms, she died instantly from the incident that I had to drag her from. She was gone in my arms and I had to put her on the floor. But they took her then in the ambulance and we were in the police car that escorted the ambulance. And there was a crash team and all the staff were waiting at the hospital and then the doctor came through then and told us she was no longer with us which I knew anyway because of what I had seen and ..emm.. they proceeded to pump us full of Diazepam because we’re beside ourselves.
GEMMA: They kept Ace overnight for observation.
PAUL: They keep Ace in for obs. And we were all in the same bed together (long pause) through the night.
GEMMA: The staff at Prince Charles were absolutely amazing, they literally cordoned us off, wouldn’t let anyone in. They kept the chapel open for us ..(pause) open till midnight.
PAUL: (beginning is unintelligible, I think parroting Gemma on praising the hospital) between the births and the deaths of our children they’ve been amazing.
GEMMA: They kept the chapel open till midnight err.. didn’t want us to be on our own, they were really awesome.
PAUL: The kindness, the love, the spirit the general coming together of a community through such a tragic circumstance. Somebody actually compared it to Aberfan
GEMMA: (unintelligible) people who could have been from that era (Aberfan disaster). Phone calls from mothers of children who were killed in the Aberfan disaster. Saying “I couldn’t even image how you feel, we had each other. That this happened to your little girl and you’re on your own.” She knows lots of .. she is the same age as my mother. The mothers who lost children in the disaster. Like you know, we can’t even imagine how you are feeling. I went to the Carphone warehouse yesterday to start a phone contract and I had to sit on the floor in floods of tears cause a guy I knew from school I hadn’t seen him since asked me how many children I had instant. You know he didn’t know. I haven’t seen him since I was in school.
PAUL: I was in Kroger (?) getting some stuff for the shop err .. and a little girl coming round the corner in a pink coat pink boots pink hat, I said HIYA HIYA I literally screamed OMG and the mother must have been frightened and grabbed the girl and I had to run around the corner. I couldn’t cope with it and all the little girls the other day in Tesco (?) walking around in their Halloween costumes and stuff it ..I just with that birthday, Gemma said the other day the birthday it’s for hers, her first birthday. (unintelligible) wasn’t here but Christmas
GEMMA: it’s for everyone, it’s his first Christmas.
PAUL: Gotta be strong and entertaining as we can be. (Talking over each other)
GEMMA: It’s not going to shape his life we don’t want him to be the kid who’s sister died. You know he needs as much normality as possible and we are going to strive to do that as much as we can. Christmas is going to be horrendous but it’s not going to be horrendous for him.
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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 434 of 434" I do see what he is hiding"
But you're not looking thru statement analysis lenses, just histrionic man-hating ones.(and no, I'm not your Muslim ex bf)
Paul is deceptive, no doubt.
But your conclusions are not based on SA, rather what you "feel", "see," and "made up from Peter's teachings."
But you're like a deranged energizer bunny, you'll never stop.
But I will now.
Because he needed both hands to throw Ace.
A vehicle that was rolling , without the engine running, would not necessarily make much noise. I find it plausible that Paul didn't notice it until he saw it.
Anonymous @10:02
Respectfully, I will ask you, if it's possible you have a preconceived bias towards what you believe Paul Black represents in terms of culture and societal norms. Although it is somewhat difficult to distinguish multiple Anons, your language oozes with a personal bias based on your perception of "acceptable" behavior and presentation.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Once again.....
Peter Hyatt said...
lol kind of a large hint
“No man should ever have to see that happen to his little girl in front of his very eyes"
'in front of his very eyes' are extra words, unnecessary information - he does not say that he saw it happen, rather that no man should ever have to see that happen.
Did he not witness the wall falling on Pearl? Or does he say it that way for dramatic impact?
Anon 1011,
First of all, I don't hate my Muslim ex-"friend", I will always have a special place in my heart for him.
Second of all, I don't hate men. I do not like humanity as a whole, neither men or women for the most part. You are a woman-hater though, which makes your comments towards me not worthy of my attention because they are so biased.
Third of all, your comments to me are very disrespectful and misogynistic, and frankly, don't deserve a response. I am a highly intelligent person, I am not possessed by hysterical "histrionics", and if I were not a woman, I would have no need to defend myself. I know its very emotionally threatening to you for a woman to be intelligent, creative or skilled at anything (except idolizing you--I'm sure you would find that more palatable), and that is your own problem, and does not even interest me.
In this context, "to heel" is sensitive because it refers to body posture and behaviour.
When I'm training my dog, I practice "heel" with her. Right now, when I tell her heel, she will walk to me and look at me (she's just a puppy). So I wave a treat over her head and direct her with it to come around to my heel, and then I ask her to sit. Then I give her a treat. I tell her to stay, I take a few steps away from her while I tell her over and over to stay. Then I say, "heel" again. If she just stands in front of me and looks at me, I direct her around to my heel with a treat. I'm doing this so that when I am walking her on her leash, she is not pulling me. i.e., If she gets too far ahead and she is yanking me along, I can say "heel" to get her to back off to my heel.
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I think it was the dog who was going to be taken to the park that morning and he was overly excited, off leash and bouncing around in the cab of the truck/being a distraction to the driver (Paul). Being up early is mentioned a few times. I think Paul was up and went out "early" to let the dog run in the park because the park was quiet early in the morning and because Gemma and the kids would be out most of the day and so would he. Pearl most like already had her breakfast and was dressed up (the works) to go to her grandparents.
I would ask Gemma at what time they were usually on the road.
Ima, no, I am not forming any conclusions based on Paul's appearance. It's simply another (separate) thing for me to dislike about him.
Anonymous said:
Give me anything, any reliable statement of her performing an action of any kind.
Unfortunately, Buckley, there are no reliable statements of that kind in the video, and unfortunately, that means ONLY ONE THING.
I agree with your line of thinking because the outcome was Pearl died. There is zero animation or dialogue from Pearl. So, IMO, the question is (based on the fact that there is still a police investigation and the coroner's report is "inconclusive" regards to Paul's story/where and how she was found) *when* and *how*, exactly, was she killed.
Oh my God off topic: I follow Kim Kardashian on FB and I literally just laughed harder than I have in weeks when I just saw her latest "anti-smoking ad" lmfao!!!!!!
Am I crazy or is that the funniest thing ever?!
Its supposed to warn of smoking causing breast cancer like wtf I can't stop laughing at how ineffective the ad is!!!!
Blogger Buckley said...
Nic- I said that over 100 comments ago. Read my whole quote:
He is painting a picture of a responsible father with baby in arm and obedient dog by his side. He wants us to see, in this picture, that Pearl is walking by his side, holding his hand. But linguistically, he hasn't convinced us of this. It doesn't mean she's absent, it means the picture is different from reality.
Yes, I saw this afterwards. I didn't delete my post because there were other things he wants us to believe, but he didn't say. Such as, the wall fell "on Pearl", when he actually said the wall fell.
Paul's story is bullshit. Peter hasn't analyzed it. If he did, he would think so too.
Habundia Awareness said...
@nic.......I don't know automatic cars, but you don't have to put a car in 1st gear to roll down from a steep hill. Seeing the driveway the car rolled-down from it seems like a very steep hil, also the road of the scene lays on a hill, so if the handbrake would not have been set good enough, or be worn out (because of age, 17 years),and somehow snapped.
That's why it would be intresting to know how the car was found.
https://goo.gl/maps/QKBQTKFia9B2
There is a difference between standard and automatic. In an automatic car, if the emergency break failed (which forensics reported it did not) then the automatic transmission still ensures that the car will not move. You literally have to put the key in the ignition of an automatic car and start it before you are able to shift the gear out of park to move the vehicle. Park position locks the transmission, so shifting out of park unlocks the transmission enabling the wheels to move. But you must have the key to turn on the car, first, in order to unlock the transmission.
Having said that, I found this (if you don’t have blocks, you could always use the emergency brake!):
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080813113552AAhRa1l
Best Answer: get under the car after blocking the wheels so it wont roll find the trans theres a cable running to the side of the trans with whats going to look like a switch and a lever dis conect the cable and push the lever till it clicks twice then push away this will put the truck in nultruale then once u get it where u want it push the lever in to park agean and atach the cable
Source(s):
i am a heavy diesel mechanicfor the army
have run tow truck and recovery trucks and repos and impounds with out keys
I am dutch so my English classes didnt go that far into language ruling but i have to agree that 'to' also can be used for non verbs
I said take her to the park
This sentence is weird too.
He wanted to take her to the park but this quote suggests that Gemma would go to the park (or do i read wrong? )
Analysis Question: Does he reliably report what happened to Pearl, or is there more to the account in which he is not reporting?
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There is much missing information, and he does not reliably report what happened to Pearl.
Pearl is not reliably placed at his mother's house - neither is he.
He does not say that the wall fell on Pearl, or that he saw the wall fall on her - rather he says, ''the vehicle then hit the wall' - 'the wall came down' - 'the wall snatched' and 'the wall took her from me' . I think his descriptions there are passive sounding.
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He said to the writer of the play that Pearl wanted him to take her to the park, he also said he wanted to get to the park with her - he didn't say that he was actually going to take Pearl to the park, only that was what she, and he, wanted. I wonder was it an excuse to leave early?
He said to Gemma to have her ready, and he would take her 'with him' - it sounds as if he was intending to go somewhere in addition to the park, and he would take Pearl with him, rather than that going to the park was the priority and reason for coming home early.
"Came home, Gem had her ready - Peppa coat, Peppa wellies, Peppa jeans, the works. Jumped in the truck - off up to my mum’s to get Roller, my boxer dog" - by the lack of pronoun he doesn't commit himself to coming home, jumping in the truck or going off up to his mum's to get his dog - he does not say if Pearl and Ace were with him.
He says she (Pearl?) went to climb the stairs and he said no. He does not say where the stairs were. The impression she was at his mother's house is created by his saying she likes to tap a drum on the step when she is at his mother’s house. He did not say he took Pearl or Ace to his mother's house - he says 'jumped in the truck'.
He absents himself here also: ‘um, realised there was nobody in it, let her hand go, and grabbed her coat,’ - it's unreliable.
Hey Jude says,
He says she (Pearl?) went to climb the stairs and he said no. He does not say where the stairs were. The impression she was at his mother's house is created by his saying she likes to tap a drum on the step when she is at his mother’s house. He did not say he took Pearl or Ace to his mother's house - he says 'jumped in the truck'.
I think this is where the dog/the behaviour of the dog (to heel) is sensitive in Paul's mind. The way Paul presents what happened that day, the dog is "well trained" to heel. All he has to do is click his fingers. But he is also lumping Pearl in with "listening" to his command/responding to his command. i.e., to heel and "sit" or "stay" (on the bottom step).
When at her grandmother's, Pearl knows she is to sit on the (bottom) step. She has a drum she taps while she sits on the bottom step. This is how she is "trained" to behave when outside at her paternal grandmother's. (Probably her grandmother can "hear" that she is on the step and if the drumming stops, she knows Pearl has moved?) Since the grandmother does not have a gate, then safety is an issue while Pearl is outside at her paternal grandmother's.
Paul is clear about his regret of not letting Pearl sit higher on the stairs. But whose stairs? He doesn't say Pearl was sitting on his grandmother's step that day. He just reports what she is "trained" to do and the result (she "stays"). Do they have a drum for her to tap when sitting on the bottom step at home? If the accident happened at home, was because he employed Pearl's "behavioural training" used when at grandma's house with the expectation she would behave the same way? (That she would "stay"?). Would he be able to "see" Pearl on the bottom step from the cab of his truck with a rambunctious dog wanting to go to the park for his morning run? It sounds like Paul was afraid she would fall and hurt herself from a higher step (reference the "what if" regret he articulates if he had let her sit higher up.) hence is gave the command "no" and then went into what happens at grandma's house.
Getting the dog at Paul's mom's place comes out of the blue in the story. His mom's place is (I read up thread,) three doors away from the wall. So why would sitting on the bottom step at his mom's place, three houses away from the scene, put Pearl in proximity to the falling wall? There is no movement from the grandmother's bottom step to the accident scene. But he had to have a reason to be at his mum's ("to get Rolla, his boxer dog"). The dog didn't do anything wrong. The dog listens to "daddy".
It's easy to verify whether Paul left early from rehearsal. I think it would have been reported otherwise and he would be under investigation had he lied about leaving early from rehearsal or not showing up at all.
Does Paul know his mom's neighbour's? Does he know the house occupant who owns that car? Have there been prior incidents of run away cars? If Pearl died at home, then it's sounds like a quite an ordeal to coordinate/orchestrate in such a short period of time, on his/their own.
I posted this before, but there is a known defect in this model.
"1999 Land Rover Range Rover POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION
NHTSA Campaign #00V377000
Date Announced:
NOVEMBER 16, 2000
Vehicles Affected:
59,445
Summary: Vehicle description: Certain sport utility vehicles fail to comply with the requirements of FMVSS no. 114, "theft protection." Water contamination of the automatic transmission oil can lead to various failure modes of the transmission. One of these failure models results in incorrect operation of the park lock function that could allow a vehicle to roll away if parked without the handbrake properly set.
Consequence: Unintentional vehicle movement could result in a crash or personal injury.
Actions: Dealers will check the park lock function; reposition the automatic transmission breather tube; and test the automatic transmission fluid and flush if necessary. For detailed information & supporting documents, see the official NHTSA page concerning recall #00V377000 »"
https://www.carcomplaints.com/Land_Rover/Range_Rover/1999/recalls/
This is an interesting point about the closet to consider as to what really happened to Pearl
Might he have said he was walking to the park, with Pearl 'to heel', and also walking Ace, in order to cover for a few moments negligence when Pearl wandered out of the house and garden while he was putting Ace into the truck or car? Realistically he was unlikely to have been walking two babies and a dog to the park, without a pushchair.
Closet - the interior of a car is somewhat like a closet when you're half-in seeing to baby seats.
@ mom2manny,
It could be why they are considering laying charges against the car owner. If the recall wasn't performed (easily verified electronically as the recall work is attached to the VIN# and reported on by the garage/dealership) then he could be held liable. The police investigators did report that the only thing not secure was the door locks so "something" was to blame for the car rolling downhill and hitting the wall.
Nic,
That makes sense. I suppose they would need to interview the owner to track down service records, which could explain the delay in deciding on charges when they have reported being unable to interview him.
I don’t know Nic, I was trying to answer the analysis question
There is too much time within his account of seeing the car coming towards them and it hitting the wall - I think that would put him further from the scene than he says.
I wonder if he had left Pearl sitting on the stairs with her drum, with the front door open, while he put Ace into the vehicle. If Pearl toddled off, maybe following the dog - if he was half in the vehicle fastening in the baby when he heard the wall come down - realised Pearl was not on the stairs or in the garden, grabbed the baby and ran up round the corner to the wall. In those circumstances he would have had quite a few seconds in which to panic and swear enough for it not to be repeatable. He may have turned his head to the sound of the vehicle hitting the wall while he was leaned into the vehicle putting the baby in - someone said his body language indicated he might have been in a closet - was he perhaps leaned into to the vehicle? The lack of a pushchair makes it seem unlikely he was on his way to the park - if he was preparing to go there, that could account for him having the baby, the dog, and Pearl with him without also a pushchair.
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What I wondered was if he left the front door open with Pearl on the stair with her drum while he was going to put Ace into the truck - if actually he intended to take them in the truck to the park - or maybe in a family car? - (can a truck accommodate two baby seats?) Pearl might have followed the dog out of the garden - he might have realised she stopped tapping the drum, looked up and seen her up by the wall just as the Range Rover rolled down, raced up with the baby in his arms, and laid the baby in the road while he pulled Pearl from under the wall. The pavement likely would have been covered in bricks, so he would have no choice but to lay the babies in the road.
If it happened that way, he would’ve had time to swear enough as he ran up to the wall, also could account for his seeming to someone upthread that he was in a closet - he could have been leaning in to the vehicle to see to the baby and seats, and looked up when he heard the impact of the Range Rover bringing down the wall. It’s difficult to make sense of why he would be out with the babies and dog and no pushchair if he were going to (or returning) from the park - a scenario like that could account for it. What say, he had looked up, and seen Pearl ‘plodding’ up the pavement after the dog, and didn’t react straight away - it was relatively quiet up there on Sundays - maybe called the dog, thinking Pearl would follow the dog back to him, but she didn’t. If it was something like that the guilt would be enormous - he might prefer to say she was right there at his knee, and that he threw his baby into the road in his desperation to save her from the fallen wall, when already she was under it. Not saying it happened that way, rather thinking round the possibilities and how what he says might be to cover for a few moments negligence.
Not SA - I don’t even hear him say that he, or Pearl, or Ace were at the grandmother’s house - not to say they were not, but he skips time and doesn’t make clear if actually they were.
He and Gemma reportedly live in a bungalow, also on Heolgerrig - bungalow, no stairs. Maybe a dormer bungalow, though which do have stairs. Or misreporting - though if they also live on Heolgerrig, it would account for Gemma saying she shouldn’t have been on Heolgerrig, she shouldn’t have been here. It’s a long long street, they might live half a mile or more from the grandmother. Must be some distance, to take the truck rather than walk.
Are we to presume that Paul and Gemma each drive their own vehicle? (He drives his truck to rehearsal while she and the kids should have been driving down to her parents.) So two sets of car seats? One set for her car and one set for his?
Did someone say up-thread that they saw a FB pic of Paul's (brown) car and that it would be very crowded? I took it to mean that there was only bench seating (no back seat) in his truck.
In any event, if there is only one set of car seats in her car, why would he not just take her car. Is this why he is is walking the kids and dog, without push car, to his mom's instead of driving? But he at one point is in the car, presumably with kids and car, although he does not report buckling anyone in.
I'm not familiar with Ireland's traffic laws. However, in N.A., it's illegal to drive with the kids not securely fastened into a car seat or bumper seat - be it a bucket seat in reverse position, or after a certain height and weight, a car seat in front position, or a bumper seat up to a certain height and weight (and age). They cannot sit in the front until they are 12 years old, let alone be without a seatbelt.
Hey Jude said,
if actually he intended to take them in the truck to the park - or maybe in a family car? - (can a truck accommodate two baby seats?)
You and I are wondering the same thing. He doesn't reference the family car which I presume has the car seats in it (or even transferring the seats from the car to the truck). That is, unless both have car seats.
Something else to consider, the accident is reported happening at 1:39pm. There are hours of time "missing". Rehearsal was at 10:30, so he had to leave before then. And he said he left from rehearsal, not early, but "so early". So did that get him home before lunch? Did he take the kids and dog to the park right away when he got home and if so, that is a long time to spend at the park with two kids under two. No lunch and at 1:39, it would be time for the kids' afternoon nap.
I can understand that area being quiet on a Sunday morning. But by 1:39, wouldn't people be up and about? Gemma said she came from the retail park and arrived even before first responders or air ambulance. So there has to be activity around the area. Not that a father walking his kids and dog to/from the park would be extraordinary. But if there was a man running around swearing followed by a vehicle crashing into a wall, wouldn't someone have see and/or hear this?
Peter has analysed the interview, Nic - new post.
It looked to me like a truck with a back seat. And the dog was bigger than I envisioned.
The dog is enormous - why would you have that dog walking at face height beside your unpredictable toddler? And, as Tania wondered earlier, why was the dog living at his mother's? Rolla maybe was known to not be safe around children, or Gemma would not risk having him at home round the babies, just in case, no matter how good his temperament.
I wonder about his sobriety for sure. Some will twist the word sobriety to include one substance but not others.
the dog BURST to the gate to the road..so the little Pearl run behind...
oh oh....gem arrived before ambulance and so...that means...they were both there...what about the vehicule that was parked and had breaks on?..BUT that vehicule wasnt door lock...this is his mom's neighbor...he knows the doors are unlock...one took of the brakes..and put it back right after the collision...it wouldnt look suspicious if someone saw him( trying to turn the wheel.)..but in fact he may just steping out the vehicule..
he threw Ace into the road....did the baby had some scratch? was he crying?..who took the baby while he was going at his daughter?
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