Friday, June 19, 2015

Discussion: Why So Much "Fake Hate" Lately?

She's a girl.  Really.  She really is. 

For Discussion: Why is "Fake Hate" seemingly so popular today?

 Who are the targets?

 Who are the victims?

 What crimes may those who perpetrate "fake hate" are being committed?

 What consequences await those who perpetrate "fake hate"?

Please choose a user name as the chat room will  remain open for the day.


30 comments:

Anonymous said...

If people who commit "fake hate" crimes (and go public with the alleged, which for me, takes some b***s knowing that they may be caught out and face LE consequences let alone the backlash from genuine gay community) what else or who else have they lied, swindled, not only for money but to colleagues, family and friends.

This goes deeper than just to garner sympathy and money. Have they in the past been rejected by their parents, relationships, peers, school friends etc. I believe money is not the only incentive, but also seeking personal attention, wanting to be recognized.

As the old adage goes "Any attention, be it negative or positive, is better than no attention at all"

Anonymous said...

The recent Comments at http://www.gofundme.com/x6dkw9h have turned for the better....

Still no proof that any neighbor put this up. She's scamming you people.

"If this person had even a SHRED of morality, she would have, at the very least, shut down her collection at FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS, and yet she is still allowing for so much fncking more to trickle in. Our society is absolutely sick. What is wrong with you that you cannot see this yourself! What you are giving for! It's not as if she offered to divert the rest to a charity!!! It's for HER."

and my favorite....

"Is no-one curious as to why the letter from "neighbours" and Julie Baker's gofundme account both have gratuitous use of random capitalisation between the both of them? Am I the only person who has noticed this? Don't you think that that is a little questionable? As in, I don't know, maybe the letter actually originated from Julie Baker's hands? "Your yard is becoming Relentlessly Gay!" "...you Tone It Down." "...make my Home even More..." "...Rainbow Roof!" "...Relent to Hatred." I mean, who types like that anyway? That aside, over $30k to troll supposedly bigoted neighbours? After she initially asked for $5k, which is itself too much money for what it is ultimately required for? Are you people not ashamed??? That money should be going towards actual work that is going to help LGBT+ people." --- You people are donating nearly 31 THOUSAND FREAKING DOLLARS to this ONE FREAKING PERSON for WHAT?! To accomplish WHAT exactly??? ARE WE SERIOUS HERE?! ----- David Ashman -- "This is not legit. This is very potentially FRAUD and breaking the law. http://imgur.com/vyzHQKL Look at this. Does this seem like a legitimate 'letter' to you? Notice that it is overcapitalized and emphasis is given in ridiculously provocative instances, JUST LIKE THE INFO GIVEN FOR THIS Gofundme CAUSE. The person even 'censored' the name of their street in the actual printout -- what real neighbor would decide to write a letter to another neighbor and decide to censor their own street name?? Please, stop giving money to this ridiculous exploitative crime which is making money through riling you up with passive-aggressive bullshit. No, I am not homophobic or against the actual idea of the cause. I would probably paint my fence in rainbows or something if I actually received a REAL letter similar to this (I'm gay and feel strongly about equal rights!)- but I would not ask for money for it. That's downright disgusting. This is not a charity. Regardless of whether this is legitimate or not, this is utterly SELFISH. PLEASE DO NOT FUND THIS. You are more than likely putting money into some fraudster's pocket. $30,000??? For a f*cking roof? People are dying of disease, poverty, war, drought all over the world and you're donating so that somebody can buy some paint?? PLEASE CONSIDER WHAT YOU ARE DOING. This is WRONG. " --- Stop giving these people your freaking money. She does not need thousands of fncking dollars to do up her yard with all of the serious shit going down in the world that actually needs attention! You people are unreal! It's okay to say enough is enough at some point! She wanted $5k, she's got over six times that. ENOUGH!!!

Matt Whan said...

@Anon 2:22pm.

I know what you mean, I saw the same thing. Habits are habits, if someone writes a certain way, it will show up whether they're handwriting or typing on a computer.

Very sketchy indeed, good catch

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tania cadogan said...

This is simply another scam. This is not a genuine hate letter, it was written by the woman herself in all likelihood to get money. If you read the letter and her statements here, there are strong similarities in typing style and languagem especially the capitilaztion of words not at the start of a sentence. An expert in statement analysis has looked at both the letter and her statement here and like me and others, has concluded deception by the lady concerned. I suspect she saw a bandwagon of hate mail and jumped on it. However those who write fake hate mail, fake assaults etc always get found out. The police will be involved but they will not be looking for a non existent hater, they will be looking at who wrote the letter and filed a false police report. Consequences can involve large fines and jail time which never looks good on any resume. When asked why you have a criminal record, filing a false police report and fraud usually means you are not hired or limited in the type of job you can get. I am always happy to support and advice genuine victims of crime. I get a tad crabby when i see fake hate mail claim and faked assaults and filing of false police reports. All that she has achieved is genuine victims of a hate crime are disbelieved. I have also reported this page to the gofundmesite as fraudulent. I suspect the police will also be involved. There is nothing in the letter to indicate hate, none of the expected words or name calling. Ask yourself why someone would complain about a bunch of colored garden lights, they wouldn't. This however does smack of anti Christian rhetoric. and a way to get free money at the expense of someone else. before you donate to this fraud, if you wish to read a detailed analysis of why this is fraud and a scam and why there was no hate letter please visit http://statement-analysis.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/fake-hate-scam-relentlessly-gay-and-go.html Statement analysts are more reliable than any polygraph. You may be able to fool a polygraph machine, you can never fool a statement analyst. BTW honey. if Police ask you to take a polygraph to clear you of any involvement, knowing they also read Peter Hyatt's blog and they are also familiar with the principals of statement analysis and getting to the truth or the lie, what will your response be? You are not the first to be found out as deceptive, nor will you be the last it is time to come clean before the hole you are digging for yourself gets too deep for you to be able to get out

tania cadogan said...

The above was posted by me on her gofundme page. ;)

Anonymous said...

Ha. Funny.

The note can be taken at face value or made into whatever one wishes to read into it, including bad penmanship, sheer ignorance, or misuse of capitalization.

Whoop-t-do. I don't see where she scammed anybody, unless she lied about ever having found the note in the first place or possibly wrote it herself or had someone else write it. Whatever, however. It worked. She asked for money to add more gay decorations to her yard and to paint her roof and she got it. Considerably more than she asked for. Where's the scam in this?

People can do whatever they want too with their own money. They don't seem to care one way or the other if her note is authentic or if she is outright lying. They fell for it, sending her oodles of cash. Git over it. Seems to me like we have a few here who are green with $ envy.

Matt Whan said...

Yep, that's exactly it. Overflowing with envy. Except for one problem: those of us who actually work for a living are offended when people cheat, lie, and steal their way into a lavish lifestyle. But you're absolutely right, I must be green with $ envy, despite being proud of everything I've accomplished in my life, the honest way.

Tell me: do you also have the same mindset whenever you get an email saying you're the beneficiary of a large sum held in South Africa. Or what about the one where scammers called elderly folks claiming to be their grandson/daughter who got into a bad car accident and need money.

The two are one in the same wherein people prey on the naïveté of others, giving no thought to the repercussions, or the impact they are having on someone's life.

But you're absolutely right, Anonymous. Envy. That's what it is.

Nic said...

A new baby to the Hyatt Clan? Adorable!

Why so much hate? I think it's always been there. It's just been seething below the surface. I think that given the combination of the internet and cell/iPhone and evolving banking technology, (less 'control' by the banks over the flow of money,) together it has made it easier for the scammer to be able to tap into a money source than ever before. That plus the fact that given we're on the other side of the 2008 crash where everyone was 'in it' because of Wall Street, people are being 'groomed' via the media to share their riches. Human interest STORIES like these find their way 'trending', outside traditional media and in the social network arenas, first, and they grate on the conscience of the bleeding hearts. Compound interest by traditional media outlets who watch what is trending and they picking up the STORY, and you get, "guilt the gift that keeps on giving". A Paypal button takes care of that real quick. jmo

Nic said...

Further to above, everyone has a computer and access to their accounts. It's not like before when you would have to write a cheque and mail it, or get in the car and go to the bank. Impulse is the name of The Game, now. It's not like before when you would announce to whomever around you that you had to go to the bank to (fill in the blank). There was always that secondary party conscience providing some sort of feedback/reaction. Now it's just you, a story and a click of the button.

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Nic said...

One more thought. On notoriety (one's desire to be famous). iPhones and YouTube mean that anyone can be "famous" if they're outrageous or talented enough. There have been more than one 'star' discovered on YouTube, i.e., Justin Beiber to name but one.

Do you remember the program America's Funniest Home Videos? People started staging their "funny" videos with the intention of getting on the program to win money. I remember Bob Saget pointedly stating during a program that such videos would not be considered and requested people to stop putting their friends and family in harm's way.

Scammers, scammers everywhere.

tania cadogan said...

She is even in the Snopes site and they aren't buying it either judging by the comments :)

tania cadogan said...

https://www.facebook.com/julie.baker.9028

Sara said...

To Anon addressing Hobs--
So Hobs is 4'14"? Is that the same as 5'2"? But, what, 4 foot sounded even better? Lol. Why? Because you wanted to call her a "little" busybody? So you needed for her to appear as "little" as possible? You're pathetic. Trying to get a personal digg in, assuming that at 5'2" she Must have some issue with her height. Lol. So I'm gonna analyze you as short and hating yourself over it. Grow up! (pardon the pun)

tania cadogan said...

Anonymous it appears you have a sense of humor failure.

I pointed out my height 5'2 in a comment several years back and another commentator rephrased it as 4'14 as a joke.
I liked the term, it made me laugh, it appealed to my sense of humor.
I wonder why you are so fixated on the 'in joke'

It seems you are taking it way too seriously, instead you use it as an intent to belittle and demean me, still if it keeps entertained please continue, you amuse me.

I wonder why you introduced the phrase "goddess of all honesty and ligh"t, noting of course the qualifier all.
Why the sensitivity?
I wonder what you are doing given the people i have emailed are liars and con artists?

Are you perhaps one of those who believe everything and throw money at them perhaps because you are buying into the drama literally?

Have you perhaps thought of doing it yourself?

Have you been caught out in a whopper and now feel resentment against those who point out loudly the truth of the lie?

Have a nice day though



Anonymous said...

@ Hobs

As they say "words do not come from a vacuum" :)

"the truth of the lie?

Gonçalo Amaral’s book. I highly recommend it.

Anonymous said...

Oh my! Now we've got a little fake hate/poor me puppet show.

How about some SA exercises, Peter? Please!

tania cadogan said...

Hi Anonymous, I have read it.
It is an amazing book and it gives good insight into his thinking.

The mccanns are involved in the death of Madeleine McCann, they have both told us as has Clarrie that Madeleine is dead.

Dr Amaral allows for it to be an accidental death, i disagree.
Kate told the world the Portuguese don't want a MURDER in their country

Murder was on her mind when she spoke using the proces of free editing.

Right there she tells us it was no accident.

I do not know if it was premeditated murder or whether it was negligent homicide in that Madeleine died acidentally as result of an action done to her.
If, for example, kate lashed out in a frenzy and killed Madeleine, the death was not premeditated, it was a result of what happened.
The same if Madeleine died as a result of sexual abuse, her death was perhaps an unexpected result of the action against her.

Whatever happened, it meant blood was spilled, as was seen behind the sofa.
This would fit in with either the frenzied attack or the sexual abuse.

It would also explain why they could not allow for her body to be found anytime soon or allow an autopsy to be performed.

There would be evidence on the body that would reveal a non accidental death.
Perhaps they could have blamed it on the faked abductor if the injuries were recent.

This makes me think though, why the desperate need to avoid her being found quickly since any injury could be blamed on the paedophile abductor?
Perhaps there were signs of older injuries or abuse that could not be blamed on a recent abduction?

This would explain why they refused the medical records to be released.

If there were signs of old or healed injuries it would be expected that they would have taken her to ER or to their GP, their GP says he saw Madeleine infrequently if at all.
This would them imply the mccanns were self treating and medicating Madeleine and that is a huge no no for the GMC.

One of the tapas7 even admitted with all the doctors there they could have RESUSCITATED A CHILD

Another spoke of Madeleine being BUMPED ON THE HEAD as opposed to bumping her head.

Was it a result of kate j killing Madeleine in a frenzy or was it deliberate?

Anonymous said...

Maybe another one?

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Atlantic-County-Garbage-Truck-Noose-New-Jersey-Egg-Harbor-Township-Police-308654421.html

MaryLibrary said...

Why does Goncalo Amaral have a gofundme drive for legal defense? Does it relate to his conviction for falsifying evidence?

tania cadogan said...

Hi Mary.

The gofundme page was created by Leanne Baulch to raise funds for Dr. Amaral's appeal against the mccann's.

He was found guilty of falsifying evidence in a case where the three accused officers were not found guilty of the alleged torture.

he was found guiltyof falsifying evedence of a crime that did not occur.

The alleged victim leonor cipriano couldn't even get her story straight and she either attempted to throw herself down the stairs in a suicide attempt 9given the charges she was facing , this is no suprise or she was assaulted by other prisoners, again this is no surprise given the charges against her.

Since in the initial case against him and the book was banned it was appealed up to the supreme court who found in his favor and unbanned his book.

To everyone surprise the lower court in the damages trial decided to ban the book again, going against the supreme court ruling.
The court also ruled that the majority of the mccanns claims against Dr. Amaral were unfounded, and those that were proved were monor, such as the alleged distress.

Since at the moment his accounts are still frozen , leanne decided to start a go fund me page for Dr Amaral to help with his defence .

She like so many of us know the mccanns are guilty of homicide, filing a false police report and concealing a cadaver.
The mccanns have told us themselves Maddie is dead.
They never physically searched for their missing daughter and did everything one would expect of guilty parents trying to void justice, up to and including suing the now ex detective who was tasked with finding their daughter.

Dr. Amaral has, unlike the mccanns, never dought or asked for any financial help.
Any donations he has received, including from me, has been willingly donated to get justice for a little girl, killed abd disposed of by her own parents.

MaryLibrary said...

Hi Tania

Goncalo Amaral has been found by multiple courts of law- both civil and criminal- to be a liar. His men beat a confession out of a mother whose little girl was killed. They weren't convicted because they put a bag over her head and couldn't identify them.

"Fell down a flight of stairs" is a common excuse abusive men use to explain a woman's injuries. "Can't get her story straight" = during the beating she confessed and the next day she retracted it.

It was a lie, their supervisor, Amaral, engaged in covering it up, which was proved in a court of law.

He botched both investigations of young-girl abduction. He botched the McCann case, in part, by leaking false information about forensics reports to media. British media who have since both corrected and been fined, from multiple court cases, for reporting the erroneous theories Amaral and/or his men, fed them.

Here's the truth of the lie: Goncalo Amaral and the McCanns can both be liars, but those habitually out to get the McCanns, right or wrong, damage their own credibility and objectivity by defending this corrupt ex-cop who has repeatedly been proved a liar in courts of law and the media.

I get it though- the general public learning the truth about Amaral brings up difficult questions about his effectiveness and the veracity of the evidence. Either the McCanns and 7 other adults hid a corpse undetected by Amaral for nearly a month, or someone with access planted that evidence in the car and apartment. The more I learn about him, the more the latter seems quite plausible. Thanks for prompting me to research the facts.

Also, that yet another court found Amaral to be a liar is not "to everyone's surprise."

tania cadogan said...

Hi Marylibrary, initially she claimed she could identify them and she could see the clock, when she failed to identify the alleged attackers she then claimed she had a bag over her head.

Dr.Amaral was found guilty of perjury for falsifying documents in the case, interesting since the 3 alleged attackers were found not guilty of the allaeged assault.
In other word Dr. Amaral was found guilty of perjury in a crime that did not take place.

Leonor's own brother admitted When he was asked if he had sexually abused her, he said, "I did not harm her, I only killed her."

If you are familiar with SA you will see this is an unreliable denial, he minimises the sexual assault to harm.
He does not say he did not sexually assault or rape her.

What is known about leonor cipriano

Leonor cipriano only reported to Police her daughter has disappeared two days after she allegedly vanished

The body of Joana Cipriano was never found, but samples of her blood were found in her mother refrigerator

Her mother justified those samples of blood admitting she had beaten Joana, for some reason, she was hurt and she blooded from her nose

Leonor Cipriano and her brother, who had a incestuous relationship, were sentenced to 16 years in jail, for the murder of her daughter and niece.

Before the trial, Leonor Cipriano accused five CID officers of beating her, trying to extract a confession. She named the five CID officers, and included Chief-Inspector Gonçalo

The Public Prosecutor’s Office opened a criminal investigation and ordered a police line-up, with the CID officers named and accused by Leonor Cipriano of beating her

The line-up took place with leonor cipriano behind a two-way mirror and she couldn’t recognize any of the aggressors

The Public Prosecutor’s Office magistrate that was in charge of the criminal investigation decided to accuse the five CID officers, but didn’t mentioned, in the accusation sent to the Court, that leonor cipriano couldn’t identify any of the aggressors, in the police line-up

Leonor cipriano never confessed the murder of her own daughter. Her brother, in a letter written from jail, accused leonor cipriano of selling her daughter

Police were convinced (and the jurors at the trial found enough evidence to pass a verdict of guilty) that leonor cipriano and her brother were found, by Joana, having sexual relations, when she came home, back from the groceries shop. As leonor cipriano had a lover, at the time, they were afraid she would tell him what she saw

They beat her, in order to frighten her and keep her mouth shut up

Perhaps accidentally, they beat her so violently that they killed her. So, they decided to get rid of he body and cut it in pieces, keeping some of them in the freezer, while they gave the other pieces to be eaten by pigs (this is what police believes is the strongest possibility, because there was no other trace of Joana Cipriano, unless the blood samples in her mother freezer…)

tania cadogan said...

cont.

Ask yourself what you would do if your child went missing, abducted by a paedophile and you were not involved.
This is the expected.

Now ask yourself what you would do if you were guilty of killing your child, perhaps accidentally and didn't want to get caught.
This too is the expected.

Innocent people act one way.
Guilty people act one way

They are mutually exclusive.

You are a mccann supporter i presume since like many of their supporters they try to introduce the leonor cipriano case.

What you should do is ask yourself why kate refused to answer 48 questions despite admitting it would hinder the search?

Why they never physically searched.

Why they dumped their children in the creche every day despite the possibilty a creche worker may have been involved.

Why they refused to do a police reconstruction.

Why blood and body fluids were found in the apatment and hire car and why cadaverine was detected in the apartment, hire car, kate's pants, a child's red t shirt and cuddlecat.

Why they went jogging instead of searching.

Why they and their family and friends lounged around the pool and had a party.

Why kate said of her 500 mile bike ride to help missing people that "it won't help Madeleine."

Why kate , gerry and clarrie have admitted maddie is dead and one of their friends told us there were emough doctors who could resuscitate a child and another who told us she had been bumped on the head and finally gerry telling the world kate killed Maddie in a frenzy before they dumped her remains.

MaryLibrary said...

Here's what one of the three "innocent" officers has been up to in the meantime. But aside from theft, kidnapping, and looking for victims, he had leadership in a "missing children's" group. Kidnapping...missing children...forged warrants. Interesting.

http://theportugalnews.com/news/ex-pj-detective-and-madeleine-book-author-arrested-on-a-series-of-charges/34181

Former Polícia Judiciária (PJ) detective and ex-Sporting Vice President Paulo Pereira Cristovão was this week arrested on a number of criminal charges, which include kidnapping and robbery. He gained widespread prominence after authoring a book, Estrela da Madeleine (Madeleine’s Star) in which he analyses the disappearance of Madeleine McCann from her holiday apartment almost eight years ago.

Paulo Pereira Cristovão was arrested this week as his former colleagues drew nearer to concluding an investigation
initiated in July 2014 related to a series of criminal charges. Up until this week, investigations had resulted in the arrest of 12 people, including three PSP police officers.
Cristovão, also a former president of the Portuguese Association for Missing Children, has been linked to these 12 suspects and is said to have worked on “identifying potential victims who would then be robbed inside their homes.

These robberies would be undertaken by police officers simulating house searches, armed with forged legal warrants. On occasion, these searches would be conducted by officers dressed in their respective uniforms”, culminating in robberies, PJ sources said, following the announcement of Cristovão’s arrest.

Police further explained that these crimes took place in the Greater Lisbon Area and Setúbal to the south, with the assailants often resorting to violence in order to establish where their victims had hidden cash or items of considerable value.
A statement issued by PJ police reveals that three men, aged between 37 and 49, among them Cristivão, 45, were detained by the National Anti-Terrorism Unit on charges which included the use of illegal firearms in a series armed robberies, with victims often being taken against their will.

MaryLibrary said...

Where did I say the McCanns are innocent?

But I don't blame you for changing the topic.
I would have given up defending Amaral and his men, too :) he's a liar and a criminal.

MaryLibrary said...

Yes, I read the same documents you've quoted (word per word without attribution)

Did you read that the court concluded that an assault (which is a crime) had taken place, but the individuals responsible could not be identified? Did you read the forensic report that asserted the injuries were from a sustained beating, not a fall down stairs? Did you read the testimony of the jail supervisor who said Leonor got along well with staff and inmates, that there was no evidence of a beating in the jail and that she showed no signs of being suicidal.

I don't know about the uncle- not defending him or solving the murder, just that evidence proves Cipriano was beaten by Amaral- that there was a crime and Amaral was convicted of covering it up.

I've read all your "this is how innocent people behave" lines- no need to cut and paste them again.

MaryLibrary said...

That is: Cipriano was beaten by Amaral's men and it was covered up by Amaral.

Anonymous said...

What ever happnrd with the Becky watts case did they arrest the dad and stepmom?