Thursday, August 6, 2015

Fake Hate Couple Brought Down By Insurance Investigators

Insurance investigators in New England average 25% more pay than law enforcement, which is a drain on law enforcement.

Because they do not need hours of constant safety training, including vehicle and gun safety, as well as a myriad of legal entanglements, insurance investigators can often receive not only advance training, but time to devote to their craft, without the pressure of an enormous case load backing up on them.  Where there is a great deal of money on the line, insurance companies need to get to the truth effectively and can devote time and man power in doing so.

next:  the collateral damage of Fake Hate

From the Daily Mail


Shameless lesbian couple burned down their own house for the insurance payout then called it a hate crime and blamed their neighbor

  • Carol Ann and Laura Jean Stutte's house in Venore, Tennessee, burnt down in September 2010
  • 'Queers' was sprayed on their garage and they claimed it was a hate crime 
  • Insurers accused them of an elaborate hoax to get the $276,000 payout
  • A court ruled they sprayed the abuse and burned their own house down 

A lesbian couple scrawled homophobic abuse on their garage before burning down their own house in Tennessee then calling it a hate crime, a court ruled.
Carol Ann and Laura Jean Stutte reduced their own house to a pile of charred rubble in September 2010 and branded their neighbor a homophobe in order to get the $276,000 insurance pay out.
But insurers American National Property and Casualty Company caught on to the ruse and accused the couple of faking the fire.
Liars: Carol Ann and Laura Stutte reduced their own house to a pile of charred rubble in 2010 in order to get the $276,000 insurance pay out but it has now been uncovered as a ruse
Liars: Carol Ann and Laura Stutte reduced their own house to a pile of charred rubble in 2010 in order to get the $276,000 insurance pay out but it has now been uncovered as a ruse
Lie: The court heard how the couple spray-painted the word ‘queers’ on their garage and later blamed their neighbor Janice Millsaps
Lie: The court heard how the couple spray-painted the word ‘queers’ on their garage and later blamed their neighbor Janice Millsaps
A federal jury ruled in favor of the insurance company and they will not have to pay out on the insurance claim on the house in Venore, reports theKnoxville News Sentinel.
The court heard how the couple spray-painted the word ‘queers’ on their garage and later blamed their neighbor Janice Millsaps.
They claimed that, a month before the blaze, Millsaps said: ‘Do you know what is better than one dead queer? Two dead queers.’
Stutte told the Metro Pulse: ‘We know who wrote those threats. Anyone who could go so far as to write those hateful letters and burn someone else’s house down, they are really disturbed.’
And in the lawsuit, the couple claim that Millsaps ‘repeatedly’ threatened their lives and specifically mentioned burning down their house.
But Millsaps was never charged, despite a probe by the FBI and the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation.
And the court has now ruled that it was an elaborate lie after the insurance company concluded their own probe, which included a polygraph test on Millsaps. 

45 comments:

Anonymous said...

wow. Interesting. I hadn't heard about this one. Way to go insurance company. I've often wondered how many insurance frauds like this one slips through the cracks with insurance companies, where they pay out claims they shouldn't have.

IMO some of them act too inefficiently, in some cases allowing claims to drag on and on then paying them off eventually when perhaps they shouldn't have. Thoroughbred horse racing and their extremely valuable horses in residence or being housed on site is a good example.

Several deliberate fires during the lean horse-racing years were suspected and some proved to have been deliberately set, killing these valuable horses that were heavily insured, many with claims paid out that never should have been before it was eventually proved that the deliberately set fire was an in-house job and the owner/perp prosecuted.

Then there was The Lloyds of London Insurance Company who insured some of the most valuable art work in the world, who ultimately went broke due to having to pay out claims for art thefts, many of these thefts having been inside jobs performed by some of their own insurers.

Do these insurers who pay out fraudulent claims ever recover their monies? I wonder. Apparently The Lloyds of London didn't since they did wind up broke.

Anonymous said...

OT: I'm wondering if anything has been published recently concerning whether the 5th girl molested by Josh Dugger has filed the civil lawsuit against him that was announced by media on July 1st that she intended to file? She was the little girl visiting in the Dugger home, not one of the four sisters that he molested.

It was never made clear if she was the same child who wrote the note about Josh having molested her that was placed inside a book that was loaned to someone else outside the home. If this was not the same little girl, then there would be a sixth little girl?

In any case, I DO believe him to be a pedophile starting at a very young age, as IMO, it is not normal for a young teenage boy THAT young to be exploring little girls' bodies, not just once or twice, but repeatedly, even after he had been caught and confessed what he had done, he continues.

I've raised sons and found them and their young friends to have a lot of sexual pride at his age and older. There is just no way they would have touched a little girl or even thought of doing such a thing, not even in playing doctor & nurse; which, they never wanted to play that game either. They were so prideful and guarded they wouldn't even go near a girl in the swimming pool.

Josh's behavior definitely was not normal for a thirteen to fourteen year old boy. I believe the Duggars became desperate to take action but unfortunately took the wrong action too late.

Trigger said...



Those two women targeted their innocent neighbor for the purpose of collecting insurance money for a crime that they committed.

This type of false hate and fraud needs to stop.

Can the neighbor file a complaint and have them prosecuted?

Can the neighbor collect damages?

trustmeigetit said...

OT Lonzie Barton

Why has Ruben not been arrested now that the video shows he lied about his car being carjacked with Lonzie?

It just says they are building their case. But that is the case. He is dangerous and he needs to be behind bars.

They arrested The Moorers of the murder of Heather Elvis and have at least from what we know, less evidence.

Where saying the car was stolen and your then seen driving the car away then running back to your home.. I think that's pretty clear at least you have lied about where that lil boy is.

Anonymous said...



Vicki said..

Here is a huge Hate Hoax list, you all may be interested in!


http://moonbattery.com/links/Hate-Hoax-List.html

John mcgowan said...

OT Update:

RAW VIDEO: Complete video of the Moorer bond modification hearing

http://www.live5news.com/clip/11742754/raw-video-complete-video-of-the-moorer-bond-modification-hearing


Judge modifies bond to allow Moorers to travel to Florida

CHARLESTON, SC (WMBF) – A Charleston judge granted Tammy and Sidney Moorer, the couple charged with the kidnapping and murder of Heather Elvis, a bond modification allowing them to leave for Florida.

At a brief bond modification hearing on Thursday, the attorneys for the Moorers asked the Judge Markley Dennis to modify their bond to allow Sidney to go to a job interview in Orlando, Florida on August 10. They claim they are unable to find work in Horry County.

"Both Tammy and Sidney are trying to live a normal life while this is pending and working and being productive is part of that, so we are grateful for the judge's consideration," said Greg McCollum, Tammy Moorer's attorney. Sidney Moorer's attorney added that the family is struggling financially, and this bond modification will give Sidney the chance to earn an income.

Under the modified conditions of the bond, if Sidney Moorer finds work, it must be in a state that borders South Carolina. However, they are allowing him to go to the interview in Florida.

Judge Dennis, who had granted the couple bond back in January of this year, approved the bond modification for the Moorers.

"Everybody is innocent until proven guilty, and this is not a battle, this is simply where should they go, what should they do, while they are out on bond," said Solicitor Jimmy Richardson.

Both Sidney and Tammy Moorer have been out on bond since February 2, 2015, two days after Judge Dennis set bond at $100,000 each for all charges related to the Heather Elvis case. They were both required to wear GPS monitoring devices, stay outside of a five-mile radius of the Elvis house, and have no contact with the Elvis family.

The Moorers were taken into custody at their Horry County home nearly one year earlier, in February 2014, and were charged with kidnapping and murder in connection with the disappearance of Heather Elvis, who was 20 years old when she went missing in December 2013.

The trial was originally scheduled to take place in May 2015, but was delayed indefinitely in March.

http://www.live5news.com/story/29724434/live-coverage-of-tammy-and-sidney-moorer-hearing



Carnival Barker said...

OT:

Pete Rose accused of statutory rape; hit king denies claim

A July 13 interview with WCHE in West Chester, Pa., that hadn't surfaced until now, the former federal organized crime investigator said, "Michael Bertolini told us that not only did he run bets, but he ran young girls for him down in spring training. Ages 12-14. Isn't that lovely? So that's statutory rape every time you do that."

Rose was floored when told of the allegations in a phone interview Thursday with NJ Advance Media. He vehemently denied the accusations.

"Oh, my God!" the 73-year-old Cincinnati Reds and Philadelphia Phillies great said while driving from California to Las Vegas. "Where was my family all of this time in spring training? I never went to spring training without my family except for first year when I was a rookie. It's shocking. What level are they going to reach to next? What's Dowd going to talk about next? Something from 50 years ago when I was 24 years old? I don't know why anybody would believe that. It's unbelievable. That's the best one so far."

****************************************************************************************

Uh-oh.

They should change the headline to "Hit King Unreliably Denies Claim"

Juliet said...

An unfashionable word, wicked, but it suits them as much as it does the college professor who lied about the police officer. These incidents are terrifying; it's incomprehensible that there are people who set out to ruin a person's life, and that anyone could become a target, they don't even need to have had more than a one-off encounter with them. Scary, and then some. On the plus side, that has to be a much safer neighbourhood now that they've burned their house down and won't be able to live there again, it must be at least as gratifying to the wronged neighbour as to the insurance company.

I was so sceptical when I first read of insurance companies using techniques to identify false claims - I thought it would involve bamboozling any and all claimants with endless unnecessary questions until they felt bullied and confused, grew tired and gave up on their claims, so that the insurance companies could pay out on fewer claims in order to increase their profits. That was some years ago, and I can see now how I got that the wrong way round, and that with the right techniques, genuine claimants don't lose out, and if policy holders don't ever have cause to make a claim, they are at least not paying overly inflated premiums to defray the expense of covering fraudulent claims.

Anonymous said...

I just saw the Pete Rose quote. Not only did he not deny the allegation but he didn't come close to calling Bertolini or Dowd a liar either.

Jen Ow said...

He actually seems to confirm it, giving a timeframe/age when it might have happened. (50 years ago, when he was 24)

Anonymous said...

Since I'm not into sports my knowledge of any sport is extremely limited, but I always thought that wives and girlfriends weren't allowed to join their partners during spring training since it is a rigorous time of physical training requiring all their physical strength, stamina and concentration.

True or false? If this is true, why would Pete Rose have taken his family with him on spring training trips as he said he did on all but the first trip, or any other spring training trip? This is also a time of frolicking for these guys when they are not at the training camp; for which my understanding has always been they are penalized if they are caught partying or playing around when not in practice.

In any case, I've always heard that athletes and sports figures have plenty of access to women and young girls during season and off season, many who throw themselves as these athletes; in fact, isn't this constant cheating the reason for so many of their divorces and extra-curricular baby daddy activities?

One who would probably know for sure is Carolyn Rose, Pete's first wife. This is/was a loud mouthed vulgar woman who once had a radio show where she was a disc jockey. Anything she knew she told, in very abrasive and descriptive terms. She even described their sex life. She became the brunt of jokes and the laughing stock of listeners to her radio program in and around Cincinnati. This journalist needs to go ask her, she'll be glad to spill her guts in every minute detail.

lynda said...

Aw Pete...say it ain't so. Unfortunately it sounds like he IS saying it.

Betty said...

Ha! I read this story last night and my first thought was "uh-oh, he didn't give a reliable denial. Yep, he's guilty."

Carnival Barker said...


@Jen,

I thought the SAME thing about him not only telling us he did it but also telling us when!

Anonymous said...

OFF TOPIC but we have a missing baby in a nearby town in Wichita Kansas but the news stories about it are very vague. Missing baby Vincent Moore from Wichita Kansas if anyone is interested in looking more into it I haven't been able to find much. Other than the mother dropped him off with his father. But his father was arrested a few days later for an unrelated crime but the baby was nowhere to be found. Very peculiar

Anonymous said...

I think it has something to do with their over zealous religion. I'm sure they never spoke with any of them about anything sequel at all but think how much see were the parents having / continue to have to produce so many children? Maybe he saw a little more than he should of and it was never addressed and he was left curious and confused about the feelings he was having.

Anonymous said...

Sexual not sequal. I'm sorry I should have proof read!

Trigger said...

If Pete Rose can't say it then we can't say it for him.

John mcgowan said...

OT:

Teen lands on sex offender registry after dating app hookup

Interesting words employed by the Judge. I wonder if he speaks from what has been said in court, using language spoken by defence counsel and others. Or, does he speak freely, using his own "Personal Subjective dictionary"?

Legal analyst Rikki Klieman. (I believe, use's Statement Analysis?)

A Detroit judge told a 19-year-old from Indiana on Wedneday that he would consider a request for a new sentence, months after ordering the teen to register as a sex offender in both states and refrain from having a computer or smartphone because he had consensual sex with a 14-year-old Michigan girl he met online who said she was 17.

The life of 19-year-old Zach Anderson, who was ordered to register as a sex offender in two states, is "ruined," according to CBS News legal analyst Rikki Klieman.

The Indiana teen was convicted of criminal sexual conduct for having sex with a 14-year-old girl. The two met on a dating app and the girl told Anderson she was 17.

But after serving 73 days of a 90-day sentence in jail, the Indiana teen appeared in court Wednesday afternoon in order to withdraw his guilty plea. A judge told him he would consider the request for a new sentence.

"You know me, the law is the law, I always take that route, however the law has an exception here," Klieman said Wednesday on "CBS This Morning."

Anderson traveled from Indiana to Michigan to meet the girl he had been chatting with on the Hot or Not app and they had consensual sex.

Under the law, Anderson could be considered to have committed statutory rape, but this case has several mitigating factors: he is a first time offender, the girl and her mother have come to his defense and the girl lied about her age.

"Not only did she lie about her age, she appeared to be 17, she certainly is someone now who is on his side," Klieman said. (In other articles her Mum is supporting him too)

The girl and her mother begged Judge Dennis Wiley for leniency, but he slammed Anderson for using the internet in such a way.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/dating-app-sex-offenders-register-6195003

But the judge didn't see it that way. He mandated Anderson remain on the offender registry for 25 years.

"What the judge really did here, is he took his own personal feelings about this youth culture and he talked about it," Klieman said.

Judge Dennis Wiley could have referred Anderson to counseling under Michigan's Juvenile Diversion Act, but instead he chose to use the case to set an example.

"You went online, to use a fisherman's expression, trolling for women, to meet and have sex with. That seems to be part of our culture now. Meet, hookup, have sex, sayonara. Totally inappropriate behavior," Wiley said in court.

If the judge had used his powers to exercise discretion, Klieman said he would not have a record.

In addition to the 90-day jail sentence and sex-offender status, Anderson also faces 61 conditions including restrictions that bar him from going online, dining at restaurants that serve alcohol and even living at home, because he has a 15-year-old brother.

According to Klieman, Anderson is not alone in his nightmarish situation -- 25 percent of people on the sex offender registry are under the age of 18.

Cont..

John mcgowan said...

Anderson's family created a Change.org petition that has received over 170,000 signatures so far. They seek to drop all charges or dismiss chargers under Anderson Holmes Youthful Trainee Act, which would keep his record sealed and the court would not enter a conviction.

Wednesday afternoon, a new judge will decide if Anderson can be retried.

"Will the judge have courage? Will the judge say that this was the wrong way to go and that you can't have someone's personal viewpoint as a judge about what the culture should be, using this boy to set an example, when you have this girl who is supporting him and so is her mother?" Klieman said.

What do you think guy's?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/indiana-teen-zach-anderson-labeled-sex-offender-after-sex-girl-lied-about-age/

foodnerd said...


post disappeared, trying again?


Happy Friday, everyone!

After much digging I finally found semi-current update, July 23, on Julie Faker–-er, uh, Baker!:
http://patch.com/maryland/perryhall/40k-later-relentlessly-gay-yard-unchanged

PAtch has an article noting her yard is no more relentless or gay than the day she created her gofundme, with artfully displayed before and after comparisons. The writer quoted Baltimore PD that they are still actively investigating:

~~~~Quoting Elizabeth Janney of Patch~~~

"Cpl. John Wachter of the Baltimore County Police Department told Patch Thursday, July 23, that police have obtained the note, and the case is under investigation.

'The case, which is classified as [a] suspicious condition, remains [open] while detectives investigate what happened,' Wachter said.


Read more at http://m.snopes.com/2015/06/18/relentlessly-gay/#ZjdxZpWhFxE8mq5I.99"

~~~~ end copy-paste, back to foodnerd~~~

According to Janner, police told her Fak--Baker (gosh, why do I keep hitting the same wrong key?), has complained in the past that an anonymous neighbor threatened her.

Sorry about the typo again! Gosh, I would feel just terrible if I spoiled her day making her think about what may be lurking in her near future, or invade her dreams tonight! To avoid further mess-ups I'll just use her first name.

Anybody know anything else that's up with Jailie?

whoops...

foodnerd said...


Statement Analysis has officially transformed my brain! It just jumped out as I read the rest of story (just couldn't resist posting the update here first! :^D) that the police spokesman said they obtained the note, not a copy of the note!

I wish the writer would have asked him to clarify that. I'll check back for an update; hopefully their readers are contacting her requesting clarification.

Anonymous said...

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/08/04/teen-jail-stays-sex-offender-registry/31091073/

foodnerd said...


Wow, I just read about this five minutes ago on another news site! The photo there was of the young man sitting at a table presumably during the interview. The huge, silly smile on his face, I would bet this incident was his first time, too. Obviously not an ominous predator; if anything Miss 14-going-on-25 taught him a few moves.

At least as sickening and appalling, and far scarier, is how badly these ridiculous cases weaken the sex offender registry and its purpose! Sure, let's lump this nonviolent, noncriminal 17-year-old, whose so-called "victim" and her mother fully support not being criminally charged at all, with Josh Duggar, the Ramseys, George Anthony, etc.

This moron shouldn't be allowed to dress himself,much less have such disastrous authority and impact on a young man's life – one who clearly is neither a criminal nor a drain on society.

John mcgowan said...

OT:

911 call in David Doyle murder released

listen to the call, follow the link.

http://www.wyomingnews.com/articles/2015/08/07/news/19local_08-07-15.txt#.VcX7f3FViko

Editor's note: The following story as well as the related transcript may contain some information that may disturb some readers.

CHEYENNE - The murder of local businessman David A. Doyle Jr. last month in Charlotte, North Carolina, still has not been solved.

But a recording of the 911 call made in the case recently was released by the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department.

The caller's description of the murder scene at Doyle's North Carolina home is graphic.

According to an unidentified caller, Doyle had his hands tied behind his back and looked as if he had been attacked with a knife.

"Was he cut with a knife, sir?" the dispatcher asked.

"I see blood, yes. He's unconscious. He's not responding," the caller said.

The caller said the scene looked like a home invasion.

"The house is open; the garage door was open. Um, they left everything open," he said.

The man who made the 911 call has not been identified.

(In Wyoming, information obtained through a 911 emergency telephone system is not available to the public.)

Doyle, who was a co-owner of Tyrrell-Doyle Auto Center in Cheyenne with his stepbrother, Brian Tyrrell, was found dead inside his large North Carolina home on July 19.

An incident report released by the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department last month revealed that a number of crimes are suspected of happening in Doyle's home in addition to his murder. They are:

- Vehicle theft.

- Kidnapping.

- Armed robbery.

- Burglary.

- Assault-inflicting serious injury.

- Assault with a deadly weapon and intent to kill.

The report says a blunt object or objects; a fire/burning tool or device; personal weapons such as hands, feet or teeth; and a knife are suspected of being used to commit those possible crimes.

Additionally, it says Doyle's blue 2013 Chevy Avalanche was stolen but later recovered at an undisclosed location.

Doyle's murder is thought to have happened some time between 8:30 p.m. on July 18 and 3:40 p.m. the next day, the report says, noting that he suffered "possible internal injuries."

The Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department previously reported that patrol officers responded to Doyle's home at 16500 Plantation Woods Drive after getting a request for a welfare check there.

A responding medic pronounced Doyle dead at the scene.

Other than providing media with the 911 call, the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department has not released any new information regarding the investigation or a possible suspect.

A spokeswoman for the department said by email Thursday that the case is still under "active investigation" but no arrests have been made.

Although Doyle still was doing business in Cheyenne, he lived full time in North Carolina with his wife, Joan, who died from cancer in April.

Please note this recording maybe disturbing to some listeners


Sus said...

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/zach-anderson-this-19-year-old-will-spend-the-next-25-years-as-a-registered-sex-offender

This article gives more quotes from Zack Anderson and his parents.

The registry is for those who harmed and may harm young victims again. So did Anderson harm his fourteen year old "meet up"? I would argue he did. By law her mind is not mature enough to make the meet up decision. It was his responsibility as an adult to check her age. Her mother reported her missing through their encounter.

I would also argue he is likely to reoffend since he shows no remorse. He and his parents are only complaining about the hardships to his life. There is nothing in their language about a fourteen year old girl and the shame she will carry for encounters adult men set up with her. Yes, she was willing, but again, I'm remembering the law takes into account that her mind is not fully formed for decision making.

Carnival Barker said...


Maureen Kanka (the mother of Megan Kanka, the little girl whose sexual assault and murder inspired the creation of Megan's Law) has even worked with legislators to update the guidelines under which someone is required to register as a sex offender. She has gone on record saying that recently a lot of cases involving teenagers are not in the spirit of what the law was designed for.

foodnerd said...

Thanks, Carnival Barker, I hadn't heard that. Very good news!

Anderson was 17 at the time of this encounter – yes it's illegal under the law, but he was also still a juvenile whose mind the courts also consider not fully formed in the areas of judgment and decision making. Add in teenage hormones and you don't even need to light the match.

He may not look or feel particularly remorseful,but does he look like a threat or a menace to society?

Many people, especially men, laugh at the notion of charging rape when the situation is reversed and woman is the older, more experienced partner. That takes into account teenaged males' hormones and that the physics obviously require at least his body responding positively even if he really doesn't want the encounter.

But it doesn't take into account that the younger partner, especially if it's their first time, is far more likely to confuse that newly overwhelming intense level of enjoyment with deep, true love. The older, more experienced in love and lust partner (regardless of gender of either) has a huge advantage in differentiating between the two, and in worst cases, using it to exploit the younger one.

In this case, I don't think either has the emotional or physical experience to have an advantage over the other. If anything he would probably be more likely to decide he's in love with her, than she would with him.

foodnerd said...



Sorry, I haven't slept in two nights. The point of all that babbling is how devastating it could be to a young person thinking they're head over heels in intense love and it's forever when they mean nothing to the other person. Especially when it's someone in a position of trust or someone they looked up to for a long time.

Sus said...

I thought he was 19. I think he said he'd had one other sexual encounter before that at 18 because he was 18...which made no sense to me. I'll read again.

Juliet said...


Couple flees $1.3m Dream Home After Threats from 'Watcher'


http://gawker.com/couple-flees-1-3-million-dream-home-after-threats-from-1713646299

It's from June, so apologies if it's already been posted. It reads like 'the Watcher' has read too much badly written horror-fiction. :)

foodnerd said...


Sus. I could not possibly have typed that Zach Anderson was 17 at the time of his encounter, because it isn't accurate. Either I was hacked, or more likely,Peter changed my words to make me look bad because he is jealous of my superior SA skillz.

Ha, just kidding! You are right, he was a legal adult under the law; it was her claim that she was 17 where I got confused. I still think the 25 years on that list is far too drastic. It will do far more harm to his life than is just under the circumstances, and do too much to weaken the sex offender registry, but I can also see your concerns.

He did serve 73 of his 90 days in jail, if I'm not boofing up that one also. How would you have felt about six months in jail and one year on the list? Not that I have any authority in the matter, of course.

Thanks for helping set me straight,and for all of your intelligent commentary and insight here. Even when I don't agree you present it concisely and respectfully and I've learned something more than just this time.

Anonymous said...

Come ON!!!! The girl lied about her age. She told him she was 17 for heavens' sakes!!! It was consensual sex on her part.

Good Lord. SHE is the one who tricked HIM, not the other way around.

Anonymous said...

This young mans' so-called "crime" does not merit being on any sex offender list, or even having been accused of committing a crime to begin with. He committed no crime! No, he didn't ask to see her drivers license verification first, or her birth certificate or any other validation of her age. WHO DOES!

But he ALSO did not go out seeking to find a minor to have sex with. This witch hunt and the judges' sentence is appalling to all those women, young ladies, teens, pre-teens and little girls who actually ARE coerced or manipulated and forced into molestation and rape. His crime? Believing her when she said she was seventeen.

I think some of you people who are mis accusing this young man don't have any kids and have never raised a teenager in todays world, nor do you have the slightest idea as to their sensual appetites and actions. One of you is a teacher and you believe this boy has ruined this girls life? You don't belong in a classroom.

Many young girls today are having sex starting at the age of twelve and thirteen. They are all over the internet via facebook and other social media outlets exposing themselves through their almost nude selfies, some bragging about having had sex with their girlfriends and boyfriends. Do you honestly think they are telling the truth about their age? Well, let me tell you, THEY AREN'T. Some even brag about having sex in various secret places at their school, even describing the act. Do you really think any young normal hormonal boy would turn them down? Well... duh.

This was a highly promiscuous young girl who is doing as she pleases. The girl involved in this horrible mis-judgment of this young man as a sex offender was the instigator, it was SHE misleading HIM. He ought to be suing HER! How would YOU like it if something like this happened to YOUR son, ruining his life for the rest of his life, when all he did was hook up with a girl who made herself WILLINGLY available and THEY only did what came natural?

If she has any lingering emotional problems as a result of their sex together (which I highly doubt!), that some of you have alluded too, then she brought it on herself. This girl wasn't raped nor was she coerced.

John mcgowan said...

OT:

Jerold Joseph Williams: Missing Boy Vanished From Arizona Camp Site — Massive Search Enters Day 4

The search for Jerold Joseph Williams, a five-year-old boy who vanished seemingly right out from under his mother’s watchful gaze on Thursday, enters its fourth day on Sunday with no sign of the missing child despite a massive search effort through rugged terrain involving more than 300 personnel from numerous agencies — even the United States Air Force.

The searchers have been forced to battle through severe weather conditions as they continue to hunt for the mysteriously disappeared little boy, who stands just three-and-a-half-feet tall. The Coconino County Sheriff’s Office is leading the multi-agency search which has faced heavy rains and 40 mile-per-hour winds, as Jerold’s mom continues to hope desperately that her young son will turn up somehow.

Joseph lives in Colorado City, Arizona. His mom and a large group of approximately 20 individuals were camping outside of Jacobs Lake, Arizona, at a site about 70 miles from Colorado City on Thursday — a site on the northern edge of Kaibab National Forest and 44 miles north of Grand Canyon National Park.

But at about 1:30 that afternoon, their world turned upside down.

Jerold and his mom had strayed about 100 or 200 yards from the main camp site, according to sheriff’s deputies, and the five-year-old was happily chasing grasshoppers when, according to published accounts, his mom somehow “lost sight” of him.

No other details of how Jerold’s mother lost track of the boy were made public. But apparently, in the time that Jerold was out of his mother’s line of vision, he completely disappeared.

The camping group at first believed that Jerold would be easy to find and searched on their own. But after spending four hours combing the area and turning up nothing, they finally called in the authorities. But sheriff’s spokesperson Gerald Blair said such delays in situations like this one are not uncommon.

“We don’t get an immediate call because they think they can find him,” Blair said. “We didn’t get this thing until 5:30 p.m (Thursday). We did as much as we could with both operations on the ground and in the air, but we were short on daylight.”

Searchers from four neighboring counties have joined the search for Jerold Williams, as have members of the United States Forest Service and numerous other state and federal agencies — including two night-vision helicopters from Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada. The National Guard has also provided personell and resources to the search for the missing little boy.

Just two weeks ago, a missing boy in Virgina, Joel Martinez Mercado, sadly, was found dead in a river. But the outlook for Jerold Williams remains uncertain.

Jerold Joseph Williams is described as weighing 35 pounds, with light brown hair, brown eyes, and a fair complexion. He also displays what police call “visible facial abrasions.” Searchers are asking anyone with information about where he might be, or how he suddenly disappeared, to come forward by calling the Coconino Sheriff at (928) 774-4523.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2320216/jerold-joseph-williams-missing/

Trigger said...

Colorado City is where the Moron polygamists live.

Many of these people suffer from several forms of birth defects, including physical and mental conditions, because of the close family genetics and the lack of proper education.

The "visible facial abrasions" might be self inflicted. Many of the young people in this group look older than they are.

Anonymous said...

"No, he didn't ask to see her drivers license verification first, or her birth certificate or any other validation of her age. WHO DOES!"

I don't think he should be an RSO, but he may need the 90 days to think about ways not to fuck underage girls.

'Everyone' is in a rush for instant gratification these days. Fortunately, there is no need to spend time on lengthy conversations on dates. He could check her license to fuck, while showing her the way to the bed!

Age verification, for sex or alcohol, is the responsibility of the adult, as is the failure to do so.

tania cadogan said...

I wonder how he got those “visible facial abrasions” and what they are exactly?

Just how long was he out of his mother's sight that within a minute he had completely vanished and was not answering to his name?

Are the family known to LE or CPS?

Do we have any statements from the mother?

Sus said...

foodnerd,
Thank you for the kind words. I also think hackers or Peter change my words sometimes. Haha.

I agree that twenty-five years is a long period in a person's life. But twenty-five years on the registry is the law in Michigan. There is an exception where the judge can instead assign probation if warranted.

In Zach Anderson's case there were facts surrounding the case which the judge felt indeed warranted the sex offender registry. Anderson's lawyer has been able to move the public's eyes from Zach Anderson to the "unfairness" of the sex offender registry.

But what about Zach Anderson? What are the facts?
1. He is the adult by law in the encounter.
2. As an adult, it is his responsibility to check and know the age of his sexual partner.
3. He is a self-professed "tech guy". He was majoring in computers. He says he has been proficient in computers since age twelve. So in this day and age everyone can be googled, found on Facebook, Twitter, or as a friend. He knew how to do that.
4. The original police report included a "Zach" in the site that asked for nude pictures and threatened to send out nude pictures of girls. There is some question now whether it was him, though.
5. He may have a drug and alcohol problem. It was also in the original report to the judge. The probation officer did not show up in court to substantiate the report.
6. He drove to the victim's house across state lines.
7. The victim is fourteen, not accountable by law. She is epileptic. She missed a dosage of medicine and her mother called police even though she was only gone an hour.
8. The victim walked out the front door telling her mother she was going for a walk. She instead got in Zack Anderson's car and he drove to a park for sex. Come on. That is called trolling and grooming.
9. He said he had sex at eighteen because, well, he was eighteen. Does he mean it was his right at eighteen? Having sex is his right? Scary.
10. He and his parents show no remorse. They're all about him as a victim. I am greatly concerned about some of the lies they are throwing out. One being Zach cannot live with his fifteen year old brother. Not so.

I could be wrong and I'm certainly not privy to the inside facts, but I think Zack Anderson belongs on that registry. The judge may have protected a future young girl from harm. Isn't that what the registry is all about?

Anonymous said...

This is ridiculous. So ridiculous that after reading the first and last sentences of your post that I'm not even bothering to read the rest of this nonsense.

You are totally lacking in the knowledge of human nature, empathy and understanding of the natural psyche of youth, either male or female. I can only add that I hope someday you get accused of something just as ridiculous and find yourself in one hell of a mess that you can't get out from under either. ha... THEN, let's see how far YOU get in defending yourself. You've got it coming, missy.

Sus said...

Anon,
Oh, I understand enough about the "human psyche" to know you really have it out for "young hot tarts." You've gone off about Hannah Anderson in the same manner. I, like probably most on this blog, can guess why. I figure the past is in the past, though, and I won't bring up your poor late husband. Oops. I just did. Sorry.

I'm putting my gloves back on now. I suggest you do the same. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

Ignorance cannot be a defense in committing a crime. Lying was a bad thing for her to do but he is an adult and has to be accountable for his actions. If he had bought her alcohol or cigarettes it would have still been illegal. I am opposed to random sex hookups online. Is it really worth risking your life and well being for sex? He is an adult and must take responsibility for his actions. While I think there are some flaws in the sex offender registry and all too often 18-20 year old makes wind up on there but it's because of their own ignorance. If you don't know a girl well enough to know her age should you really be having sexual contact with them? They set themselves up for these unfortunate circumstances on their own. The girl should be punished for lying and taking off on her mother but she is just a girl and these laws are out to protect them because they are not capable of making these decisions on their own. Let's hope this girl learned her lesson but there are consequences to your actions and you need to think long and hard about doing things. He brought it on himself. I hate that so many are so driven by sex and ruin their lives over it. I will never understand the mind set of putting everything at risk for sex. I don't know what it takes for a person to risk throwing away their entire lives for a moment of pleasure. He is lucky he didn't wind up with hiv. He is on the sex offender registry for good reason. He committed a crime.

Anonymous said...

OT Zach Anderson

http://abcnews.go.com/US/19-year-spend-25-years-registered-sex-offender/story?id=32783206&singlePage=true

When Les and Amanda Anderson went to pick up their son from a county jail in St. Joseph, Michigan, it was the first time they had seen him in two and half months.

“I was thinking just coming up here it’s like he shouldn’t be here,” Les Anderson said. “This, you know, it shouldn’t be happening.”

[..]

If he had known she was so young, Zach said, he never would have met her.

“I wouldn’t even have gone to her house, like I literally wouldn’t have gone to her house at all,” he said.

[..]

“They make me out to be a monster,” Zach said. “I can’t even look at life regularly.”

His parents say his punishment is cruel and unusual, and they are waging a very public fight, even setting up a Facebook page, hoping to rally support for their son.

Zach graduated high school just last year. Like many teens, he turned to his smart phone to find a date one night. He says he was on the dating app “Hot or Not” for about a week when he started talking to the 14-year-old.

“[She] was actually the first person I had met up with or anything from that,” Zach said. “I had asked her when we were messaging. I said, ‘How old are you?’ And then she had told me 17… I just got out of high school. So it’s two years difference. I didn’t think that was a big deal or anything.”

The then-14-year-old girl falsely registered on the “adults” section of the dating app. Zach said after they connected, they flirted through text messages and arranged to meet in her hometown of Niles, Michigan, 20 miles across the state line from Zach’s home in Indiana.

“I had been with one other girl before that,” Zach said. “But she was 18, and I was 18, and I kind of just did it to get, you know, to do it, because I was 18.”

Zach picked the then-14-year-old girl up and they drove to a playground in Niles, where they had sex.

Unbeknownst to them, the girl’s mother had called police that night because she thought her daughter was missing. Two months later, detectives showed up at Zach’s job at a mechanic shop.

“I was in the middle of an oil change and my friend who was working there came into the back and was like, ‘There are two detectives here, Zach. They want to talk to you,’” Zach said. “And my hearts pounding like crazy so yeah I knew something was going down. I told my parents that night.”

[..]

“The hardest part probably for me was to see him being led away, because he turned and looked at us, and it’s like, we want to give him a hug, and you don’t even have that opportunity,” said his father, Les Anderson.

[..]

“We don’t see him that way,” Les Anderson said. “If our son’s a sex offender, there’s a lot of other people on that list like him which dilutes the list, and it almost makes it meaningless.”

[..]

Now on probation, Zach is trying to live his life as best he can within the restrictions of his probation. Since he is not allowed to use a computer, his budding career in computer science is now over.

“I could have had a really good career in that, and now I can’t do that,” he said. “I can’t really have an actual career. I’m going to be working a job, but not doing something I enjoy doing.”

[..]

“They’re forcing him to leave jail, go to a house, and be by yourself, and be lonely basically,” Les Anderson said. “It wasn’t easy to find a place to live either. I mean because of all of the restrictions. You almost cannot live in the city here at all because you have to be so many feet from a school, a church.”

[..]

“We hope that they stop putting people on the sex offender registry like they’re passing out traffic tickets,” Amanda Anderson said. “There are hundreds and hundreds of people that don’t deserve to be on that list, and it’s supposed to be a safeguard for the community. And instead, they’re just publicly shaming these people and our son for life.”

Anonymous said...

OT Zach Anderson

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/03/us/dating-app-sex-offender-registry/index.html

He was given a 90-day jail sentence, five years probation and placed on both Indiana and Michigan's sex offender registry for the next 25 years. A colossal mistake, say his parents.

"It's a blatant lie," his father, Lester Anderson says. Amanda Anderson, his mother, says "it doesn't even fit our lifestyle; it doesn't fit how we raised our kids." Zach says his parents had always told him not to have sex before marriage.

Both the girl's mother and the girl herself appeared in court, to say they didn't believe Zach belonged on the sex offender registry. The girl admitted lying and outside of court, she handed the Anderson family a letter. She wrote in part, "I'm sorry I didn't tell you my age. It kills me every day, knowing you are going through hell and I'm not. I want to be in trouble and not you."

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3180763/They-make-monster-Debate-rages-man-19-sex-offender-registry-25-YEARS-sleeping-underage-girl-met-dating-app-admitted-police-lied-age.html

[..]

His parents immediately launched a Facebook page, called 'Justice 4 Zach Anderson, Elkhart, in a bid to have the court ruling overturned. At present, the page has nearly 650 subscribers.

The page description reads: 'Even when "the victim" (who lied about her age on social dating site) testified and pleaded for the charges to be dropped, or at least consequences be at a minimal, the judge threw the book at this 19 yr. old. He met all the qualifications for HYTA [the program for first-time offenders] which would have saved him from having to register on Sex Offender List.'

Meanwhile, the girl sought counseling to help her deal with the consequences of her lie.

[..]

According to court papers, Zach and the young girl first started chatting on the 'Hot or Not?' app, and decided to meet up in person on December 19. Zach then drove from his home in Elkhart, Indiana across the border to nearby Niles, where he picked the girl up near her home.

He told police he believed the girl was 17, like she wrote on the site, and never questioned her in person. During their meeting, they had sex, then Zach dropped the girl back in her neighborhood.

But while the pair were hooking up, the girl's mother began to worry, it is reported.

She saw her daughter leave home earlier in the evening, but didn't know where she was going and figured she would be back soon. When she didn't immediately return though, she decided to call 911, fearing that her epileptic daughter may miss a dosage of her medicine and have a fit.

By the time her daughter walked up to the house less than an hour later, officers were waiting and interviewed the girl about her absence.

Immediately after the hook-up, Zach went on vacation with his family to Florida, and didn't even know anything was wrong until the girl texted him, saying: 'Oh, we're in a lot of trouble.'

'I asked, "How old are you really?" and then she told me,' Zach said.

The issue is that in Michigan, even if Anderson had been thorough and asked to see the girl's ID - she could have given him a fake ID and he still would have been committing statutory rape.

ima.grandma said...

Sus :)