Tuesday, December 20, 2016

Jennifer Gold: Eight Year Old's Statement





Although not challenging, it is important to remain in principle.  

Here, you are asked to analyze a letter from an eight year old subject.  

What do you know about the subject?

Consider within analysis the rule that tells you:

Do not analyze a person, analyze the statement.  The person "does not exist" to you in Round One of Analysis.  Therefore, any outside information, including the age of the subject must be discounted in the initial analysis.  

If the analysis shows something different than an eight year old child, you must trust the analysis. 

Here is a common example used in training.  The typified allegation:  

Theft 

"I woke up.  Sheila  got up and went to work.  I also went to work..."

With only this to go by, you already have some information to go by.

1.  The statement about theft began with the pronoun "I" meaning that the subject, psychologically, is "in" this statement.  It is, statistically, likely to contain reliable information in content analysis. 

2.  You know that two people were previously asleep.

3.  You know that two people are likely to be employed. 

4.  You "know" that the subject is not "married" to Sheila.

Here is the point:

The case file shows that the subject is, in fact, married to Shiela.  She is his wife. 

The analysis says "no, they are not married!" and should not be backed down from. 

This is critical in understanding the theft. 

Where is he "not married"?

Answer:  in the statement. 

The statement is his verbalized perception of reality; it is not reality.  



This goes to the "incomplete social introduction" where he does not say,

"my wife, Sheila" but deprives her of her title, "wife" and denies personal possession of her ("my"), therefore,

this is a problematic relationship that is a factor in the theft investigation.  

That they are reported to have woken up separately is important.  

Did they sleep separately?

Why is she not, in the context of a police criminal investigation, his "wife"?

When the case is solved, the analyst will readily see how the problematic relationship was related to theft.  

We analyze statements, not people, in detecting deception by beginning with the presupposition that he did not commit the theft.  
As we work through the statement if he "talks us out" of this presupposition, we will have our conclusion. 

For advanced analysis, the work has just begun.

Up next, the three rounds of analysis.  

As to our "eight year old" statement, 

what does analysis show?  

Do you know the author?

Is this genuine or "fake hate"?

Lastly, for deeper consideration:  

can "fake hate" be emotional abuse of a child?

50 comments:

rjb said...

What 8 year old can spell "xenophobic" but can't spell "which?"

Bobcat said...

To the last question: Yes.

Peter Hyatt said...

rjb, it is something of a strong stand out ---

now, continue with that, go through the rest of the language, and AFTER a conclusion, (only after), seek to learn something about the "author" of the letter!



OT: why have long term readers of this blog NOT asked me my thoughts on the Nobel Peace Prize and Bob Dylan?

:)


Peter

Kimberly Smith said...

Having homeschooled for 17 years, I can tell you that letter is an absolute joke, except it isn't really funny. My first thought was who indoctrinates an eight-year-old into such a pessimistic view? It would be emotional abuse in my opinion.

While the letter is certainly written by someone emotionally immature, it's definitely not an eight-year-old. Punctuation, spelling, vocabulary, layout ...

The continued liberal belly-aching is moving beyond pitiful into contemptible.

Thank you for your continual publishing on this blog. I am learning enough to be dangerous, and growing every closer to signing up for the course.

Merry Christmas to you and your beautiful family.

Anonymous said...

Jennifer Gould does not say she didn't help him right this letter.

There appears to be adult speak - Donald J. Trump, xenophobic, racist, I predict, world war three, I feel sorry for...

The sentences in the letter skip a line, but in the list of what Donald J. Trump is the last quality is mean and it's thrown on the very next line as if the child added it after asking mom what xenophobic and racist meant.

The child can spell xenophobic and racist, but can't spell 'which' or 'Mexican' .

I would say the son took dictation of what mom was saying and asked how to spell xenophobic, racist, but figured he knew how to spell 'which' and 'Mexican' so he didn't ask.

Does an eight year old know how to say 'I feel sorry for...'

Anonymous said...

Write this letter. oops

elf said...

Fake. This isn't how 8 year olds talk or think. I have an 8 year old and a 9 year old, both average students, and this is not how kids are. I asked them what they thought of Trump pre-election and my 8 year old said he was mean, I asked why she said that and she saidher best ffriend told her. My 9 year old said he had funny looking hair. Despite Fox news constantly playing in our living room neither of my kids felt close to the election (this is close, that is distancing) I wonder if this assignment was done in class or was homework? There is clearly an adult mind at work here as evidenced by the adult words xenophobic, racist and predict.
This is fake.

elf said...

I just asked my 9 year old what xenophobic and racist means and he didnt know.

Grace4Ayla said...

Peter, what are your thoughts on Bob Dylan's refusal to attend the Nobel Peace Prize ceremony? Thanks!

Amyl Nitrite said...

For what it's worth, I did think about you, but the Nobel prizes don't have the importance they used to have back when I was growing up. The Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to Barack Obama and that was a joke. A man of peace tries to bring people together, not divide them as he did. BO certainly practiced the "divide and rule" concept and has used it effectively.

What peace did Bob Dylan bring about? I am ignorant about Dylan and his work. I think he may have written songs about peace, but I don't know where he was a part of actually bringing peace somewhere. Below is a link to a fascinating campaign of peace. It was a marketing campaign no less. But it worked! I'd like to see the genius behind this get awarded someday soon. After over 50 years and over 225000 deaths, peace is coming to this region. That is a great job.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/article1958771.html

Jo said...

n the 911 recording, a dispatcher asks the caller — an apparent bystander at the shopping mall — for any suspect information. The caller yells: "Ma'am, do you know who did it?"

A woman, presumably King-Macon, is heard responding: "I was at the stop sign and the guy blew the horn at me, and I blew it back. And he shot, but I thought he shot in the air. He shot at the car"

This is from road race case where 3 year old was shot. She gives a lot of details but doesn't really answer the question. The pronouns are off too. "The horn" not "his horn". "At the car" instead of "my car" or "he shot my grandson."

Anonymous said...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/reward-40k-road-rage-death-arkansas-year-44298908

911 Call in Road-Rage Case: 'This Little Kid's Been Shot'

Newly released 911 recordings depict a frantic, chaotic scene as a grandmother pulls into a Little Rock shopping center and discovers her 3-year-old grandson has been shot in what police describe as a road-rage killing.

"The woman's saying this little kid's been shot," a female caller said on the 911 call, released Tuesday to The Associated Press under an open-records request. According to police, the grandmother, Kim King-Macon, was in her car at a stop sign in the pouring rain Saturday when a man driving a black Chevrolet Impala opened fire on her vehicle, fatally striking the boy.

King-Macon told police that she didn't realize her grandson had been shot until she pulled into the shopping mall, about 10 miles from where the shooting occurred, and discovered the toddler slumped over in his seat. No arrests have been made and the FBI said Monday's it's joining the investigation. A $40,000 reward has been offered for information leading to an arrest and conviction in the case.

In the 911 recording, a dispatcher asks the caller — an apparent bystander at the shopping mall — for any suspect information. The caller yells: "Ma'am, do you know who did it?"

A woman, presumably King-Macon, is heard responding: "I was at the stop sign and the guy blew the horn at me, and I blew it back. And he shot, but I thought he shot in the air. He shot at the car!"

Little Rock police have said there is no apparent connection between King-Macon and the shooter and described the shooting on Twitter as a "road rage incident."

It's the second fatal shooting of a toddler in a month in Little Rock. Last month, 2-year-old Ramiya Reed, who went by the nickname "TinkerBell," was fatally struck by gunfire while riding in the back seat of a vehicle with her mother. No arrests have been made in that case, and police have said they don't know if the two shootings are connected.

Anonymous said...

^^She knows the shooter

Peter Hyatt said...

Anonymous said...
^^She knows the shooter
December 20, 2016 at 4:13 PM



Explain?

Anonymous said...

Unless she has spoken to others about the shooter, (introduced) the article (the) tells us she has seen him before. It could be at other traffic lights, at the shops, or something more serious, money oewed for whatever reason. "the guy" is more a social use, friendly if you will.

Anonymous said...

My 8 year old definitely doesn't know the word xenophobic.

Anonymous said...

Some of the lower case letters don't seem to be consistent. Letter e,a and d. I know handwriting analysis shouldn't come into play, but the letter e in particular seems different in some places. Is it just me?

happyuk said...

You read my mind. My thoughts exactly. Spot the deliberate spelling mistake and or deliberate insertion of 'big' words. Jennifer Gold is the author.

happyuk said...

The author's words reek of superiority. The inference that Trump supporters are racist is disgraceful patronising and wrong. The author is still a child in a way dispensing clichéd platitudes as though they were pearls of wisdom and no evidence of any ability to reason, apply critical thinking or even an ounce of empathy for those who have chosen to vote a certain way. The letter is full of catastrophic expectations which suggests an upbringing that has been very much fear based. Any allegation of racism is a serious accusation to make and in the real world would have to be backed up else the consequences can be serious. I would suggest the author has little of the kind of commercial experience whereby ones speech and actions are assessed. I would also surmise that the author dislikes or even detests real people. I will now go and read up on this author to see whether any of my assertions were correct.

Hey Jude said...

First (believing the mother) I wondered, as it was a class assignment, if the teacher had brought anti-Trump sentiments into the classroom, and if 'xenophobic' and 'racist' were words copied from a board under the guise of a spelling lesson.

I am not sure that writing letters 'to America' is an educational exercise - I thought children were encouraged to write letters to individuals, thank you letters, information queries - but perhaps writing vaguely 'to America' rather than to a person is also something which happens. If so, I'd expect the idea to be what is good about America, what the writer knows about and likes best.

I noticed she did not say 'my son'' or give his name, rather introduced him as 'my eight year old', which is not a full social introduction. It may be that he is one of several children, and/ or she wants to convey that the writer is only eight years old, as her priority - that an eight year old wrote it, as opposed to an older child. An eight year old who is familiar with the term 'xenophobic' and in the habit of making political predictions - she is wanting praise for her 'eight year old's' cleverness?

As the mother posted the letter without expressing an opinion or objection to what was written, I would think she accepted and endorsed the politicising of her 'eight year old'. She thinks it is worth sharing - she is proud to show off her 'eight year old's' political awareness.

Also she says,'This was his' rather than 'My son wrote this letter in school in a class exercise' - the letter is in her possession, therefore it was likely written as homework? Is 'this was his' an attempt to persuade?

I agree eight year olds do not generally think or write like that - 'xenophobic' and 'I predict Trump will start a world war three' are not from a typical eight year old. I think the mother is trying to present her son as exceptional for his age.

For this generation, eight is young for a child to have knowledge of two World Wars and worries around a 'World War Three'. I think an eight year old who was free to choose, would more typically write about baseball, football, fishing, camping, holidays, bicycles, Batman, monster trucks etc - things within his liking and experience. I think he had either been coached into writing the letter, or was otherwise repeating verbatim things he had often heard said at home.

IMO, the letter is 'fake'' inasmuch as it does not originate from the child so much as from a manipulation of the child to conform to an adult's agenda, which is a type of emotional abuse.

I think it's very likely the mother coached the child into writing the letter, as she said, 'this is his' rather than that he wrote it. If it was written in school, I'd say either the teacher manipulated the class, or the child was always anxious to please his mother, who would possibly later see it; as the mother does not say he wrote it in school, or even that he wrote it, I think it more likely he put the words which were given to him, by his mother, onto the page. Possibly another adult or teenage sibling, but as the mother is proudly posting it, the mother?

--

It brings to mind the case of the boy who was thrown out of his home by his mother because he had voted Trump in a school mock-election. They seem quite different, as one mother is proud of her child, the other ashamed, yet I think they also are somehow similar, in that approval of the child is conditional upon their conforming to expectations?

Anonymous said...

In her tweet, she states "my 8 year old's class." She does not refer to him as my son, or refer to him by name. He's only 'my 8 year old' minimizing his identity. She abruptly states "this was his," no mention of the process of writing the letter or of her son's feelings. "This was his" is ambiguous because she does not come out and state who wrote the letter (for obvious reasons), although she is trying to lead people to believe he wrote it by making it "his" possessive. It appears that she instructed him on what to write. In the letter itself, language is used which strongly suggests it is not her son's language, such as xenophia. World War III. Young kids don't refer to wars as "world" wars. Also I would bet most kids don't pay attention to Donald Trump's middle initial.
She is projecting her feelings onto him, thereby ignoring or suppressing his thoughts/feelings. She controlled what he wrote in his letter. She is also informing him of topics which are not appropriate for his age and instilling him with fear.

Hey Jude said...

The incident in which a seven year old boy, with a suitcase, was put out onto the street by his mother - she asked him why he voted Trump in the school election. He said he voted Trump because he 'saw him on tv a lot'. She said he 'better find another tv to see him on a lot'. In finding fault in his choice, she was putting onto the child a political awareness he did not possess - he did not understand what voting Trump 'meant' to his mother, but he was made to understand, 'We don't do Trump in this house!'. It was in their house he saw Trump on the tv a lot, so that would not have made any sense to him.

The mother later described what she did as a 'joke'. Through the supposed 'joke', the boy possibly will grow up afraid to speak for fear of speaking out of turn, and maybe very confused about what they do or don't do in their house, at least if he thinks that might somehow relate to what he sees a lot on tv.

I think the boy in the letter, caused to write such opinionated statements, is similarly emotionally abused in having an adult's political preference imposed upon him, albeit in a more subtle way - neither child should have need of political concern or opinion at seven or eight years old.


Suitcase Boy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuktXse6Vg0

lynda said...

I find this whole letter writing incident quite fascinating because I actually know a few 8 year olds that do talk like that and yes, they were 'taught" by their parents.

Is it abuse to "teach" an 8 year old the things that were wrote in this letter? I don't think so. I'm trying to be honest here and "look in the mirror" at my own stuff like we discussed in a previous thread.

I live in a school district that is consistently in the top 3 public schools in the nation. A few years, we were number one in the nation. Parents of these kids are, for the most part, intelligent,articulate,socially aware, and they expect their kids to be also. They talk about politics, the economy, business, etc. at the dinner table and they raise their kids to believe and embrace their own personal belief systems (as MOST parents do).They are heavily involved in all aspects of their kids lives and education is their number one priority. There was much political talk going on at the grade school level between the kids with the kids echoing their parents sentiments because that's what kids do.
These kids are very aware of the NEWS also because they watch it. They listen. Because that's what their parents do.

lynda said...

continued..

I am confused that you would say this letter constitutes a "fake" hate. I don't believe it is fake hate. I don't see any hate, much less "fake' hate. Is it abusive for a parent to tell their kid that they are not voting for Trump because they believe he is a xenophobe and then explain what that is? Or to say that he is a misogynist and then tell them what that means and why they believe that to be true? Or to explain what corruption means and why the "email thing" was bad? Parents have been doing that since the beginning of time. The kid (or more than likely, his mom) stated that they think Trump is a xenophobe and also has problems with Mexicans. He says it will be bad for America and the next 4 years are going to be tough living here. He says he is predicting a war with the Mexicans. These are all opinions (from his mom no doubt)
To say that this could be fake hate and ask if it is abusive for parents to teach their kids this regarding THIS PARTICULAR LETTER is a reach. I just don't see "hate" and who's to qualify what is "fake"
To me, fake hate occurs when you blame a particular race or culture for something awful that NEVER HAPPENED in the hopes of creating racial strife, violence, etc. This letter did none of that.So to me..no fake hate.
Plus, if we are getting to the point where parents are not allowed to pass on or teach their political leanings or beliefs to their children, their moral code, their value systems, where does that end? So a certain group of people can tell other parents what to say to their kids? That their not allowed to call Trump a xenophobe? Particularly since there have been sitting Presidents called MUCH worse than that and nobody blinked an eye.

The God awful "grab them by the pussy" comment that our President elect said was played over and over in the media. My grandson (who lives with me and attends these schools) is 11. In comparison to a lot of kids, he's rather naive. He asked me what pussy meant. I told him. He turned flame red and then it all came together in his head about what that statement meant. He said he shouldn't talk like that, I agreed and then we had a discussion about how men should treat women and that I didn't approve of a man that said such things, I'm not raising him to say such things and I better not ever hear him say such things.

The media was relentless. We had discussions about the making fun of the disabled reporter, calling women fat and ugly, what a "bimbo" was, I am Mexican which makes HIM part Mexican so we had the discussion about what a "rapist" was and why Trump said that in regards to Mexicans. (That one almost made me cry because he didn't even know what rape meant and to think he had to learn because our future President brought it front and center in regards to Mexicans) and we also had talks about what "adultery" was, what happened in Benghazi, why people said HRC was a liar and a criminal. It was exhausting and heartbreaking. I had to tell him because kids were discussing it IN SCHOOL and he was asking. I didn't want him to believe that certain actions, statements, etc. was "OK". They were taking sides..it's ALL anyone was talking about and he is in the 6th grade!
When he asked me who I was voting for, I told him it was none of his business. Because it's not. He's going to have to make those decisions himself. Hopefully, after wading thru all the mud and getting to the truth, if that's possible.

Anonymous said...

more people read msm than you think Peter! they bought into it and think telling their 8 year old war is coming isn't emotion abuse
guess this backfired

lynda said...
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Peter Hyatt said...

When the emotional abuse of a parent upon an 8 year old child is blamed upon a politician, we remain at absurdity.

As to reading Main Stream Media, the hope remains that even amateur level analysis will help
readers see past the deceptive narrative.

Peter

Lisa21222 said...

Anonymous - December 20, 2016 at 11:47 AM

I too thought it looked like "mean" was added as an afterthought due to the spacing, but "mexicans" is the same way. It looks as if the person writing it decided only to use two lines per line of text if the text would actually require 2 lines, but if all the characters fit in a single line, they did not leave an extra line blank above it.

That said, no kid wrote this, although they may have copied what an adult wrote, including the layout.

Peter Hyatt said...

8 year old fearing war...

In interviewing children, we look for the parental language within a child. Finding some 8 year old who frequently uses the word "xenophobic" is to ignore the norm and suggest inability to understand "the expected" in analysis.

Similar to finding "and hence" is "many" statements, it is the narrative destroying the "expected" and leading to analysis failure.

No, a child who uses the term "xenophobic" is not exceptionally smart; he is being groomed to be a moral narcissist. I have interviewed many abusive parents who took their children into adult confidences, often destroying the other parent's appropriate influence over the child.

One might as well begin a savings account for the child's future therapy.




Another abusive parent, in the extreme:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jihadi-parents-kiss-daughters-aged-9494372


Hubby convinces wife to go jihad for allah.

Imagine what these two will be like.

Anonymous said...

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/12/the_vast_cognitive_gulf_between_the_left_and_the_right.html


Peter or someone who works here can you share your views on this ? Is it true ? Is it this black/white because when I grew up differences were debated and not like this. Tia

Anonymous said...

Lynda, in your post, you stated parents "raise their kids to believe and embrace their own personal belief systems (as MOST parents do)." I don't believe you can know for certain that most parents raise their kids in this way, because you don't know most parents. That is not true for myself as a parent, and I don't believe that is true of MANY parents. I am trying to raise my kids to think independently, to come to their own conclusions, to think for themselves. Not to be ingrained with my opinions and personal feelings about anything. I believe kids learn mainly from example. For example, I am a Republican. My 11 year old daughter, who is very savvy about politics because I used to work in politics, had positive feelings about Hillary Clinton initially because she was excited about the possibility of the first woman President. However, over time, yes including listening to discussions between my husband and I about politics, and listening to the news, she began to glean more information and her opinions began to change, lining up more with her own values. Kids have their own opinions about things because they are their own people. Kids whose parents project their thoughts and feelings onto their kids, force/coerce/strongly urge their kids to adopt their feelings do end up in therapy, frankly because their own feelings and thought are ignored or invalidated. Either their parents' thoughts and feelings become their own or they face abuse because they don't conform to their parents' ways. Especially troubling is when parents discuss things with or in front of their kids that are not age appropriate. There needs to be a boundary between parent and child. They are not on the same mental and emotional age of adults. Finally, you indicated your grandchild heard the word pu*** from the news, but from what I recall any time the news made reference to that comment the word was bleeped out or blurred in some way.

lynda said...

Peter said
"No, a child who uses the term "xenophobic" is not exceptionally smart; he is being groomed to be a moral narcissist. I have interviewed many abusive parents who took their children into adult confidences, often destroying the other parent's appropriate influence over the child."

My grandson is 11, will be 12 in March so there is quite a difference in "intellect"in that age range. 8 is pretty young. Even so, he did not know what a Xenophobe was so he asked and I told him.

I am also an opponent of this "my kid is my best friend I tell him everything" movement I see all the time. This just floors me, I find it so inappropriate and bizarre. That's why I said it was none of his business who I voted for. It's also none of his business how much money I make or have, my bills, my sex life, my conversations with other adults..etc. I'm appalled at what I see over and over here, parents treating their kids like they are their Peers and equals. I don't believe in that nor do I do it.

I'm trying to understand this and also to look at myself to see if something is hidden that I cannot see. Is it being a moral narcissist to explain what a Xenophobe is when asked? To explain tht derogatory words for women a?e wrong and not to be used by any boy I'm raising? My grandson is also not allowed to listen to most of current music that is popular amongst his age group because of the profanity, the glorifying of killing or murder, raping women, calling women whores, etc. that a lot of the rappers use. We do not own an Xbox.

Peter said, "When the emotional abuse of a parent upon an 8 year old child is blamed upon a politician, we remain at absurdity. "
_____________

Is that what I'm doing? I'm emotionally abusing my grandson by answering his questions in relation to how they're asked? It was all Trump and Clinton for many months. He said this, what does that mean? she said this..what does that mean? The news said this..what do they mean?
I did use Trump as an example because the question was asked in that context, that Trump was the one who said it so I had to say, Trump is WRONG for saying that. That is WRONG. Same with Clinton. Clinton is WRONG to lie. Clinton is WRONG to blame other people for something she did etc.. I didn't see myself using a politician to emotionally abuse my grandson. When the question arises because of something an entertainer said, I say the same thing. Or a neighbor, another kid, a teacher.
I will always tell him that it is wrong that a man would speak that way about a woman or that a woman would lie and not take responsibility for her actions or speech.
It's almost like you are referring to what domestic courts refer to as "parental alienation". Where one parent lies and creates false scenarios to reflect their hatred of their ex spouse and then relays that information to the child, in a direct attempt to make the child hate the other parent.
IDK..maybe I'm just to old for this kid raising business anymore!

As far as an 8 year old fearing war, my grandson is fearful of that too. He's fearful of tornados, bombs, school shootings, a whole lot of things that I was never afraid of. My grandson is somewhat of a news junkie and I have a tendency to brush it off. Many times I tell him he has to stop watching the news because all it does is scare him. It's scary for me! He's really scared of school shootings but they practice lock downs now..they have practice drills of run/hide/fight in school in case of a shooting. Run/hide/fight IN GRADE SCHOOL. He is scared of war. He sees all this war everywhere else, why not here? I get irritated sometimes that he seems so fearful and tell him to relax, that he can't go thru life being afraid and such but I don't know if that does any good or not.
I don't know. I'm pretty confused at this point and am even more convinced that I'm to old to be raising a kid!

CptKD said...

Touché!

Hey Jude said...

I agree he is not exceptionally smart (he can't spell 'which') - the mother wants to present him as such, by the use of 'xenophobic' and 'I predict'. She is blinkered to how obvious it is he has not written the letter of his own volition, and even to the fact that there is a problem with that.

For a homework exercise, the adult input goes beyond what is or might be acceptable, depending on the teacher - maybe some help with spelling, or ideas, if he can't decide what to write about - 'dear America' is a bit abstract, IMO, so one can imagine he might have asked for some help. I think 'Donald J Trump' would be far down the preferred list of interests and possibilities for most eight year olds, and that, with the words chosen, makes me think the child has been used as an instrument of the adult's ego.

Anonymous said...

wanting the first "woman" president is sexism. plain and simple. i talked with some women who said they knew that hillary clinton sold our america did the lying about benghazi and that she deliberately ran her own server but that they wanted to vote for her because she was a woman. i have no respect for this type of sexism where they condemn sexism while embracing it it is as bad as the first black president. you must dislodge thinking and now say i want not the best but one who fits my agenda it is hard to understand how easily people are fooled by this nonsense yeah we got our first black president and now the world is in shambles and how many have been killed by islam because of it? yeah we got our hope and change and "everybody" has healthcare but just talk to others and see what a $5,000 deductible means when you make too much money for welfare. he divided us and blacks and whites hate each other and liberals call us deplorable anyoen stupid enough to vote for a president because of sex or race gets what they deserve

Bobcat said...

"Xenophobic" is baseless name calling. Trump is not afraid of foreigners, having married two foreign born women.

To reference one of my favorite Peter quotes: "Rather than have a healthy debate over principle, name calling suggests a form of tyranny that seeks to impose an indefensible position upon others by silencing them. It belies the weakness of the position."

Intentionally mislabeling an opponent and indoctrinating fear into a child is emotionally abusive, akin to verbally demeaning the other parent in cases of divorce.

When discussing presidential candidates with my children over the years, I shared my opinions but they've always been tempered with the explanation that:
We have three branches of government, the president is only the head of one branch and he/she can be overruled by the other two. There will be midterm elections every two years to give voters the opportunity to reshape congress if necessary. So there is no reason to be emotionally dependent on who the President is. Look at the family, home, village, town, city, county and state that you live in. Look at your community schools and places of worship. Are they good? Are you safe and prepared to take care of yourself if necessary? The federal government and president are not your babysitters.

And somehow I usually end up with the Cub and Boy Scout Mottos.
Do Your Best and Be Prepared.
Merry Christmas Everyone!

Anonymous said...

"Pronouns and Articles are instinctive"
They don't lie. That is, unless, MSM edit to their desire. The alleged Shooting (road rage) of a young kid with his grandma.

If we adhere to the principle (Article) then she (grandma) iether, knows, (first hand) or she is lying.

Analysing second hand (he said she said....) text, oral, and so on, is very dangerous.



Habundia said...

The mother said "his class wrote letters, this is his".
How could he have asked his mom about spelling these words? Then it would probably his teacher who helped him with these words. To your last question, i would think some can, depanding on how sensitive they are for the hurt of others....they can feel sorry for the cat too if it was being hurt by someone for example, if they could be sorry for a whole country that i doubt, only when taught of course

Anonymous said...

I think more concerning than the undeniably severe emotional abuse apparent in this letter is the child's inability to form a letter "m" consistent with American handwriting standards.

Anonymous said...

The child should be commended for his or her neat handwriting. I wonder why there seems to be some curly cues surrounding the "D" in Donald...did the child begin writing with cursive and was he or she discouraged by the adult present?

Habundia said...

I always find it difficult when people just say things without a reasonable explanation of what they mean to say....i often get to hear i write to much lol....but i think most are writing to little and are being vague i like to be clear and love clear responses too
still i do wonder why the grandmother had called the toddler "kid" instead of calling the name of this boy during 911 call (though didnt read transcript of this or heard the call) but because the woman of 911 said "this little kid's been shot", i asume he didnt mentioned his name.
i also wonder, if someone is shooting (even if it would be in air) would you then go on with your ride just as nothing has happend and only after 10 miles check if your grandchild is alright? I find this strange reaction, wouldnt you think a loving grandmom would check the boy when driving away? Or made shock caused she didnt?
I wonder if one of her kids had something to do with this shooting? Not that they shot but maybe because of some criminal things, like drugs , money that kind of thing.

Jo said...

My thoughts too Habundia. Is she covering for a son or daughter who was involved in something illegal or an accident with a gun. I would have stopped to check on passengers and then report shots fired immediately.

Habundia said...

Yes exactly, you dont drive on to the mall after gunshot being fired with your grandson in the car without looking if hes allright.....not if you love your grandson.

lynda said...

Anonymous Habundia said...
I do not agree that conversations about rape, war and molestations are emotional abuse. It totaly depands on what is being said about those subjects and in which context.
When it is spoken about in a way that is educating then its not abuse....but is it spoken in a way to groom then damn right it is abuse

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I am in agreement.



Scarlet said...
Discussing rape, war and sexual molestation (grab their pussy) with an 11 year old is emotional abuse.

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That's pretty black and white Scarlet. I never wanted to "discuss" these things with an 11 year old, who would for Gods sake? He brought his questions to me, and when you're a parent, you answer them. Unless you don't. I am one who answers and I am glad he came to me. I would not blow off any of his questions, particularly when he was unsure what certain words meant. I don't want him learning their meaning from the schoolyard. There was no "grooming" in my responses to him.
I am curious to know when you think you SHOULD be discussing these subjects? Kids are having self defense classes, how to "twist and turn" to get away from an abductor, running drills for school shootings, suicide prevention, drug awareness and prevention, in the 6th grade here. It's naive to think a 6th grader is not exposed to talk and opinions of others at school. I for one, am just doing the best I can and trying to raise up an honest, kind, empathetic young man.

Anonymous said...

linda did Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton force you to talk to your children about rape? is it bill's fault that you had to teach your children about rape?

did you have to tell your children about child rape when the news broadcast hillary;s mocking of the child victim?

Anonymous said...

my kids are 12 and 13 where the hell are your kids even hearing of this stuff???

mine haven't.

do you even bother to protect your children from adult politican nonsense??

Bobcat said...

Anon at 8:16,

Bill's actions with an intern at work forced many parents to explain "blow job" to their children.

Anonymous said...

my kids don't watch unrestrained tv and internet i don't blame politicians for what my children hear because I shield them. As to what a teacher brings, well that is a new brave world of lies. When a teacher doesn't know if a boy is a boy or girl i have little use for them.

age appropriateness is a lost function today. i also think parents who like barak hold beyonce up as a "role model" as she describes, in her songs, graphically how she has sex in the back of a car, should not be surprised when they immoral children.

immoral

it is a judgment. There is a right and a wrong. imagine if every crude thing your husband ever said was published on the front page of all MSM; the same MSM that buried another politician's destruction of a nation JUST TO GET ELECTED YEARS LATER and prove how "fit" she was for office.

yes, wikileaks. yes, her emails. yes her murder of a nation's leader just to show everyone how she could handle world affairs.

no, we would rather talk about some crude politician's crude REMARK more than another politicians MURDER, and THEFT of nation after nation and the selling of military secrets by her husband and the islamization by the POTUS.

yes, lets not look at the child rape victim RE-TRAUMATIZED by hillary. Lets not listen to her laugh how she nailed the little girl on the witness stand. lets talk about trump grabbing someone by their *****

we all know that this hurts our feelings

this hurt is far worse than the thousands killed after the murder of ghadaffi or it hurts more than what the Ambassord's family in bhengazi feels.

Jo said...

Road rage Grandmother's statement at vigil:
"In no shape, form, or fashion did I know anything of that multitude was going to take place,"

Would anyone be expecting something like this to happen? Why does she have to tell us she didn't know this would happen?

"Who gives anybody the right to blow at you and tells you that you can't blow back, and to get out of a car and shoot a gun and take an innocent life, whether you think there's someone in the backseat or not," says Macon.

Using "you" instead of "me" or "I".

How did she know if the killer knew/thought about if there was someone in the backseat or not?

Macon has spotted the car before.
"For those of you in this neighborhood, I've seen this car in this neighborhood before,” says Macon. “I can't tell you what house, but it's been on this street."

I've seen "this car", isn't "this" used for closeness to an object vs using "that".

"I can't tell you.." embedded in her sentence.

The accused says the car the grandmother was in was following him (too closely) originally and that he allowed her to pass before she stopped for several minutes at a stop light. The vehicle the grandma was driving was a Charger. (sporty car) I wonder if that car didn't belong to her son/daughter and it was a case of mistakenly thinking someone else was in the car. I think grandma knows this wasn't random road rage but needs to protect the connection between the shooter and her family.

Anonymous said...

When parents post about their kids online and their introduction is deliberately vague (my 8 year old) the concealment is likely out of protection rather than a made up story. I don't give my kids names to strangers and trolls. Some people will use fake names others only initials. That being said I think the letter was dictated. AnonJA