Thursday, October 19, 2017

Should Courtney Bell Be Charged?

Baby Caliyah's body was found and her father has been charged in her killing. 

It was the child's mother who called 911.  

This was recently on Nancy Grace's show in which Sheryl McCollum spoke about the call.  It is here.  Sheryl did a good job in communicating why we analyze. 

Question for Analysis:  Does the mother show guilty knowledge of the crime?

Should she be charged?  

Here is enhanced analysis of the 911 call.  

PO: What is the emergency?

CB:I just woke up, my daughter woke me up on the couch, um, I have a two year old and I have a two week old - and m- my two week old is not in her sleeper, and her paci is on the floor 

She has a missing child to report, but does not.  Here is what she reports.  Where one begins is a priority.  It is the first things processed by the brain.  

Note some studies show that females use up to 3 times more words, per day, than males.  

1.  I just woke up. 

Alibi Building. 

This is to indicate to police that the caller's priority is that she could not be involved nor possess any knowledge about what happened to the victim because she "just" (time) woke up. 

Note the need to presuppose that she was asleep. She does not say "I was asleep" instead focusing upon her point of waking up. 

That she begins with the pronoun "I" means we are likely to find reliable information within her statement (911 call) 

Not only does she want police to believe she was asleep but that the element of time is of concern to her:  "just" woke up.  This dependent word is used to compare the timing to something else.  

Note that at this point, she has not been accused of being awake during the crime. 

The caller indicates that she expects to be accused of being awake during whatever happened to Caliyah. Guilty people give away their guilt ("consciousness of guilt) in not only behavior, but words.  

For example, deleting emails, destroying evidence, lying, and so on, all are used to prove consciousness of guilt in court.  This is the same as "the need to lie" in analysis. 

2.  "my daughter woke me up."

Second is the one who caused her to wake up.  This would be to double down on the fact that in order for her to be awakened, she had to be asleep. Yet, she still does not state that she was asleep.  Sheryl addressed this point. 

 We want to hear directly from this mother what happened.  

Will she? 

If her own words were not believed, she now introduces an eye witness:  her two year old daughter. 

Note the element of neglect in which the mother is awakened by her two year old. 

This is a verbal indicator of both substance abuse and neglect.  

Neglectful parents often boast of their young child's "independence" and we sometimes even find children as young as this child in a "parentified" role over the neglectful.  

Some of these children will be able to operate ovens or toasters only to have their parents brag to others how "advanced" the neglected child is.  

3.  If you still don't believe she was sleeping and don't believe the eye witness testimony of the two year old (the second person introduced in this interview), she now gives the location of where she was awakened. 

"...on the couch."

Liars sometimes feel a compulsion to give lots of details thinking that they will be believed if they pile them on.  Recall Casey Anthony's factiousness "Zanny the Nanny"?  Casey not only showed consciousness of guilt in this, but within the wording she gave a description beyond what police would need to identify her, including "perfect straight teeth."

The location is given here, unnecessarily.  We are waiting to learn why she is calling but the location is more important, priority wise, than getting to the missing child.  

One of the things that Nancy Grace said on the show was about her own maternal projection.  This is why we listen and believe, even when we know someone is deceptive, because in the deceptive, we still gain information. 

It is very likely that mother is awakened by her child.  This is what daily neglect looks like. 

The mother, just like Nancy Grace, projects her version of "normal" onto her audience.  Nancy gave her "expected" in both statement and behavior, something that is her normal.  Her normal is to have the children in bed and the mother up caring for them; not the other way around. 

Our caller is telling us what her "normal" looks like.  It comes through her language. 


This is as to say "you have to believe me but if you don't you have to believe the 2 year old, but if you still don't, here is an unnecessary specific detail that only a truthful person would give...I was on the couch,

This is all to overwhelm the listener with persuasion that the caller was asleep. 

This need to persuade tells us:  The Caller was awake. 

The priority for the caller is that she could not possibly be accused of anything because she was sleeping and can "prove" it. 

Will she report her child as missing?

4.   I have a two year old 

She further revisits that she must be truthful about sleeping because not only did her two year old wake her (on the couch) but this two year old, does, in fact, exist and his hers. 

Note the order. 

If you had two children and one was missing, which would you mention first?

Note that no name is given. 

5.  and I have a two week old 

The victim is her fifth point, but she has not yet reported her missing. This sounds like an afterthought; not the purpose of the call.  

One should consider why this addition is made.  It may be because she knows she "does not have" a two week old; suggestive of knowing the child is dead. 

Analysis Question:  What is the purpose of this call?

This assertion of having both is unnecessary information.  It suggests to the listener the need to persuade that she has two children.  

This should lead us to question,

At the time of this call, does the caller know she has but one child?

She now gets to her 6th point:

6.  and m- my two week old is not in her sleeper,

She does not report the child missing.  She reports where the child is not. 

This is an example of deception while being 100% technically truthful.  

It is true that the two week old is not in her sleeper. 

Where else is her two week old not?

7.  her pacifier is on the floor

Nancy said that this is something she would recognize due to it being a possible sign of kidnapping:  the kidnapper grabbed the baby and left so quickly, so as not to get caught, that he/she/they dropped the pacifier.  

Yet, since this came already low on the list of priority, we may also consider that a newborn's items on the floor is something the mother is not only used to, but comfortable saying.  She is attempting to deceive while not directly lying:

She does have a two year old;
She does have a two week old;
She was on the couch...
The toddler woke her up (very likely her norm) 

She does not state, "I was asleep" here.  This would be an outright lie.  She  casts the responsibility for a lie upon her two year old child.  

It is very likely that the newborn's belongings were on the floor.  It takes effort and order to be a mother; both precludes neglect. 

Regarding what happened, the priority of the call is that the caller was not awake. 

She has not reported her missing.  This is not lost on the 911 operator who repeats back the words in the form of a question: 

PO: She’s not in her sleeper?

CB: She’s not in her sleeper- sh-she’s not here, I’ve looked everywhere, I’ve looked under clothes and everything

She repeats "she's not in the sleeper" which is point 8. 

She has not yet told police that her child is missing.  

"She's she's not here" is point 9. 

She did not say she was missing, but just "not here."  

She does not say "she is missing; someone took her" and so on. 

The caller is deliberately avoiding a direct lie.  90% of lying is done in this manner.  

She repeats back the 911 operator's words.  This indicates one who is using unintended recipient (audience) and is limiting her words.  This is consistent with scripting rather than excited utterance. 

Only after repeating that she is not in her sleeper does she report where else the victim is not:

"she's not here" is also to report in the negative, another location where she is not. 

This is language we sometimes see when the subject knows the location of the child, but wishes to only focus on "safe" locations; where the child is not. 

She does not say, "my baby is missing" but reports two locations where the child is not:

"in her sleeper" and "here."

She then breaks with maternal instinct:

"I’ve looked everywhere, 

There is no need for police to search for her because the caller has searched "everywhere."

This is another indicator of guilty knowledge:  she does not want the child found. It is to state hopelessness, which is contrary to maternal instincts. 

This is often in the language of those with guilty knowledge of not only location, but also what condition the body is going to be found in.  

Since "everywhere" has been searched, there is no possible hope of finding her. This is not something a mother will admit.  It is a signal to police, before they even respond, that the mother knows the child is dead.  It is not the same as a past tense reference, but it is to contradict maternal instinct and natural denial. 

A woman's brain is distinctly female, flooded with specifically designed hormone levels, in earnest in the 8th week of life, 7 months prior to birth.  The hormones and their levels are what make a woman a woman, including powerful instincts to complement the biology of reproduction.  She is built, physically, emotionally and intellectually to give life and nurture it.  It is survival instinct that when challenged, gives powerful reactions.  This is why when a mother of a missing child references the child in the past tense, we ask, "Why does this mother believe her child is dead?" 

She then expands on what "everywhere" is in her subjective understanding and uses further language of neglect of a household: 

I’ve looked under clothes and everything

This is insightful into her norm.  Her newborn could be under clothes. 

They may have attempted to stifle the child's crying.  Let's listen for hints.  

PO: What’s your address, ma’am?
CB:12145 highway 36, lot 31
CB:Yes, lot 31

PO: Do you think somebody took her, ma’am?

This question is forced because the caller will not commit to any sentence of her own to make this claim.  

Recall the language of the McCanns in what they refused to linguistically commit to. 

Her answer gives further insight into neglect and the caller's personality: 

CB:My child said - m-m-m-my two year old said she’s gone…a-a-and I’ve looked everywhere in the house, so I - and I don’t know another possibility 

This is the same "child" who, at age 2, woke up the caller (on the couch) and made the report. 

This caller will, in self survival, blame anyone, including those closest to her.  This is critical information for the interview and interrogation.  

The two year old child is responsible for making a false police report.  This is the verbalized perception of reality of this mother.  

She will not say "someone kidnapped my baby" for herself, in the free editing process.  This is where we see similarity to the McCanns.  Sheryl did a good job with this point.  

PO: What lot number are you at?
CB: 31 

PO: Okay. And you said you were asleep, woke up and she was gone?

The mother did not say she was asleep.  The 911 operator has just confirmed the deception.  This is very similar to the Baby Lisa case where Deborah Bradley could not, in her own words, say "I was drunk."  The lawyer could say it for her, but she could not say it for herself. 

How many years of interviews have passed and the only people who will claim that Madeleine McCann was kidnapped are McCann supporters, but not the McCanns themselves? 

CB: Yes. Ma-ma-ma two year old came and woke me up 

She avoids saying "I was sleeping" and stays on script.  She goes back, chronologically, to double up the deception. 

If anyone believed the mother was asleep when the child was critically injured, they no longer do.  

Her child is "missing", and she attempts to repeat something, not about the child, but about herself.  Training for 911 operators in Analytical Interviewing would help. 

PO: Okay
CB: That’s [inaudible] on the couch. 

CB: Caliyah [calling loudly to missing baby]

This is an example of unintended recipient or audience.  She is playing to the recording.  She knows that a newborn is not going to respond.  Listening to the Nancy Grace program, this was the first time I heard the audio.  She is loud and clear in this.  

This gives insight into the intellect of the subject:  she is not very smart.  

Yet, there is something even more important than just the foolishness of trying to fool the police into thinking she is a caring mother. 

This shows further insight into the neglect.  The mother's own expectations are more than just foolish:  this mother's normal is not your normal nor Nancy Grace's normal.  In this mother's world, children do actually take care of themselves.

PO: How old is she’ ma’am?

Isn't it interesting that it was this loud calling out to a newborn that caused the operator to ask this question?

The absurdity is not missed. 

CB: Two weeks old.

PO: Okay. Who else would have come in your house?

The operator gave her these words; she did not produce them for herself and the operator follows up on the operator's own wording. This is to indicate that the caller is not working with police to facilitate the flow of information necessary to recover her child. 

CB: I - I mean - as far as I know nobody would’ve came in my house. My two year old says Poppa but I called my dad, and I called my grandparents, and they don’t have her. My dad’s on the way here now. 

She now further names those she would consider blaming to save herself.  

"I. I" shows a halting on the pronoun "I" which indicates, at this moment, an increase in anxiety. 

What caused it?

Next, the increase of anxiety is met by a pause, which further increases sensitivity of the question. 

What caused it?

What caused the need for a pause to think of an answer?
What caused the increase of anxiety in the stutter on a word used millions of times by the subject?

What caused it?

The topic of someone else there. 

Remember:  she was on the couch.  Her two year old woke her.  

The couch was sensitive to her.  It was unnecessary information but she used it. 

She not only used it, but she used it to further buttress her story. 

The couch, therefore, is extremely important to her. 

So is the floor, where the pacify was. 

The question of another person's presence has triggered anxiety and an increase in sensitivity. 


Why is this happening?

She only reported herself, her two year old, and that her two week old was not there. 

Why was this question so sensitive that it produced a stutter by a non-stuttering person and the need to pause to think?

 I - I mean - as far as I know nobody would’ve came in my house. 

One can only tell what one knows. 
This mother's child is missing. 
Still, she qualifies her knowledge with "as far as I know."

This is a signal that she is attempting to limit not only knowledge but responsibility for knowledge. 

What triggered this?

The presence of someone else.  

She did not report anyone else there but herself, her two year old and the new born.  

What should she do?

She now reports who is not there:  

My two year old says Poppa but I called my dad, and I called my grandparents, and they don’t have her. My dad’s on the way here now. 

Not only does she tell us who is not there, but gives us a term of endearment ("Poppa" of whom she calls "my dad.")

But she does not so much report this but assigns the responsibility of language to her two year old child.  

Had she been given the opportunity forensically, she might have blamed the newborn's death on the two year old.  

PO: Okay

[CB shouts something inaudible - a name?]

PO: Alright, how long have you been asleep?

Remember: this is an assumption that the deceptive and manipulative caller led her to.  It is not what the caller said.  

The mother avoids answering the question:  

CB: Um, the last time I woke up with her was around - I guess five, maybe 

She does not say how long she has been asleep.  The question is simple, if you just woke up, how long were you asleep?

The 911 operator is likely thinking of drugs and neglect.  

By avoiding the question, we now know the question of how long she was asleep is very sensitive to her. 

This supports the analysis that she was awake when Caliyah was assaulted. 

Next:  a.  note the child is without a name
b.  note the word "with" between herself and the child indicates distance. 

The refusal to use the child's name is psychological distancing language.  Review the "Baby Lisa" case here at the blog for further understanding of how guilt will drive distance into language. 

This is another denial of maternal instinct. 

PO: Okay. So you were asleep till five o clock?

Simple question repeating back the words. This is a "yes or no" question and the answer is important: 

CB: [lengthy pause] didn’t mean to fall asleep on the couch…I set down for a minute after dealing with her all night

What did she avoid saying besides "yes" or "no"?

Answer:  "I was asleep."

She cannot say it.  

The avoidance of this indicates not only the need for an alibi, but demonstrates how difficult a direct lie in an open statement is to tell.  

The revisitation of the location is to stay to script and persuade that with such a detail, it can't possibly be a lie. 

Victim Blaming

In child deaths and assaults, we often find that the guilty perpetrators (whether assailant or assistant) will find a subtle way to alleviate guilt by blaming the victim. 

Billie Jean Dunn talked about her daughter's "hormones."

Some that shake their babies to death will say, "she would not stop crying."

In a recent baby murder in England, the adoptive father ripped his little child's behavior.  

let's listen for the mother's linguistic disposition towards the victim. Do NOT forget:  the child is supposedly "missing" at this point: 

didn’t mean to fall asleep on the couch…I set down for a minute after dealing with her all night

a.  She reports what she did not intend to do.  She does not report falling asleep. 
b.  the location, again, is brought up.  This location may be where the altercation began, including the baby falling on to the floor. 

c.  The focus is not about the missing child, but self.  It is consistent with the priority of getting police to believe she was not awake when whatever happened took place.

d.  The mother explains why she "set down for a minute" which is the highest level of sensitivity in the statement.  

No one asked her, "Why did you sit down (or "set") for a minute?"

It is very likely that no one would have even thought to ask this question. Guilty people often give away their guilt by trying to answer allegations that are not even made yet! 

didn’t mean to fall asleep on the couch…I set down for a minute after dealing with her all night

Question:  Why did she sit (or set) down for a minute?
Answer:  Because she was dealing with her all night. 

Question:  Who is "her"?
Answer:    "her" has no name in the mother's internal dictionary.  She is not a person.  This is a subtle hint, along with the hopelessness of the search that suggests knowledge of the child's death. 

Victim Blaming:

This would not have happened if the mother did not have to "deal" with the victim all night.  

This is a decidedly negative word. (lesser context) 
It is to use a negative word when the child is missing. (Greater Context) 

What ever they did to her, it was her fault with "her" being the victim. 

If "her" does not have a name, she is not a person.  If she is not a person, but "depersonalized", mother can avoid guilt. 

This is the essence of distancing language.  

PO: Can you tell if someone’s been there - is her blanket there or gone? 

As a mother, which would be more important to you?  If someone came into your house, or the blanket?

This allows her to choose which to answer: 

CB: Ur - her blanket’s gone, her paci’s here on the floor - her blanket’s not with us, I don’t know where - I mean - I g- I don’t know, I guess it’s with her 

Although compound questions are to be avoided, a child with her blanket is often the work of a parent.  Perhaps the 911 operator knew this instinctively.  

The reference to the pacifier is unnecessary and it is repetitive.  It is another indicator of one trying to stay to script.  The mother thinks she is believed by giving out truthful points and even repeating them.  

Can you think of a case where the victim was found in a blanket and the parent or parents lied about the case?

PO: Okay.

CB: And I have clothes in totes, but i’ve looked all in ‘em and she’s not here

A two week old child in a tote, under clothes, tells you insight about the mother. 

This perplexed Nancy Grace because of projection.  She did not consider that this child may have been, at some point, muffled under clothes, or in a totes bag for transport. 

It is the mother's norm.  It is the mother's reality.  We "enter" into her verbalized perception of reality by following her language and being aware of our own.  

PO: Is there anything else missing, like a baby bag, that she would have, or anything -

This is like being on a fishing expedition for information.  The mother is going to stay to script.  

CB: No. Her bottle’s here - on top of my shelf - 
PO: Okay, what about

CB: Ah - my roo-In my bathroom on my vanity…
PO: Ma’am.
CB: Huh?

PO: What about anything else that could possibly have gone like, could be hers, that could’ve gone with her?

CB: Um - no. Nothing else. Just her and her blanket 

This is likely true, but without an inventory of the house, how would she know otherwise?

We are still waiting for the mother to report her missing.  This may seem strange to new readers, but it is what innocent parents do and then they ask for help for the victim.  They use the victim's name because they are innocent and the child is their own.  

PO: Okay, so the only thing that’s missing is her and her blanket? You didn’t talk to the dad, or her grandma, or anybody else?

Remember the question about someone being there? Recall the sensitive reaction she had, including the increase in anxiety where it did not exist elsewhere?

 It is on the caller's mind.  Note the return of halting on words.  Note the indicators of deception. 

Note the entire script that she kept to did not include the now charged father:  

CB: Her dad was here, and her dad just left- an-an he’s walking around the park looking for her - because my two year old says - I asked her - did somebody come in and take her, and she said - yeah, but I don’t - she’s two - so I don’t know whether I can believe that or not

She now addresses who was there.  Before she offered others, from the testimony of the 2 year old (who woke her up on the couch). 

"her dad" is now very important. 

What do we know about "her dad"?

1. Her dad was here, 

This is not what she offered before.  Instead, she offered names of those who were not there. 

2.  and her dad just left- 

Here is a signal of withheld information.  Rather than tell us where he was ("walking around the park") she reports his departure.  She is not "moving forward" linguistically.  He cannot be at the park unless he left there. This is unnecessary deliberately withheld information.  

an-an he’s walking around the park looking for her 

Why is he walking around the park?

She anticipates being asked this question.  
No one would ask this question.  Of course he is out looking for his daughter in the trailer park!  

yet:  the guilty know the truth. The brain knows what it knows and she is fighting to keep this information from the operator.  

He was not out searching for his daughter.  That is NOT what she said.  Listen to her.  Let her words guide you.  

He was "walking around the park.

She anticipates being asked, "Why is her dad walking around the park?" unnecessarily and this is how she, herself, is caught.  She wants to preempt the asking of this question. 

Note how she gives the reason why as it is highlighted in blue?  This is called a "hina clause" and it is longer than just a single word.  

These two points of sensitivity, so close together, tell us that she is deceptively withholding information about the child's dad.  

The dad's location is so sensitive to her that she is not done yet, explaining why:  

because my two year old says - I asked her - did somebody come in and take her, and she said - yeah, but I don’t - she’s two - so I don’t know whether I can believe that or not

Deception Indicated of the mother about the dad's involvement in the disappearance. 

This is to show that the mother PO: Have you looked through everything, ot under the bed? 
CB: Yes ma’am.
PO: The bathroom?
CB: Yes ma’am
PO: Okay

CB: Caliyah!
PO: Alright, what’s your name, ma’am?

CB: Courtney Bell C-O-U-R-T-N-E-Y B-E-L-L
PO: Just to let you know, Courtney, they've been on their way out, I’m just giving them this information to update them, okay?
CB: Thank you so much,

Nancy Grace correctly identified this as not expected and casual.  She humorously said that this was something she might say to a business but not when reporting her daughter missing.  

PO: What’s your phone number?

CB: Um, i’m not sure of this number, I - uh, my phone busted the other day, um this is my grandmother’s phone she’s been letting me use 

Phone records, including text messages, likely subpoenaed by police.  

PO: Alright, so you and the dad both were - i’m just trying to get to understand so I can let them know cause of the questions that they’re asking me
You and the dad both were asleep, or he just came back home? 

The mother withheld this information at first.  This is to "materially deceive" via deliberately concealing this.  

Mother was not alone.  

Note the need to link the two of them together.  This is information she withheld.  She gives it because she has to (she's been asked) but then returns to script.  Look what the connection does to her language:  

CB: No, w-we woke up together - she woke us up together 

PO: Okay. The two year old woke y’all up and told y’all that the baby was gone?
PO: Okay. 

The child is "missing" and we expect the mother to articulate this and to show concern.  What we get, instead, is the parentified child's reaction:  

CB: Sh - ah - she was kinda freaked out - I mean, h - uh - I, I don’t know - cuz she was just standing there beside the couch in the corner, and I told her come here, and I loved on her, n’then I told my baby's dad to go check on Caliyah, and then he's talking about she’s not here, she’s not in here?

The two year old likely witnessed the assault upon Caliyah.  The mother likely abused the two year old at this point.  

The mother has the need to show that she was in charge and ordering the two year old (again, insight into her reality and norm) and the father. 

She is complicit, not only in deception detection but in content and connection.  

Note that she does not even quote the father saying "he said she was missing" or anything similar.  Instead, she chose "talking", as if conversational.  

This is an indication of the complicity of the mother in the planning of concealment and deception. 

Even if only the father inflicted blows, the mother indicates her own involvement. 

PO: Okay. So the police should be in the area now
CB: Thank you
PO: I’ll go ahead and let you go, okay.
CB: Thanks.
PO: Uh huh

The politeness is the "Ingratiating Factor" where the guilty caller has a need to align herself with police.  She linguistically "ingratiates" herself into their good graces.  This is another signal of guilt.  

Who needs to be seen as the  "good guy" with police?
Answer:  a "bad guy." 

This is similar to DeOrr Kunz spending a great deal of time and energy thanking police and authorities for not finding his missing little boy.  

Analysis Conclusion:

This mother has guilty knowledge of what happened to the baby. This means that the mother was present for the assault, may have contributed to the assault and that the mother needs an alibi. 

The mother has a need to alibi herself.  She is willing to blame anyone else. 

That she does not directly lie should be noted for the interview strategy.  

Note the mother addresses the child as an afterthought and does not ask that she be found.  

This mother knows what happened to her child and that the father is directly involved.  His presence causes linguistic anxiety; the victim's disappearance does not.  

As of this writing, only the father has been charged. 

By this call, alone, the case is all but solved. 

The mother indicates guilt in concert in the death of the child.  This includes her attempt to conceal the child's location as well as what happened to the child.  

The mother should face charges.  This comes down to what prosecutors can prove, rather than what prosecutors believe. 

If administered a polygraph using her own words, she is not likely to pass.  

She blames the child for what happened.  

This is insight into human nature itself.  

Guilt is something the brain works overtime at avoiding.  It is why childhood training in right from wrong is critical.  It is why subjectivity and moral relativism will continue to increase violence and the subsequent prison population.  

Babies are often killed like this by impulse; not planning.  The babies that die from Shaken Baby Syndrome lose their life in a moment of the loss of self control. 

When children, teens and young adults are taught that their emotions rule over them, the result is that, when tested, their emotions may, in deed, rule over them.  

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Christina-Marie Wright said...

She says, “I told my baby’s dad to go check on Caliyah (this is the first time she says the baby’s name to the operator, in spite of her having called it out loudly in the background)...”

Why would she not say, “I told Caliyah’s dad to go check on her...”?


“I told my baby’s dad to go check on Caliyah (a person who has no established relationship, linguistically, with *my baby’s dad*)...”

is a far cry from:

“I told Caliyah’s dad to go check on her (his established daughter)...”

or even this:

“I told my baby’s dad to go check on her (my baby, who is now linguistically also *his* daughter)...”

Why is “my baby’s dad” not “Caliyah’s dad”?

I need to understand this principle. Please explain it, Peter?

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Habundia said...

About the 'check on Caliyah' part.
If she had fallen asleep on the couch and the baby was not found in her sleeper (which i looked up myself too, to see what kind of object this could be, and it seemed like something that you put on the floor) It is to wonder where that sleeper was placed, because one would think that it would be placed near the couch (where she set down and woke up from, though she never said she slept), but she then told her baby's dad to check on Caliyah. So where did he needed to go check on her? 'Walking around the park looking for her'? A two week old? Or did he need to check on her at her room? Her bed? Or did she always slept in that sleeper? Or did he need to check on her because she had done something to that baby and maybe dad is helping to cover up? Would be interessting to read the statements of 'dad', what does he has to say about the death of his 2 week old baby?
And what about the other 'trailer park' residents? Did anyone see anything? 'Dad walking around looking for the baby'?
I don't think the caller is as innocent as she pretents to be. And she surely isn't a mother (giving birth to a baby doesn't make you a mother, the way you parent does) And she isn't acting like a mother who is desperate when noticing her two week old baby is gone missing. It's sad how many of these innocent baby's and children die at the hands of parents or caretakers, but especially birth parents.

The fact she doesn't ask any help for her baby, and that she shows everything else of more importance then the missing of her two week old baby, that to me is an act of guilty knowledge. And not that of an innocent mother, who is missing her two week old baby.

Hey Jude said...

OT -

Transcript: Lamora Williams 911

PO: …what’s the address, and emergency?
LW: Yes - Ma’am, Ma’am - I have, have a question, and this is a serious matter - um, I just left my [cousin?] in the house with the - with my…she just left my kids in the house when I came back from work, ehm, my kids - two of my kids are dead. What am I, what do I, what do I got to do - they dead - she left them dead in the house by theyself.
PO: Uh, okay, ma’am, where are you now?
LW: I’m in my house, she left my door open, my baby boy, my oldest baby boy, he’s the only one left - the only one left alive. she’s left, she left, she left them in the house by they selves, she left them in here and they not o- - they were - can you listen? When I came in my stove was laying on my fr - was laying on my youngest son’s head and my other son was laid out on the floor with his brains right on the floor - I don't know what to do, I just came home from work, and my [sitter?]] left my babies dead…
PO: Okay ma’am, I’m gonna get you EMS, and police and fire at the location, okay
can you tell me where you’re located?
Um - um - um - ma’am, I can’t even talk - this is so serious, I’m so scared, I don’t wanna get locked up cuz I was at work.
PO: okay - ma’am
LW: And I don’t…
PO: okay, ma’am, I can understand that you’re scared, I completely understand, but I need to get some help out to you there now - can you tell me where you’re located?
LW: I understand, but can you, can you please help me, like can please tell me like - I don’t want to get locked up cuz this is not my fault - I had just came home from work. I just came home from work.
PO: Yes, ma’am
LW: I just came home from work.
PO: Okay. Ma’am - the first thing I need to do is get some help out there to you. I understand that you’re upset and you’re scared
LW: There sitting here dead - like it, it, it’s no way I’m to fault - she left my babies dead and I don’t have no way to reach her
PO: Okay, if you’re not sure, if you were at work ma’am, listen, if you were at work while this happened, then the responsibility is going to fall on your sister if that’s who you left them with - okay? Okay, hold on one moment because i’m going to also get EMS on the line as well, okay?
LW: Yes - please
PO: Hold on one moment, yes ma’am, - stay on the line with me, hold on one moment for me.
LW: Okay
EMS: Okay, tell me exactly what happened
LW: Whhh —- I just came home from work - my babies was dead in the stove - dead and I just came home from work. My cousin was babysitting my kids, and left my kids dead in my house - and [inaudible] how long they been in this house
EMS: alright, wait, is - is your son - is he obviously dead, is he breathing at all? can you tell me if he’s breathing?
LW: He’s dead - he’s burnt - both of my children is dead - they head is burned - they, the stove is laying on the floor, one of my babies, the stove is tipped over, and everything
EMS : [makes request to colleague ]
EMS to colleague: Thank you so much
Please help me - please
EMS: alright, ma’am - I’m en route, okay?
LW: Okay - thank you so much.

Hey Jude said...

^^^ Is she mentally ill?^^^

'I have a question - and this is a serious matter'.

Hey Jude said...

Thank you for the further analysis, Peter - it's fascinating.

I think that even if she were a victim of domestic violence - he looks brutish - and had been afraid all the while he was with her, she could have reported truthfully what had happened to the baby, as she called 911 while alone - her boyfriend/husband was outside - he would have been arrested almost as soon as the police arrived. I agree she is also guilty, in that she assisted him, in the very least, by lying to the police. I suspect she also was the one who found the tote bag, possibly even put the baby inside it.

It is so sad to know the two year old likely did witness the murder of her sister, AND then was probably also abused herself, by her mother. Someone said earlier that 'loved on' is an odd sounding phrase - is it odd to American ears, or a normal thing to say? Or is it not only that she said that, but she 'told her to come here' - and that 'loved on' is a need to persuade?

I have heard it - 'loved on' or 'love on' said elsewhere, In the Blackburn case, Phil said the family was going to spend Thanksgiving together 'loving on' each other, just a couple of weeks after Amanda's murder. I doubt anyone felt very much like loving on Davey, really. 'Loved on' sounds a bit too much, and insincere, somehow, to my ears - that might just be because we don't say it in the UK.


Hey Jude said...

Lamora Williams transcriprt - that might be 'braids' rather than 'brains' , sorry - that would be better with a question mark.

Bobcat said...

"'Loved on' sounds a bit too much, and insincere, somehow, to my ears - that might just be because we don't say it in the UK."

It is an intentially vague yet warm and fuzzy sounding christianese buzz phrase. You will be loved on as long as you are tithing and/or we need you to look the other way and stay quiet about something.

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Anonymous said...


Odd news I stumbled upon. It seems that residents of tiny Dickinson, Texas (pop. 18,000) may not get relief funds to rebuild from hurricane Harvey unless they sign a waiver not to boycott Israel.I can only imagine that if anyone were to boycott, the numbers of the crowd would be no more than two at the most.Israel
most likely isn't on anyone's mind as they are still-and will be for a long time-wading through muck, mire, trash and hard labor rebuilding.

It is these type of Christians that are destroying America.

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Alex said...

I "told" indicates stress.
"My babies dad" instead of "my husband or my boyfriend" also indicates a bad relationship.


Tania Cadogan said...

Off topic.

A transgender Wyoming woman was convicted Wednesday of sexually assaulting a 10-year-old girl inside a bathroom.

Michelle Martinez, who was known as Miguel Martinez before identifying as female, was found guilty of first-degree and second-degree sexual abuse of a minor and could face up to 70 years in prison.

The Billings Gazette reports Martinez, who is a family friend, invited the girl into the bathroom of a home on March 23, and touched her breasts and genitalia before penetrating her. The girl told her mother immediately after the assault, who then reported it to Casper Police.

After the attack, the girl told police "it hurt inside,” according to the Casper Star Tribune.

Nurses at the Wyoming Medical Center performed a sexual assault exam on the minor and found redness and abrasions around the girl’s genitalia.

When police initially questioned Martinez about the assault, she became “noticeably hostile and defensive” and said the girl was “talking crap” before denying being a child molester. Martinez also called the accusations a “publicity stunt,” the Tribune reported.

Martinez pleaded not guilty on both counts.

Although this was in someones house, it could have been a public bathroom.
This is why i don't want pre-op transgender men in ladies bathrooms.
There is bugger all stopping a man dressing up as a woman and claiming to be transgender in order to gain entrance to a ladies bathroom where they could assault or rape a girl or woman.
No one is going to ask if said person is pre or post-op and demand to see evidence, that would open up a whole raft of law suits.

In the UK at least, disabled bathrooms are gender free.
If you have a disability you can use them regardless, in some ladies bathrooms, the stalls are wider as a whole or they have one extra wide stall for those in wheelchairs or using walking frames, i haven't checked in a mens bathroom to see if they also have that option.

Would it not be better,instead of one large gendered bathroom with multiple stalls, there would be individual bathrooms extra wide to allow for those with disabilities with both a toilet and urinal in each and you use whichever bathroom is available first regardless of gender.
if you go into an unlocked bathroom and someone else is in there you would immediately leave.
They would remember to lock the door plus ne'er do wells would be unable to hide in an alternate stall.
Parents could check prior to letting their child enter and wait outside or go in with them depending on age.
No arguments over his and her bathrooms for transgenders since each bathroom is available for all to use regardless.
Everyone ends up happy, or am i just talking common sense?

Hey Jude said...

OT - it's translated from French.

Most recent at top- Facebook posts of Henda Ayari

20 October 13.13

I decided to file a complaint against Tariq Ramadan for what he did to me!
This complaint will be filed today! I may not have the same financial means to pay for lawyers and experts to defend me but I will go to the end of this fight no matter what!

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20 October 10.09

I'm really going to need support my friends, because by rocking the name of my attacker, who is not just Tariq Ramadan, I know the risks that I...
I have been silent for several years because of fear of des because by threatening to press charges for the rape I was a victim of, he did not hesitate to threaten me and to tell me also that we could go after my children. , I got scared and kept quiet all this time.
I also talked about it in my book in an entire chapter by changing its name, not being sued for defamation, but today I can't keep this secret too heavy to wear, it's time for me to Tell the truth.
It's very hard but I feel relieved, I felt the need to speak also for all the other victims, I really hope that other women victims, like me, dare to speak, and denounce this perverted guru who uses religion to manipulate Women!
I know he will fall on me with his team of lawyers and these many supports, which is why I'm really going to need you to support me! Because I'm about to go through a big storm, but I don't want to shut up or go back to the name of all the women victims!

20 October 09.34
I was a victim of something very serious several years ago, I never wanted to give his name, because I received threats from him if i ever balançais him, I was afraid, I dedicated him a Whole Chapter of my book, a lot of people contacted me for my testimony because they had guessed, I confirm today, the famous zoubeyr, that is Tariq Ramadan.

Image: page from book in which the rape allegation was made - the author claims the person she wrote about is actually Tariq Ramadan:

Henda Ayari's Facebook - unconditional support or much condemnation - not much between.


I wonder if anyone would be interested in doing SA on the above - or an accurate translation of the page from the book 📚 If anyone can and will - my French is very elementary. I know someone will say or think 'so is hers'. :). Was she kyping with her alleged rapist before or after she was 'a victim of something very serious'?

Hey Jude said...


Hey Jude said...

^!i think it should be illegal for anyone to make public the name of an alleged rapist. She did not even file a report before his name was blackened all over the internet - that has to be against justice.

Unknown said...

I agree hey Jude.

Hey Jude said...

Self-justification on her FB today is extreme - as though she is trying to convince herself and her readers that naming him as a rapist is reasonable, and a recognised form of justice. She says it's a fight, and he's an opponent. She appears to believe that she has so many supporters somehow makes right what she is doing.

Anonymous said...

Wow. Just wow.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Hey Jude IF she is right, is she right in what she's doing? Naming names to warm others?

Hey Jude said...

If she is right about what, Anon? If she is right about having been raped? She doesn't seem too committted to the idea, but I am no good at French.

Re - The Slate link to the slanted article - I don't see the relevance. Tariq Ramadan's position, public speaking, and beliefs, are irrelevant to the fact that he has been named publicly as a rapist by a woman who, coincidentally, has a book to sell, and who has made her claim five years after the alleged rape, on social media, rather than to the police at any time during the five years, or even a half hour before publishing her allegation on her social media.

Whether a warning might be due Is a matter which should have been established through a court of law, and by due process, rather than through a social media attack upon his character - her choice is cowardly rather than courageous - the damage and besmirching is done, and with such, it is difficult to avoid that was her intention, and she has no regard for the law, or due process. If she had wanted to 'warn' her supporters of her upcoming 'fight against her opponent', five years is a long time in which she had not already done so, and her claims seem opportunistic - Tariq Ramadan has been dubbed Harvey Ramadan by some.

Anonymous said...

She filed a police report.

Your questions belie someone who has never been raped (neither have I) in regards to waiting to report. Yet I understand questioning accusers for facts. You seem to come from a place of passive-aggresive blame, repeatedly, and from a nice, safe tower.

Tariq is a subversive Islamist. Ask Peter.

Hey Jude said...

She filed the police report eventually, but only after she had made her accusations on Facebook.

Tariq Ramadan's religious and political activity is irrelevant to the rape accusation made against him.

I believe people should take personal responsibility for their actions - interpret that as you will.

Anonymous said...

The story would have become public anyway, he's "famous." Do you have the manual on "How to Report a Rape"?

It's not irrelevant if there is a pattern.

You denigrate her statements and actions, yet have you actually done SA on her statement? No, because you mostly theorize, wonder and guess.

Anonymous said...

It matters if an accused rapist is famous?? Seriously??

So, with a not famous accused rapist it doesn't matter as much???

Anonymous said...

He sounds like a disgusting piece of filth. He advocates stoning women, yet you doubt he is a rapist? Riddle me that one Batman. These Muslim whackos dragging the world back to the Stone Age turn my stomach. They are almost as bad as libtards.

Anonymous said...

Excellent analysis as always Peter. One small correction to the above transcript. Go back and listen to the call, or look at another transcript online. She says "I'm sorry" at one point. I only found out about Statement Analysis a short time ago, but when I heard her say “I’m sorry” in the midst of this call (which was already a mess of a problematic 911 call by this point), chills went up my spine. In examples of guilty caller 911 calls that you have analyzed, "I'm sorry" often seems to be disguised as a simple "harmless" misspoken statement that is then "corrected" by the caller. It seems to be subconscious leakage rather than planned. The brain knows, and finds a way to slip this into the conversation.

In my opinion, the “I’m sorry” phenomenon is one of the clearest examples of why Statement Analysis is important: it seems counter-intuitive. Listeners who are not trained in Statement Analysis are likely to find this to be one of the least suspicious portions of the call. However, it is an obvious red flag to those with some familiarity with Statement Analysis. Here is the relevant portion of the call...

Bell: No... Her bottle's here... On top of my shelf...
911: Okay -- what about --
Bell: In my bathroom on my vanity, I'm sorry...
911: Ma'am?
Bell: Huh?

Bobcat said...

Yes, Courtney should be charged for neglect and obstruction of justice, for starters.