Wednesday, September 21, 2016

Guest Analysis: Valerie Timan Case by Ann Soule

                         Analysis of Luc Tieman by Ann Soule


What do the words we utter say about us? For some, we need lots of words for a picture to begin to emerge. For others, very few. For Luc Tieman, it took 20 words. 

 Luc’s wife, Valerie Tieman was last seen on August 30, 2016 by Luc himself at Walmart. He reported when he returned to their truck, she was gone. He did not report her missing. She was missing two weeks before her disappearance was reported by her parents who live out-of-state. During an interview with NEWS CENTER on Monday, 9/19/16, Luc spoke the following 20 words:

 "Just want her to come out, not be scared.  No one's going to get hurt or cares what she's done." 

 What does his 20 words say through the lens of Statement Analysis? 

1.   The pronoun "I" is missing at the start the sentence.  He begins a statement about his wife by ejecting himself from the sentence!  Luc, the subject, does not want to be psychologically in this sentence.  


 2.  "just" - is comparing something. Is the lesser of what he is considering or what he wanted?  What would he comparing her "coming out" with?  This is alarming. This, too, suggests domestic violence as part of his norm.  

3.  Next, we notice that he does not use her name.  This is to psychologically distance himself from his wife, while she is missing.  

"My wife Valerie" would have had:
a.  possessive pronoun 
b.  title "wife"
c.  name, Valerie

Just as he psychologically disappeared from his own statement, so it is that "Valerie" does not have a name.  To him, she is a non- person and he wants to distance himself from "her"; the non-person that has caused his involvement in this case.  

 Think about this:  He doesn't mention her name. 

It is possible he and the reporter may have been talking for a bit prior to this quote. "come out" - but there is no explanation for us to understand what she must come out of!  Come out? Of where? Is she in something? "not be scared" - this is in the negative of what not be feeling. This is sensitive and it is concerning. 

What would she be scared of. "No one's going to get hurt" - This is the language of Domestic Violence (DV)

Who is "no one"? This is a passive statement. In the negative. "going to" - is this to say some one already did get hurt? "hurt" - Where does the hurt come from? Leakage? Did she get hurt, or did he hurt her?

That he disappears from his own statement, removes her from it personally, and introduces the word "hurt", in a comparison sense, we are looking at someone who likely "hurt" her, or worse. 

I'm worried about this lady. I'm hearing domestic violence. I also hear blaming the victim as he also said but wasn't quoted by him specifically: Luc Tieman said the two were on good terms, which is unnecessary to say, but said she did mention some things a couple days before she went missing that made him worry, including her talking about another man. This speaks to not only jealousy, but he described "her talking" which puts the subtle blame upon the victim. 

The day she went missing, Luc said his wife told him she was going to leave and never come back. He shared a news reports from ABC on his facebook page. He made the following comment below on the post. I underlined a few words. 

Look who he "unifies" himself with via the pronoun "we":  

" Good news!! I just finished today's search with a couple of fine detectives (un-named) for Valerie Joy Tieman and one of the last places i saw her we found a set of (no later than a day old) womans footprints that matched her shoe patrern amd shoe size! they were with another set of male boots in skowhegan, maine. we took photos and will continue survaylence of the AO. 1 · 

What is "good news" about not finding her?


September 16 at 7:46pm Luc William Tieman "And we were talking about bringing in a k9 for tracking. Pray we find her! "

In analysis we call this ingratiating. 
Ann Soule, Statement Analyst I, Licensed Therapist 

This is similar to a father of a  missing boy praising law enforcement and search efforts for not finding his son.

 He also wrote in another post on 9/7/16: “There’s only ONE woman in the word for this man.”

This is similar to declaring his love, publicly, for her, which, within the realm of analysis, is a red flag.

Analysis Conclusion:  He has given us enough signals to know that he has guilty knowledge of what happened to her, and he is involved with Domestic Violence. 

update:  Valerie Timan's remains were found, and Luc Tieman has been arrested in her murder. 


27 comments:

Tiffany Gerik said...

Great analysis. What a tragedy.

Anonymous said...

Thanks so much for sharing this professional analysis, from another professional. So interesting! I knew it when he said, while making a public statement addressing her, asking her to come home: "No one's going to get hurt." What a dope. That was when I thought he killed her! Not that I'm a pro, but that single phrase told me he killed her.

Anonymous said...

She was the lead in a local play! How did she ever get mixed up with that guy? How could she have avoided her own murder?

New England Water Blog said...

Regarding the use of the word "just". I just had two long plane rides. I noticed from myself and other that we all seemed to say "just a water" to the steward but never "just a wine" or "just a beer". It does invoke what Peter says about the comparative nature of the word "just". The more expensive item does not seem to have "just" applied to it as it is with the cheaper or less prestigious item.
If for example someone asked what you drove and you said "just a Hyundai" it would sound natural but if you replied "just a Mercedes" you end up sounding pretentious.
Just something I was thinking about...

Nic said...

No one's going to get hurt or cares what she's done."

or cares (what she's done).

If [he] didn't care, why mention it at all? ;0)

Ann Soule said:
he described "her talking" which puts the subtle blame upon the victim.


This is great analysis. "She" provoked his jealousy.

Thank you, Ann!




Lis said...

He also disparaged the victim by insinuating she was the one who had "done" something:

"No one's going to get hurt or cares what she's done"

Anonymous said...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/21/new-low-disgraced-dem-anthony-weiner-sorry-after-texts-to-15-year-old-revealed.html
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New low: Disgraced Dem Anthony Weiner sorry after texts to 15-year-old revealed

"I have repeatedly demonstrated terrible judgement about the people I have communicated with online and the things I have sent," Weiner told FoxNews.com.

Weiner said, however, that he had “likely been the subject of a hoax."

"I have no one to blame but me for putting myself in this position," he said. "I am sorry."


Anonymous said...

He also wrote in another post on 9/7/16: “There’s only ONE woman in the word for this man"

Note he capitalises "ONE," putting emphasis on "ONE". She is his wife, she should be. Whom is he trying to convince that she is the "ONE", and why? Was there someone else? Was he having an affair? Had he had an affair in the past?. Did she? If she did have an affair it would explain, "ONE" though it suggest's, he has, too. He precedes this using "only," further suggesting that there may have been other people involved in their marriage, past or present.

"this man"

He doesn't say "him," further distancing himself psychologically.


Anonymous said...

*Correction

There’s only ONE woman in the word for "me" is the expected, and not "this man"

Nic said...

New England Water Bog said:
If for example someone asked what you drove and you said "just a Hyundai" it would sound natural but if you replied "just a Mercedes" you end up sounding pretentious.
Just something I was thinking about...


So true!

Anonymous said...

The facts implicate him.

All his statements did was seal the deal.

Peter Hyatt said...

John and others alerted me to the case and the statements (thank you, John), but Ann had been sending me short analysis as it unfolded.

She initially identified the language of domestic violence, and then after he posted, she went further.

Although it is a short article, she stayed disciplined: she did not "see" what was not there. She felt strongly that he was dead, but until he indicated it, she would not. This is disciplined and sober minded analysis.

Ann is a professional and worked hard to obtain the certification in analysis. A bit of insight into her tender personality is found here: http://healthyregion.bangordailynews.com/2016/09/01/home/what-ive-seen-as-a-therapist-treating-people-with-addiction/

She has gained compliments from professional analysts and investigators and has contributed to many cases of which she will never receive credit and that is how she likes it.

Imagine the effectiveness of therapy with one with this training and application!

Her work has reached a level where I can ask for a second opinion from her on my work. When you see such a simple product as this article, you may not realize the depth of analysis she has brought to an elite team, including diagnostic work from the psychological profile.


Peter

Becky Rose said...

This is such a sad tragedy. :(

It's imperative that domestic violence victims procure a safety net and use all available resources to make a safe and quick getaway.

One sad element to tragedies like this is that many victims don't leave, despite the fact that our society does make it a point to provide protection and resources. I'm not sure what the proper solution is, but we have to keep trying to figure out how to reach these women and help them to feel safe enough to leave.

Stories like this make me feel helpless to make a change for the better, so I can't imagine how the victims must feel. :(

Anonymous said...

I think women in abusive relationships often don't even think to reach out for help; it doesn't occur to them that there is help out there. Seems like having no resources (money) would make it feel even more impossible to get out of a bad situation. "I'm afraid of him, but where can I go? Nowhere."

Anonymous said...

I can't even say for sure that there is help for abused women in every corner of this country (US). I don't know who Valerie Tieman could have called, in her corner of the world. Anyone?

Lis said...

I looked up and read about this story, it's so sad. Such a beautiful woman. They had only been married 2 years. I believe her last name is misspelled in the title of this post, should be Tieman.

The statements of the husband are interesting to me to learn from now, knowing more of the story, as I can compare the statement analysis with what is now known, and it is accurate. The husband had been seeking to have affairs with her friends and they told her. Possibly this led to a showdown. I'm praying there is speedy justice in this case.

lane said...

Husband charged with murder in Fairfield woman’s death | BDN Maine | Bangor Daily News
http://bangordailynews.com/2016/09/21/news/mid-maine/husband-charged-with-murder-in-fairfield-womans-death/?ref=mostReadBoxNews

Sept. 21, 2016, at 11:19 a.m.
FAIRFIELD, Maine — A man whom friends described as a disabled Afghanistan war veteran suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder was charged with murder on Wednesday in connection with the death of his wife.

Luc Tieman, 32, of Fairfield was taken into custody about 10 a.m. Wednesday by state police detectives who located him on Kennedy Memorial Drive in Waterville, near a hotel where he had spent the night, Maine Department of Public Safety spokesman Stephen McCausland said.

The body of 34-year-old Valerie Tieman was found Tuesday in a wooded area in Fairfield behind the house at 628 Norridgewock Road that she shared with her husband and his parents, McCausland said in a news release issued Wednesday. She had been missing since Aug. 30. Investigators did not describe her manner of death.

Christian Rowden, a 26-year-old Fairfield man who lived with the couple for almost six months last year, was incredulous at his friend’s arrest. He described Luc Tieman as a gentle, deeply religious Christian who went to several churches, liked to help others and never displayed anger.

Anonymous said...

Becky,

Scumbag abusers are not created in a vacuum. Usually they are surrounded by a whole network and family of enablers, people who are typically just as evil as they are, (although some hide it better to varying degrees). Abusers can oftentimes manipulate police very easily and effectively, especially the sociopathic abuser


\ Abusers are deeply manipulative people who make escaping them very difficult, and even if the victim does escape they will frequently try to keep their tentacles reached out to torment the victim in any way possible, and their family of scumbag enablers/abusers won't say a peep about it. After a victim leaves an abusers, one of the most ironic things is that the abuser then has nothing but time on their hands to think of ways to make the escaped victim's life a living hell. You would be surprised how all the abuser's extra time alone, when they are no longer actively throwing monster hissy-fits around the victim, just wallowing in their own rage alone, allows their already deeply manipulative personality to plot maneuvers to make the escaped victims life as hard as possible. The extra time on their hands allows them to get very creative in tormenting the victim and they become literally diabolical. Abusive men are often like a disease, and the best you can hope for (if you have children with them) is brief periods of remission, because they are often hell-bent on revenge after you leave them in whatever form that revenge might take, financial, emotional abuse, sabotage, threats etc. They don't take well to being left and will use anything as a weapon against the victim including maneuvers surrounding money that can be startling in the level of cruelty. Abusers are cowardly sacks of shit, and yes it is "wrong" to use such language but I really don't care. These cowardly creatures are enabled and coddled by so many, they are also masters of manipulation, while the victims have to stand on their own strength.

lane said...

continued
“He was saying that Val was one of the people who helped him settle down [after his wartime experiences]. He called her his angel. He is not the type of person who you would ever think would do this,” Christian Rowden said Wednesday. “He was one of the kindest guys I have known. He was the type of person I could call at 4 a.m. and he would help out.”

Valerie Tieman was last seen Aug. 30 at Wal-Mart in Skowhegan, McCausland said earlier this month. She was reported missing on Sept. 9 to Fairfield police by her parents, who live out of state, he said. State police joined the investigation on Sept. 13.

Luc Tieman previously told police that he had gone into Wal-Mart on Aug. 30 and that his wife was missing from the truck when he returned a short time later.

When that was reported, Christian Rowden said, “the only thing that was weird to me was that he didn’t want to talk about it.

“That was weird because he usually told me everything. He said he didn’t want to say anything bad about her in case she came back, but then four days later, he told me a weird story that didn’t make any sense,” he added. “He also said that somebody else was in the picture.”

lane said...

continued
Christian Rowden’s mother, Lyn Rowden of Fairfield, described the Tiemans as good family friends. Valerie Tieman, she said, was a hairdresser, a South Carolina native who acted in the Recycled Shakespeare Company of Fairfield, a community theater group run by the Rowden family.

Valerie Tieman also was very religious and generous, Rowden said, and she stood by her husband despite his health problems.

“She was so sweet and kind. She is the kind of person who always wanted you to feel comfortable. If you walked into her house, she would offer you a cup of green tea — a good southern girl with good southern values,” said Emily Rowden Fournier, sister and daughter to the other Rowdens who acted with Valerie Tieman in a Recycled Shakespeare production last spring.

Like her son, Lyn Rowden spoke to Luc Tieman daily since his wife’s disappearance, usually over social media, and did not detect much difference in his demeanor. However, one thing did strike her as strange.

“I couldn’t understand why he hadn’t reported [to police that] she was gone. People have fights and maybe he was taking a break is what I thought. I wasn’t jumping to conclusions,” Lyn Rowden said. “I wasn’t thinking anything bad, and to be honest, I am still not thinking anything bad.

“There has to be some reason. There has to be a reason,” she added, sounding distraught.

Police began searching late Tuesday morning in a wooded area surrounding the Fairfield house where the couple lived, according to McCausland. He would not say what led police to search the property, but he said the body was found 200 to 300 yards into the woods.

An autopsy is underway at the state medical examiner’s office in Augusta, McCausland said Wednesday.

lane said...

continued
The Rowdens said that Luc Tieman occasionally described enduring many harrowing combat experiences in Afghanistan while serving with the U.S. Army. His pain was physical and psychological, they said. Although he was a bodybuilder and liked to work out, sometimes he used a cane and moved with great difficulty.

“I know that he saw combat, lots and lots of combat. I know he saw so many of his buddies killed, like in one fell swoop, bunches of them at once,” Lyn Rowden said. “He was one of those people who really, really saw war. He was engaged in combat more than once. I don’t know how many times. A lot. I know there was killing and all that stuff involved.”

Luc Tieman once described leaving his platoon in a combat situation to fetch ammo and upon returning, finding his comrades dead from a mortar strike, Christian Rowden said.

Luc Tieman offered no resistance when he was arrested Wednesday and was taken to the Kennebec County Jail in Augusta. He is scheduled to make his first court appearance on Friday morning.

Lyn Rowden said she cares about Luc Tieman.

“We still have to pray for Luc. We have to pray for his soul. Some way or another, if he did this, he is in a very disturbed place. And if he didn’t, he is in a disturbed place. His family is in a disturbed place. So are we,” Rowden said. “Everybody’s a victim.”



CORRECTION:

A previous version of this story misidentified the name of the street where Luc Tieman was arrested. Incorrect information was provided by police.

Lis said...

I found an article with a lot of statements the husband made on facebook, ranting and raving defensively and throwing out all kinds of accusations of others. http://awesomejelly.com/luc-tiemans-long-angry-and-chilling-rant-about-missing-wife-says-a-lot/

Is there more that can be learned about what really happened by looking at his statements? I have noticed that there are certain troubled people that I've known that I can reliably know what they are up to by what they accuse others of. Is there anything like that in statement analysis?

Lis said...

"Christian Rowden, a 26-year-old Fairfield man who lived with the couple for almost six months last year, was incredulous at his friend’s arrest. He described Luc Tieman as a gentle, deeply religious Christian who went to several churches, liked to help others and never displayed anger.

Apparently he is not the man some people thought he was. That isn't unusual though, abusers wear masks and people have varying degrees of being able to pick up on that. And when caught, they are very good at turning things around to make themselves look like the victim. :-(

Anonymous said...

Her mother contacted Luc on September 8 via FB asking him to have Valerie call her. His four word response was, "I wish I could."

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said..."I have noticed that there are certain troubled people that I've known that I can reliably know what they are up to by what they accuse others of. Is there anything like that in statement analysis?"

It maybe a form of projection. I always keep in mind, too, that words don't come from a vacuum.

Anonymous said...

That little creep. Liar, murderer, creep. Luc Tieman.

Rabbit said...

Luc Tieman Probable cause:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3113127/Luc-Tieman-Affidavit.pdf